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Birds Weekly: "Not A Bye Week" For Philadelphia Eagles EVP Howie Roseman · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We are back up and running on the latest edition
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  Speaker 1: of Birds Weekly, presented by the Inside the Birds Network.
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  Speaker 1: For Ray Dittinger, I'm Derek Gunn and Eagles are coming
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  Speaker 1: out of their bye week and it's time to get
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  Speaker 1: back to work for a rigorous schedule that lies ahead.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't stay idle over there by, did they?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, Howie Roseman being Howie Roseman, My goodness,
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  Speaker 1: it all starts. He goes out and get a cornerback
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  Speaker 1: and Michael Carter. Then over the weekend he decides to
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  Speaker 1: add another corner and he picks up JayR Alexander from Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, just Monday morning, word spread
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  Speaker 1: spreads rapidly that he also has added a edge rusher
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  Speaker 1: in in Jalen Phillips and and Ray we know how
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  Speaker 1: he is not one to sit still, But all I
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  Speaker 1: can say is wow in terms of how he's adding
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  Speaker 1: defensive help to get ready for the has nine games
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  Speaker 1: of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, it might have been a bye
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  Speaker 2: week for everybody else, but it wasn't a bye week
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  Speaker 2: for the general manager was.
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  Speaker 3: He was hard at work, as he always is.
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  Speaker 2: And that's one of the things about Howie I mean
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  Speaker 2: he's you know, he's never a guy that just sort
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  Speaker 2: of sits back and says we're good, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's always scanning the board. He's always looking around the
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  Speaker 2: leg to see if there's somebody out there that could
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  Speaker 2: come in and help in a particular area. And look,
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  Speaker 2: I think we talked about it. Everybody talked about it,
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  Speaker 2: that this team they needed help at that other corner.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, it's been true from week one. Heck has been.
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  Speaker 2: True since the summer, to be honest with you. And
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  Speaker 2: the thing that has been another problem is getting consistent
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  Speaker 2: pass rush. Finding a pass rush off the edges just
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  Speaker 2: hasn't has not been there. And so okay, he addressed
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  Speaker 2: both of them right now.
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  Speaker 3: And I know.
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  Speaker 2: There was the pie in the sky conversation about Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: I know there was the pie in the sky conversation
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  Speaker 2: about Trey Hendrickson. Who are elite players at the pass
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  Speaker 2: rush position. But you and I talked about it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't going to happen. I mean the price, the
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  Speaker 2: price that you were going to be I mean you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about two first rounders, three first rounders.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: But the need was still real, and so how he
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  Speaker 2: went out and you know, and made the deal for
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips, who's a former first round draft pick of
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  Speaker 2: the Dolphins and a guy who has shown when he's
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  Speaker 2: been healthy that he is a very good pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: And now the Eagles bring him in here and add
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  Speaker 2: him to the mix with the return of Brandon Graham
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully you're you're a better team now going into
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  Speaker 2: the second half of the year than you were two
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Phillips sixty five two hundred and sixty five pounds. He
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  Speaker 1: has three sacks this year, twenty five tackles. Ray, You're right,
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  Speaker 1: coming off it edge. He will definitely be an upgrade
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  Speaker 1: if he can stay healthy. But go back a few years.
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  Speaker 1: You did a scouting report on him the year he
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  Speaker 1: came out of college, And what did your scouting report
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  Speaker 1: tell you about him?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I went back and I save all of these
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  Speaker 2: things I know you do, and they come in handy.
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  Speaker 3: I went back and I still had my twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: one notes when he came.
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  Speaker 2: Out, and I had him as my number two pass
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  Speaker 2: rusher in that entire draft. I had Greg Gregory Rousseau
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  Speaker 2: was my number one, but I had Phelips with my
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  Speaker 2: number two. And even then, even then, the only question
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  Speaker 2: about him was was the injury factor?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had, he had had.
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  Speaker 2: He had started his college career at UCLA, finished up
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  Speaker 2: at Miami and had a broken wrist.
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  Speaker 3: He had a knee injury. He had.
