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#317 - Talking World Cup, Faith, and everything in between · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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Hi, everyone. My name is Brandon Fogle. This is Evolution. And as you can see,
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I have here my daughter, Bonnie. This is Bonnie.
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She is my second daughter, you know. So she is getting ready to start sixth grade.
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So are you excited? Yes. Very excited? Very excited. Okay. We're just gonna,
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we're gonna like be loose in this. We're gonna be loose. Be loose.
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Bonnie, what are you, how are things going with you? It's doing pretty good.
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Doing good. Okay. I got, I got a bunch of questions for you i
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i don't think we've done this probably since the last time me and you did this
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was probably about like two summers ago with sophie do
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you remember that yeah i think so do you remember even what we talked
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about i don't remember what we talked about it was like all about everyday christmas
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eve oh really oh i don't think we've done it since then no no i don't think
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so i don't remember it bonnie you are you are out of my children so i have four
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children yes and you You were probably the most laid back, I would say.
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Really? You remind me the most of your mom, I would say.
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A lot of people say that. You do. Like, I think you take a lot of her kind of characteristics.
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Sophie, your older sister, she is not at all like your mom. No. No. I wouldn't say that.
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So I know we're coming at this, everything with a different perspective,
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different life like experiences with, with your life experience.
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And you are actually very wise for your age. I don't even know if you know that,
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but you have a lot of wisdom.
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You became a Christian very early on here. Yeah. And I would just start off with this.
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I remember when you became a Christian, me and your mom, we were kind of eager
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for you to get baptized because we knew you were a Christian.
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We like, but you wanted to hold off for the longest time.
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But then, do you remember that at all? I think so, yeah.
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And then I remember you got baptized and it was awesome. But I just continue
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to keep rambling sometimes.
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But I know that whenever we were going through that, I just remember.
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I've always had kind of a messed up kind of situation with baptism in general,
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just starting it off with that.
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I know this is kind of right out of the get-go, kind of hardcore,
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core because for me baptism has always been like i've
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always struggled with that like what it means the significance
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i almost always want to cross all all the lines make sure
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we you know cross everything make sure everything's right and i don't think
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that's like a good attitude to have but when we're when you were going through
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that i don't just when we i don't know how maybe when do you remember how old
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you were i was seven you were seven yeah and now you are 11 i am terrible,
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I remember in ages.
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I know you're going into sixth grade, but I just had to ask Jessie,
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your mom, just a little bit ago. I was like, she's going into sixth grade, right?
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I know she was, but I didn't want to put that on there and then I'm going to be completely off.
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You forget ages and you definitely forget names. Yes.
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I don't think I ever call you all the right name. No.
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But when you were going through baptism and going through all that,
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do you remember any of it? I do.
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Oh, yeah.
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I remember the day I was getting baptized and I was so nervous because it was
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at our big church and there was a whole crowd of the whole sanctuary in there.
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I could not look at anybody. And then when I went under and then I came up and
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then I was just looking at people and I had the fakest smile ever because I
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was so nervous. There's like everybody there.
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And like the big bright lights on you. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
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It can be very, very nervous. Yeah. And then there's a
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camera on me or i don't know where it is but then
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it's on the big screen too uh-huh and everyone's
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looking at me there's no one else to look at oh yeah so
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when i just remember like because we were kind of i was
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kind of eager to you to get baptized and everything like that even i've been
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this this is like i know we're going to be talking about the
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world cup and be talking about a number of different things here but i i just
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wanted to start it off with this because it's been something that i've struggled
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with and I what did like baptism mean to you when you were doing it like when
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you were going through it I was seven so it was I didn't get the full meaning of it I think but.
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I don't know it was just,
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I knew what it meant, but it was, like, a whole different thing because I was so nervous.
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I don't know. It was so nerve-wracking for me.
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Was it really, even at that age? So bad. Was it really? Yes.
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So I couldn't really think about a lot of things. So, I mean,
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like, just to share, on anything that I talk about, I'm always open and honest.
