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ITB: How Will Eagles Unique QB Depth Chart Situation Be Resolved? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody. It's
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher and it's Adam Kaplan and it's May. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to May. We are past the NFL Draft. Adam and
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  Speaker 1: I like to do every year a depth chart podcast series.
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  Speaker 1: We usually divided up offense defense, but we both talked
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  Speaker 1: and we thought it would be better if we did
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  Speaker 1: this as a series and we really went inside each
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  Speaker 1: position a little more. I mean, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: change going on with the Eagles roster right now and
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  Speaker 1: they've got a lot of guys, and Adam and I
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  Speaker 1: just thought it would be a great as Adam's idea,
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  Speaker 1: great idea to really separate it by position and not
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  Speaker 1: just more two pods, so that we can go deep
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  Speaker 1: inside each position. So we're gonna start off this pod
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  Speaker 1: series with this podcast being about the quarterback and it's
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  Speaker 1: a really Adam, this is the most interesting. It's puzzling.
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  Speaker 1: I'll even say quarterback depth chart that you're gonna see
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  Speaker 1: in the league. Because you have Jillen Hurts, that's fine
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  Speaker 1: as your starter will get it to him in his
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  Speaker 1: contract situation. Then you have a backup in Tanner McKee.
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  Speaker 1: Then you have a number three quarterback who's played in
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  Speaker 1: this league for fifteen years, has been to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: has been to the Pro Bowl. Not your typical number three.
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course your developmental number four with the
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  Speaker 1: rookie Cole Payton, who himself has a lot of interesting
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  Speaker 1: I guess an interesting future and team saw him differently.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a very unique looking dep chart to say
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  Speaker 1: the least.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they've got four quarterbacks, You've got revised offensive
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff, You've got a new play caller, you got
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  Speaker 2: a new passing game coordinator, you got a new tight
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  Speaker 2: ends coach, you got a new run game coordinator. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks coach, Park Fraser was on the staff.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to really search to see where he's
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  Speaker 2: developed quarterbacks before. Yeah, and they've got a ob to
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  Speaker 2: do here. You got to get the quarterback back now
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  Speaker 2: only back on track, but he's got to learn a
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  Speaker 2: yet another new offense with new coaches. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: them knew other than Parks Frasier, And it's it's this
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  Speaker 2: thing could go variety of ways. You know, they're they're
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  Speaker 2: running an offense that you know some people say this
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  Speaker 2: will never work. With Jalen Hurts, I'm a little bit
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  Speaker 2: to the contrary with it. To me, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: he knows what's coming. He's aware of what it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be, and it will never work unless he throws
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  Speaker 2: the ball in time, particularly over the middle. There's a
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  Speaker 2: reason why they drafted McKay lemon.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same reason the Steelers want to Kae Lemon.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted it inside receivers. I was told at the
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  Speaker 2: time what they saw and that's what Mike McCarthy wanted
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  Speaker 2: West Coast offense. You need a slot.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So there's it's gonna be different. As you said, you
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  Speaker 2: set this up. I'm fascinated to see what the training
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  Speaker 2: Kip looks like with all these guys called Payton is Is
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  Speaker 2: he how you're gonna get him reps? He said, with
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  Speaker 2: four string quarterbacks don't get reps.
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  Speaker 1: This is a great conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is just like the craziness of this.
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  Speaker 2: I understand like he brings it a very unique skill set.
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  Speaker 2: He's a big time athlete. Once he had told me
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  Speaker 2: that that he hasn't played fullback before. They actually thought
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  Speaker 2: because of his size and he can move, but he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't throw the ball very well that maybe he should
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  Speaker 2: be a fullback.
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  Speaker 1: A fullback.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, yeah, Just as we often do, we try
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  Speaker 2: to get information from other clubs how they solve what
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  Speaker 2: we do is the Eagles draft class here, and how do
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  Speaker 2: you see this player? Oh well, you might find this interesting.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't really see him as a quarterback. Okay, tight end,
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  Speaker 2: he goes no fullback? I was like, but how do
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  Speaker 2: you see this? He's like, he's very athletic, he can move.
