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  Speaker 1: This is the report tonight. Has our culture changed to
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  Speaker 1: Sydney Swans dump five players for the whole finals, putting
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  Speaker 1: team standards and morality above their hopes for a grand Final.
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  Speaker 1: Tanya Plebosek defended Anthony Abnesi's sexism and today paid the
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  Speaker 1: price for her hypocrisy. Also the most embarrassing slip of
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  Speaker 1: the tongue by a politician all year. Anthony Abanese won't
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  Speaker 1: be pleased. But first, before I go through today's political
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  Speaker 1: scandals and the stumbles and the outrage and the clickbait
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  Speaker 1: and all that, we'll do all that, but to something
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  Speaker 1: that is above all this sound and fury. The one
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  Speaker 1: fact that came out today that should make us focus
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  Speaker 1: on what really matters with the direction of this country.
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  Speaker 1: We are in decline. We are getting poorer real wages.
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  Speaker 1: Australian Bureau Statistics today showed real wages have fallen yet again,
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  Speaker 1: this time by zo point six percent over the past year.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I just wonder what sort of future
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  Speaker 1: we are handing to our children. And this really does
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  Speaker 1: worry me. I mean, I've seen the best of Australia,
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  Speaker 1: but it's now getting poorer because we're just not productive enough.
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  Speaker 1: We also make less and less stuff. Manufacturing in decline,
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  Speaker 1: we invent less and less stuff. And if we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have valuable rocks right under our feet, we'd be cactus already.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to show you, in contrast, some very
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  Speaker 1: big news today from China. I know we're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be scared of China. In fact I am scared. But
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  Speaker 1: China won't need its army to dominate us, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: It's technology do that job, and we won't be able
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  Speaker 1: to do a damn thing to resist the US. Today.
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  Speaker 1: It's something the most astrands would have missed or ignored
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  Speaker 1: or just glazed over. China robot maker Unitary surge US
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  Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty nine percent after one point three
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  Speaker 1: billion dollar IPO. So what you may ask, but what
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  Speaker 1: that means is that Chinese investors jumped into bar shares
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  Speaker 1: in a company that's built in the future, China's future
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  Speaker 1: and probably ours. That company's Unitary, and those investors jumping
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  Speaker 1: into his public offering today made it worth six times
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  Speaker 1: its value yesterday. Unitary as a startup, his founder is
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  Speaker 1: just thirty five years old. In fact, China's president singled
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  Speaker 1: him out as the youngest man in the room of
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  Speaker 1: top Chinese business leaders had got together and his company, Unitary,
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  Speaker 1: is a symbol of China rising, a symbol of China
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  Speaker 1: rising while Australia falls. Now before this entrepreneur, er Wan
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  Speaker 1: Jing Jing took his company public. Today his Unitary company
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  Speaker 1: released this video of his lacest invention, a robot that
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  Speaker 1: can jump two meters and run faster than Usain Bolt
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  Speaker 1: ever did. And what's more, it developed this robot over
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  Speaker 1: just three months, which is about the time an Australian
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  Speaker 1: company would need just the file paperwork for a proposal.
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  Speaker 1: Then there are Unitary's other robots or with AI and
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  Speaker 1: other new robots of course by other companies or with
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  Speaker 1: incredible new abilities like this robot Dog Well it's actually
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  Speaker 1: also made by Unitary. Imagine what it could do converted
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  Speaker 1: by China's military into another weapon on the battlefield. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine that chasing you and complete with Chinese drones
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  Speaker 1: in attendance. Other Chinese companies are also building probably our
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  Speaker 1: future as well. How about a car that can also
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  Speaker 1: swim a flooded creek or the yungwang U nine X
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  Speaker 1: electric car built by buyd which is a world record
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  Speaker 1: now just said it for a production model car of
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and ninety six kilometers an hour. That's why
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  Speaker 1: ahead of Burgati or any other competitor, particularly in Europe.
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  Speaker 1: There's just so much to marvel at with Chinese tech.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how about a palm reader, I mean a
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  Speaker 1: machine reader of your palm that lets you pay just
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  Speaker 1: by scanning the palm of your hand. And there's so
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  Speaker 1: much more. I mean, just open tines to just open
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  Speaker 1: the world's highest bridge. It's got the world's fastest bullet
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  Speaker 1: train service, and so on and on. All this from
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  Speaker 1: a country there was dirt poor when I was a boy.
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  Speaker 1: Now what's happened is the real Chinese revolution. And it's
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  Speaker 1: so fast that even Elon Musk, that tech genius, the
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  Speaker 1: world's richest man, he never saw it coming. I mean
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  Speaker 1: fourteen years ago, La Musk laughed at that Chinese car
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  Speaker 1: maker byd.
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  Speaker 2: Warm Buffeto and ten percent staking that. Why do you
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  Speaker 2: last trying to compete?
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  Speaker 3: Why do you last?
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen the car?
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  Speaker 5: You don't see them at all of the competitors.
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  Speaker 3: Why is that?
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  Speaker 6: I mean they offer a lower price point.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they have a great product. Not a
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  Speaker 1: competitor no good products. In fact, today, by d Chinese
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  Speaker 1: is the biggest maker of electric cars in the world,
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  Speaker 1: bigger than Musk Tesla. In July it was the second
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  Speaker 1: biggest supplier of new cars in Australia. Tesla was ninth.
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  Speaker 1: And with all this, you wonder what are we doing
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  Speaker 1: to match here? When you get governments now talking more
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  Speaker 1: about taming AI, controlling it, it's a threat controlling it
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  Speaker 1: rather than exploiting it. What are we doing here with
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  Speaker 1: productivity is so dangerously historically low. So yes, there was
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  Speaker 1: lots of theater and outrage and so on in Canberra today,
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  Speaker 1: but where was the discussion about our future. Here's a
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  Speaker 1: sign of just how far behind we're slipping, and perhaps
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  Speaker 1: why China produces one point three million engineering graduates each year.