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  Speaker 2: This was I had forgotten this until I went back
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  Speaker 2: and reread my notes. But he had multiple multiple concussions
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  Speaker 2: when he was at UCLA, to the point where the
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  Speaker 2: doctors who examined him urged him to not play football anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's now, that's going back to UCLA, and he said, no,
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  Speaker 2: I want to keep playing. And he did keep playing,
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  Speaker 2: transferred to Miami, played very well and worked his way
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  Speaker 2: up to where he was the eighteenth overall.
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  Speaker 3: Pick in that draft. Coming out, I mean an elite player.
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  Speaker 2: And if you look back, and I went back to
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  Speaker 2: my notes from the Combine workout, here's a guy who's
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  Speaker 2: sixty five two hundred and sixty pounds ran a four
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  Speaker 2: five with a thirty six inch vertical.
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  Speaker 3: I mean a rare athlete, without question.
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  Speaker 2: But then he came into the NFL and the injury
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  Speaker 2: problems continued. Knee injury tourn Achilles. It's been when he's
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  Speaker 2: been able to play, and when he's been healthy, he's
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  Speaker 2: been a productive player and a very good pass rusher
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of natural skills, learned how to use
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  Speaker 2: his hands. Is extremely quick off the edge, but is
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  Speaker 2: actually very effective slanting inside on loops and stunts. If
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  Speaker 2: you can get him looping inside and a guy with
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  Speaker 2: his athletic ability matched up on like an interior lineman,
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  Speaker 2: he'll win that all the time. And that's how he's
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  Speaker 2: been used, real versatile. But the problem has been dealing
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  Speaker 2: with the injuries. Now he's been healthy this year and
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that if you're an Eagles fan
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  Speaker 2: you got to feel good about is he's coming in
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  Speaker 2: here playing good football right now. I mean his three
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  Speaker 2: sacks were in his last four games, had twenty quarterback
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  Speaker 2: hurries in that time. He's coming in right now, play
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  Speaker 2: healthy and playing well. And if he can continue to
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  Speaker 2: do that, and look, Vic Fangio knows them because Vic
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  Speaker 2: coached he was a defense corner in Miami a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years ago when this kid was playing, So Vic
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  Speaker 2: knows him, he knows his strengths, knows his weaknesses. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and probably already has and you know, Vic signed off
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  Speaker 2: on this, so that tells you he has already has
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good idea of how he wants to play
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  Speaker 2: this guy, and if he can stay healthy, he can
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  Speaker 2: improve you in an area where you need improvement.
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  Speaker 1: My goodness. Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, and now Jalen Phillips.
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  Speaker 1: What a formidable defensive front compared to what they had
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  Speaker 1: the first eight games of the season. Now we also
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  Speaker 1: knew they needed significant help on the back end of
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  Speaker 1: this defense. Uh, they go out last week and get
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  Speaker 1: Michael Carter from the Jets, and then over the weekend
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  Speaker 1: they had an interesting one in Zaire Alexander and Ray.
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  Speaker 1: I'm from the great state of Wisconsin, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: and born and raised in Milwaukee. So I followed the
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  Speaker 1: Packers my whole life, and you know, from my perspective, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's somewhat perplexed. And they added him, and so I
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  Speaker 1: reached out to a couple of people in the know
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  Speaker 1: in the organization and I said, why him? And they
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  Speaker 1: told me that they're bringing him in to see if
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  Speaker 1: he has anything left. Now, he had a knee injury.
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  Speaker 1: In the last few years, he's been injury prone. He
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  Speaker 1: had a knee injury in training camp with the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: He only played two games with the Ravens and the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens decided to let him go. Were you surprised that
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  Speaker 1: they decided at Alexander? I mean, even though we knew
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  Speaker 1: they needed additional help on that back end.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's just it's just it's just taking a shot,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. I mean, and it may it may end
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  Speaker 2: up being nothing. I mean, the Eagles have had and
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  Speaker 2: how he has done some stuff at the trade deadline
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  Speaker 2: in past years that.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of went nowhere, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Robert Quinn had was a guy
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  Speaker 2: who had history, had had some success as a pass rusher,
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  Speaker 2: became here and gave you nothing, uh, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: also in the defense, in the defensive secondary. And Kevin Byard,
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  Speaker 2: remember they got him at the trade deadline a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years ago, a guy that similar background, had been
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  Speaker 2: to Pro Bowls, had been a really good player.
