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1978's Jaws 2 · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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Movie Talks show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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shelf, presents it to the other, and discusses it at length.
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This week we've got Coming Off of My Shelf 1978's Jaws 2, or as
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the French call it, Jaws Dozier Partis.
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You want to know why? It's a funny story on the DVD
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where the director is Jeanette Schwar.
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French. French man and he references the
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fact that the original Jaws was called in French les Don de la
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Mer. Checks out, I mean.
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Teeth of the sea. Teeth of the Sea.
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Absolutely. And then he said.
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But in France, if you're going to have Part 2, it would be laid
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down to le Mer de. And he says that metal de is
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shit. Yeah, so he says.
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I had to. We had to change the name.
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Ironically, it's still shit. Wow.
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Coming in hot. Just kidding, just kidding, just
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kidding, David. Here we are, back on the couch
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once again back at Amity Island, celebrating the 4th of July
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absolutely with Mayor Vaughn. None of a very creative name for
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a holiday. 4th of July. Yeah, there's a comedian who did
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a bit on it. OK, Like you have like Canada
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Day sure. And they just don't have a name
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for it. It's.
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Independence Day. Actually, it is.
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That's. True.
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Yeah, what a. Comedian.
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A very good comedian. Yeah.
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They made a whole movie, actually.
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Never exactly ID 4. Absolutely.
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Jeff Goldblum. That's right.
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Two of them, actually. They made two of those movies.
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Yeah. Roland Emmerich.
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So here we are, David, once again visiting the beach.
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You're you're beach guy. I was at the beach last weekend.
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Wonderful. There's a nice little beach,
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Lemmy, Lemmy. It's on the Gatineau side.
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Of course, it's not terribly busy, OK?
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And I don't love it like I don't love.
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I'm not a, I'm not a beach guy. No, you're not.
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But I didn't mind it. And my wife brought a waste
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weight. OK.
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And she's like, put it on. I was like, well, I don't, I
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know how to swim. So she put it around your neck?
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Yeah. Tighter.
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Yeah. So we both know how to tread
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water. So there's no water safety
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general issues there, but I put it on and I just can lay on my
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back now. Oh yes, and just look up and
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just float. Oh yeah, my favorite.
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With no effort when I was at when I had a pool, I used to
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love that. Oh yeah.
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Then yeah. Ears underwater.
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So you're like completely turned out exactly.
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Just floating around. Oh yeah.
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Magical. So I did that for a better part
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of an hour. Magical.
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It was nice, Yeah. You know, your limbs and nice to
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see. Yeah.
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Here we are. It's Jaws two.
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We are here coming off the shelf.
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What are your initial thoughts on this?
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And as you're answering that question, let me ask another
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you. Want me to answer the same time?
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Yes, hope the whole thing about what your thoughts are.
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I want to know your history with Jaws.
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We've talked about it's on the it's in the archives, but I
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wonder how you feel about the sequel kind of in general.
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We talked a lot about sequels. This is where we've been through
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a phase. We have Jaws is just following
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the lines of diehards and Rockies and even Bonds.
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Yes. So I'm wondering at the end of
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Jaws, were you thinking I need another one of these or even I
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want another one of the Halloween factor?
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The Halloween factor my OG with with Casino Royale was I didn't
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know that was a sequel necessarily, but I was like, I
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want another one of these movies.
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You were horny. Where are you at with not only
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this? Let's get into the specifics of
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this movie later, but for now, did you think there was a reason
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for two if you after watching Jaws?
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That takes us back. Hey, we did Jaws early on in her
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career, her maybe season 1 even. Great episode.
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Great episode. Arguably a good movie, another
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movie like Rocky. Perfect.
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That I was really late to the game.
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Really late. Disappointingly so.
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It does take away from the enjoyment of it because of the
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course of time that's it's unavoidable.
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It's unavoidable. I voted pretty good.
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You saw it when it came, like way back.
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I saw it in 1990. Yeah, that's way back, buddy.
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It's a long time ago. Sure, 35 years.
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Ago, sure, but I know people that have seen it more recently.
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So I just mean like I've watched the first time I watched Days of
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Wine and Roses was not that long, you know, ago That's true.
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And that was a movie that's much older than that, so.
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And better than this? They're OK.
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There it is, gauntlets down. Anyway, So what are your
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thoughts just generally on on where we're at into this movie
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to begin with? I'm trying to think when I watch
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Jaws originally, did I have a hankering knowing there's a Jaws
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too? Do I want to go ahead and watch
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it like that day? Next day I'm going to say no.
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Let's pretend that you didn't know there was a Jaws too.
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I'll put you back in 75 thinking, where am I at?
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Like, OK, I just saw this movie. Whatever.
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Like it, love it. Whatever, hate it, but are you
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racing in three years later to go see just two?
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It made a lot of money, sure, we know that.
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So a sequel is probably coming. But you don't know yet.
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Now my answer has changed. Yes, only because you
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instinctively want to do it, just because of the nostalgia,
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just because you want more of something that was good.
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So definitely not in the same sense as Halloween.
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So. Continuation.
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It's strictly, strictly business.
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That's it. That makes sense.
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Like I'm not like, oh man, there's so much potential, all
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they can do so many different things.
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I. Want more Brody in my life?
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Exactly. More Hooper in my life or
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anything like that? Not really.
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Not in that case. This is this is a business
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decision that I would go see it based on the fact that you go
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see. Sequels, That's what we do,
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right? Sure.
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That's why they happen every year all the time, right?
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Why we're doing it? 7th Jurassic Park movie that
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just came out in theaters. Yeah, which I've heard is not
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bad. Yeah, sure.
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People like yeah, but again, people go whether it's good or
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bad, it doesn't matter. It's just like, I like Jurassic
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Park 30 years ago, I'm going back.
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I like Scarlett Johansson now. Sure, that's another good
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reason. As far as I'm concerned, for
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sure she's no lower Lorraine Gary, but she'll do in a pinch.
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Who? Lorraine, Gary, Just.
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Not those Lorraine Gray really looks like.
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See what I did there? The G and the R and the A and
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the and the Y. But why?
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Why I brought off Die Hard 5 in good faith.
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I figured I have to do it because of the Rocky.
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Sure, keep up. This feels retaliatory unless
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you're only out is if it's an anniversary.
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This movie is done an anniversary specifically.
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However, if you recall, this was on the list given in January, so
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this isn't retaliatory. OK.
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This is you said that word better than I could.
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This is a choice, however, because Jaws is on my brain.
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It's the 50th anniversary of Jaws.
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It's coming back to theaters at the end of August in IMAX.
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You're invited and they just premiered the documentary Jaws.
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I noticed that in the IMDb. Yeah, so it's in the
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conversation again, all right. And I love the Jaws ride and I
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watch a lot of YouTube videos and get excited, so it's just
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always in my sphere, OK? So I was happy to revisit it.
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And truth be told, it's a bit like Halloween too to me.
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Which is to say, I don't remember liking it very much.
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OK, well, I'm just happy that it wasn't a revenge decision.
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Oh, no, no. No, I'm not going to say this is
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a bad movie for two reasons. It's one the first one one,
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you're right, you're right it's not, and secondly, it's already
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been set by many other people. Similar to Die Hard 5, it took
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me a while to scroll through the user reviews to find a 10 out of
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10. Oh yeah.
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Probably the same time distance it took to find the 10 out of 10
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for Die Hard. Five, the amount of sweeps.
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It took because even the worst movies we've done, it doesn't
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take me long to find the 10 out of 10.
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No, there's always some. Sucker out there pretty quick,
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but there are these last two movies I had to dig.
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I had to go down for a while. Couple eights, couple nines,
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lots of ones, lots of twos, lots of fives and sixes.
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Anyways, just a fun little note Phillip.
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That is pretty fun and it's true.
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I will give you a little taste, old faithful.
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Oh, yes, please do get too deep in this episode.
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Of course, we have here Police Chief Brody must protect the
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citizens of Amity after a second monster shark begins terrorizing
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the waters. If there it is.
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If you remove one word out of that second, you have JAWS, the
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original. You're not wrong.
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Just saying. Yeah, totally.
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Just saying. I'm not, you know.
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No, I think that that's fair. I think that's a fair criticism
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of the movie. It wants to be Jaws again, but
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it loses too many of the elements that made Jaws great.
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Spielberg would be 1. Of those is a huge 1.
