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Sharri | 11 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News Venus Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a dark day for America as Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 3: is assassinated in broad daylight. We'll cross live to the
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Speaker 3: scene where it's just gone four am and a massive
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Speaker 3: manhunt is now underway for the killer. Amit a global
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Speaker 3: outpouring of grief? One of Kirk's friends, Jane Zirkle, would
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Speaker 3: join us to talk about his passion for family and faith,
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Speaker 3: and fellow high profile commentator Brendan O'Neil will be on
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Speaker 3: the show to break down the left media's unforgivable reaction
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Speaker 3: to this shocking political assassination. Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplus and
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Speaker 3: Dave Sharma will also be here for local reaction and
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Speaker 3: to talk about Liberal party disunity in the wake of Enterprise's.
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Speaker 2: Axing from shadow cabinet.
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Speaker 3: But first, a political assassination of a father of a
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Speaker 3: young American, a Christian, an orator, an intellectual, a conservative powerhouse,
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Speaker 3: a rising star, perhaps even a future president. Charlie Kirk's
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Speaker 3: cruel murder at just thirty one has shocked the world.
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Speaker 3: It is deeply heartbreaking. Here's the moment in bright Sunshine
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Speaker 3: with Kirk in his element that the horrific public execution,
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Speaker 3: unfolded and just awarding the footage is distressing, bouncing or
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Speaker 3: not counting day. It's an act of violence that none
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Speaker 3: of us will ever forget. It changed the world as
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Speaker 3: we know it. A close friend of the president's Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: addressed the nation saying it was a dark moment for America.
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Speaker 4: To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief
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Speaker 4: and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on
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Speaker 4: a college campus in Utah. Charlie inspired millions, and tonight
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Speaker 4: all who knew him and loved him are united in
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Speaker 4: shock and horror. This is a dark moment for America.
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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk traveled the nation, joyfully, engaging with everyone interested
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Speaker 4: in good faith debate. His mission was to bring young
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Speaker 4: people into the political process, which he did better than
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Speaker 4: anybody ever.
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Speaker 3: The President also said that radical left political violence had
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Speaker 3: taken too many lives. He said the violence needs to stop,
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Speaker 3: and he also called for an end of the use
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Speaker 3: of violent words.
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Speaker 4: It's a long pastime for all Americans and the media
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Speaker 4: to confront the fact that violence and murder are the
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Speaker 4: tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day
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Speaker 4: after day, year after year, in the most hateful and
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Speaker 4: despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical left
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Speaker 4: have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the
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Speaker 4: world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric
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Speaker 4: is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in
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Speaker 4: our country today, and it must stop right now.
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Speaker 3: And he said Charlie was the best of America. Charlie
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Speaker 3: Kirk was starting his American Comeback tour at Utah Valley University.
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Speaker 3: He took questions from students, engaging in civil debate and conversation.
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Speaker 3: He was always courteous and respectful. About twenty minutes into
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Speaker 3: the event, he was in conversation with an audience member
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Speaker 3: speaking about gun violence, and this was the question right
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Speaker 3: before he was shot.
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Speaker 5: Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mashooters
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Speaker 5: over the last ten years?
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Speaker 6: Too many?
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Speaker 5: Do you know how many mashers there have been in
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Speaker 5: America over the last ten years, accounting or not counting
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Speaker 5: gay violence?
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Speaker 3: And literally a single moment after that he was shot.
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Speaker 3: The jarring juxtaposition of a vile, horrific murder shutting down
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Speaker 3: the peaceful, compassionate and democratic discussion of ideas. The bullet
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Speaker 3: was reportedly from a shooter on top of a university
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Speaker 3: building about one hundred and eighty meters away. The killer
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Speaker 3: is still at large, and here's a description of how
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Speaker 3: it happened.
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Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk was sitting under the small tent you can
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Speaker 7: see at the bottom of the screen. There he was
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Speaker 7: in conversation with someone from the audience, asking him questions
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Speaker 7: about gun violent Then you hear one single shot ring out.
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Speaker 1: It appears, from.
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Speaker 7: What we have heard now confirmed by law enforcement, to
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Speaker 7: have come from a high powered rifle. There is video
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Speaker 7: of Charlie Kirk sitting at the table underneath that tent.
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Speaker 7: He reels backward, obviously hit by the bullet. His right
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Speaker 7: hand then goes up to the left side of his
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Speaker 7: neck and you see blood gushing out as Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 7: falls backward and to his left, and then, as you
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Speaker 7: see in those pictures, so many people terrified start running
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Speaker 7: for their lives.
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Speaker 3: It's estimated that there were over three thousand people there
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Speaker 3: to see him speak at Utah. Charlie Kirk was committed
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Speaker 3: to dialogue to the debate in a peaceful way. It's
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Speaker 3: what he said was needed to avoid violence, and yet
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Speaker 3: he was murdered while engaging in civil discourse. And here
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Speaker 3: he is explaining why the peaceful contest of ideas is
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Speaker 3: just so important.
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Speaker 8: That these people I go around universities and have challenging
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Speaker 8: conversations and because that's what is so important to our
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Speaker 8: country is to find our disagreements respectfully, because when people
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Speaker 8: stop talking, that's when violence happens.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen someone do this.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are
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Speaker 8: facing violence assault the left, the line, yes, the campus Antifa.
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Speaker 8: I've been stormed out of restaurants. I've been assaulted publicly,
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Speaker 8: multiple death threats.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so what's your rolling on this.
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Speaker 8: There's more people that agree with me than some people
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Speaker 8: would actually believe, and they come out of the woodwork
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Speaker 8: when I do stuff like this.
