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The Magic of Channing Pollock #102 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Magic Guys podcast episode 102.
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This is the podcast where we talk about our lives as magicians,
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we interview amazing performers And sometimes we get amazing history lessons
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by my fellow magician next to me. We got Nick K.
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Hello, friends. I'm Nick K. On the mic.
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Hell yeah. I got it. I've since getting this new Rodecaster Pro,
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I've switched around the sounds and I keep going to hit this one and it's in
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a bloody different spot. God damn it.
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Well, it's the thing about rehearsals and we've spoken about this quite a lot,
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friends. And just so you guys know who are listening right now or watching here
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on the YouTube is that we do this live, uncut, uncircumcised.
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It is live and happening right now. We are Hooded Warriors.
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Unlike myself. Now, the good thing is as well, because it's live,
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we do it all live. And when we leave this live, there's nothing else to do.
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It goes up into the stratosphere.
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But also as nick was about to say it's good do we have we have
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some friends here that join us in this live shenanery exactly
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that's the joys i've been able to do it live it gives you guys an opportunity
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to chat to us ask questions when we are interviewing
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folks and we love when you guys join us every single
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week we have hudson in the house in the chat right now we got tim asking
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good to see you bud thomas conger he's pumped to
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be here and a good friend the magic buzz good to see you pal yeah from
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from canada we'll see you in february buddy i'll be up there doing some
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snowboarding so maybe we'll cross paths that'll be super exciting
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but thank you all for being here for what is going to
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be a very interesting history lesson do
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you go to canada just side note do you go to canada every year or do you switch
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countries that you go to snowing because i feel like oh no you were in new zealand
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last year i think around this time like i bounce around i bounce around a lot
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it depends it depends wherever we're having good good snow but i i seldom ever take a.
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Vacation in which I don't perform or work or go for a magic convention or something
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of those notions like this is the only time I'll do that and it's remarkable because,
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people ask me why don't you go somewhere warm get a tan because I'm
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for those listening I'm I'm not the most tan guy I'm very pale for what is effectively
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a tall Greek man when I should have like beautiful olive skin but instead I'm
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the type of guy that gets sunburned by firecrackers like I got sunburned on
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New Year's Eve so let's talk about that for a quick sec and then we're Going
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into this amazing history lesson.
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Now that I think about it, most magicians aren't tanned.
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Like, I remember seeing Joshua Jay go on Fool Us, and he had obviously gotten
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a tan for this TV appearance because he looked oddly...
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Darker and healthier and like tan because you
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know you ought to automatically look fresher and healthier and stuff when people
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see ever tan they think you're doing well in life and i just remember looking
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at it going whoa what the hell is going on here
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because i'm i'm you know as pale as they
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come and i think is it because we're always gigging at
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night and in the day we're tinkering away not in
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the sun i imagine so man i imagine that
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like you know we work a nine to five but not like everyone else does you
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know it's the type of thing where i don't know really people would
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get out on the weekends but we have administration to
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do whilst we're working we have quotes to do we have things to work
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on scripts to polish marketing to be done
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and then when the weekends come where people would ordinarily have the
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luxury of going out there and walking along the
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river or kite surfing or whatever you folks get up to when you're out there
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on your weekends we gotta go to work so we don't have that luxury of sort of
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like getting a tan i have a semi t-shirt turn at the moment because i've been
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doing some mountain biking and and a lot of exercise outdoors in preparation
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for my trip just to make sure I'm strong enough and don't have any sort of back
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pain and so forth because I am old.
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Yeah. So I don't imagine that's going to get much better. Yeah. Yeah.
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In the scheme of things, you're a spring chicken, mate. Try on, mate.
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But I am so keen to hear about this history lesson today. Nick,
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take it away. Let's begin.
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Channing Pollock was born. Dun, dun.
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Sorry. No, it's not. No, he's actually a brilliant man.
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So, Shannon Pollock was born on August 16th, 2026 in Sacramento, California.
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Now, details of his early family life remain kind of scarce,
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but he grew up in the Great Depression.
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It was a time that required resilience and shaped his character as it did many
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individuals in that era.
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Now, Pollock didn't exhibit any early inclination towards performing magic or the arts at all.
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He was known as a pretty reserved but observant young man, qualities that later
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became instrumental in his ability to captivate audiences with his understated elegance.
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In his early 20s, Pollock's life took a transformative turn when he discovered
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Professor Hoffman's Modern Magic.
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This book, first published in 1876, is considered in the history of magic like
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one of the most important books of magic.
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And it offers detailed instructions of sleight of hand, stage illusions,
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and the foundational principles for performing magic.
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Pollock became deeply inspired by the knowledge and the artistry laid out in the book.
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And it sparked a desire to pursue magic, not just the pastime,
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but as a very serious craft.
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Now, determined to master the art, Pollock enrolled at the Chavez School of Magic in Los Angeles.
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And I was very curious about this. So if you guys have questions about this
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School of Magic, it's kind of the first time I've stumbled upon it in my history lessons.
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If you would like a lesson on that or a history lesson for me to dive into that,
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let me know because I'm very curious to see what this Chavez School of Magic is about.
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And for those of you that don't know what it is, it's one of the most prestigious
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institutions for aspiring magicians. The school emphasizes precision,
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elegance, and theatrical elements for performance.
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Now, under the guidance of the school's founder, Ben Chavez.
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Pollock honed his technical skills and developed the graceful stage presence
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that would then become his signature.
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So Chavez's rigorous training program taught Pollock not just how to perform
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tricks, but how to transform magic into a compelling performance art.
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His dedication and disciplined approach stood out amongst his peers,
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earning him the respect as a magician with exceptional focus and potential.
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Imagine we had a school for magic in every state.
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There was one in Melbourne called the Magic School of Confidence ran by Anthony
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DeMazzi. We should probably get him on the show at some time.