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Robert Shaw obviously couldn't come back because he's been
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devoured, but Hooper, Dreyfus, Dreyfus coming back, Those are
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three. They couldn't get them, eh?
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Huge components. Damn shame.
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To what makes Jaws Jaws. Yeah, because they brought back
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the writers Carl Gottlieb and Sackler, who did a draft, and
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Gottlieb wrote the screenplay and was on set.
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So. Johnny Williams.
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Johnny Williams. John Williams coming back for
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the score. I mean, point Xanic and Brown
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producing again. So there's elements that they're
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like, hey, let's get the band back together.
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But if you're missing those three things, to me your movie
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is lesser. But the score, I want to say, I
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don't think it's lesser. I think it's actually a pretty
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good score. Wait, you're not talking about
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the IMDb score are you? No.
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No, no, no, no. The musical score, Yeah.
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No, it's. Williams like obviously deep is
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something very good, but I think he takes the best parts and
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makes new stuff and there's a sequence when they're diving and
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they find the orca. There's a little slight musical
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refrain from the original just to sort of little Easter eggs,
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if you will, that's very subtle, but I thought really, really
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effective. One of the ideas, one of the
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concepts are thrown out. There were a couple of different
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ones thrown around. 1 was tell the story of the Indianapolis
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that the quint story from the first movie go back and tell a
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prequel of. It's not really a prequel.
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It's got nothing to do with the amity.
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It's specific to it's a shark attack.
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It happened and there was some talk around that.
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There was also some talk around focusing the story more on Amity
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at large and talking about how the effects of the shark attacks
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in the first one, how it crushes the community.
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Of course, mob kind of increases, which is elements
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from the original book that they never touched on in the first
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one. Kind of coming into the second
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town is sort of really shook by the events and how they're
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trying to rebuild their communities and stuff like that.
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John D Hancock was originally directing it, couldn't find
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apparently the story is had trouble with the action
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sequences and was focusing a little bit more on darker kind
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of material, and ultimately was rejected in favor of basically
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the rehash that we get. The figure, that's what they
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want. I mean, at the time was the
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highest grossing sequel. I think until Rocky 2 came out
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the following year, sequels were still relatively new.
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We had Godfather 2IN part in 74, but it's not what it is now.
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It wasn't the industry. So I think people were true.
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Yeah, and even. Still hope.
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Back then, that's right. So it's interesting when they're
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like, I don't know, what do we do for a sequel?
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I guess the default is more of the same.
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Sometimes that works. The problem with going back to
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these old movies that I haven't seen, yeah, as sequels sure is.
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We know what we know about sequels now.
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Yeah, yeah, I know. It's not going to be that good.
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Or is it going to be one of those?
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Exceptions to the rule. Yeah, they do exist, absolutely.
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They do exist, totally. 1980, for example, with Empire
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Strikes. That's right.
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But we just talked to me and maybe not as good as the
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original, but we talked about good sequels.
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Rocky, Five and six are all intensive purposes.
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Good sequels to definitely serviceable.
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They're not the same movie rehash necessarily, but they
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are, you know, 30 years later, still delivering something
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different and good so it can be done.
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It can be done. Did they do it?
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That's the question. I think it's a bit of The Force
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Awakens where they played a little safe by not going with
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those other options to give us sort of safe as a weird word to
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use in a, you know, a shark movie.
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But that seems to be what they decided to to go on, for better
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or for worse. Yeah, it's pretty straight
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ahead. They do change the POV a little
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bit more obviously, but generally speaking, we're
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getting a pretty straight ahead, yeah.
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It's a lot of the same beats, a lot of the false alarms are
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similar, a lot of the red herrings are similar, a lot of
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so I would say this movie is predictable, but not to the
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point where I'm out. That's good.
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I mean, ultimately we kind of get not too dissimilarly as
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you're saying with Chrissy at the beginning of the first
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movie, we have the scuba divers basically searching through the
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scuba, the orca and they don't make it.
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No, they do not. No, I thought it was pretty
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effective scene. Now, generally we'll get to the
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kill specifically because that's obviously what this movie kind
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of turns into, whereas Jaws 1 isn't really all that concerned
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with that. And that's the Spielberg
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difference. And that's just sort of times
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changing so forth. What are your thoughts on this
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sort of introductory kind of moment for the story?
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Like how engaged are you in this first bit?
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It does what sequels do. They did it in Jurassic Park 3.
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It's just one that's in the top of my head.
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They have a quick early scene and get an early kill.
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Jurassic Park 2 does the same little girl on the island.
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It's a great. Scene that's true exactly I
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don't know why I jumped ahead to the third one.
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I don't know maybe because of the the gliding because that
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that was in this movie. So maybe.
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Sure, there you go. Could be, but anyway.
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But it is a it is trope. Sure, connective tissue there.
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So that's felt very sequally, but I didn't mind it.
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I thought it was shot well. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't
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see a lot of underwater scenes. I don't, I haven't watched the
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Abyss for a long time or 98% of it's probably underwater.
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So I think it was like, oh Jesus.
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Yeah, the only thing that I that stuck out to me about this first
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part was the the fact that it appears as though the shark is
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hiding, but the way the camera is hiding behind some of the
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seaweed. It's a smart.
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Shark. And then the shark kind of comes
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out of nowhere and eats the guy. There's a little bit of
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thinking, can they do that? They can't really do that.
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Maybe. Get it by mistake.
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They didn't realize what I was doing.
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I do have issues generally around the actions of the shark.
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I was going to let the first one slide because I was going to
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really gripe about it later. But that's that's an interesting
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point. But overall, it's just a quick
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little intro just to get the the ball rolling.
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But the ball doesn't really start rolling until you get
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Brody going to a ball or a or a banquet.
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A gala? A store?
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Yeah, a gala. And I actually want to ask you,
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have you ever really been to a big banquet?
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I went no, never once. I'm a gala guy.
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No, I've been like a hockey banquet.
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Oh, I've been some, certainly. Though so you have.
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Been it doesn't really count when you're 9.
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Things don't count when you're dressed up.
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But we we get our main character now.
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A lot of sequels completely have a new crew.
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Yep. Now obviously we know him.
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Hooper good and obviously Shaw, but we do get Roy Schneider.
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Stop right away. Let's just nip that right in the
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bud. That was retaliatory.
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Yes, Roy Schneider. We do get him, and we get him in
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the classic police Jeep. That's right, the Bronco.
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We almost didn't get him. He did not want to be in this
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movie. I don't that makes sense.
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He was making the Deer Hunter okay, best picture winner yes, I
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believe that's one of Pacino. He almost almost had 50 for
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walking. He was making that movie or was
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about to make that movie and didn't like the creative
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direction of Deer Hunter of Deer Hunter.
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So he backed out and contractually, Universal said,
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hey, we have a three picture deal with you.
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You're dropping out of one. This is a the kid type of.
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Situation, Bruce. Situation.
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And they say, OK, you know what, we'll release you.
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But you have to do JAWS too now. I can feel that he didn't really
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want to be there. You.
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Kind of get that vibe. Yeah, it makes sense.
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I usually love this actor like Rochelle, of course, guys, I
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don't like him in the myth, the fingerprints in this movie.
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But there's a couple of moments where I think he's in the movie.
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But generally he's a Bruce Willis esque husk of a man.
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Really. I'm not sure if you caught up on
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that. But anyway.
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But yes, he's back in business here in this movie, OK?
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Well, that's that's quite a big shot too to start off.
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Oh, I'm glad you picked up on that.
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Well, I mean, it seemed like the camera didn't change for a
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while. Yeah, Yeah.
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And we got and we got through into another pool.
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Yes. Which was not in Chernobyl.
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Was. Was actual they saw they saw it
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the whole time. It wasn't rainwater.
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Yes, yeah, no, it's a it's a it's a really beautiful.
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You know, this movie is much malign included by me for its
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kind of lack of style. And it's partly because
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Spielberg is so talented. I wouldn't go that far.
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And even at that young age, like his blocking, his staging is
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like perfection. He had a vision.
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And this guy's Janay Jano is not somebody that went on to do.
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I mean he directed Supergirl and a couple of other.
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Things God has a bad movie. It's not good.
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So not like a, oh, this is a, you know, a real auteur, but
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there's certain elements of this movie I think are really, really
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good. And I thought the filmmaking in
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this particular scene, as you're saying, is following him in
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through the banquet up over the, you know, the band feeling.
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All of that I thought, was really effective in a way that I
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don't give this movie credit for being often.
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I've locked in I'm. I am in.
