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Hurricane Season Jeep Survival Guide: How Deep Can Your Jeep Go in Flood Water? · Jeep Talk Show

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  Hi there Jeepers, Tony
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  and Josh here with you
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  and we're gonna talk
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  about hurricane season
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  and then we're gonna have a
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  you, you
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  I got it, I finally got it right Josh.
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  That'll be coming up in this
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  episode of the Jeep Talk Show,
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  the flagship episode.
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  All right Josh,
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  hurricane season is coming up.
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  I know that means nothing.
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  That's right, everybody's gonna get a chance
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  to buy one of those new inline six
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  engines, are we ready?
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  Oh no, not that kind of
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  hurricane season though.
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  Okay, I didn't get that,
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  you got that one, Vami.
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  So, but I don't think
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  that the hurricane season
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  affects you at all.
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  You're more of a, being an Oregon,
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  you're more of a tsunami type person,
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  which we've had some recent earthquakes.
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  So, has there been a
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  tsunami issue in Oregon for you?
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  Oh yeah, no, we get them every so often
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  because of the subduction
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  zone that is off the coast.
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  In fact, there was an earthquake,
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  I think around 3.6 that
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  was measured yesterday
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  or day before it was this week,
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  but it was like six miles offshore
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  and like 30 miles down
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  or something like that.
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  And it was such a small earthquake that,
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  although it registered, and I think
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  that's enough for them
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  to be like, okay, do
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  we need to keep an eye
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  on the water levels and stuff like that?
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  But there's been several
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  tsunami warnings issued
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  for the Oregon coast over the last decade
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  that I can remember just
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  from the recent activity
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  off the West Coast.
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  So does it affect me at all?
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  No, I've got an entire mountain range
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  between me and the Oregon coast.
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  So I'm pretty safe as far as that goes,
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  but Pacific Northwest,
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  we get a ton of rainfall.
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  I was going to the next
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  question about flooding.
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  Yeah, so flooding is
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  definitely common around here.
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  We have, well, Portland
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  is known as River City,
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  as well as Bridgetown,
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  because we have so many rivers
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  and bridges in the metro area.
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  And because of all the rivers and streams
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  and all the runoff in
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  the mountainous region
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  that I live in, you get snow melt,
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  you get a decent amount of rainfall,
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  and those streams and
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  rivers will crest rather quickly,
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  especially if you're getting more than,
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  let's say a couple of few
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  inches of rain in an hour
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  or over throughout the course of the day,
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  that happens for, here
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  in the Pacific Northwest,
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  it'll rain for 14 days straight.
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  That ain't no thing.
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  So when you get
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  multiple inches of rain per day
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  for days and days at a
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  time, little streams and rivers,
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  well, sometimes they just can't keep up
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  and their banks will crest,
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  and we get flooding all
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  the time out in this region.
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  Yeah, we had, I always tell
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  people that the media lies,
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  whether it be local or national,
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  and several times the
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  local news media here,
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  with all the tropical
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  stuff that we get here
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  in Southeast Texas, they
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  will talk about flooding,
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  turn around, don't drown,
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  all these things that they say,
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  they get people out
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  there reporting on the water,
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  and I'm sitting here at my house,
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  and I ain't got no flooding.
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  I have no risk of
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  flooding, but here about--
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  Right, but you get that one reporter
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  who's over at the
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  corner of the McDonald's
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  near a plugged up rain drain,
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  and they're standing in
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  three inches of water,
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  and it is an absolute
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  torrential downpour here,
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  we are stuck in the middle of this lake,
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  and they gotta
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  over-sensationalize everything.
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  Well, you know,
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  somebody actually got fired,
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  I think it was the
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  local ABC station got fired
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  because he was in some water,
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  like almost up to his short pants,
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  and then after he reported, he stood up,
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  because he was on his knees in the water.
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  (laughing)
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  And he should have made
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  sure the camera was on first.
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  Come on, man.
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  Truth don't sell the eyeballs, you know?
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  But anyway, what I was gonna say is,
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  is that I can't remember
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  the name of the hurricane,
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  the hurricane didn't affect
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  us, but it came up the coast,
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  and then we had training rainstorms,
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  that tropical stuff for days,
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  and literally two streets away,
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  the street was flooded, so
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  it got that close to my house.
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  It has never, I've been
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  to this house since 97,
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  it has never got that deep
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  of water in this neighborhood.
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  I mean, certain areas will fall close to
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  the creek and stuff,
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  but over here at my house now.
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  So you may be surprised what
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  you may have to do in your Jeep.
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  Now, of course, if you're at your house
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  and it's not flooding, then
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  don't go drive around in it.
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  I mean, sure, it's fun,
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  but you don't have to get out
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  and be in that situation,
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  but what if you're in a
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  flash flood situation,
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  or down here you have a lot of rain,
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  and you're driving down I-10,
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  and you're going through an underpass,
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  which they've dug 20 or 30 feet down.
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  (laughs)
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  And now, trying to get home,
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  you only know how to
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  get home on the highway,
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  or one of the other highways in Houston.
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  Now, what do you do?
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  Obviously, you stop and
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  you wait for it to go down,
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  but you may be in a situation
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  where it's raining
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  and raining and raining,
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  and the water's coming up
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  higher and higher and higher.
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  I mean, how embarrassing is it to get
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  your Jeep flooded out
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  when you had the
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  ability to go on the median
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  or up on the side of the overpass
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  and drive up there
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  that was well above water?
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  You may not be able to go anywhere,
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  but it is your Jeep that flooded out.
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  You don't want to be the family
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  that's on top of your
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  roof getting rescued
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  while you have a Jeep in the driveway.
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  No, you don't. Say, "Come on, man."
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  You had the ample
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  opportunity and the means.
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  But you raised an
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  interesting point, Tony,
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  about knowing only one way.
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  And that's part of emergency preparedness
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  that we've talked about for years.
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  And if you've got the emergency vehicle
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  sitting in your driveway, and honestly,
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  if you own a Jeep, you
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  own an emergency vehicle.
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  You have a vehicle that is
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  capable of getting you out
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  of an emergency
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  situation almost regardless
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  of what circumstances
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  are present at the time.
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  But that being said, knowing your area,
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  knowing your surroundings,
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  and having contingency plans,
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  that's what it's all about.
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  I mean, I think back to the years
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  when I was back in 2008
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  when the recession hit
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  and gas prices hit five bucks a gallon.
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  And so I bought a motorcycle
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  because I was driving the
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  Jeep every day for work.
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  And it was like 40
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  over $400 or something,
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  I think, one way.
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  It was 40 miles from
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  door to door one way.
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  And it was a minimum
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  of an hour and a half
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  to two hours of traffic in the afternoon.
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  It's a lot of gas, dude.
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  And so it got to the point of where I had
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  to get something else, and a motorcycle
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  just sort of fit the bill.
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  And so I was commuting on a motorcycle
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  for the better part of
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  about a year, year and a half
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  every single day.
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  And on a motorcycle,
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  especially an air cooled bike,
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  you learn to keep moving.
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  And that means you
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  find some arterial routes
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  that to get yourself
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  from point A to point B.
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  And that might be just an
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  awesome little family outing.
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  One Sunday, you go
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  the route less traveled.
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  And you and the family, you pack up,
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  and maybe you find a
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  couple of different routes
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  to get to Grandma's house,
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  or to get to the high ground,
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  or whatever it may be, and find yourself
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  some different routes.
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  Maybe talk with the
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  Mrs. the night before,
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  whatever, talk with the
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  family the night before.
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  Figure out, okay, this is our
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  map, this is where we're at.
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  Look at Google, find out where you're at,
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  what's around, and look
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  at some different routes.
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  Because you may need to
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  get to the grocery store.
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  You may need to find a different route
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  to get home from work,
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  to rescue the family.
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  All these sorts of things.
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  And if there's a
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  flooded road, down to trees,
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  down to power lines, you may not be able
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  to take your standard
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  route, and need to find
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  these extra routes to get you to a point
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  where you can save your
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  family, or save yourself.