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And it's really good for the youth pressing on.
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But I think it's equally as important for all of us. And I think that anyone
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who has an ego that you can't sit in a room amongst your peers and learn something,
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man, that is, that's not a healthy way to be. Don't you think, Josh?
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Yeah, I think that we, I don't know why we haven't had him on yet.
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Demasi, he's just a busy guy, I guess. He, he ran, I ran into him last in Townsville
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when I was performing at Showman in the theater and he happened to be running the,
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school holiday shows and we linked up and he just seemed
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like a great guy and i am always seeing
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him post stuff about this it's a hard gig like to teach
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people about the art of magic because a lot
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of people just flake off and go do other stuff like they're just there because
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it's something fun to do or like they just want to learn the next trick these
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are all things that i've kind of encountered when trying to go down that like
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teaching route and it's it's an honorable thing that he's doing.
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I think it would be so great if,
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he approached every pro in town, like every full-time guy, and was like,
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will you take on one student,
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for a month, two months, three months, and just let them reach out to you if
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they need it, and to show you stuff, and you give them drills.
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So at least that way, we've got this next generation of people who can say,
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I was mentored by Tim Ellis,
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Nick K, hey Liam Jumpert and all
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the other greats that are in town you know indigenous to the
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location I think that would be so cool for everyone to be able to
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learn something from each of us that could be a good idea
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I think I stumbled upon something it's a bloody great
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idea like imagine if you had a
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understudy come to all your gigs
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and maybe he's not necessarily doing the
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gigging but he's there like maybe he's helping you set up or
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something and then he's like observing the stuff
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that you do or maybe he is doing one or two things right at
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the end when it's you know and starting to get
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the the vibe of it especially for stage shows because then you you know i've
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done that with we would have a stage hand and they would get to see how it's
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all orchestrated and what the audience is really like in real life not just
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on a dvd when you learn a trick and they say it would be awesome.
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I actually do that. I do that for charity events. So the charity events,
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typically they, you know, they might freak out about budget a little bit,
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but they'll say like, we've got this much. You might ask for whatever you ask
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for, but whatever you get, I'll say to them, thank you.
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I'll accept that amount. In fact, I'll bring a second magician who's one of my proteges.
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I'll pay them out of my fee. Don't worry about it, but I want them to have some
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experience. And they go, that's amazing. I can't believe we get two people for
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the one price and we get to get you.
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So it's the kind of thing where, you know, they don't have to worry about
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the customer experience because they have a pro there that's going to ensure everyone has
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a good time but that's something for us to talk about another time
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but i think it's a really important thing that's a yeah that's
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a great idea too yeah and if you guys agree put it in the chat or
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you know we'll chat about it on discord but moving along so
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before stepping onto the stage shannon pollock served in the united states navy
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during world war ii this period of his life installed a discipline and work
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ethic that would later become the hallmarks of his magic career so the experience
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also gave him a broader of perspective of life, which would channel into his performances,
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emphasizing on precision and elegance over spectacle,
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which a lot of magicians should be focusing on.
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After serving in the US Navy during World War II, Channing married his childhood
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sweetheart, Naomi Phelps, who was a daughter of a preacher.
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Naomi soon became his partner on stage until the divorce in 1959.
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That marriage produced one son, which I didn't really find too much on.
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And what I did find wasn't overly exciting.
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So moving on to his second marriage.
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His second marriage was to Josephine Bolton, who he called Josie.
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She was from England and they got married on January 13th, 1960.
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Jay-Z, of course, became his onstage partner, but unfortunately they divorced later in 1968.
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And then he married a third time in January of 1969 and he married Corrine Shung.
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Guy gets around. Yeah, three marriages. like
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at what point do you go maybe it's me maybe i should work on myself well maybe
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my career is too demanding for me to have a life partner well it's kind of cool
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that he's like come along babe jump on board we're doing this together so that's
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kind of nice you know what i mean as she was,
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yeah so unless like i don't know maybe they were holding him back from his own
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dreams and progress and to which he was like you're either on board or you're
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not and she's like i'm out and he's like great number two and three and four
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and away he goes who who's next.
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But fair enough let's talk about let's talk about the beginning all right and
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and his road to stardom so chad and pollock's journey of stardom began in the
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early 1950s a decade that saw him transitioning from a promising magician into
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an international sensation his impeccable sense of style,
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coupled with his innovative approach to magic,
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made him one of the most celebrated performers of his era.
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Now, central to his success was the development of his iconic Dove Act,
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a performance that redefined magic and theatrical art form.
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Now, it's probably what he's most known for, this Dove Act.
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Now, the foundation of Pollock's Dove Act was late during his time at the Chevelle
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School of Magic, where he first learned the techniques for producing live animals
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as part of his performance.
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However, Pollock didn't merely replicate what he was taught.
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He elevated it through painstaking practice
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he refined the techniques ensuring that
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every move was seamless and natural his goal
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was to create an illusion so flawless that it would appear as though doves were
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materializing out of thin air and if anyone's ever seen some of his performances
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on youtube by all means scope it out it's a good seven minute act with a mixture
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of other techniques but it's to me one of the most perfect looking dove acts
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i've ever seen now the dove became Pollock's signature.
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With his tailored tuxedo, slick black hair, and elegant movements,
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he would produce doves from scarves and even thin air.
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Unlike the boisterous and theatrical performances of many magicians of that
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time, Pollock's act was understated and refined.
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The beauty of the act lay in its simplicity.
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No flashy props, no elaborate backdrops, just skill and artistry.
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And if you haven't seen it it is you just
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you don't see him take like i've seen
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many dove acts i've studied a lot of this and you
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can see when the guys are loaded up and their hands kind of stuck to their chest
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because they've they've loaded into the pool to produce the dove and it's just
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like yep he's stuck he's stuck it just doesn't happen with pollock it's stunning
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absolutely stunning now pollock's rise to fame was propelled by appearances on television in 1954.