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I probably share way too much in the stuff that I go through.
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I'm almost sorry for you all for when you all get older and,
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like, maybe you look back and see some of my videos.
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That's why i might end up probably deleting everything to
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be honest because i don't want you to like be embarrassed or
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whatever but like i i don't think i don't
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think you would i don't know you probably won't even look back or anything like that
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but like i share a lot i for me baptism
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in general i've been baptized myself like three different times and then i just
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found out like i think from my parents like just the like a couple like maybe
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a month ago that maybe i was baptized one time before that i i because i grew
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up in the methodist church and i was baptized there and I, and I,
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I don't even, I didn't, or,
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or maybe it was, they told me I was baptized as a baby.
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I don't know. I, I just, I think I, I think about this a lot because for me,
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like just even like, like last year with our, with our, with Rowan and Heidi,
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you were there when we, we did a baptism for them, you know?
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And it's like, I feel like I've always like, I know that it's just by faith
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in Christ that that is what saves you.
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That's what, and that's what trusts you. But like, I'm always like always nervous
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like i i i want to make sure we did everything i want to make sure we cover
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all the bases and i i almost do you probably i almost i don't think we we don't
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have too many deep real conversations all the time but like.
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With me like do i seem just kind of crazy to you
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or do i just seem like dad and normal or what do you think about
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me what do you like because i'm i'm all over the place
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in a lot of ways you probably this might i might be kicking
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myself asking you this but like do i do i
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seem like a crazy dad or just a normal regular dad to you
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i think you're like an like
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in what kind of crazy like you're a fun dad do you
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think i'm a fun dad yeah i like the things
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you do and stuff i i i i probably
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yeah we do a lot of crazy stuff i know we do a lot
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of fun stuff but like i i think i seemed sometimes
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i'm all over the place sometimes maybe i
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think i just i see things from just a i i
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analyze myself so much do you have that at all
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like where you just kind of or i'm just trying to
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think like when i was your age i wasn't like really i was just going with life
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just whatever happens happens but like as i've gotten older i'm more reflective
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and more just like looking at myself do you have that at all or not really i
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don't think so not really no not really i don't think i ever did.
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You're pretty much you're like low-key you like to just like just watch
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videos and and just hang out and do
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a lot of crafts and all that kind of stuff yeah you're you that's why you remind
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me of your mom so much is because you're just mom your mom jesse she doesn't
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want to know anything she just wants like she doesn't like to think on what's
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happening in this world and all the the the crazy things that are going on.
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She just always says, I want to bury my head in the sand.
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You know, do you feel like that? I don't say a lot in like, whatever is going
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around and stuff. Like, yeah,
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I don't know. Just whatever. Yeah, like that. Like mom. Yeah.
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I don't do a lot of stuff like that.
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I just know like when I was just talking about like when I was about baptism
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for me, like I know with Rowan and Heidi, like I was just so eager to get them
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baptized just because I just wanted to be something that they've done.
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I feel like they're in God's family.
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Like that's just something you do. Because me and your mom, we almost just to
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be honest and be blunt, we have kind of like the different disagreements about like that.
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She i think more is in line with the believers baptism that's like where a lot
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of the church does believe like believes that that's just once you believe and
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then you are then you do that and it's just a sign that of what has happened
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an outward manifestation of what's happened internally.
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But i've always i've been more like kind of almost like the catholic the presbyterian
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that's just different like denominations different names of parts of the church
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that they baptize babies because it's like, it's like, it's,
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you're, you're showing that they're a part of the family immediately.
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Faith will come later and that's what saves you. But like immediately you're,
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it's like in the old, like in the old Testament before Christ,
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like the sign of the God of God's people, when they had their,
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when the Israelites, they had, God gave them the sign of circumcision,
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and that's something they have.
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And like in the new Testament, almost like the sign is baptism.
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And that's, that's kind of like where I'm always been eager, like get baptized.
