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EP 28 - How Women Are Breaking Into the 4WD Lifestyle | Girls Day Out 4x4 Edition · Off Grid Down Under by MDC

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_05: So Girls Day Out is female training.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_05: Teaching women how to four-wheel drive, camp, caravan, adventure.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_05: So it was very much of and I still have this mentality of why can't I do it?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_04: But do you think that there's still that um stigma that it's a it's not really a girl's world?
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: They've got the skill to drive.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: It might be just that little bit of confidence thing.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: I normally do one to two trips and then I don't see them after that because of that confident.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_04: Come the advanced day, I'll put it on its side.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_05: Like I personally can't even say that I could go on a trip by myself because yeah, you could.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think the more you're gonna sit there and go, no, I need to do this, I need to do this training, I need to research this, is the more you're gonna stall it.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_05: So just go.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: Hi everybody, welcome to another edition of the Off Grid Down Under Podcast brought to you by MDC.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Sam.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: Hi.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: This is Mark Banks or Banksy from Beach to Bush Adventures.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: Hi everyone.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we have Anya who's joined us from the office today.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we have a special guest, Cassie, from Girls Day Out Forward Adventures.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_06: Hi.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for joining us, Cassie.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: Today's a little bit different.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_03: We we sort of have, I guess, some we have special guests on, and often they're about product or things like that, but your product's a fair bit different.
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  SPEAKER_03: So just a bit.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: It is a bit.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: So look, thanks for coming to join us.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: You're I'm not actually I'm not even going to try and preempt what this episode's about.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'd like you to explain it.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want to tell us a bit about yourself and what is Girls Day Out?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_05: So I'll start off with what Girls Day Out is actually as.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_05: And then I'll go into a little bit about me, because it makes sense doing it that way.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_05: So Girls Day Out is female training.
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  SPEAKER_05: So we go around the country at this co at this stage, the east coast of Australia, teaching women how to four-wheel drive, camp, caravan, adventure, literally anything you could think of to get you off-road and enjoy this country.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_05: Amazing.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_05: We teach it.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_05: So years ago, oh Jesus, how old am I now?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_05: Would have been about 15 years ago, I actually started in the automotive industry.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_05: And I started as a salesperson.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't know about you, but when I first started, I very much got told you just need to sit at the desk and act as a receptionist.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_05: And that didn't work for me.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I got- I don't think it'll work for an year old in this class.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_05: I became very well, I was already stubborn, but I started to show people that I was very stubborn.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_05: So I would go out and start learning the catalogues and start going to the fitters and go, right, what do I need to do this?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_05: Now at the stage I had little to no experience, and growing this, I ended up becoming the best salesperson in our office.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_07: Cool.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_05: That then moved into me going into dealerships and becoming service advisors and started to get actually certified in the things that I was doing.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_05: And I noticed everywhere that I was going, I was the only female.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_05: And I had girls come up to me and go, Well, what did you do to get there?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, Well, I worked my behind off to get there.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_05: But it shouldn't be so hard to do that.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_05: It should be really simple and straightforward.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like anyone else going into a sales role role or parts role, it should be completely equal.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: When I was doing the four drive sales, I had ladies come up to me and go, I don't know what to fit.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what I need.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm sitting there, the way my ADHD brain works, I go, ooh, what could I do with that?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_05: So I started talking to girls, like I in the groups I was at the time.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_05: I started going, Oh, well, let's have beginner days because you've got you've got all these cars, but you guys are all too scared to actually physically take them out.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_05: So let's go to the beach.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Let's take away all the scary elements and make it really, really simple.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_05: And that's where that sort of started.
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  SPEAKER_05: I ended up leaving that group because the toxicity of groups that there are around.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_05: And I went, you know what, let's create this thing.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_05: So we created our very first event, which was at Gatton at the time, and we estimated maybe 30, 40 girls.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_05: We had about 80.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_07: Wow.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_05: And from then, even my husband was like, No, this isn't this is not a thing.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he was very, very surprised when he walked out that day and was like, Oh my god, there is people that want to learn this, and it's not just girls, but people in general that are too scared to ask the questions they want these safe spaces to ask them.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_03: There is a perception.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm involved in four-wheel drive clubs and banks that you're involved in clubs and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a perception, I think, that in the four-wheel drive world there's sort of this already expected level of knowledge that you should have when you join.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we've found a similar experience that yeah, you have a come and try day, and we get everybody that comes out with their stock, four-wheel drive, and they're just like, oh wow, it's not that big a deal.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: And you've broken down those barriers, just giving them a nice little walk-in, but you're taking it to that next level and offering it for women in, I guess, probably a very safe environment.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: 100% uh unassuming, non-judgmental makes it quite welcoming.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, we take all those elements out as well as when you're there's nothing worse, especially as an experienced forward driver, when we're out and about and you've got 20 people watching you that you have no idea who they are, it just adds that extra level.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_05: So if I can be their safety barrier of literally sitting there going, no one's watching you, you just do you.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_05: Just focus.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So how did you get into forward driving originally?
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  SPEAKER_03: Just through your dealership, you've always been a rev head or auto head?
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, my dad wanted a boy, so that's a really good start.