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Speaker 1: We record all of it so that we put.
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Speaker 8: On the internet so people can see these ideas collide.
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Speaker 1: When people stop talking, that's when you get violence.
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Speaker 8: That's when civil war happens because you start to think
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Speaker 8: the other side is so evil and they lose their humanity.
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Speaker 3: Gramaswami said that Charlie Kirk was more committed to peaceful,
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Speaker 3: open dialogue with those who disagreed.
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Speaker 2: With him than anyone else he knows.
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Speaker 3: And so this today, yes, a murder, but also an
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Speaker 3: attack on free speech, on American values, on mainstream conservative ideals,
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Speaker 3: and seeing as Charlie Kirk was so close to the president,
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Speaker 3: it's an attack on the Trump administration too, and on
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Speaker 3: the leader of the free world. Friends described Charlie today
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Speaker 3: as an optimist, a visionary, positive and with a hopeful heart.
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Speaker 3: He was brimming with enthusiasm and love for his country.
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Speaker 3: He lost his life while doing what he loved and
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Speaker 3: what he believed was right.
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Speaker 9: Charlie had the spirit of our founders, full of energy, passion, conviction,
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Speaker 9: and an unrelenting pursuit of happiness. Charlie was always happy.
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Speaker 1: You never saw the guy down.
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Speaker 9: He loved what he did, and he never stopped working
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Speaker 9: and fighting and pushing and persuading.
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Speaker 3: In Fox News Heist, Laura Ingram spoke of her personal
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Speaker 3: friendship with Charlie, and it was quite moving.
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Speaker 10: I said it with Brett earlier, and he and I
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Speaker 10: were both crying in our offices and embracing a lot
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Speaker 10: of people around here are the word came to me irreplaceable.
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Speaker 1: He was irreplaceable.
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Speaker 10: He was murdered because he was so effective at what
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Speaker 10: he did. And I believe that no one other than
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Speaker 10: Donald Trump himself in recent memory has had a more
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Speaker 10: profound effect on the political thinking of young Americans than
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Speaker 10: Charlie did. The threats on his personal safety were well known,
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Speaker 10: he knew them, but he wouldn't stop because he believed
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Speaker 10: that being with people in public, especially on college campuses,
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Speaker 10: talking with conservatives debating liberals, it made conservatism fun and
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Speaker 10: exciting again. And he died today, taken by an assassin's bullet,
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Speaker 10: doing what God put him on this earth to.
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Speaker 3: Do, fighting against counsel culture. At college campuses, Charlie debated
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Speaker 3: issues of gender, national security, drug use, and religion.
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Speaker 2: He called it proved me wrong, and.
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Speaker 3: Gender was a topic he often spoke about, where he
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Speaker 3: asked students to answer what should be a simple question,
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Speaker 3: what is a woman?
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Speaker 1: What objectively is a woman?
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Speaker 2: Does anyone who believes they're a woman?
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Speaker 1: No, without using a word woman, it's just a person
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Speaker 1: who believes they're a woman. I mean, what's wrong with that?
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Speaker 8: The inability to answer the most fundamental, obvious biological question,
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Speaker 8: what is a woman? This is not troubling, like, it's
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Speaker 8: so simple, it's so obvious. Last chance, can you tell
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Speaker 8: me what a woman is? Are you a woman?
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Speaker 2: Why are you so hateful?
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Speaker 1: I asked you what a woman was.
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Speaker 3: That's not hateful, and of course they went viral. And
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Speaker 3: here's another one of those typical interactions.
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Speaker 1: So what is a woman? I dude, I don't know that.
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Speaker 1: That one's hard.
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Speaker 8: I know that's your due, that's your line, and I
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Speaker 8: think that's hard to say.
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Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. But but then, but what do
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Speaker 1: you think is a woman?
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Speaker 11: How?
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Speaker 12: Well?
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Speaker 8: A woman is an adult female xx chromosome. It's not difficult, right,
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Speaker 8: I don't think so. But if you disagree, why, but
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Speaker 8: then what is your alternative? Oh?
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Speaker 7: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just so you disagree with that, you disagree with that?
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Speaker 1: An alternative?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, Well, I mean I think that's I think
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Speaker 8: that's a fair thing to say. But you can disagree,
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Speaker 8: but you must have some opinion. What is your opinion
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Speaker 8: of what a woman?
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Speaker 1: I really don't know.
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Speaker 3: He also fought against radical Islamism. He argued against Hamass propaganda,
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Speaker 3: and he defended Israel.
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Speaker 1: What is Israel doing? Exactly? Tell me in detail? Where's
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Speaker 1: it happening? A war crimes? Really?
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Speaker 13: How?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean how they're killing little kids? Man
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Speaker 1: killing kids?
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Speaker 8: You mean they they drop leaflets before they bomb in Gaza,
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Speaker 8: They warned civilian corridors before they ever engage militarily. They
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Speaker 8: do emergency medical procedures for any person in Gaza that
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Speaker 8: might need it.
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Speaker 1: Do you understand what's actually? They're doing good? But it's
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Speaker 1: okay for them to do bad. Then it's called the war, okay.
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Speaker 3: He was also deeply committed to Christianity and morality. Some
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Speaker 3: even saw him as a future president.
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Speaker 14: This is a political assassination, Laura, I believe that Charlie
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Speaker 14: Kirk would have been president one day. I believe that
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Speaker 14: in my heart of hearts. This was a political assassination
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Speaker 14: because Charlie Kirk was doing the impossible. He was changing
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Speaker 14: the hearts and minds of young people across this nation,
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Speaker 14: end mass and there was something truly, truly powerful about
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Speaker 14: his presence.