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He performed his dub act on The Ed Sullivan Show, one of the most popular programs of its time.
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The performance was a revelation.
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Audiences were captivated by Pollock's charisma, grace, and sheer elegance of magic.
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The show introduced him to millions of viewers, instantly catapulting him into national fame.
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Pollock's television appearances weren't just showcases of his talent,
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they were masterclasses in presentation. His ability to perform flawlessly under
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the scrutiny of live cameras demonstrated the depth and precision of his skill.
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And just in a moment ago, for those watching on YouTube, he showed some of his performance there.
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And it's just exceptional.
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Let's see if it will focus. Come on. Now, that clip you're actually seeing right
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now is actually in color, and that's actually from a movie that he was starring
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in, which I'll mention now as part of his international stardom.
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Because as his fame grew, Pollock began performing internationally.
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His dove act resonated with audiences worldwide, earning him standing ovations
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across theaters all over Europe, Asia, and the Americas.
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In the 1950s, he became one of the first magicians to be invited at the London
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Palladium, a venue synonymous with world-class entertainment.
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His performances then solidified his stature as an international star.
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Pollock's performances also attracted the attention of Hollywood.
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So directors and producers were drawn to his movie star looks and magnetic stage presence.
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Leading to roles in movies like Mardi Gras. That was in 1958.
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While those roles expanded his fame, they also started to highlight his primary passion for magic.
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So we'll get into his movie career a little bit later on.
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There's a little bit more that I want to talk about because when I was doing
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this, it was just constantly being celebrated that he was just doing Dove Act stuff.
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And I knew that his depth of character and skillset was sort of beyond that.
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So I kind want to touch upon the most prominent skill
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sets that he had so while the dove act was
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undoubtedly his most iconic contribution to
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magic it was only the it wasn't the
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only routine in his repertoire pollock was a
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consummate performer who applied his skill and elegance and precision
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to various acts each marked by
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the distinctive style now let's explore some of
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those now so pollock's mastery of card
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manipulation was legendary his routines involved
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efforts like productions and disappearance of playing playing cards executed
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with the fluidity that mark the slides and they just look they look second nature
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like when you see it in the videos his split fans are stunning i was genuinely
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fooled by the ditches and and and him getting extra stacks of cards when i saw
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in his performance in one particular famous sequence he would actually produce
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an endless stream of cards from thin air,
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tossing them gracefully into a top hat or onto a table.
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The beauty of his car manipulation routine lay in their simplicity.
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Unlike other magicians who use complex props or distractions.
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Pollock performed with this minimalistic elegance.
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His routines were silent, relying solely on his skill and stage presence to
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captivate the audiences.
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This act, or these acts rather often served as the perfect compliment to his
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Dove Act productions, creating a seamless bend.
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Let me say that again, creating a seamless blend of magic that showcased his technical brilliance.
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When you watch him back palm.
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And show the front and back of a stock of
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cards it's so perfect and he
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flashes nothing there's no white gloves it's just
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the most perfect technique man and for someone
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who dabbles in most every facet of
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magic should i ever need it it's it's beautiful and.
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His hands are gorgeous you know when you see a magician with hands you're like damn those
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hands are gorgeous like for magic you know i mean
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like i had beautiful hands as well for magic you
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know his whole body looked gorgeous like
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when you look at the dude like in that
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clip i was trying to play that wouldn't let me his like
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full head of hair slicked back like
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looks tan looks like he's in
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shape in a fitted suit looks like
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looks a bit like a greek god kind of vibe and
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you're just like magicians don't look like that anymore
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no we're totally we're totally we're totally
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getting gay forgot about pollock this is great like it's
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yeah it's like what man i
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can i can see why he did so well is what i'm saying that
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on top of like amazing skills is.
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Just crazy like if he was
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a magician today he would still i
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believe get so much attention with the current
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acts he does obviously people might have a certain
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opinion these days on dove work but still just like
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his vibe he carries himself with
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as a magician and his amazing skill
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set like he would still freaking slay today that's absolutely yeah now as well
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as the carbonip pollock also performed routines involving silk handkerchiefs
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a classic staple of stage magic for sure but his handling of the silks was refined
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was as refined as his other acts.
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Emphasizing on smooth transitions and flawless execution, whether making silks
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appear from the ampy hand or transforming them into other objects or vanishing them entirely.
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Pollock's approach to these effects were the same level of artistry as his amazing dove act.
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And one thing that I really liked that he does, you'll see in a video that when
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he needs a silk, he has his assistant come over and she's got these little flowers
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that are kind of on her dress.
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And every time she comes over, he just grabs one of the flowers and it just unravels as a silk.
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And I'm like, I've only ever seen one other magician do that and that was Lee
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Cohen and she had it in her hair. It looked like a flower and then she would
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produce a silk from it. And it's so gorgeous.
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It's such a pretty silk thing. And yeah, we should probably look into where that comes from.
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But it's always hard to find stuff on silks, man. I don't know why it is.
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There's no kind of definitive...
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Work that i know or we're gonna have to ask dad for this one daddy doug 100 yeah i remember.
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Ages ago i saw you could buy and you probably still
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can a like wired rose and so
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that you can put your silk around it and it looked like
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a rose and then you could pull it out to become the
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silk i remember seeing that like maybe
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10 years ago didn't think anything of it and
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for years i would take my silk to do my bottle production
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just out of like my back pocket or my inner jacket and then
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it wasn't until i had a
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consulting session with adamata who creates a
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lot of magic in australia for theater productions and stuff like harry potter
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and i think he's just completed the siegfried and roid production if you don't
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know who adamata is and i was having to to tailor this presentation for a company
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and he's like all right let's look at your routine and he started with the bottle production.
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I'm like, ah, you know, I've done this for like eight years.
