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Speaker 1: Gives the good report.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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Speaker 2: filling in for Andrew Bolt. This week is what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on the show tonight, Voter's weigh in on the
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy debate as labor ramps up at criticism of
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Speaker 2: the Coalition's plan.
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Speaker 1: I spoke to David a little Proud a little earlier.
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Speaker 2: Plus, another native title battle is brewing up in Queensland
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Speaker 2: as the traditional owners of Great Keppel Ireland fight for
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Speaker 2: exclusive ownership. And another nail in the UK Tory's coffin
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Speaker 2: as an election betting scandal engulfs the party just two
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Speaker 2: weeks out from polling day. But let's go to some
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Speaker 2: breaking news first tonight, the Opposition leader Peter Dutton's son
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Speaker 2: has been photographed holding what is allegedly a clear bag
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Speaker 2: containing a small amount of what appears to be a
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Speaker 2: white substance. The news court papers are reporting that eighteen
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Speaker 2: year old Tom Dutton was photographed with the bag at
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Speaker 2: an apartment at Surfer's Paradise in Queensland. The mass heads, however,
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Speaker 2: are not suggesting that the white substance is drugs. The
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Speaker 2: photograph was posted to social media with a caption that
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Speaker 2: read happy birthday treat Hello, how are you going? When contacted,
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's office issued a statement saying this issue is
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Speaker 2: a private matter for the Dutton family. We've also contacted
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Speaker 2: his office but haven't yet heard back. Whatever the truth
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Speaker 2: of the story, it's a definite distraction for Dutton, a
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Speaker 2: former Home Affairs minister and police officer, at a time
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Speaker 2: when he's making ground in the polls on Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanizi. There's no suggestion that Peter Dutton had any
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Speaker 2: knowledge of the photograph, and it is a legitimate story.
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Speaker 2: But traditionally family are off limits when it comes to
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Speaker 2: political attacks. However this unfolds. I hope it remains that
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Speaker 2: way in this case. All right, let's get into some
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Speaker 2: of the other news of the day. If you hadn't
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Speaker 2: already come to the conclusion that the Albanese government had
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Speaker 2: lost the plot, then surely the penny must have dropped today,
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Speaker 2: And I mean quite literally, the penny dropped quite a
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Speaker 2: few of them actually. The new Governor General Sam Mostyn,
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Speaker 2: a former Labour staffer, a left wing activist from the
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Speaker 2: Women's Economic Equality Task Force in the Climate Council, a
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Speaker 2: wealthy businesswoman and board jockey from City Bank to Transurban
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Speaker 2: to Mervack was she said to be given a two
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Speaker 2: hundred and fourteen thousand dollars pay rise by the government.
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Speaker 2: Two hundred and fourteen thousand dollars. I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: what Sir Humphrey Appleby from Yes Minister would describe as brave.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how when people are struggling to put food
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Speaker 2: on the table, Rents are going up, mortgages are going up,
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Speaker 2: could well increase again when the RBA's next rate decision
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Speaker 2: comes down. How could you possibly think it would be
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Speaker 2: a good idea to inc who is the Governor General's
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Speaker 2: pay by forty three percent? The current GG David Hurley,
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Speaker 2: he finishes up this week. He's on four hundred and
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Speaker 2: ninety five thousand and that's nothing at which to sneeze.
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Speaker 2: But Sam Mouston is set to take home seven hundred
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Speaker 2: and nine thousand.
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Speaker 1: Dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: It's about one hundred grand more than the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: who himself received a three and a half percent pay
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Speaker 2: rise last week. What could possibly justify that kind of
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Speaker 2: pay rise? According to the government, it's just the right
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Speaker 2: thing to do.
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Speaker 3: This is a constitutional requirement Section three of the Constitution
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Speaker 3: requires the Parliament to set the salary for the Governor
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Speaker 3: General and it can't be changed during the term of
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Speaker 3: the Governor General. The comparator that we have used is
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Speaker 3: to make it as close as possible to the Chief
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Speaker 3: Justice of the High Court. Current Governor General David Hurley
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Speaker 3: wonderful portrait. He's done an outstanding job serving the nation,
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Speaker 3: but he was in receipt of a military pension, so
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Speaker 3: he had requested in twenty nineteen that the paybe adjusted
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Speaker 3: to recognize that.
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Speaker 1: But at the same amount of money.
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Speaker 2: Oh so she's not getting a military pension, boohoo. So
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Speaker 2: what we have to pay her more than a million
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Speaker 2: dollars extra over five years. And it's not like Sam
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Speaker 2: Moston is short of a dollar. She's one of the
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Speaker 2: most high flying and powerful board directors in the country
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Speaker 2: and she could probably make more money by not taking
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Speaker 2: up the role of Governor General and continuing to do
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Speaker 2: what she's doing now. But that's not the point of
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Speaker 2: being Governor General. It's not a job in the traditional sense.
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Speaker 2: It's a lifestyle. But I have no doubt it's unrelenting
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Speaker 2: and bloody hard work. You don't exactly get to put
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Speaker 2: your feet up on the weekend and enjoy the races,
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Speaker 2: or set around and lays about. But it's a service
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Speaker 2: to your country, and yes, you deserve to be compensated
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Speaker 2: for that, and compensated well. But you can't tell me
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Speaker 2: that four hundred and ninety five thousand wouldn't have been
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Speaker 2: compensation enough.
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Speaker 1: They done this.
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Speaker 2: Why have they decided to give such a whopping pay
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Speaker 2: rise to Anthony Albanese's handpicked former labor staffer governor general.
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Speaker 2: But it seems like such a political own goal in
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Speaker 2: the middle of a cost of living crisis. And the
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Speaker 2: only reason I can think of is that they had to.
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Speaker 2: They had to give sam Moston a pay rise to
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Speaker 2: entice her to be Governor General. And if that's the case,
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Speaker 2: she should never have been on the short list. If
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Speaker 2: your gg for the money, then you shouldn't be gg.
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Speaker 2: There's not one genuine justification for a two hundred k paper.
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Speaker 2: The principle of it, the look of it, it's all bad.
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Speaker 2: And this ought to be as far as I'm concerned.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's knighthood moment. Now, you might remember when Prince
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Speaker 2: Philip was awarded a knighthood by the Abbot government in
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, and people fell off their chairs out of embarrassment.
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Speaker 2: The media went into overdrive. There was serious talk that
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Speaker 2: it could be the end of Tony Abbott's Prime ministership,
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Speaker 2: though that actual came later in the year and that
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Speaker 2: didn't cost us a cent. All Abbott did was give
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Speaker 2: a title to the Queen's husband. Albanisi, meanwhile, is planning
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Speaker 2: to give two hundred and fourteen thousand dollars as a
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Speaker 2: pay rise to an ideological mate who is just handed
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Speaker 2: with the King's approval. Of course, the executive powers. So
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Speaker 2: just remember next time that you're worrying about how to
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Speaker 2: pay the school fees or the power bill that Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanizi is sent to you. Where was that two hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars. By the way, don't forget that
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Speaker 2: he wants to give a left wing mate a plum
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Speaker 2: job and then a two hundred grand pay rise, despite
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Speaker 2: having plenty of cash already. Normally we talk about jobs
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Speaker 2: for the boys, but of course in this case it's
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Speaker 2: jobs for the girls, and well paid jobs at that. Now,
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Speaker 2: this story made me seriously angry. Today there's a bloken
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Speaker 2: adelaide by the name of Kim Alan Parsons. Now, for
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Speaker 2: decades no one knew his name, but he was known
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Speaker 2: as the bicycle Bandit. For ten years from twenty four
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Speaker 2: to twenty fourteen, he robbed banks across South Australia and
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Speaker 2: it was a big story.