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Speaker 3: And Charlie Kirk created Turning Point USA. It's a movement
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Speaker 3: to empower and energize young conservatives, involve them in the
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Speaker 3: political cycle. He had a high rating podcast, The Charlie
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Speaker 3: Kirk Show, and he was in frequent contact with both
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Speaker 3: the president, but particularly the Vice president. Lara Trump today
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Speaker 3: said that he did an enormous amount to help Trump win.
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Speaker 15: I don't think it can be overstated.
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Speaker 16: I don't know that Donald Trump would be president right
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Speaker 16: now without Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: And after a lot of work.
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Speaker 3: Here's the emotional moment that Charlie Kirk found out that
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump had won the election.
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Speaker 17: Donald Trump is President of the United States. We've got
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Speaker 17: our republic back votes.
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Speaker 2: Let's go there.
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 17: Everybody should remember this moment. Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 17: echo Charlie from earlier. Remember where you were when this happened.
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Speaker 17: Remember where you were when you realized that the uniparty
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Speaker 17: and all of these you know, just the establishment. You said,
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Speaker 17: it's time to actually participate.
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Speaker 1: And look what you.
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Speaker 18: Guys have done.
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Speaker 3: A thirty one year old father of two, married to Erica,
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Speaker 3: he's promising full and big life, cutshot needlessly, senselessly, and
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Speaker 3: Charlie leaves behind a beautiful family.
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Speaker 6: But goshh.
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was an intellectual who connected with individuals directly,
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Speaker 3: but he was also world famous and people young and old,
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Speaker 3: powerful and voiceless, are in deep mourning today.
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Speaker 19: Now.
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Speaker 3: The reaction from sections of the left to Charlie Kirk's
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Speaker 3: murder have been nothing short of appalling. One MSNBC commentator,
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Speaker 3: Matthew Dowd dared to claim that Kirk brought this upon himself.
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Speaker 12: He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger
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Speaker 12: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
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Speaker 12: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
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Speaker 12: I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,
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Speaker 12: which then lead to hateful actions.
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Speaker 3: MSNBC sacked him and issued an apology, but then on
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Speaker 3: social media, it was absolutely disgraceful, truly disgraceful to see
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Speaker 3: people rejoicing in this.
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Speaker 20: Violent There are a lot of people that are like,
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Speaker 20: no matter what side of politics you're on, you should
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Speaker 20: never celebrate something bad happening to someone. I, on the
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Speaker 20: other hand, do cheer when bad things happen to bad people.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk just got shot.
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Speaker 13: Oh well, breaking news, folks, seem somebody just took a
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Speaker 13: shot at one of the Phanta Fastest favorite five mile
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Speaker 13: wide mouthpieces, Charles Chuckle Kirk.
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Speaker 3: This is truly sickening and cruel and I'm pleased they're
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Speaker 3: being shamed for how they've responded. It's the antithesis of
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Speaker 3: the wholesome, good hearted American values and Christian morals that
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk espoused. Now for more coverage tonight, Charlie Kirk's
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Speaker 3: friend jane's Erkle and high profile commentator Brandon O'Neill will
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Speaker 3: be on the show shortly. We're also going to cross
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Speaker 3: live in.
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Speaker 2: Just a moment.
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Speaker 3: We've got a reporter on standby on the scene at Utah.
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Speaker 3: It's just gone cut a past four in the morning there,
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Speaker 3: and the manhunt will be underway, a massive manhunt to
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Speaker 3: try and track down the killer. It was a bit
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Speaker 3: of a debacle during the day. The FBI made two arrests,
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Speaker 3: let them both go, and they are now still searching
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Speaker 3: for the assassin analyzing CCTV footage. All right, let's bring
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Speaker 3: in our regular Thursday panel now, National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 3: and WA opposition leader Basil Zemplars, and we'll stick with
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Speaker 3: this shocking assassination.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The President and others like commentator Klay Travis have made
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Speaker 3: the point that increasingly reactionary rhetric from the left is
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Speaker 3: contributing to more political violence.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful
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Speaker 4: Americans like Charlie too Nazis and the world worst mass
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Speaker 4: murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible
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Speaker 4: for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today.
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Speaker 9: I am tired of hearing people say like Barack Obama did,
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Speaker 9: like Hillary Clinton did, Oh, we.
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Speaker 1: Condemn this violence. You caused it. Look at me right now,
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Speaker 1: you caused this.
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Speaker 15: Matt Canavan, do you agree this is part of the problem.
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Speaker 18: Yes, the President's spot on here, Shari. Look, first of all, though,
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Speaker 18: I'd just like to express my horror. It's just awful
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Speaker 18: what's happened, and also, of course condolences and prayers to
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Speaker 18: Charlie's family. Shocking, shocking thing that Australians work up to
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Speaker 18: this morning, and has been so much reaction from strangers
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Speaker 18: from my family. Everybody seems to be affected by it
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Speaker 18: here as well. Look, I do agree with the President's sentiment.
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Speaker 18: I think it goes deeper than that too. Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 18: wasn't just assassinated by a bullet, he was killed by
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Speaker 18: an idea. The idea that speech is equivalent to violence.