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  Speaker 1: Engineers do build the future. The US producers just one
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  Speaker 1: tenth of that, and Australia fewer than twenty two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: And even then, if you think, o, well, that's not
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  Speaker 1: too bad we're small, nearly half of those are actually
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  Speaker 1: from overseas, especially China, because without engineers we're losing even
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  Speaker 1: the ability to make stuff. I'm joined by Professor James Lawrence,
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  Speaker 1: who's an economist as an academic and director of the
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  Speaker 1: Australia China Relations Institute. Has also worked, among many other places,
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  Speaker 1: at China's Shandong University. Professor, Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: your time. I mean, I do this a number of times,
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  Speaker 1: show inventions and engineering feats from China. I'm just thinking,
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  Speaker 1: what are they doing that we're not doing it? First
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  Speaker 1: of all, how real is China's technological revolution?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's absolutely real. All those images or images I've
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  Speaker 5: seen when I've been on the ground over in China.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, let's also be a little bit careful. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: not all of China's rich, not all of China looks
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  Speaker 5: like it's seen from the future. But many of your
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  Speaker 5: audience will have been to China, and no doubt they'll
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  Speaker 5: have been on a section of the fifty thousand kilometers
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  Speaker 5: of high speed rail that China has.
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  Speaker 4: The US has less than a thousand. We've got none.
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  Speaker 5: Chinese AI models rival the best USAI.
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  Speaker 4: Models and so on.
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  Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's certainly real, and perhaps we shouldn't be surprised.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, this is a big country that
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  Speaker 5: has a deep cultural commitment to education and in particularly
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  Speaker 5: to the science, technology and engineering fields. I've heard that
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  Speaker 5: China is a country run by engineers where America is
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  Speaker 5: a country run by lawyers. And that's probably a bit simplistic,
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  Speaker 5: but there's a grain of truth to it.
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  Speaker 1: Now it was so certainly true of our parliament. If
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  Speaker 1: you want to go make that analogy too, well, what
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  Speaker 1: does it mean for us? Though? You know we have
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  Speaker 1: we used to be a manufacturing super but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know economies of scale and all that, but we've got
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  Speaker 1: what is it listened five percent of our economy now
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  Speaker 1: about in a manufacturing we don't produce many engineers, and
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  Speaker 1: we're addicted to you know, degrees that don't seem to
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  Speaker 1: lead to much. What does all this mean for us?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Look, first of all, you know, we shouldn't try to
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  Speaker 5: become like China. I mean, we are good at you
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  Speaker 5: know the things you mentioned, mining and agriculture and all
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  Speaker 5: those things.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's not a bad thing.
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  Speaker 5: The other thing I'd just say is, I don't you know,
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  Speaker 5: we can't compete with China on this. We could, we
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  Speaker 5: could lock China out, we could tear up the China
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  Speaker 5: Australia Free Trade Agreement and we still wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 5: to compete on this stuff because countries like Japan and
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  Speaker 5: Career in Taiwan that'd be able to produce this stuff
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  Speaker 5: cheaper than we can as well.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, some of this stuff is not bad
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  Speaker 4: for Australia.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it does mean we get access to cheap,
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  Speaker 5: high quality, high tech manufactured goods. And also China is
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  Speaker 5: producing so much engineering talent in fact, that it suffers
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  Speaker 5: from a brain drain. And some of China's best engineers
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  Speaker 5: are in fact not working in China, they're actually working
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  Speaker 5: in the US in Australia as well. So this doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have to be a zero sum game.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, I totally agree with you. I mean, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt with the Chinese society is rather stifled, so people
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  Speaker 1: with creativity might think I'm not going to try to
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  Speaker 1: be a journalist or an author, I'll be an engineer
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. I've got all that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I lived in Hong Kong for a while, traveled to
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  Speaker 1: China quite a bit as a foreign correspondent. I got that.
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  Speaker 1: But still technology shapes societies. We're not producing much of
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  Speaker 1: it China. Sure is what is it that China is
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  Speaker 1: doing that we could pick up on that we could
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  Speaker 1: emulate that we learn from.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right, So look, first of all, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: just gratuately bash either side of Australian politics. Right, As
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  Speaker 5: I said before, China just does have.
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  Speaker 4: Some natural advantages.
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  Speaker 5: It's big, it's got a deep cultural commitment to education,
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  Speaker 5: particularly the stem fields. Look, if there was one general takeaway,
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  Speaker 5: I would say, and it's one you actually mentioned in
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  Speaker 5: your introduction, Generally speaking, China does take a pretty light
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  Speaker 5: touch to regulation.
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  Speaker 4: Of its economy.
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  Speaker 5: Now that's kind of ironic, right, because on the one hand,
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  Speaker 5: you have a one party state that has a control
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  Speaker 5: freak element, particularly in the political sphere. But look, when
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  Speaker 5: you go into the economy, it's incredibly competitive, often brutally so,
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  Speaker 5: and firms are more or less allowed just to get
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  Speaker 5: on with the job.
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  Speaker 4: Now that's probably a contrast to what we often see
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  Speaker 4: in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it is in the tech field perhaps, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in other areas of course, the state, state run businesses
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  Speaker 1: are being propped up both you know, central funds and
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So there's inefficiencies there, But
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  Speaker 1: it's that creativity side. And you mentioned our education standards.
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  Speaker 1: As you've been seeing from the passer results and all
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  Speaker 1: that they have been falling and for some time, China's
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  Speaker 1: not bad in those particular fields. Is this something we
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  Speaker 1: should be doing in education?
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  Speaker 4: Then well, look.
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  Speaker 5: I'll leave education policy to the policy experts. But look,
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  Speaker 5: I think this is a cultural issue as well. Andrew,
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  Speaker 5: my son is finishing grade twelve this year and he
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  Speaker 5: never expressed an interest to me in becoming an engineer,
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  Speaker 5: and to be honest, I never pushed him to. So
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  Speaker 5: you know, part of this is probably a cultural challenge
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  Speaker 5: in Australia that we just don't prioritize those fields in
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  Speaker 5: the same way that a country like China does.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely right, James Lawrence, and thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much indeed for your time. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: an insight into the future our children are getting if
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  Speaker 1: we don't smart en up. Anyway. After the break, Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Abernezi still sticks by his very rude Veterans Affairs Minister.