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  Speaker 3: Bring him in, he'll probably help us. Not really, you
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  Speaker 3: just never know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes these guys come in and have real impact, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and then other times guys that move at the trade
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  Speaker 2: deadline generally are these kinds of guys you know that
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  Speaker 2: there are some issues and you're just hoping that maybe
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  Speaker 2: change the scenery, different coaching system, different philosophy. He can,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he can tap into the talent that the
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  Speaker 2: guy had at one time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the Eagles look, the Eagles looking around
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  Speaker 2: right now, and they see where they are. They're six
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  Speaker 2: and two, They're right in smack in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: a wide, wide open NFL. They have a shot, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and the two areas, the two areas that they needed
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  Speaker 2: help was they needed to find somebody who can help
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  Speaker 2: out on the corner to shore up that area, and
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  Speaker 2: they needed another pass rusher, and there were no sure
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  Speaker 2: things out there. But they're willing to take the shot.
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  Speaker 2: And now, you know, now you just sit back and
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  Speaker 2: see Phillips. I'm encouraged by the fact that that he
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  Speaker 2: has been playing this year, has been playing well and
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  Speaker 2: right now, coming in and coming into this stretch, was
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  Speaker 2: playing his best football. And if he could come here
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  Speaker 2: and continue to play that way. In his defense, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're looking at a defensive line. Let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: if they could they could line up in Green Bay
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  Speaker 2: with all number ones on that defensive line Carter's a
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  Speaker 2: number one, Davis number one.
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  Speaker 3: Phillips was a number one BG coming back, he was
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  Speaker 3: a number one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you could be lining up next Monday night
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  Speaker 2: with four first round draft picks and maybe they played
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  Speaker 2: to their pedigree.
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  Speaker 1: Well, right, if Carter works out and if Alexander sticks,
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  Speaker 1: that means Eagles have like eight or nine defensive backs.
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  Speaker 1: They're not keeping all of them. So who's the odd
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  Speaker 1: man or odd man out? So to speak? I would
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  Speaker 1: imagine we start with Dori Jackson being one of the
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  Speaker 1: odd men out.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I would guess. I mean, they don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you want to give up on Ringo
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  Speaker 2: at this point because he's young and he certainly is talented.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we all agree on that he just needs development,
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  Speaker 2: he just needs to improve. But you know, Dori Jackson
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  Speaker 2: at this point is a guy who's bounced around, been
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  Speaker 2: with multiple teams. A dory kind of is what he is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And whereas Ringo, I think they still have
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  Speaker 2: and realistically, I don't blame them for thinking this has
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  Speaker 2: a chance to get better.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what I mean this. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: this to sound like wishful thinking, but I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: you go back.
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  Speaker 2: And you look at the tape of the Giants game,
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  Speaker 2: I thought Ringo played pretty good when he was on
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  Speaker 2: the field. I thought this was just looking at it objectile.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was encouraging that now the Giants don't
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  Speaker 2: have you know, I mean, he wasn't playing against CDEE
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  Speaker 2: lamb or he wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Playing against elite receivers in that game.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought that he looked he looked better in
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  Speaker 2: the last game than he had before. So yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: there's an odd man out, it would probably be a
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  Speaker 2: Dori Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles are now preparing to face the the Green
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  Speaker 1: Bay Packers on Monday Night Football at lambeau Field, Historic
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  Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and Ray. This Packers team, I just
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  Speaker 1: can't figure out they they they lose on Sunday to
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  Speaker 1: a team in Carolina. They should have beaten up and
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  Speaker 1: down the field. They outgained them in yards. They were
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  Speaker 1: one for five in the red zone. You're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: win many football games if you can't convert in the
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  Speaker 1: red zone. But they've lost to Cleveland by three points
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  Speaker 1: and now Carolina by three points, and Ray, do we
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  Speaker 1: over estimate how talented the Packers could be? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they take Pittsburgh to the woodshit in the second half
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  Speaker 1: of that game. A week ago, Pittsburgh turns around and
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  Speaker 1: beats Indianapolis on a crazy NFL Sunday where we saw
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  Speaker 1: the Colts, the Lions, and the Packers all lose. Do
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  Speaker 1: we overestimate this Packers team, which is still the youngest
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  Speaker 1: overall roster in the National Football League.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's kind of it.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're a very talented team, but they are
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  Speaker 2: very young, and I think sometimes young teams have.