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Speaker 1: When I grew up in Adelaide.
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Speaker 2: You know, a masked bloke who kept holding up banks
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Speaker 2: at gunpoint and escaping on a bike somehow. Hence why
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Speaker 2: he became known as the bicycle bandit. And this went
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Speaker 2: on for a decade, and it wasn't another decade later
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Speaker 2: until Parsons, a former police officer, was arrested. He terrorized
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Speaker 2: people who were just going about their jobs, leaving them
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Speaker 2: with PTSD and other mental illnesses. Now, he previously denied
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Speaker 2: his crimes and he was set down for a trial
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Speaker 2: next February, but he has terminal cancer and he was
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Speaker 2: recently approved to commit legal suicide, after which he quickly
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Speaker 2: pleaded guilty, which led to his sentencing today. The South
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Speaker 2: Australian Supreme Court today found that Parsons deserved eighty five
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Speaker 2: years jail reduced to sixty three years and nine months
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Speaker 2: for eventually pleading guilty. But the law doesn't allow for
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Speaker 2: such heavy sentences, so he was given thirty five years
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Speaker 2: with a non parole period of twenty eight just as
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Speaker 2: Sandy MacDonald said, however, that the sentence had a quote
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Speaker 2: unquote air of artificiality, given that he had already been
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Speaker 2: given approval.
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Speaker 1: To kill himself.
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Speaker 2: The expectation is that either this afternoon or later this evening,
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Speaker 2: he'll go from the Adelaide Remand Center to Flinda's Medical
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Speaker 2: Center and be given his euthanasia kit, thus never seeing
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Speaker 2: a day of his sentence. That is an absolute joke.
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Speaker 2: Why should a good for nothing scumbag who pleaded guilty
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Speaker 2: to ten counts of armed robbery be allowed to just
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Speaker 2: off himself when the going gets tough, He should be
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Speaker 2: made to suffer. He should have to feel the dying
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Speaker 2: moments of his cancer and think about the terror that
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Speaker 2: he wrought upon innocent people until he draws his fine,
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Speaker 2: labored breath. But instead he'll leave this world on his
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Speaker 2: own terms. Another South Australian, Malcolm Winston Day he was
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Speaker 2: the first prisoner in the country to legally end his
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Speaker 2: own life last year. He'd been sentenced to twenty years
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two for abusing two students while a
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Speaker 2: music teacher in the nineteen eighties, again he had cancer
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Speaker 2: and that was that. SA Health Minister Chris Picton said
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Speaker 2: at the time that a prisoner had as much right
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Speaker 2: to euthanasia as someone who follows the law. But isn't
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Speaker 2: the whole point of prison that you lose your rights?
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Speaker 2: You can't enjoy free movement, you can't have a drink,
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Speaker 2: you follow orders, you pay the price for breaking the law.
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Speaker 2: You lose the privileges available to those of us in
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Speaker 2: civil society, and euthanasia ought to be one of those. Now,
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Speaker 2: sure you can't be denied pressing medical treatment, but euthanasia
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Speaker 2: is not a treatment.
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Speaker 1: It's the end.
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Speaker 2: And of course people say that euthanasia is about dying
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Speaker 2: with dignity. These people don't deserve dignity. These men get
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Speaker 2: to legally end their pain. Victims, well, they're not so lucky.
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Speaker 2: Their pain lives on forever.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Sport Integrity Australia today revealed what I think we all knew,
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Speaker 2: which is that illicit drug use is rife in professional
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Speaker 2: sport that it needs to be cleaned up before it
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Speaker 2: becomes a serious threat to the integrity of clubs and leagues.
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Speaker 1: The SIA boss David Sharp.
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Speaker 2: Said, quote, All Australian sport has reached a crossroads in
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Speaker 2: dealing with illicit drug use, player mental health and well
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Speaker 2: being and criminal infiltration of sport. He handed down the
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Speaker 2: results of an investigation into the AFL's drug policy after
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Speaker 2: revelations earlier in the year that the league and clubs
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Speaker 2: were effectively covering up illegal drug use by having players
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Speaker 2: tested by club doctors before games, who would then fake
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Speaker 2: an injury and take the weekend off so they didn't
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Speaker 2: have to play with drugs detectable in them system. And
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Speaker 2: of course the beauty of that was that thanks to
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Speaker 2: doctor player confidentiality, nobody could be told that drugs were
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Speaker 2: actually the cause. The report said, quote The confidential nature
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Speaker 2: of the medical model between doctor and player prevented the
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Speaker 2: AFL from sharing information publicly, thus creating a degree of suspicion.
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Speaker 2: SAA identified integrity threats posed by the purchase of illicit
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Speaker 2: drugs by players and noted this is an issue relevant
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Speaker 2: to all sport in Australia. It also said there was
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Speaker 2: a threat posed by the criminal infiltration of sport. The
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Speaker 2: notion of screening tests by AFL club doctors may be
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable and at times present a dilemma. The report read
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Speaker 2: to a club doctor regarding the reasons to disclose for
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Speaker 2: a player.
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Speaker 1: Withdrawing from a game.
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Speaker 2: However, it said that on the information we have, this
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Speaker 2: conduct does not in itself constitute an anti doping rule violation. Now,
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Speaker 2: the AFL may have escaped sanctions, but covering up player
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Speaker 2: drug use is a betrayal of the club's members who
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Speaker 2: pay their money every year and expect their players to
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Speaker 2: be in top form. I mean, they're paid very well.
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Speaker 2: They've paid enough to stay off the gear. And if
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Speaker 2: the AFL and other leagues like the NRL don't get
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Speaker 2: serious about cleaning drug sorry out of the game, it
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Speaker 2: will reach a crisis point and it won't be pretty well.
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Speaker 2: It looks like we said, for another week of talking
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Speaker 2: about nuclear energy, and I know it feels a bit like.
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Speaker 1: This is the story that never ends.
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Speaker 2: We were talking about this after Dutton's announcement last week
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Speaker 2: and here we are still on Monday nattering about it.
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Speaker 2: But that's fundamentally because the government seems.
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Speaker 1: To want to talk about it.
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Speaker 2: Energy minutes to Chris Bowen actually seems really keen to
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Speaker 2: talk about it.
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Speaker 4: We are happy to debate this every single day between
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Speaker 4: now and the next election, every single day.
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Speaker 2: Good luck to him, but I'm not really sure why now. Yes,
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Speaker 2: admittedly we don't have any cop stings yet, but they
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Speaker 2: will come. And that's all the government seems to have
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Speaker 2: at the moment to attack the costings or lack thereof,
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Speaker 2: because they know the argument over the safety of nuclear
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Speaker 2: energy just doesn't wash anymore.
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Speaker 1: Not that stopped all sorts.