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Speaker 18: There's this increasing idea that just because someone has particular views,
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Speaker 18: those views express those express views, that speech is itself
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Speaker 18: a violent act, and then it's not too far to
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Speaker 18: jump from that, if that's your perspective, to jump from
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Speaker 18: that to saying that, well, if it is violent, then
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Speaker 18: it's justified to commit violence in response to that. This
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Speaker 18: is a cycle that has to be broken, and anyone
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Speaker 18: on the left particularly it's coming from the left, this
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Speaker 18: idea that is somehow saying that speech is violence should
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Speaker 18: be absolutely ostracized because it's inconsistent with a free and open,
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Speaker 18: liberal democracy, democratic society. In such a society, you need
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Speaker 18: to be able to freely express ideas, including ideas that
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Speaker 18: you or I might be uncomfortable with, and not equivalent
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Speaker 18: and not make that equivalent to a violent act. It's
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Speaker 18: not a violent act. It is an essential democratic act
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Speaker 18: to express your views, even if others disagree with him.
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Speaker 18: And that's all Charlie did. It was an innocent victim
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Speaker 18: of this war that's going on, especially the United States.
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Speaker 18: Hopefully it doesn't come here, but an innocent victim here
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Speaker 18: for just simply participating in the political process, and.
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Speaker 3: Such an optimistic character. So respectful and polite as well
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Speaker 3: in all his interactions, even with the most radical left activists, Basil.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter if you disagreed entirely with Kirk.
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Speaker 3: I agreed with most of what he had to say,
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Speaker 3: but violent language can incite dangerous people to take.
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Speaker 21: Action tragically, Charlie Kirk, and I echo everybody else's condolences,
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Speaker 21: obviously to the family and to those many friends and
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Speaker 21: supporters who are clearly in morning up. He so tragically
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Speaker 21: seems to have been a victim of his incredible ability
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Speaker 21: to communicate and to connect, and some of his messaging
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Speaker 21: did make people think in certain ways and thinking and
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Speaker 21: thought that is what is encouraged in free democratic countries
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Speaker 21: like ours and of course in the United States. And
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Speaker 21: so this element that are not able, are not able
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Speaker 21: to differentiate between conversation, thought, ideas and then actual physical
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Speaker 21: violence that plays out in this case so tragically with
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Speaker 21: a firearm. It is the tragedy of what has unfolded here.
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Speaker 21: And look to be perfectly honest, I mean, when you
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Speaker 21: see those images of his kids, his two beautiful little girls,
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Speaker 21: then that should be the sobering moment for everybody, and
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Speaker 21: even away from political speech. This is a political assassination,
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Speaker 21: probably the most graphic one since JFK. I cannot think
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Speaker 21: of one that's been captured on film the way that this.
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Speaker 1: One has since then.
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Speaker 21: But those little girls don't have a dad, and that's
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Speaker 21: the absolute tragedy of what we're talking about today.
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Speaker 3: And also the contribution he still had to make to
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Speaker 3: the world. Who knows the heights he could have reached,
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Speaker 3: and his own life cut short, of course, he doesn't
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Speaker 3: get to enjoy any of those beautiful moments of watching
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Speaker 3: his children go up, or contributing in the way that
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Speaker 3: he loved to public service and to national discours.
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Speaker 15: Now in the US, Matt he was.
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Speaker 3: Murdered on the tenth of September, But of course here
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Speaker 3: it's the eleventh, and it's twenty four years since the
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Speaker 3: terror attack on the World Trade Center, and I mean,
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Speaker 3: you think about it, and a quarter of a century later,
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Speaker 3: it seems that the West is still battling terrorism and
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Speaker 3: fanatical Islam. This was part of what Charlie Kirk often
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Speaker 3: spoke about.
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Speaker 18: Yes it was, and this is a terrorist act, there's
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Speaker 18: no doubt about that. There is also I suppose that
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Speaker 18: history rhyming here that this seems like a bit of
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Speaker 18: a hinge point to some degree, most of us that
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Speaker 18: lived through September eleven can remember where we were. And
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Speaker 18: you almost instantly realized, as soon as you realized it
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Speaker 18: wasn't some terrible accident but it was a terrorist act,
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Speaker 18: you instantly realized that the world was changing, that it
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Speaker 18: was going to change it the day, the next day
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Speaker 18: was going to be very different from yesterday. And it
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Speaker 18: does feel a bit like that here. I mean, obviously
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Speaker 18: there have been violent acts, as Basil just said, in
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Speaker 18: US political history before, but it's unusual for someone like this.
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Speaker 18: This person, Charlie was not a president or a presidential candidate.
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Speaker 18: He was just simply going out and having debates with
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Speaker 18: people just for the innocent act of having debates. And
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Speaker 18: you would imagine, at the very least now you won't
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Speaker 18: happen be able to have those debates. I mean, they
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Speaker 18: won't happen like Charlie did going forward. That'll be terrible.
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Speaker 18: But there's also obviously going to be a whole raft
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Speaker 18: of ramifications now in at the US as a result
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Speaker 18: of this shocking act.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan and Bars, I'm just going to ask you
22:49
Speaker 3: to stick with me for a minute and wait right there,
22:52
Speaker 3: because we're going to cross live now to CNN reporter
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Speaker 3: Mary Bell Gonzales. She's live on the ground in Utah
22:58
Speaker 3: local time now around four to fifty Dane, Mary Bell,
23:01
Speaker 3: thank you very much for being up so early to
23:04
Speaker 3: join us. What can you tell us about the manhunt
23:07
Speaker 3: that is now underway?
23:12
Speaker 16: Yeah, Shari, good morning here from orm Utah. Well, I
23:15
Speaker 16: can tell you that this manhunt is still on and going.
23:19
Speaker 16: We know right now the FBI is asking the public
23:22
Speaker 16: to submit any photos or videos of this incident via
23:26
Speaker 16: an online form as they're trying to piece together who
23:30
Speaker 16: could be behind this deadly shooting here on campus at
23:34
Speaker 16: Utah Valley University.
23:35
Speaker 2: We've also seen.