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I've never been so in. I'm in the ocean.
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Well, I respect the hell out of that.
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And I'm also very excited to have another character named
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Tina. Oh yes, absolutely.
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Unfortunately, she falls really short.
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Oh yeah, of the performance I got at Halloween 5.
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Yeah, she's not dancing around, just speaking gibberish.
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I. Love that Tina.
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God, she sucked. I thought about her the other
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day. Oh gosh, that's a different
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podcast, folks. You know what I would say about
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Tina and Halloween 5 is she's a fantastic lady.
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Yeah. Is that what?
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Is that what Stefano? Says Stefano from Days of Our
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Lives has a little smarm to him. Yeah, he had a long run on that
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show. Yes, he did.
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Died in 20/16/29. No, he died nevermind 99 years
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ago. He is absolutely fantastic and I
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recognized him instantly as being on my third favorite soap
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opera. Yeah, that was my my show for a
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while. But yeah, he's he's great.
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But it's also like they're trying to, if you, I think we
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talked about this in the Jaws episode in the book, Hooper and
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Ellen have this affair. They used to go to school
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together. He was a well to do and she was
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in the same and she end up having an affair with him.
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I didn't know that in the book. And it feels like they've taken
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some of that element and moved it out.
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Oh, we'll just put it with this guy.
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Not that they're having an affair, but some, there's some
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Stephanos that type. They'll do it 100% of this.
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He ain't above it. Yeah, he ain't above it.
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It's a questionable moment. Now we have the introduction as
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well of Keith Gordon, who's really the only kid in this
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movie that I recognize, and I only recognize him because he
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later became a film director. He directed a movie I love
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called Waking the Dead. He was in Christine.
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Oh, that's great. So he's an actor that and a
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director that. It sort of continued onward, but
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I don't really recognize any of these kids in this movie,
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including Tina. I didn't either.
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I'd hoped I would, you know, if there was somebody there to
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recognize, you know, I'm on it. Yes, absolutely.
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I. Assume you.
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Trust me to take care of this 100% and you're right, there's
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nobody, not really that stands out.
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They may have done other things, but not they would have fizzled
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out by the time I came to be around.
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None of them did MacGyver or Seinfeld.
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That's basically that. I can tell you.
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Yes. That might not be true.
19:49
Actually, if I dug, you might. There's probably somebody that
19:52
was in MacGyver. Fair.
19:53
Yeah. I like the little call back when
19:56
she and Brody are dancing. This, we're still in this ball.
19:59
I don't really know what's happening.
20:00
The plot is still like kind of waiting to be unfolded.
20:02
That's OK. It's probably very similar to
20:04
the first one. Yeah, but the first one has
20:06
going for it is character. I don't find this movie has any
20:11
real character and originality. Yeah.
20:13
So the characters are there. Sure, there's kids, whatever,
20:15
but they're interchangeable. I don't care.
20:17
Gary, like Ellen, has a job, but we don't really know what it is.
20:20
Catering. Yeah.
20:22
Something some sort of assistance, maybe some sort
20:25
Larry's there. She's like, hey, you're still
20:27
selling a piece of the dream. You're like, OK, I guess that's
20:29
what she's doing. Larry's still the mayor.
20:31
You know, Larry has a son. Yes.
20:33
He. Does Larry Junior?
20:34
Yeah, yeah. What are your thoughts around
20:35
the junior thing? Jack, would you having Phil
20:41
Junior? No, no, not really had an
20:42
interest. I don't know what the mentality
20:43
is behind it. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just
20:45
curious. Ego.
20:47
Is it legacy maybe you know George Foreman.
20:51
The grill famously had five sons, and they are all named
20:56
George. Really.
20:57
Yeah, that's something. Yeah. 5 George Foreman's and a
21:00
grill. And a grill to boot.
21:02
I had that grill. Oh, yeah, yeah, me too.
21:04
Wasn't bad. That's fine.
21:05
Little dry. OK, you know, you're supposed to
21:07
be a Hulk Hogan grill, but he couldn't get the licensing.
21:11
Vince McMahon wouldn't let it, so it became a George Foreman
21:14
grill. Little tidbit of information
21:16
there. We'll see if that stays in.
21:20
But I like the little callback. We've already seen a couple of
21:22
these little bits. She whispers to Shider.
21:25
Want to fool around. And then if you remember at the
21:28
during the first movie, want to get drunk and fool around, He's
21:30
like, Oh yeah. So there is still some
21:32
relationship there. They're.
21:33
Still in love? But I don't really feel a lot of
21:37
warmth as the movie goes on between them and Brody.
21:40
ISM as a character doesn't really have a lot of warmth to
21:43
him. I find him.
21:44
He's. Been through some stuff.
21:45
And I kind of allow a certain amount of that.
21:47
But I think it to your point, I think it's also he doesn't want
21:50
to be there a combination I like.
21:51
He's not hiding it well and sometimes it works for the
21:54
character and sometimes it's just an actor kind of phoning it
21:59
in a little bit. The shark that we're about to
22:08
see. Possibly related, We don't know.
22:11
But what's interesting about it is the reveal.
22:14
Yes, it's a little subtle. Yeah.
22:15
We're looking at on the banquet, and then it's very quiet.
22:18
Yeah. And we're seeing this boat from
22:19
the scuba divers that were out looking at the orca they had.
22:22
Oh, yeah. Right.
22:23
So that boat is in the middle of the walk, and we just follow the
22:27
anchor, basically to reveal this monstrous shadow going around.
22:31
Huge. Bigger than the first one.
22:32
I think they kind of allude to it.
22:34
If you're going to make a sequel, you know you may as well
22:37
go bigger. You may as well.
22:39
Right. And this goes back to, again,
22:41
one of the bigger critics of the style of this filmmaker in the
22:43
movie in general. I think so.
22:45
But in watching this time, I found myself really engaged with
22:50
some of the shots and this one in particular.
22:52
As I said, the reveal of the shadow I thought is pretty
22:55
exciting and cool. And then they moved.
22:57
And then watching the fin rise as the camera pans to reveal
23:03
basically Amity Island and the island houses and businesses and
23:06
such, there is this feeling of like, OK, like, this is scary
23:11
and we know it's happening. And the anticipation, the dread
23:13
of that, I thought was really effective.
23:15
No issues here buddy. And one of the things this movie
23:17
has is really one of the great tag lines ever committed to film
23:22
and one of the worst. So one of the things when I
23:23
watch that. Wow.
23:25
OK that Finn pop up. It's got a great poster too, but
23:28
the tagline in the trailer is 1. Good bite deserves another.
23:33
Oh, that's good. That's a good.
23:34
One right, that's terrible. But the real tagline that's I
23:37
think phenomenal is just when you thought it was safe to go
23:40
back in the water like that and, and you could use that and they
23:44
have in different contexts over the years, but man, that's a
23:47
great, great tagline. I imagine in real life it keeps
23:50
a lot of people out of the water, and I often wonder if the
23:54
sharks are aware that humans have made a movie out of them
23:59
and have made us more scared than we should be of them.
24:03
Sure, and that's not fair to them.
24:04
We. Just want to play but.
24:05
It's not fair. We we both know it.
24:07
It's not fair. A lot of sharks have perished
24:10
because of these movies. 100% I can't say factual because.
24:13
I haven't. It is factual.
24:14
Peter Benchley basically spent the rest of his career working
24:17
to save sharks, despite the fact they wrote a book that like,
24:19
kind of terrorized. Good for him trying to you know.
24:21
Because he was like, Oh, shoot, the wrath that I, you know, hath
24:24
brought. What do What do you think was
24:25
going to happen you? Just read a story.
24:27
It's done so well. They convinced us totally.
24:30
Yeah, it's pretty impressive the impact that that had, for sure.
24:34
And I also want to talk a little bit about the poster.
24:35
If you remember the first movie, The poster is a woman, a lot of
24:40
blue, swimming a lot of blue and then a shark underneath.
24:42
Ready, basically to rise. Yes.
24:44
Kind of like Nirvana. Never mind the.
24:46
Sure. Similar.
24:47
Yeah, very similar, minus the shark.
24:49
Minus the shark and the dollar bill and the baby.
24:51
Yeah, it is water I. Suppose it is blue.
24:55
But anyway, so that is that iconic poster, the first one and
24:58
then the second one. What do you do?
24:59
You have the water skier and now the shark is above the water and
25:03
it's taller than her. It's pretty intense photo.