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Speaker 2: Of alarmists carry on about three eyed koalas and whatever
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Speaker 2: last week, but people don't buy that stuff anymore. And
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Speaker 2: the polling continually shows that Australians support nuclear energy. They're
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Speaker 2: too smart for the alarmism. The Lower Institute today revealed
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Speaker 2: that sixty percent of Australians support nuclear energy as a
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Speaker 2: part of the nation's energy mix. Joining me in ouris
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Speaker 2: National's leader David Little Proud, David welcome. I mean the
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Speaker 2: response has been somewhat hysterical, I think from labor. But
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Speaker 2: it's interesting to see Bowen saying today we want to
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Speaker 2: have this argument every day up until the next election.
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Speaker 2: Do they actually think that this is one they can win?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think the ideology has become so ingrained that
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Speaker 4: they think this righteous view is that they will despite
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Speaker 4: the lived experience of what Australians are feeling at the
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Speaker 4: moment of what's coming out of their wallet. The two
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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy five dollars promised in low energy bills
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Speaker 4: hasn't been achieved, despite the fact that they themselves have
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Speaker 4: spent six and a half billion dollars of your own
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Speaker 4: Australian taxpayers money and trying to reduce that yet have
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Speaker 4: only increased it by over seven hundred dollars sort of
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Speaker 4: one thousand dollars off. So the reality is is we've
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Speaker 4: been very clear about this. We're taking the Australian people
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Speaker 4: on this journey. We've ruminated this for some time, firstly
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Speaker 4: about that our nuclear power plants will go where existing
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Speaker 4: coal fired powerstations are, and we've made that announcement now.
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Speaker 4: But we've also made the announcement there's strains alow this,
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Speaker 4: not multinationals from overseas sweeping in for just fifteen to
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Speaker 4: twenty years, putting up turbines and panels and transmission lines
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Speaker 4: and then running off with a bucket lader money, that
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Speaker 4: we'll leave this in austrain hands, a legacy that lasts
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Speaker 4: eighty to one hundred years and then the next phase
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Speaker 4: will be around what our total energy mix will look
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Speaker 4: like as well as the costings. What we're seeing is
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Speaker 4: that we need to have a sensible energy mix, not
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Speaker 4: all our energy eggs in one basket, having concentration, which
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Speaker 4: spreading that of transitioning some of our colified power assets
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Speaker 4: across to nuclear power plants with gas a lot of
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Speaker 4: gas and some carbon capture storage and renewables, but renewables
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Speaker 4: on an environment not destroying. You know, we continuing to
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Speaker 4: tear up your food security. No one's putting in the
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Speaker 4: costings of all this is how much your cost of
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Speaker 4: living is going to go up because of the livelihoods
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Speaker 4: of farmers that have been ripped away by the amount
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Speaker 4: of land taken up by these monstrosities across regional Australia,
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Speaker 4: as well as the transmission lines. Our future in regional
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Speaker 4: Australia doesn't need to be poles, wires, solar panels and turbines.
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Speaker 4: It should be a nuclear energy that takes over the
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Speaker 4: coal and many of those electorates, one of which a
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Speaker 4: mine overwhelmingly in support of this because they see the
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Speaker 4: future beyond just this all renewable pipe drain.
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Speaker 2: Well, the reality is that nuclear is the biggest threat
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Speaker 2: to renewable energy, right and the Energy Minister for Queensland
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Speaker 2: and basically admitted that last year. I think it was
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Speaker 2: the Smart Energy Council and he was speaking at one
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Speaker 2: of their conferences and he literally said that, you know,
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Speaker 2: a nuclear industry would be a moratorium on your industry,
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Speaker 2: the renewable industry. And so by releasing this policy, I
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Speaker 2: think the government's been somewhat wedged on all of this,
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Speaker 2: but it surprised me just how much they have bought
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Speaker 2: into that wedging and tried to turn it around and
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Speaker 2: use it as an argument against the opposition.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, it's the first.
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Speaker 2: Piece of real energy policy, different energy policy that's been
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Speaker 2: put on the table for a very long time. Australians
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Speaker 2: are supportive of nuclear energy. It seems very strange that
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Speaker 2: they would bank so heavily on this when people know
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Speaker 2: the numbers that they see on the front of their
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Speaker 2: power bills.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and just from a Queenslander's perspective, it really worries
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Speaker 4: me about the path of the state government's going down
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Speaker 4: in terms of of an eighty five percent renewables gridd
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Speaker 4: in Queensland. And when you understand in Queensland, there's a
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Speaker 4: dividend of close to one point eight billion dollars goes
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Speaker 4: back to the Queensland taxpayer every year from the generation
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Speaker 4: and distribution of power in Queensland. If you take away
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Speaker 4: those col fired power assets and you're handing them over
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Speaker 4: to multinationals from another country, where does that dividend come from?
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Speaker 4: There will be no dividend. And so the Queensland government
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Speaker 4: needs to explain if they're going to transition away from coal,
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Speaker 4: what assets they'll own that'll go to that dividend that
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Speaker 4: pays for hospitals and doctors and teachers and policemen. But
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Speaker 4: this is where we've got to understand that we are
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Speaker 4: going down a pathway that will not support our economy
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Speaker 4: to be able to be sustainable. And you need to
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Speaker 4: have that sustainable energy to have base load power to
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Speaker 4: keep manufacturing going. You can't can't keep subsidizing our economy
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Speaker 4: to keep it going in the manufacturing sector, Ultimately your
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Speaker 4: money runs out. So what you got to do is
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Speaker 4: fix the fundamentals, which is breading now mix across energy,
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Speaker 4: fixing ir and just getting the hell out of people's lives.
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Speaker 4: As quickly as you can, because governments don't create jobs.
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Speaker 4: The only jobs we create you pay for. And there's
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Speaker 4: thirty six thousand of them in this year's budget that
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Speaker 4: are coming to Canberra at the cost of twenty four billion.
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Speaker 1: The jobs that are.
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Speaker 4: Creating this country are from business. The people have the
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Speaker 4: sweat and courage of their own conviction, their own courage
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Speaker 4: to go out and spend their own money and their
18:21
Speaker 4: own sweat to create the jobs. And if we create
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Speaker 4: that environment to get our of their lives, then our
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Speaker 4: economy grows. People have jobs and we leave a legacy
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Speaker 4: as governments. It's not rocket science, but this is where
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Speaker 4: the ideology is getting mixed up with a practical reality
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Speaker 4: of how you get this country moving.
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Speaker 1: When are we actually going to get these costings?
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Speaker 2: Because I mean you look at the reaction of the
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Speaker 2: government over the last few days, it's all been basically
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Speaker 2: about the costings. Surely, releasing those numbers as soon as
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Speaker 2: possible puts a bullet in the one argument that the
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Speaker 2: government currently has.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's also been about the puerile argument they've run
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Speaker 4: about three eyed fish, when any responsible government, particularly a
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Speaker 4: prime minister, should not be engaging that when we're about
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Speaker 4: to put our Australian sub mariners. We're going to sleep
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Speaker 4: the next to this technology every night there at sea
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Speaker 4: in one of our nuclear subs. Is that really the
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Speaker 4: responsible action of a prime minister.
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Speaker 1: If that's the.