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  Speaker 1: But for how much longer before he drops the anvil
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  Speaker 1: the political panel after this? Just before I move on,
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned this book before. If you're interested in finding
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  Speaker 1: out how and why we've lost that whole technological manufacturing battle,
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  Speaker 1: What on earth has happened to US and why we're
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  Speaker 1: being lapped by China and not just China. Of course
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  Speaker 1: this book here while Australia slipped by academic doctor Dario Tonscic,
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  Speaker 1: while Australia slip excellent, excellent, So I recommend that well,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, today's wages figures, that really should have
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  Speaker 1: been the real story in Cambridge today. I no, economics
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  Speaker 1: doesn't turn people on, but really we are getting poorer
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  Speaker 1: zero point six percent this year alone, poorer, We are
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  Speaker 1: in decline. But Treasurer Jim Chalmer said, sure, but look
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  Speaker 1: at the bright side. Just consider the last few weeks.
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  Speaker 7: Annual headline inflation moderated for the third month in a row,
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  Speaker 7: came in well below the RBA and Treasury forecasts. S
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  Speaker 7: and P Global and Merdy's both reaffirmed Australia's Triple A
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  Speaker 7: credit rating. The Reserve Bank downgrade it's forecast for underlying
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  Speaker 7: inflation and upgraded its forecast for growth. We had a
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  Speaker 7: record low gender pay gap.
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  Speaker 1: Record low gender pay gap. I mean that's fantastic. So
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  Speaker 1: we're getting poorer more equally and that makes all the difference, right.
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  Speaker 1: Johin me is the Political Panel Camera Milner Form wh
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  Speaker 1: chief after labor leader Bill Shorten, now director of g
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  Speaker 1: XO Strategies here into crisis management. I think Australia should
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  Speaker 1: be calling him and Michael cost the former New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales labor treasurer. Michael, how serious is this?
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  Speaker 8: It's extremely serious.
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  Speaker 9: But look there, bad Dad Bob Charmers at it again,
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  Speaker 9: you know, selling his potent and prosperity mate. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: it's just a joke that this guy can get up
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  Speaker 9: there at a time when you've got real wages declining,
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  Speaker 9: inflation still high by anybody's standard, and productivity collapsing, and
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  Speaker 9: trying to spin this as if we're in prosperity and
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  Speaker 9: things are progressing.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, we have got a real problem with this bloke.
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  Speaker 8: He just doesn't understand the fundamentals, and he's got an
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  Speaker 8: ability to try and spin things and a thick hide
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  Speaker 8: where he doesn't take criticism, doesn't hurt him obviously, and
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  Speaker 8: he keeps going on with this stuff. The bottom line
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  Speaker 8: is we're in real trouble and the productivity figure is
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  Speaker 8: the key figure. Real wages going down is not our success.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, somebody ought to tell this bloke he's presiding
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  Speaker 8: over a mess.
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  Speaker 1: It's so strange camera. I mean, this is one of
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  Speaker 1: the most fundamental roles of government, apart from defending the country,
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  Speaker 1: is to make sure people get better off. They looked
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  Speaker 1: after it, we're getting poorer and I see very little
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  Speaker 1: discussion about it. Is so weird, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's terrible.
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  Speaker 10: I mean we've talked about in your program before the
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  Speaker 10: fact that this back a capita recession in Australia, so
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  Speaker 10: Australians have been going backwards anyway. Now we've seen their
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  Speaker 10: house that he is going down as well in the
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  Speaker 10: last last three months, and.
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  Speaker 1: Now real wages as well.
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  Speaker 10: To your point, Michael, I mean, these are fundamental things
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  Speaker 10: that government should be doing and setting the goals for.
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  Speaker 10: And it comes back to productivity, comes back to the
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  Speaker 10: fact that we've got a tax and spend government rather
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  Speaker 10: than government focused on productivity. And that's the real problem
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  Speaker 10: in Canberra right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, Michael, what do we need to
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  Speaker 1: do to get out of this.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, probably changed the government, but that's not likely to
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  Speaker 8: happen in the short term. And that's the other problem
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  Speaker 8: we've got here. We've got, you know, a B grade
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  Speaker 8: Prime minister who is a grade in terms of meaningless
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  Speaker 8: slogan peddling and a bunch of B graders as ministers.
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  Speaker 8: And then to top it off, we've got AD grade opposition.
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  Speaker 8: We're in a mess. The political system is broken at
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  Speaker 8: the moment, and that's fundamentally the problem. You can't get
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  Speaker 8: out of this mess unless you have leadership, and there's
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  Speaker 8: no leadership anywhere. Having said that, I've got to give
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  Speaker 8: credit today to Angus Tyler. I mean he acted as
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  Speaker 8: a statesman by supporting the NDIS changes, you know, to
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  Speaker 8: try and get some of that spending under control. So
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  Speaker 8: that's a plus for him. But you know there's still
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  Speaker 8: a D grade opposition.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you about D grade or maybe F grade
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  Speaker 1: the way he's going Veterans Affairs, mister Matt Keo. Look, Cameron,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is having an absolute shocker. I mean, yesterday
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  Speaker 1: he first refused to meet veterans wanting to talk to
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  Speaker 1: him about new government restrictions on their healthcare. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of stupid saving was that, and then offended
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  Speaker 1: him by being rude when he finally agreed to talk
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  Speaker 1: to them. The government went for him today again and again.
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  Speaker 1: I'll play you a couple of grabs about this because
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  Speaker 1: it was just so humiliating have looked.
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  Speaker 11: Former Air Force fighter jet pilot doctor Tim Nelson spoke
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  Speaker 11: about the minister's behavior in a meeting and I quote, he.
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  Speaker 1: Walked into the room, refused.
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  Speaker 11: To shake up, had sat down with his arms crossed,
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  Speaker 11: and rolled his eyes. Yesterday, the Minister told the House
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  Speaker 11: and I quote, I don't agree with the characterization that
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  Speaker 11: you've just outlined.
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  Speaker 4: Is the Minister calling this veteran a liar.
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  Speaker 12: I meet with many veterans, veteran family members, defense personnel
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  Speaker 12: on a regular basis, and I respect every position that
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  Speaker 12: they put to me in what they did say and describe.