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It's all good. He's like, okay, we're just running through it.
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And I'm like, all right. So I take the silk out.
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He's like, where is the silk coming from? I'm like, oh, my back pocket.
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He's like, put it, make it your pocket hang.
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Like, why would, why would you have to take a silk from somewhere else?
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Like it would make sense for it to be there. And oh, I'm going to use my pocket hang for this effect.
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Like it should already be there. And I'm like, okay, wow, that's crazy.
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I'm like, all right, how do you light the flash paper?
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I'm like, I just grab a lighter out of my pocket. He's like.
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No, you should have your lighter on a pull so that all you have to do is just
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relax your hand and you're basically coming in contact with the lighter.
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So now you don't have to do that extra hand in pocket, come back out thing.
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And after you've lit it, you can just let go of the lighter and it pulls back to your side pocket.
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I'm like, this is genius. So I would love to take it further and I should really
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look at that, that flower thing because it's, it's kind of like the flower you
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would see a groomsman with on their wedding day,
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like how they would have a set of flowers, I guess,
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on top of, on top of their jacket, like a little bit higher than their,
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their pocket. There is a word for that.
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I want to say cravat, but I don't think that's the word because the cravat is
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like the fabric thing, but there is a kind of, yeah.
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Someone in this chat will know that, and thank you chat. We'll bring it up.
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And last thing, the lighter pull that I'm referring to, it's a common thing
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you can actually buy from smoke shops because people will put them on their
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belt and stuff like that.
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And I hook it into the inner ticket pocket. I think it's called of your suit
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jacket, like the little pocket at the bottom. I just clip it onto there.
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Scotty P saying corsage. I feel like corsage might be.
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That is the right word? I think so. Yeah. Now, I had a friend of mine who had
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a wedding recently. I had the pleasure of being a groomsman.
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He's actually really well versed in origami.
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And so you can see here on the screen that he made these beautiful little flowers
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that he actually did these all by hand.
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He did every bouquet, every bouquet was like made of napkins,
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you know, and like all of the decorations on each table, like he 3d printed them himself.
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Like he really, like he just spent like a year just putting all this stuff together.
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And it's great because like people get to keep these now. And I love this.
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Like I keep this here in my home.
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Like I think I might put it in the fridge, but it's just great.
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The level of creativity people can go from.
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So yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So back to it friends. Yeah. Oh, and nothing.
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Sorry. Sorry, Tim Askin also mentioned lapel rose, which also does come up as a viable name.
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And then I just Googled it. Someone else has called it a rose boutonniere.
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Boutonniere? Bougie.
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Boutonniere. Anyway. Boutonniere. Talking about stuff why I know nothing about.
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That's why we have history like this to learn.
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Now, another notable routine in Pollock's repertoire was his cigarette manipulation
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act, a popular form of magic in the mid-20th century.
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So, he would produce, vanish, multiply cigarettes with astonishing precision.
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This routine required exceptional dexterity and control, which Pollock possessed in abundance.
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It was also reinforced, his image, as a polished, sophisticated performer.
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I guess smoking was very elegant in those days, or tailored cigarettes would have been anyway, so...
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Yeah, now, what set Pollock apart wasn't just the effects he performed,
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but how he performed them.
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His routines were often accompanied by dramatic lighting, music,
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and impeccable tailored appearance.
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Pollock understood that the magic was as much about creating the mood as it
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was about executing the tricks.
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His acts weren't just performances, they were experiences.
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Designed to leave the audience in awe, not only with the illusions,
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but also with the performer himself.
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I agree with that. Now, one of the defining features of Pollock's routine was his use of silence.
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Unlike many magicians of his time who relied on the patter or comic sort of
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commentary, Pollock allowed the magic to speak for itself.
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This choice added to his mystique of his performances, giving him an almost cinematic quality.
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And his ability to command attention without saying a single word was a testament
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to his charisma and skill. You know who else has that amazing skill?
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My friend teller yes that's a good point in fact somebody asked if you had to compare,
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channing pollock to someone today who would it be lance burton oh perfect you
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nailed it yeah yeah yeah so if you're familiar with like and you'll you'll see
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the sort of remnants of that in the influences which i'll touch upon a little
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later in the um in the report, so back to it.
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While the Dove actor remains his most celebrated routine, Channing Pollock's
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performances were a tapestry of effect that highlighted his versatility.
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His car manipulation, silk work, and cigarette routines were all combined into
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his reputation, making him this amazing magician who elevated the art through
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precision, elegance, and restraint.
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But by the mid-1950s, Pollock did actually firmly establish himself as one of
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the most celebrated magicians and.
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Ended up doing movies so pollock's move
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to hollywood was wasn't entirely surprising at
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the time many entertainers were kind of sought after into this
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this realm but his natural charisma made him a prime candidate and producers
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were particularly drawn to his ability to command attention without words an
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attribute that had been perfected through his many years of performing the silent
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magic acts now pollock made his first debut in 1958 in a musical comedy called are Mardi Gras.
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It starred alongside Pat Boone and Christine, I'm going to do my best to pronounce this, Garriera.
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Damn it. I hope I nailed that one.
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In the film, Pollock played a suave nightclub magician, a role that mirrored his real life persona.
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His performance was well received,
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and the critics noted his screenplay presence as very sophisticated.
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Through this role in Mardi Gras, it didn't involve complex acting or challenges,
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but it showcased his ability to transitioned from stage to
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film the experience also gave him a taste of
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hollywood life further fueling other interest in
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acting so i made a short list
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of sort of all the appearances that he'd been on
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right so in 1963 there was a
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movie called udex i'm oh it might be pronounced in a french word it's g j-u-d-e-x
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i don't know if it's judeau but it was directed by george's franiel So it's
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a very French film And he portrayed the title character of this It was basically a vigilante.
