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Talks to Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of The Legend of Ruby Sunday · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None hamster with a blunt pen knife
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  for doing quicker quicker. Quicker welcome back to a
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  hamster with a blood pen knife. My name is Fraser Fraser Henry
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  Orbinger, and I bring Joe's gift of smut to all humanity.
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  Hello, my name is Joe Henry Harbinger, and I bring Fraser's
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  gift of absurd opinions to all humanity.
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  And I'm signed. No other explanation needed.
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  Maybe you're on sci tank? Yeah.
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  Oh, no. Would you start sprouting horns?
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  Oh, no. Let's move on quickly.
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  Hi boys. Hello.
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  Oh, In Sync now. We've recently all been in a in
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  a shuttle to on the way to Castro, Valva and had a lovely
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  time doing that, didn't we? We did indeed, yes.
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  Fraser's not aware of it yet, but he was in the cupboard and
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  nice to size. With the liquorish all sorts.
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  But here we are, back again to talk about hot off the press,
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  press press. The Legend of Ruby Sunday, the
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  1st part of the climactic end of series one, possibly season
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  four, possibly. We've got so many seasons, we're
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  losing cowl. No, we're not.
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  It's Series A. Look at that.
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  Just let's just pick a steer. We'll go with Series A, put with
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  put with flag. I've got a question for you
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  both. Really.
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  Really. How are you finding the season?
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  Let's go across to sight. I am absolutely loving it.
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  To be honest, I don't think there has been a Duff Ed episode
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  so far. I think there's been some very
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  big highs. I think the most disappointing
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  one for me overall is Boom. But then I'm not the world's
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  biggest Steven Moffat fan. I mean, I'm not down with you,
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  Joe, but I'm I'm never been his hugest fan of his work with
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  Russell T Davis anyway. But generally I've I've really
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  enjoyed everything that that has been on.
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  I think still, the Devil's Court is my favorite of the lot
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  because it was so different and stylish and fun and scary and
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  weird that that really sat well with me.
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  But I mean, that pair also of 73 yards and dot and Bubble had
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  such huge, amazing, brilliant things to say that they sit very
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  highly up there as well. So, yeah, I mean, it's there's
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  been a lot to to discuss, lots to think about, lots to to and
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  even Rogue, which I thought was sort of the throwaway fun
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  episode, it turned out there was loads in that that I had to
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  discuss. So yeah, it's it's been good.
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  Why is that? I'm going to agree a lot with
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  what Simon said there. I think it's a very buried
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  series that we've had so far kind of just working through
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  what we've had. You've had the fun frothy let's
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  get to know our characters opener with space babies with
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  it's, you know, snot monster and very little else to really other
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  than, you know, these are our characters.
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  Let's put them in a scenario, watch them work.
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  You can get to know them again after Christmas, after the break
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  from Christmas. Devil's Cord was just a kind of
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  pivot and then, you know, you've got a a musical episode and all
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  but name with, you know, just Stella turned from Jinx.
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  Monsoon is a quite different villain of what we've had.
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  You then pivot into Boom, which is a really high concept story.
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  You know, let's tell a Doctor Who story where the Doctor can't
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  actually move at all. And, you know, see where we'll
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  go with that with the sort of usual Moffett trappings.
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  And then you go into 73 yards, which is just an unbelievable
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  bit of drama in as much as that. It just doesn't tell you
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  anything. It just leaves you to make your
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  own opinions up and, you know, resolve the story, resolve the
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  plot, resolve everything the way you want it.
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  And I can't think of any other drama at the minute which would
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  actually encourage that. And certainly it's, it's a
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  surprise coming from RTD who was so far, since he's come back,
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  been at pains to kind of say, yes, I'm writing this for the
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  iPad generation of kids who can't concentrate on anything
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  for more than 5 minutes and need constant refreshers of what's
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  going on. So that was a real pivot.
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  And then he turns into dot and Bubble where he gives us
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  basically his Black Mirror audition piece and says, Hey,
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  Charlie Brooker, look what I could do with sci-fi and look at
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  the the sharp observations I can make.
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  And you know, the mirror I can hold up to all you, you white
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  boys out there. He.
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  Doesn't need Charlie Brooker. Geez, Charlie Brooker been
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  knocking his door. Exactly.
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  He's kind of, you know, I'm not going to do this forever, but,
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  you know, tapas up mate, and we'll go a bit darker than what
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  I can do for 7:00 on Saturday on a BBC.
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  Pretty dark all the same. Yeah, at the end particularly.
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  Yeah, but you know, it's still it is still family
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  entertainment. You know, Black Mirror, if all
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  the for what it is is not family entertainment, it is very adult.
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  Anyhow, moving on, we've got Rogue, which you know, then
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  haven't had, you know, 2 quite, you know, thick slices of dense
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  chocolate cake. You now get something a little
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  bit more frothy and fun. You have Rogue, which is just a
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  laugh along riot, which then kind of leads you into the big
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  two-part Earthbound finale that when you always knew we were
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  going to get of Legend of Ruby Sunday and Empire of Death.
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  If there's one fault I think with this season is that it is
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  too short. Yeah.
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  I think, and we'll discuss this in the very first opening scene
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  when we're press play, but there is just not enough time for
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  things to breathe and. I think that's only a problem
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  with this episode. I think it all sort of.
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  It made me realise in this episode, my God, I haven't
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  actually had the time to luxuriate into this Doctor
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  companion pairing for all of this to impact like it probably
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  should. And I would say the same about
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  73 yards, I think 73 yards I. Can't agree with that. 73 yards
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  has come out of necessity in a little bit in that he didn't
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  have Shooty for the full. That's Russell is best when he's
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  when he's desperate and he's improvising.
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  That's me, yes. Let me pitch you 73 yards next
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  season when we know Carla Sunday a bit better because at the
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  heart of 73 yards in the middle, you have got that scene where
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  Carla goes and speaks to the woman and deserts Ruby.
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  Now that is going to land better the better you know the
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  relationship between Carla and Ruby.
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  I think that was well established in the church on
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  Ruby Rd. I think there was a that's not a
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  problem per Southeast. And that's not a problem.
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  I don't think that's the centrepiece scene of that
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  episode either. I don't think it's supposed to
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  be. I think there's supposed to be a
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  distance between her and Carla, and absolutely there's supposed
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  to be a distance between her and everybody.
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  But in that episode. If you have better established
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  that relationship, let's put another way that we pitch you 73
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  yards in Series 2. So instead of the 15th Doctor
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  and Ruby Sunday, it's Rose Taylor in the 10th Doctor.
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  And let's put that episode in instead of Love and Monsters.
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  So picture that in your head. And now picture.
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  I wouldn't buy it, though. I wouldn't buy the if she could
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  tell anything to no, no, no. Let me count to you no.
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  No, no, I'm not finished. Now don't agree.
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  Now picture in your head Jackie Taylor turning her back on Rose
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  after. It wouldn't work to.
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  It. Wouldn't work because there's
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  nothing I would believe that that person could tell to Jackie
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  Tyler, and that's the point. She'd been established that
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  much. So that would blow the episode
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  for me. That's the point.
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  That's the point. It would really drive home the
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  abandonment, the idea that this woman is seeing something so
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  appalling, so destructive, that it would turn Jackie Taylor
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  against Rose. I'll never buy it.
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  Plus that's not Rose Tyler's story that she was banned and so
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  it wouldn't hit at all. I don't think that would work.
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  I think the chills would be there completely.
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  I think as a as a way of giving Millie Gibson a chance to steal
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  that lime and show everything that she can do R 473 yards was
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  one. I'm in the advantageous position
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  of loving the Chris Chipnow era and loving RTD two.
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  So I'm not involved in this terrible discourse of all
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  comparisons that are going on at the moment, which is very
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  tedious. So I'm very pleased to be that
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  person just going, well, hurrah for me, you know?
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  Why? Why did Doctor Who fans want to
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  be football fans? There's a lot of comparisons
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  here. I'm learning this from John
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  Arnold. There's.
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  A lot of tribalism isn't there that that seems to have set in
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  over the show runners. And it's also reductive because
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  they're all, they've all got really highs and they've all got
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  real lows. And you can't just say you
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  can't, A, you can't just write off a whole era, and B, you
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  can't just play off a whole era against another whole era, and
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  particularly not one that is still unfolding.
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  Yeah, I mean, you can, you can perfectly say, you know, I
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  support Nicasi United, so therefore I hate Sunderland or I
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  support Tottenham, so I hate Arsenal, but I support RTD so I
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  hit Chibnall or I, you know, Nah, it doesn't work.
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  It's it's. Good if we like it.
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  Oh, it was so refreshing. The other day I did a desert
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  planet diss with somebody. I said, what new who episode
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  would you choose? And he went, well, I'm in a bit
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  of a bond. He goes, because I could choose
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  a Jody, but then I could choose a Moffat because I love his
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  stuff and I could choose an RTD one, but then I'm really loving
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  RTD two. I went, my God, I found the
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  person you know who loves it all for me.
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  This. Is and this is the thing, isn't
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  it? That I think it's just again,
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  it's the the social media curse that all we hear are the people
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  who shout loudest. And actually there are probably
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  loads of people like us who just love it all because it's Doctor
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  Who. But we get drowned out by the
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  shouty annoying opinions that are around.
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  So see your dot and bubble. Basically it's just to switch
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  your phone off and have a wank really in it.
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  But I. Look at the overnight rating.
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  Oh, don't get me started on that.
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  Jesus Christ. For my my opinion of this season
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  is though, that I think it's been very strong.
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  I think he's learnt a lot from Steven Moffett in and I think
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  Steven Moffett and Rusty Davis are talking a lot and there's a
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  lot of focus on very strong individual episodes.
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  Allah listen, you know those those sort of unique high
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  concept stand alone episodes, the two in the middle of the
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  season dot bubble and 73 yards I think are the stand outs by a
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  mile. They're the best thing he's
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  written since turn left and midnight back-to-back.
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  I I think and what else has come around.
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  It's been really good. But my weakest has been rogue,
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  which for all it was fun and I don't object to there being a
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  gay rammers and Doctor Who is very hot watching shooting at
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  Warren Jonathan Groff, getting it off.
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  It just felt a bit classic who for me in in a very sort of
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  pedestrian way, Bird people running around the house, a few
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  witty lines and I don't object to those things.
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  But when that is being stacked up against and I'm even going to
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  include boom in this, these high concept, amazing bits of drama
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  Devil's called as well, just utterly unique.
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  I think it it just gets lost in the pack a little bit.
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  I think we just needed that. I think we needed that after the
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  two high concept episodes with big messages.
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  I think sometimes we forget that actually with Doctor Who, it's
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  it should be fun and it should be thing and we don't have to do
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  the message of the week every week.
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  Sometimes you just want something that clears the
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  palette and is just a great watch.
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  And it was a great watch My. Biggest surprise has been that I
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  knew for you to get while I was going to be brilliant.
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  I just knew it. I knew he was going to be
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  charisma personified. Billy Gibson man has blown yes
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  she sucks off this season. She's.
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  Been my revelation of the 17. Years old.
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  Yeah. And she turns her hand to every
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  genre they asked her to do this year like.
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  I mean nothing. Has phased her.
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  The comedy she does in Rogue when she's doing that battle,
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  dance to Poker face and all of that, I was just wonderful.
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  I think the issue we work for me was it was just too predictable.
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  I think, you know, you could. As soon as, you know, you have
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  that scene in the TARDIS with Captain Jack Hamilton, to steal
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  the phrase from Toby Haydock in The Doctor to, you know, or
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  come, come journey the stars with me.
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  It's like you're going to die. Yeah.
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  Or. It was basically the beats of
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  the girl in the fireplace in lots of ways, and particularly
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  the ending. And the ending didn't sell as
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  well as the girl in the fireplace.
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  Exactly. That's not a huge fan of the
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  girl in the fireplace, as recently revealed.
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  You should say that sorry because I was feeling some
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  familiar beats of Army of Ghosts in the Legend of Ruby Sunday.