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  SPEAKER_05: But it started for me from a young age.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, I was very much not a girly girl, I didn't wear dresses and nothing like that.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_05: So it got to a point where my parents gave up with the girly girl life.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, you do you.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_05: So I'd be out there with all my cousins and that who were males, and we lived on a farm, so I used to just drive cars randomly, and then mum and dad realized, oh, you're actually pretty good at this sort of stuff.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_05: So it just grew.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_05: And at the time I had boyfriends and whatnot, and they were going off-road.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, well, why can't I?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_05: So it was very much of, and I still have this mentality of why can't I do it?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_05: So I think that's where it really started from.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_05: I've always never been scared to go, right, let's jump in a car and go, what's the what's the worst that could happen?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you always just wanted to go experience it, right?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_05: 100%.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, Banksy, I'm gonna throw it to you because you do tag long tours and things like that.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: Are you seeing a bit of a trend in women coming out?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_03: I know you have mentioned you've had some solo women travellers come and join your tours.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I've had a lot of um new neuter vans and uh solo ladies.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, towing and things like that.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: Towing as well.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've had ones that um do that first trip and then they want to go, they come see me and saying, I really want to do the beach.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: I really want to do the beach, and having you there, I want to take the van along as well.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do you do smaller tours?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yep, we can organise that.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um and they come along and they loved it.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: That confidence of other people not around, um one-on-one, uh makes a real big difference.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then you've got ladies that are um in couple situations and they just want to start um exploring this great state and even further afield.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: And they normally do one to two trips, and then I don't see them after that because they're confident um they can go do free camps, they can do longer distance driving to um they become that comfortable that they move on.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um you get other ones that will come back only because they just like the atmosphere and the activities that we do.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, cool.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_03: So, Cassie, I think you alluded to a minute ago, but what's your core mission behind Girls Day Out?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: Is it to see girls come along and find your group and keep coming back to your group?
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Is it see them build their knowledge and go off on their way and spread their wings?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_05: Very similar to you.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's build their knowledge and grow their wings.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing, I think for myself, there's nothing more empowering than getting a bunch of ladies through that either have little to no experience or it could just be a confidence issue where they come to you, they gain all this confidence, and then they're like, Okay, cool, bye.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_05: Because then you get you still see their advance.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_05: Well, for me, seeing on social media, I still see all their adventures.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_05: And the stories we get from them meeting other women from the courses and the adventures we do, they all go out together.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_05: So they're all exploring everything together, and I think that's more empowering to see them go out and do it with the confidence they've gained from us than them keep coming back.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_05: We do get a lot of ladies that the same similar thing where they like coming back because they like the atmosphere, they like what we're doing.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_05: We're kind of like a safety net.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I'm nothing wrong with that.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_05: If you find that's your thing, then that's great.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_05: But there's a bunch of women that do just go and get what they need from our day and go do what they need to do.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_04: And also on your website too, I see that you've got like the weekend for girls.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: So you can just go along and learn different aspects of four-wheel driving, but then you can have that social event where you can put all that together and still feel you know, you've got someone to ask questions, which I think is a really cool idea.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: Well, 100%.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_05: So this is we've done tag along tours before, but it creates a very different because I like to do the whole bush to beach component because that I like everyone to get a little bit of everything.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_05: But I call them our icebreaker days or icebreaker trips because they're still in that stage where yeah, they might have the confidence to go out, but that doubt in their mind is still there.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, what if something goes wrong?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_05: So this is where our social days have come in because we can still help them the entire time.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_05: If they get stuck, we can still run them through.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, did you remember how to do your recoveries?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_05: Let's do it.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_05: It's things like that.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_05: We're still that safety net, but at the same time, if you want to go off explore, I'm a radio away.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like there's nothing wrong with that as well.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_05: That's where we've created those days for that.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: So it's And I guess that's where I find with our trips, it's all work.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's all like we get to get to go to some really amazing places, but it's all we're on a schedule, we're shooting content.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be here in four hours.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so and we're halfway up a hill somewhere.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_04: I yes, I've towed on beach, I've towed, you know, out back um rock ledges.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: Rock ledges, yeah, big Spanish steps out in Utah in the middle of Moab Desert.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_04: But I never get the opportunity to sort of sit back and understand what I do and don't know and put that into practice.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: So where I sort of know I can do it, but I actually don't really know if I got stuck on my own, what do I do first?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_04: So because I've always relied on the boys just to get in because we're we're on a schedule, we've got to get going fast.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_04: So I think that would be a really cool idea to go along to where you can just relax and do what you love doing, but still learn at the same time.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's still having that, as I said, safety net there where you can be like, right, I really want to give this a go myself, like we do, NUSA, for example.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's where they can go, right, I'm gonna come with you, we're gonna park up because I usually have a schedule for the day, not OCD at all.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_05: But my I usually have a schedule with the for the day.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_05: But then when we park up, they'll be like, Well, I want to go further, or I want to for Noosa, I want to go hit access one instead.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, off you go, radio me if you need me.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like there's nothing wrong with going, I want to challenge myself a little bit more, and going out for that.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: So uh banks of probably actually for Anya.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: What's what was sort of the common fears that you've experienced when you've been obviously towing or off-roading or something like that?