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  Yeah, and so I've gone through,
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  and well, actually, I
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  got Grock to give me
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  the how deep of water
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  that you can go through
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  with a factory Jeep,
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  depending on the model.
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  So--
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  20 to 30 inches.
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  Well, actually, the YJ,
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  which is the first Wrangler,
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  and it was the 90s, I
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  don't have the date,
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  the years on here, but the YJ,
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  the official rating is 20 to 24 inches,
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  which is a lot higher
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  than what I thought,
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  especially for the first Wrangler.
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  So you can go, now,
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  that's the official rating.
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  The practical safe
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  depth is 12 to 18 inches.
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  So it means you can go
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  through the deeper water,
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  but you're probably gonna
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  get water inside the Jeep.
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  Right, and maybe-- You're just gonna
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  freak the wife out.
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  It's coming through the door!
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  (laughing)
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  It's one of those things where
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  fording water is a technique unto itself,
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  and it's akin to any other kind of
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  off-roading situation,
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  whether it be rock
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  crawling, whether it be mud bogging,
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  whether it be trail
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  riding, whatever it may be,
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  there's a different
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  type of driving parameter
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  that you engage in.
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  Your technique is going to be different,
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  and water fording is
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  very much a technique
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  that needs to be mastered.
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  You can't just drive
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  like you would normally.
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  You can't just wheel
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  like you would normally.
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  Crossing a river, you don't know
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  what's underneath the water,
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  there could be some uneven rocks,
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  there could be a giant pit
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  that you're not aware of,
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  that could swallow the
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  front end of your Jeep,
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  and suddenly your intake is underwater
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  when you were just in 18
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  inches of water before.
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  So lots of unknowns,
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  and so they always say
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  that one of the biggest tips
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  in fording water is to
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  walk it first if you can.
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  If you can walk through the water
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  and check the terrain first,
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  well generally it's gonna be safe
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  for you to ford it with your vehicle.
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  Now if you get into
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  deep water and it's like,
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  well crap, it's up past my knees
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  and I'm starting to lose footing
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  and I'm starting to get swept away,
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  well there's a chance
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  that your Jeep could,
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  unfortunately, get swept away too.
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  You reach a point of flotation,
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  you reach a point where you just
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  suddenly aren't
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  touching the ground anymore.
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  No, just the force of the water against
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  the side of the Jeep.
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  And the force of the water can absolutely
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  force you to lose the traction
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  and the grip that your
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  vehicle would otherwise have.
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  Yeah, even if you're not floating.
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  And if you're fording broadside,
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  you're fording broadside,
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  all that water pressure up
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  against the side of the Jeep,
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  that creates a lot of
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  force that unfortunately
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  you need to overcome with traction.
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  And if you don't have the
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  traction, well, you're screwed.
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  All right, so let's move
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  on from the YJ to the TJ,
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  and of course a lot of what
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  you've already said, Josh,
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  applies to this.
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  It's really just a difference in depth.
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  So the TJ is 20 inches
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  for the official rating,
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  not 20 to 24.
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  So the YJ actually has a
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  deeper official rating.
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  The practical safe depth
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  for the TJ is 15 to 20 inches.
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  So that's quite a bit
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  more for the safety,
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  12 to 18 for the YJ, 15 to 20 for the TJ.
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  You know what,
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  everybody's waiting for this.
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  So let's take a break on this discussion
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  and switch over to a
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  you, you
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  (beep)
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  if you're ready.
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  If you've got
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  something to talk about, Josh.
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  Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, absolutely.
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  And this week's installment of
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  (beep)
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  you, you
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  (beep)
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  Oregon is chock full of
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  (beep)
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  out here.
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  We have so many, it's not even funny.
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  And I think they're breeding them
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  in some underground
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  laboratory or something
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  because it just seems to be
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  getting thicker and thicker
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  and thicker out here.
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  So look, we all know that Jeeps can tow.
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  They can tow some things
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  and they can tow
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  certain things well enough,
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  but Jeeps are not what I
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  would consider a tow vehicle.
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  And there are people out here
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  who have their four door Jeep
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  and they think that they
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  can tow a large trailer.
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  No, look, for those who don't know,
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  just because you have a trailer hitch
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  doesn't mean that you
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  can hook anything up
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  to the trailer hitch
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  that you can hook up to it.
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  And so when I see a four door Wrangler
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  that might have a budget boost on it,
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  he might have some 33s on it.
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  He's obviously put a
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  little bit of money into it,
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  but just because you've
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  done some suspension upgrades
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  doesn't mean that your
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  Jeep is a capable tow rig.
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  This guy was towing a 24
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  foot at least travel trailer,
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  tandem axle travel
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  trailer behind this Jeep.
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  Now the Jeep itself is
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  only about what, 16, 18,
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  maybe 20 feet longer thereabouts.
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  The trailer plus the tongue
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  had to have been close to 30 feet.
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  Way more trailer than what that Jeep
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  should have been towing.
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  And this guy, I don't
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  think he knew what he was doing
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  because he was probably going way faster
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  than he should have been.
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  Because down the freeway,
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  his Jeep was doing this the entire time.
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  And it is like, he's
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  going to cause a wreck.
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  This was towing this trailer,
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  a trailer that he should not have ever
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  had behind that Jeep
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  down the freeway at speeds way faster
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  than he should have been traveling.
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  This is obviously somebody
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  who doesn't have any friends,
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  somebody who didn't
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  grow up with siblings,
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  somebody who has never
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  had anybody in their life
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  to smack them upside the head and say,
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  "You dumb, you shouldn't, you can't,
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  you're not supposed to do that."
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  So for this week's,
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  (beep)
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  you, you
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  (beep)
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  it is all of those who
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  out there who have a Jeep
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  and who think that just
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  because they have a class three
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  tow hitch on the back of their Jeep,
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  they can
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  (beep)
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  tow anything that they think they want to
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  or can hook up to it.
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  No, you can't, you
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  (beep)
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  you're going to kill somebody out there
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  trying to do some stupid
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  (beep)
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  So please for the love of God
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  and all that is holy out there,
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  if you have a Jeep,
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  please be aware of what you're towing,
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  the restrictions, the length, the weight,
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  and I mean, at least put a couple of
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  brain cells together
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  and educate yourself on
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  some proper towing techniques
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  of how to tow, what to tow,
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  when, how all the
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  techniques and improper instructions
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  and all this stuff that
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  you're supposed to be doing
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  when you're hooking up
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  anything to a trailer hitch.
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  Excellent.
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  I remember John Cleese on "Falty Towers"
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  and he'd be ranting
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  and he would stop and go,
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  "It just makes me so angry."
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  (laughing)
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  The rant reminds me of that.
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  Well, look, anytime
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  that I'm put in danger
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  because of somebody else's stupidity
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  or ignorance or something,
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  it gets under my skin a little bit
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  because it so easily
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  could have been avoided.
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  Yeah, I mean,
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  And like I've been-
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  Spend some time on YouTube
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  and learning a little
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  bit about towing a trailer
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  or the vehicle that
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  you shouldn't be using
• 14:41
  for what you're trying to do.
• 14:43
  So, I mean, everybody's stupid.
• 14:45
  Everybody's ignorant
• 14:46
  when they do something
• 14:47
  that the stupid ignorant thing
• 14:48
  is not asking a question or researching,
• 14:51
  especially these days
• 14:52
  with so much research
• 14:53
  available at our fingertips
• 14:55
  and even just from your phone.
• 14:57
  Well, look, I know a lot of people,
• 14:58
  they kind of balk or make
• 15:02
  fun of the YouTube certified,
• 15:05
  as it were, but to be honest,
• 15:08
  I would much rather be YouTube certified
• 15:10
  than being completely ignorant.
• 15:12
  Exactly.
• 15:13
  Because at least then you've
• 15:14
  got some level of education.
• 15:17
  And generally speaking,
• 15:20
  if you've got a
• 15:20
  little bit of common sense,
• 15:22
  what you get from YouTube,
• 15:23
  you can filter out the nonsense.
• 15:25
  You can gain the golden
• 15:27
  nuggets out of the education
• 15:29
  that they're trying to impart on you.