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  Speaker 3: Highs and lows. Yeah, and maybe I was kind of
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  Speaker 3: with you. I think when you.
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  Speaker 2: And I talked week one, looking down that long road
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  Speaker 2: of the season about where it was all headed.
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  Speaker 3: Eagles are the defending.
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  Speaker 2: Champs, but we both we kicked around the question of
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  Speaker 2: who's their biggest threat the NFC, and I said the Packers.
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  Speaker 2: I really did, because just the talent on the roster
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  Speaker 2: was I mean, they've got a lot of really good players,
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  Speaker 2: and you're projecting how much Jordan Love is going to
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  Speaker 2: improve and develop over the course of the season. That's
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  Speaker 2: kind of a projection, but I kind of felt very strongly.
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  Speaker 3: About the defense.
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  Speaker 2: It's a young, fast, physical defense, and you add Micah
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  Speaker 2: Parsons to it. To me, the Packers were the most
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  Speaker 2: dangerous team and they may yet still be, but I
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  Speaker 2: think because of their youth, they're going to have these
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  Speaker 2: periods of inconsistency.
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  Speaker 3: And boy, did you see it yesterday? Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how in the world as a two touchdown
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  Speaker 3: favorite playing at home that. I mean, it was almost
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  Speaker 3: a no show kind of game. I mean it really was.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I didn't even know Michael Parsons suited up
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  Speaker 3: for this game.
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  Speaker 2: I can agree with you more and and you would
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  Speaker 2: have thought going into it that this was a game
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  Speaker 2: that he would dominate and it was a total no show.
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  Speaker 2: Now we both know Michael Parsons well enough to know
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  Speaker 2: that he's going to show up for Monday night football,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when the lights come on.
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  Speaker 3: He's that kind of player, So you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: get that. And plus he's.
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  Speaker 2: Getting burned pretty big time out there in the media
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  Speaker 2: for playing as poorly as he did, so he's going
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  Speaker 2: to definitely show up ready to play in that game.
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  Speaker 2: But I still did we overestimate that we oversell the Packers.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I'm guilty of it because I did say
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  Speaker 2: I thought they were the biggest threat to the Eagles,
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  Speaker 2: and they may yet prove to be. But what you
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  Speaker 2: saw yesterday losing at home, is a two touchdown favorite
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  Speaker 2: to the Carolina Panthers.
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  Speaker 3: That's listen.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of criticism being directed at Matt Lafleur, yes,
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  Speaker 2: by the Packer people. You know, Packer Nation is not
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  Speaker 2: at all happy with the head coach right now, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of that chatter out there. So the
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  Speaker 2: people in Green Bay, the Packer fans, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them.
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  Speaker 3: Heck, you were one at one time.
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  Speaker 2: They take this stuff pretty personal and they're unhappy with
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  Speaker 2: where the Packers are right now, losing that game because
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  Speaker 2: I think they too expected more.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I watched Laflor's press conference on Sunday and
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  Speaker 1: one of the first things he said was certain play
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  Speaker 1: calling was on him. You know this, this Packers team
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  Speaker 1: seems that can't get away from these these bubble screens
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  Speaker 1: and they're not working in a lot of cases. And
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  Speaker 1: it has been an outcry and Packers Nation for quite
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  Speaker 1: some time. That let Matt Lafleur, with his conservative approach
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  Speaker 1: to office of play calling is the reason why the
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  Speaker 1: Packers have not taken that next step to the next level.
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  Speaker 1: And now people are just just screaming take the play
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  Speaker 1: calling away from Lafloor.
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  Speaker 3: Well, right, as we all know.