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  Speaker 12: But I also am not in the habit of repeating
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  Speaker 12: the content and detail of all of those conversations and
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  Speaker 12: meetings in the Parliament every day. And I provided the
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  Speaker 12: answer that I provided yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Why won't the Prime Minister sack this incompetent and disrespectful minister.
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  Speaker 11: I have every confidence in the Minister for Veterans.
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  Speaker 1: Cameron ALBINIZI hasn't fared a minister in four years. Should
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  Speaker 1: he start now? Well, I don't think he's about the
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  Speaker 1: start now.
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  Speaker 10: I mean Albo is the stonewall champion in terms of
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  Speaker 10: a fast standing up for a whole range of mistakes
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  Speaker 10: his government makes, not least.
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  Speaker 1: His own, not least his own. I think that the
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  Speaker 1: core here is this.
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  Speaker 10: Terrible thing our andrew that with means testing veterans for
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  Speaker 10: Allied healthcare, I mean, for goodness sake, I mean that's
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  Speaker 10: not the place to find savings. I mean there's so
• 18:16
  Speaker 10: much waste in this labor government, so much spending. Now
• 18:19
  Speaker 10: millionaires get assistance on housing like this under Albanies with
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  Speaker 10: no means testing, and yet we're going to do over
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  Speaker 10: veterans for a five thousand dollars cap. The real problem
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  Speaker 10: here isn't about a meeting or otherwise. It's about the
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  Speaker 10: veterans shouldn't have their Allied healthcare capped by this governor.
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  Speaker 10: If they've served our nation, then we need to serve
• 18:37
  Speaker 10: them well by giving them free ourt healthcare.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Michael, by not sacking any minister in four years, including
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: ones that bungled immigration stuff, you remember all that, the economy,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the way it's going, the fact that housing targets are
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: not met, all that kind of stuff. No one sacked that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Alb has shacked himself for being as Texas pratt in offers.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: But should he start now, I mean, is it showing
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: that this government doesn't have standards?
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: Well, I think that's true, but he's not, as Cameron said,
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: he's not going to sack anybody.
• 19:14
  Speaker 13: And remember, while we're in this position, Andrew, they're chasing
• 19:17
  Speaker 13: five thousand dollars of veterans that need that support because
• 19:22
  Speaker 13: they're budget's out of control and they won't find real
• 19:25
  Speaker 13: savings with all of those departments, particularly the climate change one,
• 19:29
  Speaker 13: that are full of public servants on massive salaries.
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: So they've got to change the veterans. This is extremely serious.
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: We've already got a defense department that's under pressure, lax morale,
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: its equipment is second rate. You've got to dope as
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: the defense industry minister. You know, you saw his views
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: on mensies and everything else. I mean, he's an ex
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: Elbow staffer and left wing, a union official with the
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: metal workers union. He's got no clue. The only guy
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: that there has got hard a clue is Richard Miles.
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: But he's peace strategies that basically, you know, reposition our
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: strategic position every time we fail in our defense procurement
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: or our defense strategy. So we've got a real mess
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: in this area, and if ourbo's not prepared to do anything,
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: there's not going to be prepared to do anything anywhere.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, we've got so few drone defenses that drones
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: regularly buzz lef bases and the message to these, to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the servicemen inside is just draw the blinds. I mean,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: it's just why on earth is this country? Labor prides itself, Cameron,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: on a superior spin and let's be let's declare you
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: know that you are a form of spin merchant yourself.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: That's one of Labor's skills. Brilliantly charge really a charge.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: But recently I got to say, Cameron, since you left obviously,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: since you left it too often it's sounded to me
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: like it sounded to me like lies. For instance, Treasure
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Charmers has sent voters to text it's Jim Chalmers here,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Andrew Bragg, the opposition to housing spokesman is referring to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: wants to scrap your super and Pauling Hanson's backing him,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: which had Handsome shooting back. It's Pauling Handsome here. Jim
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Chalmers is full of shi t One nation doesn't support
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: scrapping super. We just think people should be able to
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: use this super winning financial distress instead of losing their own. Now,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Hanson shouldn't have used that language, can you know me?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: You know, Butter wouldn't melt in my mouth. But doing so,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I think means she's probably walked away with a win
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: here against charmers that she wouldn't have if she just
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: called them alaya.
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: Well, and I think One Nation's on a winner on
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: the Suprehnoation stuff as it happens as well. I mean,
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: I think I think people don't feel any in emotional
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: connection to the suprehnoation and they're living through a huge
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: cost of living crisis. You know, young people can't find
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: a home, but they get their super locked away for
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: forty five fifty years. I mean, so, No, I think
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: One Nation we're onto a winner here in terms of
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: that side of things. And the problem for Suprenoation is
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: if it's a gym charmer's text message, which is your
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: own defense, then you're in real trouble.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Michael, do you think that superannuation
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: debate the labor's really gunning for it is actually a
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: winner for them?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 22:14
  Speaker 14: Look, I mean I doubt that. Jim Chalmers even knew
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: that text message went out. I reckon that's gone from
• 22:19
  Speaker 14: head offers. But it shows you what these clowns think
• 22:24
  Speaker 14: the sort of hot button issues. Look, the bottom line
• 22:26
  Speaker 14: with Super is remember who started this, and it was
• 22:29
  Speaker 14: labor by claiming that Super wasn't a personal asset, it
• 22:33
  Speaker 14: was a national asset.
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: Now I'd be horrified if I was in an industry fund.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: They're already mismanaged as we know because of the governance structure,
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: and these people now think that it's their money, not
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: your money. So I think one nation's got real legs
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: on this one. And remember we've had some failures in
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: this industry just recently where people have lost enormous amounts
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: of money. So you know, I think she's on a
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: winner with this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of la Hanson publy hands, seems we've gone
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: in the head of workplacements. The Amanda Rishworth today with
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the far of the Lyre campaign against the prime ministers
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: because listen to Rishworth.
• 23:09
  Speaker 15: Of course, this government closed the labor liar loophole, which
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: meant that the many people doing the same chop, okay,
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: I'll do it again, order the labor higher loophole, a
• 23:24
  Speaker 15: labor higher loophole with our same top.
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: Do you know where I'm going?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It's not coming out from that camera and is there
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: unless Rishworth really was announcing Albani's had been sacked and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the labor liar loophole had been closed. Have you heard
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: worse verbal slips in your time?