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_03: Who's someone who's relatively new to it in a yeah, you go around those trips and yeah, it's there's blokes everywhere in big trucks and things like that.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_04: What I guess just when I'm towing, I'm for I forget that I'm towing.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like often when we did the Brabie Island trip and I I forgot that I was towing the 19 behind me because it just towed so easy and I was in 300 series cruiser, which is a a blessing to drive.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_04: But sometimes I forget that and I think, well, I need to make sure that I don't get stuck with the tides coming in, or you know, that sort of thing.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_04: So I guess just putting it all together.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um and you do feel a little bit of pressure because the boys are watching, you are on film as well.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and also you don't want to break things.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: So that's probably my big thing.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we've got a lot of a lot of money out there on the beach with all the vehicles and and vans.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so I guess I'm not scared.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like I know I can put my foot down.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'm not scared of it.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: You're just conscious of the situation.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot happening all at once.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe be maybe being overwhelmed.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_04: I was really scared, and I wish we had the in-car.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want to talk about America?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we were stuck, uh, we were snowed in on a mountain and we had to get out this certain day.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_04: And I was towing, I don't know, I think it might have been a 15, and Vaughan's gone way ahead.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: And he said, just give it to it.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm giving, but I've never, I've always been careful of towing.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_04: And the van was side to side behind me, and I'm screaming.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: I got out, I said to Craig, I can't do it anymore.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: And he came running back and he said, Are you okay?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: I said, No, no, I'm not.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_04: And I just burst into tears.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_04: That was the only time I've been scared, only because I had no control and trying to protect the van.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_04: When we got to the next stop, Vaughan said, Oh, don't run about the van, you just just get out of there.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like, well, if I'd known that, I would have just done it.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: Just gone for it.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Banksy, what do you see?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: I guess.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: Do you see things that I guess women are hesitant about when they're what are their common behaviours or so?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that they've got the skill to drive.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: It might be just that little bit of confidence thing.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you throw a van on the back, it's different again to a car.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so then they're like, Oh, what happens if I do get stuck?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Are you not gonna get me out?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: But we planned everything so that it's always a falling tide.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it gives you plenty of time if if if things went really bad.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um but once they experience it and they drive it, they they're like, Oh, okay, I'm alright.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: But then you might come to you've arrived at camp.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you've done the onto the beach, soft, driven along.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: There's been a few where the waves are pushed in because the tide's still heading out, and there's little soft bits, and they go, Oh, that slowed me down.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: You rock up at camp and there's that big sand embankment track to get up into your site, then they're worried again.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then you just go back through all the skills, just watch the first car go through, um, and then when you commit, just hold your confidence, and it'll put the car and the van will do its thing, and once you get over the top, you come down there.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a different feeling if you haven't done it before, that's for sure.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the um and when it comes to the solo part, like the safety part, um just giving them good choices of what to do.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um and even if you are on your own, there's nothing wrong with not stopping at that spot and moving on to the next spot where you can see that there's a few vans here.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: And when you do pull up, there's little tricks and tricks you can do, and that's like um park off beside a uh tree so a car can't go up against your door, all that sort of stuff, because that's what I teach them.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: And um it makes them feel comfortable that they can go out and just repeat that.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_03: Is that consistent with what you see or put it?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_05: Very much so.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_05: You'll see, especially beach bushes, very, very different, but with beach, you'll definitely see the girls that'll first get on the beach, and then that access is always scary for them, especially if they've never done it before.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: So then they get scared through that access, they get past that, that confidence slowly builds.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_05: And you can see it in them that that confidence builds, and then they get a soft spot, and then it starts to you see the confidence go.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's very much throughout the entire trip, we'll do it's very much like a wave through for them.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_05: And when you can finally see like set up a camp or whatnot, they get out of the car, they might be shaking, but they are absolutely their body's doing completely different to what their face is, but they you can see that confidence because then the next morning when we go, right, let's pack up and go, they go, Yep, let's go.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like you can definitely see that confidence has grown.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: And same thing, their vehicles are completely capable.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's one of the things, and this is newbies in general when they get out.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_05: They've their cars, their vans are completely capable.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's the self-doubt within them.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_05: Of course.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: So that women focused environment, how does that differ, do you think, from uh I guess to a turn up to a club, just turn up to a four-wheel drive club in your experience?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_05: Judgment.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's there's always kind of that underlying judgment, and this is in the industry, and I absolutely despise it, but it there's very much that underlying judgment that the men will judge the women and what they do.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_05: Not always, but there is still with some people, there is that judgment there.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_05: And even going to shows, four-wheel drive shows is a big thing.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_05: I could sit there and talk to women all day, but as soon as I get a male in the crowd and they sit there and shake their head at something, I say my confidence instantly drops because I'm like, Well, did I say something wrong?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_05: Am I not right in my information?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: I and I'm it's very similar when you go to clubs and things like that and the meets, you instantly go, Okay, well, is my car not good enough?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: Am I not good enough?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_05: Like you can, it's kind of like you're doubting yourself.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's not what they may be doing, but you're definitely doubting yourself.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: I just feel like you can ask any question.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um sometimes, you know, um with if I'm with the boys on a work trip, I'll just say, look, this might be a silly question, but like and you do sort of feel a little bit intimidated because it might be the dumb girl question.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: But if you're in a group situation with just girls doing the same thing, then you would probably feel that okay, when you hear some of the questions going, oh, that was actually something I was thinking of, then you get that answer, and then you might feel like you can ask more questions that you think silly.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_05: 100%, and we do get a lot of that happening.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like I will have a bunch of the girls obviously come to the show this weekend and they won't ask the questions.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_05: But then as soon as they come to our first event, they're like, hey, I have this list of questions I want to ask.