23:36
Speaker 16: Very heavy police presence. We've seen police cars even blockings
23:40
Speaker 16: durin entrances to the campus itself. This community here, Shari,
23:46
Speaker 16: is known by locals as happy in value. That is
23:49
Speaker 16: because of the positive nature of this community, and this
23:53
Speaker 16: incident has no doubt shaken up this.
23:56
Speaker 2: Entire area here.
23:57
Speaker 22: In Utah, and the fact that this suspect remains at
24:01
Speaker 22: large is just adding to that. I can also tell
24:05
Speaker 22: you that officials so that leading the investigation, they say
24:08
Speaker 22: they believe this was a single shooter. A single shot
24:12
Speaker 22: killed Charley, and we also know that.
24:16
Speaker 16: This was fired from a nearby roof. But now with
24:20
Speaker 16: more than three thousand people attending this event, they're hoping
24:24
Speaker 16: that they can sift through these videos, the surveillance videos,
24:27
Speaker 16: to try to find the person behind.
24:30
Speaker 2: This deadly shooting.
24:31
Speaker 3: And can you tell us about the press conference the
24:33
Speaker 3: governor held where he warned that Utah does have the
24:37
Speaker 3: death sorry, the death penalty.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, we know that this incident has definitely sparked
24:47
Speaker 16: a lot of reactions from both sides of other aisle.
24:49
Speaker 16: It's not just the Utah governor coming out and saying
24:52
Speaker 16: we will cock down on this political violence, but also
24:55
Speaker 16: the president himself. President Donald Trump, via a video that
24:58
Speaker 16: he posted on social media, likened this event just something
25:02
Speaker 16: he went through himself back in a few months ago
25:05
Speaker 16: when he was running for president. On his campaign, child
25:09
Speaker 16: was there was an assassination attempt on the president and
25:13
Speaker 16: so he said, you know, his prayers are to the family.
25:16
Speaker 16: But he also says that he is vowing some further
25:19
Speaker 16: action to crack down on this political violence. And we
25:23
Speaker 16: also know that people from both of the sides of
25:26
Speaker 16: the aisle are condemning this event. They're saying, you know,
25:29
Speaker 16: free speech should not be something that people are targeted
25:32
Speaker 16: and killed for in this event. You know, they're saying
25:35
Speaker 16: that political violence has no room here in the United States.
25:39
Speaker 2: Date it doesn't.
25:40
Speaker 3: All right, Mary Bell, thank you very much for giving
25:42
Speaker 3: us that update. There'll be a lot of pressure, no doubt,
25:45
Speaker 3: on the FBI and police today to have some more
25:49
Speaker 3: success in tracking down Charlie Kirk's assassin assassin A right,
25:53
Speaker 3: let's bring in Matt Canavan and Basil Zemplus back now. Now, Basil,
25:58
Speaker 3: we've seen vision emerging potentially showing a figure on one
26:02
Speaker 3: of the university building roofs. If we can show that now,
26:05
Speaker 3: that would be great. So we don't know if this
26:07
Speaker 3: is the sniper or not, but it is vision that
26:10
Speaker 3: was taken from someone's mobile phone. It's kind of in
26:13
Speaker 3: the background and you can see there you go, someone
26:16
Speaker 3: moving on a roof. Again, we don't know if this
26:19
Speaker 3: is the sniper or not, but a lot of pressure.
26:23
Speaker 3: It was a bit of a messy first afternoon, Basil,
26:26
Speaker 3: A lot of pressure to find the person who did this.
26:30
Speaker 21: Look, I've got to say it is the other very
26:32
Speaker 21: very chilling aspect of this shocking incident. As we've said,
26:36
Speaker 21: it's a political assassination, but the fact that so many
26:39
Speaker 21: young people there with so many devices and have captured
26:42
Speaker 21: this from so many different angles.
26:44
Speaker 1: And I know the.
26:45
Speaker 21: Footage has been carefully edited everywhere tonight, but nonetheless people
26:50
Speaker 21: have seen the graphic nature of what took place for
26:53
Speaker 21: themselves on other channels. And when I mean channels, I
26:56
Speaker 21: mean on other devices obviously, And so that is the
27:00
Speaker 21: other element. We don't know the motivation of the perpetrator.
27:04
Speaker 21: We don't know if they are acting alone. We really
27:06
Speaker 21: don't have any of those answers. But it is so
27:09
Speaker 21: chilling to think to be able to go on and
27:12
Speaker 21: see much of what the conversation was prior to that
27:15
Speaker 21: actual moment. It was very very difficult to see, I've
27:19
Speaker 21: got to say, and I.
27:20
Speaker 1: Found it very very confronting.
27:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was the first thing I saw
27:24
Speaker 3: this morning, the actual footage, before I'd even turn the
27:27
Speaker 3: television on. The first thing I saw this morning was
27:29
Speaker 3: the actual assassination. And it's something you can't you'll never forget,
27:34
Speaker 3: and the brutality of it, and in a sense it's
27:38
Speaker 3: important if you can handle.
27:39
Speaker 15: It to see it, because then you know what he
27:42
Speaker 15: was going through.
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Speaker 18: Matt, Well, look, it's unfortunate that I think we have
27:48
Speaker 18: to confront there's violence and it is harrowing to watch.