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Speaker 4: Extent of debate that he can contribute to in the
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Speaker 4: way that he can contribute to, then there's an intellectual
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Speaker 4: flaw there. But in terms of the costings, we'll be
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Speaker 4: very upfront. But we wanted to give respect to those
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Speaker 4: communities and we wanted to make sure that there wasn't
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Speaker 4: a scare campaign run across this country that there'd be
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Speaker 4: a nuclear power site at every town. What we've done
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Speaker 4: is made sure that we're working methodically through this and
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Speaker 4: we will. We'll be very clear about what those costings
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Speaker 4: are as well as what our total energy mix will be,
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Speaker 4: so that we can demonstrate clearly there is an alternative
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Speaker 4: Australian people, and we've been very clear about that and
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Speaker 4: that'll come very soon. But we're just making sure that
19:57
Speaker 4: we're working with respect to those communities that we've been
19:59
Speaker 4: out and I think some of that pollinge is demonstrating
20:02
Speaker 4: that there's a lot more comfort than what we'd even anticipated,
20:05
Speaker 4: and so that will give us comfort to move to
20:07
Speaker 4: the next phase.
20:09
Speaker 2: How about Matt Kean, of course, the former New South
20:12
Speaker 2: Wales Treasurer, a New South Wales Liberal treasurer who said
20:16
Speaker 2: last week that he was resigning to go and join
20:18
Speaker 2: the private sector, and he turns up today being appointed
20:22
Speaker 2: the chair of the Federal Climate Change Authority by the
20:25
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. Did this come as a surprise to you
20:29
Speaker 2: or was it a bit of an open secret.
20:32
Speaker 4: Ah, well, it was a surprise to me, but not
20:34
Speaker 4: a surprise in terms of what was announced. I mean,
20:38
Speaker 4: there is nothing more than a political stunt. It actually
20:40
Speaker 4: diminishes the standing of this institution by a Prime Minister
20:45
Speaker 4: who's trying to politicize it through appointing someone that has
20:50
Speaker 4: a very narrow ideological view about the reality of what
20:53
Speaker 4: Australians and those former in New South Wales where he
20:56
Speaker 4: represented people are feeling in their energy bills every month
21:00
Speaker 4: and not coming to it with the technology agnostic approach
21:03
Speaker 4: that you would expect someone to come to this authority
21:06
Speaker 4: to give advice to the government to have and so
21:10
Speaker 4: you know you can see it for what it is.
21:12
Speaker 4: Matt Kean was obviously given a very clear direction at
21:16
Speaker 4: the last New South Wales election, and if Anthony Albanezi
21:19
Speaker 4: wants to follow down that pathway then he can do
21:23
Speaker 4: that as much as he likes, as far as we're concerned.
21:26
Speaker 4: But Peter Dutton and myself are not for turning. We
21:29
Speaker 4: made a strong commitment around strong leadership of directing this
21:32
Speaker 4: country's energy grid of away from an all renewables approach
21:36
Speaker 4: into one that spreads our risk, that gives us opportunity
21:39
Speaker 4: to keep manufacturing going in this country without the ideology
21:42
Speaker 4: of tearing up your future and regional Australia's future.
21:47
Speaker 2: Look, you might not be for turning, but I'm not
21:50
Speaker 2: sure you and Darton have quite the same grade here
21:52
Speaker 2: that Margaret Thatcher did. Just very quickly before we go, David.
22:00
Speaker 1: Done to give it more than dust.
22:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got something on it, but just very quickly
22:08
Speaker 2: before we go. Victorians, we know that there's these likelihoods
22:12
Speaker 2: of gas shortages coming up this summer that had already
22:16
Speaker 2: been laid out by the AEMO, and we found out
22:18
Speaker 2: today that Victoria's main gas storage plant is set to
22:22
Speaker 2: run out by.
22:23
Speaker 1: The end of winter.
22:24
Speaker 2: And you've got the biggest manufacturers in the country ruling
22:27
Speaker 2: that they'll close factories. If supplies remained short, we've only
22:30
Speaker 2: got twenty seconds.
22:31
Speaker 1: But what a pickle we are.
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Speaker 4: In, David, Well, it's about supply and as someone who
22:37
Speaker 4: represents where all the gas is generated on shore, in
22:41
Speaker 4: the colt, in the Strap basin, we've had projects stop
22:45
Speaker 4: because of lack of confidence in what the Albanezi governments
22:47
Speaker 4: put in place. One ALIGNE was worth a billion dollars,
22:50
Speaker 4: was going to put one hundred and twenty pedadules into
22:52
Speaker 4: and would have already been there if Albanezi had approved
22:54
Speaker 4: it two years ago. That's ten percent of the East
22:57
Speaker 4: Coast market. But we're all going to suffer because of
23:00
Speaker 4: an ideology not meeting the practical reality. Not just your
23:03
Speaker 4: wallets but also the lived experience of business and households
23:06
Speaker 4: have been able to keep warm and keep businesses going.
23:09
Speaker 1: David little Proud, thanks for your tom.
23:12
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
23:13
Speaker 2: Mate. Now over in the UK is if the Tories
23:17
Speaker 2: weren't struggling enough, now they have a betting scandal on
23:20
Speaker 2: their hands. It just puts the cherry on the cake.
23:23
Speaker 2: There's two weeks till polling day. Now you've got Nick Mason,
23:27
Speaker 2: who's the Conservative's chief data officer, he's taken a leave
23:31
Speaker 2: of absence from his role because there's a probe now
23:34
Speaker 2: his alleged use of privileged information to bet on when.
23:38
Speaker 1: The election would be held. Can you believe it?
23:40
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan.
23:44
Speaker 1: He's not the only one.
23:45
Speaker 2: I think there's three others who've now been implicated.
23:49
Speaker 1: In all of this.
23:50
Speaker 2: How dumb can it get?
23:52
Speaker 5: Greg, Well, it's great to be with you. I mean,
23:57
Speaker 5: I must say that the Tories are going to get smashed,
24:00
Speaker 5: and they deserve to get smashed. I think Labor is
24:03
Speaker 5: going to provide a pretty poor government. I would say
24:07
Speaker 5: the party is a long way to the left of
24:08
Speaker 5: the leadership. It's going to embrace every wope nuttingness. It's
24:11
Speaker 5: going to try to rule through the courts. A lot
24:13
Speaker 5: of bad things are going to happen. The whole of
24:15
Speaker 5: Europe is moving to the right, but because the Tories
24:18
Speaker 5: were such a bad government, Britain is moving to the left.
24:22
Speaker 5: But honestly so, I know some of the Tory ministers
24:25
Speaker 5: Jacob Breeze, Mogan, Tom jugen Dat and Rishie Sunac himself,
24:31
Speaker 5: and I think they're.
24:32
Speaker 6: All very good.
24:33
Speaker 5: They're very very decent people, the ones I know, but
24:36
Speaker 5: there is obviously a sickness in the Conservative culture now
24:39
Speaker 5: where they haven't been willing to stand up for anything
24:43
Speaker 5: they believe in for years now, for a long long time,
24:46
Speaker 5: and then there is a seediness about their personal behavior.