25:05
I love the marketing of these first couple of movies anyway.
25:08
Well, they got to get you in the theater.
25:10
And I think this shot I think is in the trailer.
25:12
And I think like, again, I am excited when I see that shot.
25:15
It gets me pumped up for the movie.
25:16
So it's a good trailer. It's a good trailer.
25:17
But even more than that, that shot in the trailer in the
25:20
movie, at any point I am jacked up for what's happening next.
25:24
It excites me that you're excited.
25:26
What doesn't excite me very much is the fact that this movie
25:29
seems to, at this point, be pivoting into teen movie
25:33
territory like a horror movie. Almost like a horror movie, I
25:37
suppose. A bunch of people we don't know.
25:40
Don't know, don't care. No character, really.
25:43
That's a problem, Phillip. That's a problem.
25:45
It's kind of, but this is 78, so it's kind of before the big rise
25:49
of the slasher film that they've been out there, but it's not yet
25:52
that formula. So I think the choice is more of
25:56
like American Graffiti, where the whole movie takes place and
26:01
it's a bunch of teenagers doing a thing.
26:02
Well, I haven't seen it take it easy.
26:06
And this would be kind of tries to do the same now.
26:09
What a surprise. One of the things that we like
26:11
so much about Jaws One was the interplay between Dreyfus, Shaw
26:16
and and Scheider. And thank you for calling it
26:18
Jaws one just. Exactly.
26:19
Just keep things consistent. This movie doesn't have that.
26:23
We talked about not having the leads.
26:25
You got to have the leads. You got the leads.
26:29
If we know anything but the choice to pivot to young, what's
26:32
your take on that? Are you engaged with any of
26:34
these kids at all in this relationships?
26:36
If some of them had bigger breaths, bigger breaths and not
26:40
and not in my words. Tits of a Sparrow.
26:42
That's not my words. That's one of the kids which I
26:45
don't even know his name because I don't care.
26:46
No, it's a it's a problem. It's a problem generally.
26:49
Even Tina wasn't enough. The name couldn't.
26:52
And yeah, teams only remembered because of Halloween 5.
26:55
That's it. That has nothing to do with
26:57
this. One that's it.
26:58
So it is it is a struggle. You know me, I like to cheer for
27:02
people. I need to emotionally connect to
27:04
him. I want a little character
27:05
building and outside of Brody, we don't get that from really
27:09
any of the kids. Sean, maybe because he's.
27:13
Smaller. Sure.
27:14
And you know we're. A little more in peril.
27:17
Yeah, and he actually, you know what?
27:18
You don't like kid actors. You've said that generally not,
27:21
but I think Sean does OK here. I think you're right.
27:24
He doesn't have much to do, no. But when he has a moment, yeah,
27:28
I think he definitely makes it in ways that his brother does
27:30
not. No brothers, no good.
27:32
Mike is his name. There are some moments later in
27:35
the movie where I thought, OK, that's a good performance for a
27:37
couple of minutes, well done. But but overall, I think it it
27:41
hurts a little bit in a bit of a sore spot for me.
27:44
And part of the reasons I think ultimately it's not as good as
27:48
the original. Yeah, I think I'm far less
27:50
engaged right away. There's no characters I can
27:53
relate to. Don't worry, I'm going to come
27:55
up with something off the shelf with a an award-winning
27:58
supporting actor performance. Wow.
28:00
Yeah, Gauntlets down. You have no idea.
28:03
You're all but the gauntlet these days.
28:04
I'm a gauntlet guy. Have you been playing the game?
28:07
I never played it, but I know of it.
28:09
Alright. I enjoy it.
28:11
What I think is also enjoyable, what I think this movie does
28:14
well and the first one succeeds at, but in somewhat different
28:19
ways, is the red herring scare, right.
28:23
There's no one better in the world than Spielberg in terms of
28:26
staging, arguably, and set up so the scenes in which were
28:30
redirected or misdirected to the scenes where we think
28:33
something's going to happen and nothing happens.
28:35
The way in which this movie sets up the kind of Hang Gliding and
28:42
dropping in and out of the water, the musical swell we get,
28:46
the underwater shot, all the elements that would have come.
28:48
Is there a moment where any excitement or like kind of
28:51
curiosity or you kind of rolling with these excitement?
28:54
Glider Guy is as good as dead. I wrote it down.
28:58
I can't deny that it's here. All right?
28:59
I could have racipated it. But then I realized quickly
29:02
after, I'm like, you idiot. No, that's clearly a
29:05
misdirection, a red herring. It's not going to happen.
29:08
This one, it's the next one. And this is sort of the
29:11
beginning of like, OK, I know what we're doing with.
29:14
Playing the movie. It's planning the beats of the
29:17
not only the original, but just in general of knowing what's
29:20
going to happen. So I did start to find this
29:23
movie a little bit predictable, not to a point of a fault, yet
29:27
the early stages. Yeah, I mean, I think that
29:29
that's fair. Again, you're watching a shark
29:31
movie, an attack movie, right? There's there's no elements.
29:34
It's like watching a car chase in a Bond movie.
29:35
You know, it's going to happen, just a matter of when.
29:37
So I I can appreciate a certain level of that, but when it does
29:40
happen, is it done well? Is it executed well right like?
29:44
Filmatically, I think I get it shot well when he goes
29:46
underneath the water. And that's the point.
29:48
Yeah. It's it.
29:49
It delivers that. Yeah, ultimately that's fair.
29:52
Like, I mean, there's there's nothing else you can do.
29:54
I'm just I'm just recognizing no for sure what what it is.
29:56
So it stops you obviously from getting to a level of terror,
30:00
yeah. Yes, but then we introduce the
30:05
water skier and we also see Mr. Shark doesn't have a name yet,
30:11
just the first. One didn't have a name.
30:13
Either all we know is that they're cousins.
30:15
That's that's what I read. That's what I read.
30:17
I'm going to I'm going to stick with it.
30:19
But unlike it's cousin, this one's a little bit faster.
30:22
This one's it's been working out.
30:25
I did look up some numbers, Phillip, because I felt the
30:29
shark was moving too fast or they were filming the water
30:33
skier too fast. One of the two.
30:37
So I looked up the speed of a recreational water skier, 20 to
30:42
40 mph. It's pretty fast.
30:46
I initially look up and see that a shark only goes 19 kilometers
30:50
an hour. I'm like, that's a problem.
30:53
So I thought, OK, I'm out. I got up to stop the player, but
30:59
I gave the Internet a second chance and this great white
31:04
shark can get up to speeds of 56 kilometers an hour, which
31:10
actually works out to roughly 30 mph, which is right in the sweet
31:15
spot of that recreational skier. There it is.
31:18
I'm back in, baby, I am back. I sat down.
31:22
I was all ready to nitpick the shit out of that out of spite.
31:26
No real reason, just reasonable, and I will say I actually quite
31:30
enjoyed this sequence. OK, right to the demise of,
31:35
well, more of the demise of the driver.
31:38
I didn't care about the skier. She had a coming she's it wasn't
31:41
actually a great person, apparently.
31:43
Did it David Harbour for a while.
31:46
She's one of her armed robberies around me.
31:50
But introducing the fire element and adding that to the shark
31:54
makeup scar, Yeah. But yeah, I thought that was a.
31:57
That was a nice touch. And I thought, again, it was
31:58
shot well. And I'm like.
31:59
OK, that's, that's cool. I liked it.
32:01
Flailing about with this canister of gasoline that could
32:04
be problematic. It's a little odd.
32:06
And then obviously the flare. So I like, I like where the
32:08
instinct is where you're like, I'll course gas over the shark
32:12
and I'll shoot with a flare. Problem solved.
32:13
I mean. It works, doesn't go as well as
32:16
it. Could right, but I agree, and
32:18
this is something where my memory of this movie is I hated
32:21
that that specific moment, just the idea that they scarred the
32:26
shark to begin with. What it felt like was Tell me
32:29
how the movie trope and I think when I watch this, I think of
32:32
Jaws the original as not really a horror movie.
32:37
When did Halloween come out 78? But.
32:42
Flavor of the month. I guess, but it's so early.
32:44
This movie may have come out in the summer and Halloween
32:46
probably in the fall, so I don't know exactly where its origin
32:50
necessarily is, but. You loved it this time.
32:52
Did when I think of this movie I think of bad cheap knock off
32:57
sequel. Which it is.
32:59
Turning the shark into kind of like a slasher movie, right?
33:04
Like hiding behind the seaweed and giving it a.
