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Say Who, Say Pod, Ep. 156 · Say Who, Say Pod

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  SPEAKER_01: Pod.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to another episode of Say Who Say Pod.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's Danny O'Neill.
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  SPEAKER_01: No tie for Danny, but he is wearing the sports coat.
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  SPEAKER_02: I kind of liked how it looked last week.
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  SPEAKER_02: I kind of liked how it looked.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's a, maybe it's some vanity peeking through.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe there is a glimpse of my,
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  SPEAKER_02: my former self who used to,
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  SPEAKER_02: who used to somewhat dress up each day for work,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I,
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  SPEAKER_02: I kind of liked how it looked.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that's what fed the algorithm.
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  SPEAKER_01: They pulled, they were like, who's this sharp looking guy?
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's feed this to Husky fans.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks to everybody listening anywhere, as always.
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  But a special shout-out to folks who are listening slash
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  watching on YouTube,
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  SPEAKER_01: who watched our YouTube debut last week.
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  quite the strong reception i gotta say i'm not a podcast
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  watcher but a lot of
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  people are it's an interesting phenomenon i think with our show
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  in particular when
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  you hear 150 some episodes of two people and then you have a
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  chance to like see
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  like what do these guys actually look like you know what is uh
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  what is the inside
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  of christian capel's home office in tacoma look like and then
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  you see it and you're
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  SPEAKER_01: like oh okay
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  Last week I was squatting in front of a table in a hotel room
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  at the Sheraton in
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  SPEAKER_02: downtown Seattle,
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  SPEAKER_02: but now I'm back in lovely New York City.
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  yeah well it's slightly better microphone a little bit yeah i
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  do have i do have a
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  much better microphone instead although i like the look of
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  people like holding
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  their the iphone headphone little thing for the earbuds in
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  front of them like a
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  microphone i think it's such a low rent janky way of doing it
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  that i i like the
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  aesthetic of it people love the organic the organic vibe man
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  they like that
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  We're going to talk about star freshmen at Washington training
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  camp today.
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  First,
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  Danny,
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  I want to put you in the position of general manager slash head
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  coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're heading up a recruiting department.
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  And let's say that that recruiting department is at the
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  University of Arizona in
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  SPEAKER_01: Tucson,
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  SPEAKER_01: Arizona.
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  And let's say there's a high school player,
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  a receiver,
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  playing his high school ball
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  SPEAKER_01: 20 minutes from your stadium, thereabouts, you could say he's local.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  He's not the ideal height for a receiver,
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  and he does not have elite speed for his size.
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  So he's not a guy that the big programs on the West Coast are
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  probably going to be,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: clamoring for.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is someone who you could probably get if you wanted.
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  SPEAKER_01: But...
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  SPEAKER_01: He's the state's all time record holder in career receptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is a 50 tackle multi-interception guy as a safety.
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  He is a decathlete and he plays basketball and he's the Arizona
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  state Gatorade
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  SPEAKER_01: player of the year in football.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would you recruit him?
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: Would you, would you reach out at that point?
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  SPEAKER_02: I would have to have a compelling reason.
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  SPEAKER_02: Look,
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  SPEAKER_02: I will have a general rule of thumb.
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  SPEAKER_02: If the guy is named the best high school player in your state,
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  I would need a compelling reason not to have him come to my
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  school if I'm a public
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  SPEAKER_02: university.
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  I would need a compelling reason that this just isn't going to
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  work at the next
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  SPEAKER_02: level to not be offering him,
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  SPEAKER_02: absolutely reaching out to him,
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  SPEAKER_02: but really want him on the team.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jed Fish agreed with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when he was the head coach at Arizona,
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  SPEAKER_01: his staff did indeed recruit Desmond Roebuck,
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  SPEAKER_01: star athlete from Marana High School.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's just outside Tucson or actually in Tucson.
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  SPEAKER_01: The address is one thing, but it's basically in Tucson.
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  Not surprising that he still wanted him when that staff came to
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  Washington.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not surprising that Desmond Roebuck committed to Washington.
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  SPEAKER_01: And to that staff that believed in him all along.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would you believe that Arizona's new coaching staff did not recruit him?
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  SPEAKER_02: It surprises me.
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  Was it so much of a done deal that he was going with fish that
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  they didn't?
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  SPEAKER_02: But even then, you've got to be reaching out to him, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Even if it's just a formality at that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would guess...
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  there was probably some thought that like,
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  well,
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  the groundwork's been laid.
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  SPEAKER_01: He loves that staff.
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  SPEAKER_01: If they want him, they're going to get him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's not waste our time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But imagine Jed Fish and his staff coming into UW and they're being,
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  SPEAKER_01: and again,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're not talking about a blue chip recruit,
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  SPEAKER_01: so it's a little bit different.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's criminally underrated for what he was in high school.
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  Imagine Jed Fish and his staff coming to UW and there's a kid
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  at,
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  I don't know,
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  kennedy catholic or federal way or who's like the state's
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  all-time all-time leader
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  in receptions and a gatorade state player of the year and one
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  of the best athletes
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  in the history of his school and you could get him and you
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  decide yeah we're just
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  SPEAKER_01: not going to bother because he's probably going somewhere else
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  People who have listened to this podcast for any length of time
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  understand that I
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  SPEAKER_02: was less than full-throated in my enthusiasm for Jed Fish,
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  SPEAKER_02: first when he was at Arizona,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then later even before the actual hiring at Washington.
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  SPEAKER_02: One of the most significant things that I heard in people telling me,
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  SPEAKER_02: hey,
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  SPEAKER_02: you need to reconsider that or this is actually a good position.
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  One came from someone on Twitter and another came from someone
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  who I know who's a
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  high school coach down in Arizona saying Jed Fish did an
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  incredible job of
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  SPEAKER_02: rebuilding relationships with local high school coaches down there.
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  SPEAKER_02: That what had happened was
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  SPEAKER_02: While someone was at at Arizona and to a lesser extent,
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  even Rich Rod that Jed Fish had gone in and done really hard
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  work to build
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  SPEAKER_02: relationships with the schools.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the right way to.
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  I think that's I think that's how you have to do things unless
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  you are at one of
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  SPEAKER_02: the eight to twelve.
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  schools that are legitimate no doubt about it blue bloods
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  unless you're at uh
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  michigan unless you're at alabama and even then i don't think
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  you can completely
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  write off your local your local school so if only for the
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  appearances of this is
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  who we are we recruit good great football players in our state
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  i think i think you
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  SPEAKER_02: have to make those calls
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  And maybe the comparison to like,
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  oh,
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  if they came to Washington and a Seattle guy,
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  would they?
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's not even the right comparison.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I think Washington,
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  SPEAKER_01: and this has always been the case,
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  SPEAKER_01: but especially in the Big Ten,
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  SPEAKER_01: you've got to feel like
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  there's no reason why every one of our receiver signees every
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  year shouldn't be a
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  SPEAKER_01: four-star guy because of your proximity to California.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's just a lot of available skill talent out here.
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  And so if you're going to take someone who doesn't have the
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  offers and is rated a
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  SPEAKER_01: little bit lower,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's because you really,
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  SPEAKER_01: really believe in them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, did that with Desmond Roebuck, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were clearly, really believed in him at Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I,
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  Arizona is a recruiting program that's so thriving that you
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  don't even want to,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  go hard after the kid in Tucson who's the all-time leader in
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  receptions in the
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  SPEAKER_01: state who's,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: this just awesome athlete,
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  SPEAKER_01: too,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Does everything...
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  great defensive player great hands great route runner just he's
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  like he's a ball
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  player and you know that's that's the word you'd use to
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  describe him he's a ball
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  player so you know you look at arizona's 25 class and it's like
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  man they didn't
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  think he was worth like a crying like i i don't want to go too
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  hard on it because
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  SPEAKER_01: you don't know that you don't know the details but i just do i feel like
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  I feel like years could pass and you could look at Desmond
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  Robux recruiting profile
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  SPEAKER_01: and you say,
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  SPEAKER_01: okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: Arizona state offered him.