27:55
Speaker 18: But one of the ways we need is Adultso I
27:58
Speaker 18: wouldn't advise you show it to children. But one of
28:02
Speaker 18: the ways we need to confront this as adults is
28:04
Speaker 18: to see what's happening and see what could happen. As
28:07
Speaker 18: I said earlier, unless we nip this in the bud,
28:09
Speaker 18: we have to snub out this ideology that somehow violent
28:14
Speaker 18: acts are acceptable. We've seen already commentators in Australia give
28:19
Speaker 18: some degree of support to the idea that he had
28:24
Speaker 18: it coming, so to speak, as I said earlier, because
28:26
Speaker 18: he's spoke in a way that they didn't like. As
28:28
Speaker 18: people didn't like what he said, didn't agree with what
28:31
Speaker 18: Charlie had to say, and then there's almost an assumption
28:33
Speaker 18: implication from some that that justifies a violent responsible that
28:36
Speaker 18: has to be utterly rejected, as I say, snubbed out.
28:39
Speaker 18: And we need leadership from everybody in Australian politics, especially
28:43
Speaker 18: those of my political opponents, to completely condemn this attitude
28:48
Speaker 18: that is creeping into our politics.
28:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:51
Speaker 3: And I also think that there has been this misinterpretation
28:55
Speaker 3: of his comments and his position today as.
28:58
Speaker 15: Far right and extra even, and it just wasn't.
29:01
Speaker 2: They were mainstream views.
29:03
Speaker 3: He was, as I said, already very respectful, very optimistic,
29:09
Speaker 3: focused on God country. So anyway, it's this is what
29:14
Speaker 3: the left does. It kind of misrepresents his power.
29:17
Speaker 18: The largest youth organization in the United States, it was
29:20
Speaker 18: mainstream by definition, mainstream because he had the largest following
29:24
Speaker 18: of young people in the United States.
29:26
Speaker 21: No, just and as you said, just an absolutely gifted communicator.
29:30
Speaker 21: I mean an incredibly gifted communicator who was able to
29:34
Speaker 21: connect with great numbers of people, and that was his power,
29:39
Speaker 21: that was his superpower, and that has been whatever you
29:42
Speaker 21: think of his used, I mean his ability to connect
29:45
Speaker 21: one of the most extraordinary communicators of this century. And
29:50
Speaker 21: he's been taken out so tragically.
29:52
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
29:53
Speaker 3: I know, it's I think there's going to be a
29:55
Speaker 3: lot of people right around the world who never knew him,
29:57
Speaker 3: who are going to be in a deep devastation for
30:00
Speaker 3: while Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplus, thank you both so much
30:03
Speaker 3: and we'll.
30:03
Speaker 2: See you next Thursday. Now still to come.
30:06
Speaker 3: Us political commentator Jane Zerkle first met Charlie Kirk.
30:09
Speaker 15: When she was fifteen. She was inspired from the start.
30:12
Speaker 2: Her reaction coming up.
30:14
Speaker 3: Plus Brendan O'Neil will be on the show next Yes
30:16
Speaker 3: to talk about Charlie Kirk, but also the hypocrites attacking
30:20
Speaker 3: Israel for daring to strike her MUSS terrorists. Brendan O'Neil
30:24
Speaker 3: right after the break, welcome back in joining us now
30:31
Speaker 3: Spiked online political editor Brendan O'Neil. Brendan, I'm sorry we're
30:35
Speaker 3: chatting under this terrible circumstance, and I just want to
30:38
Speaker 3: start with asking you about what I saw as a
30:41
Speaker 3: very jarring juxtaposition of the bullet hitting Charlie at the
30:45
Speaker 3: very moment he was engaging in a peaceful contest of ideas.
30:51
Speaker 23: Yeah, absolutely right. And you know, I'm sure you noticed,
30:54
Speaker 23: Charlie that he had a T shirt on that had
30:56
Speaker 23: the word freedom on it. That's all it said. It
30:58
Speaker 23: just said the word freedom black and then suddenly that
31:02
Speaker 23: word was drenched with his own blood. I just thought
31:05
Speaker 23: it was so extraordinary that, you know, we often hear
31:07
Speaker 23: about blood being spuilt for freedom. In this case, it
31:10
Speaker 23: was literally true. A young man who had devoted all
31:13
Speaker 23: of his adult life to standing up for freedom of
31:16
Speaker 23: speech with suddenly had the word freedom covered in blood
31:19
Speaker 23: on his own chest. It was such a despicable, horrendous,
31:22
Speaker 23: savage act, and I think it was an attack not
31:25
Speaker 23: just on Charlie Kirk, and it leaves a woman widowed
31:28
Speaker 23: and two children orphaned, an unspeakable personal tragedy. It was
31:32
Speaker 23: an attack on America itself. It was an attack on
31:35
Speaker 23: American democracy, an attack on the beating heart of America,
31:39
Speaker 23: which is the First Amendment and the idea that free
31:42
Speaker 23: speech and open debate are always preferable to tyranny. That's
31:45
Speaker 23: what was being shot down in Utah yesterday, and that's
31:48
Speaker 23: why we really need to stand against this.
31:51
Speaker 3: Indeed, now his assassination is objectively evil, as Charlie himself
31:56
Speaker 3: would say, objectively evil. Yet we have seen this speakable
32:00
Speaker 3: reaction from the left. Just on the ABC tonight, on
32:03
Speaker 3: the ABC News in Melbourne, they try to paint him
32:07
Speaker 3: as a gun campaigner, as if he somehow deserved this.
32:11
Speaker 1: Have a look.
32:12
Speaker 24: He was a conservative influencer who campaigned for gun rights.
32:17
Speaker 24: Now the American right wing commentator Charlie Kirk has been
32:20
Speaker 24: shot and killed in what's been described as a political assassination.
32:26
Speaker 2: I mean Brendan Shaw.
32:27
Speaker 3: He agreed with the right to bear arms, and you
32:30
Speaker 3: could find maybe one or two examples of him.