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, let's go.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: So good.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: So for myself who I spent a lot of time travelling and learning, um, what's some of the biggest shifts that you've seen in women once they've gone along to some of your events?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and how do you like how have you seen them after their workshop has ended?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um, definitely with confidence has grown, but our biggest thing that we've seen after is they're a yes lady.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like you want to go on an adventure?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_05: Like you you they see that that fire's been lit in them.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_05: So it's instantly of okay, so we're gonna go out this weekend.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_05: Do you want to come?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, let's go.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like it that's always the reaction.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's not okay, I need to see my schedule.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_05: It's like, yeah, when are we going?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_05: So it's it's definitely that fire's litten, litten lit.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and they're getting out and they're wanting to go out and explore rather than sitting there going, right, should I do it or should I not?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_05: So you definitely see that.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_05: It that there's a big difference there.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that would be really cool.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and do you find like once they have learned a few of the skills like basic recoveries and understanding the vehicle, how that completely changes what they what they're planning to do?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_05: So we we do get a lot of the girls that have like your smaller cars, like your gymneys and whatnot, and they'll go, Oh, I really want this rooftop tent and this and this, and I'll go, well, that's not for you.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's not gonna happen.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_05: But they don't get told that when they buy these vehicles or when they're researching that.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_05: They just go, I really want to cook up, and that's what I like, and that's great.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_05: But it doesn't do what you want it to do.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_05: So I definitely with modifications, they start to understand our workshop days we do, our mechanical days, they're great for that because then they'll start to go, oh, I want to put this and this and this on, and we go, right now you've got to look at possibly doing a GBM upgrade.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_05: They go, Oh, I didn't think of that.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like you start to see their brain tick with that, and it's very much a light bulb moment throughout the weekend where they will have this idea of how they want their car set up, and then they get to like 10 o'clock and they go, Oh, I didn't think of that.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not just about football driving and learning the techniques, learning how to drive or how to tow, but also learning about how to what what equipment you need.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's that's half of my I I wouldn't know where to go either, like because I just rely on the boys to have it all.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_05: Well, with all of our beginner days, they've literally been designed around beginners.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_05: So you can come in a high on I-30.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_05: I really don't care what you come in, but it's there to step your fit feet in the water to go, okay, so I want to buy a cute or I want to buy a wagon, I want to buy this or I want to buy that.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's definitely it's planting that seed for them.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_05: And for a lot of them, they will see all these Instagram people going, Oh, I have this really cool gymney, or I have a 79 series, and then all of a sudden, like, I've got a big patrol.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_05: They will love the idea of big patrol, and then they get in and go, I can't drive that.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_06: It's way too big, yeah.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_05: And but that's what they need.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_05: They don't get that option when they're buying these vehicles.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_05: That's where we created that beginner day for them to jump in and out of each other's vehicles and see what another car's like and how it drives and what's actually involved to modify it if that's what they want to do.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: So what what are the the workshops or the the days that you offer?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: So you have a beginner's day and workshop days.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: What else is there?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_05: So we also do an advanced.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_05: So that is that is my fun one because I absolutely love throwing my car at a wall and hoping for the best.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: That is my bread and butter.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_05: And the girls will see me go really not soft, but nice and quiet on our beginner days.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_05: Like I don't do much with the patrol.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_05: Come the advanced day, I'll put it on its side.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Like that that's what it's designed for.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: Our advanced day is designed, okay, if everything fails, what do we do?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_05: And there are things that don't really get taught as much anymore, they don't get discussed as much.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like with our advanced day, we go over rollovers.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_05: Because God forbid it does happen.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_05: What do you do?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_05: What do you do?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: So it's So let's just break that down.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: So then from a beginner's day, what do we what walk us through a beginner's day workshop with somebody that comes out and does first time they've come to see you.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: What do they do?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_05: So our beginner days are very different to like your social groups and whatnot.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_05: So we obviously do recoveries, we do your track ID depending on what location.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: So track rating you're talking about?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_05: No, identifying your track, so where you should be sitting in the city.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, wheel placements and things like that.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_05: Um recoveries, and depending on again, location.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_05: We then go over tires.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_05: So what tires you should have, how to change a tire, how to do puncture repairs, that sort of stuff.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_05: We go through each individual car so they can understand how to put it in low range, high range, what's good for them for the auto cars, how to actually use their gearing properly for that location.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_05: And then we go over camping.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_05: So we teach them how to camp.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_05: So that that is a very a hard one, like our very first one we did.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_05: We had caravan and camps there, campers there, and a lot of the girls went, Oh, this is really easy to set up, like this is not difficult at all.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_05: So that's where we wanted to keep that camping section in because we can talk about 12 volt, we can talk about a swag versus rooftop tent, what's good for you, what's not.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_05: There are things that don't get discussed.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_05: You just walk into a showroom and go, that looks cool.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like you don't, unless you're planning everything step by step, you don't think about okay, is that going to be practical for me?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_05: So that's where we wanted to put everything on display and they can go in and out of everything.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_05: We go through drawers.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_05: Everything you could do to traveling as a beginner, we go through.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there's nothing we don't.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: Discuss.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_05: As for our mechanical days, that's when we go down suspension stuff.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_05: We go over tires again because some of the ladies don't come to a beach day or a bush day versus a mechanical day.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_05: And we go over GVMs because it's yet again a thing that can become very, very confusing.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's a big web of mess, as I say.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: So you talk about weight in vehicles and just packing them and putting it out.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: How to pack them, etc.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_05: We are in the process of actually working on a towing one.