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Very, very funky film I did see some of it And if you do a little Google on
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some of these things It was hilarious It was like leaving a calling card,
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For robbing people and so forth In these movies that you see.
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There was Musketeers of the Sea. That was in 1962, which was an Italian adventure film.
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There was The Red Sheik in 1962, where Pollock portrayed this character called Riz.
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There was Bonanza, which was a TV show that was in 1971.
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And in that, it was kind of funny. He was basically like a sheik.
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And he was trying to convince he had real magical powers to the Native Americans of the time.
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And they were like, hey, there's a string on this thing. Here's crap.
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And the same thing with Daniel Boone. That was in 1966, where Pollux appeared
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in the adventure series of Daniel Boone, which I believe was a kind of spaghetti western type show.
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But what I love about this, right, is the only other person I could think,
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well, you know, at that time when people were going from their original skill
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set, or let's just say their like native skill set, like being magic to the screen.
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Then the other person i could think at that time that was kind of doing that was
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big elvis because elvis was like so good
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at singing they let him act and he was in a bunch of movies in which he wasn't
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entirely awesome but he did star in them i wonder if pollock do you think he
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made more money from being an actor or from being a magician that's a good question
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i don't i don't think he did.
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Because I was trying to look that up, but I couldn't, you know,
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obviously with the times being what they were, it wasn't really documented,
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but I did find this excerpt in my research and it said, during his Hollywood
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years, Pollock didn't abandon magic entirely.
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He continued to perform occasionally, often incorporating elements of his magic
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persona into his film roles.
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However, the demands of acting and the competitive nature of the film industry.
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Eventually led him to focus more on his new career path.
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So Pollock's transition from acting right
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and then he basically was like nah nah as
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in he went back to magic well he never
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really became a major film star his time in Hollywood
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added another dimension to his legacy which is nice but yeah
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he he proved that a magician could successfully cross
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over into other forms of entertainment paving the way for future performances
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to do the same but Pollock often reflected on
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his time in Hollywood years as a time of growth and experimentation so
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I don't think he considers it a success and in
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interviews he emphasized that his goal was never to be was never
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to leave magic behind but to explore how his
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skill sets can then translate into other mediums and
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it's got to be weird too because you're going from performing
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like going to a theater setting up going run through
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basically you're doing a lot of it yourself as well but
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then going to a film set where you just got to sit and wait
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for 10 hours and then do your
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bit for an hour then reset and it's so slow
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and then you got to wait a year for it to come out and it's probably such a
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weird structure compared to how we go about performing and stuff man i really
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struggle to understand how people can like film for two months and then it takes
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like a year and a half for the movie to come out like it's i mean nowadays it's
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probably that's that would be more of the timeline but i think back then,
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things were pretty, I imagine popped out pretty quickly.
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You reckon it was faster? I don't think they had to polish every single frame like they need to.
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I know that even now, special effects are constantly applied to get rid of a wrinkle and eyelash.
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Even just to be able to distribute the movie to everywhere in America,
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to copy it onto whatever, 200, I don't know how many cinemas there were back then.
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But let's say you know hundreds of you gotta copy hundreds of the film tape
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get it to all the cinemas get it orchestrate the release date they're gonna
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probably do a press tour on horseback.
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To like make it popular for people
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to want to see it it'll be interesting to see how they used to promote films
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back then but you know it still take a while but yeah
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it's not like they're making avatar where it's going to take three years
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to edit every frame film and
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make and yeah and that's the thing when you're when you're doing
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things with the level of cgi that we do things now i
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guess it is going to take time but it's sort of going to be crazy what ai
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is doing right now i'm getting so inundated with
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the amount of stupid ai based there's aliens
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there's aliens it's like don't don't do that show
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the real stuff because you're muddying the waters a friend
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a friend sent me a clip of an america's
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got talent clip and the woman is producing snakes
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out of nowhere and then she turns into one at the end and
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he's like how the hell is this being done and
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i'm like well there's a big ai sticker at the
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bottom of that video like it is
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fake and it's like oh right got you yeah anything happened with me a client
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did that a client sent it to me it was like i think it was like a bear and a
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chick and they transformed and it was like this girl's gorgeous how did she
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do that and i was like pretty because what they do is they splice it with images from.
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America's got talent and the judges reacting yeah and it's like wow look at
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this gorgeous act turning into a bear you know or turning into an owl it's like
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it's so funny like it's so funny like because jack rhodes our friend friend of the podcast he.
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His channel, his YouTube channel event originally blew up because he would edit
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himself into Australia's Got Talent clips, but he would do it as a parody where
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he would go on and just do like this and then the judges would freak out.
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And I love that. But someone could, you could 100%, if you're good at editing,
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edit yourself into Australia's Got Talent, America's Got Talent, whatever.
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And if you do it well enough and bounce back to what the judges are saying and stuff,
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no one's going to question it because like there's so
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many clips out there i've got talent clips you can't
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actually look up like who was or
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wasn't on you know or what season like a
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client isn't gonna know like i'm not saying you should do this
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because you shouldn't but if you have the skills like you could
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probably edit yourself in to show that you've freaking
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won belgium's got talent and clients
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wouldn't know isn't that so bizarre that
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the world we live in you could say is yeah
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i was in fast and furious nine you're just standing on the
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sidewalk you just superimpose yourself as the car drives by yeah man the world
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is bizarre so okay beyond the spotlight by the mid 1960s chan pollock began
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to step away from a limelight after achieving global fame as both a magician and an actor,
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he decided to leave the stage and screen to focus on a quieter,
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more introspective life.
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His decision reflected a shift in priorities as he transitioned from high-profile
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world of entertainment to pursuits that were more deeply personal and more meaningful to him.
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Pollock officially retired from professional magic in the early 1960s,
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having set a new standard for elegance and sophistication in magic,
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he felt he had accomplished everything he set out to do.