• 15:31
  And you can filter out the BS
• 15:33
  and actually get yourself
• 15:34
  some valuable information.
• 15:36
  But to just blindly go
• 15:38
  about things and say,
• 15:39
  "Well, this looks like
• 15:40
  I can hook it up to this
• 15:42
  and that should work okay."
• 15:43
  I've seen somebody do
• 15:44
  this on a Jeep before,
• 15:45
  I can do it, yeah.
• 15:46
  Right.
• 15:47
  All right.
• 15:48
  So let's jump over to our next rig,
• 15:51
  high water foraging, forwarding rig,
• 15:54
  the XJ, the Cherokee.
• 15:56
  So, and this is interesting.
• 15:59
  This is higher than what I anticipated.
• 16:01
  So the official rating for
• 16:03
  an XJ going through water
• 16:04
  is 20 to 24 inches.
• 16:07
  So this is the exact
• 16:08
  same depth of the YJ.
• 16:10
  Now we move over to
• 16:11
  the practical safe depth
• 16:13
  and it is 15 to 20
• 16:14
  inches, just like the TJ.
• 16:17
  So the XJ has quite a bit
• 16:18
  of depth available to it
• 16:20
  for trading through water.
• 16:23
  Now, this is probably gonna-
• 16:25
  You gotta think that the TJ and the XJ
• 16:31
  are not exactly very
• 16:33
  dissimilar on the front end,
• 16:35
  as far as where the motor is in relation-
• 16:37
  And the drive train is-
• 16:38
  Yeah, the drive train
• 16:39
  is essentially identical.
• 16:40
  Yeah, except for drive shaft.
• 16:41
  But the body is a lot different.
• 16:44
  Right, and that's where
• 16:45
  you get into a little bit
• 16:46
  of some interesting things.
• 16:48
  However, the relation
• 16:50
  of the engine to the axle
• 16:52
  where the intake is off of the ground
• 16:54
  is pretty much about the same,
• 16:56
  give or take a couple of few inches.
• 16:58
  But so that means as you
• 16:59
  enter the water and whatnot,
• 17:01
  that intake in its relation to the
• 17:04
  surface of the water
• 17:05
  is about the same from an XJ to a TJ.
• 17:08
  Right, but I still find it interesting
• 17:11
  because you just looking
• 17:12
  at it, you wouldn't expect,
• 17:14
  I mean, it's a station wagon.
• 17:15
  And the other one is
• 17:17
  quite clearly a Wrangler.
• 17:18
  So, but if you think about it,
• 17:21
  the sides of the TJ
• 17:22
  where the door fits into it,
• 17:24
  you've got about a four inch lip there.
• 17:26
  That's always fun
• 17:27
  trying to get your fat ass
• 17:29
  and your leg over that lip
• 17:31
  or forgetting it's there
• 17:32
  when you're getting out.
• 17:34
  That's why they call it a tub.
• 17:35
  Yeah, exactly.
• 17:37
  So that's kind of neat because
• 17:39
  that means you're less likely
• 17:40
  to get water in your TJ
• 17:42
  or YJ compared to your XJ.
• 17:45
  All right, so let's jump over to probably
• 17:47
  the more modern vehicle that
• 17:48
  most people are running still,
• 17:51
  which is the JK.
• 17:52
  And of course, this isn't just the JK.
• 17:55
  It's the JK and the JKU.
• 17:57
  So this is interesting.
• 17:59
  The JK, the official
• 18:02
  rating is 19 to 30 inches.
• 18:08
  That's substantially different.
• 18:11
  30 inches.
• 18:11
  Yeah.
• 18:13
  And the practical is 18 to 24 inches.
• 18:17
  So significantly more for the JK.
• 18:20
  Now I applaud the Jeep engineers
• 18:23
  because they have done a
• 18:25
  lot more height and clearances
• 18:29
  and a better approach
• 18:32
  and departure angle,
• 18:34
  starting with the JK.
• 18:36
  Now this is pretty cool.
• 18:39
  The JL, JLU, the
• 18:42
  official rating is 30 to 33.6.
• 18:46
  You gotta get the point six in there.
• 18:48
  33.6.
• 18:48
  Wow, that's a half inch.
• 18:50
  Oh man.
• 18:50
  That's a half foot.
• 18:51
  Yeah.
• 18:52
  And so the practical is up
• 18:56
  to 34 inches on some Rubicons,
• 19:00
  24 to 30 for being the practical.
• 19:03
  So quite a substantial difference.
• 19:05
  If you are in a modern day Wrangler,
• 19:08
  then you are driving
• 19:09
  around with something
• 19:10
  that you can go through
• 19:11
  a hell of a lot of water,
• 19:13
  very deep water.
• 19:15
  And I wish I had a line on here for how,
• 19:17
  what's it gonna be when
• 19:18
  you get water in the vehicle,
• 19:21
  which isn't a major deal if
• 19:22
  you've done prepared for it.
• 19:28
  That's the thing right there.
• 19:30
  And honestly, these numbers reflect
• 19:33
  what a stock vehicle is capable of.
• 19:37
  Now this is stock off the showroom floor
• 19:39
  without any lift modifications,
• 19:41
  any suspension
• 19:42
  modifications, without larger tires,
• 19:44
  without like a snorkel.
• 19:47
  Once you start adding in the aftermarket,
• 19:49
  these numbers start
• 19:50
  increasing dramatically.
• 19:52
  And honestly, that's one of
• 19:54
  your biggest restrictions.
• 19:55
  Outside of flotation is going to end.
• 19:58
  And of course, you're
• 19:59
  gonna water intrusion
• 20:00
  is going to be sucking the
• 20:02
  water in through the intake.
• 20:04
  And that's gonna create a
• 20:05
  condition called hydrolock.
• 20:07
  Water cannot be compressed like air can
• 20:10
  or any other kind of gas.
• 20:12
  And some fluids can even be compressed,
• 20:14
  but water can't be compressed.
• 20:15
  And so when that gets into your engine
• 20:18
  and those pistons try and
• 20:19
  compress that air fuel mixture,
• 20:21
  well, there's water in there.
• 20:23
  And when it can't compress,
• 20:24
  well, that's when you start bending rods
• 20:26
  and blowing pistons and--
• 20:28
  It's hydrolics 101.
• 20:30
  It's basically a hydrolock.
• 20:31
  Grenading your valve train.
• 20:32
  Yeah, so honestly,
• 20:34
  getting into deep water
• 20:35
  isn't necessarily the worst thing.
• 20:37
  It's getting into that deep water
• 20:39
  and sucking it into the engine.
• 20:41
  That's when you end up
• 20:43
  doing severe motor damage.
• 20:45
  You end up stalling out
• 20:46
  the engine if nothing else.
• 20:48
  And at that point, you're
• 20:50
  quote unquote dead in the water.
• 20:51
  Oh yeah, and you don't
• 20:52
  wanna try to restart it either.
• 20:54
  And by the way, if you're
• 20:56
  sitting in the water nice and calm
• 20:58
  and you stop the
• 21:01
  engine or the engine stops,
• 21:03
  that water may not come
• 21:04
  in through the snorkel.
• 21:05
  It may be sucked up the tailpipe.
• 21:08
  And that will give you the engine.
• 21:10
  Yeah, because as soon as
• 21:11
  you lose that engine pressure,
• 21:13
  there's no longer positive
• 21:15
  pressure through the exhaust
• 21:17
  pushing out the water.
• 21:18
  It's going to be now just static pressure
• 21:21
  and water's gonna come
• 21:22
  right back in through
• 21:23
  because your exhaust
• 21:24
  isn't what I would call
• 21:24
  an airtight system.
• 21:26
  I mean, sure, it's relatively
• 21:27
  sealed, but it's not airtight.
• 21:30
  So that water is gonna come in.
• 21:32
  It's gonna go through your exhaust.
• 21:34
  It's gonna go through your muffler,
• 21:35
  through the catalytic
• 21:36
  converter, all the way up.