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  Yes, there was. What were you?
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  I was. With you I was not, so I am
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  intrigued to for you to point these beats out to me.
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  Well, just how the whole thing is a massive build up to a huge
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  reveal climax of an old villain at the end of the episode.
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  How the last 10 minutes is all building up to that moment.
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  How we head off to the person's home for a little while.
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  How the whole thing is I just, I how this was plotted, how it
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  played out. I was like, I've kind of seen
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  this done before, but what was different was the tone.
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  I think he's tapped into this sort of dark fantasy tone, which
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  gives us a really ominous feel. And I thought that's what really
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  works here. What about you guys?
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  What about you side? Yeah, I mean, there's definitely
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  been a dark fantasy feel to the whole season, which is very
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  different to to RTD one. Yeah, I mean, I have to say I've
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  only seen this episode once. I have so this is this will only
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  be my second watch. So I'm very much I'm still on
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  the the opinions of when I watched it on Saturday morning
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  very early before work. So yeah, it's it's kind of plays
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  out like a Russell T Davis finale got big tech.
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  We've got that goes wrong that causes a big problem.
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  We've got particularly a machine with big levers.
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  We've seen big levers before. Anagram.
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  Sigh. We lost an anagram, but exactly.
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  All of all of these things are, are sort of familiar, but that's
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  OK. And and again, I, I really did
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  not think he was bringing back a one off villain from 49 years
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  ago for this. I really thought, you know what
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  that's just fans being stupid. There is no Oh my God, he is.
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  I think the fact that he's pushed away from the Daleks and
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  the Sidemen and the Sun Tyre, because that was sort of flogged
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  to death at the tail end of the Bishop New era really well.
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  But we've done it a lot, and he's gone for Beat the Meep, the
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  Celestial Toymaker and Sue Tech. Yeah.
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  I mean, in some ways I think I'd have preferred it to have been a
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  new and bigger threat, but I can understand why you would do it.
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  But sometimes I think the constant looking back, we've had
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  a season that hasn't really looked back at all and it would
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  have been nice to have finished it without without something
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  coming back as well. So although I'm happy and
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  delighted that Suitek is back, in particular Gabriel Wolf is is
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  back doing the Voice and everything else, would it have
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  been better? Would it hit even bigger if it
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  was a new fret that we didn't know anything about and that the
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  we had to watch the doctor try because the doctors defeated him
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  once, so we know he could do it again.
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  But if we got a new fret, would that be would that hit even
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  better? Would the cliffhanger, would the
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  cliffhanger have hit as much though, if it had just been
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  rando God from the dawn of time? Well, in that utopia session
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  have stood up and gone. That's only hitting for fans.
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  I you know there. Are there's only fans watching
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  now? That is not true.
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  At all there's a. Load of old bollocks that is.
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  But you know, don't do that, don't do that.
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  Don't put bollocks and only fans in the same sentence.
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  Oh, I've done that before. Oh, a subscriber?
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  I know you have. But you know, there is a whole
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  tranche of the audience who won't know who Suitec is, who
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  will go back and find Pyramids of Mars now.
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  But you know, it's going to hit the same for them.
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  It's just a a creature that they they understand that the Doctor
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  that the Doctor knows. I mean, it might be a name that
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  the Doctor knows for this new creature anyway, but we don't
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  know it. So you know, what's what's the
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  difference? But it's presented in the most
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  chilling way possible. Any child, any person has never
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  seen pyramids. And Mars just knows this is
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  fucking bad news. Absolutely.
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  You know Fraser well, how did you find the episode?
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  I mean. I think to to kind of circle
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  back on that again, to mention the length of the series,
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  because again, we look at this as being a classic RTD series
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  finale. We know what to expect.
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  You know, the template of this Series A is the same template
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  we've had since season one, series one with them.
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  You know, we know we're coming back to an earthbound two-part,
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  you know, higher stakes imaginable finale.
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  The difference we've got with this is that if you look back,
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  you're seeing on your ghost. I'm I'm thinking about Wolf all
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  the time with this, you know, plenty of that, but I'm also
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  thinking, you know, death in heaven and you know, it's
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  basically just a story that builds up to a cliffhanger, a
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  big shocking reveal of a cliffhanger.
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  And the difference here is, like you say, we don't know if you're
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  a casual, you know, fans, you know, we know who Suitek is.
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  You know, you're more casual viewer or maybe as your fan
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  person that's only been a fan since, you know, series one
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  hasn't got that connection. Go Oh my God, Suitek.
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  It's Suitek. They're just me, right?
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  So that, yeah, cool. Whatever.
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  The difference, if you look at series one is we've we had the
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  Daleks seeded in Series 1, so we had Dalek.
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  So by the time you come to the end, you know, the threat of the
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  Daleks in Series 2, we'll have the Cybermen, but we've had the
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  Cybermen. Age of Attack of the Rise of the
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  Steel. So you you already know about
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  the Cybermen there. So when it's the big reveal of
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  the Cybermen at the end and then you're nearly all the Daleks as
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  well. So you're like Daleks, you know,
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  these are already being kind of seeded.
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  What do? You mean, what about that scene
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  in In the Devil's Chord, which played out exactly like that
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  scene in Pyramids and Mars? Everyone should have known at
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  that point. Well, yes.
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  But if you don't, you know, again what, what we're missing.
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  And I think maybe he's, you know, Suitek might have been a
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  better reveal for next year if we've got, if we know I've got
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  another season, we'll have to wait and see what he's doing
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  with Series B. But to think, you know, we could
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  have ceded Suitek in Series A and then had Suitek as the
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  reveal in the end of Series B as the big bad for Series B again,
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  you know, it might be something completely different in Series B
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  that kind of negates all that. But that would be my thinking
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  would be maybe he's have a different big bad for this.
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  But do you lay your groundwork now?
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  Have you sort of mentions of Suitek throughout so that when
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  Suitek does land, it actually gives a bit more heft?
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  Series three, you know, the master needed explaining.
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  So you have to have Utopia to set up the master to go into the
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  two-part finale so that it actually, you know, you actually
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  sat and thought, well, this is this is it makes sense.
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  It's it's it hits home. So I'm, you know, next, next
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  week we'll find out exactly what he's doing with Suitek.
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  But as things stand with this episode, it just felt a bit
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  like, fine, you Suitek, but do we do your homework first?
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  Do lay your groundwork. I'm not going to make that this
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  entire episode disagreeing with you, but I am going to disagree
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  with you because I think you're thinking primarily in Doctor Who
• 22:28
  terms and Doctor Who continuity terms and that Suitek, the name
• 22:31
  or the concept should be dropped before this.
• 22:34
  But actually Suitek is just another God.
• 22:37
  And we've had the Giggle, which featured a God, and we had the
• 22:40
  Devil's cord. We've featured a God that is
• 22:43
  your seeds leading up to this, and Suitek is just another God.
• 22:46
  The fact that he's a God that we know from the classic series,
• 22:49
  all well and good, but you cannot say that the gods have
• 22:52
  not been seeded since our gods came back.
• 22:55
  That's what he is, that he's just another God.
• 22:57
  And they literally list all the gods in order that woman says
• 23:01
  the God of this, the God of mission, the God of that, it's
• 23:04
  all. Been seeded, it's the gods have
• 23:06
  been seeded, but he is a. Goat, so he's.
• 23:08
  Ticked Suitek hasn't though, so. That's fine.
• 23:12
  That's that's just. A name he's.
• 23:14
  Another God. Exactly, exactly.
• 23:15
  It's just a name. If you have you know in Devil's
• 23:19
  Court you have mention of Suitek or if in that.
• 23:23
  Ruin. Yeah, then then you don't get
• 23:26
  the shock reveal. If in 73 yards you have so
• 23:29
  mention of suitek, then by the time you get to suitek at the
• 23:34
  end it means a lot more. It lands a lot harder.
• 23:40
  No, I'm not. I'm not convinced to.
• 23:42
  Be over, am I? So do you think as the casual
• 23:48
  viewer perhaps or as the new fans coming into series one, if
• 23:52
  we hadn't have had Dalek, would the reveal of the Daleks at the
• 23:56
  end of Bad Wolf been as? Successful.
• 24:00
  No, no, no. But we but we have had gods.
• 24:02
  I don't know how I can make this clearer for you.
• 24:04
  We have had gods in two episodes and now we have another God.
• 24:09
  And each of the gods have said there is someone.
• 24:11
  There was someone else. Exactly.
• 24:13
  You don't need to say, you don't need to see the.
• 24:16
  You've got the idea that could someone be powerful coming?
• 24:20
  That could be anyone though. That could be Stan.
• 24:22
  Stan the God, of course, men. And that's what I was saying.
• 24:25
  He's the one who waits for the the redeliveries, you know, But
• 24:29
  that. Was what I was saying earlier
• 24:30
  on, that you could have something new and it would land
• 24:34
  exactly the same with you in public.
• 24:36
  It doesn't. Actually, it's so nice to have
• 24:39
  you off the fence for one sake, Fraser.
• 24:45
  Oh no. Shall we watch this?
• 24:46
  Should. We watch this thing.
• 24:49
  We haven't argued this about since the time as children.
• 24:52
  Oh, I know well. Fraser brings the contention.
• 24:55
  He loves it. Someone counted it quick before.
• 25:01
  54321 Play the bloody episode. Always pays you.
• 25:11
  Was all watching on iPlayer. So you've had the universe,
• 25:13
  Yeah. Lovely.
• 25:14
  Yeah, right. You know, the way the TARDIS
• 25:16
  comes swooping in like this? We've done it quite a few times
• 25:19
  since the RTD came back. Is that the TARDIS trying to
• 25:21
  shake off Suitek? I wonder.
• 25:23
  Give me some loving. Don't I think it's just shooty
• 25:26
  showing off. It's like, it's like doughnuts
• 25:29
  in the in McDonald's car park or.
• 25:31
  You know, that's just hasn't she got a wonderful look?
• 25:35
  I think she's sexy as hell, actually.
• 25:39
  So does Colonel Wimbra had. If I'm honest, I want to have it
• 25:42
  off with half of unit. Where's Shirley Bingham?
• 25:46
  She's off this week. Like, unlike all unit scientific
• 25:50
  advisors, you're only allowed to do one or two stories and then
• 25:53
  you have to disappear for a bit and then be replaced.
• 25:55
  Is she back again? I think she's back next year.
• 25:58
  I think she was just unavailable for this.
• 26:00
  Oh, she's a busy woman. It's like that woman ambassador
• 26:03
  to death. You know that woman who's in
• 26:04
  episode one and then and then turned up?
• 26:07
  She's got an annual leave for the rest.
• 26:08
  Miss anything? Oh well, everyone went quiet
• 26:14
  there. I mean, what the bloody Hell's
• 26:18
  of lynx? That's the point.
• 26:21
  That is the point I think we're ever going to know.
• 26:24
  Or will we have the Flinx you know?
• 26:27
  It feels very. Origin story it.
• 26:29
  Feels very much like Snarf, OH. My God.
• 26:34
  Snarf, Snarf. Kids, you know what I mean?
• 26:38
  Just. It's pretty cool though, right?
• 26:40
  It's a. Big.
• 26:41
  It looks good. Yeah, whatever.
• 26:44
  I'm not sure about Unit's child labour laws though.
• 26:46
  If I'm completely honest. It's 30.
• 26:50
  Oh my God how hot should shoot your cat while looking That
• 26:53
  leather jacket. It's a good look.
• 26:56
  Oh. Have you heard the story about
• 26:57
  his mum telling him off? No.
• 27:00
  She's like Shooty. Your name is UN Shooty.
• 27:04
  Stop telling everyone you're called Shooty, he said.
• 27:07
  He goes, that's it, He goes. Mum is too late, he's out there
• 27:10
  now. Oh look that that Susan twist
• 27:14
  with all the blue make up and the horns.
• 27:16
  That was C Tech. Oh, OK, What do you think about
• 27:21
  all this and all this straight away Exposition City Brazen.