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Similarly, his acting career, while successful, was never his primary passion,
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and he gradually distanced himself from the film industry as well.
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Pollock's retirement wasn't prompted
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by disillusionment, but rather by a desire to have a simpler life.
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He had always valued the art of magic more than the fame it brought,
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and stepping away from it allowed him to reconnect with the aspects of his life that he held dear.
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That'd be a nice feeling. I can't imagine not doing it, dude. Doing magic.
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I don't think we ever stop. Like, how can we? It's just...
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Also, I think on a side note, when you get older, like, it's probably important
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to keep doing magic because it keeps your brain firing and thinking and staying
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sharp, you know? You think?
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I think. Because, you know, things
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like losing your memory and getting
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old and and and slower is only
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because your brain isn't like you know people retire and then
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they just some people are just
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at home and they're just you know zoning out and they just lose that
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sort of sharpness because they're not challenging their
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brain anymore and so like that's why i
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feel so many magicians you see so many
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old magicians and they're still doing magic
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and stuff and i think it's because your
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brain's still like continuously like learning new
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stuff having to think and and and yeah
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do you think that's young do you think there's like
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a stigma about that in which it's like oh look at this poor old fella he has
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to work doing this like you know what do you mean if you're doing gigs and you're
37:08
yeah do you think do you think that there's a sort of level of judgment or there's
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a perception that the that the public have or your spectators would be looking at this being like,
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you should be doing this, do you think?
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I don't think anyone looks at Michael Amar and just goes, stop, man, stop, enough.
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Like, I don't think anyone would do that. I don't think anyone looks at Penn
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and Teller and goes, you guys are too old for this. You know, you should stop.
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Yeah. And look, they might be the enigma of this, but, you know,
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they've sold out their Australian tour.
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Like, Sandy bought me tickets to see them at the end of this month, I think it is.
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And she could only buy me a ticket because they
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only had little individual tickets spread out through the theater you know they're
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in their 70s so that's not a thing copperfield still pumping out how however
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many shows i guess in the sense i was referring to was like you might not be.
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Performing professionally like you're probably not doing holy moly residencies
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at that age but But you're still socially performing and stuff and doing magic is what I meant.
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I don't know if every 70-year-old should still be working gigs because,
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yeah, seeing a 75-year-old roving at your wedding, you may have thoughts about that.
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You would just gracefully change your environment for that situation, obviously.
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You know what? I'm going to agree with what you're saying because there is a
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particular magician in our town who was kind of the Lance Burden of his time.
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And my old business
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partner used to do his tours back when he was like in his early 20s and so forth
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and he he was telling me all these all these crazy things he had set up on stage
38:52
is like oh there's a length of thread every few feet and this and this and this
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and he would do this thing and then i sat up as at this magician and i said like hey,
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He was telling me stories of touring with you. What's this trick that uses this
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setup? And he goes, I'm really sorry. I wish I could remember.
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He goes, but they're just getting the best of me. And I was like,
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that's kind of upsetting.
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You know what I mean? How many beautiful secrets are going to leave with him?
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Well, let's make a pact. If you think you're going to slip into this realm of dementia and so forth,
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like do you do you promise to like just post all your
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thoughts and and ideas and creations like on youtube
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yeah 100 well i think like doing
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mnemonica work every show i do it
39:41
keeps my brain like just running over time so
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much so that i think like i'm hoping that's what will
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prevent me from losing my mind but absolutely
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yeah we're just maybe we make a video vault of
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like all yeah our magic secrets and it
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gets released if yeah if we can't remember it ourselves anymore you
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know what's fun it's so funny like even now i'm worried about me not being able
40:04
to remember everything all the time so for example rubik's cubes right if you
40:10
take a few weeks off solving a cube it's very possible you'll forget one little
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algorithm because for the most part you learn it and then it becomes muscle memory.
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You're not really thinking about the permutations.
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And every now and then... Can I tell you a point? This happened to me.
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I was exhausted. I was working a nine to five and doing magic at the same time.
40:32
And I was doing like six, seven days a week. And I was robbed of sleep a couple
40:35
of times just due to some circumstances and I guess shitty girlfriends.
40:41
And I remember getting to this gig and I had to reset a cube and I'm looking
40:44
at the top layer and I could not...
40:47
Could not remember how to do it. I just couldn't remember. I had to call a student
40:51
and be like, what's the algorithm for the top one?
40:55
And then I was like, thank you. And then I went and did the act.
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The act was engraved, but just like, you know what I mean?
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I know exactly what you mean. And it happened to me as well.
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The very last set of permutations to finish it, I just, yeah. So it happened to me.
41:10
I was, I don't know where I was, but I was like, I was just looking at it going,
41:14
went, oh my God, I don't know how to solve this last bit.
41:18
And, and I was like, the hell's going on here? And I just couldn't remember. And I was kind of stuck.
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So what I've done since then is I made a Rubik's cube solving tutorial,
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which I've posted on YouTube, which anyone can go and learn from.
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I think it's at a thousand views or something, but it's mainly for myself.
41:36
So when I forget the last permutation, cause it's also, it's also chapter marked,
41:42
like for each stage that you're up to it's actually very useful as
41:45
a resource but i would say two or three
41:48
times i've just had a brain fart like pre before
41:52
the show i've gone oh my god i just for some
41:55
reason forgotten that algorithm again and i just watch myself and i teach myself
42:00
how to do it again i'm like oh yeah of course so it's not a bad idea to have
42:07
a video vault of your secrets for when you do forget or you've gone such on
42:10
a tangent on other magic that you've forgotten about this little thing.
42:14
There's probably stuff we already have forgotten that we used to do ages ago or something.
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But yeah, cube magic is a fickle thing.
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And so having a cheat sheet on you or a video where you teach yourself.
42:26
Yeah, has already become super helpful to me. Yeah, I have a list of...