33:06
Personality that it really should bring.
33:08
The scarring that sort of, you know, I didn't really.
33:11
Give it a mask. Yeah, a little bit like I just
33:13
didn't really appreciate it, I guess.
33:15
And when I watch it this time, I think that's pretty effective.
33:18
The first movie, for all of its qualities and flaws, it doesn't
33:22
have any flaws. It's it's not about the shark
33:26
chasing and eating and doing the things right.
33:29
It does terrorize, but it's not the same.
33:31
The. Things.
33:32
Exactly, And this is like you're watching it do the the killing,
33:37
the hunting, the biting. The intentionality is there and
33:42
I I didn't give it a lot of credit back in the day, but I
33:44
really enjoy it this time. Good.
33:46
And ultimately the. Boat blows up.
33:49
Which makes sense because there's fuel and there's spark.
33:52
Sure, that's enough for me. It's a lot of blow up, a lot of
33:56
fire, but it's you get to see it from the island, which I kind of
33:59
like. Yeah, Tina's scared.
34:00
She is, rightfully so. Totally.
34:03
Eddie's fine though. He's playing the guitar, He's
34:06
chilling. We get 25 minutes later, Brody's
34:09
out with his deputy trying to find out what's going on because
34:13
these divers have disappeared. Yeah, yeah, there's a mystery.
34:16
And they're dragging the lake and they find the the slow MO in
34:20
the style of Die Hard 5. Yeah, this is a more moment and
34:23
I think it's done better in Die Hard 5.
34:25
Sure. I think this is kind of a silly
34:26
slow MO movement, but it is an effort to say, hey, guys, pay
34:30
attention. Like you don't have a shot that
34:33
lasts for 10 seconds on this thing.
34:35
Well, I'm just. Thinking this is electrical
34:36
cable in the ocean and I'm like, oh, probably.
34:38
I guess that makes sense. Yeah, totally.
34:40
Anyway, that's an interesting little set up and pay off 25
34:44
minutes into the movie. But what we do get, more
34:47
interestingly I suppose if we're talking about plot movement, is
34:52
we have now a first hand account, it's 30 minutes into
34:54
the movie and we have the dead killer whale.
34:58
Yes, this woman in this moment is awesome.
35:02
You like her. She is just, I don't know, she
35:05
fits this. Role, She's perfect.
35:07
Scientist, yes. Nothing.
35:08
No personality. Nothing.
35:10
Exactly. That's what a scientist has no
35:11
personality. I'm just kidding.
35:13
For any scientists listening, no, she's not very good.
35:16
I'm just. Gonna She just sort of Mumbles
35:18
her way through it. It's like deadpan.
35:20
Yeah, maybe it's a joke because she is a scientist.
35:22
I don't know, maybe. But what I think is interesting
35:25
is a we've got Brody seeing first hand what's familiar,
35:30
let's say. He's kind of jumping the gun a
35:33
little bit, though. I mean, I don't blame him
35:34
because of his experiences. Let's be clear about that Yes,
35:37
he's looking for proof that there's a shark.
35:39
That's right, because he's. Terrified of him.
35:42
He's seen, you know, he's gone through.
35:44
Hell yeah, he's a little sumptuous because of his
35:46
experiences. I think so, but again, you're
35:49
looking at a killer whale and he says it's so succinctly, it's
35:52
obvious a big fish took a bite out of this big fish.
35:55
Like this is a huge bite. Exactly.
35:57
Oh, no, couldn't be, no, could be a boat.
36:01
Anyway, it's funny to me. But we do get an interesting bit
36:04
of, and this sort of falls under the retcon paradigm, if you
36:09
will, I will, where we have new information.
36:12
Brody tells us what we knew from the first movie, which is
36:15
splashing around, attracts the irregular movement, attracts the
36:19
sharks. And then she says and sound.
36:22
And he says, what? And she's like, oh, yeah, sound.
36:26
They can like Sonar. Of course, everyone knows that.
36:29
Maybe not in 78 exactly. And then it says sharks don't
36:33
take it things personally. Which, Oh yeah, big line.
36:37
Huge Line comes into play a little bit later in the series.
36:40
Spoiler alert, but given that you think that they're related.
36:45
Yeah, plays right into my my narrative.
36:47
Your theory? Absolutely.
36:48
My theory, yeah. That they are, at the very
36:50
least. Cousins, sure, but if they're
36:51
cousins they don't take it personally.
36:53
So you killed my cousin? I don't care.
36:54
Depends where you're from. That's fair, but it's 30 minutes
36:57
into a 2 hour movie. You were kind of getting the
37:00
seeds of, OK, here's some sort of conflict, Brody's going to
37:03
fight against whatever that thing is, and no one's going to
37:08
believe him, perhaps. That rings a bell.
37:10
Exactly now what? What do you think might convince
37:13
them? If the orca doesn't do it, what
37:15
else might you need? I would maybe upgrade from Orca
37:19
to human body. Interesting.
37:21
Just. Saying, I think that's the next
37:23
step. Like at a carnival, you trade in
37:25
yeah the the orca to get a bigger prize for the bigger
37:29
prize. Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
37:30
No. But people would absolutely.
37:33
I was wondering when he sees that thing in the water, the
37:37
board, why isn't it getting pushed more in because of the
37:41
current? So I thought this is dumb and I
37:44
was very close getting up storming out like like it's the
37:50
Oscars at those places 2006 it crashed just one but it made
37:56
more sense that there was a a dead body attached to it.
37:58
It would wait. There's.
37:59
Also an undertow. I don't know the logistics.
38:02
Right, nothing. Just I don't know how Water
38:04
Works. I just drink it, not enough of
38:05
it, but I drink it not salt water.
38:08
I think it wants us to think that the shark is around and
38:13
he's going into the water. He's a little little hesitant,
38:16
rightfully so. Were you scared?
38:18
No. No, because.
38:18
It's kind of a jump scare moment.
38:20
It's that one big musical sting thing comes at him.
38:23
I mean, that's a moment to be scared.
38:25
I get jumped. I found this movie above average
38:28
when it came to predictability. OK, I did.
38:30
So you knew it was coming. You just didn't know when it was
38:32
coming exactly. So when it did, it didn't matter
38:34
exactly. Yeah, it's OK.
38:35
What I didn't see coming, David, is poisoned bullets.
38:39
If this is what you're seeing, and we have brodies whose
38:43
experience in the first movie was shooting the shark and
38:48
having no effect, at least with his handgun upgrade and Hooper
38:53
wanting his needle to stick it in to poison the shark.
38:58
Why is this his approach do you think?
39:01
Putting sodium cyanide, which I noticed you had some in your
39:04
medicine cabinets. Yeah, that's for later.
39:06
That's that's for insurance purposes.
39:09
Yeah, putting it in the tips of the bullet and then putting a
39:12
little. Wax seal it in seal.
39:14
It in now he did miss the wax yes.
39:17
Did you notice that Yeah. On the third one Tough to work
39:19
with that he didn't go back to that one and redo it.
39:22
I'm just saying they could have reshot that yeah, just lazy.
39:25
Lazy. Probably you.
39:26
You have it. I'm leaving.
39:28
Yeah. I got, I got somewhere to be.
39:30
Yeah, I don't know. I was like, OK.
39:33
It strikes me as a strange choice.
39:35
Yeah, I'm with. It especially since it doesn't
39:36
really play into anything later. It's my favorite scene,
39:39
actually. OK, well, there it is.
39:40
What I found interesting was the nosiness.
39:43
Oh yes, of. What's his face, Deputy Doo Dah?
39:49
He just kept looking in his office like it's none of your
39:51
business, man. Yeah, Brody's clearly trying to
39:54
dissuade, right? Turn off the light.
39:56
Covers it up. He turns it back on.
39:57
And he turns it back on. Yeah.
39:59
At that point. And you're fired.
40:01
Yeah, Really. Seriously.
40:02
That's a pink slip. Wow.
40:04
I don't know. It's a small little annoyance
40:06
with me. Like break off.
40:08
That's management, folks. That's what it does to it turns
40:10
a cold pink slip after one infraction, but he takes it home
40:14
and it ends up in the sink in the bathroom.
40:16
He's trying to hide it. Yeah, well, I don't know why.
40:19
It's straight up. He hides it and then he invites
40:21
not only is his wife in the bathroom, but then even invites
40:24
Mike into the room. So it's sort of like I just,
40:27
there's nothing about the bullets that make any sense.