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_05: Because we do get a lot of ladies that are unfortunately widowed or their partners can no longer drive anymore.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_05: And it's very much, I know for me, I hate towing.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_05: I absolutely despise of towing.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_05: If I have to, I can.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_05: But there is always that fear there.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: So if we can have a safe space that we can give that as an opportunity where they can jackknife a trailer.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_05: They like we the area we're doing at is a complete open heavy vehicle pad for heavy vehicle testing.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_05: So if they want to jack knife it in the wrong spot, if they want to nick o uh knock over a cone, go for it.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like no one's gonna judge them in that space.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_05: So that's where we want to every event has a purpose and every workshop has a purpose behind it.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um then the advanced stuff.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: You talked a bit about yeah, rolling over, rolling.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: What have you got?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: A GQ or a G U?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: G U.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: G U, okay, that's a big car to roll over.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_05: That's not as difficult as what people think of it.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: I've had her on her side way too many times.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: But obviously it doesn't all come down to that.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's about obviously line selection, finding the limits of your uh A capability, willingness, vehicle, all that type of stuff.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so we go over winching as well, because with our beginner stuff, a lot of them, the moment we go, all right, we're gonna do complex winching, they go, No.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_05: And you can see the panic on their face instantly going, What do you what do you mean I might do that to my car?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_05: You can so we wanted to take that scary side of it out of it.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_05: 100%.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_05: So that's where advanced aid, yeah, we do go over silly stuff.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_05: We do go over more of your heavier modifications, some of your different track IDs.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um we do it out at the springs, so there's a lot of heavier tracks out there that we can point cars up and the girls get terrified halfway up.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_05: We get them up, then they go, Oh, that wasn't that bad.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um and definitely winching as well.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_05: Winching is most of our day.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_05: So we go over every single winching thing there is, every single recovery there is.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do recoveries and things on on your trip to Banksy?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um I when I do the beach one, I do recovery um stuff.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: But when we do our normal camping trip, um if we're going through a national park doing a uh dirt track going down, we'll do a talk about um tyre pressures, um, engaging low gear.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um if you've got a full drive and the van in the back's three and a half tonne and you're a three tonne when you go down that hill, it's gonna push.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: So having a correct gear selected before you do that, um, that's very important.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um even for when we went to Queen Mary Falls that time, um spoke over the radio about guys, we come to the section there where it's really steep, it's quite windy.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: I just want you to select one gear and we're just gonna hold that.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about what the other traffic's doing, and we're just gonna go up, keep that constant.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Once we get over the top, slip back into drive, let the car do its thing, um, and then just do the warning of, oh, we're gonna be turning right after the sweep and bend.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just make sure you back off.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um so we teach that.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have um spoke with Alison about she wants to do a girls' day where it's just girls and we're gonna do four drive recovery, snatch strap, extracts, digging, what the difference it makes, the difference in tire pressure.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: So they're looking forward to doing that.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just a matter of getting a day to squeeze it all in.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: So the people that are coming into the off-road lifestyle, do you think the biggest challenge or overcoming is necessarily the ability to learn the skills or the self-confidence thing?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's a bit of both.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_05: I think there's also so much influence in the industry where you really if you're brand new into it, you get torn five ways to Sunday.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_05: So I think for a lot of people that are first coming into it, obviously the first thing they go to is the YouTubers, the influencers, and go, well, they have it, so I should have it.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_05: Rather than going, right, what's good for me, what do I want?
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's the first step that when you're starting off, the first thing you need to do is go, what do I want?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: What am I achieving?
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_05: What do I what's the end goal here?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's talk to somebody.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, talk.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_05: But starting there, because as bad as it sounds, mostly influence, they get paid to run whatever their so of course they're gonna go, this is the best gear out because they're paid to say that.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_05: Where and as followers, you instantly go, Oh, I well then I must run that.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_05: If they're running that, then it must be good.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and that's not always the case.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_05: And everyone is different, every vehicle is different, every setup and every purpose is completely different.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Your end goal in what track you might want to cover is way, way different to what I want to cover.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_05: Like myself and my husband are perfect example.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_05: We'll go forward driving, he's great for sightseeing, so he'll go park up and just enjoy it.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: Where I'm like, right, that track, like that, let's go.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_05: Let's go.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, 100%.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_05: We're completely two different people when it comes to that.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_05: And everyone is different.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone has a different purpose with why they are forward driving or traveling.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that's I think where the community side comes in.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: We've got owners' groups and things like that where people are always sharing advice and ideas and things, and a community around a club or in your group, you have Girls Day Out group.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's about people understanding having the having the the network to be able to talk to people about what they're trying to achieve and do and get their peer review peered opinion rather than an influencer opinion on things that are necessary and whatnot.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_04: So that's like our MDC solo ladies um group group on Messenger.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: So there's a group, I'm not sure, I think it's about like 20 or 30 girls or ladies on there.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um and they all might just pop in a random question if they're out stuck somewhere or something's not working.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um and we've got Lincoln, Steve, Zamet on there that they answer very, very quickly.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: And you also see the ladies communicating with each other and organizing the meetup somewhere, and and oh, I'm going to be there, so I'll be there a week later, I'll see you there.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_04: So that's really cool to see that they've got that support, but they're also a bunch of ladies doing what they love doing as well.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, well, we started a Facebook group.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_05: I hate Facebook groups, but we started a Facebook group purely for that, so that way the girls can ask each other's questions.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_05: And it's simple questions of hey, I live in this area, what's the best mechanic in the area?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's really simple questions like that, or hey, I'm going out next week, who wants to come?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_04: Or maybe even like, oh, I forgot what we did that weekend.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_04: Can you remind me to say I'm out going shopping or yeah, something like that?