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My effects in a spreadsheet and they're sort of you know
42:34
set up by the time it takes to perform them
42:37
whether they're stage close-up blah appropriate if
42:40
they could be done in the surround and so forth so if ever i'm
42:43
sort of like okay i gotta do an act for a corporate coming up and this
42:46
is the staging setup like i got a reference point
42:49
and i hadn't updated it in a very long time and i went back and
42:52
i saw all these effects that i had been creating over time and i
42:54
was like oh my god i can't remember how to do my card at any color i
42:57
have a card at any color gimmick thing that I made yeah it's
43:00
really really rad and I was just like I grabbed
43:03
the gaff out and I was like how the do I do this because
43:07
it's a it's memory based it's so difficult
43:10
so difficult and I've shared it with people and then I was like okay done and
43:13
then I moved on with my life and it's like I'm gonna have to archive things
43:17
better but speaking archiving let's get back to our history lesson shall we
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after leaving the entertainment world Pollock moved to I'm gonna do my best to pronounce this,
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San Luis Obispo, that's O-B-I-S-P-O, Obispo, in California, where he embarked on a quieter lifestyle.
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He purchased a ranch and dedicated himself to working the land.
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Pollock's love for nature became a defining feature for his later years,
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and he reportedly found immense joy in tending to his animals and living in
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harmony with the natural world.
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This phase of his life was a stark contrast to
43:54
the glamour of his years in magic and in hollywood but
43:57
it brought us it brought him a sense of peace and fulfillment
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pollock rarely gave interviews during this time choosing
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to instead just enjoy his
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downtime and let his past work speak for itself what a
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thug move pollock's personal
44:16
life also also went significant changes
44:19
during this period his first marriage which ended
44:22
in divorce and then in 59 when
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he married joan broadshaw actress and producer their
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relationship so yeah he actually remarried again after
44:32
kareem so four oh yeah yeah yeah his first marriage ended in divorce but to
44:40
her then he married someone called joan bradshaw it was she was a hollywood
44:45
actress and producer i looked her up she's gorgeous their relationship reflected
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pollock's evolving priorities.
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And as the two shared a love for a quieter existence, they tend to be a much better match.
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And Pollock and Shaw spent the later years together in the ranch,
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creating a life that was far removed from the spotlight as possible.
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Their marriage was marked as a mutual support and a shared appreciation for
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the simpler joys in life.
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Now, though Pollock retired from performing, he remained a deeply respected
45:17
figure in the magic community.
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He occasionally attended magic conventions and events where he was celebrated
45:24
trailblazer who elevated magic to this art form.
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Pollock never sought to capitalize on his legacy, instead offering quiet mentorship
45:35
and inspiration to those who admire him.
45:38
Pollock often spoke of magic as more than entertainment.
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It was, to him, an expression of beauty and artistry.
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He believed the greatest magic wasn't in the tricks themselves,
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but in the feelings they invoked in the audience.
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This philosophy shaped not only his career, but also his life after the spotlight.
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Channing Pollock, renowned for his elegance and innovation in magic,
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inspired many in the magic community.
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While he didn't formally mentor specific individuals, his influence is evident
46:07
in the works of many prominent magicians.
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Notably, Lance Burton, as I mentioned earlier, a celebrated magician known for his Dove Act.
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And his acknowledgement to Pollock is immense. He says it quite a lot,
46:21
and he thanks him a lot for the stuff in his career.
46:23
And Burton's performance reflects that sophistication and that style that was,
46:28
I guess, sort of started, projected by Pollock.
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So that makes sense why you brought him up, because he actually was influenced by him.
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So that makes sense that he's like the guy you would say he's most like in today's day and age. Yeah.
46:46
Now, similarly, similarly, similarly, I'm going to have a drink of water. God damn it. similarly.
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Red leather yellow leather similarly David Copperfield one of them you might be heard of him hmm,
47:04
We call him Uncle Dave. No. DC.
47:10
One of the most famous illusionists globally has cited Pollock as an inspiration.
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Copperfield's emphasis on the theatrical and seamless execution of his illusions
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mirrors the standards that Pollock set during his career.
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Now, for those interested in learning more about Pollock's life and contribution,
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there is a biography called Chenin Pollock, Master of Magic by Michael Pascoe
47:32
and offers a more in-depth exploration into this sort of thing.
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I just wanted to touch upon it for the sake of the pod.
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But the book dives into his early inspiration, his rigorous training,
47:42
and the legacy he left behind, providing readers with a more detailed understanding
47:47
of the man than what we sort of covered in this.
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So if you want to find out more, by all means, scope out Channing Pollock,
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Master of Magic by Michael Pascoe.
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In later years, Pollock enjoyed the peaceful life in the ranch in California
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near Moss Beach, surrounded by nature and his loved ones.
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While he no longer performed, his contributions to magic and his influence on
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the future of generations of magicians was ensured to carry his legacy.
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And Channing Pollock, on March 8th, 2006, at the ripe old age of 76, passed away.
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His death marked the end of an era, but his impact on magic and entertainment continues to be felt.
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He's remembered as a true artist who brought elegance sophistication and a unique
48:33
sense of wonder to everything he did chenna pollock was more than just a magician or an actor,
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He was an artist who performed and transformed everybody.
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Let me say that again. He was an artist who transformed every performance into
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an experience of elegance and wonder.
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From his groundbreaking dove act and captivating people on screen,
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Pollock redefined the standards of sophistication in entertainment.
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He showed the world that magic wasn't just about the tricks.
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It was about the artistry, the presence, and the ability to leave his audience mesmerized.
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Pollock's legacy lives on not only through his performances but also through
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the countless magicians he inspired,
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his influence can be seen in the elegance and the perfectivity that's a shit
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word and the perfect through his elegance and excellent execution of sleight
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of hand that's a much better way of writing that.
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The silence of a breakthrough illusion and the confidence of the performer who
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dared to blend magic with artistry.