• 27:25
  Well, it's what we've been leading up to, but it's it's
• 27:27
  nice because it's undercut beautifully by everyone else
• 27:30
  knowing exactly who she is. And because the doctor and Ruby
• 27:34
  have been away, they don't know. So that's, I think that's really
• 27:38
  great. It's not what we've been leading
• 27:41
  to, though. It's come out with nowhere.
• 27:43
  It's the because again, it's the shortness of the series.
• 27:46
  What we need is a point where even just a little scene at the
• 27:51
  end of Rogue where the Doctor and Ruby stop and go right, hang
• 27:58
  on, this person keeps popping up everywhere.
• 28:00
  What we're going to do about and something has got to lead them
• 28:03
  back to 2024 Earth. I think we assume that
• 28:07
  conversation took place, but yeah, that's the thing I always
• 28:09
  used to complain about with Stephen Moffett era All this
• 28:11
  stuff happening off screen and then we're suddenly expected to
• 28:14
  catch up and how did we get from there to?
• 28:18
  There it just comes from Norman's like, right?
• 28:19
  So why have all of a sudden decided to land a unit and check
• 28:22
  for Susan Twist now? Well done Fraser.
• 28:25
  That's the only point you've made so far where your criticism
• 28:27
  of the shortness of the season makes sense.
• 28:30
  And then again, leading into sort of, well, we've got 2 two
• 28:33
  things we're going to look at now.
• 28:34
  We're going to look at Susan Twist and we're going to look at
• 28:36
  Ruby Sunday. Again, that just comes from
• 28:38
  nowhere. It just it just landed there
• 28:40
  for. But as mysteries for this
• 28:42
  episode, I think they are both intriguing.
• 28:46
  They are both intriguing mysteries, as is Mrs. Flood, who
• 28:49
  we're going to come. To oh.
• 28:51
  Yes, I'm going to ask, you know, is there too much?
• 28:56
  Too much mystery? No, he's he's thrown so much in
• 28:59
  the air this year, so you can't keep track of all of them.
• 29:02
  Has he thrown too much in the air?
• 29:03
  No. Don't think so?
• 29:06
  Well, I guess we'll wait till next week and see how it all
• 29:08
  pays off. The danger of doing one thing is
• 29:11
  like the hybrid arc in Series 9, right?
• 29:14
  Sorry, sorry, I don't vomit or anything.
• 29:16
  Is is that you do one thing and the payoff is so terrible.
• 29:21
  You're like, well, we waited the whole season for that.
• 29:22
  You do six things and then you bring them all together at the
• 29:26
  end and you pay, I don't know, just three of them off well.
• 29:29
  Well, that makes a more satisfying season than nine, I
• 29:31
  think. But then you've got three things
• 29:33
  that I'm paid off. Well, oh, I don't know yet.
• 29:34
  I've not seen next week's episode, have I?
• 29:38
  There's an intriguing line there.
• 29:40
  Well. Is that about the the book at
• 29:42
  CBeebies Bedtime? Because I really like that one.
• 29:44
  That that was that was a very good bit.
• 29:46
  I like that. But no, a bit about where they
• 29:49
  say Kate says well, and let me say well, we haven't.
• 29:56
  We, we, we catch lots of people apart from the obvious and we'll
• 30:01
  get here. Surely that's Elon Musk they're
• 30:04
  talking about. That's I did not think that to
• 30:07
  start with. Who?
• 30:09
  Who did you think? Well, I thought they were
• 30:11
  talking about the master. I thought I thought was a
• 30:16
  reference to the Saxon muster. I was like, Oh yeah, we didn't
• 30:18
  get that one. That's that is the joy of
• 30:20
  leaving these things ambiguous. So it could be anyone.
• 30:22
  And you could pick them up because again, is Suitek the
• 30:27
  boss that everyone keeps mentioning that they're working
• 30:30
  for, like the meat and. Rogue.
• 30:32
  I think he's just part of the Pantheon and then someone's even
• 30:35
  higher than all of them. OK.
• 30:36
  And that or is that another thing that is coming another
• 30:39
  time I. Think that's going to be
• 30:41
  something different, That's just going to be some random space or
• 30:45
  who's, you know, the the Doctor Who universe version of like the
• 30:49
  Kingpin or Moriarty, who's out there?
• 30:52
  Not the Master, obviously, but out there some sort of
• 30:55
  intergalactic kingpin, Yeah. Can I say a moment please for
• 31:00
  Susan Twist, who I think delivers a sublime performance
• 31:05
  in this? Oh, she comes out and does the
• 31:07
  Theresa May dance. Made me howl with.
• 31:09
  Laha, can I shout out to RTD for taking the piss out of us all?
• 31:17
  Go on. Because he has, hasn't he?
• 31:19
  This all opening scene where it's like, oh, if you rearrange
• 31:22
  S triad, you get TARDIS. It's like, yeah, obviously.
• 31:27
  I got that one like he knows Doctor Who fans of all.
• 31:32
  And then he's like, oh, but it's Susan.
• 31:33
  It's it's Susan. It's your granddaughter.
• 31:36
  Yeah. It's not, it's not.
• 31:37
  Go on. I'll give you that.
• 31:38
  Because that one, this is blood. And.
• 31:41
  Then obviously he's kind of sitting at all with his with his
• 31:43
  holder because he's way, you know, he's or whatever.
• 31:45
  I just can't. Can I thank Russell T Davis
• 31:48
  please? For obviously someone goes,
• 31:50
  yeah, Susan tech Susan try a tech suit tech and he's like.
• 31:54
  I mean, to be fair, other people have figured that one out as
• 31:56
  well. Yeah, I saw.
• 31:57
  That online sitting there going yeah, I study when supposed to
• 32:00
  get that one. Can I thank Rusty Davis, please
• 32:03
  for humanising Kate Lethbridge Stewart to a point where I'm
• 32:08
  really enjoying watching her for the first time ever in Doctor
• 32:12
  Who for. The first time ever she's not
• 32:14
  sapped all the energy in the room.
• 32:16
  No, she's she's written with huge empathy in this story.
• 32:21
  And of course, joke. We've met her, haven't we this
• 32:23
  year? So we did.
• 32:25
  That humanized her hugely. Ever since Mark, she's now his
• 32:29
  favorite character of all time. It's it's very.
• 32:31
  Odd. I've got two questions for you
• 32:34
  guys. First one, when did you first
• 32:38
  twig this was going to be Suitek?
• 32:40
  Oh no, I didn't think he'd ever do it.
• 32:42
  So not until it was revealed. When when the letters were
• 32:46
  rearranged, it was just like, Oh my God, of course.
• 32:51
  We've just missed the bit where I've twigged.
• 32:54
  Wow, what was it? Don't call me Susan, call me Sue
• 32:58
  Pet. Sue Pet.
• 33:01
  Sue, don't call me Susan so we'll know.
• 33:03
  It's not Susan. It's Sue.
• 33:05
  Sue. And then Pet.
• 33:07
  Sue. Pet is just too much like Sue
• 33:09
  Tech. Oh.
• 33:10
  I didn't get that. No, I didn't get that.
• 33:12
  No, it's it was, kind of was. It's 22.
• 33:16
  It went to seven in the morning, Fraser.
• 33:18
  But it's just like that, that bit in well, nothing time, you
• 33:23
  know, like some people twigged that that was John SIM under
• 33:25
  that Latex. I don't think that really I got
• 33:29
  it just before it was revealed, but.
• 33:33
  That's a good question then. Yeah.
• 33:35
  Given that Kate Stewart was an invention of Chris Tibler and
• 33:39
  Stephen Moffat, what is it specifically that Russell T
• 33:44
  Davis is doing in his rating that makes him rated better
• 33:49
  than? In this episode, he gave her two
• 33:53
  lines, which I absolutely loved. One was when she said you bring
• 33:56
  joy and, and comforts him in a very wonderful way.
• 34:00
  And the other was when he gives her a massive moment of humour
• 34:03
  and goes, oh, I love Davina as well.
• 34:05
  And I'm like, fuck me, you just sound like a real person.
• 34:08
  For the first time ever, you're not coming in doing your
• 34:11
  Wikipedia article. You know, synopsis.
• 34:14
  Yeah, on your father. He makes her into a person he
• 34:18
  meant he makes her into a person with a ton of empathy.
• 34:22
  That's what that's the difference, I think.
• 34:25
  I've, I think exactly the same. I I just what I really liked in
• 34:31
  this episode was the concern she has for for the person who who
• 34:36
  is killed in the simulation. Look.
• 34:40
  And the look that she she gives the doctor about that, even
• 34:45
  though it is technically her responsibility, but she is
• 34:48
  straight away on to the family on to get this.
• 34:52
  We need to sort this and I like that a lot.
• 34:57
  Can I ask a question? No, this is my show now.
• 35:01
  How cool is Mel undercover? Oh.
• 35:04
  I love it. We have this everywhere.
• 35:06
  This is we need the spin off with Mel.
• 35:09
  Well. Investigate SO.
• 35:12
  I think. She's.
• 35:14
  Wonderful in this Joe, if you'd have ever told me that there
• 35:16
  would be the return of Suitek featuring by Langford as male.
• 35:23
  Well, that's Big Finish, isn't it?
• 35:25
  That's or like an EDA or something like that.
• 35:28
  You know, madness. Sorry, Fraser, let's swing it
• 35:33
  back round because you didn't Give your opinion on your
• 35:34
  question, I think. It's I think he's just probably
• 35:38
  given Gemma Redgrave more to do as well.
• 35:41
  It's kind of like it's it's you know, that that moment, that
• 35:44
  time I mentioned about the look is, is really, you know, Karen,
• 35:49
  you don't write that. Or maybe he has, maybe he's
• 35:51
  written, you know, you know, Kate looks at the Doctor in
• 35:53
  disgust and, you know, Gemma's then been able to do something
• 35:56
  with it because you kind of think, well, you know, where
• 35:59
  else have she had these moments? You know, it's it's all about
• 36:03
  character, isn't it? And that's, that's exactly what
• 36:05
  we look to Rusty for, you know, we look at to Moffett for plot
• 36:09
  and clever endings and whatnot. We look to, to RTD to give us
• 36:14
  character moments. And that's probably what he's
• 36:16
  doing. He's, he is actually giving us
• 36:18
  some character and saying, you know, do this.
• 36:21
  It's, it's, I'm not sure you've read the giggle novelization
• 36:27
  segment. Have you read that?
• 36:28
  I haven't yet. Not yet.
• 36:30
  So it's not too much of A spoiler, but there was some
• 36:33
  sections in that novelization that James Hoss was saying,
• 36:35
  which really, you know, do exactly what Rusty's doing here
• 36:39
  with, with Kate as well. So Mebes, there's just more of
• 36:43
  Kate out there that just hits the the cutting floor because
• 36:45
  it's actually, yeah, the the bits where, you know, where she,
• 36:49
  you know, focuses on the the people that are underneath her,
• 36:54
  you know, the soldiers whose lives are lost, that, you know,
• 36:57
  that's, that's in that novelization as well.
• 36:59
  And it's it's out here. So you know Mebes, that is, you
• 37:02
  know, RTD Covenant said. Well, that's going to be a real
• 37:05
  character moment for her. There's a sequence in that book,
• 37:08
  Phrases Do you Remember, where she's talking about her friends
• 37:11
  and how she advises on their love lives and is always there
• 37:14
  for them. They go out drinking and all
• 37:16
  this stuff. And then she masterfully managed
• 37:19
  just to avoid talking about her work all the time, you know, and
• 37:23
  just goes, Oh yeah, you know, it's just the usual.
• 37:26
  Simon's busting the gut, and I think it's because I am.
• 37:28
  Because we've got missus blood here, and I want to mention the
• 37:33
  line. Oh, I'm always hiding myself
• 37:37
  away when the Doctor later on in the episode says when he's
• 37:42
  talking about Susan that Time Lords have a way of hiding
• 37:45
  themselves away. You think that's Susan?
• 37:49
  I have a feeling she is not part.