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And like, I know that doesn't the water doesn't save you but it's
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like it's almost like you're you're there now you're in the
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household of faith and you'll kind of learn and grow and mature and i i it's
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like i speak out of both sides of my mouth because i almost like i i know that
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doesn't save you i know that's not everything but it's something that i like
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almost impulsively care about
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deeply like i think it's very important at the same time i don't know oh.
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I know we started off this very heavy, but I know we kind of shift a little bit.
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I want to hear what you think, Bonnie, because I know I will just ramble and ramble a lot of times.
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That's why I just share everything.
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But what do you—I know we're kind of moving into the World Cup is coming to
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the United States. It's going to be happening this upcoming week.
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I asked you a little bit ago about this, what you know about that.
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Do you know anything about the World Cup? The World Cup? Okay.
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Do you even know what sport we're talking about? Isn't it soccer?
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Yes, it's soccer. That's what I thought. Okay, yeah.
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About the World Cup. I definitely know about it.
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I'm not really a big fan of soccer, so I'm not like deeply into it.
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But I know people are going crazy after it. It's like.
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Are any of the kids at your school is anybody talking about
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it no no one no one's talking about it no oh yeah
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i've heard no i mean like and i i really don't
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watch sports that often and like the people like that i
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work with like i don't nobody's really talking about it i remember i used to
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have a a friend that i worked with like he was obsessed with soccer he loved
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it so much and he was like even like a couple years ago he was anticipating
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the world cup coming here and he was and i know people he was probably already
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getting tickets for it then because It's actually a big deal.
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This is the first time we've hosted it since they've had it.
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But what it is, it's just like all the countries of the world,
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they get together and the best country is going to win.
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And I don't even know who won last time, honestly. I don't even remember.
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I don't know. It might have even been Brazil. I don't know. I don't know. I really don't.
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I don't know. Was it really that big of a deal last year?
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Well, no, it's every four years. Oh, four years. It's every four years.
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So it's kind of like the Olympics.
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Yeah. It's kind of like the Olympics. So like these soccer players,
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they're professional soccer players, but then they go off of their professional
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team and they'll go to their country where they claim is their country.
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And they're going to play there and try to bring home the FIFA World Cup back to them.
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It is really like this is like the biggest sport in all the world. Yeah.
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Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. You really know what I'm talking about? Yes.
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Bonnie, I think a lot of times you just mirror me and you're just saying stuff. i
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don't know if you really oh my gosh but that
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is good quality though like mirroring people like because you're you you're
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good at relationships and talking with people i think everybody that
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you talk to and that you are around everybody loves
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you everybody like they you know you don't probably like you're not thinking
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like that but like you're just you're good like that you're kind of like your
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mom like you fit in you to everybody everybody is oh really yeah oh she's just
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really easy to like get to know people really easy. Your mom. Yeah.
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Because she, whenever I go to like an event or whatever and like.
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Like people I don't know, she's always like, just start to talk to someone because
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that's what I do. And I make a friend like, like that.
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But yeah, I do that. And I make up friends slowly, but it's,
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she can do it really good. Really? Yeah.
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She's very, yeah, she's better at that than me. I don't, I, I don't like talking to people.
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I honestly, I don't, I don't like talking to, I, I, it's kind of this weird thing with me.
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I like, I want to like be included, but then I don't want to be,
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i don't like if i if i see someone i i
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know or whatever i feel like oh it's like it's like energy that you're
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like i gotta i gotta talk i gotta make conversation and
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i that's the struggle with me i think that's the introvert i
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have in me like i'm more of an introvert i like yeah i'm
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not i'm not good at that i've never been good at just like randomly making
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friends if i'm around like a group of people sometimes i'll
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just fit in and like just kind of be in the background but also like
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i know if it is like uncomfortable with a lot of people sometimes i will
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be the one that kind of sparks the conversation but then
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i just fade into the background i i and
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i i a lot of that kind of like i'm
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not i'm not a social butterfly you know
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what i mean yeah i'm not i'm not not really been like that
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but you do you feel like you kind of are not that
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much like i feel like i'm it's not
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easy to talk to people but it does happen because like i'm normally the one
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who's someone makes the conversation and i'm like chit-chatting back back and
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forth and then people keep talking to me and then i just gotta keep talking
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back and it's not that bad what do you mean i don't know you,
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Are you talking about regular people you know or your regular friends?