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  And then like a couple FCS programs offered him,
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  where was Arizona on this kid?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it, you know, it might've been wasted effort anyway.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Hey, he was all set for Jed fish.
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  And even if he had that little Arizona offer on there,
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  what,
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  what difference would it have made?
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  SPEAKER_01: But I say all this to say,
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  SPEAKER_01: As we sit here now on Wednesday,
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  SPEAKER_01: August 6th,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Washington has practiced six times this camp,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not terribly surprised that...
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  underrated under recruited Desmond Roebuck has been one of the
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  most impressive
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  SPEAKER_01: players in camp so far.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now he's getting opportunities with Denzel Boston on the sideline.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think if Raiden Vines bright is healthy,
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  SPEAKER_01: he probably is first in line among freshmen receivers to play.
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  You got to see him a little bit in the spring game,
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  but Desmond Roebuck catches everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Seems like he's always open.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a pretty natural fluid mover.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think his best 100 meter time in high school was like 11.5.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was not as a senior.
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  So I think it's probably fair to assume he's a little faster
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  than that now.
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  SPEAKER_01: But even if he weren't,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: if he had the same exact high school career in Tuscaloosa,
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  SPEAKER_01: Alabama,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think anybody's going to be saying like,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh my God,
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  SPEAKER_01: how did Alabama not recruit this guy?
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  SPEAKER_01: Alabama can get five star, four star, top 100 elite athletes.
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  Guys are going to be high NFL draft picks basically at will at
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  that position.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that...
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  The size speed combination probably precludes him from being on
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  the board of a lot
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  SPEAKER_01: of programs at receiver.
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  I think there are probably a lot of programs that just have
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  he's how tall.
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  SPEAKER_01: OK, well, if that's his height, he needs to be this fast.
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  SPEAKER_01: OK, he's not that fast.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, then we're not going to recruit him.
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  SPEAKER_01: But watch the tape.
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  SPEAKER_01: Turn on the tape.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a ball player.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're seeing that at practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's had a couple crushing blocks.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could tell he's a big effort guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could tell he works really hard.
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  Jed Fish called him out before practice even started as a guy
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  that he was already
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  SPEAKER_01: hearing about in workouts.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know...
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  SPEAKER_01: what the depth chart looks like for him this year.
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  It seems like they only,
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  we talked last week,
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  they only want to play four receivers.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know Denzel Boston,
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  SPEAKER_01: regularly anyway,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know Denzel Boston and Rasheed Williams are going to be involved.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know Amari Evans and Kevin Green are going to be involved.
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  SPEAKER_01: It seems like Raiden Vinesbright's probably involved.
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  Audrick Harris is in the mix,
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  and so you're getting a little bit crowded there.
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  But whether it's this year or down the road,
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  I mean,
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  he just seems like the kind of guy...
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, every program has them every now and then.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where is he the biggest guy?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is he the fastest guy?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: But just watch him play.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, he's a football player.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is a receiver.
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  SPEAKER_01: He knows how to play the position.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you familiar with the book Range?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not.
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  So it is a book written by David Epstein,
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  who is he's a journalist,
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  nonfiction writer.
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  And the book range is is about athletic development and the
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  premise of the book,
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  SPEAKER_02: which some people have said is unconvincing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I found it very compelling was that.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is an increasing belief in America,
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  especially that specialization early on is how you get to be an
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  elite athlete.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're seeing kids specialize in sports earlier and younger.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that actually the research will show you that for the most part,
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  SPEAKER_02: that is a recipe to peak early.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that if you spend all your time focused on a sport,
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  SPEAKER_02: say you play soccer from the age of 10 on...
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  SPEAKER_02: You may you may reach your peak at a younger age.
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  And whereas in Federer is probably the best example of someone
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  who played a lot of
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  SPEAKER_02: different sports and kind of messed around in his teenage years,
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  SPEAKER_02: wasn't the tennis specialist that so many in that sport were increased.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, especially 20 and 30 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: that having that well-rounded background actually provides a basis.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even if your skill level at the age of 18,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're not as good of a player that you have more room to grow.
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  Once you focus and specialize,
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  it's something I heard a lot from NFL scouts.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: in,
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  SPEAKER_02: in football,
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  SPEAKER_02: the exception tends to be quarterback that everybody,
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  quarterbacks are quarterbacks from a fairly young age and they
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  stay quarterbacks
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  SPEAKER_02: until they're moved to another position.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: When you talked about Roebuck's background as a decathlete,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially in playing other sports,
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  SPEAKER_02: that was the first thing that I thought of.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will always...
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  I will always prefer a football recruit who has a well-rounded
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  athletic background
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  SPEAKER_02: when it comes to projecting their future.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think they're better off.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's true in skills.
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  SPEAKER_02: I also think it's good in terms of mentality.
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  Isaiah Stanback was obviously,
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  he was the top quarterback recruit in the state his senior
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  year.
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  But he also started on a really good Garfield basketball team,
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  and he was not a scorer.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was a rebounder and a defender.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think the different roles,
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  SPEAKER_02: like playing other sports where you're not necessarily the folk,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think there's so many things to be gained from it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the other person I thought about as you were talking about him,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it's not quite the same,
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  SPEAKER_02: but Nate Burleson.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nate Burleson was a Washington recruit under Jim Lambright.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lambright is fired.
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  SPEAKER_02: Neuheisel comes in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Neuheisel, it's fairly well known, pulled a scholarship offer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kind of decided he's here because he's a legacy recruit.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're not doing that anymore.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Neuheisel has since said that was clearly a mistake.
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  But one of the things Neuheisel looked at was the other
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  scholarship offers he had.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that was actually a huge part of Neuheisel's.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Nate, Nate was someone who played multiple sports.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nate was someone who was a track athlete.
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  SPEAKER_02: And
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  Nate was someone who ended up being a third-round pick out of
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  Nevada,
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  Reno.
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  SPEAKER_02: So...
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  SPEAKER_02: I think,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially as recruiting has developed,
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  and this isn't me just crapping on the recruiting rankings or
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  it doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_02: It matters.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those are an attempt at an objective evaluation of people's talents.
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  SPEAKER_02: The most important thing remains how good that player becomes,
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  SPEAKER_02: how much they can improve over the course of their time in football.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think someone who is a one-sport player
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  and focuses exclusively on that and maybe even one position has
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  less room to grow
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  as they're in college um so i this this opening has prompted me
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  to get fully on
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  board the the the roebuck hype train the the bandwagon i'm
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  firing up the bandwagon
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  SPEAKER_02: anybody wants to jump along i'll be driving
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  Is this where we need to say it's been six practices for crying
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  out loud?
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't even know.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is this is the time of year for unrestrained enthusiasm, Christian.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't need any sort of we'll see what it's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: as Gary Payton would say,
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  SPEAKER_02: when the popcorn's hot.
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  No,
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  we just get to blather on about the beautiful trajectory that
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  is the season ahead.
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  This is a guy Chris Peterson staff would have evaluated and
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  said,
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  we have to have this guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have to have him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look at how he plays football.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'd say he was their kind of guy, Danny.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's Jed Fish's kind of guy, too, for crying out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an example,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think,
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  of the fact that I think Jed Fish cares more about where
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  Washington winds up in the
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  SPEAKER_01: recruiting rankings than your average head coach does.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously,
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  SPEAKER_01: Their offer decisions are not dictated by that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think this is an example of there were other guys in this class.
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  SPEAKER_01: They went after hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: There were, you know, shoot, look at Washington's receiver class.