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: 100%.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_05: So with our Facebook group, we've started posting lists of what you need for the beach, what you need for the bush, or anything else in between.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_05: So that way, if they're not sure on what they need to shop for, then it gives them kind of like a breakdown of what to expect and what to buy.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_05: And they they add it generally most of them, will add it to their list, and it's kind of like that okay, this week on payday I get to buy this.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's their little shopping list, which is good.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_04: And there's still that connection with the girls that they've met on the event, so they've still got that, you know, um a way of communicating all the time and staying in touch.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_05: And we post a bunch of photos up there after each event because that's what everyone wants these days, is their Instagram photos.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_05: So we post a bunch of them up and then they can do what they want with all of their photos.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_05: And it's cool because they're kind of when they're in the car, they just think they're going over these little tracks, and then when they see the photos of the sand flicking up or them actually lifting a wheel, they go, Oh, I did that.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's yet again it's adding to that confidence a little bit.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so with the outdoor industry becoming more inclusive, do you think that there like we've still got a way to go for the ladies to feel included in that, or do you think there's still barriers of of them trying to learn recoveries and what equipment to buy?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: But do you think that there's still that um stigma that it's a it's not really a girls' world?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_05: I think there's still a little bit of stigma there.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_05: I I definitely think there's still that barrier that we need to overcome.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: It is getting a lot better, especially in the past 15 years I've been involved.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_05: It has become a lot better.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_05: And I think we can start to see that with like the female companies and the female influences coming out and all that.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_05: There's definitely it's it's growing.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_05: Do I think it's a hundred percent equal yet?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_05: No, yeah.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_05: I still think there is that limitation, and to be honest, I probably there probably will always be that little bit of limitation just because there is that view on from a women's perspective as well, it's always do I belong?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I think we'll kind of always have that.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_05: So it's getting over that that's going to be the difficult part, which I think's more of an us thing than an everyone else thing.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_05: But it's it's getting better, it is definitely getting better.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: I do see, like we've been to Springs Park, we've been to um there's not a lot of New South Wales, I can't think of the name right now, but um, where I personally have driven up some crazy stuff, and the boys are going, Oh my god, I can't believe you've done that.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like, so even in Springs, you see other ladies out there, and they the men actually cheering them on at the end of the day.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: Because they're like, oh my goodness, she's like, she's pairing in.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_05: They are great supporters out there.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_05: We love, I go to the springs just for a week and escape.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_05: I'm probably you're probably the same.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_05: When you when you're doing this business, you don't tend to have a day off, you're always working.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_05: So when you're doing your trips, I'm still working.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_05: So I still don't get to have that fun trip.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: And then when I do my con my YouTube episodes, I'm still working, producing the content.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't really get those days off where I can go, oh let's just go have some fun.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_05: So when we do, I'm really close friends with Lucas.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_05: So he will sit there and he'll be like, right, you're gonna do that one today.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_05: I'll be like, no, I'm not.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: Have you done Bureau Club?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_05: No, not yet.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_05: I have a rule.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_05: I one, my car's only just gone back on the road properly.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_05: But two, I need sliders.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: That is my number one rule.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_05: Once I have sliders, I'll quite happily hit it.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I don't have sliders currently.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't done that.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: The other argument to that is sliders will reduce your clearance.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_05: So if you just clearance is not an issue for me.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: Clearance is not an issue at all.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_05: I'm good there, I'm good there.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_05: But I I wanted to put a locker in it first before I did attempt it, so that way I would obviously try it unlocked.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'd try it unlocked because that's the goal.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_05: But you know what?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_05: If all else fails, then I have a magic button that will make me get up there.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_05: But I definitely the rule is sliders.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_05: I've already done my seal once, so we don't need a second attempt at that.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Expensive, aren't they?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we've we've done the tread weekend there that um raising funds for cancer.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: And um they are good days because the girls are all out and then the guys are all in doing w rocking the pink as well.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, which is you see them in their tutos, it's a great weekend.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: That was me cooking.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're gonna think two funny, but yeah.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: But uh seeing the girls um on those small hills down the bottom of the park there was good to see.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, same thing with Lucas.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I organised to go in there with caravans and go up to the lookouts, and we just did the outer tracks.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: But it's the outer tracks was to build the confidence because they could see then all the tracks that peeled off it, and then they'd see ones and they go, Well, that looks easy.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yeah, but look at the big double red with the two arrows.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Look beyond what's down at the bottom on the other side of the valley with that.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, do look at your map, but um it shows that they can do it.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: So agree.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's a bit of a segue.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Many of our listeners, I guess, are caravan travellers.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: Do you see more women wanting to learn about I guess setups, or are they more interested in the skills of the driving itself?
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's more the driving themselves.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_05: I think for a lot of them, they've realized that you know what, caravans can be really simple to set up.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um, you don't have to make it obscene to set things up.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't have to be that hard.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_05: So I definitely think it's a skill of okay, well, how am I gonna reverse up to it?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_05: What is if I get it wrong, how many takes am I gonna have to do to line it up correctly?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so if I do come to a track, what do I do here?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_05: I think there's definitely always gonna be that doubt.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, that skill for them is a big challenge to get over.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: And on the topic of skills then, are there one or two kind of essential skills that you make sure everyone sort of picks up and takes away with their event if they want to then go, whether it be remote or even just forward driving somewhere, is there sort of one key advice that you make sure everyone takes with them?
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_05: So our main thing that we try and get across to everyone is safety.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_05: So whatever it may be, you need to get yourself to safety.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_05: So if you're in the middle of a track and you don't feel safe, then you need to come up with plan B to make yourself safe.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_05: Whether that's back out of a track, move forward, winch, whatever the case may be.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_05: When you're traveling, if you can feel something's not right, okay, what's your safety plan?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_05: Can you stay in communication with everyone?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_05: Are you going into a black zone?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_05: What's going on?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_05: You need to be aware of these things around you.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_05: So that way when you do cross them, you have a plan.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: So our biggest thing that we try and get across is yes, we want everyone to gain the skills, but it's a big day.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_05: So we understand that you may walk away with that 10% worth of stuff.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_05: So as long as you walk away with the safety components to keep yourself safe yourself safe, that's the main thing.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good one.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: I like that.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: Banksy, is there something that you tell people?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Because obviously a different approach, right?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yours is So mine's more the the van and it's their first time out.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: So mine's more about well, it would be the safety part.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it's loading the van correctly and the car correctly, so that when you you can get there and the van does its thing and doesn't carry on from being um unloaded or excess loaded on the front.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then just the conscious bit of is when you leave, all that weight and stuff has changed.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: So you consume water, you consume alcohol, you move firewood, um, you had stuff that was in the back of the car that's now gone back into the van.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just a matter of that, just aware that it changes as you go.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then if we are doing a road coming back through a national park or that, it's just placement of where your vehicle is to your van to as you go down.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: Shifting gears a bit, Anya, what would you say to women listening, I guess, who have kind of wanted to explore Australia but you know maybe haven't taken that first step or not even explore, but get out into the dirt and go and have fun.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe steal the husband's car for the weekend or boyfriend's car.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um I guess firstly, understanding the basics.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: You probably need to know where you where firstly where you where are you gonna go?