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  Speaker 2: We all teach him out block. He's big as hell
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  Speaker 2: into thirty plus. Okay, but that doesn't that doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: take care unless he's Larry Centers, you know, unless he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna catch a hundred balls. What's the point? You know?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. That seems dubious to me, but it
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  Speaker 2: just tells you that teams are split on what cal
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  Speaker 2: Payton is at the next level. Eagle seem as a quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: but how how will be deployed? Right trying camp will
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  Speaker 2: give his clues.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Larry's centers is a great pull. I
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  Speaker 1: had forgotten about the great pass catching fullback Larry's centers.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Mada three or four years at the Super Bowl, we
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  Speaker 2: had an awesome talking. He said, I totally forgot that
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  Speaker 2: he played for Belichick. Oh yeah, yeah, Patriots were his
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  Speaker 2: last team. Uh huh. He just was captain checkdown. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I called. I was. It's ridiculous, unbelievable hit the
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  Speaker 2: neck role maybe a little bit there. Yeah, for a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of teams. A really good dude and I hell
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  Speaker 2: of a football player. And for fantasy that was the
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  Speaker 2: big thing. Like he in PPR leagues where you get
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  Speaker 2: a point perception, he was gold fullback. Was actually a
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  Speaker 2: thot than Mike Alstott Worth drafting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that? You know, I remember when Terrell
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  Speaker 1: Prior moved to wide receiver right and he became a
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  Speaker 1: thousand yard off receiver because of his athleticism, and then
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  Speaker 1: he went foolishly. I think it was the it was
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  Speaker 1: Washington that signed him into a big free agent deal
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  Speaker 1: and then he only had like two hundred and fifty yards,
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  Speaker 1: But he did show that he could make that move
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  Speaker 1: and use that athleticism. I'm I am fascinated to see
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  Speaker 1: how the Eagles use Cole Payton if they can correct
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  Speaker 1: all the mechanical issues that he came out of college
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  Speaker 1: with and eventually build him into a backup or if
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  Speaker 1: he just becomes kind of a multi dimensional weapon like player.
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  Speaker 1: Did we mention how the Eagles have been looking for
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  Speaker 1: this kind of guy in various positions in a recent time.
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  Speaker 1: It started with pen Van Schumer and it continued with
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  Speaker 1: a guy who never even made the team. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember how much they talked up Avery Williams? Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember Nick syari all the of all the free agency
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  Speaker 1: signed last year, Nick Sirianni couldn't wait to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Avery Williams, the running back who had also played cornerback,
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  Speaker 1: who was also a dangerous returner, and he got hurt
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  Speaker 1: OTAs and then he just came to training camp and
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  Speaker 1: he was just.
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  Speaker 2: Did I get overly excited when he spoke the owner
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  Speaker 2: speanings That got duped totally. I was looking for this
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  Speaker 2: training camp. Yeah, so do you remember me? You and
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  Speaker 2: Andrew are exchanging notes. You're like, I'm really not seeing it, Like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they're just not showing it. They're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: show it and train to Kip at some point if
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna be a roster. Right, you never saw it.
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  Speaker 2: He got cut. I think the Jets brought him in
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  Speaker 2: and that's it. He's had a football so that he.
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  Speaker 1: Was on every fifty three man roster project like early
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  Speaker 1: three man roster projection because of the way Nick Sirianni
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  Speaker 1: talked about him. And I don't think Nick Sirianni was
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  Speaker 1: trying to do purport. I think Nick Sirianni thought this
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  Speaker 1: guy was going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't do it, get the job done. He doesn't stand around.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it wasn't like a lot of money that
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  Speaker 2: they owed him, so it but it shows you on
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  Speaker 2: your point that gadget player, something non traditional. Yeah, something
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  Speaker 2: that's out of the norm, right, could be possible going
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  Speaker 2: forward here.