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: That There have been many verbal slips in parliam but
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: this is a pretty bad one. I mean, I like
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: a matter a lot, but clearly Pauline's living rent free
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: and ad.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: It's true. Michael Cossa camera miller, thank you very much
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to you both. After the break ten year place pays
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: for defending the Prime Minister's secon This is a growndine
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: coming up. There were people who were saying, oh, Anthony
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Albanese is smutty joking on the Bush Deep podcast. It
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't such a big deal. But I'll tell you what today,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Minister Tenure plupsec learned the cost. Plivisec is the first
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of Anthony Albanese's twelve Angels to now pay the price
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: for being a feminist sellout defending their sexist male boss
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: rather than fighting for women. Plubisec. When I say twelve angels,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: she's one of the record twelve women in Albanese's cabinet
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to prove it's so feminist, and today Plemasec shamelessly decided
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to post about men and boys allegedly acting badly to women,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: she said, in less than seven days and all boys
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: school and one of the nation's most influential sporting clubs
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: have been at the center of concerning sexual assault allegations.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Now it is true that these allegations against three young
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: teenagers from Scott's College in Sydney, they're very troubling, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: those against five players from the Sydney Swans even more
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: so given they involve adults. And now, of course, in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the Sydney Swan's case, Channel sevens reporting also the use
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of drugs drugs found in their hotel room. But be clear,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Cleverasek was attacking the people around these boys and around
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: these men for not speaking up more clearly saying the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: responses to these allegations have fallen alarmingly short. They chose
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the language that was passive and it's sculpatory. Well, in fact,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I have to say that Swans management acted firmly, especially today,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: acting all five players, including two of the superstars, for
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. For breaking team rules, for
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: suspending through the whole final series, and that's before police
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: have finished deciding they must face criminal charges as well.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: One of the women has now statement with police. Now
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that is a massive call for a club in second
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: place and that did have a chance until now of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: winning the premiership.
• 26:09
  Speaker 16: Our players Riley Biss, Nick Lakey, Isaac Haney, James Jordan
• 26:14
  Speaker 16: and Chad Warner will now not be considered for selection
• 26:18
  Speaker 16: for the remainder of the twenty twenty six AFL season,
• 26:20
  Speaker 16: and that's including the final series. We're deeply embarrassed and
• 26:24
  Speaker 16: ashamed that our poor choices, or the poor choices of
• 26:27
  Speaker 16: five of our players, and the impact that's had on
• 26:31
  Speaker 16: the women involved and also the club, our supporters and
• 26:34
  Speaker 16: so many other people.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: That I should stress of the club's acting on the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: charges not involving the police investigation, which must be allowed
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to run its own course, and we won't comment on that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: But if that remorse from that club and that kind
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of action, if that's not good enough for Plymoucy, then
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: she's got extremely high standards for saying what needs saying
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: about men mistreating women. Allegedly, Tenure Plevasek with a very
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: very high standards were missing when the spotlight was on Labor,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and specifically on Anthony Albanezi, her boss. That's when Albany's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: was filmed agreeing they did like to shag singer Kylie
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Minogue rather than actresses Ronda Birchmore and Nicole Kiinman. He
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: was given an option picked one. Plivasek then didn't call
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: out this very crude sexual objectification of three women. She
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: has said pretended Albany's merely commented on Minogue's singing.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: If what the Prime Minister's saying is that he's a
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: fan of Kylie Minogue, I guess that puts him in
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: a minions of other Australians, including me.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And then when Albaneze was filmed sniggering at the melons
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of Japan's female Prime minister, Plima Sec didn't call that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: out either. In fact, she told us we didn't see
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: what you just saw it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Yet again a completely unnecessary interpretation of what the Prime
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Minister said.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And these are examples, and I could go on of
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Labor treating women badly, and each time plipsc said nothing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: But now she finds her voice when the topic is
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a private school and three young teenagers, none of them
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a labor politician or when they are footballers. How brave tenure,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: how principled? How did you put it today? You know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the responses to these allegations have fallen alarmingly short. Those
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: in charge should choose language, you know. They chose language
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that was passive and exculpatory. Whereas Tanya Plipuset what did
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: she do with Albanisia? I mean, godly, gosh, Tanya, why
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: not now say the same stuff again? But to the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: prime minister who left you open to the ridicule, I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: giving you now, by the way, once again we see
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: that Russia to judgment. I've got a warm people. Police
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: haven't even yet charged the Sydney players with anything. We
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: have some on the left, including an Albany's he government
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Minnesota I heard today on this station already calling them guilty,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and that is so wrong. We do not know what happened.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: We don't even know what's allegedly happened, although there's the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Herald Sun reports involves the players hiring lap dancers, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: we don't know what, if anything, the players are actually
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: guilty of. The police could be investigating. In fact, at
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: least one player was saying at first that he wasn't
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: even involved. It is a Minnesota already throwing away the key.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Why are Australians so quick to forget that old maxim
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you are innocent until proven guilty? Joining me is Rondine,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Spectator Australia, hosts of Outsiders
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: every Sunday at nine am, host of his own show
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on Friday's at seven pm, and now and then we's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: got spare time. He slums it right here, Rowan, thank
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you for your time. Tanya Plivsek posting attacks on the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Sydney Swans and Scott's College. You know, the adults there
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: for supposedly not speaking up clearly when women they're allegedly wrong.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Were you cheering that you think fair enough? Go you
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: good thing?