40:30
Now let's get back to the beach, if you don't mind.
40:32
Phil, I know you like the. Beach.
40:34
I'm a beach guy, unlike me. Absolutely.
40:36
Did you know sea doos existed that far back?
40:38
Yeah, they've been around for a long time.
40:39
I. Thought it was like a late 80s.
40:43
Well, it's popularized, I guess. They're probably like $50,000
40:47
back. Then, and probably primitive in
40:49
their technology. Also, did you notice the look of
40:53
Brady's hair in that tower? Brody's hair.
40:56
Yes, I've been thinking about Tom Brady a lot lately.
41:00
What can I tell you, handsome man?
41:01
I don't know, it just tousled. I don't know this.
41:05
Is a probably reshoot maybe I guess wear my hair, I don't
41:08
care. This.
41:08
Is a little too slick for him. Yeah, that's fair.
41:11
I don't like his look in this movie.
41:12
I think he's too lean. I think he's too dark.
41:14
Like, like so tanned. He's on the beach.
41:16
All the time up in his. Tower I don't know, I I guess
41:19
said Roy Schneider is one of my favorite actors and yet in this
41:22
movie in my memory and now even like kind of confirmed, I don't
41:26
think he's very good in this just feels out of place.
41:30
And I don't think that that's because I knew that he didn't
41:32
want to be there because you, you seem to think the same and
41:36
you didn't do the research. I don't often do, but one thing
41:39
I did know, it was time for a false alarm.
41:45
You must feel the same way to a certain degree because it stood
41:47
out like a like a sore thumb. Like, yeah, this is it 100%.
41:50
It's less about the false alarm part and more about it was time
41:54
for panic at the beach. Well, he looks like an idiot.
41:56
Yes, it's embarrassing. Totally.
41:59
He wastes all that sodium cyanide on the blue fish.
42:02
What I think that they didn't do enough of, I suppose, is play
42:06
into Brody's kind of descent into madness.
42:10
I think there's the movie. If you're going to bring Brody
42:12
back, I want to see some trauma and I think the movie is tap
42:16
dancing on it. That's an interesting point.
42:19
Right. Like he's gone a little Batty
42:21
little bit and he's ready to jump at shark at any time.
42:24
Doesn't matter. And he's not getting there.
42:27
Whether it's performance writing, but the movie isn't
42:29
that interested in it at all. Now this is something you love
42:39
in movies I don't maybe not love, but you, you make note of
42:42
it. The moments where you can't slam
42:46
the phone. Yes.
42:48
Because we don't have those phones anymore.
42:50
The technology has changed. Yeah, we have the development of
42:54
the film, yes, supplying us with some drama, some tension.
42:59
What is under? As you're yes, yes, you get it.
43:05
Did you see a shark in that picture?
43:07
That's the question. I think it's.
43:09
Or did you want to see a? Shark.
43:10
I think it's justifiably vague. I I see it enough when Brody
43:15
shows it, but I can also see it's dark.
43:18
It's murky. Could be seaweed.
43:20
And yeah, I mean, the eye is kind of a tell, but I think when
43:23
I first saw the movie, probably when I was much younger and on
43:26
like a 26 inch like square 4 by three TV version, I I don't know
43:32
that I would have immediately clocked that well.
43:34
Stefano didn't clock it. No, I don't tell you that much.
43:36
And I think it's time to get Larry into the conversation.
43:40
He's already gone to him once. Yeah, Marie Hamilton.
43:43
And we're having exactly the same conversation.
43:46
We had the first one where Larry doesn't want to take action.
43:49
Yes. And people will die because of
43:51
it, is what Brody said. Yeah.
43:53
More or less happened before, right?
43:54
This is 1 where Scheider to me gets to finally kind of engage
43:59
because he is fighting with this group of people, right?
44:01
And he's like this panel, you don't even see it.
44:04
You don't want to see it. I don't want to go through this
44:06
again. You know this is your.
44:07
This is on you. He he delivers the scene like
44:10
he's agitated and it's embarrassing when people go to
44:14
discuss something. Yes.
44:16
In another room. Yeah.
44:17
And just leave you out there. You look so small, yeah.
44:21
Which is obviously the point, yeah.
44:22
And instead of siding with him saying, OK, this could be a
44:25
shark, how about you're fired? Yeah, I mean, firing bullets on
44:28
the beach probably not a great. Idea.
44:30
Not a great idea. Keep your job, you know, Little
44:32
career advice. That's a good point from Phil
44:34
and Dave. If they're filled with cyanide.
44:36
But what does Brody do when met with adversity?
44:40
Drinks. Drinks.
44:41
And what happens when you drink a little much?
44:45
You're not up at the crack of dawn.
44:46
No, no, no, no. But who is up at the crack of
44:49
dawn? Because he's had a hankering to
44:50
sail for a while now. Is your favorite actor, favorite
44:54
character? Yeah, MM, the oldest, eldest
44:58
son. He wants to go out.
45:02
And what's Sean up to? Yeah, I mean, ultimately, like
45:06
any good sibling, Sean's going to extort him to get what he
45:11
wants. Realistic.
45:12
Totally realistic. I'll tell mom.
45:13
I mean, that's what we used to do all the time.
45:15
Classic Sean's probably. Going to wish he stayed home
45:17
though. At the end of the day, it's a
45:19
bad call, but it's how it goes. Now we have a moment here where
45:24
we finally get a reveal of the sort of new and improved battle
45:28
armor. Shark scar tissue.
45:31
Scar tissue. Now this is the sort of, let's
45:33
say a pretty early hero shot of the shark.
45:36
What are your thoughts on? It I would say it's one of the
45:39
few things I felt was better than the original, and I use the
45:43
term lightly. Sure, better.
45:45
I I feel almost not right saying it because the first movie is.
45:49
It's like revolutionary. Sure.
45:51
You know that's three years later.
45:52
Technology is a little different.
45:53
But the look of the shark in a couple of scenes, specifically
45:56
this one, I think, how does it? As it as it swims by, I thought.
46:01
And and the shark looks better than I remember.
46:02
And the shark is our hero because it's trying to eliminate
46:05
all these annoying teenagers. So I'm.
46:07
I'm really, I'm rooting. I'm rooting for the shark first
46:11
of which, of course, is Eddie. Eddie Tina's better half is now
46:17
actually in half. Yeah, he needs to swim.
46:21
Faster, Yeah, let's talk about the kill generally speaking,
46:24
right, Because we kind of did this.
46:25
It's our approach in in the horror movie genre and this is
46:28
kind of leaning more into that territory.
46:32
What are your thoughts on the way this kind of plays out,
46:34
generally speaking? Well, you, you know me, Phil.
46:37
I don't watch horror movies for the kills.
46:40
No, just the boobs. Just for the.
46:43
Tinas just for the Tinas sure, but I I will say this kill comes
46:48
in with a bronze. OK, not bad.
46:51
So pretty good it's. It it medals.
46:55
Yeah, it's on the podium. It's on the podium.
46:56
My question to you is, did you think Tina in your original
46:59
viewing was gonna get it as? Well, yeah, I probably just
47:02
assumed because I had seen this probably after I was into horror
47:06
genre slasher stuff anyway. So you're hoping I was?
47:10
Yeah. But I love this kill.
47:12
Are we talking gold or silver? There's no.
47:15
The other one later does more for it.
47:17
But I love. I know what you're talking
47:19
about. I like anything that allows for
47:21
variety. You know one of the challenges
47:23
with horror movies and we'll talk about them later.
47:26
And it's almost. Silly, but a variety of
47:29
utensils, implementations. Jacuzzis.
47:32
Yeah. So it's like Halloween, the
47:34
first one. It's like, you know, butcher
47:36
knife. Butcher.
47:36
Knife. I'm a purist, buddy, you know.
47:38
That, absolutely, and there's nothing wrong with that.
47:40
But if you you can also have a little fun with this hot tub or
47:43
a syringe or whatever else, you know, kind of get playful.
47:46
So this one playful, you know, you're limited because the shark
47:50
isn't going to do anything other than eat you.
47:52
But but by doing this, you know Chrissy at the beginning of the
47:56
first one getting tossed and thrashed around is very exciting
47:58
and very visceral. You don't want to do that again
48:00
though. And you can only do that once,
48:02
and it was done to perfection. So what do you do now?
48:04
Well, I like that they sort of have the terror of, you know,
48:07
swim, swim faster, swim faster, swim faster.