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  SPEAKER_01: They took five guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at one point or another, three of them were four star recruits.
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  they felt like they had to have Desmond Roebuck because they
• 17:14
  looked at his tape and
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  SPEAKER_01: thought he was a really good football player who could help them,
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I,
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  SPEAKER_01: I,
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  I think he's an example of trusting your eyes and trusting your
• 17:25
  evaluation and
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  SPEAKER_01: ignoring some of the rankings and not getting so caught up in,
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh,
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: we've got,
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: we've got three blue chippers in this class and,
• 17:36
  And and also this guy,
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  you know,
• 17:38
  this wasn't this like this wasn't a plan B thing for them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think they just legit like in their mind,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: this this guy probably should have been rated a lot higher.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I predict and I've kind of felt this way.
• 17:50
  I felt this way a little bit going into camp,
• 17:52
  just watching his highlights.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: God, this guy just looks like he knows how to play receiver.
• 17:57
  I predict you're going to hear plenty from Desmond Roebuck as a
• 18:00
  receiver at
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Washington over the next few years will be this year.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's off to a great start, but particularly 26 and 27.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would think he could be a big part of this offense.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: How many true freshmen do you think will play this year?
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  And maybe I should even say,
• 18:16
  like,
• 18:16
  how many true freshmen will not redshirt?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: I've been thinking about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's safe to say John Mills will not.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gotten some reps with the ones.
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  SPEAKER_01: Physically, I think he's ready.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not a, like we talked last week, right?
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  It's not a situation of throwing a Nick Harris in there as a
• 18:34
  true freshman.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think he looks the part.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Champ Tali Alea is going to be on the depth chart for sure.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  how much he plays like they haven't really given him any number
• 18:45
  one turns yet
• 18:46
  during camp so we'll see so like i don't know is he a guy who
• 18:50
  you definitely want
• 18:51
  to get in there more than four games if you commit to that do
• 18:54
  you want to make sure
• 18:55
  you get him in in every game do you want to make sure he plays
• 18:57
  on special teams i
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  would i'd probably lean away from red shirting for him to have
• 19:03
  a hard time seeing
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: radon vines bright red shirt i think he's playing
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like Desmond Roebuck is on the path toward not red shirting.
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  SPEAKER_01: But again, receivers crowded.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: could Austin Simmons as the number four tight end,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  do you want to play four tight ends enough where you'd burn his
• 19:26
  red shirt?
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  SPEAKER_01: He's kind of on the cusp probably.
• 19:29
  Ryland Dillon Allard at safety sure seems like he's a lock to
• 19:34
  play this year.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's been getting turns with the ones during camp.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: But that's with Mikella Steen banged up a little bit right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when Steen is healthy,
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think right this second,
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  SPEAKER_01: your starting duo is probably Mikella Steen and Alex McLaughlin.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's really made a move, the transfer from Northern Arizona.
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  We learned yesterday that Alex McLaughlin is up from 185 pounds
• 19:57
  to 200 this Camp Danny.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  he texts taylor mays his weight every day yesterday was 201 in
• 20:05
  case you're
• 20:06
  wondering uh i love the fact that taylor mays is coaching
• 20:10
  safeties yeah you can so
• 20:14
  he joked he said mclaughlin came up and bumped him and said hey
• 20:18
  i'm 201 today and
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: mays was like i'm 235 yeah i think
• 20:24
  I wonder how long Taylor's been above 220,
• 20:27
  because it might be since he was 18 or 19.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: He was a grown man when he was a high school senior.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Bruce Feldman put out his freaks list for The Athletic this week.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think Taylor Mays probably would have been on that a few times.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, God, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Do you think Washington will play more true freshmen than most
• 20:49
  Big Ten schools?
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  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think, um, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just think they added some pieces at positions of need.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's also,
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  SPEAKER_01: uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: can't,
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  SPEAKER_01: can't wrap up the true freshman saying with,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mentioned Dylan Robinson.
• 21:06
  I think he's definitely,
• 21:07
  he's pretty clearly a number two cornerback right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd imagine they'll find ways to get him on the field,
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: six foot three and 200 pounds and runs a 10,
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  SPEAKER_01: seven.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: you get that guy in the field, right?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so what's that, seven?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:25
  and we don't know yet what Zadrius Rainey Saleh's availability
• 21:28
  is going to be.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: He looks good.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Him and Jacob,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: you wouldn't know Jacob Mon,
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: who's coming off an ACL injury by the way he's going through drills.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can tell he wants out there badly.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Rainey Saleh looks like he's moving well, too.
• 21:43
  One of our longtime subscribers,
• 21:46
  Christopher Ulrich,
• 21:47
  pointed out in a YouTube comment that,
• 21:49
  just watching the drills and stuff that rainy sale looks like a
• 21:53
  like he's going to
• 21:53
  be a game wrecker and like you could just if you watch the
• 21:56
  linebackers go through
• 21:57
  drills and you don't know anything about washington really you
• 21:59
  he's the guy you'd
• 22:00
  point to and go who is that like that dude's huge and you know
• 22:04
  from his high school
• 22:05
  film how fast and and physical he is so i'm sure they can't
• 22:08
  wait to get him out
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: there either this this year with the kind of the
• 22:13
  veteran presence they have with Buddha Alukta linebacker and
• 22:16
  Devin Bryant has
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: really made a move.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: And to get Manu back, that's one more.
• 22:20
  I think that's still TBD on whether they play him or hold him
• 22:22
  back for next year.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: But that's another guy who could get involved.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Devin Hyde's been getting some number two turns at edge rusher.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's with Isaiah Ward and Deshaun Lynch both banged up.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: So once they're back,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: does that push him down far enough to where you could redshirt him?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about it before.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think Jed Fish just doesn't really think about it with freshmen.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's, hey, who can help the team?
• 22:48
  And if you're the third best corner and maybe you're only going
• 22:53
  to play 80 to 100
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: snaps or something like that,
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: like you're not you're not thinking about four years from now.
• 23:01
  in place of what can this guy do to help the team win,
• 23:04
  you know,
• 23:05
  today in this season.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I think guys who are borderline,
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: like you saw with Pocky Fina last year,
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think there was some effort to,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: okay,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: this guy,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: you could probably find ways to get him into six to eight games,
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: but just as easily keep it at three and let him red shirt.
• 23:20
  So I think they probably will end up like playing more freshmen
• 23:24
  than the average,
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: like healthy big 10 program,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: a school like Purdue,
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: a school like Atlanta,
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Maryland,
• 23:31
  I'd expect Maryland to see a lot of true freshmen on the field
• 23:33
  at Maryland,
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: probably starting a true freshman quarterback.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: They had a decent recruiting class.
• 23:41
  I'm interested in their approach to just putting those guys out
• 23:46
  there and getting
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: them opportunities.
• 23:49
  You think back to the way Chris Peterson's staff handled some
• 23:53
  of this stuff,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: and they had true freshmen contribute.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: His first year, Buda Baker started at safety day one.
• 24:01
  His last year,
• 24:01
  Trent McDuffie was a starting cornerback by the third game,
• 24:06
  I want to say.
• 24:07
  And so the guys who really picked it up right away and showed
• 24:15
  that they belonged
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: and they got their opportunities,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: but also that same season...
• 24:21
  There was a lot of clamoring for a certain freshman playmaker
• 24:25
  at receiver who
• 24:27
  currently is doing an okay job for the Los Angeles Rams to get
• 24:31
  on the field,
• 24:32
  who seemed to catch a touchdown every time they threw it to him
• 24:36
  in a receiver core
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: that was not terribly talented.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they held him back a bit.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that Jed Fish approaches things the same way.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: The Puka conversation is interesting.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was also going to point out, they did also redshirt Byron Murphy.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: And we've gone back and forth,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: and I know how hard it would have been for him to get on the field.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll just say,
• 24:59
  if you're good enough to go to the NFL after three seasons of
• 25:02
  college football,
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: you don't need a redshirt.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's a way they can find for you to do something.