24:50
Speaker 5: Boris Johnson was a brilliant, brilliant politician, but he really
24:54
Speaker 5: behaved in a seedy fashion without any personal discipline at all. Now,
24:58
Speaker 5: this business know when the election is going to be
25:01
Speaker 5: because you work for the Prime minister, so you send
25:04
Speaker 5: your spouse out to bet with thirty different bookmakers on
25:09
Speaker 5: the date of the elections so you can get high
25:12
Speaker 5: odds because you can predict the exact date. This is
25:15
Speaker 5: kind of it's pathetic, it's greedy, it's grubby. It can't
25:21
Speaker 5: really be even a huge amount of money. They're not
25:23
Speaker 5: even clever fraudsters. They're they're just horrible, unattractive adolescent schoolboys
25:31
Speaker 5: who ort to go away and get a proper job.
25:35
Speaker 5: And you know, the Conservative Party would be a lot
25:38
Speaker 5: better off if more of its members had had proper
25:41
Speaker 5: jobs before they went into parliament. And this is sadly
25:45
Speaker 5: the icing on the cake this scandal.
25:47
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more, Greg, because you know,
25:49
Speaker 2: I mean I love a punt right, Not even I
25:52
Speaker 2: would be dumb enough to go and do something like that.
25:54
Speaker 2: I mean, this almost leaves fine cotton for dead in
25:57
Speaker 2: terms of a bad ringing. So right when you say that,
26:01
Speaker 2: the problem is you've got so many people involved in politics,
26:04
Speaker 2: beating the Tories or elsewhere actually, who don't have real
26:09
Speaker 2: life experience outside of politics.
26:12
Speaker 1: And so what this does, all.
26:14
Speaker 2: The business about going off and having a bed on
26:16
Speaker 2: when the election is going to be it reinforces people's
26:19
Speaker 2: belief that politics is full of corrupt dopes. People who
26:24
Speaker 2: couldn't make it elsewhere have managed to make it in politics,
26:27
Speaker 2: and they're all in it for themselves. And that's why
26:29
Speaker 2: people like Farage Nigel Farage a tip to do reasonably
26:34
Speaker 2: well with his party Reform UK because he's going out
26:38
Speaker 2: there and saying I'm not part of the political establishment.
26:41
Speaker 2: And here is yet another example of why people hate
26:44
Speaker 2: the political establishment.
26:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're absolutely right, So Forage, I think in Boris Johnson,
26:52
Speaker 5: the two most influential Conservatives the last ten or fifteen years,
26:55
Speaker 5: Faraj's great strength. He's got two great strengths. It sounds
26:59
Speaker 5: like a normal and he takes very clear positions. So
27:04
Speaker 5: he was in favor of Brexit, and he won the argument.
27:08
Speaker 5: Ian Johnson won the argument. I think Faja's latest remark
27:12
Speaker 5: that you know, the West provoked Vladimir Putin into the
27:15
Speaker 5: invasion of Ukraine is wrong. It's dismal, it's unfactual, it's
27:22
Speaker 5: deeply stupid, and it shows the limitations of his particular
27:27
Speaker 5: kind of populism. So he is an outsider, and he's
27:31
Speaker 5: a maverick, and he's a populist and all the rest
27:33
Speaker 5: of it. None of those words would have a bad
27:35
Speaker 5: connotation for me. But it's just barking mad to say
27:39
Speaker 5: that anyone is responsible for Vladimir Putin's murderous dictatorship other
27:45
Speaker 5: than Vladimir Putin himself. And you know, there is a
27:50
Speaker 5: danger with some right wingers who react against conventional wisdom
27:54
Speaker 5: so badly, so violently, that they think anything that is
27:58
Speaker 5: conventional wisdom is bad. So it's conventional wisdom that democracy
28:02
Speaker 5: is superior to savage KGB form totalitarianism. Therefore we should
28:07
Speaker 5: be doubtful about that. So I think in a way,
28:10
Speaker 5: for Raja's bad misstep on Russia, it probably helps the conservatives.
28:15
Speaker 5: It probably means that some hundreds of thousands of voters
28:19
Speaker 5: who would otherwise have voted reform and now with a
28:22
Speaker 5: terrible weary sigh, going to return to the Conservative Party.
28:25
Speaker 5: But I think that's overall a good thing, because in
28:28
Speaker 5: the end they are the party which will form the
28:30
Speaker 5: next non labor government, probably in ten or fifteen years time.
28:34
Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go greg Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya,
28:38
Speaker 2: who has declared the intense phase of farting in Rafa
28:42
Speaker 2: in southern Gaza is nearly over. But of course it
28:44
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that the war's coming to an end. The
28:46
Speaker 2: IDF is now going to be deployed to the border
28:49
Speaker 2: of Lebanon, where of course the exchanges between Israeli forces
28:53
Speaker 2: and Hezbollah have been escalating.
28:55
Speaker 1: Where to for the war now.
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Speaker 5: I'm glad that they're going to stop the fighting in Gaza,
29:03
Speaker 5: and I think Humas won't come to the party over
29:07
Speaker 5: a reasonable cease fire. The moral responsibility for the death
29:11
Speaker 5: and destruction in Gaza less lies with Hamas. But Israel
29:16
Speaker 5: can simply stop the high scale, the high intensity violence,
29:22
Speaker 5: and I think they should. I think that's a good
29:24
Speaker 5: idea as well as being good on humanitarian grounds, even
29:30
Speaker 5: though they haven't got the hostages, and I want them
29:31
Speaker 5: to get the hostages. It's also necessary because the IDF,
29:35
Speaker 5: the Israeli Defense Force, is very tired after this long campaign.
29:39
Speaker 5: Now Israel has a big problem on its northern border.
29:42
Speaker 5: You know, hundreds of Israeli towns have been rendered uninhabitable
29:46
Speaker 5: by Hesbola missiles and something like eighty thousand Israelis are
29:50
Speaker 5: still evacuated from their homes in the north. Israel can't
29:54
Speaker 5: tolerate that forever. But I think Israel wants to be
29:57
Speaker 5: careful about starting an all out con inflict with hes Bola.
30:01
Speaker 5: On the other hand, I think there are options to
30:04
Speaker 5: do a more limited operation to try to get hes
30:08
Speaker 5: Bala back ten or twenty kilometers from the border, and
30:11
Speaker 5: then they can repopulate their own northern towns, or maybe
30:15
Speaker 5: when the violence stops in Gaza, they can negotiate a
30:18
Speaker 5: modus for vendi with Hezbolla. Now, hes Blar is very unreasonable.
30:22
Speaker 5: They are a terrorist group like Humas, and they're defined
30:25
Speaker 5: under Australian law as terrorists. But I don't think they
30:28
Speaker 5: want southern Lebanon to look like Gaza. So this is
30:31
Speaker 5: a very very tense and difficult, difficult moment.
30:34
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, pleasure as always, thank you so much for
30:37
Speaker 2: joining me. When it comes to foreign affairs, you'd be
30:39
Speaker 2: hard pressed to find someone better than Greg Sheridan in
30:42
Speaker 2: this country. After the break, Labor confirms it will be
30:45
Speaker 2: cracking down on supermarkets through a behavior code. Plus, I'll
30:48
Speaker 2: ask my panel what they think about the Governor General's
30:51
Speaker 2: massive pay rise.
30:52
Speaker 1: All that in the moment.