• 30:11
  Speaker 17: Andrew I said a week ago, I never want to
• 30:14
  Speaker 17: hear from these labor women ever again on anything to
• 30:17
  Speaker 17: do with men behaving badly or male male treatment of
• 30:22
  Speaker 17: women or whatever. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. Here we are
• 30:26
  Speaker 17: only a week later and Tanya Plubise's back up on
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: her high horse. Let's not forget we heard nothing. I
• 30:32
  Speaker 17: don't think we heard anything from Tanya plib sc about
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: the ABC's disgusting sodomy rape murder call. It was satire
• 30:43
  Speaker 17: apparently of Gina Ryan Hart. I don't think Tania plebisc
• 30:47
  Speaker 17: had anything to say then with the melons and all
• 30:49
  Speaker 17: the rest where the Prime Minister was disrespecting not only
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: a woman, but the female Prime minister of Japan. As
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: you said, she made excuses. Now part of what she
• 31:00
  Speaker 17: said today, Andrew, I think she should. We could turn
• 31:03
  Speaker 17: right back in her face. She said on that same
• 31:05
  Speaker 17: Facebook post that you were talking about. She said, talking
• 31:08
  Speaker 17: about Scott's College and about the Swan's football club. She said,
• 31:12
  Speaker 17: each had a chance to show leadership. Well, so did
• 31:16
  Speaker 17: you you chance to show leadership and you didn't. You failed,
• 31:21
  Speaker 17: as did your colleagues, Katie Gallagher, Claire O'Neil, the rest
• 31:25
  Speaker 17: of them. You failed that leadership test. She also said
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: on that same post, Andrew, schools and sporting clubs are
• 31:30
  Speaker 17: two of the most important places boys learn their values.
• 31:36
  Speaker 17: So what boys don't learn their values from the prime
• 31:38
  Speaker 17: minister of the country, don't they is does the Prime
• 31:41
  Speaker 17: Minister have no role in setting the moral standards teaching
• 31:45
  Speaker 17: the boys of this country how to treat women? So
• 31:47
  Speaker 17: every schoolboy from now on, according to the Plibaseca line
• 31:51
  Speaker 17: of approach, can wander around do juggling melons gags in
• 31:54
  Speaker 17: front of the teachers and fellow school classmates because there's
• 31:58
  Speaker 17: nothing wrong with that. According Tania Plibusek, she also says,
• 32:01
  Speaker 17: more focused on reputation than their responsibilities. Well, Tanya, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: would argue that you were way more focused on the
• 32:09
  Speaker 17: Prime Minister's reputation than his responsibilities, and that you too
• 32:14
  Speaker 17: have thus fostered reinforced a culture of disrespect, and this
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: from people in positions of power who gloss over allegations
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: every word of that disgraceful post. Pretty much, Andrew, you
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: can turn around and shove straight back at Tanya Plivasek
• 32:31
  Speaker 17: and the rest of those labor women for their absolute
• 32:34
  Speaker 17: failure on both counts. On the Gena Reinhardt ABC, which
• 32:38
  Speaker 17: was sodomy, violence, disembowelling, murder, rape you name it to
• 32:45
  Speaker 17: a prominent living Australian woman and the Prime Minister's ridiculous
• 32:51
  Speaker 17: melon's jokes to the female Prime Minister of Japan. The
• 32:54
  Speaker 17: hypocrisy is off the charts. These people are such hypocrites
• 32:59
  Speaker 17: and they don't even seen.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: So true but I got to defend Tanya. I think
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you are unfair. You said she put a responsibility ahead
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of you know, giving leadership on this issue. No, she
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: put a career ahead, right, she doesn't want to be sacked.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's even grubby. Oh my goodness, but look,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I think I think this is you know, like to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the people that were saying it was much to do
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: about nothing, the whole Melon's thing, and I said that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: at the time. I mean, you know, our relationship with China,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: with Japan is not nothing. But also that the damage
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that Albanize has done to his government that we here
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: now can have a lot of fun at Tenia plebiss
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: expense and every bit she deserves for the hypocrisy that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: he made her and the other female ministers sacrificed the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: reputation to defend him. And so really it is important
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: what he did and then failed to fess up to.
• 33:58
  Speaker 17: Absolutely. And as I said before, I mean every schoolboy,
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: every school boy pulls those sorts of pranks and to
• 34:04
  Speaker 17: makes jokes and does whatever. Well every one of them
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: now can do that with impunity and simply say no, no, no.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: When I speak, I don't.
• 34:12
  Speaker 17: Cross my arms. I use my hands, I do gestures.
• 34:16
  Speaker 17: I was only you know, there's nothing I said that
• 34:18
  Speaker 17: was incorrect. He's given permission, and so is Tanya Plubisek,
• 34:22
  Speaker 17: and so is Katie Gallagher, and so is Claire and
• 34:25
  Speaker 17: O'Neill and the rest of them. They have given permission
• 34:27
  Speaker 17: to every schoolboy in the land to mock every schoolgirl,
• 34:33
  Speaker 17: to do with breasts or their figure or anything. That's
• 34:35
  Speaker 17: the caliber of the Labor Party, that's the caliber of
• 34:39
  Speaker 17: prime minister we have. So cowardly they set the example
• 34:44
  Speaker 17: and then they run away from it, rather than saying, actually,
• 34:46
  Speaker 17: what I did was wrong. I shouldn't have done that,
• 34:49
  Speaker 17: and explain to every boy in the country, I am
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: your prime minister, I am your leader.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I set to example.
• 34:55
  Speaker 17: What I did was silly, it was wrong, and I
• 34:58
  Speaker 17: apologize to the Prime Minister of Japan and any other
• 35:01
  Speaker 17: girl for that performance that I did, and it was
• 35:05
  Speaker 17: wrong of me. That's what a true leader would do.
• 35:08
  Speaker 17: Anthony Elby not a true leader, nor are they. A
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: group of women around him are a disgrace to womanhood.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Rowan, I would not have thought that in my lifetime.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: To call someone you're looking very prime ministerial would be
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a term of utter abuse. Three years ago where your
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Spectator Australian magazine, Fine magazine. I subscribe to it. I
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: urge other people to do the same. It published an
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: article praising New South Wales Supreme Court Justice Desmond Fagan
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: for calling out passages in the Qur'an preaching violence and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: at least against Jews. He angered Muslim groups, especially by
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: saying that muslim should publicly reject those verses. If Australian follows,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: he said of the religion, including those of professed deep knowledge,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: were to make a clear public disavowal of these verses
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: as not authoritative instructions from Allah, then the terrorist moral
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: conviction might be weakened. But funnily enough, that same judge
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: is now in afar from Jewish groups and not just them,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: for rejecting a new definition of antisemitism has increasingly adopted.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: He says it's too broad because he reckons it includes
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: criticism of Israel, which is different, and that's angered a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: lot of people. You know. He says Israel has angered
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of people for its actions. He says it
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: might be reasonably be inferred that the results of polling
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Australian respondents reflect humanitarian reaction to Israel's genocide of the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Gazas since October seventh, twenty twenty three. Is this judge
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: still the hero of the Spectator for falsely claiming there's
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a genocide?