• 37:52
  Everyone says she's evil and I'm part of the pantheon of gods or
• 37:57
  whatever, but I have a feeling she's not.
• 38:00
  I think this is a a double deception on Russell's part,
• 38:04
  that he he that it is someone, another Time Lord that is
• 38:10
  hiding. And I'm not going to say it's
• 38:12
  the Rani because I don't think it's the Rani.
• 38:14
  It's the wrong way. Oh.
• 38:16
  I'm going to say it's Romana because while we're making these
• 38:22
  stupid predictions, I'm going to say it's another incarnation of
• 38:26
  Romana who is hiding in London. I'm going to say it's Drax.
• 38:32
  I am going to point to one particular scene in the Church
• 38:35
  of Ruby Rd. which is going to kind of knock that off your
• 38:41
  perch a little bit, and it's the scene where the tortoise is in
• 38:45
  the middle of the road. You know, I've already
• 38:47
  established that Missus Flood knows what a police box is and
• 38:50
  what not. And then the tortoise
• 38:51
  materializes for the first time. And Missus Flood watches that
• 38:55
  and is taken aback. She is surprised by that.
• 38:59
  She drops her shopping in shock and amazement that the TARDIS
• 39:02
  dematerialize in front of us. So that says to me that Misses
• 39:06
  Flood doesn't know that that's a TARDIS.
• 39:08
  Or is it that? She's not expecting it to be the
• 39:11
  Doctor's TARDIS. In which case, why would she be
• 39:15
  happy with you know, if anyone knew the TARDIS knew the
• 39:19
  Doctor's TARDIS and the police box appeared outside their front
• 39:22
  door, what would they think? Of the reaction that Sarah Jane
• 39:26
  had to seeing the TARDIS again after a lot of years, it's that
• 39:30
  it's that scared and thrilled and you've been deserted by the
• 39:34
  Doctor for a long time. So hence it is Romana.
• 39:37
  I think the best reaction, but no.
• 39:38
  She would have that reaction before she did.
• 39:40
  See what? See what I mean?
• 39:41
  It's it's the month that to dematerializer.
• 39:44
  So I think Mrs. Flood knows who Suitek is, obviously.
• 39:49
  Yeah, she knows something's coming.
• 39:51
  Knows what a tortoise is, not necessarily the tortoise.
• 39:56
  So I think there is, you know, Missus Claude is obviously
• 39:59
  otherworldly. If is she someone that knows the
• 40:02
  Doctor? I'm not convinced that she is.
• 40:05
  I think she is someone that knows of Time Lords, knows of
• 40:08
  Sirens, knows of the pantheon of gods.
• 40:10
  Then it's going to be something new.
• 40:12
  I think the best twist would possibly be if Mrs. Flood turned
• 40:16
  out to be Anita Dobson and she just knew and.
• 40:21
  He she travelled with the time travelling.
• 40:24
  And here's my husband, Bromi. He knows about space.
• 40:30
  That's Isaac Newton. Fix Marvity.
• 40:34
  You know, it's nice to hear. I've never thought I'd say this
• 40:36
  in a million years, but I'm going to.
• 40:38
  It's nice to hear Nicholas Briggs in the new series of the
• 40:41
  Blinks. You know, he's still doing his
• 40:42
  voices. Yeah, he's still there.
• 40:46
  There's a dude. In there there's a dude in the
• 40:47
  blinks. There is, I know, and apparently
• 40:51
  right on the Unleashed. I was saying that's set because
• 40:53
  it was filmed in high summer. It was absolutely roasting,
• 40:58
  bless him. Did you notice how how the
• 41:01
  Doctor and Kate Stewart hugged a bit awkwardly, and then Mel came
• 41:06
  in and it was just an enormous bear hug?
• 41:08
  And I thought that's a good a good thing to show between the
• 41:12
  two different characters. And I think there's another
• 41:14
  really nice moment for Kate where, like the doctor said,
• 41:16
  yeah, it's Ruby's mom, we'll just let her in and Kate just
• 41:18
  say why not, whatever. Yeah.
• 41:22
  Do you have a time window? You expressly forbidden us from
• 41:25
  doing that. Where is it?
• 41:27
  Downstairs. I love all of that.
• 41:30
  And he's actually he's. Just given her, given her the
• 41:32
  opportunity to do stuff. The bit where he comes in and he
• 41:36
  looks impressed for a second and then goes look at this load of
• 41:40
  shit, you risk 1. Crude, yeah.
• 41:46
  So great and it's wonderful set as well.
• 41:49
  It is good. It's big, isn't it?
• 41:51
  I've got lots of dials. I like that you have gone for
• 41:54
  lots of dials in their tech and it's not all digital displays.
• 41:57
  Excuse me, you did you get a hard on when you saw that VHS
• 42:00
  being waved around? I was like, oh God, an old
• 42:03
  cassette. I got I got more upset when they
• 42:07
  they had to cover what is the VHS?
• 42:12
  Oh, we feel so old. I've got to say, I do think the
• 42:15
  first half of this episode is very talky, yeah.
• 42:20
  And not unengaging, but very talky.
• 42:22
  I think from this point on, when the, you know, Ruby Rd. comes up
• 42:27
  and we go into all this sort of haunting imagery, right?
• 42:30
  So the climax, I think the episode is on fire from this
• 42:33
  point. On, well, you've got to.
• 42:34
  You've got to have your slow build up, haven't you?
• 42:36
  You've got to and. This this.
• 42:38
  That's what this episode is. It is just slow build up.
• 42:41
  Yeah, of. Course.
• 42:42
  Yeah, well, not the. Ones it starts starts printing
• 42:44
  in the last 10 minutes, yeah. And I think, but I mean the
• 42:51
  thing that struck me when I watched this the first time at
• 42:54
  midnight on on Friday was him how little I breathed during
• 42:59
  this sequence. This sequence, yeah, yeah.
• 43:03
  I found myself having to actually think, Oh, take a
• 43:07
  breath now. It was all the little details
• 43:09
  when when her mum was suddenly over there, you know it was.
• 43:14
  Just the anticipation, it was kind of like, you know, Orchia
• 43:17
  comes Ruby's mom. So now we're going to find out
• 43:19
  who that is. Except we're not.
• 43:21
  And now we're going to fight. Oh, there's something else.
• 43:22
  And there's there's another mystery and there's another
• 43:24
  mystery and. Then what the hell was she
• 43:25
  pointing at, you know? Yeah, yeah.
• 43:28
  So say you stop being so dense. Maggie's punches pointed behind.
• 43:31
  How just? How is this changing from what's
• 43:34
  on the tape? Yes, that's very muffy though,
• 43:37
  right? That reminds.
• 43:39
  Me of yeah, exactly. Things changing that shouldn't
• 43:43
  change at all. I can almost say like Russell
• 43:45
  Davis, you know, he's writing this and he's on the phone to
• 43:47
  sleep and I've just written this scene.
• 43:48
  He goes, Oh no, no, do this, do this, Russell, come on now.
• 43:51
  I bet he's giving him lots of ideas this year.
• 43:53
  I I do feel his fingers in other episodes, you know, I.
• 43:56
  Think, I mean, for me, what I feel is that, you know, RTD went
• 44:03
  first and then Moffett came after him.
• 44:05
  And so he's kind of just took notes.
• 44:08
  Yeah. You know, he's watched as a fan
• 44:10
  and he's kind of took some notes and just thought, well,
• 44:12
  actually, oh, that was a really, really clever way of doing that.
• 44:15
  And oh, well, exactly. That's that series was, you
• 44:18
  know, the series arc was plotted really well there and you've
• 44:20
  dropped it off. And yeah, and I think he's
• 44:22
  probably come away from watching Steven Moffat and probably Chris
• 44:26
  Chibnall's Doctor Who as well as a fan more than anything.
• 44:29
  And then, you know, turned his professional head on and
• 44:31
  thought, right, well, what can I Leech from those guys to meet?
• 44:35
  Yeah. And it's very much like what
• 44:38
  Russell was doing with taking things from the New Adventures
• 44:41
  and the fiction of Doctor Who before Doctor Who came back
• 44:44
  cherry picking the best bits. He gone right?
• 44:47
  Journey to the centre of the TARDIS and the battle of
• 44:49
  Ransorov Colos. No, we won't do that.
• 44:51
  Scribble, scribble, scribble. Oh wait.
• 44:53
  The ominous tone of dark water and the timeless child orphan
• 44:57
  plot line. Yes, I'll have that.
• 44:58
  Thank you very much and there but.
• 45:01
  Not yet. Oh, the snow.
• 45:06
  I love the snow. It's such a brilliant image,
• 45:09
  isn't it? There?
• 45:10
  Because there's something so magical about snow, anyway,
• 45:13
  that. Making it kind of.
• 45:16
  Comforting, but but sinister. Yeah, exactly.
• 45:20
  And that song, that very haunting.
• 45:25
  Yeah, the OR the yeah, the paddle of the bells.
• 45:28
  Bells is just an amazing piece of music anyway, because it's
• 45:31
  creepy and celebratory and wonderful.
• 45:34
  It's a really great choice. It sort of makes me feel very
• 45:38
  warm for Christmas and a bit lonely at the same time.
• 45:41
  Isn't it very powerful? Oh, I see what you've been
• 45:44
  involved with. The switches.
• 45:46
  Oh, my God. And the enormous levers.
• 45:49
  Oh, we. Love an enormous lever.
• 45:50
  It's a very Doctor Who thing to have a great big lever.
• 45:55
  I mean, if we are doing similar episodes, you know, penultimate
• 45:59
  episodes to what we've had before that, I suppose the big
• 46:01
  difference is the money. You know, this just looks
• 46:05
  amazing. Yeah, the effect here is
• 46:07
  brilliant and I love that it it's low resolution.
• 46:12
  Yeah, because the VHS is low resolution.
• 46:16
  I that's better quality than a lot of the VHS is a couple of
• 46:19
  what I watched down the years. Hang on, am I watching the
• 46:22
  Silurians? I'm.
• 46:23
  Going to say if you could extrapolate Planet of the Daleks
• 46:26
  from the VHS of Planet of the Daleks eyesore then that's
• 46:29
  bloody good tech. It's a 7th generation death of
• 46:32
  the Daleks, I think you know. Through the snowstorm.
• 46:36
  But it's great because then you can.
• 46:38
  Are they using the wall now? I don't know.
• 46:40
  Yeah, they were for this one, yes.
• 46:42
  It means that if it does look like a dodgy CSO effect or
• 46:45
  whatever they call you, it's meant to be.
• 46:47
  It's meant to be, yeah, Yeah. Listen, actually it took a lot
• 46:51
  of processing power to sort of make it look kind of 3D, but the
• 46:55
  low resolution has helped a bit with that so that it could look
• 46:59
  a bit creepy and weird. So.
• 47:01
  But I do think. Question for years then go on.
• 47:05
  Given obviously we're seeing a lot of money on the screen now,
• 47:08
  and we've got a lot of money spent over 8 episodes, would you
• 47:12
  bear in mind that you have disagreed with everything I've
• 47:14
  said about the length of the series so far?
• 47:16
  Would you have preferred to see that money spread out over 10
• 47:21
  episodes or are you happy to think like a 12 episode budget
• 47:26
  has been squished into 8? I think the big problem here is
• 47:30
  that there isn't time to make Doctor Who as fast as they used
• 47:36
  to make it, in the same way as when the series came back, there
• 47:39
  wasn't time to make Doctor Who because technology had moved on.
• 47:42
  And everything takes a lot longer to do.
• 47:45
  And I think although you've got these brilliant special effects,
• 47:48
  it takes longer to do them than than before, so you can only
• 47:54
  have eight episodes to actually get them made in time to get it
• 47:58
  out. But if you kind of take the
• 48:02
  effect out of that, if you think, well actually that's
• 48:06
  let's not do digital effects, that is, let's just have some
• 48:08
  monsters in latex running around the streets of Cardiff as the
• 48:13
  big part of the week, we could maybe have a few more episodes.