• 21:38
  And it could even
• 21:38
  reach up past the headers
• 21:40
  if you're in that deep of water.
• 21:42
  Right.
• 21:43
  So we'll jump over to our final Jeep
• 21:45
  that we're gonna be talking about.
• 21:46
  And it's the JT Gladiator.
• 21:50
  It's funny, Grock
• 21:51
  actually says like yours
• 21:52
  because I was talking
• 21:53
  to it about this stuff.
• 21:54
  But anyway-
• 21:56
  He was trying to keep you happy.
• 21:57
  That's right.
• 21:58
  Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 21:59
  The official rating is 30 to 31.5.
• 22:04
  That compared to the JL,
• 22:07
  which is basically the
• 22:08
  same rig without a bed,
• 22:10
  was 30 to 33, 33.6.
• 22:13
  So this is about two
• 22:15
  inches less than that.
• 22:17
  So the practical is 24 to 30.
• 22:20
  So it's actually about
• 22:21
  the same arena as the XJ
• 22:24
  and some of the other ones.
• 22:26
  But-
• 22:27
  Why would you think that
• 22:27
  with as many similarities
• 22:29
  as there are between the JL and the JT,
• 22:32
  what would you
• 22:33
  contribute to the difference
• 22:35
  in forwarding numbers?
• 22:37
  The only thing that comes to mind is
• 22:39
  the JT has a bed.
• 22:42
  And if you're gonna haul things,
• 22:44
  you wanna be able to
• 22:45
  get stuff up in the bed.
• 22:47
  So it may be overall lower
• 22:49
  simply because having
• 22:51
  the bed six feet in the air
• 22:53
  is not as easy to use it as a truck.
• 22:56
  That's the only thing I'm gonna-
• 22:58
  I'm gonna-
• 22:59
  I think you're onto something,
• 23:01
  but I'm gonna elaborate on that
• 23:03
  in that most trucks
• 23:05
  will have a forward bias-
• 23:07
  It has a right click.
• 23:08
  On their,
• 23:09
  because as you load that bed,
• 23:11
  it's going to balance the truck out.
• 23:13
  And so you've got that
• 23:15
  forward rake just a little bit.
• 23:17
  It's not, you know,
• 23:18
  we're not talking, you know,
• 23:19
  70s hot rod rake here,
• 23:20
  but it's enough to drop that front end,
• 23:24
  that extra answer two inches
• 23:26
  to make it a difference in variance
• 23:28
  between forwarding depth.
• 23:29
  And all that really is considering
• 23:31
  is where the intake is
• 23:32
  in relation to the ground.
• 23:34
  That intake then is
• 23:35
  sitting a couple of inches lower.
• 23:37
  And that's what is,
• 23:38
  that water is gonna get up
• 23:40
  those couple of more inches.
• 23:41
  Well, that's what's
• 23:42
  gonna suck into the motor.
• 23:43
  And that's what's gonna make you
• 23:44
  have a no good, very bad day.
• 23:46
  Yeah.
• 23:46
  So you mentioned a snorkel earlier
• 23:48
  and to me it just,
• 23:50
  it seems to be a no brainer
• 23:53
  that you put a snorkel on a Jeep,
• 23:55
  even if you don't do water crossings,
• 23:58
  why in the world would
• 23:59
  you wanna have a situation
• 24:00
  where you could put a
• 24:01
  snorkel on the Jeep?
• 24:02
  And then even if you
• 24:03
  didn't do all the work
• 24:05
  about hooking up the diff breather hoses
• 24:10
  and the transmission
• 24:12
  and then all that work
• 24:13
  so that they're all
• 24:14
  feeding off the snorkel,
• 24:15
  even if you didn't do that,
• 24:18
  I mean, you could ruin a transmission,
• 24:19
  you could get a nice pudding,
• 24:22
  chocolate pudding in your differential,
• 24:24
  but if it can get you,
• 24:25
  yeah, if it can get
• 24:26
  you out of the high water
• 24:28
  and save your Jeep and your life
• 24:30
  and doesn't destroy the engine,
• 24:32
  why don't you do it?
• 24:34
  But there's a lot of people
• 24:35
  that hate, absolutely hate snorkels
• 24:39
  and they will let you know
• 24:41
  when you put a snorkel on,
• 24:43
  they'll start quoting the same stuff I
• 24:45
  was mentioning about,
• 24:46
  oh yeah, you got a snorkel,
• 24:47
  but what else did you hook up this?
• 24:49
  Did you hook up that?
• 24:49
  And it's like, no,
• 24:50
  they're just trying to find a way
• 24:52
  to tell you you're an idiot
• 24:53
  for putting a snorkel on there.
• 24:55
  Well, I guarantee you,
• 24:56
  it's a lot easier to
• 24:57
  drain the differentials
• 24:59
  to get the banana pudding out,
• 25:01
  oh, banana pudding, the
• 25:02
  chocolate pudding out,
• 25:03
  or have the transmission rebuilt
• 25:05
  than it is to replace the engine
• 25:07
  that you've
• 25:08
  hydro-locked and broken things.
• 25:11
  Engine's gonna be a lot more expensive.
• 25:13
  So I don't know, Josh,
• 25:16
  are you anti-snorkel?
• 25:18
  No, absolutely not.
• 25:20
  But a lot of people are
• 25:21
  miseducated about snorkels
• 25:23
  and they think that the only thing
• 25:27
  that a snorkel is good for
• 25:28
  is for driving your
• 25:29
  Jeep through deep water.
• 25:31
  And in fact, there are
• 25:32
  several other benefits.
• 25:35
  There are several other
• 25:36
  benefits to a snorkel,
• 25:38
  not the least of which is getting the air
• 25:41
  moving into your
• 25:42
  engine a little bit easier
• 25:44
  and you're actually
• 25:44
  gonna be pulling cooler air
• 25:48
  than from the stock intake,
• 25:50
  or even from what they
• 25:51
  consider a cold air intake,
• 25:53
  or one of those
• 25:55
  aftermarket filter systems
• 25:57
  where you put the
• 25:57
  little box in the corner,
• 25:58
  you've got one of those high flow filters
• 26:00
  and everything like that.
• 26:01
  Those are all fine and dandy.
• 26:02
  They will move more
• 26:03
  air through the system
• 26:05
  than a stock intake will.
• 26:06
  However, you're pulling that air
• 26:08
  from the engine compartment.
• 26:10
  I don't know about you,
• 26:11
  but the last time you ever ran an engine,
• 26:13
  go ahead and slap your hand
• 26:14
  on the side of that block.
• 26:16
  Let me tell ya, is that cool?
• 26:17
  Just on the hood. Absolutely not.
• 26:19
  It's over 200 degrees in there.
• 26:20
  Right, the air temperature
• 26:23
  inside your engine compartment
• 26:24
  is in the hundreds of degrees, okay?
• 26:27
  And can actually exceed that quite a bit
• 26:30
  on hot days.
• 26:31
  Asphalt can be 160,
• 26:32
  180 degrees on a hot day.
• 26:34
  You get all that radiant heat coming up.
• 26:37
  You're in stop and go
• 26:38
  traffic or whatever,
• 26:39
  even sitting on the trail.
• 26:40
  You're in four low, doing
• 26:41
  two and a half miles an hour,
• 26:43
  going up the logging road, okay?
• 26:44
  There's a lot of heat coming up off the
• 26:46
  ground, nonetheless.
• 26:47
  So you get that intake up
• 26:49
  out of the engine compartment,
• 26:50
  now you're pulling in fresh, cool air.
• 26:53
  Yeah, yeah, okay, it's
• 26:54
  ambient air temperature.
• 26:56
  Let's say it's 97 degrees that day.
• 26:58
  Okay, I'll take 97 degree air,
• 27:00
  over 180 degree air out
• 27:02
  of the engine compartment
• 27:03
  any day of the week, and the
• 27:04
  engine was going to love it.
• 27:06
  So the cooler the air
• 27:08
  is, the more dense it is.
• 27:09
  The hotter the air is, the
• 27:11
  more moisture it contains in it,
• 27:12
  and the less dense it is.