30:56
Speaker 2: Well I mentioned at the top of the show that
30:58
Speaker 2: the nuclear debators of cour one we're going to be
31:00
Speaker 2: having right up until the next election. As much as
31:03
Speaker 2: Labor bash as the coalition plan, it's clear that voters
31:07
Speaker 2: aren't buying it because you've got sixty percent of Australians
31:10
Speaker 2: support nuclear as part of the country's energy mix, according
31:13
Speaker 2: to a poll by the Lowing Institute out today. Let's
31:16
Speaker 2: see what my panel thinks that this joining me now
31:19
Speaker 2: as former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy and One Nation Chief
31:22
Speaker 2: of Staff James Ashby, Gentlemen, welcome Stephen six in ten
31:26
Speaker 2: Ozzi's support nuclear energy according to this poll.
31:30
Speaker 1: Why is Labour continuing with the scare campaign?
31:35
Speaker 6: Well, look, I think there's been three or four poles
31:38
Speaker 6: which have all shown some degree of support for the proposition,
31:42
Speaker 6: not necessarily the coalition's proposition, just the proposition of nuclear
31:46
Speaker 6: power being included. But I mean, the most definitive pole
31:50
Speaker 6: so far have shown that people overwhelming sport renewables in
31:53
Speaker 6: terms of wind and solar, So I think we need
31:57
Speaker 6: to keep that in perspective, and that nuclear rate much
32:00
Speaker 6: lower down that ranking than the rawd number that you
32:07
Speaker 6: just tried to suggest. Having said that, Labor needs to
32:10
Speaker 6: be very careful. It can't just assume that everybody you
32:16
Speaker 6: know takes the view that might have been prevalent twenty
32:18
Speaker 6: years ago, which was nuclear disasters around the world were
32:22
Speaker 6: well remembered and there's great risks with living near them
32:26
Speaker 6: and all those sorts of vibrants. I think Labor has
32:29
Speaker 6: to prosecute the case against the Dutton Plan. And the
32:33
Speaker 6: problem is there's not much to oppose at the moment
32:36
Speaker 6: because there's no costing, there's no technology being picked, there's
32:42
Speaker 6: no confirmed sites, and there's no percentage of power that
32:50
Speaker 6: is going to be included in the grid. I mean,
32:51
Speaker 6: the calculations so far have been the seven sites might
32:54
Speaker 6: produce as little as four percent. Well, what's the other
32:59
Speaker 6: ninety six percent if only four percent is coming from
33:02
Speaker 6: the nuclear option. So people are prepared to give it
33:05
Speaker 6: a look because people are feeling desperate. They want to
33:07
Speaker 6: see the cost of living, particularly energy price is coming down.
33:11
Speaker 6: The problem is that Peter Dutton's plan doesn't deliver any
33:15
Speaker 6: energy price decrease is till twenty forty when the first
33:18
Speaker 6: nuclear power comes online. So there's plenty of substance to
33:22
Speaker 6: attack them on. Because of the lack of substance that
33:24
Speaker 6: you're seeing from Peter Dutton and the Liberals.
33:27
Speaker 2: So far, le's for the other ninety six off percent.
33:30
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got things like gas and whatever that
33:31
Speaker 2: we export readily that we could probably use here. And
33:34
Speaker 2: we saw stories that I talked about earlier. You know,
33:36
Speaker 2: Victoria is essentially running out of gas. I mean, how
33:39
Speaker 2: in a country like Australia do you run out of gas?
33:41
Speaker 2: But James Bowen said today and I played the clip earlier,
33:44
Speaker 2: that he's ready to talk about this every day until
33:48
Speaker 2: the next election. I feel like they're kind of buying
33:51
Speaker 2: into the game that the Coalition set up for them here.
33:56
Speaker 7: Well, as long as it's a mature conversation, you don't
33:59
Speaker 7: mind Bowen opening his mouth and having that discussion about nuclear.
34:03
Speaker 7: Look at the end of the day, set yeah, well
34:07
Speaker 7: that's true. But the reality is that Australians are looking
34:11
Speaker 7: for a mature conversation. It's proof that we've matured as
34:15
Speaker 7: a country. We can have these debates. But by all means,
34:18
Speaker 7: we should have never, ever, ever blocked the ability for
34:22
Speaker 7: Australia to have nuclear in the first place. And sadly
34:25
Speaker 7: that was the decision of Howard with the support of
34:28
Speaker 7: the Greens at that time. But look, I've got extended
34:31
Speaker 7: family that live in Billy Wheeler, one of the sites
34:33
Speaker 7: where the Callied Power station is. I spoke to them
34:36
Speaker 7: just a week ago when this announcement was made and
34:38
Speaker 7: I said, how do you feel about it? And they
34:40
Speaker 7: just put simply said, look, as long as we don't
34:43
Speaker 7: lose jobs in the area, we're very happy to see nuclear.
34:47
Speaker 7: And they're five kilometers away from that site. So it's
34:50
Speaker 7: pretty obvious that people are open to the idea of nuclear.
34:53
Speaker 7: It's about time. If we're to keep manufacturing in this country,
34:56
Speaker 7: we've got to have cheap energy. It will not come
34:59
Speaker 7: from so it won't come from wind and hydrogen. If
35:03
Speaker 7: you're worried about volatile fuels out there. Hydrogen is one
35:09
Speaker 7: of the most volatile and yet we're looking to put
35:12
Speaker 7: a massive, big plant down there in Gladstone. So look,
35:15
Speaker 7: I'm glad people are open at this discussion about nuclear.
35:19
Speaker 2: Stephen, how can we justify this big pay rise that
35:22
Speaker 2: Sam Moston, the incoming Governor General, is going to get,
35:25
Speaker 2: you know, seven hundred and nine thousand dollars a year.
35:28
Speaker 2: It's two hundred and fourteen grand more than David Hurley
35:32
Speaker 2: is getting right now. How is there an excuse for
35:35
Speaker 2: that in a cost of living crisis?
35:39
Speaker 6: Well, look, I'm not sure when the last substantive increase
35:43
Speaker 6: for the Governor General went through. I don't know whether
35:46
Speaker 6: they've been getting just the small regular increases, but certainly,
35:51
Speaker 6: I mean David Hurley proved it. There's an enormous job
35:55
Speaker 6: that is being done and I think if you were
35:57
Speaker 6: to look at the Independent Tribunal, they were taken into
36:01
Speaker 6: account the added responsibilities that Governor generals over the last
36:05
Speaker 6: ten years have been engaged in. And there's been there
36:10
Speaker 6: the compassionate work when we have national crisis and national
36:15
Speaker 6: floods and national bush fires, and they've been there. They've
36:19
Speaker 6: represented a saverseas. So all of these are important parts
36:23
Speaker 6: of the role. But I suspect that most of the
36:27
Speaker 6: most of the work that has been done has been
36:30
Speaker 6: adding up and clearly the independent Tribunal decided that it
36:35
Speaker 6: was time to Well, it's.
36:36
Speaker 1: Not the tribunal. This is a decision of the government,
36:40
Speaker 1: the government.
36:41
Speaker 6: I'm not sure whether it's a government or.
36:44
Speaker 1: It is the government. This is set by the government.