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  Speaker 1: If your head coach is a play caller and he's
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  Speaker 1: hand company offense, I don't care what's talent you have,
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  Speaker 1: it ain't going anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, exactly right, exactly right. And this was a game
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  Speaker 2: where you know, they moved the ball. I mean they
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  Speaker 2: had they had almost four hundred yards total offense. But
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  Speaker 2: you said it earlier. Was they they got down inside
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  Speaker 2: the twenty and just stalled out. You know, they settled
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of field goals, turned the ball over
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  Speaker 2: on downs once and then just turned it over another time.
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  Speaker 2: Because and and Love made Love is a very talented player.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he really is. You watch him on a
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  Speaker 2: day when he's when he's feeling it and he's got
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  Speaker 2: it going, man, he'll just stand in that pocket, he
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  Speaker 2: will throw darts, you know, and but then he'll have
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: these other times where he just he just I don't
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: say it's regressing, but he just kind of like loses
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: his feel out there and he does stop seeing the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: field for some reason, or he starts to force things.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And the interception that he threw, the deep ball interception
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: that he.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Threw, is that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's one. It just has you shaken your head,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: like what are you thinking? You know, you can't throw
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: that ball, you know, And that's when you're a rookie
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: and you make that mistake. Okay, you write it off
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: as a rookie mistake, but at this point in his career,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: he shouldn't be still making those throws, but yet he does.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: But is the talent there. There's no question the talent's there,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: and the Eagles are going to if he were going
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: to win this game. And I still think I still
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be a really tough game for
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the Eagles, I really do. And Packers aren't going to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: play that badly two weeks in a row at home.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: That ain't that ain't happening. But there they're going to
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: have to find a way to get pressure on Jordan
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Love because if they let him feel comfortable in the pocket,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you could be in for a real long night.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: He cannot get away from that rainbow ball, the deep
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: ball you're talking about.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: He throws it in triple coverage.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: You have to be smarter than that, and he under
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: throws it on top of that, so basically it was
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a punt. And then there was another play in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: game where he spun away from pursuit and extended to
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: play for like five to ten seconds. When he finally
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: throws one of his rainbow passes to the end zone,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it's a Carolina defenders standing there and the defender dropped
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the ball, and you're thinking, why has this not been
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: coached out of him after all this time that he's
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: had to be a starter, And you know, you're right, right,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: he seems like you look how he tore apart that
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Steelers defense in the second half, and he comes back
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and plays down to the level of Carolina. Carolina was
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a decent defense. I believe they were ranked eleventh or twelfth,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: but they were not a great defense. But yet he
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: played down to the level of competition and he continuously
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: does that. He did it against Cleveland, although of course
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: when you face the Miles Garrett that's a little bit different.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: But you know, he plays down to the competition and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Packer's coaching can't seem to get that
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: out of his system.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, and I'm sure it's exasperating for
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: them because they you've seen him when he's.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Really good, and he's really good.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we've seen it with other young quarterbacks and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: in some cases it's a matter of just maturity. In
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: other cases it's a case of being coached out of it,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: as you said, But he's capable of playing like one
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: of the top, you know, like a top six seven
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: quarterback in the league.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: He really is. On a good day, he looks every
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: bit of that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Then you have days like yesterday where you just walk
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: away shaking your head, wonder, you know, is this really
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: what this kid's career is going to be?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: This is what he's going to be.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: That he's going to be a guy who's going to
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: be really good for a couple of games and then
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: then have games like this because it's really hard to win,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: i mean, win a championship when you have that kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of quarterback play, I mean you need that. You can't
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: have a guy making those kinds of mistakes. And early
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: in the season I kind of had a feel in
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: that maybe he was past that. You know, and he
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: was ready to take that next step to be a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: championship level quarterback.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And then and then you have a.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Day like yesterday and it leaves you wondering. And the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: other part of it is talking about the landscape of
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the NFC is the Detroit Lions. They lose at home
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to the Minnesota Vikings, you know, playing with J. J.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: McCarthy, who hasn't played in basically all year.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it sort of gets back to what
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: we talked about over the last couple of weeks is
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: just how crazy wide open the whole NFL is right
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: now and everything that kind of happened yesterday actually kind
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of favors the Eagles. Yes, I mean if the Eagles
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: are sitting home, just sitting in their chair, you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: with a drink and some nachos and everything that you
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: wanted to go, everything was breaking your way. It sort
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: of makes you think if you're an Eagles fan, thinking,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you know what, maybe this is the indication of maybe
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it's our year again, because everything that you could have
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: yesterday just fell right in your lap.