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  Speaker 1: Right, You mentioned reps fur quarterbacks, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be a big part of the discussion
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  Speaker 1: we're going to have about this depth dark position, because
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you look at something and you don't understand how
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  Speaker 1: the pieces are going to fit, knowing what you know
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  Speaker 1: about a practice in the NFL, the way coaches think,
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  Speaker 1: the way players think, the way a team prepares, and
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  Speaker 1: once we get past Jalen Hurts in a second, I
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  Speaker 1: think that reps question is going to become very very
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  Speaker 1: interesting for the rest of the QBS. But let's start
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  Speaker 1: with Jalen, you mentioned the change that they are undergoing offensively,
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  Speaker 1: this is the most drastic change the Eagles will have
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  Speaker 1: made among all of their changes. We felt that the
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  Speaker 1: Kellen Moore changed a couple of years ago was going
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  Speaker 1: to bring in a new offense. It was sort of
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  Speaker 1: like that for a few weeks. More motion, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of different things spread offense, but it really was still
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  Speaker 1: it became the Eagles offense that we had known, and
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  Speaker 1: they definitely tried to keep the Eagles offense with Kevin Patullo.
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  Speaker 1: They had the Eagles offense with Shane Steikin's offense was
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  Speaker 1: RPO heavy. The league caught up to that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it really worked well at the time. But Adam, this one,
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  Speaker 1: as you've just mentioned, we're not going to have a
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  Speaker 1: conversation like, yes, it's a new coordinator, but it's the
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  Speaker 1: same offense, no different offense, different personnel that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: in charge, and we're gonna find out if Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: likes this offense and will operate it the way it's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be, because he is famous for that quote
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  Speaker 1: of saying the offense will look the way I want
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  Speaker 1: it to look, and I don't think that that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the case anymore. But he has a chance
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  Speaker 1: to really adapt to this offense and really add to
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  Speaker 1: himself his legacy as a quarterback. And I think if
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  Speaker 1: he does want to pull the trigger more because we
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  Speaker 1: know he's accurate, if he does, it can be great
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  Speaker 1: for his career. I'm not a doubter. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to see how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: I know there. I mean, we've had these conversations with
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  Speaker 2: people in the league. Like most people that we've spoke
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  Speaker 2: with don't think it's gonna work because he hasn't shown
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  Speaker 2: the ability to throw consistently over the middle, throw a
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  Speaker 2: great time and consistently.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he has done it, yep.
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  Speaker 2: And when you've done something before, it doesn't mean you
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  Speaker 2: can't do it. There's you know, there's another guy. There's
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  Speaker 2: a new guy in his here, you know, with the
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  Speaker 2: new offense coordinator, Sean Mannion. He Manion only knows the
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  Speaker 2: West Coast offense. For those saying well, they could just
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  Speaker 2: scale back, like Kellen Moore did, Oh really, what's he
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  Speaker 2: scaling back to? What other offense? Does? You know? What
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  Speaker 2: are you scaling to? It's easy to say, but like
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  Speaker 2: Kellen Moore. As he would say when he was interviewed
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  Speaker 2: over the years, he had two or three different ideas
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  Speaker 2: in his head of what it should his offense should
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  Speaker 2: look like. Because of the people who work with Scott
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  Speaker 2: Lenihan going back to college at Boise State, that and
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  Speaker 2: other people he's worked with here, it's the West Coast offense. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to a North turner offense, non traditional,
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to the verbage system. Excuse me, the
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  Speaker 2: number system. You're not doing that. So it's either it's
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  Speaker 2: either going to work or you get to Tanner McKee,
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  Speaker 2: who's the number two. Now, let me throw this scenario
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  Speaker 2: at you. They're one in five, Okay, still time left,
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  Speaker 2: Still time left to turn the season around. One in
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  Speaker 2: five defense is playing well, Barkley's not the problem that
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  Speaker 2: the run blocking, which is atrocious last season is actually good.
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  Speaker 2: Past blocking which was good last year, still good. But
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  Speaker 2: it's very clear that Hurts cannot get the system down.