36:48
Speaker 2: I mean, look, James, if they can tell me that
36:50
Speaker 2: the Governor general's workload has gone up forty three percent
36:54
Speaker 2: in the last three years or last five years, sorry,
36:56
Speaker 2: which is what the pay increase will be, then maybe
37:00
Speaker 2: understand the argument. But for heaven's sake, seven undregrets more
37:03
Speaker 2: than the Prime Minister's on.
37:04
Speaker 7: James Stephen, you've still got it. You should never have
37:08
Speaker 7: left the Senate. Mate, Your BS detectors right up there.
37:12
Speaker 7: It's so good, mate.
37:13
Speaker 8: Look.
37:14
Speaker 7: Look, this is looking after mates. This is labor looking
37:17
Speaker 7: after their mates. This is a woman that doesn't even
37:20
Speaker 7: believe in the monarchy. Look, call me a cynic, but
37:24
Speaker 7: I'd say this. I reckon. This is labor deliberately jacking
37:27
Speaker 7: the wages up. This is likely, in Labour's books, to
37:30
Speaker 7: be the very last governor general will have I think
37:33
Speaker 7: this just feeds into the Republican debate. Why have we
37:36
Speaker 7: got to spend all this money on a governor general.
37:39
Speaker 7: Let's get rid of Let's get rid of it and
37:41
Speaker 7: go to a republic. That's what Labour's doing here, and
37:44
Speaker 7: in the meantime they're throwing everyone on the gravy train.
37:47
Speaker 2: Well look, you know, we could get rid of the
37:49
Speaker 2: GG and we could go to a republic. But you
37:51
Speaker 2: know what, it had cost us a lot more than
37:53
Speaker 2: seven hundred k. So if that's the choice I've got
37:56
Speaker 2: to make, maybe it's naugh to convince me to pay
37:58
Speaker 2: this seven hundred k. Stephen Conroy, James Ashby, thank you
38:02
Speaker 2: so much for your time.
38:03
Speaker 1: All right, still to come.
38:04
Speaker 2: Sydney University has been slammed for capitulating to a fringe
38:07
Speaker 2: protest group with links to extremism.
38:10
Speaker 1: I'll speak to a terrorism expert about the risks next.
38:12
Speaker 1: Don't go away.
38:17
Speaker 9: Well.
38:17
Speaker 2: Sydney University is under fire again after bowing down to
38:20
Speaker 2: activists involved in that pro Palestinian encampment, despite concerns some
38:25
Speaker 2: of them have links to extremism. So a deal has
38:28
Speaker 2: now been done between the university and the Muslim Students Association,
38:32
Speaker 2: which will result in defense and security related research activities
38:36
Speaker 2: being disclosed publicly on the university's website. From next month,
38:40
Speaker 2: the UNI will also establish a working group quote unquote
38:45
Speaker 2: giving members of the Muslim Student Association a seat at
38:48
Speaker 2: the table. But national security experts are quite rightly worried
38:52
Speaker 2: about this and what it could mean for millions of
38:54
Speaker 2: dollars in defense related research. They've called on the Vice
38:58
Speaker 2: Chancellor to abandon this foolish push. Joining me to discuss
39:01
Speaker 2: this is former Director of Countering Violent Extremism for New
39:05
Speaker 2: South Wales Youth Justice, Peter Lowe. Peter, there's plenty of
39:09
Speaker 2: reason to be concerned here when you are dealing with
39:13
Speaker 2: people who at least in some ways have given their
39:17
Speaker 2: support to a terrorist organization. Why would you give them
39:21
Speaker 2: any inch. You give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
39:26
Speaker 8: It's a good point, and a lot of the concerns
39:28
Speaker 8: that have been raised about our particular reputational damage, but
39:31
Speaker 8: also our information sharing agreements with many of our Five
39:35
Speaker 8: Eyes allies will be threatened because I guess it's concerning
39:40
Speaker 8: that we might be releasing any sort of information about
39:43
Speaker 8: research being.
39:51
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we've Peter, I think we lost
39:59
Speaker 2: you there from it back.
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Speaker 8: I can hear you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, we'll go from where we were. Sorry you got
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Speaker 2: cut off about thirty seconds in.
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Speaker 8: I was just saying, of course there's concern. I mean,
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Speaker 8: it's concerning if we're releasing any information about research that's
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Speaker 8: happening in the national security space, especially when some of
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Speaker 8: that research might impact on our allies and other countries
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Speaker 8: in the Five Eyes.
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Speaker 2: So we're talking about people here who were involved in
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Speaker 2: this encampment and people who had links to his book
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Speaker 2: to Rear, which obviously is an extremist Islamic or Islamist group.
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Speaker 2: It's designated as a terrorist organization in the UK. Why
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Speaker 2: would the university want to give them any kind of ground,
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Speaker 2: particularly when, as you talk about, you know, we are
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Speaker 2: talking about serious deals here, not only for the university
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Speaker 2: but for the country.
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Speaker 8: Look, I think it's difficult to speak on behalf of
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Speaker 8: why s in the university might have made this decision.
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Speaker 8: I think partly, when I look at it, I think
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Speaker 8: perhaps they're trying to negotiate in order to remove the protesters,
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Speaker 8: and they think that this might be a way of
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Speaker 8: being a more peaceful sort of resolution to that. Look,
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Speaker 8: either way, the entire thing is quite polarizing, and not
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Speaker 8: just from a national security perspective, but also from a
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Speaker 8: social cohesion perspective. And right with so, I mean we
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Speaker 8: should be worried if extremist groups are infiltrating protests, and
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Speaker 8: you're right, designated terrorist group in the UK, not here
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Speaker 8: in Australia, but still an extremist group, and we should
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Speaker 8: be concerned that we would be engaging at all in
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Speaker 8: competulating to extremist groups.
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Speaker 2: You've worked extensively in the counter terrorism space, particularly where
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Speaker 2: it comes to young people. Are you worried about a
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Speaker 2: rise in radicalization of young people at the moment?
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Speaker 8: Look, I've spoken about this a few times. I'm not
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Speaker 8: sure if I'm worried about a rise and radicalization of
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Speaker 8: young people. I think we're noticing more and we're becoming
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Speaker 8: more aware of young people in the space. I think
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Speaker 8: generally there's a rise in radicalization and that just means
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Speaker 8: people who are holding more and more radical views. I
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Speaker 8: think that there's a lot in the context at the
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Speaker 8: moment that's contributing to that, and young people are part
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Speaker 8: of society, they're impacted like everyone else.
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Speaker 2: Peter Low, thank you so much for your time after
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Speaker 2: the break. Tourism under threat at Great Keppel Island as
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Speaker 2: the traditional owners launch a new bid for exclusive ownership,
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Speaker 2: plus the bizarre questions the idf ADF sorry is asking
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Speaker 2: on its official job form. I'll tell you what they
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Speaker 2: are next. Well, there's another native title battle brewing, this
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Speaker 2: time between the Queensland State Government and the traditional owners
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Speaker 2: of Great Keppel Island, who've launched a fresh claim for
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Speaker 2: exclusive ownership and use of key parts of the island,
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Speaker 2: raising questions over the future of tourism. There joining me
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Speaker 2: to discuss this in more of the day's top stories
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Speaker 2: is my Penelton Itight IPA Deputy Executive director, Daniel war
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Speaker 2: and history lecturer and author of Stephen Chevra. Daniel, the
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Speaker 2: queens And Government is actually going to challenge this claim,
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Speaker 2: but it's a pretty extraordinary one.