• 48:17
  I again, I don't think you can get away with that now.
• 48:22
  I think because there's so much I, I know special effects are
• 48:26
  not the be all and end all of everything.
• 48:28
  We're Doctor Who fans know that, but I think in the climate of TV
• 48:33
  that this is going out in as a big science fiction fantasy,
• 48:38
  whatever show, you've got to have those effects to get the
• 48:42
  audience with you now. And it's a bit.
• 48:45
  Of a like a Star Wars effect from.
• 48:47
  Yeah, I think so. And I think it's the Star Wars
• 48:49
  and Star Trek effect. And if you look at all those
• 48:52
  shows, they are only doing this number of episodes or whatever
• 48:57
  each year because they've got huge effects things.
• 49:00
  And if you're making things in ultra high definition or
• 49:04
  whatever and 4K, then you haven't it.
• 49:09
  The process of doing that is so much longer.
• 49:13
  And it's what what Steven Moffat said of as soon as you go into
• 49:18
  into HD, everything has got to be so much more.
• 49:22
  The precision of how you make it has got to be so much more
• 49:27
  because of that. And then you get the same same
• 49:29
  thing sort of moving on as you go.
• 49:31
  And this is an effects heavy show.
• 49:33
  This isn't like some standard BBC gangster drama which are
• 49:38
  just filming out on the streets. This is this is a lot of studio
• 49:42
  based stuff. This is a lot of effects work
• 49:44
  and it all takes time. I think you're asking the wrong
• 49:47
  question, if I'm honest. And I, I think the question
• 49:51
  should be not about special effects, but why is this better
• 49:54
  as a shorter season? Because we've cut out all the
• 49:57
  flap. You look at those thirteen
• 49:59
  episode seasons and there's always three or four that are
• 50:02
  just all right. They're just OK.
• 50:04
  And if the pay off is that perhaps we don't have quite as
• 50:08
  much emotional resonance, but the quality of the overall
• 50:11
  episodes is so superior. I will take I would I would
• 50:16
  reduce 13 episode seasons that we've already had down to 8
• 50:20
  episodes to get to get them to match the quality of this
• 50:23
  season. I think that's it's a bit like
• 50:26
  saying, you know, a six part's too long, So what you're going
• 50:29
  to cut out to make it a four parter.
• 50:30
  That's what I always ask, you know, if you're going to cut
• 50:33
  those thirteen part series down, what you're going to lose.
• 50:38
  Well, look, we did have a six parter in the flux and it was
• 50:40
  even better than this season. So the shorter we go, the better
• 50:44
  it gets. But that was that was very much
• 50:49
  one story, wasn't it? This was very much telling one
• 50:54
  story in six parts, whereas this is like you see very much six
• 50:57
  individual stories that's so distinct in style and approach
• 51:03
  and what they are trying to do with the story that they're
• 51:05
  trying to tell in this series. I think it's a little bit
• 51:07
  different in that respect. And if this doesn't have the
• 51:11
  emotional resonance that it could have had it played out
• 51:13
  longer, had we had more time with Carla, etcetera, etcetera,
• 51:16
  I think it, it gets to the point plot wise a lot quicker.
• 51:21
  And I think that works really well.
• 51:22
  And this scene is a brilliant example of that, that the stuff
• 51:25
  they set up in the Church of Ruby Rd. the stuff they set up
• 51:28
  in space babies and all of that, we're, we're pulling it all
• 51:31
  together a lot quicker in such an enticing way.
• 51:34
  So I think there are there are things that have improved
• 51:38
  because the the season has been condensed.
• 51:41
  But I do, I agree with you with the emotional remnants because I
• 51:43
  wasn't really feeling too much for Ruby at this point because I
• 51:46
  just haven't had enough time with to feel it.
• 51:48
  So it sort of swings around abouts.
• 51:50
  It's more Carla for me. It's we haven't had enough time
• 51:53
  for Carla. We'll have a, you know, in
• 51:55
  Rogue, you have a seam which felt very shoehorned in where
• 51:58
  the doctor is, you know, explaining to Carla.
• 52:02
  Yeah, I'll bring her back, see if you know.
• 52:03
  And that really had no purpose. No, it it didn't belong in that
• 52:10
  story. That should.
• 52:11
  Have been it was exactly like the scene in Alias of London
• 52:13
  World War Three, where she goes we can you promise me in fact,
• 52:16
  there's so many rose beats there's so many rose beats
• 52:19
  beyond. Four at lots this year.
• 52:21
  Yeah, again, that's that same thing.
• 52:23
  That's what the shorthand. Missing the series is missing an
• 52:26
  episode where we do go back and we spend a bit of time with
• 52:29
  Carla. You know, if we had another, you
• 52:32
  know, even 73 yards would land better if we're in this season,
• 52:36
  if we had another episode with Carla and basically where we can
• 52:41
  explore a bit more about, you know, the relationship between
• 52:44
  Carla and Ruby, and we could have that scene in another
• 52:46
  episode. But we can't in this season
• 52:49
  because there just isn't enough time.
• 52:50
  So we've had to squish it somewhere where it doesn't
• 52:53
  really belong. But in the end of the day, they
• 52:55
  have only got 8 episodes to do with, but they have banked two
• 52:58
  seasons. So I think the moments that
• 53:00
  you're asking for are coming because we know Ruby Sunday's
• 53:03
  going to be in Series 2, and so at the end of Series 2, you'll
• 53:05
  probably get that big climax with Carl and this big officer,
• 53:09
  whatever you want to call it. But again, then then it kind of
• 53:13
  goes back to what I was saying, you know, has he chucked too
• 53:15
  much at this series? Is the more that I?
• 53:17
  Think so. I think I think some of this is
• 53:18
  going to bleed into the next season anyway.
• 53:21
  And the fact that they've banked the two seasons, they've done
• 53:23
  them together means he can sort of plot out two seasons in one
• 53:26
  go. And.
• 53:27
  I'm quite happy to bookmark this podcast and, you know, come back
• 53:29
  to it at the end of Series B. Oh.
• 53:31
  We will Fraser. Oh, don't you worry, you will
• 53:33
  be. It's not like we won't be doing
• 53:35
  that. But so here we are.
• 53:37
  We've got the TARDIS possessed, which is a brilliant, that isn't
• 53:42
  that brilliant Effect I. Do believe Johnny Morris may
• 53:44
  have done that in a comic strip at one point as well, You know,
• 53:47
  so I think Russell. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's an
• 53:50
  old, old thing, isn't it? It's we we had a back in a comic
• 53:55
  strip in the 80s in the Stockbridge horror when
• 53:59
  something got into the TARDIS and it's that image.
• 54:04
  No, I'm, I'm, I'm saying was that not the toy maker?
• 54:06
  But that was the the 8th Doctor one, wasn't it?
• 54:09
  But one thing we've never had on TV, and I, I think it's one of
• 54:13
  the best moments of this episode, is the bit where the
• 54:16
  TARDIS starts making that noise in the UNIT base that that low
• 54:19
  grumbling ground and suddenly everyone's looking at the TARDIS
• 54:23
  and for for the first time, it's not our safe haven.
• 54:26
  It's like, what the fuck is going on with the TARDIS?
• 54:29
  It's like those moments where it's possessed in the doctor's
• 54:33
  wife where suddenly the police box.
• 54:35
  Is really. This was better than.
• 54:37
  That but this, yeah, but on another scale.
• 54:40
  Yeah, that that noise and we've heard it in Wild Blue Yonder,
• 54:43
  we've heard it in The Devil's Chord, we heard it in Rogue.
• 54:46
  So again, that's all been all been signposted.
• 54:49
  Yeah, I think we need to shout out to to Colonel Chidosy at
• 54:52
  this point. Last much longer, so you better
• 54:56
  get on with it. Well, he's he's, he's gone
• 54:57
  already. The mouth, yeah.
• 54:59
  He was good. The minute he stepped, I don't
• 55:01
  know if you guys felt this, but the minute he walked behind the
• 55:05
  tortoise and the camera didn't follow him, that was it.
• 55:08
  Then I knew he's gone. Yeah, he is.
• 55:10
  He's a goner. That was another sort of like
• 55:12
  level of, you know, intensity of, you know, I'm holding me
• 55:17
  breath now because I know that Colonel Giidozzi's a goner, but
• 55:21
  it's not. His Smokey Ashley corpse is just
• 55:24
  like Marcus Scarman in Pyramid. I was just going to say that I'm
• 55:26
  sorry. Sorry.
• 55:27
  Clue is all there. Joe, the clues.
• 55:30
  Are all there. We were so dense, weren't we?
• 55:31
  Sorry. I'm very dense when it comes to
• 55:35
  twist time. I'm.
• 55:37
  Especially. There it is.
• 55:38
  There it is. Can I tell you guys, I sent you
• 55:40
  a message in the thread earlier about there's one little scene.
• 55:42
  It's a very small scene in this episode and it gives me chills.
• 55:46
  And actually it's my second favorite scene of the of the
• 55:48
  season because my favorite is still the last scene in Don
• 55:51
  Bubble. I don't think that I'll ever be
• 55:52
  top. It's the bit where the Doctor
• 55:56
  slides down the wall, the lift, and then Mel comes up to him and
• 55:59
  goes, are you done now? Stop grizzling and get on with
• 56:03
  it in a way that nobody really talks to the Doctor like that.
• 56:07
  And yet you've got Mel Bush, companion of the 6th and 7th
• 56:10
  Doctors there, friend of the doctors for years and years and
• 56:14
  years, basically saying, right, you've been crying all season,
• 56:17
  come on, let's get on with it. And just glorious.
• 56:21
  Right back to her very first scene where she is the only
• 56:24
  person who gets to tell the doctor what to do and she's
• 56:27
  going exercising and all of that.
• 56:30
  That is something that has been in her character all right from
• 56:34
  the start. And that's it's a lovely call
• 56:37
  back. I've just thought of that on the
• 56:39
  spot. So there we go.
• 56:40
  And the whole. Thing about her being this sort
• 56:42
  of bonkers Mel, when I think back, she always was was.
• 56:46
  She was a bit weird. Yeah, but I just think no one
• 56:49
  ever gave her a character. It's such like any character in
• 56:53
  on her now. It's such an offbeat, inspired
• 56:56
  choice to bring back Mel and to bring back Bonnie Langford,
• 56:59
  who's utterly embedded herself in the public consciousness.
• 57:02
  Yeah, and not to feel, even though she's like completely
• 57:06
  different, it doesn't feel like it's not our mill.
• 57:10
  No, if, if because she's smart like that and she's doing all
• 57:14
  the things she's showing us, all the things she could have done
• 57:18
  in 1986 and 1987, that because no, no one was bothered with her
• 57:24
  character whatsoever. And I'm still furious with
• 57:26
  Andrew Carmel saying, well, we didn't really know what Mel's
• 57:29
  character was. You're the fucking script
• 57:31
  editor. Give her one.
• 57:33
  It's not difficult. You can do anything with.
• 57:36
  Her. Oh, it's just this.
• 57:37
  It's playing out now. Look, although look, she gives
• 57:40
  him, she goes. Are you finished?
• 57:41
  Good. For her.
• 57:44
  Ghetto in fix it. Yeah.
• 57:46
  Oh, I see. Wonderful, isn't it Wonderful?
• 57:51
  And then if that wasn't good enough, we get the wonderful
• 57:54
  scenes now with him and Susan Triad as well.
• 57:57
  Yep. Where we actually feel very like
• 58:01
  lot very sympathetic towards her when she starts talking about
• 58:04
  the dreams, as we still don't know, do we, what that is all
• 58:07
  about. No.
• 58:08
  And that's that's still still to come.
• 58:11
  If it's another hard wave, Bad Wolf, I'll be like Russell T
• 58:15
  Davis, I mean. You go back to well do Yonder.
• 58:19
  That's when Susan twist first appears.
• 58:22
  That's when the groaning of the TARDIS first appears.
• 58:25
  If you ask my opinion, I know he's all love to hear it.