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With my normal friends, oh my gosh, I can just start the conversation.
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I'm normally the one who starts the conversations, but if it's other people, I normally don't.
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Or I can make a comment or something and then people just start.
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But I'm normally not the one who starts it with other people.
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You kind of let them? Yeah. Yeah.
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But the awkward silence is too awkward is
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really like i've never i don't feel like awkward or
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whatever and like i don't feel like i that i've never
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been where i think i need somebody to be talking you know
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and i don't like that you feel like you if you're
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around people that you have to feel like you got to talk you gotta because it
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just does get uncomfortable and weird you know like but
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i'm not i've never been the person like i know a lot of guys are
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like that they're just like very extroverted very you
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know you know chummy with everyone and they and like
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get along i've just never been like that it's almost something
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i envy like i want i i
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i would like i almost i wish i had that you know
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but i've never had that you know that's and i like if
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we if we go to places you know it's your mom's doing the talking you
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know mom's making the conversation unless i'm like i guess more around like
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my side of the family i i feel like you know i i it is a comfort level because
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you know you obviously know around us and around mom out of our family i'm probably
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the one talking the most or what do you think talking the most wet like in our family.
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Oh like i think i feel the air more with words than a lot of like but because
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i i feel more comfortable around you all and i just just say stuff and and i
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think that is why i feel like almost kind of like the the dad that's just kind
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of crazy you know but i think that might just be my perspective that might just be.
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It is a weird, weird deal how you, like, I don't know if you've seen this,
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like, how you feel this, like, how you see yourself and how you think about
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how other people think about you.
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Because just even me talking about this, you might not have ever even thought
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about this, like, how you even look at me as your dad.
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Because I'm thinking about, like, my dad. I don't really, he's just my dad.
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I'm not thinking about all that,
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you know? It's just like, and that's probably, like, how you are. Yeah.
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But it's like when the roles are reversed, I'm just like obsessed over it.
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I'm just always like, I feel like everyone's looking at me.
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Eyes are always on me. But then really in reality, nobody's looking.
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Everybody's doing their own thing. Yeah. Do you feel like that at all?
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I guess because, yeah, I guess so. Yeah. I just got a lot of thoughts.
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Yeah, I like when that happens. I understand what you mean, and then it's just
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hard for me to get the word at. You know? Mm-hmm.
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Yeah. I really don't know. What do you mean, Bonnie? Tell me what you're talking about.
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I'm not good with words like you are.
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Me good with words? I'm terrible with words. A lot of times I can't get out a sentence.
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A lot of times I'm talking, but the point isn't coming out.
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A lot of times I'm talking and I can't, or it comes out not the way I'm intending.
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And then I'm just like, you know, I've never been good with like really great with words.
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And that's why like just me even just doing podcasting is like almost help like, Thank you.
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I don't, I don't, it's made me like forced me into it to try to improve,
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but like, I don't know if I have gotten better at it. I'm just like.
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Oh, I think, I think you have got gotten better at it because you're more like confident with it.
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You've done it for a little bit. You're pretty good at it. I think.
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Bonnie, thank you. I, I, I want to believe that.
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I think it's true. Well, thank you.