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  Speaker 2: Would it surprise anyone that if they went to McKay.
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  Speaker 1: I mean at one in five, No, that wouldn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that it's more likely. Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's tough under the set of context you
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  Speaker 1: gave me. If the Eagles are run blocking pretty well
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  Speaker 1: and playing good defense, it's pretty it'll be very hard
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  Speaker 1: to be one in five because that would be two
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  Speaker 1: thirds of their operation are doing really well. But to
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  Speaker 1: your point, I do think the only thing that would
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  Speaker 1: lead to Jalen Hurts getting benched if it was a
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  Speaker 1: major slide like that, if there were four games under
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  Speaker 1: five hundred, or if they were getting close to some
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  Speaker 1: kind of mathematical elimination and the season was really slipping away.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: You're in mid October, late October, early November, and you're
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: on a four game losing streak and the offense just
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: isn't doing what it's supposed to do. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I think that that scenario could be on the table.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it'll happen because even when he's you know,
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  Speaker 1: Janden Hurts is sort of that mystery wrapped in enigma.
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  Speaker 1: Even when he's struggling, then he goes and has like
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  Speaker 1: two great games, right, I mean, he always figures out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a survivor. I give him a lot of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of credit for that. So I get it
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  Speaker 1: that it catches up with everybody at some point did
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  Speaker 1: for Donovan, it does for it did for Carson. It
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  Speaker 1: catches up. But I don't I don't see that happening
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  Speaker 1: just yet. I do think the question more so is
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  Speaker 1: what happens if he's just okay though, Like, if he's okay,
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  Speaker 1: the team's doing all right, not great, not terrible, But
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  Speaker 1: then you're paying a lot of money for someone to
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  Speaker 1: just be an okay quarterback. So there's a lot to
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  Speaker 1: see here with how he plays.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now let's let's get to this is important. This
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  Speaker 2: next part hurts his contract, right m hm. Well, he's
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  Speaker 2: signed through twenty twenty eight. All the cash this season
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  Speaker 2: is fully guaranteed, fifty one point five million, so that's
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's going to get his money. He's a
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  Speaker 2: started quarterback. Yeah, next year is when he's going to
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  Speaker 2: want a new deal because only of the fifty one
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  Speaker 2: point five million to do with twenty seven, only twenty
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  Speaker 2: two millions fully guaranteed. It's the last year of any
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  Speaker 2: guaranteed money. And that's not a lot. Not that they
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  Speaker 2: would cut him obviously, not for a quarterback, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're not cutting a quarterback. You would trade him if
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  Speaker 2: you weren't happy and by the way, there there would
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  Speaker 2: be suitors for him. Sure. I've had this conversation with
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  Speaker 2: personal people, like there he's a young quarterback who's won
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  Speaker 2: a lot of games, and there are theories of why
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  Speaker 2: he struggled the last three years, up very up, and down,
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  Speaker 2: more down then up in the passing game. There's the
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  Speaker 2: randomness of the success, like why can't he play consistently
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  Speaker 2: good football? A lot of theories. We've discussed a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them. Too many coordinators, too many different people in
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  Speaker 2: his ear. It's going to happen again this year. But
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  Speaker 2: whatever the case is, it just say has not been
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  Speaker 2: good enough. It started twenty three. We outline. It's not
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  Speaker 2: an opinion. It's as grec O Sel says, it's tape based.
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  Speaker 2: It's all tape based. It's what the tap shows. Like
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  Speaker 2: you can't argue with tape. You could give theories, you
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  Speaker 2: could give contacts. Okay, well why is this happening? You
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  Speaker 2: can have some theories, but the tape is the tape. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So if he plays well, I mean, if I'm hurts,
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  Speaker 2: if it's very clear that he had a good season,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm him, I want a new deal. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: playing for fifty one to five with all the Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: he's gotten and if he's there's a saying in personnel,
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  Speaker 2: are you part of the reason why? Right? Are you
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  Speaker 2: the reason? Why? Are we winning because of you? Of you?