• 58:30
  The TARDIS is picked up Suitek at this point and Suitek
• 58:35
  hitching a ride on the TARDIS and he has been the whole time.
• 58:38
  So everywhere the TARDIS goes, his avatar appears because tiny
• 58:42
  winey, you know. So it's it might be intentional,
• 58:46
  it might not, but it's literally just the influence of Suitek on
• 58:49
  the TARDIS. I saw a brilliant theory that
• 58:52
  probably isn't true, but just this wonderful theory of in
• 58:57
  Pyramids of Mars, where you get that scene right at the start
• 59:00
  where Suitek appears in the TARDIS for no apparent reason.
• 59:05
  Is that the moment where Suitek has actually hitched a ride in
• 59:09
  the TARDIS at while he's sort of going down the time tunnel at
• 59:13
  the end and has been and has been there the whole time since
• 59:18
  since then? I like to think of Suitek like
• 59:20
  Captain Jack in Utopia. The side of the TARDIS we can't
• 59:27
  see. Oh my God, can we just have a
• 59:31
  breath for Susan Triad little dance in a minute?
• 59:37
  I mean, it's a very political season, this isn't it.
• 59:41
  Like it is really stabbing saying political.
• 59:44
  Things, yeah. I mean, we had the Morris
• 59:47
  Gibbons Lane of yeah, definitely not the Prime Minister that's
• 59:49
  coming in here. But that Theresa May dance, I
• 59:54
  mean, my Mark keeps doing it. It keeps coming in rooms and
• 59:57
  doing that stupid dance. He's silly, though.
• 1:00:02
  Now, did you suspect that this woman, Harriet, was?
• 1:00:08
  I, I stupidly spent the thing where they said, oh, H Harpinger
• 1:00:13
  thing. I'm sure I've seen that twist
• 1:00:15
  somewhere before and I could not think where it was.
• 1:00:18
  And of course, it was a few weeks ago and I'm really thick.
• 1:00:22
  I'm thinking, why is Russell T Davis pinched that from
• 1:00:24
  somewhere else? I think we don't suspect her
• 1:00:27
  because Morris is there as well. And so it's two new characters.
• 1:00:30
  If it had just been 1:00, we'd be like, well, who's this now?
• 1:00:32
  I. Think what it's again, it's a
• 1:00:37
  bit clever. It's kind of like, yeah, I've
• 1:00:39
  done that twist once and no one's going to expect me to do
• 1:00:42
  it again again. But rest assured, every single
• 1:00:46
  time a character appears in series B with the first name
• 1:00:49
  beginning with H. People are going.
• 1:00:53
  To be like that, Leonardo DiCaprio.
• 1:00:56
  To go back to the pointing in Barbinger.
• 1:00:59
  Question you asked earlier about all these different arc threads
• 1:01:03
  in this seasons. I think you do have to do layers
• 1:01:06
  of deception now because people are so tuned into this stuff.
• 1:01:08
  I think you have to distract with some things so other things
• 1:01:12
  get. Partly.
• 1:01:12
  And Russell T Davis is very is really the master of
• 1:01:16
  misdirection. He's like a like a magician and
• 1:01:20
  like in phrases favorite film in the Prestige.
• 1:01:24
  It's that how do you pull the trick off?
• 1:01:26
  By showing people things that they're looking for and they're
• 1:01:29
  not seeing the thing that's right under their noses the
• 1:01:31
  whole time? Because you want to be deceived
• 1:01:34
  and you want and you want to play along with all of this.
• 1:01:37
  I would actually go, Oh my God. I.
• 1:01:42
  Cannot believe I'm about to say this.
• 1:01:44
  Mark. Mark Cochrum is about to get a
• 1:01:46
  massive stiffy. I actually think Moffett is the
• 1:01:49
  master of deception and Russell has learned a lot from Moffett.
• 1:01:52
  I think he's Moffett can very cleverly point you in that
• 1:01:56
  direction whilst doing things over here that you're not even
• 1:02:00
  looking at that that sort of pay off and actually this, this is
• 1:02:04
  this is disagree with us. Oh my God, what's going on?
• 1:02:08
  Because I think what Moffett, what Moffett does is he wants to
• 1:02:12
  hide everything in plain sight. So he wants you to be very much,
• 1:02:19
  you know, that was there all along.
• 1:02:21
  You know, there's Russell's kind of doing that with the the the
• 1:02:25
  anagrams as well a little bit in this.
• 1:02:28
  But I think, you know, Moffett is, you know, wants you to
• 1:02:30
  appreciate how clever he is by the time you get to that point.
• 1:02:34
  Whereas I. Think whereas Russell's not
• 1:02:35
  interested in that. Really does want you to be
• 1:02:38
  deceived. You know, he because he's, he's
• 1:02:41
  that kind of TV viewer, isn't he?
• 1:02:43
  That he's, he's sort of steeped in that.
• 1:02:46
  He doesn't want to make it to, obviously doesn't want to be
• 1:02:49
  Sherlock Holmes. Whereby, you know, you, you read
• 1:02:53
  a Sherlock Holmes book, you never guess who it is.
• 1:02:55
  There's no possible way you can figure out who did it because
• 1:02:58
  you know, it's like Sherlock Holmes will turn up and say,
• 1:03:00
  well, I'll tell you what, Watson.
• 1:03:01
  I went out for a walk in the dark and I found some cigarette
• 1:03:04
  ash. And that cigarette ash I I know
• 1:03:06
  comes from a particular brand. Of yeah, it's more Agatha
• 1:03:11
  Christie where you've got the puzzles and you can put it
• 1:03:14
  together and if you're smart enough, you've put it together
• 1:03:17
  slightly before the reveal. Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah. I think the Moffett.
• 1:03:22
  Moffett wants to be Sherlock Holmes.
• 1:03:24
  He wants to be once you sit there and go, Oh, well done,
• 1:03:26
  Sherkomes, how clever of you. Well done.
• 1:03:27
  I think Moffett does surprise me more, but I think Russell lands
• 1:03:30
  his surprises better, like with with more drama and more more
• 1:03:36
  melodrama usually. But then I think the best
• 1:03:40
  surprises I've had in New Who have come on in Chipmel's time.
• 1:03:43
  It was the end of the spy fall future to do things like that.
• 1:03:47
  You know, those were the best surprises I had because there
• 1:03:49
  was no hint at all. Not because tribunal there's
• 1:03:52
  like, yeah, I am literally going to surprise you with this.
• 1:03:54
  I'm not going to give. You, I'm not going to tell you
• 1:03:55
  anything at all. I'm not going.
• 1:03:57
  To get any clues, I'm literally just going to, you know, I don't
• 1:04:00
  want us to figure this out. I genuinely want us to be, you
• 1:04:03
  know, jump scared or whatever while watching this.
• 1:04:06
  But one thing Rossi Davis does better than Chipman and Moffett
• 1:04:09
  put together, I think, is deliver a penultimate episode
• 1:04:13
  cliffhanger. I think he's the brilliant
• 1:04:15
  Master right here. He did it in Bad Wolf, he did it
• 1:04:18
  in Sounded Drums, he did it in Army Ghosts, he did it in What's
• 1:04:22
  the Other One, Stolen Earth. And he does it here as well.
• 1:04:25
  Like, you know, in a way that everyone's suddenly on Twitter
• 1:04:28
  going 10 out of 10, best episode ever, you know, in that sort of
• 1:04:32
  mad, furious way. It's it's a good cliffhanger,
• 1:04:35
  but not necessarily a good episode.
• 1:04:37
  I think that's where you guys and I think.
• 1:04:39
  Yeah, but that's very Steven Moffett as well, especially in
• 1:04:41
  Series 6. It's a great cliffhanger.
• 1:04:44
  I'm a lousy episode. This isn't a lousy episode,
• 1:04:47
  though. No, it's not.
• 1:04:48
  It's not. I think, you know, you look,
• 1:04:50
  those cliffhangers you've got, I think that the best one is the
• 1:04:57
  doctor getting shot, You know, because you genuinely look at
• 1:05:02
  that and you think what the fuck is going to happen next?
• 1:05:05
  Oh, Sound of Drums for me. I watched Sound of Drums 10
• 1:05:09
  times that week. I did.
• 1:05:11
  That no, I did that with The Stolen Earth.
• 1:05:13
  I think that's a phenomenal episode.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah, I think the ending of that and I think Moffett goes one
• 1:05:19
  better with Pandorica opens because.
• 1:05:23
  You know. What absolute silence.
• 1:05:27
  What he describes. Very.
• 1:05:27
  Exciting, he describes. He actually destroys the
• 1:05:30
  universe. It's.
• 1:05:31
  Like with a whimper, though Fraser with a whimper.
• 1:05:33
  The threat is that the universe is going to be destroyed.
• 1:05:36
  So you kind of expect the plot to be resolved before that
• 1:05:40
  point. But he goes, no, actually,
• 1:05:41
  that's going to be me cliffhanger.
• 1:05:42
  I'm going to destroy the universe and then I'm going to
• 1:05:44
  spend an episode explaining I'll get out of it.
• 1:05:46
  That's that's the cleverness of that.
• 1:05:48
  It's a stunning cliffhanger. The Pandora opens, but I think
• 1:05:52
  the Cliff I read Army a Ghost got everyone jumping out of
• 1:05:55
  their seats and ringing their friends.
• 1:05:57
  Whereas I think the silence at the end of the universe was sort
• 1:06:00
  of like, oh, that was good. It was the regeneration that was
• 1:06:04
  the one that really, really got everyone.
• 1:06:08
  Yeah. How much does Susan Twist look
• 1:06:10
  like Marcus Scarman in a minute in the distance?
• 1:06:14
  Is that why she's wearing that sort of bright suit?
• 1:06:17
  It's probably a call back, isn't it?
• 1:06:19
  I mean if you can do it. Though I bring Suit X gift of
• 1:06:23
  death to all humanity. I mean, it's proper horror,
• 1:06:27
  isn't it? It's real horror, of course.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah. All the hardest is making
• 1:06:33
  noises. The weird clouds going crazy.
• 1:06:38
  There's always coming out of the dark.
• 1:06:39
  The woman's chanting. The God of all gods has
• 1:06:44
  returned. I can't.
• 1:06:45
  Believe him has been it was it was the moment where he said and
• 1:06:48
  his name is set that I thought, oh God, oh right, oh fuck.
• 1:06:53
  He's. Done.
• 1:06:53
  I'll just shout out to Mark. No, he's not.
• 1:06:56
  He's not. He is.
• 1:06:57
  He is. It's a great reveal.
• 1:07:04
  It was the wrong anagram, and it wasn't even an anagram.
• 1:07:08
  That's such a. Shit line, isn't it?
• 1:07:11
  It was the wrong anagram. And just to remind us, it's
• 1:07:15
  Doctor Who with this shitty CGI dog, he.
• 1:07:19
  Got his eye colour wrong. Yeah, but I love the zombie
• 1:07:24
  though. Zombie Susan twist.
• 1:07:25
  Zombies good, aren't they? Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  The Zombie Susan and the Zombie Harriet.
• 1:07:32
  And this man is so stupid. They'll say it.
• 1:07:34
  Get away from her. Oh God, the way she looks at the
• 1:07:37
  camera. Yeah, zombies.
• 1:07:39
  Goodness of that. Yeah.
• 1:07:43
  And really, like, if you if it's a penultimate episode, yeah,
• 1:07:46
  like, surely the this is the most important part of this
• 1:07:49
  episode. Yes, I'm watching next week at
• 1:07:53
  the cinema or whatever. Oh.
• 1:07:57
  Look at this I. Hate that gift of death to all
• 1:08:01
  humanity. When Russell T Tables phoned me
• 1:08:05
  up and said I was going to be playing all these parts, he
• 1:08:06
  didn't say I was going to be slapped with Latex.
• 1:08:11
  I want Ruby in the snow. That's a lovely image as well,
• 1:08:14
  isn't it? And her mum's coming towards
• 1:08:17
  that, all the build up. Yeah, and there's still a lot to
• 1:08:21
  answer here. I mean, there is, isn't it?