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But you so out of all of us i'd say that out of the our family would you say like,
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i'm most talkative or do you take that are you
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the most talkative i'm not the most talkative i
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yeah i wouldn't say that at all that's why i feel like i'm the only one i
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got i think like i feel like i'm just a crazy guy
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just like on the side of the road just like just kind
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of constantly going and you all are just like it's that's
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dad or that's brandon he's like
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like you've almost like tuned me out like i
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am i you know or am
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i am i just hyper fixated and just on myself and
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just thinking that am i not am i not seeing clearly am i
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not seeing clearly i feel like i'm like just like
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i don't even know like i'm crazy crazy
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man but what do you think i'm just dad to you
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yeah you know yeah if
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you think you like messed up somehow or
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something or something didn't go right uh-huh people don't
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pay attention that much um people notice
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people won't care nobody's gonna say anything nobody's gonna even care they
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only care about themselves they care about what they're doing they're not even
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gonna you think it's really bad because that's all you can think about that's
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the only thing you're doing you think everything everyone's eyes are on you.
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They're really not so oh yeah,
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it that always happens to me i feel like everyone's eyes are on me sometimes
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if i mess up or something it's not that bad people don't care that much they'll
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notice they won't say anything they don't care that's the only thing like what
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like is there an example or anything i don't think so.
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It's just that's happened i think because
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you're you're in the thick of it you're not you're not sophie's level
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where you're going into high school but you're kind of in like i remember
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like in middle school you're where you're at they call it
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junior high but i don't i whenever i
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was at it was it was called middle school middle school yeah so
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but like i just read school back then
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it like it felt like a prison like you're
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there you're just forced to go but you're with your friends and
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really i found like some of the best friends i've ever had were
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the ones i grew up with then you know i
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know a lot of people they grow up and they then they get out of high school or
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and they become friends with more different people or
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whatever and that's who but like for me is like those are
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the ones like you're really going through it most you're like a lot
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of your life yeah but like i do you have
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where like any like with like popularity or
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or is that even a do you know what popularity is but like do you have i guess
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it i is is there any drama like do you ever feel like at your school like i
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you're probably well you're experiencing it different than me like with me like
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with a boy they're not that's there's not drama or like that or popularity i
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don't think but i just think on the girl's side.
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Is that a thing yeah like you you want to try to
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you always feel like you don't want to be left out like
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there's the group and you don't want to be the one not invited to the
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birthday party you ever have that you're like
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invited to a lot of birthday parties you but like you you kind of
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like yeah you're but there is drama yeah definitely
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because but i don't see you starting
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drama i'm not starting i'm the one who's out of it there's just
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like this one girl she just
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wants to have drama uh-huh she just
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wants to have drama she wants to be the center of attention uh-huh and
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that's all it is yeah but i'm always out of it
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i'm with my friends in the group and if
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people want to go back and forth i'm out of it oh yeah yeah
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if i'm in a situation i tell
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people don't get me involved into it you
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say that yes that's good because you don't want to get involved to it because
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i think a lot of like the kids they're gonna know like well if bonnie's not
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gonna kind of feed the drama or make it make it a big deal or it's not fun sharing
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it with her like they're not going to do it and they're not going to kind of
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include you in that and i think that's a good thing to stay out of you know
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because then it's like i don't know it's kind of like just,
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somebody's mad at somebody or somebody i'm the supporter i'm the one who if
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something's happened they're the one to talk to uh-huh that's what i feel like oh yeah but.
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But i'm just you're the difference like the year is
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2026 when i was in middle school it was
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probably like the 90s can you imagine that oh
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my god like the 1900s bonnie we had
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wagons and horses and you had
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to walk over mount everest yeah yeah to get
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that's we there was no cars there were there was no i'm
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just joking there was those things i live in a really weird
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stage like because i'm i was the
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the internet really wasn't a thing until i like in
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the 90s pretty much and that it started becoming a thing like your
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whole life there's the internet and there's
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there's smartphones there's now
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there's like rowan who's you know one years old all he's gonna ever know is
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ai like he's been born into a time period that there is ai you know and like
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it was always just a thing like when we were growing up oh that was just a fictional
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reality but like A lot of the things back then,
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they're all happening now.
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We always thought about what about flying cars or self-driving cars or being able to talk.
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Dick Tracy, he looked at a screen and he talked with somebody,
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but that's what we do every day now. We have FaceTime.
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Those things seem futuristic.
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You know what I mean? But in your day in life, do you even think about the technology that we have?
