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James Fox (2025) - Military Technology, UAP Sightings and Encounters · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're really getting into
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  it, diving deep into a pretty wild conversation from the Joe
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  Rogan Experience. Yeah, this was episode Hashtag
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  2246 with James Fox, the filmmaker.
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  It was a long one, covering, well, everything.
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  UAP, recent sightings, older cases, government stuff.
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  Or, you know, the lack of government stuff, depending on
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  how you look at it. The whole mystery around
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  unidentified aerial phenomena. Exactly.
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  So our mission here is basically to boil it all down for you,
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  pull out the key takeaways, the really compelling bits from that
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  whole exchange. Right give you the essentials
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  without you needing to sit through hours though.
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  It was a fascinating listen. We want to give you a concise
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  but really thorough understanding.
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  OK, so let's start with something kind of funny that led
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  into some serious stuff. Joe's run in with Ryan Graves in
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  a hotel elevator. Oh yeah, the dodgy elevator
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  story. Apparently everyone was saying
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  don't use this elevator but Joe. Well.
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  He had to try it, of course, and Graves was in there.
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  And that seemingly random meeting kicked off a whole
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  discussion about what Graves has actually seen.
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  He talked about these really advanced drones or whatever they
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  are back in New Jersey. Not.
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  Your DGI Mavics right? These were like SUV size.
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  Exactly. SUV size, totally silent, flying
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  for hours, he mentioned. Up to five hours sometimes.
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  Five hours, silent and big as a car.
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  And he also said they could evade FLIR right, the infrared
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  detection. Yeah, just disappear from it.
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  That's pretty advanced capability it.
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  Really makes you think, are these hours some secret military
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  tech we don't know about Or it said something else.
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  Graves even floated the idea they could be coming from the
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  ocean. 50 of them reportedly seen off the coast.
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  That's what was mentioned reported by Coast Guard police.
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  It does sound like something out of a movie.
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  It really does. The scale of it, it's just yeah.
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  And this ties into what James Fox was talking about this
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  recent almost like surge in UAP reports.
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  He got that text right from the retired Air Force Colonel.
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  Yeah, kind of tongue in cheek asking if Fox had, you know,
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  engineered this UAP invasion to promote his movie.
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  An invasion? Yeah, maybe a strong word.
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  But look at where these things were being seen.
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  California, Europe, UK bases New York, New Jersey, San Diego.
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  Ohio too, right? Patterson apparently had a
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  shutdown because of 1. Florida with those photos Grab
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  shared. It's widespread.
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  And it's not just random people seeing lights.
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  These are often near sensitive areas, sometimes tracked on
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  radar, seen by pilots. Fox admitted at first he
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  thought, OK, probably just drones.
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  Conventional stuff. Makes sense?
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  That's the default explanation now.
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  But then the details started coming in.
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  Reports of silent operation flights lasting hours.
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  Weird shapes like crescents that changed his mind.
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  And Christopher Mellon, former deputy assistant Secretary of
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  Defense for intelligence, he called it.
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  What a real shit show. Yeah, pretty blunt, he
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  acknowledged. Some could be explained away,
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  sure, but a lot of them, including maybe 50 off the coast
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  seen by officials, genuinely mysterious.
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  Then you had Senator Schumer at that press conference talking
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  about drones but acknowledging they didn't know what they were.
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  Right. And Fox and Mellon both kind of
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  hinted that maybe using the word drone is a way to, I don't know,
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  manage the narrative, keep it from sounding too much like UAP,
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  which has heavier implications. Yeah, unidentified anomalous
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  phenomenon sounds a lot stranger than unidentified drone, even
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  though they might be the same thing in this case.
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  It's interesting how language is used there.
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  But this isn't just a recent thing, which is crucial.
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  Look at Jeffrey Nellie's testimony about Vandenberg Air
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  Force Base. Right back in 2003 to 2005 he
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  was USAF military police. And he described some absolutely
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  incredible incidents. The big one was the Vandenberg
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  Red Square. OK, tell us about that one.
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  Sounds wild. Boeing contractor saw it.
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  A huge, silent Red Square, maybe the size of a football field,
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  just hovering over a missile defense.
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  Installation A. Football ball field hovering
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  silently. And Nellie claims there are
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  official Air Force records of this, a blotter entry, names,
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  contacts, stuff he says he's given to Congress, a ARO, the
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  FBI. If that documentation exists.
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  And that wasn't all. Nellie investigated other things
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  there, too, like an object landing on the flight line,
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  brightly lit, silent, and then just accelerating instantly into
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  space. Gone.
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  Instant acceleration like that defies physics as we know it.
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  He also mentioned a triangular craft bigger than AC130
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  transport plane hovering just 50 feet over.
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  Another police officer Silent again. 50 feet.
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  That's incredibly close for something that large and
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  unknown. And maybe the weirdest 1 A house
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  sized orb described as blue white kind of liquid looking
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  hovering over a house on the base A.