48:09
That's built in. And we have him kind of rushing
48:12
the boat in flailing about and in horror.
48:16
I thought really exciting way to die in a movie that has not
48:20
often been exciting. It's been fine.
48:23
Like there's nothing necessarily wrong with it.
48:25
That fire on the boat, buddy. But I wouldn't put exciting and
48:27
that was an hour ago. That's silver, though, at this
48:29
to say that's silver. So I think this is really well
48:32
executed or again, killing people I don't care about, but I
48:36
thought bring you something new. Sorry, sorry to interrupt.
48:38
You don't care about Eddie. No.
48:41
Or Tina did. You see him play the guitar.
48:43
It's good, but not not my type. And we have a whole other bunch
48:47
of kids out there as well. And I'm thinking had Brody, not
48:51
Brady, Brody communicated better to Mike the reasons behind him
48:56
not wanting to go out to the seas.
49:00
Instead of saying, oh, I want you to work full time.
49:02
That's what I want. Yeah, be honest.
49:05
Just be honest. Transparency.
49:06
Exactly. There was a shark attack.
49:08
Mike was saved by the fisherman in the estuary.
49:11
So Garbage Mike should know better.
49:13
He should know better. And then he takes his his little
49:16
brother out and it puts him in harm's way.
49:20
So that has Brody up in a lighthouse, and I like
49:24
lighthouses. Pete the Magic Dragon.
49:27
If you recall, there's a lighthouse in that.
49:29
Yes, yes, it's. Prevalent in the movie and calls
49:33
in your favorite mode of transportation.
49:36
Love the chopper. You know how I say it.
49:38
Give me a chopper. Yeah, I can guarantee you love
49:41
this chopper scene better than last week just because you're
49:44
biased. Absolutely.
49:45
But yeah, Brody's calling in the chopper.
49:47
He needs some some help, but he's out on the way out to the
49:49
lighthouse because he had heard that these kids were going
49:51
there. And on the way, he finds Tina
49:54
and I Oh, yeah. I think that this is really.
49:57
I forgot about that. It's a scene where I don't think
49:59
she's exceptionally good. No, she's good.
50:01
But I think the scene needs to be there.
50:03
I like the trauma I think. In the moment where he's dying,
50:06
she could have been a little bit better.
50:07
She's like, make it go away. But I thought here, I thought
50:10
she, she. Delivers.
50:11
She's traumatized. I think it's important because
50:14
so much of this other stuff we talked about last week where
50:17
nobody seems to give a shit that you're just killing people all
50:18
the time. You.
50:19
Got to be. You got to be careful with that
50:20
because if you don't care about it, then it loses a little bit.
50:23
Of I'm in the killing people game, I don't care.
50:25
High 5 right? Like, that's the McLean.
50:27
Way easy. And this, I find, is at least a
50:30
human moment in a movie that doesn't have a lot of them.
50:32
Because again, we don't really care about these kids.
50:35
No, I certainly don't. I don't.
50:36
But I, I think that there's room and I'm glad they kind of
50:39
tackled it and took took advantage of it.
50:41
But the real question is, Philip, do you believe that a
50:45
shark I can single handedly take down a.
50:49
Helicopter. I didn't think that until I saw
50:50
this movie and I realize sharks can eat a chopper.
50:54
It's happening. It's happening in real time.
50:56
I really think this is a very effective scene.
50:58
Again, I know you say you weren't scared, and I wouldn't
51:00
say that I was scared, but there's scenes where it's like,
51:02
I know that's scary, and there's scenes where I know I'm scared.
51:06
I go into the Halloween Horror Nights at the Universal Studios
51:09
and I'm just grinning ear to ear, you know, nothing is
51:13
scaring me. It's just like the magistrate of
51:15
it. The the gore, the blood, the
51:16
guts. I'm just like a kid in a candy
51:18
store. And I'm kind of annoying to, I
51:20
think some of the people because their job is to try and scare
51:22
you. But I'm just so enamored of it
51:24
that it doesn't faze. And I kind of get that when I'm
51:27
watching some horror movies. I just I love the process.
51:30
I heard you go in there without your shirt.
51:32
Now, Now you're scaring now. That's right.
51:35
No pants. That's what does it.
51:37
The old Russian roundabout. But the shark thing, another one
51:45
where I think it probably way back, I thought this is stupid.
51:48
The chopper, whatever. That's awesome, man.
51:50
But when I watch it, I'm like, fuck, this is really exciting.
51:52
Yeah, really well shot, really cool.
51:55
I don't even care if a shark couldn't do that.
51:56
It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
51:58
He's not eating the chopper necessarily, He's eating the
52:00
pontoon that that sinks the right.
52:02
Like absolutely. It makes sense.
52:04
I bet you want it though as the blades are kind of coming off.
52:08
That it would take off one of the heads of the kids?
52:10
Sure. Absolutely.
52:11
A. Little Twilight Zone, you know,
52:13
just something. Yeah.
52:15
I think that there should have been more damage.
52:17
Now they damaged the sailboats, which obviously serves the
52:19
purpose of now they're adrift and they have no means to get
52:22
out. So it isolates them.
52:24
But I think, yeah, definitely somebody should have died from
52:26
some of those blades. Come on, it's.
52:28
The one kid. It would be nice to get a kill
52:30
that's not directly. Correct.
52:33
Shark. It's indirectly like, still the
52:35
shark is the main problem here. Yeah, I think there's fun in
52:38
that. There's fun, you know, the
52:39
shark's having a fun time. Missed opportunity, I agree.
52:42
But I think the scene is really exciting and really kind of
52:45
gripping. It's predictable, but I'm
52:47
engaged. Yeah.
52:48
You mean you see a comment? I suppose that's OK, though.
52:50
If it's done well, it doesn't really matter that much.
52:53
I don't think so. What I think is also kind of
52:55
compelling is the shark kind of circling, which feels natural.
53:00
I don't know anything, Shark. Do.
53:01
Circle. But I feel like they're circling
53:03
all these boats and kind of causing chaos as a result.
53:07
Talk to me. My general issue around the
53:11
shark, keep in mind this is your bad guy.
53:14
It doesn't have really a personality or motive.
53:16
We we've already established that.
53:17
It's an eating machine, all it does.
53:19
But it's got to be full, like if you just ate somebody, I think
53:24
you're OK. You don't understand sharks,
53:26
buddy. It's insatiable.
53:27
It is. But it felt to me like the shark
53:30
has been given direction from somebody else.
53:34
So to me it just feels like it's it's it's doing what someone is
53:38
telling it to do. Go hit this boat, go after this
53:42
specific person. Now go over here, do this.
53:47
It's not doing what a natural the instinct of the shark
53:51
wouldn't necessarily be, and I maybe it's a little bit of a
53:54
nitpick, but that's just how it came across.
53:56
It's how it is. It's not, but it's how you.
53:58
Think it is. What it The scene is ultimately
54:03
the payoff by causing that kind of chaos and ramming the boats
54:06
puts the kids back in the water. And 100%, we have a gold medal
54:10
performance here, the gold kill. It's fantastic.
54:14
Now you don't see it because it's a reverse shot from the
54:16
back of the head if you will. But we watch the shark now come
54:19
in. Sean is saved by this woman who
54:23
knows who The Who the name is again all the same, but we watch
54:28
her get basically devoured, taken under and swam away again
54:33
like Eddie's killed something fresh and new.
54:35
The camera angle. Makes up for the lack of what
54:39
you would want like gore wise. That's right, I would say.
54:41
And I'm actually OK with that because I love blood and guts
54:43
and gore. You, you know that.
54:44
But this instance, I'm like, I love this.
54:47
So I wouldn't want this to be any different.
54:49
Well, that. Answers the question.
54:50
Yeah, I mean, I would like another kill with blood, guts
54:53
and gore, but this one where it is, I would want to stay because
54:56
I think it's so effective. And in doing so, we get some
55:00
Really. Scared people.
55:02
Yes, we do. And I feel like 5 minutes ago
55:05
they weren't quite taking it serious enough and things have
55:08
happened. Yes.
55:09
And they are still making jokes. That one guy, that one idiot
55:12
again, don't know his name. Johnny.
55:14
He's the idiot. Yeah.
55:17
And I'm like, come on, kids. Like, I'm not buying this.
55:20
Like at all. Your performance.
55:22
I'm bored. Exactly.
55:23
Now we do. And especially in that one
55:27
woman, I don't know her name. The cousin.