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: Are you going to go beach?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: Are you gonna go bush?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um you need to uh have a a basic understanding.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I personally I couldn't go by myself.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm in total awe of Cassie with what she knows, like you know, right through from like your previous work experience of where you've worked before.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: So I can only imagine the girls' confidence when they start going to these events and understanding what they do and don't know, what their car can and can't do, uh, what gear they need.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: So like I personally can't even say that I could go on a trip by myself because I think you could.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you could.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_04: I don't get it.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna pretend you could.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: You might not be able to go and do a stuff forward drive.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: On your first trip, we'll just sit there and watch.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: There'll be no support.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: All right, off-grid down under episode, uh coming up in two weeks' time.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, I think so essentially have a bit of a plan.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: Think about what you want to do and have a plan.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for sure.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I could get myself out of some situations, no doubt, but um I think just understanding where you want to go and have an idea of what what you can do.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: But apart from apart from that, I I'm pretty much I rely on the boys to do it all.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: I think you could do it, but that's a great trip episode.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: Please log that camera crew.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: What about you, Cassie?
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: What would you say to somebody who's interested and and wants to go and explore and have a bit of a or toe dip?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_05: Just go.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: Just go.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_05: The more you're gonna sit there and go, okay, I need to buy this, no, I need to buy this, no, I need to do this, I need to do this training, I need to research this, is the more you're gonna stall it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_05: So just go.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_05: Like even if it is around the corner.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_05: So what we say to our beginner ladies is when you're first going camping, if this is your first camping trip ever, start on the driveway.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_05: Just try it in the driveway, see how you go.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_05: Then go to the campground near home.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_05: Then start to spread your wings a little bit.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, go to the campground.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: Don't have to go off-grid straight away.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: Just go to 10 to the site in you know, in urban campground and just get a feel for it all.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_05: You can go to like the big fours or go to the shop when you forget the milk.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: Or you forgot your cereal.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: Whoops.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_05: But there are things that you won't think of where and it's happened to me multiple times.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_05: I've gone three, four hours away from home and then gone, oh, well, I forgot clothes.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_05: So this is gonna be an issue.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: But there are things that you may not think of, and then when you've done that recce trip, you can go, okay, I need to make sure I bring clothes next time.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_05: Like, just try.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_05: Because you're gonna keep stalling yourself, and this is it's a very controversial saying, I keep telling the ladies.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_05: But women, their brain is designed to overthink it and then do it.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_05: So we will sit there and panic and go, we can't do that.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_05: That's a silly idea.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_05: But then we do it.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_05: Whether our brain is designed to go, bugger it, we're doing it and we're dealing with the consequences later.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: So overcoming that as women to go, yeah, I'm gonna overthink it.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_05: So I just need to jump in the car and go, right, we're going that way.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_05: And just do it.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_05: Otherwise, you're gonna stall and you're never gonna do it.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: Just take water, that's all.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, water.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's all you need.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Just take water.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: It'd survive on everything else for a couple of days.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_05: As long as you're near a Maccas or a KFC, you're fine.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, yeah.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: Camping, urban camping.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: So do you think urban um urban travel?
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say adventure travel can be life-changing in that respect.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: I guess 100%.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_05: It's not just a confidence-building thing to do, it's also uh you're opening your eyes, especially for a lot of people that live in the city.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_05: They may never have experienced this.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_05: Their way of experiencing it is looking through YouTube.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_05: And it's getting it and actually exploring it themselves and getting to be a part of that experience.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_05: They they'll come back and go, oh, that's different.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: I want to do that again and again and again.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_05: And that's when they might see their friendship group change, because their friends don't want to do it anymore.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_05: They make different friends, their lifestyle changes, they start to think about okay, I want to travel a bit more.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's my end goal.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to live to the nine to five, I want to go to work, come home, and I want to go out bush.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_05: So it's definitely life-changing.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: I think your point about friendship groups changing is is really important there too, because that that does happen.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, like you end up just spending more time with the people that want to go do that, and there's that's nothing wrong with that.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone, if they're your friends, they'll still be there.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just doing different things, and still learning off each other.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_05: Correct.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_05: 100%.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_05: And with that, you might also see that original friendship going group going, Oh, she's gonna go do all this cool stuff.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_05: I want to go.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's how it happens, is your friends start to go, Well, that looked pretty cool.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_05: I want to go join you on that.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_05: So it starts to grow as well.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_05: So then you're you're experiencing these new things with new people or same people but new experiences.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: Nothing quite like watching the NRL grand final on the beach at Morton Island, watching the sun go down.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's terrible.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: We did that in last year, that was pretty cool.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: So I I guess the outdoor community, I think they have a a really strong role as well.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: And and as a community, do you feel like it's very welcoming as a whole?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_05: It's getting better.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_05: I I definitely think it's growing.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_05: I think people are now becoming more self-aware of what they're saying and doing.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_05: So they're trying to be more open and inclusive and actually going, well, they can give it a go.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_05: Why can't they?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_05: So I definitely think that's happened.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_05: I think there is still those people in there that are like, nope, it should just be us men going out and doing stuff.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_05: There is definitely, and I think that's always going to be there.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_05: But it's as a woman, and this is where my stubbornness comes in, I go, yeah, okay, whatever.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_05: You do you, you enjoy being sour over there, I'm gonna go have fun.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um but it it's doing that, and I think there's very much a misconception from some people in the industry that the women want to go out.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_05: They want these nice pink tents and nice pink floor mats and pink everything.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_05: But there's a lot of women that just want to go out.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_05: They don't care if they're in a black swag, they don't care if they're in their husband's car, they don't care, they just want to go out and explore.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that's more important than making it all feminine and girly and whatnot, is actually getting out and exploring.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_05: 100%.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_05: You don't need to have a shower every day.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_05: No, that's not baby wipes.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_04: Baby wipes were invented for that.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Showering every day and uh hair cleaning.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: Where's my nearest hair?