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  Liquid Orb. OK, now we're really pushing the
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  boundaries. Nella described the whole
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  experience as like inspiring, exciting, but also terrifying,
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  and he stressed the need for the government to just be straight
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  about this stuff. He mentioned other military
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  witnesses too, ready to testify. And didn't these Vandenberg
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  incidents happen around the same time as the Nimitz Tic Tac
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  encounter? Roughly yeah. 2003, 2005 for
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  Vandenberg, 2004 for the Tic tac.
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  Makes you wonder if there was a cluster of activity then.
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  Definitely raises questions about patterns, which leads us
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  to the whole secrecy aspect. Joe mentioned talking to a
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  general like 20 years ago. Yeah, and the general basically
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  said, imagine the government admitting, hey, there are craft
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  flying in our airspace. We don't know whose they are and
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  we can't stop them. The potential for panic, loss of
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  confidence. You can see why they'd hesitate.
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  It's a political nightmare. Leaders need to project control,
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  right? Admitting you're not in control
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  of your own skies is a huge problem.
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  It's a real catch 22 secretly breeds distrust, but maybe they
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  feel disclosure is worse. Which ties right into James
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  Fox's documentary, the program, and the whole David Grush
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  situation. Absolutely, Grush, the former
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  Intel officer testifying underoath to Congress.
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  That was huge. Claiming there's a secret
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  decades long crash retrieval program recovering non human
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  craft. His testimony Underoath really
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  shifted the conversation, didn't it?
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  It brought a new level of seriousness, forced more
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  congressional attention. And Fox said his own research,
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  like 30 years of it, kind of lines up with what Grush is
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  claiming. Yeah, he mentioned his film
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  Moment of Contact about the Virginia incident in Brazil.
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  Right Finding parallels between his field investigations and
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  Grush's insider claims. It suggests Grush isn't just
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  making things up out of the blue.
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  There's potential corroboration from independent research into
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  these alleged crash events. But what about the counter
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  argument, The mindfuck theory that it's all just a cover for
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  our own secret tech? Fox pushed back on that.
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  He argued. How do you explain decades of
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  consistent reports from all over the world long before we
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  supposedly had this kind of tech?
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  Think Project Blue. Book the Air Force's own
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  investigation back in the day, documenting weird stuff, even
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  close encounters. Exactly stuff that inspired the
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  movie close Encounters and even further back, the Foo Fighters
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  seen by pilots in World War 2. It suggests this phenomenon,
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  whatever it is, has been around a while.
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  OK, let's talk about another specific really weird case.
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  Now let's test range 1994. Yeah, so apparently sensory data
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  and camera footage picked up a UFO there.
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  Fox has this footage in the program.
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  And then just three days later, this encounter, right?
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  Jason Sands, former military guy, he's with a convoy and they
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  run into, well, a being. Describe the being.
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  No ears, large eyes, That's the description.
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  OK. And the communication.
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  This is where it gets really strange.
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  Sands claims it was telepathic. The being was looking for a
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  specific metal tenellum, he called it.
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  Tenellum never heard of it and the being just communicated this
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  telepathically. That's the claim.
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  After the communication, the being went back to a craft
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  similar to the one filmed and took off.
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  Wow, that's quite a story. And Fox.
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  Adds that Sam's is willing to take a polygraph, testify
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  Underoath apparently as his credentials were even checked
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  out by Senate committees, Armed Services and Intelligence, so
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  they took it seriously enough to vet him.
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  That definitely adds weight, even if the story itself is hard
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  to process. Shifting gears a bit, let's talk
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  photos. The Scotland one.
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  Yes, the Calvine photo, sometimes called that taken
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  around 1990, shows a diamond shaped object, apparently with a
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  Harrier jet in the background. And Nick Pope, who worked the
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  Mod UFO desk, confirmed it's real.
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  He did, and he also confirmed the Ministry of Defense
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  basically buried it trying to make sure it never got out.
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  So how did we end up seeing it? Persistence from journalist
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  David Clarke. He tracked down the original RAF
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  press officer, Craig Lindsay, who had kept a personal copy.
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  If Lindsay hadn't done that, we might never have seen it.
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  What does the photo actually show besides the objects in the
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  jet? Well, the analysis suggests the
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  Harrier wasn't just flying past. It looks like it was circling
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  the object. Apparently there were other
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  photos showing the jet in different positions but those.
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  Vanished. Vanish.
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  A recurring theme, it seems, hiding evidence.
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  Which brings us back to the present day and the struggle for
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  transparency. Fox talked about meeting the new
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  head of ARO, John Kozlowski. Aro being the Pentagon's UAP
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  office, what was that meeting like?
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  Fox said Kozlowski was pretty candid, actually.
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  After a background check, Kozlowski apparently told him,
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  quote James, I can't part my hair without approval from the
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  DoD and you can quote me on that.
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  Wow, so even the head of the office feels constrained by the
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  Department of Defense? Pretty much spells out the
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  limits on transparency, doesn't it?
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  Contrast sharply with the previous head, Sean Kirkpatrick,
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  who many felt was just dismissive.