• 1:08:25
  Because all that you go into this thing and there's going to
• 1:08:28
  be, you know, questions answered, there really isn't.
• 1:08:33
  No, no, there's no. It's all.
• 1:08:35
  Questions We still don't know who Mrs. Flood is.
• 1:08:38
  We still don't know who Ruby's mom is.
• 1:08:40
  We know that Susan Twist is, or Susan Triad is Suitex Servant.
• 1:08:49
  You know that. That's all we really know.
• 1:08:50
  We've got a bit of the Susan Twist mystery solved, but
• 1:08:54
  everything else is still really open the air, isn't it?
• 1:08:57
  And we've got Shooty's first cliffhanger face.
• 1:09:00
  It's wonderful and you know what, someone did a side by side
• 1:09:03
  comparison with Shooty Gatwa and Elizabeth Slayden when the
• 1:09:06
  mummy's going for her and the facial expression was exactly
• 1:09:09
  the same. Yeah, well look boys continued.
• 1:09:14
  What I'm going to suggest is we do our three fabulous things at
• 1:09:17
  the end of the second episode because we've got 15 minutes and
• 1:09:21
  Fraser has put out on Twitter for insane predictions from the
• 1:09:26
  Ham fam before. We do that.
• 1:09:29
  I want our insane predictions. Oh Christ, sorry I first.
• 1:09:35
  OK, well, I'm going to go with the with the theory that I'm
• 1:09:40
  going to stick with my theory that Mrs. Blood is Romana and
• 1:09:43
  that's that's my thing. And that the doctor will defeat
• 1:09:47
  Zutek. But there will be a bigger
• 1:09:49
  mystery underlying this. That Zutek is the is the
• 1:09:53
  Mcguffin that is hiding something bigger or smaller or
• 1:09:59
  more important behind it. I'm going to predict that
• 1:10:04
  there's going to be some similar beats to last of the Time Lords
• 1:10:08
  that we are going to see, because we've seen that scene of
• 1:10:11
  all the smoke going through all the sand going through London or
• 1:10:14
  wherever it is. So we're going to see the
• 1:10:16
  devastation that Sue Tech could bring to the whole world.
• 1:10:20
  You know, maybe even a call back to that bit in the Devil's
• 1:10:23
  Court, that fabulous sort of in London.
• 1:10:27
  And I think the conclusion of the story will absolutely be
• 1:10:31
  tied into Ruby's mum. But that isn't just going to be
• 1:10:35
  but whoever that is. And I'm absolutely convinced
• 1:10:38
  it's going to be Helena Bonham Carter.
• 1:10:40
  And I don't know why because I know Russell intervened when
• 1:10:43
  Helena Bonham Carter was approached by Chris Chibnall and
• 1:10:47
  said no, don't take that role from Chris Chibnall, I'm going
• 1:10:49
  to give you a better role and I'm coming back and I'd swear
• 1:10:52
  she's going to be Ruby's mum. That's my prediction.
• 1:10:55
  She's just let's play Nollie. Well, I was trying to find the
• 1:11:01
  the synopsis for the next week's.
• 1:11:05
  So because it does say something along the lines of, you know,
• 1:11:07
  the doctors defeated these timeless enemies one, you know,
• 1:11:12
  and which I thought we're going to get a proper sort of Steven
• 1:11:15
  Moffati type end game and enter this where it would be like,
• 1:11:19
  yeah, suit like is revealed, but then does exactly what suit X
• 1:11:22
  going to do when like destroy the Earth.
• 1:11:24
  And then it's going to be like Avengers end game and you're
• 1:11:26
  going to have to kind of work backwards from that to save it.
• 1:11:29
  So yeah, obviously suit X going to be defeated.
• 1:11:32
  Wouldn't could take that as? Fraser because.
• 1:11:37
  It's outrageous. Outrageous.
• 1:11:39
  I figured this was going to be called Sue Tech.
• 1:11:41
  Who from now? On how is that going to happen?
• 1:11:45
  Well, there's probably going to be a Deus somewhere.
• 1:11:48
  Ah well. Yes, I mean, yes.
• 1:11:50
  Someone, no one's wait, Stephen Moffitt's been rested in his ear
• 1:11:54
  going no, don't do that, don't do that.
• 1:11:55
  I'll think of site cleverer. But, you know, we're going to
• 1:11:58
  have, you know, a lot of sort of emotions on the way.
• 1:12:01
  There's going to be a lot of drama.
• 1:12:02
  There's going to be a lot of, you know, excitement and.
• 1:12:05
  Emotion. There'll be lots of emotion.
• 1:12:08
  Or we're going to find out who Mrs. Floyd is.
• 1:12:10
  I think we will find out who Mrs. Floyd is.
• 1:12:12
  I'm not entirely sure we'll find out who Ruby's mom is, but I
• 1:12:16
  could be wrong on that because the other thing that synopsis
• 1:12:20
  said was that the future of the earth lies in one woman dot dot
• 1:12:23
  dot. So that could well be Mrs.
• 1:12:26
  Floyd. But I actually think it's Cherry
• 1:12:27
  Sunday. Oh, wouldn't that be wonderful?
• 1:12:30
  I think what's going to happen is there's going to be like some
• 1:12:32
  big sort of like climatic showdown between the Doctor and
• 1:12:35
  suit deck. You know, suit decks going to be
• 1:12:37
  lording it over the Doctor. He's going to be sort of like on
• 1:12:39
  his knees and UNIT HQ and then Cherry Sunday's just going to
• 1:12:41
  storm through the door and go with someone gave me a cup of
• 1:12:44
  tea and. If that's the ending, he wins
• 1:12:48
  all of Doctor Who. Well, we know how powerful tea
• 1:12:52
  is in our Russell C Davis Doctor Who.
• 1:12:54
  And she's been asking since church on Ruby Rd., doesn't she?
• 1:12:58
  Well, I'm not at the star of tea.
• 1:13:00
  Is it going to be like a Duggan style pay off with the punch but
• 1:13:03
  it's going to be a cup of tea instead?
• 1:13:04
  Chucking a cup of tea over suit tech.
• 1:13:07
  We'll destroy him. Right, let's go to Twitter.
• 1:13:11
  OK, let's go to Twitter and we'll we'll see who agrees with
• 1:13:15
  me. We've got Peter Sharples.
• 1:13:18
  Peter Sharples says RTD Deus Ex machina ending.
• 1:13:23
  We've also got K9 recaps who says whatever happens Cherry
• 1:13:27
  Sunday, we'll finally get a cup of tea.
• 1:13:29
  Yeah, my God. So they are in tune with you.
• 1:13:33
  Hellsworth says Ruby drops herself off at the church after
• 1:13:37
  finding her baby self abandoned somewhere else.
• 1:13:40
  Suitek will be defeated easily. With my earlier point being the
• 1:13:43
  main focus of the episode. I'll have to go and find what
• 1:13:45
  your earlier point is. Hellsworth, Sorry and Mrs. Floyd
• 1:13:48
  will remain a mystery for the next season.
• 1:13:50
  But you know that thing about Ruby dropping herself off when I
• 1:13:54
  first watched Churchill Rd. where you saw it in the cinema?
• 1:13:56
  Yeah, I I figured that was the case, but I had to think that
• 1:13:59
  would be too easy now. That would be too obvious.
• 1:14:02
  Will I am never knew he was a fan, but there you go.
• 1:14:05
  The lamppost could be a TARDIS with a functioning comedian
• 1:14:08
  circuit that broke down trapping the Ronnie who was masquerading
• 1:14:12
  as in a Mrs. Flood anagram of Ronnie, Rain, rain and floods.
• 1:14:17
  RTD does love an anagram. Oh, I mean I would love to see
• 1:14:21
  the row on the back, but I. Have to go and read these from
• 1:14:24
  the top actually because I think and read them out of order.
• 1:14:26
  I do love these people that only use, you know, Doctor Who
• 1:14:29
  continuity as their explosions for everything.
• 1:14:33
  Dave, Rennie. Hi, Dave.
• 1:14:35
  Hello guys. I think.
• 1:14:38
  I think the hooded figure will be Mrs. Flood, but she is not
• 1:14:41
  Ruby's mom. She was asked to leave her there
• 1:14:44
  and keep a watch on her. By dot dot dot.
• 1:14:47
  The real Susan. I'd be the first to say it ain't
• 1:14:50
  Susan or Ronnie, except that, but Susan's name keeps coming
• 1:14:53
  up. Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  Box. Set.
• 1:14:55
  No, they're, they're leading up the summit with Susan.
• 1:14:58
  There's no way there will be all these drops.
• 1:15:00
  Well, we thought that with with Series 10, didn't we?
• 1:15:03
  And then we didn't get that at all.
• 1:15:05
  But I think it's been more prominent here, yes, and lots of
• 1:15:08
  discussion about who she is. Yeah.
• 1:15:12
  Paul Quinn says it's RTD, All his season finales are the same.
• 1:15:17
  The only one that really works is the end of old season one
• 1:15:22
  brackets, maybe four as he's quarter of having made the
• 1:15:25
  scripts more simple. It's going to be more fucking
• 1:15:27
  stupid and emotional than usual. We're already at the shit
• 1:15:31
  anagram stage. Oh, I love you, but still trying
• 1:15:34
  to shit over everyone's good time, all right?
• 1:15:37
  Dan Hollsworth. Plus season 28 as bad as you
• 1:15:39
  think so on go. Dan Hollingsworth I'm hoping the
• 1:15:44
  unit time window also has a floppy disk port as well as AVHS
• 1:15:48
  slot, right? And a disk man.
• 1:15:53
  Also, more seriously, if they don't have an epilogue of the
• 1:15:57
  Doctor popping back to finally see Susan at the end Honey
• 1:16:00
  grandfather, then they've wasted an opportunity.
• 1:16:04
  Where's my doctor? The original.
• 1:16:07
  I do wonder if Susan will be in. It's a Christmas special.
• 1:16:10
  You know, I'm wondering if that's going to be the big
• 1:16:12
  Caroline Ford episode. Oscar Groucho.
• 1:16:17
  It's the lamppost lads. Ruby's mother is pointing at the
• 1:16:20
  lamppost. The lamppost wasn't there in
• 1:16:23
  church on Ruby Rd. I'm getting serious.
• 1:16:26
  Last of the Time Lords vibes in how this episode is going to be
• 1:16:29
  plotted. PS I'm planning a superb, superb
• 1:16:33
  bit of art for the finale. I've I've seen that, I've seen a
• 1:16:36
  preview of it. It's very, very good.
• 1:16:38
  Always send it to me as well, so we're in the know.
• 1:16:42
  Everyone's obsessed with this, with this lamppost, continuity,
• 1:16:45
  era or plot point. Well, maybe it's and dot and
• 1:16:49
  Bubble had a prominent lamppost scene.
• 1:16:52
  Oh my God, what if there's been a lamppost in every?
• 1:16:54
  Yeah. It's the same lamppost appearing
• 1:16:58
  through time. It's all going back to Narnia.
• 1:17:00
  It's all going back to the doctor, the widow in the
• 1:17:02
  wardrobe. Ruby's Marge is going to be.
• 1:17:05
  It's Marge. It's Marge from.
• 1:17:07
  Doctor Mrs. Flood in CS Lewis. Oh, sorry.
• 1:17:11
  Well, Speaking of Mrs. Flood, Daniel Warnsley says Mrs. Flood
• 1:17:15
  is not of this world. Neither is Ruby's mother.
• 1:17:18
  Maybe she is Susan the doctor and Kate will fall out.
• 1:17:22
  Caroline Ford will give a performance that will stun us
• 1:17:24
  all. Think it.
• 1:17:27
  Always does. Like RTD finales, the verdict
• 1:17:31
  will be that it didn't live up to part one until we all change
• 1:17:34
  our minds in six weeks. Good.
• 1:17:37
  Work, Daniel. He knows Doctor Who fans,
• 1:17:41
  doesn't he? He does.