55:29
I think it's the cousin. It's the cousin.
55:31
It's the cousin, it's the cousin.
55:33
She she came to play. She has some great screams.
55:37
Absolutely. Yeah, She's she's fantastic.
55:39
Has she been in any horror movies?
55:42
I don't missed opportunity if she hasn't.
55:44
No, yeah, I don't think. So it was almost like, OK, all
55:47
right, I get it. Yeah.
55:49
But the effort was there, and I'm going to commend it because
55:51
nobody else is really, you know. Yeah, she should out.
55:54
She does it a little later too, like it's really, really into
55:57
it. The camera pushes in on her.
55:58
She's really kind of shrieking. She's really good.
56:00
I think Sean Sean's good too, is playing really ironically young
56:05
as looking and shaking and doesn't know what's happening.
56:07
I think he delivers some good stuff, but I agree for the panic
56:11
to settle in takes a little longer than I think it should.
56:15
But when it does, I think all the kids really, but
56:17
particularly the ones we're just talking about, really elevate
56:20
the game to feel like you're in something terrifying.
56:24
But luckily our hero. So I would argue the shark's the
56:28
hero. Brody comes in on the old
56:31
police. Boat coming in to save the day.
56:33
He's not authorized to to drive that because he's no longer an
56:37
officer of the law and didn't work out too well though.
56:40
Doesn't last very long a little. Bit of a mishap there, yeah.
56:43
Yeah, this is like Deus Ex machina, right?
56:46
Which is like the setup. It has no purpose except for the
56:50
fact that it needs to be here to in order to end the movie.
56:53
So it's like he gets all the way out there, ties the thing on,
56:56
there's the rope from the chopper.
56:58
Nope. Break snaps, and then the shark
57:01
comes along the boat. Now, what do you think of that?
57:02
Because there's a moment where I think it looks fake.
57:05
No. When the shark comes up against
57:07
the boat. You're crazy.
57:08
Yeah. I feel like my memory again was
57:10
that this looks like the cheapest looking scene.
57:12
That's the next movie. And then I watch it and I'm
57:15
like, shit, that looks really good.
57:17
So whatever. My memory of putting this movie
57:19
in like the shitty movie category.
57:21
I think I I really like the shark stuff again, I I still
57:24
think the rest of it doesn't really work anyway, but that
57:27
shark jumps, Brody has another moment of what the you know and
57:31
then crashes right into the cable junction.
57:34
They call it whatever. It is.
57:35
It's a little convenient. Wow, what would be a movie
57:38
without a little bit of contrivance slash convenience?
57:41
Just contrivance mean convenience.
57:43
I suppose a contrivance could be a convenience, but it's not
57:47
exclusively a convenience. Got it.
57:50
Helpful. Chalk it up.
57:53
Anyways, that girl, which we don't know her name, has one
57:57
last good scream. Really brings it home.
57:59
Very good in the trailer. Another one.
58:01
It's a really good trailer because you think that it's like
58:03
exciting and terrifying. It's all the best part trailer.
58:06
It really is. And this is sort of the end of
58:08
the trailer with the camera pushing in, her just shaking her
58:11
head in terror, holding her hair.
58:13
And you're like, shit, I want to see what's causing.
58:15
That I want to have what she's having exactly.
58:17
Basically, and you know, trailers get pros and cons over
58:21
the years, I try and not watch them anymore at all because for
58:23
you to give everything away in modern age, but some of those
58:27
trailers hold up pretty darn well.
58:29
And you can check out every trailer for every movie we do
58:31
here on the podcast over on our Facebook page.
58:34
Absolutely. I'll check.
58:35
I'll check it out myself, but yeah, we're kind of in the last
58:39
minutes here. Yeah, we get the payoff.
58:41
How do you top shooting the oxygen tank in a shark and do
58:47
you think this does it? This is crazy but I think this
58:52
one is better. Wow, bold.
58:56
Am I alone or am I an outlier? Or I think maybe I'm not like
59:01
remembering the original. It's not fresh in my mind.
59:03
Shoots the oxygen tank, blows them up.
59:05
OK, all right, take it easy. You don't ruin.
59:06
It for a smile, you son of a bitch.
59:08
I mean may this may not have. The line, I think it's the line
59:11
that really hurts this one to me.
59:12
OK, I'm open up and say, ah, it's just a little too janky,
59:17
you know, for me, I think. Maybe it's just the visuals, but
59:20
I do like that. Yeah.
59:21
Yeah. I think they do a really good
59:22
job considering it's 1978 of zapping the shark.
59:25
Sure. And it goes on for, you know,
59:27
good, you know, 1520 and we understand it, right, They've
59:29
established. That the electrical current, you
59:31
know the horse, it's there. Checks out buddy.
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Also established he uses sound now because he knows there's a
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new trick to lure the shark. That can drive in some possibly
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inconvenience, Absolutely. We don't know.
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I will say my probably the lasting kind of legacy, if you
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will, of this kill this the shark death at the end of this
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movie is it is and was the final kill during the Jaws ride at
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Universal Studios. So at the end of the ride near a
1:00:00
cable junction, he jumps and gets fried up.
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So there is an element that everyone I watch this, I think
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of that ride, so I don't. That tells me it's the best one.
1:00:08
I think it's the line that hurts it.
1:00:10
The open up and say I just can't get over it.
1:00:12
The smile, you son of a bitch. I really enjoy this.
1:00:14
I don't like as much, even if I like to kill we.
1:00:17
Can get. Somebody to edit that.
1:00:19
That's right. But overall, I think it's a
1:00:20
fitting end, let's say. And that is the end and it's
1:00:23
very much the end. Fade to black like the other
1:00:25
one. I do kind of wonder how they're
1:00:27
getting home. Both destroyed.
1:00:29
The sales are destroyed and. There could be another cousin.
1:00:32
Could be a cousin, you don't know.
1:00:34
But anyway, that's Jaws 2 my man.
1:00:36
It's it's electrified. That was Jaws 1.1.
1:00:40
Fair. Where is your final thoughts?
1:00:43
What are you? What are you feeling about this
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one? I'm going to do the old
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switcheroo on you from last week, The Rushing Roundabout.
1:00:52
I was going to say that, but I don't used it once.
1:00:55
There's a lot of Die Hard movies.
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Why would you watch that one if there's a better one?
1:00:59
And I think we're in the same situation.
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What Jaws 2 does makes you want to watch the original Jaws.
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I think so. Because it does everything this
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does except for that final kill better.
1:01:11
So why would you watch this one? That's that's my my point.
1:01:14
Not to say this movie isn't entertaining.
1:01:15
Sure has some stuff in there. A couple lows we both agree with
1:01:20
the pacing not great and it is missing again a supporting cast.
1:01:24
Unfortunately his wife isn't enough to bring it.
1:01:27
Larry's not enough. Even Stefano isn't in and enough
1:01:30
or does enough to add enough value.
1:01:33
Agreed. So ultimately, that's where I
1:01:36
stand with this one if I want the Jaws experience as it
1:01:40
stands. I'm watching the original, Yeah,
1:01:43
I couldn't agree more actually. Now, I will say I only really
1:01:47
like the shark stuff in this movie, whereas in the other
1:01:51
movie I like the people stuff. So to your point, I think this
1:01:53
movie just wastes all of the character.
1:01:56
There's nothing really there for me.
1:01:58
But the shark stuff is so much better than I remembered it
1:02:01
being that it elevates the movie to to a place where I find it
1:02:03
entertaining for sure. But I do think everything else
1:02:06
is really dry and paced poorly in this and that.
1:02:10
Jaws is a perfect movie. So anything less than that?
1:02:13
Is less than perfect. Is less than perfect and I think
1:02:15
this is definitely less than perfect, but considering where 3
1:02:20
and 4 go, it is definitely at the high.
1:02:23
Watermark. So we're so we're going to leave
1:02:25
it there. Oh, no, no, no, no.
1:02:26
That's not enough. A bad movie, David, is certainly
1:02:29
not enough to stop us. You should know that by now.
1:02:31
Do you know how many Bruce Willis movies I have?
1:02:33
On my show I was looking up as I'm to be 147.
1:02:36
Times on there all right. Just warning you.
1:02:38
Just warning you buddy more. This is reciprocal tariff
1:02:41
situation here. You're.
1:02:42
You're going to punish me? And out of all those 140, only
1:02:45
three of them are good, so. And we've already watched them
1:02:49
probably. Well, that's it, folks.
1:02:50
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