• 27:14
  The more density you have in your air,
• 27:16
  the more efficient
• 27:17
  the engine's gonna run,
• 27:18
  the more power you're going to make,
• 27:20
  and the more fun you're gonna have.
• 27:21
  So not to mention the
• 27:23
  safety aspects of water fording
• 27:25
  that the snorkel is going to give you,
• 27:26
  it's going to help you as
• 27:28
  far as engine efficiency
• 27:29
  and performance as well.
• 27:31
  Yeah, no, it's like a no brainer.
• 27:33
  And by the way, the snorkel
• 27:35
  was invented in Australia,
• 27:37
  and it was invented to get
• 27:38
  the air above all of the dirt
• 27:41
  and stuff, like if you're
• 27:42
  on a trail in the outback,
• 27:44
  and it's cleaner air, and
• 27:46
  then you have the cooler air,
• 27:47
  all that stuff.
• 27:48
  So I absolutely recommend putting a
• 27:51
  snorkel on your Jeep.
• 27:52
  The XJ has a snorkel,
• 27:54
  the JT has a snorkel,
• 27:56
  the TJ, no, but it's not that expensive.
• 28:00
  You can self install,
• 28:02
  and it's a great safety thing to have,
• 28:04
  and absolutely hook up all the lines
• 28:06
  to everything you got.
• 28:08
  Hell, run a line into the cab
• 28:09
  so you can suck off
• 28:10
  the air, off the snorkel.
• 28:13
  It might taste funny, but there you go.
• 28:15
  It's funny you mentioned this.
• 28:16
  So on my XJ, I've done a cowl induction
• 28:21
  intake modification.
• 28:23
  And so when I'm,
• 28:24
  especially in the startup period,
• 28:27
  when the idle air control valve
• 28:29
  is sort of choking
• 28:30
  the engine a little bit,
• 28:32
  it's drawn air restriction through that.
• 28:37
  And you're able to
• 28:43
  hear it inside the cab,
• 28:45
  almost as if the intake
• 28:46
  was inside the cab itself.
• 28:48
  Oh, it's very loud,
• 28:49
  but the cowl induction's
• 28:50
  a good idea.
• 28:51
  I like those motor noises,
• 28:53
  turbo noises, things like that,
• 28:54
  even though I don't
• 28:55
  have a turbo on the Jeep.
• 28:56
  But yeah, all those
• 28:57
  motor sounds, love it.
• 28:59
  That's a great idea,
• 29:00
  and it's higher than the air box too.
• 29:03
  So it's not a bad idea,
• 29:05
  and you're getting actual cooler air
• 29:07
  than what's in the engine department.
• 29:10
  (upbeat music)
• 29:12
  All right, let's start with Steve O.
• 29:14
  Steve O, have you ever
• 29:16
  done any high water treading?
• 29:19
  Yes, and I lost an engine to it.
• 29:21
  Oh, that's right, I forgot about that.
• 29:23
  Hydro lock.
• 29:25
  Yeah, was in the badlands
• 29:28
  and hit a hole way too deep
• 29:31
  that I did not realize was that deep.
• 29:34
  I went side by side
• 29:35
  through towards the tooth
• 29:36
  and tore through there and dug it up.
• 29:38
  So.
• 29:39
  Well, that's kind of the
• 29:39
  danger of high water, right?
• 29:41
  Because you can't see the bottom,
• 29:42
  you don't know how deep it is.
• 29:44
  Well, part of the-- That's an excuse.
• 29:45
  Their motor's a foot and
• 29:46
  a half lower than yours.
• 29:48
  Well, the problem was it was
• 29:50
  when I was being pulled out
• 29:51
  that it happened,
• 29:52
  because I was so far
• 29:53
  on the passenger side,
• 29:55
  I didn't wanna rip the fender off.
• 29:57
  So I steered passenger,
• 29:59
  which made the Jeep move
• 30:00
  further into the water,
• 30:02
  instead of trying to ride
• 30:04
  the side of the hill out,
• 30:05
  which was where the air box is.
• 30:07
  It was after I got out that
• 30:08
  I started having problems.
• 30:12
  Other than not going into the water
• 30:14
  that you couldn't tell how deep it was,
• 30:16
  would you have anything different?
• 30:19
  Yeah, I would've let Dan go first.
• 30:23
  (laughing)
• 30:24
  No, it's one of those
• 30:25
  things that was just wasn't,
• 30:27
  it did not look as deep as it was,
• 30:29
  and it was just one of those,
• 30:31
  should've checked first, go around, so.
• 30:33
  Yeah, walked it, I
• 30:35
  guess, that's what you--
• 30:36
  But even, I did my XJ, we had
• 30:39
  flooding up here in the past,
• 30:40
  and it's kind of funny,
• 30:42
  because the roads are blocked off
• 30:43
  and people are just sitting in the stand,
• 30:44
  and then I just drive right through.
• 30:46
  But I also make sure that everything
• 30:48
  around here is curbs.
• 30:49
  I made sure you got one
• 30:50
  side up on the curbs, right?
• 30:51
  So that way I could
• 30:53
  navigate through a little better
• 30:54
  just in case, so.
• 30:55
  But it isn't
• 30:56
  necessarily a thing sometimes
• 30:57
  when we get some pretty
• 30:58
  good flooding out here.
• 31:01
  All right, how about you, John Lee?
• 31:03
  Have you been through any
• 31:04
  high water with your Jeep,
• 31:05
  or any Jeep?
• 31:07
  Turnaround, don't drown.
• 31:10
  I don't really mess with water.
• 31:11
  One of the things that we
• 31:13
  do have here in Central Texas
• 31:14
  is flash flooding,
• 31:16
  which I know you've got it
• 31:17
  in other places as well,
• 31:18
  but that's one of our biggest things.
• 31:20
  Sometimes it's not how deep the water is,
• 31:22
  how fast it's moving.
• 31:23
  And if you can see it, if
• 31:24
  you can see it curbs in there,
• 31:26
  there's too much to go in it, right?
• 31:27
  So, I mean, it doesn't take much,
• 31:29
  but like a foot of water, if that,
• 31:31
  at a high current can
• 31:32
  start moving you around.
• 31:34
  So I typically don't play with it.
• 31:36
  Like if I come up on
• 31:37
  something that's blocking the way,
• 31:41
  I will try my best to
• 31:42
  find another way around,
• 31:43
  if at all possible, if we can.
• 31:45
  That's where lights can
• 31:46
  actually be a big help
• 31:47
  if it's at night,
• 31:48
  to try to use them to see how deep it is,
• 31:50
  even that can't be exactly accurate.
• 31:53
  But yeah, typically I
• 31:56
  take it slow if I have to go.
• 31:58
  I take it very slow,
• 31:59
  don't try to have a bow wake.
• 32:01
  A bow wave, I try to
• 32:04
  inch my way through there.
• 32:06
  But yeah, I typically try
• 32:09
  to avoid it at all costs,
• 32:11
  if I can't.
• 32:12
  So I've seen so many, I mean,
• 32:14
  we've had school buses swept away here.
• 32:17
  Oh sure, yeah.
• 32:18
  Well, any flat surface,
• 32:19
  especially a large flat surface,
• 32:22
  water can exert quite a bit of pressure.
• 32:26
  I just thought of it.
• 32:29
  You were talking about lights
• 32:29
  and seeing how deep things are.
• 32:31
  I've never gone through any
• 32:32
  high water in the gladiator
• 32:34
  since I've got the
• 32:36
  Gatekeeper knuckle pods.
• 32:38
  I've got some lights that are way low.
• 32:41
  I guess it would probably be,
• 32:43
  if I was in about a foot of water,
• 32:45
  I probably could, those lights probably
• 32:46
  would be underwater.
• 32:47
  It would be interesting to see
• 32:48
  if that would make any difference
• 32:50
  in being able to tell
• 32:51
  how deep the water is.
• 32:52
  I usually just look at the median,
• 32:55
  especially if I'm
• 32:56
  driving by it every day.