• 25:07
  They've lost nothing by letting him play,
• 25:11
  by finding ways to get him into the game.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: And that's hindsight, right?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like that is hindsight of saying,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: if you know now that you're not going to get a red shirt junior season,
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: you're not going to get his third season of football.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: He's not going to stay there for a fourth year.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: But...
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: That being said, I mean, Earl Thomas also left Texas after his true.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: It was his third year, his redshirt sophomore year.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: I probably could have found a way for him to do some stuff as a freshman.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: What happened with Puka?
• 25:39
  I don't think I've ever because I don't think I'm just
• 25:42
  influenced by what people
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: thought early on,
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: too.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was by what I saw when he was on the field.
• 25:49
  And then after his redshirt freshman season,
• 25:53
  you didn't see as much from him.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then he was essentially kind of recruited over at the position.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, they definitely wanted him.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: He left after the pandemic season.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: He played that pandemic season.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then left.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: He had...
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: there was some, some health issues going on with his family back home.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think transferring home to BYU made a lot of sense that way.
• 26:22
  It also came at a time when like questions about Washington's
• 26:27
  offensive future were
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: sort of abounding pre 2021.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then because they had Romo Dunze and Jalen McMillan and Jalen Polk,
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't take long.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that 20 and shoot, what would Puka have done for them in 2021?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: He'd have just been another wasted weapon like the rest of them.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: But because of how good that trio was in 22 and 23,
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think anybody was thinking about what's Puka Nakua doing at BYU.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Puka Nakua is way better with the Rams than he was at BYU.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: He was banged up at BYU.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: He missed parts of seasons.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: He put up okay numbers, and he was a playmaker when he was healthy.
• 27:10
  But he's a guy who's absolutely playing his best football in
• 27:15
  the pros,
• 27:16
  which is great for him.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: I just think of it in terms of like,
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think if this staff had a Puka Nakua talent at receiver,
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're kind of seeing it with Raiden Vinesbright a little bit.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not that they're similar players necessarily,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: but I don't think there'd be a lot of time wasted thinking about like,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: he doesn't really know the offense yet,
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: or there's veterans who...
• 27:43
  understand their responsibilities on running plays better or
• 27:47
  who are better
• 27:47
  blockers or whatever it might be i think it'd just be like oh
• 27:51
  like this guy's a
• 27:52
  killer with the ball in his hands every time every time we put
• 27:55
  it up for him he
• 27:56
  makes a play and look how tough and good after the catch he is
• 28:00
  like we have to find
• 28:01
  a way to get this guy in the field and it doesn't need to be
• 28:05
  for 60 snaps every
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: week but
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to feature him.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to get him targets.
• 28:10
  Washington's staff under Peterson came to that conclusion
• 28:13
  halfway through that season.
• 28:14
  The Arizona game down there where they played horribly in the
• 28:18
  first half and then
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: blew them out in the second half.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Puka had a huge game,
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: and then he had a big game at home against Oregon,
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: which was a great football game.
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  SPEAKER_01: They lost 35-31.
• 28:29
  Got burned a couple times on defense on some,
• 28:34
  like,
• 28:36
  well-executed screen plays.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: And Nakua caught a touchdown and had a couple other big plays.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Jacob Eason had talked about him all season as, like, this dude's legit.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I trust him already.
• 28:49
  You could tell there was a feeling of,
• 28:51
  like,
• 28:51
  man,
• 28:51
  get this guy on the field more.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then they had a bye week.
• 28:56
  And then they were playing Utah at home and he got hurt in
• 28:58
  practice for the season
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: and they lost him.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: So right when they were about to really,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: he was,
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was in the starting lineup by then,
• 29:05
  right when they were about to really step on the gas with Puka
• 29:08
  Nakua's workload and
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: target share,
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: he got hurt and then pandemic short 2020 season and he was gone.
• 29:16
  So I,
• 29:17
  I think about that a little bit when I hear Taylor Mays talk
• 29:22
  about Rylan Dillard Allen and
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: who was like a 10,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: eight ish,
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: a hundred meter guy in high school as a junior,
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  SPEAKER_01: supposedly ran a laser timed like sub four,
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: three 40,
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: which is,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: is kind of crazy.
• 29:39
  But I asked Taylor Mays about,
• 29:41
  Hey,
• 29:41
  like,
• 29:41
  what did you guys,
• 29:42
  he was an early enrollee.
• 29:43
  What'd you guys see from him in January or in spring practices
• 29:47
  to want to give him
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: these turns with the ones and the twos right now?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he said his athletic ability and his movement skills.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: He has a chance to be a special player.
• 29:56
  You can turn on the film and regardless of schematically or
• 29:59
  what you're teaching a
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: player,
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: athletic ability shows or it doesn't show.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the big highlight quote, right?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: The athletic ability shows or it doesn't show.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Naturally, his football movements are awesome.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: He just shows up.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think when this coaching staff has a player about whom that is true,
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: that you just can't watch him on the field without...
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: noting that he is an exceptional athlete,
• 30:27
  they're going to do everything they can to give that guy
• 30:30
  opportunities to prove
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: that he should play.
• 30:33
  It's not about forcing him on top of the depth chart without
• 30:36
  him having to show it
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: on the practice field,
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: without him having to compete against the older guys,
• 30:40
  without him having to show you that he gets it and he's not
• 30:44
  going to hurt the team
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: by being out of position and he knows the plays well enough to keep up.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's got to prove all that.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's about giving him the chances to prove it in camp.
• 30:53
  And I think there's been the conventional thinking for a long
• 30:57
  time was that unless
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: you've got a Reggie Williams body type in a freshman,
• 31:03
  unless you've got a true freshman who is just so far and above
• 31:08
  more talented than
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: anybody else in his position.
• 31:11
  you don't throw them in with the ones until there's a certain
• 31:17
  knowledge base
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: established,
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: They have to earn their opportunity just to get the reps.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas,
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's some of that now,
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: but I think especially at a program like Washington,
• 31:30
  where you're trying to flip a roster from what they had last
• 31:34
  year to what you're
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: going to need to compete in the big 10,
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 31:37
  You want to identify who those elite athletes are and put them
• 31:41
  in position to show
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: you that they should play right away.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's absolutely true.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: But the other part of it is that it's a mindset of the coaches.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: Old school football mentality is that when you bring freshmen in,
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: you beat them down a little bit,
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is...
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: College football.
• 31:59
  You're not going to be the most talented athlete every time you
• 32:02
  step out on the field.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: You've got a lot to learn.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: You need to get bigger and stronger.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: These are grown men who've been here for three and four years.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's sort of the old school approach where the assumption,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: I would say,
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: definitely when I was at Washington,
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: the assumption was freshman would redshirt.
• 32:19
  It was really unusual in the 90s for and especially the early
• 32:24
  90s for freshmen not to redshirt.
• 32:26
  And some of that is that you need to instill some of the work
• 32:31
  ethic and humility to
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: be part of the program.
• 32:36
  A more sort of modern or it's Pete Carroll-ish is the you coach
• 32:42
  to a guy's strengths.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: You don't sit there and tell him like you're not big enough.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: You're not as strong as you need to be.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: If there's something he can do that's exceptional,
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: you start with trying to find a way to use that on the field.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: You do it through.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: Here's what you can do well.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of sort of the the pointing out the inadequacies.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I think there is a shift.
• 33:04
  One of the things I'm most interested about in Jed Fish is
• 33:08
  seeing what type of
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: coach he is,
• 33:11
  because clearly some of the things in terms of media access and
• 33:16
  how he views the
• 33:16
  program are heavily influenced by Belichick and what he was
• 33:19
  with the Patriots.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: there's other things that he does.