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  So this all leads back to the politics of disclosure.
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  It's complicated. Hugely.
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  Think about the potential fallout, impact on religion,
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  financial systems, the admission by governments that they well
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  haven't been fully in control, or maybe haven't been entirely
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  truthful. How do other countries handle
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  this? You mentioned Russia maybe being
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  more open in the past. Yeah, there have been periods
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  where Russian officials or reports seemed more open, though
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  who knows the full story now. China's approach is less clear
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  publicly, but the focus right now seems to be on the US with
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  these hearings and legislative pushes.
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  There is momentum here, isn't there?
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  Bipartisan efforts in Congress trying to force more information
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  out. Definitely, but then you have
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  the military and national security argument for secrecy.
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  We can't let China or Russia get their hands on this potentially
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  game changing technology if we've recovered some.
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  You can see that logic especially when you hear the
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  reported capabilities. Instant acceleration, hypersonic
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  speeds without Sonic booms. Right, if that tech is real, you
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  wouldn't want your adversaries getting it first.
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  Of course, amid all this, you still have to filter out the
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  noise, misidentifications, hoaxes.
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  Yeah, that's always part of the challenge.
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  Absolutely. Critical thinking is key, and
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  not everyone buys into it like Elon Musk.
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  Yeah, Rogan mentioned Musk seems pretty skeptical about the whole
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  thing, Dismisses stuff like the Fravor tic Tac encounter.
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  Which is interesting given his focus on advanced tech, but
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  maybe his focus is purely terrestrial tech.
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  Speaking of current events though, those recent drone
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  incursions the Pentagon acknowledged.
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  Yeah, Sabrina Singh, the spokeswoman, talking about
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  unauthorized drones over Air Force bases Westminster near
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  Trump's golf course, Joint Base Andrews.
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  And the timing was weird, right around Christmas for the last
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  three years. That's the report kind of
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  strange pattern. And again, you see parallels,
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  echoes of Vandenberg, even Phoenix Lights with descriptions
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  of massive silent objects. The Stephenville, TX sighting in
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  2008 also had that massive object seen by cops and
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  everything, followed by attempts to clamp down on the info.
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  It's a pattern that keeps repeating.
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  Let's talk about Phoenix Lights, specifically March 1997.
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  That was huge. Massive, Literally thousands of
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  witnesses across Arizona saw this giant V shaped or boomerang
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  craft silent. A Governor Fife Symington saw it
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  himself. And the official explanation was
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  flares. Initially, yeah, flares from a
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  military exercise miles away. But Symington, after leaving
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  office, said no way. That wasn't flares.
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  I saw craft. He felt it was definitely
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  something else, something otherworldly.
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  And there were reports of jet scrambled pilots shaken.
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  Up and those stories of men in black types showing up,
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  intimidating witnesses, supposedly confiscating footage
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  from a news station. It all adds to the mystery and
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  the feeling of a cover up. You hear first hand accounts
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  like Stacey Rhodes and her daughter describing this
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  enormous gun metal black thing right over them, totally silent.
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  It's chilling. It really is these credible,
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  often multiple witness accounts of something truly extraordinary
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  happening. So despite all the history of
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  secrecy and dismissal, there is this ongoing push now.
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  Three open congressional hearings in three years?
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  That's unprecedented, really. And you hear things like Senator
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  Harry Reid's supposed advice to a president, Don't worry about
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  your legacy, just deal with this.
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  Shows the weight some people in power gave it and it's
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  bipartisan now. Luna, Mace, Garcia, AOC on one
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  side, Rubio rounds Schumer on the other.
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  People across the spectrum saying we need answers.
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  Which means it's important for people listening, for citizens
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  to stay engaged and support those efforts, right?
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  Keep the pressure on. Absolutely.
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  Public interest fuels political will on issues like this.
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  Where does Joe Rogan land in all this?
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  He seems to go back and forth. Yeah, he embodies that tension.
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  I think he's fascinated, open minded, talks about the
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  compelling evidence, especially the tech aspects like the Tic
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  Tacs flight characteristics. But he also pumps the brakes,
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  considers terrestrial explanations, acknowledges the
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  high weirdness factor. He brings up historical
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  accounts, too. Ancient myths, Yeah.
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  Could they be related? It's that constant weighing of
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  evidence possibilities the technology reported, especially
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  in cases like 2004, is just so hard to explain conventionally.
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  So wrapping this up, the sheer amount of credible reports,
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  recent and historical, it just leaves you with huge questions.
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  Massive questions, are we looking at super advanced secret
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  human tech or are we dealing with non human intelligence?
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  Either way, the implications are just staggering.
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  It demands serious attention, serious investigation.
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  This push for transparency feels really important.
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  Maybe a turning point. It could be so, you know, for
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  everyone listening. Keep digging.
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  Look into these cases yourself. Read the reports, listen to the
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  witnesses where you can. Form your own informed opinions
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  because it's conversation. It's definitely not over.
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  Not by a long shot.