• 32:57
  And if I see the median
• 32:58
  and see how far up the
• 32:59
  water is on the median,
• 33:01
  I have a good idea of
• 33:03
  how deep the water is.
• 33:04
  All right, how about you, Rick?
• 33:06
  Have you ever gone through
• 33:07
  high water with your Jeep?
• 33:09
  He forgot Kevin.
• 33:11
  No, Rick didn't go
• 33:12
  through, he went under.
• 33:14
  (laughing) Submarine commander.
• 33:19
  Yeah, I've been in some high water, yeah.
• 33:23
  High water and high water.
• 33:24
  Yeah, I went in some high water, yeah.
• 33:26
  Went to breakfast one day
• 33:29
  and next thing I know I'm up
• 33:31
  to my grab handles in water.
• 33:34
  But yeah, lessons
• 33:36
  learned, like Steve Oles said,
• 33:38
  is check it out
• 33:39
  before you do it, for sure.
• 33:42
  You know, me, I'm not gonna
• 33:44
  be the first one down there,
• 33:45
  that's for sure, I'll go a second.
• 33:48
  Or if it's, you know, if
• 33:50
  it's one of the situations
• 33:51
  where you just gotta do,
• 33:52
  where you feel like you gotta cross,
• 33:54
  then I'm waiting across first.
• 33:56
  And for me, it really
• 33:58
  wasn't the water that was so bad,
• 34:02
  it was the cleanup of all
• 34:04
  the sand and gravel afterwards.
• 34:06
  For probably a month,
• 34:09
  five weeks afterwards,
• 34:11
  every time I would hit a bump,
• 34:13
  sand and gravel would
• 34:14
  rain down out of my dash
• 34:17
  under, you know, on my
• 34:18
  feet and in the full board.
• 34:20
  And to the point to where finally I just,
• 34:24
  I decided, well, you know,
• 34:26
  only way this is ever gonna stop,
• 34:28
  I've just gotta take
• 34:29
  this whole thing apart
• 34:30
  and clean all that out of there.
• 34:32
  And that's what I did.
• 34:33
  I stripped it all the way,
• 34:34
  I stripped the interior all
• 34:35
  the way down and, you know.
• 34:38
  Of course I had water
• 34:40
  and all of my fluids
• 34:41
  except for my engine oil.
• 34:42
  I did not have water in my engine oil,
• 34:44
  which was, you know, kinda interesting.
• 34:48
  But anybody, you know,
• 34:50
  anybody wants to see the video,
• 34:52
  the Adventures of Micro Jeep on YouTube
• 34:56
  and you can watch the whole thing.
• 34:58
  I've got a couple
• 34:59
  different videos up there,
• 35:00
  one of the actual from my dash.
• 35:02
  I have my phone mounted on the dash
• 35:04
  and I wish I'd had,
• 35:07
  we had just went to another Jeep trip
• 35:09
  like the week before.
• 35:10
  So I pulled the micro
• 35:12
  disc out of my dash cam
• 35:16
  or I would have had a
• 35:17
  whole lot more video
• 35:19
  or some really good
• 35:20
  video, especially the recovery.
• 35:22
  You know, the recovery with that,
• 35:24
  you know, I just heard a story.
• 35:28
  I don't even remember
• 35:30
  who I was talking to,
• 35:31
  but I just heard a
• 35:32
  story about a guy that,
• 35:33
  their vehicle got, you know,
• 35:37
  it was right up to the breather box.
• 35:40
  And if they could have got
• 35:42
  their vehicle out of the water,
• 35:43
  then they probably would have been okay.
• 35:46
  But their winch was underwater
• 35:48
  and it would not work underwater.
• 35:51
  Whatever winch it was
• 35:52
  that they had underwater.
• 35:54
  You know, and I've got the,
• 35:55
  I've got the Harbor Freight
• 35:56
  Badlands, you know, 12,000.
• 35:59
  I mean, I credit that
• 36:01
  winch for saving my Jeep
• 36:02
  because while I was sitting there,
• 36:04
  literally up to the
• 36:05
  grab handles underwater,
• 36:06
  I was thinking the
• 36:06
  whole time in my brain,
• 36:08
  I could picture every little pin hole,
• 36:10
  every little place where
• 36:12
  water was squirting into,
• 36:14
  to the motor and the transmission and
• 36:16
  everywhere, you know,
• 36:17
  and I'm thinking, oh man,
• 36:18
  this is just sitting
• 36:20
  here, ruining my Jeep.
• 36:22
  And by the time the engine died,
• 36:25
  when the water got up
• 36:26
  in the dash, I thought,
• 36:27
  well, looks like I'm
• 36:28
  going to be doing an LS swap
• 36:30
  a lot sooner than I thought.
• 36:32
  What's amazing is how
• 36:34
  your battery didn't short out
• 36:35
  to drive that winch.
• 36:37
  No, the battery, you
• 36:39
  know, all of that worked fine.
• 36:41
  You know, I mean, it was
• 36:43
  pretty amazing that that Jeep
• 36:47
  did, you know, everything
• 36:48
  that we went through that day,
• 36:49
  you know, we got it up, you know, it was,
• 36:53
  I want to say it was 65,
• 36:55
  75 yards to get it back
• 36:57
  to the sand bar where
• 36:59
  everybody else was on high ground.
• 37:02
  And once we got it back
• 37:03
  there and I'm using my winch,
• 37:05
  and then, you know, there's another guy
• 37:07
  that's using his winch and
• 37:09
  he's letting his cable out
• 37:10
  as far as it would go.
• 37:11
  He came as far as he dared to get cold.
• 37:14
  He was kind of scared, I don't know why,
• 37:17
  but he was kind of scared
• 37:18
  to get all the way out there.
• 37:19
  So I let my cable all the
• 37:21
  way out and we were winching,
• 37:22
  you know, both of our, you know,
• 37:24
  we was winching myself to him.
• 37:26
  And by the time of
• 37:27
  doing that several times,
• 37:29
  you know, it run my battery down.
• 37:32
  And so we got it up there
• 37:34
  and we pulled the spark plugs,
• 37:37
  had some, you know, I was
• 37:38
  pretty new to Jeep and still.
• 37:40
  So I was learning as, you
• 37:41
  know, I'm learning the whole,
• 37:42
  you know, the whole time
• 37:43
  I'm learning what's going on.
• 37:44
  And one of the guys there,
• 37:47
  one of my good Jeep buddies,
• 37:48
  he's like, he's like, "Oh,"
• 37:51
  and so he started pulling spark plugs
• 37:53
  and then we cycled the starter
• 37:55
  and squirted water out of one and two.
• 37:58
  And then we put it all back together,
• 38:01
  wouldn't start, wouldn't start.
• 38:03
  And then it dawned on us, you know,
• 38:05
  we pretty much run the
• 38:06
  battery down from all the winching.
• 38:09
  So we hooked up to another Jeep,
• 38:12
  sat there for about 15 minutes.
• 38:13
  And then when I hit that
• 38:15
  starter, man, that thing roared.
• 38:17
  I mean, it shot water like
• 38:19
  out the, out the exhaust way,
• 38:21
  you know, just like a cannon
• 38:23
  out the back of that thing.
• 38:24
  And it's pretty crazy, but, you know,
• 38:28
  drove the thing home 45
• 38:29
  minutes, drove it home from that.
• 38:31
  And then, and then the little,
• 38:33
  little Jeep impressed me so much.
• 38:35
  I just like, you know, I just
• 38:36
  can't get rid of this thing.
• 38:37
  This is, you know, just,
• 38:39
  you know, I don't know, just,
• 38:42
  I think that, that event
• 38:43
  probably connected me more
• 38:44
  to that Jeep than, you
• 38:46
  know, I'd want to admit,
• 38:47
  but, you know, just
• 38:48
  kind of got a soft spot now
• 38:50
  for that Jeep, so.
• 38:51
  And I don't think
• 38:52
  anybody here has a snorkel
• 38:54
  and you're doing quite a
• 38:55
  bit of work to your Jeep.
• 38:57
  Is a snorkel in the plans?
• 38:59
  Well, I usually, when all that happened,
• 39:01
  I had a snorkel.