• 33:23
  And I would put the playing of young players in this category
• 33:27
  that are much more
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: reflective of the Pete Carroll,
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: not through fear or intimidation,
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: but excitement.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: And what Taylor Mays is sailing saying about Dillard Allen,
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: which is there are things he does that absolutely jump off you.
• 33:42
  That's not a,
• 33:43
  Hey,
• 33:43
  this young kid's got a lot to learn before we can trust him on
• 33:45
  the backend.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: That is a man.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: We are so excited to use him.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: And we,
• 33:52
  That matters both within player development,
• 33:56
  but also how the players see it.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I think from a practical standpoint,
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: in an era where you can transfer easier than ever,
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think a team is well served by finding roles.
• 34:09
  If you can find a role for a guy sooner rather than later,
• 34:13
  I think you're going to benefit.
• 34:14
  Even if there are occasions where you end up burning someone's
• 34:18
  red shirt where,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: hey,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: he probably...
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Could have stayed here for five years.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: We're actually costing ourselves here by doing it.
• 34:26
  I think that the opportunity cost there is the number of guys
• 34:30
  that you're going to
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: get engaged early on.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then I actually think logistically or just from the evidence,
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a better way for guys to develop.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: Give them something small they can do early on and grow from there.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's getting in fights, too.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: I saw that.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: So you were very diplomatic in this.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: It sounded like that there was a dust up.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: I believe it was Kevin Green, right?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's the receiver.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Green and Dillard Allen.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Did Dillard Allen light him up?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have a great angle on it.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was a red zone snap inside the 10, I think, in the stadium.
• 35:11
  And DeMond Williams kind of rolled out to his right and
• 35:15
  scrambled and sort of threw it.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: The play might have even been blown dead,
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: but he sort of threw it,
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: not necessarily up for grabs,
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: but didn't have a great angle on it to make the catch toward green.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it went incomplete through the back of the end zone.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess, yeah, I guess there was some extracurricular contact.
• 35:34
  And now all of a sudden there's this big scrum like right in
• 35:36
  front of Touchdown
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Terrace in that east end zone.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, staffers are running over there pulling guys off.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's this whole first day of full pads, man.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's what happens.
• 35:50
  And,
• 35:50
  yeah,
• 35:50
  Taylor Mays walking out of there with Dillard Allen next to
• 35:54
  him.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: And Taylor Mays is holding his helmet.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: And lecturing him a bit, I think, on like, hey, that's.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: But then when we asked him about after practice,
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Taylor Mays,
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: which will not surprise you to learn,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: is fine with most of that.
• 36:09
  um he's like well you know we got to protect the team and you
• 36:12
  know make sure that's
• 36:13
  basically you can't you when i read that quote that we got to
• 36:16
  take care of each
• 36:17
  other i was like okay taylor mays is telling him that's exactly
• 36:22
  what he wants him
• 36:22
  to do in a game but you can't do that when it's your teammate
• 36:25
  in practice and i i
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: read that i mean look taylor mays is a freaking hammer on the back end um
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: I was I was excited to read that.
• 36:35
  And I love trying to decode how fights probably happen in
• 36:41
  practice because you
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: never know for sure.
• 36:42
  And there's all sorts of things going on that as an observer,
• 36:45
  you don't see.
• 36:46
  I really enjoyed that report in yesterday's yesterday's on bot
• 36:49
  like that because I
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: was like,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: oh,
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: oh,
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: there was a fracas.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: There was a fracas.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: And it did.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: It elevated my opinion of Dillard Allen.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: You want your safeties to have a little bit of that.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's got that for sure.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: If you read that story,
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Taylor Mays calls him the gnat,
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: he said,
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: because he's just kind of pesky all over the place.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: They got an interesting safety room.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's definitely better than last year's overall,
• 37:18
  which might be a little bit of a hot take because I know Cam
• 37:21
  Fabiculon was one of
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: their top defensive players last year.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I think between...
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: The three veterans,
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: Esteen,
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: CJ Christian,
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: and Alex McLaughlin,
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: you've got a pretty good foundation.
• 37:32
  And then they're going to find ways for Ryland Dillard Allen to
• 37:35
  help them with his
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: athleticism and his aggression.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Alex McLaughlin is a different player than they've had.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, 6'2", 200, very aggressive.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you talk about guys...
• 37:51
  toeing that line and really love hitting and all that i mean i
• 37:54
  think he's your kind
• 37:55
  of classic box safety they want all these guys to be able to do
• 37:59
  both but um cj
• 38:01
  christian made some nice plays in the backfield uh at tuesday's
• 38:04
  practice playing a
• 38:05
  little bit closer to the line of scrimmage so i think they're
• 38:08
  going to come to be a
• 38:09
  pretty well-rounded group vince holmes is another really good
• 38:12
  athlete who's taking
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: turns with the twos
• 38:14
  I think got about five guys who I think could could help them
• 38:19
  and could contribute this year.
• 38:21
  So I think it's a I would imagine that Ryan Walters wanting
• 38:27
  what he wants out of
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: his DBs and having a history of coaching safeties.
• 38:31
  I would imagine he probably got here and was pretty pleased
• 38:34
  with the variety of
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: talent back there.
• 38:38
  I am really hoping that early in this season something happens
• 38:41
  that displaces the
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: memory of Vincent Holmes that I have.
• 38:46
  I do not want the first thing I think of when when his name is
• 38:50
  mentioned to be Rutgers.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: I would I just I feel bad about myself.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: I would prefer that something else jumped to mind.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's what he deserves.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: Such a tough thing.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: He started and played, like, 60-plus snaps against USC last year.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he did.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: So he's got a chance.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's made some plays.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he has.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think you like that he didn't transfer.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 39:16
  I think if a guy makes a mistake like that early in his career
• 39:19
  and then for
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: whatever reason,
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: thinks he's better off in another program and then leaves,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: that's a bummer.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because then it's sealed, right?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's going to be your memory of him.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: But he's still got a shot.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely he does.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm cheering for him.
• 39:35
  So yeah,
• 39:35
  I...
• 39:37
  Is the over-under for freshmen playing this year like seven?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Freshmen not red-shirting?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Something like seven?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: The 2-0 linemen?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Dillard Allen?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Vines Bright?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Roebuck?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Dylan Robinson?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe Rainey Saleh?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's six and a half?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Six and a half.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to take the over or the under?
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm...
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was one off last year.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: I correctly predicted all the guys who didn't redshirt wouldn't redshirt,
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: and I also thought Pocky Finau wouldn't redshirt,
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: but he did.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I was one too aggressive on my guess last year.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: You were one high.
• 40:17
  So I'll recompensate and go take the under,
• 40:21
  but would not be surprised if the over hit either.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then what do you think?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be curious.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be interesting to watch how the rest of it goes in the Big Ten,
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: how other schools are,
• 40:33
  because you certainly are going to have programs that look to
• 40:37
  sort of have
• 40:37
  collective growing pains where we're going to play a bunch of
• 40:40
  young guys together
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: and let them learn together.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: believing that that's going to pay off two or three years down.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: But Washington's not at that position right now.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: That would have been more true last year than it is this year,
• 40:54
  where I think this year the decisions about redshirting will be
• 40:59
  entirely premised
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: on sort of ability and development.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: Is this guy ready for that?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: Do we want him to play this early?
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 41:07
  And I think we're going to get to a point where there's no more
• 41:09
  redshirting.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think that's coming where in college football.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Where there's just a five year eligibility clock period.
• 41:19
  And you've got five years to play however many seasons you can
• 41:22
  fit in those five years.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: And once the five years are up, you're done.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's so funny because then it'll come,
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: but like,
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: but I have my five years,
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: but I got hurt in one of those years.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I need a sixth year.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody's going to be like, okay, that's fair.