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the nearest hairdresser?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: There's nothing wrong with that either.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_04: But I I'm happy with the baby wipe shower.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: But you look back at um the last muster up here at Queensland, um, there were four ladies there that have done trips with me, and they're how they are now from when I met them to now, and two of my follow them on Facebook now, and and seeing them out enjoying all the way up and down the coast is is like feels real funny.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's really good.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's like a proud dad moment.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's really hard to explain.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's like your your children have grown up and you're like, I'm so proud of you.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: They fly in the nest and off they go in the back.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: But some of these ladies are actually a lot older than I am, but but they um you know their partners had uh passed away or moved on, and um to see them confident and they started off basic because you you can get very easily caught up in what do I get?
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I saw that on YouTube.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can start with the very basic you and then you can add things as you go or just leave it as it is, because you might not be a person that travels monthly, you could be every six months, but once you get out there and doing it, and this community part, so watching those girls on the dance floor at the master there and seeing them all just so rapt that they had taken that leap.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what they were very apprehensive about even going to one of the masters by themselves, and they said at the end of it, I'm so glad that we came because now I'm part of the community, and they learnt so much that had so much fun.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: They made it a lot of people and then those people are now travelling together too.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_05: So that's the it's really cool.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_05: And they would have been sitting at home watching it and just kicking themselves the entire time.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_05: I should have just gone.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_05: Look how fun it was.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, this is why my biggest thing is just go.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_05: Otherwise, you're going to regret it, and then yeah, the next one's going to come around and you'll be like, Oh, why didn't I do this a year ago, a year ago?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, Cassie, tell us where we can find Girls' Day out, and if people are interested in finding out new things.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Or events that are on?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: So we are all social medias.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_05: It's easier just to say all of them.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_05: So we're all social media's uh websites where we put all of our event details up.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um we do have them up on Facebook because most people find events on Facebook.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_05: But most of them go up on the website with breakdown of what we do for what.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_05: We try and make it completely inclusive.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_05: So for our beginner and our advanced our Morton trip, so our social trip we're doing and our workshop days we fully supply lunch, everything.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_05: There's camping options.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_05: So if you don't know, and this is probably one of the most daunting things as a beginner, when you're coming in, you're like, well, do I need a pass?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_05: Do I need beach a beach permit?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: Do I need camping?
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_05: Do I need what do I need?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_05: So we make it all inclusive so they can literally just show up.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_05: We'll even help them set up camp if they need to.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_05: And they can just enjoy the weekend.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so if they see a ticket price, that'll be inclusive of all that type of stuff.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: And there's I think it's Toboomba, down to Victoria, I saw on your website.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_05: So at this stage we do the complete east coast of Australia.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um we've uh luckily just brought on board a very big sponsor for us.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_05: Oh good.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_05: So it means we can start going into different areas.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_05: We can start going into their showrooms and mechanical workshops and start doing some stuff with them so we can grow this.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_05: So with our days, I like to do them at registered parks.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_05: There's a few reasons behind this.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_05: One, it's very hard to find a registered park these days.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_05: They're becoming almost obsolete.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_05: But places like the Springs and even Gordon Country, these people are putting their money back into it to make it a really stellar park for people.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_05: So for me, I'd rather put money back into it.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_05: That and insurance, it's I need to leave it nice and safe.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_05: Safety is our number one thing for all the ladies.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_05: So this is why we go back to registered parks.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_05: Beaches are a little bit different because they are what they are.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um but if we did it, say at Mount Me, Glasshouse, whatever, you've got ten people watching you.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_05: So I want to take that element out as well.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_05: And there's nothing more scary than people watching you because that's when you make mistakes.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_05: So if I can take that element out.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_05: New South Wales and Victoria are slightly different.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_05: New South Wales, I've only got a handful of registered parks, so getting in very hard to find places to do it there.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_05: And when it comes to Victoria, they don't have any.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_05: So we struggle with that.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_05: We can go to South Australia and do one, but it's a bit of a drive.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um, this is where we're trying to work with training grounds and things that so we can rent these places.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_05: And it's safe.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um, we've just had a day out with the RSEQ one up here, so we can try and work with them because they've got a forward drive section as well as track and everything else.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_05: So we're actually in the liaison with them at the moment to start doing workshop stuff with them as well.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um, Victoria's got one very similar, so we're trying to work with them.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_05: They're impossible to get a hold of, but we're trying to work with them because I want safe zones for these ladies to be able to do stuff because it takes out that complexity and that scariness of okay, if something does go wrong, this is a zone that's all controlled.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't I a lot of people don't see their behind the scenes when it comes to that sort of stuff because it takes me months, and these are places that will call and go, Oh yeah, we can't do that anymore.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_05: And they'll let me know four or five days before an event.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_05: So then I've got to rally and go, right, where else are we doing it?
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not a pain.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_05: It's hard.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, look, I've really found that quite interesting.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think Anya, sounds like you've got a lot out of that too.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'm thinking about this trip on my own and then going to one of your events and seeing what I've learned.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: Go to Cassie's event first, then we can go and do it and put it into play.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: Or maybe we do it before and after.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: Do one without then do one with Cassie's knowledge.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_05: That's alright.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_05: My husband shoots all my YouTube content and he he will sit there behind the camera when I've done something wrong.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_05: He'll be like, you fix it.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, Help.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's awesome.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well, look, thank you, Cassie.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for joining us.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for having me.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_03: I hope you have a very successful uh full drive show this weekend.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's gonna be a busy one.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_05: It's already busy.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_05: It's already Wednesday.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, look, thanks for joining us.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks, Anya, for coming in and being part of it.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: And thanks again, Banksy, for joining us and for another episode.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks, ladies.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thanks for watching, and please like and subscribe if you do enjoy what you're seeing.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: And uh stay tuned and catch us on the next episode of Off Grid Down Under.