• 39:02
  Oh, okay.
• 39:03
  Yeah, yep, had a snorkel.
• 39:05
  And, and, and probably
• 39:06
  gave me a little bit of a,
• 39:07
  you know, false sense of security,
• 39:10
  because up till then we'd
• 39:11
  been doing the high water trail
• 39:13
  down there in, in Arkansas.
• 39:14
  And I don't know how many river crossings
• 39:17
  I'd done by that time.
• 39:18
  And, you know, what the thing was,
• 39:19
  is I was always following other Jeeps,
• 39:21
  even though, you know, water, I mean,
• 39:23
  there's a couple of
• 39:23
  times where water got up
• 39:25
  to the top of my headlights, you know,
• 39:26
  and, and just pushed right through it.
• 39:29
  And, you know, everything
• 39:30
  was okay, but, you know,
• 39:33
  that, that day I just
• 39:34
  got, there was a washout
• 39:35
  that we weren't aware of.
• 39:37
  And boy, I hit that,
• 39:38
  that washout and just,
• 39:40
  well, it just went down in the water
• 39:42
  and it didn't pop back
• 39:43
  up on the other side,
• 39:44
  like I was hoping it would.
• 39:46
  And, uh,
• 39:47
  Well, I'm glad you were
• 39:47
  able to get through there
• 39:48
  and maintain the Jeep.
• 39:50
  I'm impressed that
• 39:52
  you're able to drive it home
• 39:53
  because that's a, that's a lot of water.
• 39:55
  All right, Kevin, Kevin's muted.
• 39:58
  Hopefully he can jump in here.
• 40:00
  Kevin, have you gone through some,
• 40:02
  some high water in your Jeep?
• 40:04
  I have, I've done some
• 40:06
  crossings and some trail
• 40:09
  through passes that collect water.
• 40:14
  The main one that comes to
• 40:15
  mind is I had a river crossing
• 40:16
  where when I dropped in,
• 40:17
  I actually lawn guarded my
• 40:19
  bull bar on my front bumper
• 40:21
  into the bottom of the crossing.
• 40:24
  And if anyone isn't familiar,
• 40:26
  a bull bar is like a short,
• 40:30
  what's the big long ones?
• 40:31
  The, uh,
• 40:32
  Stingers?
• 40:33
  Stingers, yeah.
• 40:34
  So it's like a short stinger.
• 40:36
  It only comes about halfway up my grill.
• 40:38
  And I stuck it into the dirt in the
• 40:41
  bottom of the crossing
• 40:43
  and had to push through to get it out.
• 40:46
  So I would say the water
• 40:47
  was probably about three,
• 40:49
  three and a half feet.
• 40:50
  It was, you know, at my, I'm on 37s.
• 40:53
  I'm a TJ with orange lift.
• 40:54
  And it was at my door seals
• 40:57
  as I was crossing.
• 40:58
  So when I stuck the motor
• 41:00
  in, I stuck it fairly deep.
• 41:03
  And then the trail
• 41:05
  came up after I crossed,
• 41:07
  came up around the bend and
• 41:08
  went through another crossing
• 41:09
  where water was above
• 41:11
  the door seal on my side.
• 41:13
  But luckily my air intake
• 41:15
  box is on the passenger side
• 41:17
  and that side was higher.
• 41:19
  So I didn't have to
• 41:19
  deal with any of that.
• 41:22
  I have been one of the, I'll say local,
• 41:25
  cause it's about three hours away.
• 41:27
  Or local parks has a "that
• 41:30
  has bought more than a few JKs
• 41:34
  because people have hit it.
• 41:36
  And it's about a four foot deep hole
• 41:39
  and people don't realize it.
• 41:40
  Even there, there's a sign there.
• 41:43
  And we've pulled people out of that,
• 41:44
  then crossed them motors
• 41:46
  where the air box was dry
• 41:47
  when we pulled them out.
• 41:48
  But when they shut the motor off,
• 41:50
  water came up the exhaust.
• 41:52
  So that's something you
• 41:53
  do have to worry about.
• 41:57
  And then something I
• 41:58
  experienced this past weekend,
• 42:00
  I went and tubed on the Guadalupe.
• 42:02
  So I was down in
• 42:03
  John's neck of the woods,
• 42:06
  a little south of him in New Braunspools.
• 42:08
  And we got about a half
• 42:10
  inch of rain one night,
• 42:11
  which doesn't sound like a lot,
• 42:14
  but the float from the day
• 42:16
  before to the day after the rain
• 42:18
  was a completely
• 42:18
  different float in the river.
• 42:20
  So a half inch of rain
• 42:22
  will make a huge difference
• 42:24
  on flow like John was
• 42:25
  talking about earlier
• 42:27
  for the current that
• 42:28
  can make a difference.
• 42:29
  So that's something you
• 42:30
  really gotta consider.
• 42:31
  Like if you're doing this,
• 42:32
  like trying to get out of somewhere,
• 42:34
  a half inch of rain actually
• 42:35
  does make a huge difference
• 42:37
  in the flow of water.
• 42:41
  Well, it's really not
• 42:41
  a half inch of rain.
• 42:42
  It's all the water,
• 42:43
  that half inch everywhere it's falling.
• 42:45
  And especially if it
• 42:46
  collects in a lower area.
• 42:48
  Yeah, it's the accumulation
• 42:50
  of that half inch of rain everywhere.
• 42:52
  Yeah, it's a good thing
• 42:53
  for people to keep in mind
• 42:54
  whenever you're out
• 42:55
  running around and you go,
• 42:56
  well, this doesn't flood.
• 42:57
  Well, it can,
• 42:58
  this depends on how
• 43:00
  saturated the ground is
• 43:01
  and how much it rained various places,
• 43:05
  especially those flash
• 43:06
  floods that can occur.
• 43:09
  So now what Jeep are
• 43:11
  you talking about, Kevin?
• 43:13
  What Jeep did you do this in?
• 43:15
  I was in my TJ on the
• 43:17
  stuff that I was doing,
• 43:18
  which is on a four inch lift on 37s.
• 43:22
  And so my Jeep sits fairly high,
• 43:26
  I would say because of the TJ platform,
• 43:30
  like you don't have to be as tall as I am
• 43:32
  in a JK or a JL for 37s.
• 43:36
  Right.
• 43:37
  And I'm on stock actual,
• 43:39
  so they're still fairly narrow.
• 43:41
  So I do sit higher to
• 43:43
  be able to fit that.
• 43:44
  And when I stuck the
• 43:46
  bull bar in the dirt,
• 43:48
  I would say that water was probably,
• 43:52
  about halfway up my hood with me facing,
• 43:57
  down into the water.
• 43:58
  Scary, that's scary.
• 44:00
  So, and when I pulled into it,
• 44:02
  where I dropped in,
• 44:03
  like I'd watched a few
• 44:04
  other people go through
• 44:06
  and I was like, well, where we're at,
• 44:07
  it doesn't look like that bad.
• 44:08
  And the banks had all been like fairly,
• 44:13
  the angle of entrance
• 44:14
  didn't look that bad.
• 44:15
  So where I was at, I was like,
• 44:16
  well, it's probably pretty similar.
• 44:18
  And it was not,
• 44:19
  almost a dead drop.
• 44:21
  Like I legitimately
• 44:22
  long darted the front end
• 44:23
  into the ground.
• 44:26
  The ground, it
• 44:28
  dropped out in front of you.
• 44:29
  That's the danger of going through water,
• 44:31
  especially if you don't
• 44:32
  have any kind of markers
• 44:33
  or anything that you can kind of tell.
• 44:35
  Roger, have you ever done
• 44:36
  any high water crossing?
• 44:39
  We did some stuff,
• 44:40
  I was like four years ago,
• 44:41
  we were out in Moab when
• 44:44
  it was the rainy season.
• 44:46
  And we were down on a white river trail
• 44:48
  and there was a couple of spots
• 44:51
  where the trail had flooded over
• 44:53
  and the first one we came to,
• 44:56
  or it looked pretty deep,
• 44:58
  but I hit it a little faster
• 45:00
  and I should have just
• 45:01
  basically turned my engine bay red.