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  Speaker 1: Or winning with you?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? With you right right? And that's actually these
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  Speaker 2: are real conversations that personnel people have.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: But if it's very clear they're winning because of him,
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  Speaker 2: like in twenty two, they won't because of him. There's
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  Speaker 2: no argument he was great man. The league just did
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of things have happened. But moving this forward
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  Speaker 2: to twenty seven, I just there's not enough guaranteed money.
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  Speaker 2: I'd want a new deal if I'm him, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure he will yeah, if he plays well, if it
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  Speaker 2: you never have to guess if the guy, if if
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  Speaker 2: the guy, if it's worth playing paying a guy that
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  Speaker 2: the tape tells you how the guy's playing. Agreed, We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna learn a lot. As you said to set this up.
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  Speaker 2: This is a fascinating situation with Hurtz McKee, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: on the last year of his rookie deal.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. The word around the league is if if Eagles
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  Speaker 2: would entertain and he talks with other clubs. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a premium pick, very good pick. But talk
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  Speaker 2: about a great salary to have if you're the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: for a backup quarterback one point one for five million.
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  Speaker 2: It's the cash that's beautiful. Fact the third string quarterback
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  Speaker 2: Andy Dalton, well from the Eagles, he's gonna make one
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  Speaker 2: point five million because the Panthers and Eagles are split
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: in the cash. Panthers are, I believe we're paying two
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  Speaker 2: point five million. Eagles are paying only one point five million.
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  Speaker 2: Remember at the trade we said, this is no way
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  Speaker 2: they're they're gonna pay four million to be a third
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  Speaker 2: string quarterback. Right where there you go. That's that's what
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  Speaker 2: we were told. That's what the breakdown is.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, So financially, financially, this is where I'm really fascinated.
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  Speaker 1: Financially because the Panthers, as you just said, are spotting
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  Speaker 1: half the bill. It's not maybe the most crippling salary
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  Speaker 1: for number three quarterback, especially when you're number two is
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  Speaker 1: still on a rookie deal. Right. But from a practice
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  Speaker 1: rep standpoint, now you're talking about we have this outlined
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  Speaker 1: what an NFL practice looks like during the season quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit your starting quarterback gets like ninety percent of
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  Speaker 1: the reps. Okay, Your backup quarterback, which in this case
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  Speaker 1: would be Tanner McKey, gets about ten percent of the reps.
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  Speaker 1: Unless there's any way, any, if any, thank you any
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Okay, So if that would be the case,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about Jalen Hurt's getting almost all the reps,
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  Speaker 1: Tanner m keey getting what there's left. Usually your third
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  Speaker 1: string guy is a developmental guy and runs the scout team,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: which is what you would probably want from Nicole Payton.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: But you have a guy and Andy Dalton who is
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: never been a number three, right. He is fifteen I'm sorry, seventeen, No,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: fifteen years into his career. He's been to three Pro Bowls,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: he's played in four playoff games, although he hasn't won
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: any of them. And he is going to be a
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: guy running the scout team. That makes very little sense
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: to me. And on top of that, I'd love to
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: just have a conversation with him and shoot him up
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: with some truth serum and say, how do you feel
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: about that being the scout team quarterback at this stage
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: of your career. I mean, it's a very high paid one,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: but That's where I look at the whole depth chart
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: and I say, doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: You don't see this a lot around the NFL.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Well at the time of the trade, as we taught
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: folks how he really loved him. In fact, it the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: way we understood it. He's thirty eight, he turns thirty nine.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Andy Dalton does in October.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: So Dalton three years ago was going to be Eagles backup.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It was between the Panthers and the Eagles, and he
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: chose the Panthers, and that three years later they trade
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: for him. Now on this situation with McKain Dalton, they
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: also have insurance if they wind up trading the kid
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: the trade deadline like that. That's part of it because
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: you have to have that like that. That's absolutely part
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of this. You know, percentage wise, you know it's impossible
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: to figure out, but that's absolutely part of this. It
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: gives you an insurance policy if you wind up trading McKay.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's part of it. So and then but
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: again moving on to training camp, I just you feel
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: bad for cal Payton because this guy's a major project.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: You want to develop this guy. If he's going to
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: be a pure quarterback with wildcat whatever you want him
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: to be and understand stuff. And McCain. Dalton's contracts are
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: over after the season. Not that Peyton's gonna be the
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: number two next year, but he's got a four year
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: rookie deal. You'd like to by year three hopefully he
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: factors in to be the number two. But how's he
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: getting reps?