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As we reflect on his life, we thank Channing Pollack for his immeasurable contributions to magic.
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He elevated the craft through the beauty on stage and left a legacy that continues
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to inspire generations of magicians and entertainers.
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His life reminds us of the power of dedication, discipline, and the relentless pursuit of excellence.
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Thank you, Channing Pollack, for the magic you shared with the world.
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Your elegance, artistry will never be forgotten.
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Music.
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So the moral of that story is be really good yeah
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be so good that people can't ignore
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you yeah you know i i really got to agree with like when you give people that
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experience and it's so many times where you create an environment especially
50:34
when you do it in the realms that i perform in my environment's obviously very
50:37
noisy in these roving setups or anything like that or.
50:41
And you want to give them that perfect moment and then it just takes the
50:44
waiter to come by and put a drink on the table to ruin everything you
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know what i mean like it's it's it's one
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of those things that isn't really talked about but the thing
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is the dichotomy i find is that if you try to control the
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environment and can't it just
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it gets so difficult and more importantly if
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you like rely on it and without the perfect
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environment you don't have the effect it's so
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difficult because it's those people who
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are like no the environment has to be perfect the stage
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has to be higher the room has to be darker i need
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more lights here it's like well i don't
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know man like i i have
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thoughts on it too it does matter like
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yeah the environment the framing everything that
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happens their experience before they've sat
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down to watch the show it all matters like when
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you go to the cinema like there's a very different vibe even though
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it's a big screen like you're buying your popcorn you've bought
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your ticket you've dressed up probably you've walked in
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it gets dark you know it's a
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whole experience before you see a movie right and in the same way it i guess
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i'm talking in terms of like if you're putting on your own show where you're
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able to control yeah more stuff it primes the audience way more for the show
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perfect example we talked about this off air.
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I did three shows at the Theater of Magic last week and one of the shows was
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just off the chain from the audience.
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So much so that when The Amazing Nigel intro'd me to come on the stage,
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the audience gave me a standing ovation applause as I was coming onto the stage.
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When I hadn't done any magic yet. Do you know what that does to your psyche?
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You're like, what are you guys on that's making you get this hyped for magic
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when I have not done anything yet? It was the wildest thing.
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And then amazingly, and I'm so grateful, you know, they enjoyed the show,
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but then they gave me another standing ovation to end.
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And it was like, that doesn't happen at corporate gigs, you know,
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when you fit, like they've gone through a whole cycle of stuff that we planned
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out so that they're primed and ready to enjoy magic.
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And when i go to a corporate gig i definitely do have a stage writer which says
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like you know don't have a dance floor in front of the stage have the audience
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as close as possible don't make me perform don't have me perform during food
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service all that stuff of course we'll do our best,
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regardless of you know what environment we're given but all these things are
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just like as a strong suggestion like i always say to the client like.
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All these things are not demands these are things that
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i've found will give your audience the best experience
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possible if you can accommodate for them
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i'll do my job no matter what but like this would
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give them the best show and so
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it definitely matters but then yeah if
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you had a roving gig and the waiter comes and puts
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the oh does anyone want
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this and you're just about to reveal like a massive
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part of their routine obviously yeah like that sucks for
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the audience's experience of the magic but which is
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so funny because i'm just a video is just
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being edited of mine to come out soon of like that.
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Moment when the caterers interrupt you and i
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had one it could be the drunk it could be like the drunk
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friend of the girl oh yeah really heartfelt piece for
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she comes up it's gonna i'm a god love this song like
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there's nothing i'd say yeah i'll tell you what you could be mid-routine and
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then if they play taylor swift and everyone starts singing just take
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your shit and leave honestly like it's just yeah i also
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think it's like i don't i don't have any
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proof of this but i i'll but i mean i've seen the
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audiences at the magic castle and that
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that's not real life the way that people react and are amazed at magic at the
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magic castle is so inflated because of how magical the place is yeah that i
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think some magicians might get stuck that a regular performance there see all
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these amazing audiences reacting at every single.
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Three-fly routine they do and then they go and do a corporate
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gig and they get a totally different response because they're
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not at the magic castle i reckon
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it would mess with some people's heads like the fact that
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they can do and any card at any number at the castle and
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just people lose their minds and then they do it in the real
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world and people are like why is this trick taking so long like
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you know framing is
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everything yeah well that's
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the thing man when you can when you can create that sort of environment that really
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can encompass everything and bring it all into one realm
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and bring that focus like it's such a cool moment you know
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yeah but it's also a talent yeah 100
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you know great example i've seen
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the clip of you doing coins across at gigs
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right on your instagram magic looks great people react but then i've seen you
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and obviously we put a clip out of it but i've watched you do it at the theater
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of magic and the whole audience like lost their mind for like quite a while
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you know you doing the same effect the only difference is in the theater of magic,
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everyone has all the attention on you because there's nothing else happening around them.
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Yeah. And that's the thing, right? That's one of the things,
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like if you are cutting your teeth in an environment where you've got to demand
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attention and hold attention...
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Versus when you step into a realm like the theater of magic and the attention's already there,
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man it really slays but i think that if you were used to
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having attention like handed to you so to speak and then
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you were pushed into an environment where you have to demand it almost and
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what i'm what i mean demanded it's like demanded over the dj
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the hors d'oeuvres every other person walking
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around you you know as you as you approach a circle of friends you
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know like it is skill set almost you know totally different approach
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it's like stand-up comics you know once
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they built up their audience and they tour and do their own shows eventually
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they have to still go and
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do open mics just to keep the their quickness for an audience that isn't already
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won over by them yep yeah and the light just went off which tells me we're almost
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at the end of uh almost at the end of an episode i think i just didn't turn
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the power onto it that's no that that's that's our one minute call before we have to wrap up.
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know we'll be a surprise you don't
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