32:33
Speaker 15: Speaking about that, but that was hardly what he was.
32:35
Speaker 3: You would not describe him as a gun rights campaigner.
32:40
Speaker 23: No, absolutely not. I mean his main issue was open debate.
32:44
Speaker 23: He would go around campuses and he would have a
32:46
Speaker 23: sign up saying proved me wrong, inviting people to air
32:49
Speaker 23: their opinions and to challenge his opinions. This was a
32:52
Speaker 23: man who primarily was standing up for the great American,
32:55
Speaker 23: the great Western tradition of free discussion. The idea that
32:58
Speaker 23: he was a gun campaigner is complete nonsense. But you know, Charlie,
33:02
Speaker 23: I'm increasingly thinking that wokeness is just death cult because
33:06
Speaker 23: you know, there are people on the left who made
33:08
Speaker 23: excuses for the murder of Jews. On seventh of October,
33:11
Speaker 23: they celebrated Luigi Mangioni's killing of a CEO. They say
33:15
Speaker 23: death to turfs, death to gender critical feminists, And now
33:19
Speaker 23: there are some people even making excuses for the assassination
33:22
Speaker 23: of Charlie Kirk. This is a death cult. This is
33:24
Speaker 23: a movement that celebrates murder. We should be incredibly worried
33:28
Speaker 23: by what's becoming of the left in Australia, in Britain
33:30
Speaker 23: and in America.
33:32
Speaker 3: Indeed, I just want to move on to ask you
33:34
Speaker 3: about Israel's strike and Qatar, because you've written a brilliant
33:38
Speaker 3: article on it before the assassination happened. Now, we saw
33:41
Speaker 3: the alban Ezy government utter not a single word about
33:45
Speaker 3: the Jerusalem terror attacks, but very quick to come out
33:48
Speaker 3: of the blocks to condemn Israel for striking terrorists, for
33:52
Speaker 3: daring to strike terrorists in Qatar, and we had a
33:56
Speaker 3: similar reaction from world leaders.
33:58
Speaker 23: What do you think It's horrific. You know, if people
34:02
Speaker 23: care more for the lives of her mass terrorists, mass
34:06
Speaker 23: murderers than they do for everyday Jews going about their
34:09
Speaker 23: business in Jerusalem, then they have a severe problem. You know.
34:13
Speaker 23: There is so much nonsense being talked about Israel's strike
34:16
Speaker 23: on Katar. Let's be honest about this. Katar has given
34:19
Speaker 23: safe haven to the masterminds of the worst mass murderer
34:23
Speaker 23: of Jews since the Holocaust. It has given a safe haven,
34:25
Speaker 23: a luxuriant haven, a five star haven. Two people who
34:30
Speaker 23: plotted and the murder of Jews and who want to
34:32
Speaker 23: murder more Jews. Israel had absolutely every right to strike
34:37
Speaker 23: at Doha. This is not a war crime. It's an
34:39
Speaker 23: act of war by Israel against a movement that declared
34:42
Speaker 23: war on Israel, and I think it was perfectly legitimate
34:45
Speaker 23: to strike in the way that it did.
34:47
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you that the moment October seven
34:51
Speaker 3: happened and Katar continued to harbor the Harmas billionaires, it
34:55
Speaker 3: became a legitimate target, not Qatar, but the Hamas terrorists
34:59
Speaker 3: that were getting safe haven in Kata, a legitimate target
35:02
Speaker 3: from that point on, Brendan, really appreciate your clarity as always.
35:06
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
35:08
Speaker 23: Thank you.
35:10
Speaker 3: Now, coming up, can Susan Lee steady the ship After
35:12
Speaker 3: a turbulent week, Liberal Senator Dave Sharma will join me,
35:16
Speaker 3: plus more reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination from political commentator
35:20
Speaker 3: and friend of his Jane Zirkle. She'll be on the
35:23
Speaker 3: show after the break. In the hours after Donald Trump
35:30
Speaker 3: announced Charlie Kirk's murder, I spoke with his friend and
35:34
Speaker 3: political commentator Jane Zirkele. Here was that conversation earlier today.
35:39
Speaker 3: Jane Zirkele Thank you so much for your time on
35:42
Speaker 3: such a difficult day.
35:44
Speaker 2: What's your reaction to this tragic news.
35:47
Speaker 11: I mean, it's just utterly devastating.
35:50
Speaker 25: It is so shocking and unbelievable that this happened in
35:55
Speaker 25: the United States of America.
35:57
Speaker 11: Charlie Kirk was truly larger than life.
36:00
Speaker 25: At just thirty one years old, he built a political
36:03
Speaker 25: empire that will go on long beyond him. You know,
36:08
Speaker 25: his life may not be measured in years, but rather
36:12
Speaker 25: the amount of lives that he.
36:14
Speaker 11: Touched and he impacted.
36:16
Speaker 25: And obviously surrounding his assassination, there's so much talk about
36:21
Speaker 25: political violence and hate and rage that people are filled with.
36:24
Speaker 25: But Charlie Kirk was a uniter. He brought so many
36:28
Speaker 25: young people into the conservative movement, and he gave them
36:32
Speaker 25: a home, and he gave them a task, and he
36:34
Speaker 25: gave them a purpose, and he built this movement that
36:37
Speaker 25: was really built on love and camaraderie.
36:41
Speaker 11: And not only was this an organization, Turning Point.
36:43
Speaker 25: USA, that employed hundreds of young people, but this is
36:47
Speaker 25: an organization that many young people built their lives on.
36:50
Speaker 11: I know so many.
36:51
Speaker 25: People who met through Turning Point USA who are now
36:55
Speaker 25: married and.