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I know they do those
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: those developmental periods and training camp that are ment just
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: for rookies. They do those during the game, I know.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And Faippo has talked to us about this. Was it
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: with Carson year one where he had him an hour
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: before they get no? Carson played your one? Never mind?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Who will no?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: He actually so? John said that this is crazy if
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you remember JaMarcus Russell howd out this rookie season? Right,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: so he would after he reported he was so far
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: behind because he missed everything the off season. You go
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: out a few hours before the game and they just
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: get those are the reps? Yes, he did it with Sunfell,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: by the way, That's the why he did too. Right.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So John will get teased because some some coaches round
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the league thought he was being a show off. He's like,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to develop these guys. What do you talk
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you like?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a running joke with us because
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that we'd hear this, like I go, hey, just so
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: you know they figured being a show off, and he'd like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: come on, really, he goes, just so you know, this
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: is what I'm doing and this is why I'm doing it,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: because as you just said, with Knight Sudfeldt, he was
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: THET three, then he was the two. These are this
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: is how you you try to be creative within the CBA. Also,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: you just don't get the practice reps. You before the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: eleventh CBA you got more practice reps. The NFLPA, the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Players Association, one of their big give that one of
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the things they wanted from the owners was we don't
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: want you talking to our players at the off season.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: We don't want to practice in April. Okay, that's for
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the young players. Older players don't want to be bothered.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: We don't want you bothering us. If you come into
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Lyft in March and the owners are like, oh, that's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: what you want, Hey, we'll get take it right, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: but that's fine, that's what they want.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so so maybe prior to each game, you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: there's developmental period for Cole Payton which he could use.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: There's ways to get him develop up, but you're right
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: not getting it in those practice quote unquote send me
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: live bullets flying in practice. That's tough. But maybe they
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: feel he's so far from being that that they really
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: would rather have him working individually with Parker Parks, Fraser Parks,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Frasier h until he's ready for that role. It will
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: be so so I want to go back though, to Dalton.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you. I'm not sure I understand. I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: would understand the sense of trading for a key at
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the trade deadline if you're another team, because he's in
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the last year of his deal and you're you'd be
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: giving up. I mean, the Eagles are gonna want something
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: for him, and because they're gonna if they let him walk,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: they probably get a pretty good like no, no lower
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: than a fourth round compick because he's gonna sign a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: big deal because a quarterback. So I don't know, I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: don't know how the the they would see that, but
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's more likely by the end of camp,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: if a team loses a quarterback, they might look for
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: m Key. But if not, if that doesn't happen, is
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: there an is there a chance in your mind that
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the Eagles, like kind of like the move Flacco, do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: they trade Dalton to a place where he can be
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the backup Because if I'm Dalton's agent, I'm gonna say, look, Howie,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I get it. You traded for my client. He wants
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you needed insurance. You thought you might have a deal
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: for a Key, but he is not a number three
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: quarter but he wants at this stage of his career
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to be a backup quarterback.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: You know, but you you would if you trade for McKay.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: This is this is a good point you make if
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: you make if you trade for McKay, it's one of
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: two reasons your starting quarterback got hurt in season, which
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: we didn't mention for both that happened. Or you're like, okay,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: our veterans contracts up. He We're we're we're not going
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to resign him. We want this kid. We have his
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: rights till till March. Middle of March, he becomes a
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: free agent, will negotiate with the with the agent and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: he's our guy until then, right, and we're gonna we're
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: extend his correct. There's a path, obviously a path to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: do this. I hear what you're saying, but.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying, if they're not, if there's not,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: if McKee is on the team and your Dalton, do
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you ask the Eagles to do you a solid and say, please,
• 21:41