• 45:04
  And then we got to the next one
• 45:06
  and I decided it would be a better idea
• 45:08
  to go out there with the stick
• 45:09
  and poke and broad, see
• 45:12
  how deep it really was.
• 45:13
  And come to find out out there,
• 45:14
  all the ground's so fricking hard that,
• 45:16
  you know, I always really had to do is
• 45:18
  just crawl through it,
• 45:19
  it had been fine,
• 45:20
  but never gotten anything really super,
• 45:23
  super deep, I guess.
• 45:26
  Very good.
• 45:27
  That was probably the only,
• 45:28
  maybe a foot and a half, two feet deep.
• 45:30
  Yep, very good.
• 45:32
  Do you guys kind of
• 45:33
  keep up with what your,
• 45:35
  you're like your
• 45:36
  maximum of depth you can be
• 45:37
  before it's gonna come into the doors?
• 45:40
  It sounds like Kevin didn't care.
• 45:43
  I think Rick may not
• 45:44
  care after experiencing it,
• 45:46
  but I always kind of like to know
• 45:48
  what the distance between the ground
• 45:50
  and the bottom of my Jeep is.
• 45:52
  And I figure if I keep it in water
• 45:54
  that is no deeper than that,
• 45:57
  I shouldn't worry about
• 45:58
  getting the carpet wet.
• 46:00
  Well, I know my door seals are,
• 46:02
  I would say real quick three feet,
• 46:04
  they're about the
• 46:04
  same height as my waist.
• 46:06
  So I know that's, you know, I'm six foot.
• 46:09
  So roughly my waist.
• 46:12
  When I was watching the people
• 46:14
  that were going
• 46:14
  through it in front of me,
• 46:16
  they were also in TJ's
• 46:17
  of very similar builds.
• 46:20
  Where I went into that
• 46:21
  water and I long darted
• 46:23
  was just a bad entrance.
• 46:24
  Everybody else went in and I wasn't that,
• 46:26
  I was like 10 feet to the
• 46:27
  right of where they were dropping
• 46:28
  in and where I looked in,
• 46:30
  it looked completely
• 46:32
  the same above the water.
• 46:33
  It just wasn't.
• 46:35
  Yeah, well, luck of the draw or not,
• 46:38
  or unlucky luck of the draw.
• 46:41
  All right, guys.
• 46:42
  All right, guys, thank you a lot.
• 46:44
  Before we jump out of here,
• 46:45
  did you have anything you wanted to add
• 46:47
  about why you
• 46:48
  shouldn't go through high water
• 46:50
  or screw it, go for it.
• 46:52
  I would like to say that
• 46:54
  there are a lot of people
• 46:55
  that think because they have
• 46:56
  a tall Jeep or a tall truck,
• 46:57
  they don't have to worry about it.
• 46:59
  And that is untrue.
• 47:01
  Just because your
• 47:01
  vehicle is tall or sits high
• 47:03
  and the water's not gonna hit the body,
• 47:05
  doesn't mean they won't
• 47:07
  hit the wheels and tires
• 47:08
  and not still move.
• 47:09
  That is a false entity.
• 47:11
  Flow is completely different
• 47:13
  than running through still water.
• 47:16
  And I think you're also,
• 47:17
  when it comes to going through water,
• 47:19
  like what I learned that
• 47:19
  time we were going through it
• 47:20
  is you're almost always
• 47:21
  better off to go through it slow.
• 47:23
  Go through it slow and not make a wake.
• 47:26
  Well, the other thing
• 47:27
  I would add in there
• 47:29
  is regardless of the,
• 47:30
  you make it through
• 47:31
  just fine with no problems,
• 47:33
  you're gonna have some
• 47:34
  things you need to check out
• 47:35
  after you do so,
• 47:36
  especially if you didn't
• 47:37
  have your axle differential vent
• 47:40
  tubes high enough.
• 47:41
  If you have some sort of leaks, whatever,
• 47:45
  like you're gonna need to
• 47:46
  go ahead and do things like,
• 47:48
  drain your diff fluid
• 47:49
  and stuff like that,
• 47:51
  depending on how deep it was, obviously.
• 47:52
  So even if you make it through it fine,
• 47:55
  when you do go through water like that,
• 47:58
  maintenance headaches will follow.
• 48:01
  Yeah, and I think quite often too,
• 48:03
  the alternator can go out on you,
• 48:05
  depending on how much water you get in.
• 48:07
  From the mind of Nicky G.
• 48:12
  Hey, this is Nicky G.
• 48:14
  And last week I made a joke
• 48:16
  about West Virginia people
• 48:18
  and I'd like to apologize, but I'm not.
• 48:22
  Why that?
• 48:23
  How was I supposed to
• 48:24
  know that the only guy
• 48:25
  with internet access in West Virginia
• 48:27
  was listening to the show?
• 48:29
  Go figure.
• 48:32
  But that's not what I'm calling.
• 48:33
  I'm calling to tell you that somebody
• 48:35
  broke into my house.
• 48:36
  Yeah, they stole a dozen eggs
• 48:38
  and they left a pot of boiling water.
• 48:41
  Yeah, police believe it was poachers.
• 48:46
  All right, boys and girls, I'm laughing.
• 48:49
  That's all that matters.
• 48:50
  I'll chat to you later.
• 48:51
  Have a good one, bye.
• 48:52
  (upbeat music)
• 48:54
  All right, Josh, sadly,
• 48:55
  that's all the time we have for today.
• 48:58
  I hope that you guys know
• 48:59
  about how to contact us.
• 49:01
  Let us know what you
• 49:01
  think about Josh being back
• 49:03
  in the wonderful segment that he's doing.
• 49:05
  I'm gonna mess it up.
• 49:06
  (beep)
• 49:06
  Oh, I got it.
• 49:08
  Hey, you got it.
• 49:09
  Hey.
• 49:10
  People are enjoying that.
• 49:12
  I told you we'd be
• 49:12
  getting comments about it.
• 49:14
  The duck one.
• 49:15
  Oh, I got some good ones lined up.
• 49:16
  Yeah, the duck one.
• 49:17
  I got some good ones
• 49:18
  lined up for in the future.
• 49:19
  Yeah, the duck one was well received.
• 49:21
  It's sad because it seems
• 49:23
  like people hate the ducks,
• 49:25
  which I don't hate them.
• 49:26
  We need to bring back the rats.
• 49:27
  We need to bring back the rats, Tony.
• 49:29
  Yeah, the you rat
• 49:30
  (beep)
• 49:31
  thing.
• 49:31
  That was hilarious.
• 49:32
  All right, so just go over to
• 49:33
  gtalkshow.com slash contact
• 49:35
  to reach out.
• 49:36
  Let us know what you
• 49:37
  think about the segment,
• 49:38
  what you think about Josh being back.
• 49:40
  Remember, we do a
• 49:41
  round table every Tuesday,
• 49:42
  7.30 p.m. central time.
• 49:44
  Again, go over to
• 49:45
  gtalkshow.com slash contact.
• 49:47
  And remember, you can
• 49:49
  join us again next week
• 49:51
  for another episode here
• 49:53
  on our flagship episode.
• 49:54
  Josh, thanks a lot.
• 49:55
  Any parting words for our viewers?
• 49:59
  Nope, just stay tuned
• 50:00
  and I will see you guys on the next show.
• 50:03
  You're my friend, you're my new friend.
• 50:06
  All right, Josh, let's
• 50:07
  get to what everybody
• 50:09
  is the new viewers here.
• 50:11
  Okay.
• 50:14
  Sorry, I just pulled
• 50:15
  into the lumber yard.
• 50:17
  I need to back this trailer into a spot
• 50:21
  and then I'm gonna
• 50:22
  need to go in and check in
• 50:24
  and get my order
• 50:26
  pulled and stuff like that.
• 50:27
  Once I get checked in and
• 50:29
  they start pulling the order,
• 50:32
  then I can sit back in the truck
• 50:35
  and we can finish the conversation.