• 41:34
  And then somebody's going to be like,
• 41:35
  one of those five years was at a junior college.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: That shouldn't count anymore.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Then they'll be like, oh, okay, you're right.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's not going to count.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: I just think,
• 41:42
  I think we're more likely to have indefinite college
• 41:44
  eligibility than we are to
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: have a firm five-year clock.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: I know I played in 15 games last year.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:53
  But five of our games came against teams that were coming off
• 41:56
  of bye weeks.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's got to be worth something.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: I played in all 15, but it was only on special teams.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not fair because this coach is a hoser.
• 42:06
  There was a kid who got an extra year of eligibility after
• 42:10
  playing in a full season
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: by arguing that because he was coming off of an ACL injury,
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: he wasn't the same player.
• 42:19
  And so that season should not count against his eligibility,
• 42:22
  and they gave it to him.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I just thought,
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like,
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: if that's what we're doing,
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: then there just shouldn't be any eligibility limits.
• 42:28
  You should just let guys play until they don't want to or until
• 42:32
  the school won't
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: have them anymore.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to...
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say I'm not going to be cynical about this,
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: but I don't even think I need to offer that preface.
• 42:40
  Those decisions are based largely on how likely the NCAA feels
• 42:44
  it's going to be sued.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's my firm belief.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: And are we going to get just absolutely hosed in court?
• 42:51
  I think,
• 42:53
  especially post-COVID,
• 42:54
  that all of those things have gone out the window.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: And
• 42:58
  I've screamed and cried about how I think there should at least
• 43:02
  be an age limit or something.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: I honestly, I don't know what you do about it.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what's fair.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have,
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have any opinions on any of that anymore,
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: given the current state of the game.
• 43:11
  I'm glad you mentioned the court thing because the NCAA has
• 43:13
  been winning recently.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: These suits around, Oh, I, one of my years of eligibility was a D two.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: That shouldn't count or D three.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: That shouldn't count.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or you're, you're suppressing my, um,
• 43:28
  You're inflicting undue harm against me by suppressing my
• 43:31
  earning potential.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Those cases are not winning.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, the NCAA is prevailing in those cases, by and large.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: So there is judicial support for the idea of a limited eligibility clock.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I would...
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: I've kind of come around on,
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: because I was predicting the same thing,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: they're just going to keep losing in court.
• 43:56
  The Juco thing paved the way for,
• 43:57
  like,
• 43:58
  we're just going to have unlimited eligibility.
• 44:01
  I think it's more likely we're going to get to what Chris
• 44:03
  Peterson was arguing for
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: for years,
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: by the way,
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: which was just a five-year clock.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: take the burden off the coaches to try to manage,
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: this guy's good enough to be,
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: our,
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: end on...
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: field goal protect and field goal block.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like our eighth offensive lineman,
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: but I don't want to waste a whole year having him do that.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: So let's red shirt him, but let's find four games for him to play in.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 44:34
  I think coaches would love to not have to think about that and
• 44:36
  just manage their
• 44:37
  roster the way that NFL team would and play whoever is the
• 44:41
  right guy for that spot
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: in that moment in that game.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: And don't worry about how many other games they've played.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're getting to that.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like there's momentum for that.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: Clearly, I'm not a lawyer.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: I have no background in that at all.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: It has been exceptionally weird,
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: however,
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: for me to hold these two conflicting realities in my head.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: On the one hand,
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: you have the NFL,
• 45:02
  which has set a limit that no player can enter its league until
• 45:07
  they are three
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: years removed from their date of high school graduation,
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: which has withstood a number of legal challenges.
• 45:14
  And there was that one little brief flip with Maurice Claret
• 45:17
  where it looked like
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: it was going to go away.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: But they've held that, which frankly seems slightly un-American to me.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: You're an adult, but you're not old enough to play in our league.
• 45:27
  contrast that with the other two things where the NCAA was just
• 45:31
  routinely...
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: You got Pavia saying,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: ah,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: two years of junior college shouldn't count.
• 45:36
  The NCAA,
• 45:37
  like the college eligibility limit,
• 45:39
  seems fairly straightforward.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: Seems...
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: And they would keep just getting smashed.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, all right, everybody gets that extra year because of COVID.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: And Diego's Juco doesn't count against him.
• 45:53
  Now Washington's going to lose a quarterback that they didn't
• 45:56
  know they were going
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: to get to keep.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: I wondered if it was maybe just...
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: the price of legal staff of representation,
• 46:04
  the retainer size between what the NFL was paying and what the
• 46:07
  NCAA is paying,
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: but pointing out that the NCAA has started to rack up some wins,
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: maybe means sanity is returning to it.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: On the Thaddeus Dixon thing,
• 46:16
  I should point out that there are six practices to Cario Davis
• 46:19
  looks pretty good.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 46:21
  We saw him in the spring too,
• 46:23
  obviously,
• 46:23
  but he is,
• 46:24
  he is having a very good camp.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: I loved the way Thaddeus Dixon played last year.
• 46:30
  If Thaddeus Dixon was going to be unhappy playing nickel,
• 46:34
  I think that that's silly.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I hope he finds happiness at his new school.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: The objections that he had to that, I did not find to be very compelling.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: And they did not strike a chord.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: I did not feel he was getting done wrong.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a particular bummer for Husky fans just because
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: He was such a dog, so to speak.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: He was, and he loved the legacy of the DBs.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: I loved how he played, and I wish him the best.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: But when it came down to it, I was like, I don't know, man.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to play a ton,
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: and I can get how you don't like the feel of that,
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: but if you really want to leave over that,
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: I wish you nothing but the best.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think Jed Fish and his staff screwed that up at all.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Nickel is interesting with them right now.
• 47:26
  I'd have bet a lot of money that Rashawn Clark had that wrapped
• 47:29
  up after spring in
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: the last couple days.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's mostly been Leroy Bryant in there with the ones.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: Leroy Bryant!
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: God damn it, Leroy.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's a good player.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: He was kind of the...
• 47:48
  the pseudo four star in washington's 2023 class it was actually
• 47:52
  a three star but
• 47:53
  everybody was like watch his tape and watch some tape but some
• 47:56
  of the like four
• 47:58
  star guys that they're supposedly missing out on and who's
• 48:01
  actually better so the
• 48:03
  previous staff was really high on him and he's also their like
• 48:07
  number three corner
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: right now three four ish depending on like
• 48:11
  whether you'd go with him or Rashawn Clark outside if one of
• 48:14
  those top two guys got hurt.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: But they're giving him a long look at nickel and he's made some plays.
• 48:19
  And I wonder if that spot is a little more competitive than we
• 48:23
  might've thought it
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: would be coming out of spring.
• 48:25
  Or this is another thing that I haven't really touched on like
• 48:28
  a ton in my practice reports.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think Ryan Walters just really wants to see everybody.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think he wants to see everyone he has at his disposal for,
• 48:37
  with the exception of some true freshmen who just clearly like
• 48:40
  aren't there yet physically.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: And not just in like,
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: okay,
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: the threes are going to go against the threes,
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: but like,
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put some guys out there,
• 48:47
  try some different combinations in the secondary with the ones
• 48:50
  and with the twos
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: and against the first team offense and against the second team offense.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: and just see what I have and see what sticks.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because I do think he has a similar mindset to Steve Belichick,
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: where it's like,
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: it's not even just who are the best 11,
• 49:06
  but it's who's the best 11 in this particular down in distance
• 49:11
  and part of the
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: field.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: And who can give us something interesting
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: in this particular coverage against this particular style of offense.
• 49:20
  And I'm not going to know any of this if I don't put these guys
• 49:23
  in position to like
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: get some real reps against big 10 starter caliber players in practice.
• 49:28
  So in some ways I'm like hesitant to draw sweeping conclusions
• 49:34
  about some of the
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: personnel groupings we see at practice relative to like,
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: what's the depth chart going to look like.