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No, I just grew up with it.
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Yeah. Yeah, I never thought of like not...
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Not having a phone not something to look at not something to not
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a car not a bus or whatever not knowing
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what a flying car we have planes now we
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have all that stuff oh yeah so now it's not futuristic yeah
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i don't know what's gonna be what are we
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thinking the future is gonna be like because we already have like
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all the technology the ai whatever i don't
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know what people think about that what do you think about ai do you
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know much about it are kids your age even talking about it they're
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not talking about it but it's
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just like everyone knows it yeah do you know what it
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is yeah it's kind of like it's like
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somehow and i think a lot of this technology that we have i think it's been
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given to us a lot of it from some type of beings out there i i think they're
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like whether you want to call it aliens or or like supernatural beings like
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angels or something i I think that the people at the top,
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somehow we've been, we've, because it all came all of a sudden,
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you know, and I think that like, we couldn't have just naturally created this.
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We, because a lot of people don't even know exactly what it is,
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like, like how we are, how we have these devices, like how we actually have them.
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I know there's a, probably an explanation like about it, but like, I just think about.
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Steve Jobs, he's the one who created the iPhone and created like Apple,
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like somehow he, he had to have been tapped into something to,
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to be able to, to get this, like, because it just seems so crazy.
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I, I can't explain. I, I, sometimes I just think about like,
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I, I can't explain like how couldn't explain how like the internet works or
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how the things that we do every day that we just take for granted,
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like how it's actually been doing it. You know what I mean?
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But like, what do you think about all that like is that
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because a lot of things i i i take myself
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to the deep end on a lot of things because i almost
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want to test all the boundaries of the the extremity
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of what i'm thinking or is it nonsense
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and then i kind of reel it in like is that too far or
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i think there is some truth there because i i think there
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i believe that that is i don't think that just normal
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regular people came up with all of this stuff but what
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do you think i don't know i don't understand how
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you can like it all started with just like earth that's all there is there's
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nothing here and then how do you get like i don't know anything to like work
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how do you get like if you just look at everything in here how do you like get
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this how do you get that how do you make foam how do you like i think about that too.
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And I know people do that. I know people like have jobs and they're able to,
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they could describe to you, well, we get this piece, we get this piece.
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But it's just like maybe just this long history of humans. It's just crazy the
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things that humans have put together. That astounds me so much.
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Like it's like I don't know how we've done this.
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But I just do think we've gotten some type of leg up.
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I do, some type of knowledge has been given to us.
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I believe, you know. and i i
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don't think it's too far-fetched because being a christian like we can
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we understand that this little like universe we
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live in is there's something outside of it there we believe there is not everybody
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believes that but i i don't know like for you do you do you think about that
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like of like just in general like kids your age are they talking about like
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things deeper than just school,
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what I'm going to do this weekend, or do they ever talk about, like,
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God and talk about, like, things beyond this life?
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No, they don't. Really? Yeah, they don't.
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And I wasn't doing that either. Like whenever I grew up, like,
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and I think a lot of the kids, because I think a lot of Christians,
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even if you're, you're Christians, like in your, your friends are Christians,
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it's, you don't, not everybody has a deep conversation, you know,
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and even people we go to church with, it's like you go to church with them and
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you don't dive into the deepest things.
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What is like the craziest thing I have in the back of my mind? What's going on?
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You really just talk about the weather or who's playing this Sunday or something like that.
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We're not talking, talking about like, And like, I just know that maybe that's, it's too deep.
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It's too, people like to say on surface level stuff because it's easier,
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but I've just, that's maybe that's why I'm so averse to small talk.
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I, I don't want, I've, and I've had people like that.
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I'd share with me, like, I get very intense. I get very intense and like in
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very deep and because I don't really care about just saying,
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and I will say those stupid things to me that, oh, that was a good game last night.
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And I do like sports and all that and politics but like.
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I, I almost like, it just seems like so boring. It's like, I want like the deep
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secrets of the universe.