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• 23:32
  Speaker 1: You were talking earlier about how the Packers roster, although
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it's young, is deep in talent, and boy did their
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: talent level take a significant hit losing Tucker Craft, who
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: was basically number one among tight ends of receiving yards
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and testdowns this year. Basically an ACL tear done for
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the season. That is a huge blow to the overall
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: structure and fluidity of that Packers offense.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that is a massive loss. I mean you
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: mentioned the stats six touchdowns. He also.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Was number one by leaps and bounds in terms of
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: yards after catch.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I mean he was.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I mean he was catching a lot of balls and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: then he was His yards after the catch.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Numbers were huge.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, and there were some other tight ends out
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: there that are good yat guys, including including Dallas Goddard.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Craft was way ahead.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I mean that was the thing about him that really
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: set him apart, and was having a great year, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: he had become he had really become a key player
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: in their offense and certainly a guy that Jordan Love
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: relied on.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And to lose him, now that's a big, big loss.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's they don't have I don't know where
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know where they go now, but they're not
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: going to get anybody that's going to come in step
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: right in now and for the rest of this year.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Give them the kind of production the Craft was given him.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was playing, he was playing at an
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: elite level.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: If there's if if there's one area of the Eagles,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: or should I say the Packers defense that the Eagles
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: offense will be studying closely is their run defense. I mean,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this was a defense that was pretty stout against the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: run for much of the season. All of a sudden,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: they give up one hundred and sixty three yards to Carolina.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And you know, when you're taking a consideration that running
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: attack that the Eagles had the last game, you know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: guys like Saquon and that Eagles offensive line of salivating
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and trying to pound the football against this Packers defensive front.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And what was really shocking was Carolina had a lot
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of success running right at the middle of green Bayed defense,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: which hadn't happened much for opponents this season.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that people sort of
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: underestimated in when the Micah Parsons trade went down was
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: everybody just thought about the one aspect of it, which was,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: oh boy, the Packers they're adding Micah Parsons.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: To that defense. Well to get him, you gave up
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Kenny Clark.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And you know, I know he wasn't necessarily the sexiest
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: name among defensive players in the NFL, but if you
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: really studied the game and weekend and week out, Kenny
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Clark is a really good player in the interior of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that defensive line. I thought, one of the better interior
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: players in the entire NFL. So, I mean a lot
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of people who are just casual fans, he was just
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a name in the transaction.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I think they gave up Kenny Clark. Oh, they got
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Michael Parsons. Well, they gave up Kenny Clark.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And I think yesterday was a day when you saw
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: how much they miss him inside. You know, Gary, who
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: can be a really good player, was sort of another
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: no show yesterday. And you know, along with Michael Parsons.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It was just a game where you know, teams have
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: these games, Gunner, I mean, where they just maybe it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the look ahead factor. You know, maybe they see it's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Carolina coming in here. You know this two, we're thirteen
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: point favorites. You know, we got the Eagles game coming
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: up here. That's a really big game in the NFC.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I think players, even though you know you don't. People
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: sometimes don't think it, but players they do kind of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: look ahead sometimes and they get they trip themselves up
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: doing that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: We see it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: There are games that you just say, how.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Did that happen? Well, it happens, and it happened to
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the Packers yesterday. But you're gonna have their full attention
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: next night, no question about that. But the fact that
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Carolina was able to run the ball as well as
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: they ran the ball in this game, that was key here.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: That was key here because you've got the quarterback was
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: just coming back. He hadn't played in a while, right,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: So the fact that they were able to run the
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: ball successfully and keep him out of a lot of
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: third and longs, I mean, allowed them to make the
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: plays they needed to win a game that nobody thought
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: they could win.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Mmm. Well, while the Packers are reeling from the loss
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of an incredible tight end, the Eagles spent their weekend
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: loading up. As we talked about off the top of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: his podcast, the added Jalen Phillips, Michael Carter, now Jahira Alexander.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: We give Howie Roseman credit for being the premier GM
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and the National Football League, but let's face it, unless
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: he gets the green light from the owner, how he