• 1:17:43
  We've got Gareth Bowley who says Ruby is the child born of 73
• 1:17:47
  yards divergent Ruby and as such she has a power that can vanish
• 1:17:52
  Zutek. It likely cut off Ruby from the
• 1:17:55
  doctor. That is bad shit.
• 1:17:56
  Crazy, but I love it. That's.
• 1:17:58
  Brilliant, isn't it? I like that.
• 1:18:00
  The Gareth that ain't going to come to be, but please write
• 1:18:02
  that story for us, all right? No, not the main probe, which I
• 1:18:07
  think is from. Who corners corner?
• 1:18:11
  Corner, corner. Yes, Mrs. Floyd is actually a
• 1:18:13
  biblical plague. And also Horus.
• 1:18:16
  She has robot mummies in her kitchen dressed in pennies.
• 1:18:19
  I'll play. Do some more.
• 1:18:22
  Don't we all? She does some mumbo jumbo on
• 1:18:25
  Ruby, who it turns out has a secret snow power which will
• 1:18:28
  banish Suitek to the dimension in which Rogue is imprisoned and
• 1:18:30
  take her with it. Oh my God, Paul for showrunner.
• 1:18:36
  If he's bringing back Suitek and he doesn't bring back mummy tits
• 1:18:39
  then. Yeah, then we're.
• 1:18:41
  All quiet. I've had no opportunity to say
• 1:18:43
  it. Yeah, I hope there is a mummy
• 1:18:44
  next week. Sean, the Mondassian sidekick.
• 1:18:48
  The Doctor will go back to visit Susan Foreman.
• 1:18:50
  At the end, they will have a heartfelt reunion, and when the
• 1:18:53
  Doctor leaves, there's a hint of a golden glow about to emerge,
• 1:18:56
  suggesting that Susan may be about to regenerate.
• 1:18:59
  Carol and Ford will reprise Susan briefly.
• 1:19:03
  Chris Hogben the actor. Hello Chris.
• 1:19:06
  Hello Chris. The actual Susan twist is Mrs.
• 1:19:09
  Floyd is Susan laughing emoji. UNIT are angry with the Doctor
• 1:19:13
  and they will take a more adversarial role going forward.
• 1:19:17
  Oh. No, I don't think that's going
• 1:19:19
  to happen. I don't think that's going to
• 1:19:20
  happen because Rusty Davis was saying, but how he's going to
• 1:19:22
  keep having old characters coming up in that unit set all
• 1:19:25
  the time. He's kind of basing this on the
• 1:19:27
  look that Kate gave the doctor. I think that was just a moment.
• 1:19:31
  Yeah, she just lost somebody. Brad Wolf Ruby is Ruby is
• 1:19:39
  Susan's child. She left herself at the church.
• 1:19:45
  Susan will come here at the end. We won't find out everything
• 1:19:48
  though, including who Mrs. Flood is.
• 1:19:50
  Ruby will stay behind on Earth. The first spin off will be
• 1:19:52
  announced next week. There's a guy, Brendan Jones.
• 1:19:58
  Anyone know him? Oh, I've.
• 1:19:59
  Heard of him? Nice guy, little.
• 1:20:02
  Is he packs quite well into those wrestling outfits.
• 1:20:06
  In fairness, the word saying that everyone's a little
• 1:20:08
  compared with you. That is very true, but he is
• 1:20:12
  particular. Are you talking down?
• 1:20:14
  But like no, please move on. Duzan will appear, played by
• 1:20:19
  Caroline Ford. Mrs. Arya Flood is a projection
• 1:20:23
  of River Song from within the library date.
• 1:20:25
  No, please no. She's done it before in the name
• 1:20:30
  of the Doctor. Anything but that.
• 1:20:34
  Brendan gives some alternatives for Mrs. Floyd.
• 1:20:36
  Allegra is my second choice for Mrs. Floyd's first name.
• 1:20:39
  Celeste is at the outside, but it doesn't fit in with the
• 1:20:43
  melody slash song theme. Oh.
• 1:20:47
  Brendan. Andy Drews I think it's all a
• 1:20:52
  dream and Ruby wakes up only to find she's fallen asleep in
• 1:20:54
  front of the TV on Christmas Day while watching the Doctor Who's
• 1:20:57
  special. She drowned herself into the
• 1:20:59
  episode, and now the master of the land of fiction has her
• 1:21:01
  prisoner in a chronic hysteresis.
• 1:21:03
  No, she's a supermarket worker and she goes, I've had this
• 1:21:06
  wonderful dream. Oh, I'm happy.
• 1:21:08
  The Doctor Who's? Got cold connections, Who says?
• 1:21:13
  I predict the doctor will run around a lot and recite his
• 1:21:16
  dialogue really fast. Well, yes, that's a good.
• 1:21:19
  One DJ Alpha T in the house, Mrs. Floyd might be connected to
• 1:21:24
  Horace, Niall, Floyd, Rebirth, etcetera.
• 1:21:28
  There will be a cow land for Cameo, Ruby might not be real
• 1:21:32
  and my big prediction? Mel is going to die.
• 1:21:35
  No. You can't kill Mel the horror.
• 1:21:39
  Either killed or sacrifices herself to save the Doctor.
• 1:21:42
  No, I think we'll be seeing Mel for some.
• 1:21:44
  Time. You know what that that thing
• 1:21:46
  about Ruby? One thing we keep forgetting is
• 1:21:51
  that there's that scan that the doctor did right at the start
• 1:21:56
  that hasn't been touched on and is is there in plain sight.
• 1:22:01
  And yeah, who knows? Right, I've got a few more to
• 1:22:05
  read form Joe's retweet, so Mark Donaldson.
• 1:22:09
  Hello, Mark. It's an RTD finale so I expect
• 1:22:12
  lots of exciting moments and great imagery that doesn't make
• 1:22:15
  a lick of sense. Shoot, he steals David's
• 1:22:17
  tortoise when he's not looking because his suiteki one has
• 1:22:20
  become destroyed. The destroyed tortoise becomes
• 1:22:22
  remembered tortoise from tortoise tales.
• 1:22:26
  That could give a good explanation and as to why the
• 1:22:28
  two Tardises were there, yeah. Ian Work.
• 1:22:31
  Ian Banks This Suitek is actually a no thing from well
• 1:22:35
  beyond that that successfully killed an impersonated original
• 1:22:38
  Suitek. The Doctor will defeat him by
• 1:22:41
  dancing very slowly to the diegetic music.
• 1:22:46
  James H. The time window accidentally
• 1:22:49
  creates the Memory TARDIS. Mrs. Floyd is the Harbinner, the
• 1:22:52
  Horus. Ruby's mother is Ruby from the
• 1:22:55
  Suitec infected future and has used the Memory TARDIS to go
• 1:22:58
  back and place the Ruby that eventually imprisoned Suitec,
• 1:23:01
  causing the reset switch ending because it does have to be a
• 1:23:04
  reset. Yeah, there will be a reset
• 1:23:06
  somewhere, definitely. And Gavin?
• 1:23:08
  Paid for it. Gavin Bicep, The Doctor will
• 1:23:13
  defeat Zutek. He won't get a cameo.
• 1:23:15
  We won't get a cameo of Susan. And we still won't know who Mrs.
• 1:23:18
  Flood is. OK, sport, there's a Pete
• 1:23:23
  Lambert. Oh, all of him.
• 1:23:26
  Actually pops up now again with with checking out and Kate's
• 1:23:30
  going. To fire pops up every now and
• 1:23:31
  again. Kate's Kate's going to fire
• 1:23:37
  everyone who has to be paid full adult.
• 1:23:40
  Wait, minimum wage? Fair.
• 1:23:44
  Get that kid out of here. Place the workforce for slave
• 1:23:48
  kids, Andy. Parkinson she should get rid of
• 1:23:51
  Rose, right? She don't do much.
• 1:23:55
  Andy Parkinson says I'm hoping we get an appearance by Susan,
• 1:23:58
  possibly Carol Ann Ford. I wonder if the Triad tech will
• 1:24:02
  somehow be used to defeat Suitek.
• 1:24:05
  Why is everyone so keen to see Carol Ann Ford?
• 1:24:08
  Does nobody remember what a dreadful actress she is?
• 1:24:17
  Oh no. Jeff Richardson, your law
• 1:24:20
  master. Apparently Ruby is Satan's
• 1:24:22
  daughter and also the only person that can defeat him.
• 1:24:25
  Satan's daughter. OK.
• 1:24:28
  Missus Flood is some sort of TV demon.
• 1:24:31
  Mel and Doc will ride their scooter up and around the new
• 1:24:34
  unit building. The lovely Joe Short does keep
• 1:24:38
  it short and says Susan is Ruby's man.
• 1:24:42
  I've had that from DJ Alpha Tea. I've got a Mark Harrison
• 1:24:45
  sticking to my original bet that Mrs. Floyd is Ruby's mom.
• 1:24:49
  She's older, yes, but time travel?
• 1:24:51
  I still think she's the likeness of the characters currently
• 1:24:53
  around and the likelist to shock Brian May when Anita Dobson told
• 1:24:57
  him about it. Oh yes.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah. Also, Sue Tech sings walk like
• 1:25:06
  an Egyptian. Oh please.
• 1:25:15
  Any more? Four more to go.
• 1:25:17
  Andrew Blair Next season's new companion is Susan, having
• 1:25:20
  regenerated out of Anita Dobson mode.
• 1:25:24
  TWWASC. That's the with the small
• 1:25:28
  collection. OK OK so I think everyone is
• 1:25:32
  going to get an on screen death apart from best girl.
• 1:25:35
  Mel will be in the dock. I think those three will be
• 1:25:37
  saved somehow and then the three of them will fight Suitek.
• 1:25:40
  But one thing's for certain, there will be a huge reset
• 1:25:42
  button at the end of Reset the Universe, MA Salko Suitek ends
• 1:25:47
  up trapped in a junkie VHS recording.
• 1:25:50
  Oh please. Like the?
• 1:25:52
  Wind last one we've got to read out is Colin Hicks and Ruby as
• 1:25:56
  some sort of avatar of the Eye of Horus and thus the key to re
• 1:25:59
  imprisoning Suitek. Mrs. is in a siren working
• 1:26:04
  against him, potentially Isis. A lot of people have are
• 1:26:07
  thinking about horrors coming in, aren't they being in the
• 1:26:09
  guise of somebody we've already met?
• 1:26:11
  I am going to make one last ridiculous prediction.
• 1:26:14
  OK, hurry up, I've got a run. Yeah, we have got the unit set,
• 1:26:18
  we have got Mel, we have got Rose, we have got Kate
• 1:26:21
  Lethbridge Stew, we have got the blinks.
• 1:26:23
  The only thing where you're really missing from the giggle
• 1:26:26
  is David Tennant. I do.
• 1:26:31
  Think Catherine Tate. I do think we're going to see
• 1:26:34
  David Tennant, yes. I think we're going to see both
• 1:26:37
  of them, actually. The absence of the 14th Doctor
• 1:26:39
  is going to be a little bit too conspicuous.
• 1:26:41
  Yes, I, I think that again, Russell has said, oh, there's no
• 1:26:46
  way David Tennant's story is done.
• 1:26:49
  I think for all I'm saying Cherry Sunday is going to storm
• 1:26:52
  through the doors of the climactic end with the the Power
• 1:26:56
  Slap on Suitec. I think that could well be the
• 1:26:58
  14th Doctor. Well, there are some enticing
• 1:27:02
  predictions there from the Ham fam.
• 1:27:05
  We'll be back next week with the TO.
• 1:27:08
  See who's right and who's the. Rousing stroke, disappointing
• 1:27:13
  finale. Depending on which way we fall.
• 1:27:16
  Boys, can we go out by singing Walk Like an Egyptian please
• 1:27:21
  This. Is.
• 1:27:25
  The worst? Guy, you bring sutax gift of
• 1:27:32
  shit karaoke to all humanity. And I'll cut it there.