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What's going on? Like, and like talk about those things. What do you think about that?
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Is that too intense? I, I need, I know I need to back off a little bit.
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That's probably why I stay quiet a lot of times because all this would come
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out and, you know, and like no one in my school, like talks about that kind
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of stuff. And like, none of my friend group does.
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And I don't, I don't know why we just like, it's never like,
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we're all, i think we're all christians like they
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all go to church and stuff i don't know for sure yeah but
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like we never like talked about like
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gone deep into it you know like oh yeah we've probably
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had a conversation about like something i think we
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did but we never not really like
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have ever had something like that oh yeah yeah i mean
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i didn't become a christian until i be after high school so
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i was like i went to church and i did all that stuff and
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i do remember i i've said i probably said this story before like
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i remember with my friend who was a christian and i
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was like we were sitting at it we were just sitting at a
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house or whatever and he had his bible and i was and i said to him
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you actually believe all that like i was talking about the bible i
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said you believe all that like like because i i couldn't
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ever intellectually believe it but i probably didn't
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ever really read it a lot of people like
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they talk about the bible but they don't even really read it because
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it's it's i think a lot of it
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i think it's just like the devil wants to keep us out of it you know
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he wants to keep everybody distracted with something else and
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doing everything else and thinking about everything else as opposed to that
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being god's word because if you actually get into it and start reading it i
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don't think i really ever read the bible until i became a christian oh yeah
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i think my friend gave me it and i like a 365 day bible and i started reading it.
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But like, it didn't make sense. Some of it like made me think, made me think.
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But I remember just talking to him and he was, I, I, I, like I was talking about
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the Psalms. Do you know what the Psalms are? No.
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The Psalms, well, the Psalms are like the books, like the poetry and like the
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music and the Bible, like the King David, there's 150 Psalms.
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And I, there was a part of that in each day of the Bible, day of the Bible.
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And I was like, I was telling him, well, whenever I get to that part, I just skip over to that.
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Cause that's just like, praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God.
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And I was like, I didn't think I was, you know what I mean? And he was like,
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that's some of the best stuff.
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And really, if you get into it, it is awesome because it's like a genuine human,
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what he's going through and him crying out to God, pouring his heart out to
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God. You know, that's what the Psalms are.
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It's King David. Most of them are King David just sharing his struggles,
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you know, in this. Yeah. But what do you think about all that?
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So much to take in. I don't know, like about the Psalms or like what part about it?
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Oh what like just in general like about
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like talking about the bible do you and your friends do
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they are are they talking about any of this talking about god
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talking about jesus talking about the bible i'm
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what do you think i don't know i kind of
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wish we did but sometimes it's
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awkward it can be yeah it can
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be but it's not good for it to be awkward
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you should be able to talk about that stuff without being awkward
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but it just is i we never i never think about that it's kind of bad i don't
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think about that in school i don't know why i just doesn't when you're going
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throughout your day do you think about jesus being there yeah i did i do i.
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Sometimes like i just almost feel in there and he's just like with me and i don't know it's.
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Kind of cool and sometimes when i'm
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in a certain place where like i'm doing a certain thing i just
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know he's there and he's yeah just like
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yeah i don't know just like that it's yeah it's for me it's tough like i'm all
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i've never really felt where like i i feel his presence i do you ever feel his
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presence like i don't like i know he's there but like it's just the where you
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have to almost to me it's that faith thing like if we knew if we saw god right
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there or we felt him like Like right with us,
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really faith wouldn't be a thing, but it's like in this life,
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like that's the way it is.
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It's like, God's made it like perfectly clear and perfectly feel like he's not there at all.
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And like, that's where faith has to be a thing because like,
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it's just, because like, it's since the, like the beginning,
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what happened was we got separated him from him.
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Like God can't be in the presence of, you know, sin and this fallen world.