• 49:39
  But I,
• 49:40
  I think like Belichick,
• 49:41
  you'll probably see them play a lot of guys.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Are you going to watch UNC's defense at all this year or UNC's program?
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: Where I can, I can't say I'm like terribly interested.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, same.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm surprised by that.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: There's a couple of players there that I really liked.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: I love Kamari House.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have negative feelings about Steve Belichick.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I thought what he did with the team was interesting last year.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: But I also didn't have this really strong feel.
• 50:10
  And maybe that's a commentary on how I feel about Ryan Walters
• 50:14
  that I'm kind of
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: Steve's going to go coach with his dad.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm really interested.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think they got a really good hire as their DC.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm interested to see what happened.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Or maybe I'm growing up.
• 50:28
  Is it possible that I'm getting more mature about these sort of
• 50:31
  things where I'm
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: just like,
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was wishing Thaddeus Dixon well.
• 50:35
  Now I'm feeling like,
• 50:36
  yeah,
• 50:36
  I don't have any bones to pick about the Belichick thing.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even...
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even think I'm eager for them to not be that good.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be surprised if they're really good.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Is this what maturity feels like?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: It could be.
• 50:50
  I just think the Belichick sour feelings and the players
• 50:54
  transferring was a very,
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: very offseason thing.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: That was a very, like...
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: This was not a fun season for Washington.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's finishing in the Sun Bowl.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone knows that your defensive coordinator is leaving.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: You don't know yet that they were...
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: no,
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: you did know they were replacing him with Ryan Walters at that point.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: That had been reported.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 51:17
  so I think it was,
• 51:20
  look,
• 51:21
  it's we're,
• 51:21
  we're at the very beginning of a very long off season.
• 51:24
  And the very first thing that happens to Washington is their
• 51:28
  defensive coordinator
• 51:29
  leaves and four of Washington's players transfer to the school
• 51:34
  he's going to.
• 51:35
  And two of them were guys who absolutely would have been dudes
• 51:39
  on this team.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: More house and that is Dixon.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: And you haven't brought in,
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: maybe I'm getting the timeline wrong.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't necessarily brought in all of your portal pieces yet.
• 51:54
  So like,
• 51:54
  you don't know exactly what the,
• 51:56
  you knew Davis was coming,
• 51:57
  right?
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: You knew Davis was coming, but yeah, all the portal wasn't settled.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, that's what was happening.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: There were no more games.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: That was, that was the news of the day.
• 52:10
  And so there's all this room and all this time for people to
• 52:12
  sit around and be pissed about it.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think like,
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: the whole,
• 52:16
  the Belichick of it all probably contributed to some of the
• 52:20
  feelings right here.
• 52:21
  You brought in this,
• 52:22
  you brought in this guy's son to be your defensive coordinator.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: And like the fan base, I think was pretty on board.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think he did an okay job,
• 52:29
  but like you made such a big deal about how the legendary dad
• 52:31
  was around your
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: program all the time.
• 52:33
  And now he's starting his own program and talking about them as
• 52:36
  the 33rd NFL team
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: when that's language that you've used.
• 52:39
  And we know how much time he spent watching your program to see
• 52:42
  how the NFL
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: approach would work at college.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: It might have been part of what convinced him that it could.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: And now he's going to go do the same thing, but with...
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: your defensive coordinator, who's his kid.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: And oh, by the way, they're going to take four players from you.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: And oh, by the way, it's two guys who the fan base really, really liked.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that all just...
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: But when you take a step back,
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: it's like,
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: kid's going to go work for his dad.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: And well, you recruited over the top of Thaddeus Dixon at Outside Corner.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: You went out and got your guy from Arizona.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so that kind of makes sense.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think...
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: North Carolina poached Kamori House.
• 53:22
  I think Kamori House probably thought he could command a little
• 53:26
  bit more money
• 53:27
  based on the freshman year that he had and was going to try to
• 53:30
  go get that
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: somewhere else anyway.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was probably headed to the portal,
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: whether there was a Belichick at North Carolina or not.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: That was my read on it.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: That was my read on it.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm wrong.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm wrong.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think you'd really like to have held on to a talent like Peyton Waters.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think he showed you a lot last year.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: But...
• 53:51
  I mean,
• 53:51
  is anybody talking about,
• 53:52
  oh,
• 53:53
  my God,
• 53:53
  Washington doesn't have Peyton Waters anymore?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: Again, you went out and got two veteran safeties.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: You recruited over the top of him with veteran guys.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: He was going to be a sophomore.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: You obviously love Ryland Dillard Allen.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: You kind of replaced Peyton Waters with Ryland Dillard Allen,
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: except maybe you think he has even more athletic upside.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then the fourth guy was Jason Robinson,
• 54:13
  who redshirted for you as a receiver at a position where I
• 54:18
  think you feel pretty
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: good about your young talent.
• 54:20
  So I think months have passed and nobody around Washington is
• 54:26
  really thinking about
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: the Belichick thing anymore.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's just kind of my read on it.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: I would also say that looking back,
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think the one year of Belichick,
• 54:35
  both Steve and Bill being around the program was a net positive
• 54:40
  for Washington.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think having Bill come and do those events,
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: which he did,
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: and he was way more involved and around than Pete Carroll ever was.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, his presence was... Way more.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he actually, I think, was an asset.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: And, look, it's a late coaching change.
• 54:58
  Were you going to get a better defensive coordinator than Steve
• 55:01
  Belichick?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't really think so.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think he did a fairly good job.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: yeah, it's, it's, it stinks that house and Dixon ended up leaving.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like those are the two guys primarily.
• 55:11
  And because they were the ones I saw the most,
• 55:14
  but I think it's a fair exchange.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: I, I, I take it.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: I do it again.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Dang it.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote as much before the transfers,
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: like after the,
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: the,
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: it was clear that Steve was going to leave for North Carolina,
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: but before the transfers.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I kind of, I kind of thought I'm like, did I jump the gun?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: would I change that take now?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I really wouldn't like,
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: I did not see that as North Carolina poached a bunch of Washington guys.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: I just, I think that there were extenuating circumstances.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't like,
• 55:48
  I think Jed fish is being totally genuine when he says there
• 55:51
  are no hard feelings
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: whatsoever.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like I got all, still got all the respect in the world for those guys.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: I wish him the best.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think he'd rather have Kamori house on his roster than not.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think he's swallowing it to say that.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: I would tend to agree with you.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_02: Also, no one is going to go against Belichick.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no.
• 56:13
  Nobody's going to say,
• 56:14
  like,
• 56:14
  yeah,
• 56:15
  I got a bone to pick with the Sith Overlord.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'd like to see if I can hold a grudge as long as that guy does.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because if it comes to pettiness, like, that guy is always going to win.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know who might, though?
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: Ian?
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: IP McFarlane.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: He sent us a video this week.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think everybody's ready for that?
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're not, but they, they're going to get ready.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be like the rapper's hype, man.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: Are you ready to see IP McFarlane?
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, man.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they're ready.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they're, are you ready?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: Get your hands up.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: Get your hands up.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: First recording on video,
• 56:53
  which I'm pretty sure you don't want me to do yet because
• 56:56
  there's no way you're
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: going to be able to edit this in.
• 57:03
  it's harder because while my face is hardly camera ready it can
• 57:09
  be contorted in
• 57:10
  some really stupid ways and my sound quality probably isn't
• 57:14
  that great because I'm
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: recording in my office so I could have
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: the 1991 National Championship front page behind me.
• 57:24
  And if we turn,
• 57:26
  we'll pass a mighty University of Puget Sound football helmet.