• 36:42
  Speaker 17: Andrew takes more than one article in the Spectator to
• 36:44
  Speaker 17: be a hero that seven years ago, and seven years
• 36:51
  Speaker 17: ago is a long time, clearly in Australian politics.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: It was twenty nineteen, and the article's.
• 36:56
  Speaker 17: Written by Lawrence W. Mayer, who's a very well respected,
• 36:59
  Speaker 17: highly respected legal mind in his own right. And in fact,
• 37:03
  Speaker 17: I'm glad you brought my attention back to that article
• 37:06
  Speaker 17: because that article should itself be in front of the
• 37:08
  Speaker 17: Royal Commission today. Virginia Bell should be looking back at
• 37:13
  Speaker 17: the comments that Justice Kagan made in that case good
• 37:19
  Speaker 17: and they're so relevant because basically it's too deep to
• 37:22
  Speaker 17: go into at length. But basically he was saying precisely
• 37:26
  Speaker 17: what Pauline Hanson, the issue that Pauline Hanson raised not
• 37:30
  Speaker 17: long ago about the relationship between the Quran terrorism and
• 37:35
  Speaker 17: whether taking passages literally and whether someone who commits a
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  Speaker 17: terrorist act or whatever can fall back on those comments,
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  Speaker 17: very very very critical comments.
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  Speaker 1: You make a very good point that is all. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but no, what the Royal Commission is not digging deep
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  Speaker 1: into absolutely correct, Rowan well spotted and turned it back
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  Speaker 1: on me. Thank you so much for your time. No,
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't thank you for that. Thank you very much though. Anyway,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: after the break the Sydney Swan scandal, I just wonder
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  Speaker 1: now from the reaction, is the boys culture finally over?
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  Speaker 1: Jemma and Caroline after this it's what my wife says
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  Speaker 1: is probably her favorite panel gem on any economists and
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  Speaker 1: communications consultant carolind Russo, commentator and President of the West
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  Speaker 1: Australian Liberals. Jemma just on the Sydney Swan scandalt's start
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  Speaker 1: with that the club acxing five players who allegedly broke
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  Speaker 1: team rules after a game in Melbourne, staying up seemingly
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  Speaker 1: all night. Now reports of drugs being found, reports on
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Channel seven etc. Some at least taking women to their
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: rooms for lap dancers. Now leave aside any allegation of
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: what happened after that. They are out for the season
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  Speaker 1: for the finals, probably cost their club a premiership. That
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: tells me that there's a real change and how such
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  Speaker 1: things dealt with these days? Or am I seeing too
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  Speaker 1: much into this.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely not.
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  Speaker 18: And firstly, your wife has impeccable taste.
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  Speaker 2: Just let me say here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're not seeing too much in this at all.
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  Speaker 18: What has been really striking to me about the response
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  Speaker 18: from the Swans is that it clearly demonstrates that this
• 39:26
  Speaker 18: is neither convenient nor expedient. This is a costly decision.
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  Speaker 18: It's the right decision. Nobody can point the finger at
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  Speaker 18: them and say, oh, look it's token ism. As you've said,
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  Speaker 18: they've torpedoed their season. They may well have cost themselves
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  Speaker 18: a premiership. These are not just B grade players from
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: what I understand. I'm not super deep in the player
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  Speaker 18: rotation of the Sydney Swans, but I know they're a
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: great team. I know they're a contender, and this just
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: demonstrates that they are responding in a way that meets expectations,
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  Speaker 18: and that is not to tokenism.
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  Speaker 2: If, for example, for example, they.
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  Speaker 18: Had have come out and said, oh, look they're going
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  Speaker 18: to have a suspended suspension. You know they're out for
• 40:08
  Speaker 18: six months, but it doesn't start till January sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's going to buy that anymore. And I don't.
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  Speaker 18: Respectfully think that that club, from what I know of
• 40:16
  Speaker 18: that club, that's not who they are at all.
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  Speaker 2: This is a costly decision and it is a reminder.
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  Speaker 2: It is a reminder to.
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  Speaker 18: Anyone who has the privilege of being paid millions of
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  Speaker 18: bucks or a million bucks or whatever for kicking balls
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  Speaker 18: around fields or being on television or doing all of
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  Speaker 18: those sorts of things, that the price of leadership is accountability.
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  Speaker 18: It's a lesson our government should learn, which is a
• 40:38
  Speaker 18: different subject, but the price of leadership is accountability. The
• 40:42
  Speaker 18: price of privilege is accountability. Is a privilege to be
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: a professional sportsperson in this country. And I just commend
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: the Swans for the way that they responded today. It
• 40:53
  Speaker 18: was decisive and it left absolutely no doubt about where their.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Priorities.
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  Speaker 6: Caroline Well, the club has dealt with and I genuinely
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: agree with what GEMM has had to say.
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  Speaker 2: The club has dealt with the bit.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: That it can deal with. So my understanding is the
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: coach became aware of all of this the hours of
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Monday morning, early Monday morning, and the board handed down
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: its sanctions on Wednesday morning.
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  Speaker 2: That's forty eight hours that.
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  Speaker 6: There is I think far quicker than we have seen
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  Speaker 6: in the past. It shows a professionalism I think of
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: the club, and I'm a West Coast Eagle supporter. I
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: remember the bad old days of two thousand and six,
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: and I tell you there's no club in the league
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: that would manage their players and their playlists like that today.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: So we know that there is still an investigation being
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: undertaken by Victorian police. That is separate and that is
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: not something that the club can deal with at the moment.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: But as far as the players obviously really letting down
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: the rest of their teammates, the supporters and every one
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: else who works tirelessly at that club to get them
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: into the finals, the board and the senior management has
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: said what isn't isn't acceptable, and I think it's very
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: very clear and probably one of the better examples that
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: we've seen ever I think in the sport.