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Speaker 10: Well it is, and I think a lot of Australians
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Speaker 10: look at this and say, well, we voted no to
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Speaker 10: the Voice to Parliament. Sixty percent of Australians voted no.
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Speaker 10: Almost seventy percent of Queenslanders voted no to the Voice
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Speaker 10: to Parliament. Yet we see across the country whether it's
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Speaker 10: in Victoria, there's a treaty process. In South Australia, there's
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Speaker 10: a state based Voice to Parliament, even though almost two
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Speaker 10: thirds of South Australians voted no to the federal Voice
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Speaker 10: to Parliament. And now we see this land claim. So
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Speaker 10: my issue here is not so much with native title
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Speaker 10: in and of itself, even though it can be reformed
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Speaker 10: and improved, but it's the idea that one group of
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Speaker 10: people would have exclusive access to a certain parcel of
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Speaker 10: Australian land based on their race or their ancestry, and
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Speaker 10: it's just fundamentally divisive and I think Australians are over
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Speaker 10: it correct.
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Speaker 2: And the concern here, Stephen, of course, is that once
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Speaker 2: you've got one example of this, how many others might
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Speaker 2: you have? And we have seen a native title and
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Speaker 2: the money that can come with it for some of
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Speaker 2: these Aboriginal land corporations used to stifle big projects, things
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Speaker 2: like the nuclear waste dump which was planned for Kimber
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Speaker 2: and they went off to court and managed to.
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Speaker 1: Have that dumped.
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Speaker 2: So you know there are consequences for these native title decisions.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right. And one of the consequences is that
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Speaker 11: great Keppel island won't get what it really needs, and
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Speaker 11: that is private investment. Now, the Queensland government has recently
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Speaker 11: promised to inject thirty million dollars into it as a
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Speaker 11: sort of a gesture of goodwill to maybe future private investors.
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Speaker 11: What will spook private investors off is if the original
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Speaker 11: sort of custodians of the land get it under a
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Speaker 11: native title, because then everything becomes very unpredictable, because what's
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Speaker 11: not unusual is for tourist areas to be closed off
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Speaker 11: from the public because they're declared sacred sites. The obvious
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Speaker 11: example is Airs Rock.
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Speaker 6: And so what we really need.
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Speaker 11: For Great Keppel Island is private investment to make sure
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Speaker 11: that there are always hundreds and hundreds of jobs for
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Speaker 11: locals and particularly local Indigenous Australians are the best thing
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Speaker 11: for that is private investment. Probably the worst thing for
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Speaker 11: private investment is for it to be placed at the
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Speaker 11: whim of a native title, original custodian owners.
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Speaker 2: Now we know jents that the Australian Defense Force is
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Speaker 2: struggling to get people to sign up. The federal government's
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Speaker 2: now talking about allowing people from our allies who are
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Speaker 2: a permanent residence but not citizens of the country to
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Speaker 2: join up to the defense force.
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Speaker 1: Is it any wonder when you go and have a.
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Speaker 2: Look at the form you have to fill out if
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Speaker 2: you want to apply to join the army or the
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Speaker 2: Navy or the Air Force or whatever. The first question
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Speaker 2: that they're asking now on these forms, and you can
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Speaker 2: see it there on the screen, is whether you're non
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Speaker 2: binary or whether the agenda of diverse or whether you're
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Speaker 2: questioning come on, Daniel.
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Speaker 1: Is that really the first thing?
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Speaker 2: The first thing I'd be asking is do you have
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Speaker 2: a gun license? Are you willing to train? Do you
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Speaker 2: want to defend your country?
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Speaker 9: No?
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Speaker 2: No, no, we must check on your gender diversity first.
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Speaker 11: Well, this was justified.
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Speaker 10: The other thing i'd be asking is do you believe
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Speaker 10: Australia is a good country and a country that's worth defending?
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Speaker 10: And you look at this and I couldn't believe it,
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Speaker 10: you know when I read this, Kleeb. But you know
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Speaker 10: this shows that we're living in dangerous times and what
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Speaker 10: we need is cultural rearmament and cultural self confidence rather
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Speaker 10: than this divisive work agenda being pushed not by the
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Speaker 10: rank and file. You know, many affirm are there because
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Speaker 10: they believe Australia is a good country and they want
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Speaker 10: to defend it, but by the so called leadership of
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Speaker 10: our defense forces that appear to be failing time and
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Speaker 10: time again increasingly.
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Speaker 2: Steve and I look at these things and I want
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Speaker 2: to say, I can't believe this is real, But actually
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Speaker 2: every single time I believe it's real.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, the rainbow cult is more powerful than ever. And
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Speaker 11: what we actually need is people in the upper echelons,
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Speaker 11: in the top ranks, having the courage to call it
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Speaker 11: out and just saying this is going to destroy our army.
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Speaker 11: This was all about they say, getting the best into
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Speaker 11: the army. Well, let me tell you. If you're afraid
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Speaker 11: that you're going to get misgendered in the army, or
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Speaker 11: if you're afraid that there are going to be enough
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Speaker 11: rainbows around and that's really going to hurt you, you
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Speaker 11: are not the best person to be defending our country.
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Speaker 1: I think you might be right there.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 2: The climate crazies they're at it again. They're always at it,
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Speaker 2: but here they are this time at the PGA Travelers Championship.
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Speaker 9: Take a look.
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Speaker 1: Jeez.
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Speaker 2: They just always know how to endear themselves to people,
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Speaker 2: don't they, Stephen.
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Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely about These are people who have no ability
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Speaker 11: to argue for their case. They have no ability to
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Speaker 11: be able to create anything, and so they're basically all
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Speaker 11: about destruction and disruption. And these are people who are
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Speaker 11: just traumatized by a climate cult apocalyptic movement that has
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Speaker 11: given them every reason to destroy everything that people enjoy
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Speaker 11: and really no ability to be able to suggest anything
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Speaker 11: constructive in its place.
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Speaker 2: Very quickly, before we go, Daniel, you've got the SDA
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Speaker 2: and a few other unions are leading a push to
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Speaker 2: give workers a minimum five weeks of annual lever as
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Speaker 2: opposed to the four they've got at the moment.
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Speaker 1: What do you think.
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm a favorit of flexibility, and if you want
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Speaker 10: to negotiate that as an employee with your boss, go
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Speaker 10: for it. That's great. But if this is mandated, we
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Speaker 10: all know who's going to pay the price. It won't
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Speaker 10: be the big corporates or the public sector. It'll just
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Speaker 10: be another cost to the struggling small and medium enterprises
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Speaker 10: right across the country.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've argued before that we should abolish most public
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Speaker 2: holidays and give give them two people as extra and
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Speaker 2: you leave and they can then decide I went to
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Speaker 2: use them. I mean, having worked in newspapers and journalism
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Speaker 2: for most of my working career.
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Speaker 1: That's how it works.
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Speaker 2: We get to six weeks of van, you'll leave, but
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Speaker 2: we work public holidays and I can take to choose
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Speaker 2: it when I want. Daniel Wilde, Stephen Shaviira, thank you
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Speaker 2: for your time. Well that's it from me. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you again tomorrow at seven o'clock up now, Sharry Markson