• 57:30
  You can also see in the background the Seattle Times Sports
• 57:33
  page on draft day,
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: doing a side-by-side of Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: The reason that that is framed in my office is because my father,
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: a longtime friend of Mike Price's,
• 57:47
  bet me my college tuition that leaf would have a better career
• 57:52
  than manning which
• 57:55
  the jury is still out on my question this week is probably more
• 58:00
  for cc we saw bruce
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: feldman's freaks list this week 101 names
• 58:10
  who on the Washington football team was left off unfortunately
• 58:16
  everyone was but who
• 58:17
  deserved to be on that team or more simply stated who are the
• 58:23
  freak athletes on
• 58:24
  this football team maybe not the best players but the ones that
• 58:28
  have an athletic
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: peak that no one else can match or
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you want a different question,
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: you can do what you did last week,
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: completely ignore the premise of the question I asked you,
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: and answer some other question that I don't quite know what it was.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Jim,
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: whose last name will remain anonymous,
• 58:52
  who I just had a phone call with this morning to go over his
• 58:56
  new business idea,
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: which is a fun,
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: creative endeavor that I wish him all the luck in the world on.
• 59:03
  um i wish you guys a good week go dogs so i i went back and
• 59:09
  listened to last week's
• 59:11
  episode and i don't know what ian's getting at because i feel
• 59:13
  like he asked what we
• 59:14
  were looking forward to this year and that's what we talked
• 59:18
  about was it not i
• 59:18
  think we were more general enthusiasm i think he might have
• 59:21
  been looking forward to
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: a specific thing i think he was like i don't want the hype
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_02: Well, far be it for me to question IP McFarland.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: Also, do you think Jim called him because of say who say pod?
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think we can only assume so.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_02: So that would be that that would be the business.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that would be the first.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think that would be the first thing we've done for Ian.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: It would.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: We will answer his question directly this time.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'll note if you read,
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: if you did not read Bruce Feldman's freaks list,
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Parker Brailsford checked in at number 20.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: Over at Alabama.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: And at first I was like, really?
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: But then well,
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: guy that size,
• 1:00:06
  like excelling as a starting center at Alabama probably has to
• 1:00:10
  be a freak strength
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: wise,
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: at least.
• 1:00:13
  So at Washington,
• 1:00:17
  I suppose you might throw DeMond Williams in the conversation.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Mm hmm.
• 1:00:25
  I think down the road you could be talking about Dylan Robinson
• 1:00:28
  as that kind of guy.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned earlier he's all of 6'3",
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: 200,
• 1:00:32
  and I assume he'll be bigger in a couple years with track times
• 1:00:38
  around like 10.7 in
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: the 100 meter,
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: which is crazy speed for that size.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: Zadrius Rainey-Saleh, perhaps.
• 1:00:49
  I think Jed Fish said Dylan Robinson already has the top broad
• 1:00:51
  jump on the team,
• 1:00:52
  too.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, I love a broad jump measurement.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: Rylan Dillard-Allen has that kind of speed.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe some of the young offensive linemen.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um...
• 1:01:06
  The one guy on that defensive front we talked about last week
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  who gets associated
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  SPEAKER_01: with the word freak already is Ontario Thompson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what about Durf?
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  SPEAKER_01: What about Durf?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: so Zach Durfee probably is...
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  I think he is the most complete package on the team in terms of
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  athletic ability...
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  SPEAKER_01: slash ideal size for the position he plays.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's other guys who fit that description too.
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  Denzel Boston being 6'4 and being the kind of athlete he is is
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  impressive.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no doubt.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have good size and speed elsewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think Durfee, he says he's leaned up.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like low 250s right now.
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  um he looks like a dude i mean he looks he just watched him out
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  there lining up at
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  edge rusher um with that defense going against the number one
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  offense he's he
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  stands out physically and he's i think he's had a good camp too
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  i mean you could
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  see him getting in the backfield and um you know i've written
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  about guys just rave
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  SPEAKER_01: about him in the weight room talk about
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  Like how even going back to like his first year when the NCAA
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  wouldn't let him play
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  SPEAKER_01: and what he was doing on scout team.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's smashing personal records in the weight room.
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  SPEAKER_01: And guys were just like, whoa, who is this guy?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think he'd be a candidate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Durfee was asked this question at media day or a similar question.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he submitted Adam Mohamed.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think what he...
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  SPEAKER_01: what he's,
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  SPEAKER_01: the way he put it was,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think Adam Mohammed knows how much he can lift.
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  SPEAKER_01: They just put weights on the bar and he does it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's never not been able to do whatever they put on the bar.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if Adam Mohammed has a Benchmax because he just,
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  SPEAKER_01: they just throw weight on there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he just like, he's like, it's insane.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's, you wouldn't believe how strong he is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's Zach Durfee's take on, on Adam Mohammed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Adam Mohamed has a... He's going to have a role this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think he's a year away from obviously being a featured back.
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  SPEAKER_01: So maybe going into next year,
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  SPEAKER_01: if he has a solid year as their RB2,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe going into his junior year,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's when you start to see Jed Fish...
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  do some stumping behind the scenes for,
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  for Adam Muhammad being included on the freaks list.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's going to like set any speed records necessarily,
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  SPEAKER_01: but in terms of like physique and strength,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that there will be a ton of running backs who look like him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever seen the dude on the internet?
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  SPEAKER_02: He's Eastern European.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's a professional weightlifter.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember what his category is, but he's a leaner dude.
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  And he dresses up like a janitor and goes to these gyms and
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  will go up to the
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  SPEAKER_02: different big muscle dudes who are huge deadlift numbers.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_02: And he'll say stuff like, why are you guys using fake weights?
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have seen that.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's such a great bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's got a 32 kg mop.
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  like when he hands it to him they're like whoa this thing's so
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  heavy i could see
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  adam muhammad having a maybe he could maybe he could have a
• 1:04:38
  social media career
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  such as that yeah that'd be fun i get the sense he's scotty
• 1:04:44
  graham described him as
• 1:04:45
  like an old soul humor wise oh really like he's into like
• 1:04:49
  airplane style humor like
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: leslie really airplane style humor yeah interesting
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm intrigued.
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  I don't know if he meant specifically that movie or just like
• 1:05:00
  that kind of brand of
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  SPEAKER_01: humor,
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  SPEAKER_01: but very popular guy.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody loves him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So shoot.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know what?
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  I'm not going to watch the Huskies practice again until next
• 1:05:13
  Tuesday because
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: they're off today as we record this.
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  And tomorrow I am flying to Anchorage,
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  Alaska for a,
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  a good pals bachelor party.
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  SPEAKER_01: for three nights.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'll return Sunday and then the Huskies are off Monday.
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  SPEAKER_01: So,
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  SPEAKER_01: I won't be,
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was,
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: it was occurring to me as I was driving home on Tuesday afternoon,
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not actually not coming back up here for a week.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: I will have, uh, a cavalcade, a series of, uh,
• 1:05:43
  freelancers out there for me there will be practice reports at
• 1:05:47
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  probably no video though like i said in my last post unless
• 1:05:51
  it's of glaciers and
• 1:05:53
  and halibut fishing um which i've never done before by the way
• 1:05:57
  oh you've never done
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: halibut
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_02: Halibut's weird.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: They don't fight much.
• 1:06:01
  The first time I caught a halibut,
• 1:06:03
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• 1:06:07
  And then they're also I mean,
• 1:06:08
  they're a weird looking fish because their eye rotates around.
• 1:06:11
  So they're a bottom fish and they've got this big flap and then
• 1:06:14
  they stay.
• 1:06:16
  you bring them in the boat and they'll flop like 45,
• 1:06:21
  60 minutes after you catch them.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: They'll still kind of like have these Twitch reactions.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: I went to Alaska when I was,
• 1:06:27
  I think in second grade for the first time when we caught
• 1:06:29
  halibut and I was,
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was freaked out by him.
• 1:06:33
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• 1:06:35
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