• 42:17
  Speaker 18: Can I just Andrew just coming up around the back
• 42:20
  Speaker 18: of carov The club has said values and behaviors are
• 42:25
  Speaker 18: more important than a premiership.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: That's what they've said.
• 42:28
  Speaker 18: You cannot interpret their acts in any other way.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Look, I do agree with you, but Devil's Advocate players
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: would at least in the past would have said, we're here,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you know, we're being paid to kick a ball, not
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: be moral leaders. Go and find your moral leaders somewhere else.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of responsibility on guys.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Will Well, then don't take the money, take the money
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: and go do another job.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I think it's a different I think it's
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: a different point, Andrew, because when you're talking about something
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: that is become so heavily professional, and there are so
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: many people who rely on those players to do the
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: right thing. They are staying at the Pullman, which is
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: across the road from the MCG. They only had to
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: get from the football ground to the hotel without doing
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: something stupid, and they couldn't manage to do that a
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: week out from the finals, Andrew, And that is unacceptable.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: You were letting everyone else down.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: And you cannot have a team operating at a professional
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: and a very high level when you've got a couple
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: of people going fair all right before the finals.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I just cannot believe how stupid you could be and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: so irresponsible, I tell you what, particularly now that they've
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: probably cost their team a Grand Final. Every player that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: worked for that is their big dream, or every other
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: player on the team is going to look at those
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: guys and think you it's going to be poisonous. Poisonous now,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I must say, by the way, the Faith players have
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: issued a public apology saying we are deeply so to
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: everyone involved. Yeah, of course they are. Now that have
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: been caught. We now know that our behavior has fallen
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: well short of the standards expected of us and the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: values of our club. We know that we've let down
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: our partners and families. Feeling sorry for the partners here,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I've got to say, member, supporters, teammates, see the AFW,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: afl W team, corporate partners, and everyone at the club
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and in the bider community. What'd you make of that apology?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Gemma, Well, it was expected.
• 44:24
  Speaker 18: It was pretty much paid by numbers, possibly written by
• 44:27
  Speaker 18: chat GPT.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 18: I mean I wouldn't have expected anything else of any
• 44:31
  Speaker 18: other nature at this time, given the way that the
• 44:34
  Speaker 18: situation has progressed. As Cara said during a very short
• 44:37
  Speaker 18: forty eight hours. I mean, yes, you're right, Andrew in
• 44:42
  Speaker 18: the sense that you know there's this moral aspect of it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 18: But this is again I come back to the price
• 44:46
  Speaker 18: of leadership. That's why they get the big dollars that's why,
• 44:49
  Speaker 18: you know, playing AFL, how many little boys and now
• 44:52
  Speaker 18: women dream of playing AFL for a living, like the
• 44:57
  Speaker 18: privilege of doing that, And it's and if you struggle
• 45:00
  Speaker 18: like that behavior and put it into corporate life, like
• 45:02
  Speaker 18: show me someone who would keep their job.
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  Speaker 1: Well, absolutely true, Caroline. The thing is too you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: even there cannot be to this story a sort of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you know, gallant little we've picked ourselves up from the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: being knockdown story where they're remaining team members, they band
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: together and they go ahead and without their superstars. A
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: couple of them are in the top three players. I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: think three of them probably are in the certainly in
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the top ten. This is a real serious loss. So
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they go win the Grand Final and spart all that
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: they're going to get booed rotten even if they do win.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: This is one where there's just no redemption.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure that that there is necessarily fair or
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: necessarily the case. And I don't think personally that what
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: has occurred is a systemic or endemic cultural issue within
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: the rest of the club.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: And I think that actually there'd be a lot of.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: People who'd have a lot of empathy for those other
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: players who have done the right thing, who have worked
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: hard and who managed to get from the football ground
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: to the hotel without doing something stupid. So I don't
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: think necessarily that that is the case, because people know
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: how hard players work, over sometimes the entire course of
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: their life to be able to get there.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a couple of people who have
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: done something stupid.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: But I think the club has been very clear that
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: it's not acceptable and it's not its values, and I
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: think that that action has probably shielded the other players
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: from the rampant stupidity of a few.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: You could be right, We shall see should that miracle
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: will ever happen. Can you plibisek Gemma criticizing the club?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: And also you know the parents. I don't know who
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: specifically she was criticizing around Scott's College, but a bit rich.
• 47:01
  Speaker 18: Do you think I'm going to borrow a phrase if
• 47:03
  Speaker 18: I'm May Andrew, I refuse to be lectured about anything
• 47:06
  Speaker 18: to do with the behavior of men towards women by
• 47:09
  Speaker 18: that person who is so shamefully selective in her outrage
• 47:15
  Speaker 18: that it is an embarrassment to the government. Where were you, Tanya?
• 47:20
  Speaker 18: Life moves pretty quickly, doesn't it? When you can't defend
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: the Japanese Prime Minister. You can't advocate for Kylie Mino.
• 47:27
  Speaker 18: Very happy for Carlie Minogue to be sexualized and objectified.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: You are not.
• 47:31
  Speaker 18: You don't have the stones, Minister Frankly, to call out
• 47:35
  Speaker 18: your boss, the Prime Minister, for his lud and inappropriate
• 47:39
  Speaker 18: behavior that the whole rest of the world saw for
• 47:42
  Speaker 18: what it was. I refuse to be lectured on anything
• 47:45
  Speaker 18: to do with feminism and women by the women of
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: the current labor government. They have no standing, they have
• 47:51
  Speaker 18: no credibility. I won't have it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: But who do you blame here, though, Caroline? Do you
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: blame Tenure Plivacy for being the hypocrite or do you
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: blame Anthony Albanesi for destroying her reputation and turning her
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: into one?
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: Oh look, ah, look, Tanya did this all on her own.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: Tanya did this all on her own. Look, she's an
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: ad on the Albanesi is responsible for his own behavior.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: But Tanya decided that it was okay and it's only
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: bad when other people do it. And this is ultimately
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: this is ultimately the issue here. She is a hypocrite,
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: but I think she knows she's a hypocrite. And I
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: don't think she cares, and that there is what absolutely
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: infiates credibility on the issue.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: She may well care now, I think, given too Nini
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: carent arresta thank you very much for you both. Up
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: next there's Sharry Marxon. Good note,