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: can't make a lot of the moves that he has
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: made over the last several years. And speaking of Jeffrey Lourie,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: as you brought to my attention on Thursday night, he's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: being inducted into the Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame, and Ray,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I think when you when you look at what Jeffrey
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Lorie has done during his ownership of the Philadelphia Eagles,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: he has always been committed to winning. A lot of
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: times it didn't work out the way he wanted, but boy,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in the last several years, it has really come to fruition.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: He is a man committed to the community in terms
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of what he gives to the community and has his
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: players out there helping to do in the community. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: think this is an incredible honor for an owner who
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: has been committed to excellence with his organization.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you said it very well. Jeffrey has been
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: all of that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And what I.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: When I think back and going back.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: A long ways now it's like thirty years since he
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: bought this team, he is he's without question, the best
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: owner the Eagles have ever had. And if you're talking
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: about owners in Philadelphia, people that have owned any of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the teams, you know, I mean Ed Snyder is kind
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: of the guy that everybody kind of looked to because
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I mean he built, you know, he created and built
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Flyers, So that's a whole different thing. You know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Jeffery didn't build the Eagles. I mean they were there,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: he bought them. Ed Sneyder. Ed Snyder created the Flyers.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So I mean Ed Sneyder always has to be in
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: that conversation among the best owners. But as far as
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: this franchise goes, it's no question.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And what I remember when he first came in here
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in ninety five and bought the team, You know, none
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of us knew who he was, what he was about everybody.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: The one thing everybody agreed upon was everybody was glad
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: to be rid of Norman Brayman. Everybody was happy to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: see Norman Braman lee, but we really didn't know what
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: we were getting. And there was a lot of questions
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to be asked about jeff in the sense that he
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: was the first owner of the Eagles who wasn't from
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia and everybody that else had owned this team where
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: people were from Philadelphia that had grown up with the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Eagles and lived and breathed it. You know, Jeffrey was
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: coming in. He was the guy's coming in from Boston.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: He was a Patriots season ticket holder. You know, he
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: rooted for the Celtics and the Bruins, and now he's
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: going to come in here and own the Eagles. I mean,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of people, Yes, happy to be
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: rid of Norman Brayman, but what are we getting with
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: this guy? And remember there was a lot of talk
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: about people because he was a movie guy he studio
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles that I'll bet, I'll bet he's going
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: to take the Eagles, He's going to move him to LA. Well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you know, Jeffrey came in and right away he said
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a couple of things. He said, Look, I'm not going anywhere.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be part of I'm I'm this is
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: going to be my home. I'm going to make Philadelphia
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: my home. This is where I'm this, this is where
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be. And he's been true to that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: He said he was going to come in and he
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: was going to be an active part of the community.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: He was going to be involved in the community and
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: do good work and be involved in charities. And he
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: has done all of that. And the other thing he
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: said was I'm coming here to win.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: And Norman Brayman, he loved the money, he loved the power,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: he loved the visibility. But you know, he wasn't really
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: all that committed to winning a championship. If he did,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that was fine, But I mean he was about other things.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey was all about winning. Uh, And he's come here
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and boys, he won.
• 31:51
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  Speaker 2: Since the year two thousand, they've been in eight title games.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: They've been in the conference championship game eight times, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: if you go back that same period of time, they've
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: won eleven NFC East titles and they're on their way
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: to win in another one. It's going to be an
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: even dozen at the end of this year, and that's
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: just about as many as the other three teams combined.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Ye So, Jeff has made good on every promise and
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: he's built the Eagles up into being not just a
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: good team, but one of the elite teams in the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: National League.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm happy for him. I mean, he belongs.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: He belongs in the Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame and
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: this week he's going to have the night where he's
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: going to accept that honor officially.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Well congratulation Jeffrey on an accolade, well deserved. And of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: course can't wait to see this matchup come Monday night
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: at historic lambeau Field Eagles against the Packers. Too long,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: long long entities in the National Football League. This game
• 34:01
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• 34:04
  Speaker 1: advantage playoff time. So I can't wait to see how
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: this one plays out. So for my colleague Gray Didn'tinger,
• 34:11
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• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Everybody,