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So he's like almost like off the scene but like he gave us all the evidence to trust in him,
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and it's like when when we go to be with him like all our faith what we think about him,
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that won't be a thing anymore because we'll we'll see him we'll be right with
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him you know what i mean yeah but like so do you i know that's kind of maybe
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a kind of weird or just but talk about like but throughout your day do you feel
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like you ever you're talking to jesus or does i know you I feel like you do,
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you know, or I've never, I'm not really a person like,
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I don't get, it's hard for me to get, I have to force myself to get on my knees and pray to him.
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Because once I do what I'm actually just doing that.
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I don't know what to say a lot of times because I immediately think,
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well, you know what I'm thinking. So it's hard for me to say it and I don't have anything new.
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I don't have anything to say as opposed to just throughout my day, just talking to him.
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And like, I'm just constantly talking to him, you know? Yeah. But what do you think?
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I, a lot, a lot of the days I'm, I am constantly talking with him.
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It's like not when I'm around people. I just, I just am.
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And I just, I don't know. I just talked to him like as a friend like I don't
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know I'm just talking about what's going on oh yeah yeah it's kind of just what I did.
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I remember when I first became a Christian, I felt like I was kind of like this.
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Like I was just like nonstop.
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When I was talking to him, I thought I was annoying him. Like I felt like I
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must be annoying God by the much I'm just talking.
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But it felt like I was just like a brand new baby. And I was just like,
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I had so much and I just couldn't like stop. I was so excited.
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Did you have a moment where you, like you at that moment, you knew you believed?
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Or did you just kind of like casually or slowly?
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I just grew up with it. and that's you just kind
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of yeah early on just yeah just knew
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i just knew that's all i know yeah i think you're in
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that in that way you're kind of like your mom because she became a christian when she
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was seven years old like she you know
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and it's not it's you're not you're not born a christian you're
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not born that way i guess the only person that you could say was born
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that way would be john the baptist he was
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a person that he was filled with the holy spirit in his mom's womb
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he was the cousin of jesus yeah and he
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you know like like the term christian that
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just became a label that people later on
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after jesus had died and rose again that
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these guys were just calling making like making fun of these christians it was
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like a derogatory term to like say oh these little christians these little christ
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followers they called them christians you know that's what i've heard that it
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was kind of like it wasn't like
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a and then they just it became the thing so but i I just think for me,
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it's just always been like, I do sometimes as right now, I'm just kind of just
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talking because I don't really have a, like where I'm going towards this,
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you know, I'm just talking,
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I have that sometimes I'll just be randomly, I don't know where I just try to
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find her as I'm going along the way, but I just know with, with,
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with Christ, you know, I know when I became a Christian, there were so many
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changes that happened immediately.
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It was an all of a sudden moment. It was like a, a, a Saul of Tarsus moment for me.
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You know the story i you've probably shared it like you
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know i it was a dramatic moment in my
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life that i knew that was when it happened but not
35:42
everybody has that and i but i do still think that every
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person there is a moment there is a
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moment and you might not know that moment that happened but
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there is a moment when you turn from unbelieving to faith and to believe in
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in jesus you know you might not have known exactly when it was but it there
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is because i think the only way that somebody can believe is if God quickens
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them or makes them alive so that they can believe. Did you know that?
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So it's like, and not everybody agrees with this, but like, it's kind of like
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all of humanity, we're all born in a state of sin and bondage to sin.
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We're under the power of Satan.
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You know, we're like, we're blind to the things of God. We
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don't love god we he that he the god has to
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almost make us alive he has to by his
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holy spirit like be born again and then
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once we are that way then we can we come to
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him in faith you know and trust and trust in him
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yeah but well bonnie did
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you have anything else you wanted to talk about or anything you wanted to
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share not really i know we kind
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of just did this kind of impromptu i just know we hadn't done it in forever you
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know so this i don't have like a button that i'm going to be able to go boop
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I'm gonna have to actually go over there so that might look kind of weird on
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camera but I thank you for everyone that has been a part of this being able
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to talk about this me and Bonnie I was good good getting to catch up with you
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I'm sure I'll see you around sometime okay all right see y'all.