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, maybe it's.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Just running a scout team, Adam, I hear you.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: But if I'm Howie, it's about Look, it's our decision,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and we hear you, but we're trying to win here
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and we're trying to get value. Mckaig. I'm just telling
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you this, and I know on paper and we need
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to explain this very quickly. Yes, it's true on paper.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Next year could be great for quarterbacks for the draft
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and may be terrible. Okay, it may be terrible. It
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: depends how they play. People just to say stuff without
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: understanding the way it works. Yes, teams look at that,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: but they know these guys could play port. Garrett Moulsmeyer
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: is the best example of this.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Aler and Nosmeyer.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Aller, who man, some of your said Penn State, you go,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: this kid's a sure fire for this kid's got it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Then he regresses so.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And he broke his leg too. That was a big
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: part of it was he only played a few.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Games, right, But getting back to McKee, he's in no quantity.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: He's in the National Football he has tape out there.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You kind of know who he is. So it's a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: fascinating discussion in a league that has major problems developing quarterbacks.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe all right, all right, So it's just fascinating. There's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: no doubt it's unique. You don't see a lot of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: fifteen year vets as your number three quarterback running scout team.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes with the situation. Now,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: we didn't The one thing that we should also address,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and I think you're hinting towards this too, is you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: McKee's situation is a little bit uncertain because if there
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: is an scenario right where Jalen Hurts, a gets hurt
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: long term, or really struggles, the Eagles still have control
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: here over McKee for one more year, they may think
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: going forward, he's a better option. This is a very
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: minute I don't want the Jalen Hurts haters coming, I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: mean lovers coming after us saying where we're trying to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: bury the guy in the grave. We're just going through
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: every single scenario possible, right If for whatever reason, as
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier in the show, Hurts, the offense thinks
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's not good. They go to McKey and McKey does
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: really well and he's a good fit for the offense.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden you're looking at maybe McKee
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: being a quarterback of the future.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Well, let me just explain something. I'm just this is like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: if they go to McKay, they're not going back to Hurts.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It's just the way it's going to be. It will
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: it won't work. I know with Donovan when he got
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: benched and he would get the job back, that was
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a different times were way different than many many, many
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: many years ago. Yeah, not not in today's NFL and
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in a media environment. It just would not work, you
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: know you. And the thing is Hurts is still very young. Yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it's it's a Hurts his situation and what he could
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: be and what he is or just in terms of performance,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: it's confounded. It's he's one of the most confounding quarterbacks.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: If you go back to Oklahoma and Alabama and everything
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: he's been through. Coach's son mentally tough. Why can't he
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: be better? Like what from a tape study standpoint, you struggle.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You can only blame coaches so much. Like it's you
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: just at some point you go either it's gonna happen
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: or not. But he's still very young.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Right right. It's crazy to me that, by the way,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that Eagle's number three quarterback has as many Pro Bowls
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: as he was number one quarterback. A big type, I know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I know, that's just it's a super esparctially the way
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl is now because Hurts is listed as
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty five Pro Bowler. But I thought they
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: were going to stop doing that whole. If you made
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: it as a third alternate, you're a Pro Bowl.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: No, you have to be named originally. You have to
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: have earned it, to be the starting, to be the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: guy to be voted in originally. You can't be replacement Herts.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: He only turns twenty eight in August.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Like, that's crazy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's it's so much has happened here. Yeah,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I think what ESPN should do. They should do a
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: thirty for thirty on Wentz and Hurts and their careers here.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely thirty for thirty.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Oh agree, it would be amazing.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You can even go Donovan, No, you can then just
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: do on quarterbacks.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Donovan looked, I mean Michael Vick. Obviously there was one,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: there was a or whatever you call it. He's sixty
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: on them. But yeah, Eagles quarterback history is fascinating, all right.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: So that's a look at the quarterback depth chart again
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: worth its own pod because as unique as you'll ever
• 27:06
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