36:55
Speaker 11: Have families of their own.
36:57
Speaker 25: And I know, if one thing Charlie, what are we say, is,
37:00
Speaker 25: you know, get married and have children.
37:02
Speaker 11: And that's something that he would always preach.
37:05
Speaker 25: And I think if we could take one thing away
37:07
Speaker 25: from him and one piece of advice, it would be
37:09
Speaker 25: it would be that get married, have children, start a family,
37:12
Speaker 25: and make the world a better place and you know,
37:15
Speaker 25: leave things better than they were left.
37:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a beautiful legacy. It's such an important legacy. Jane,
37:23
Speaker 3: you knew Charlie personally. Can you reflect on your relationship
37:27
Speaker 3: with him and how you've been grappling with this devastating
37:31
Speaker 3: tragic news today?
37:33
Speaker 11: Sure?
37:34
Speaker 25: I mean it, it's just heartbreaking, absolutely absolutely devastating. I
37:40
Speaker 25: first met Charlie back in twenty seventeen at his first
37:43
Speaker 25: ever high school leadership summit at George Washington University in Washington,
37:48
Speaker 25: d C. And this was when Turning Point USA was
37:51
Speaker 25: just a baby organization that not many people had heard of,
37:54
Speaker 25: and there were only around eighty two one hundred students
37:57
Speaker 25: in attendance at this conference. He sat with the students
38:01
Speaker 25: and had breakout students and had breakout sessions with the students,
38:05
Speaker 25: and you know, just talked with us one on one
38:08
Speaker 25: and then to come back the next summer and see
38:10
Speaker 25: how the organization had grown in the summer after that.
38:13
Speaker 11: And now, of course his events.
38:15
Speaker 25: Today they garner tens of thousands of participants.
38:20
Speaker 11: I mean even the event today, you saw the ginormous
38:23
Speaker 11: crowd that.
38:24
Speaker 25: Came out to see him speak. He would truly was
38:29
Speaker 25: a revolutionary in the political world. And when he spoke,
38:33
Speaker 25: people listened, people listened. He had his show, The Charlie
38:37
Speaker 25: Kirk Show, every day on top of Turning Point USA,
38:40
Speaker 25: and he truly was just one of a kind and
38:43
Speaker 25: such a powerful force.
38:46
Speaker 3: He also became close to many senior figures in the
38:49
Speaker 3: Trump administration and many credit him with helping Trump win,
38:53
Speaker 3: particularly states like Arizona.
38:55
Speaker 2: Can you talk a bit.
38:56
Speaker 3: To that about his influence within the administration and how
39:00
Speaker 3: he helped President Trump's campaign.
39:03
Speaker 2: Big time?
39:04
Speaker 25: Charlie Kirk has led one of the largest grassroots campaign initiatives.
39:11
Speaker 11: Ever ever.
39:12
Speaker 25: He deployed thousands of ballot chasers and canvassers. He's employed,
39:17
Speaker 25: you know, hundreds and thousands of people to fill these
39:20
Speaker 25: positions and giving young people opportunities to get involved with politics.
39:26
Speaker 25: And he really focused this past election on the key
39:29
Speaker 25: state of Arizona, like you were saying, and I truly
39:32
Speaker 25: believe it's because of Charlie's efforts that, you.
39:35
Speaker 11: Know, Arizona turns the way it did. And I think that,
39:40
Speaker 11: you know, it's just he.
39:43
Speaker 25: Leaves behind such an amazing legacy that's unparalleled.
39:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jane, he leaves behind such a beautiful family
39:51
Speaker 3: as well.
39:55
Speaker 11: Yes, he means behind two young children, a beautiful wife.
39:59
Speaker 25: He was a a strong man of faith, and his
40:02
Speaker 25: faith is what always guided him.
40:04
Speaker 11: He was a man of God, and.
40:07
Speaker 25: I think that's what he'd really want us to remember
40:10
Speaker 25: him for, is his faith.
40:13
Speaker 3: So, Jane, Charlie Kirk advocated free speech, conversation, dialogue, reaching
40:18
Speaker 3: out to the other side, having polite discourse. He argued,
40:22
Speaker 3: this was all fundamental to avoid violence. And yet this
40:26
Speaker 3: is the horrendous action that has ended his life a bullet.
40:33
Speaker 25: I think that Charlie Kirk, you know, he was a uniter,
40:37
Speaker 25: and unfortunately, there is definitely an evil hatred that exists
40:41
Speaker 25: in our country that we need to overcome, and we
40:45
Speaker 25: have to overcome it together. We have to unify as
40:47
Speaker 25: one and I think, especially going in tomorrow to the
40:51
Speaker 25: twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven, it's more relevant
40:55
Speaker 25: than ever that we focus on the theme of unification
40:59
Speaker 25: and mean together and making sure that something like this
41:03
Speaker 25: never happens again. You know, we said never again, of
41:06
Speaker 25: course when we saw the assassination attempt against President Trump's life,
41:10
Speaker 25: and clearly that theme did not resonate with enough people.
41:14
Speaker 25: And so I do think there is a very very
41:16
Speaker 25: serious sickness within our country right now.
41:20
Speaker 11: It's devastating to see the impact that it's had.
41:23
Speaker 25: But I know Charlie is somebody that has always worked
41:26
Speaker 25: towards being a uniter and that's something that we need
41:30
Speaker 25: to continue continue on as we honor his legacy.
41:35
Speaker 3: Jane, thank you very much for your time. We really
41:37
Speaker 3: appreciate you joining us.
41:39
Speaker 11: Thank you so much.
41:41
Speaker 3: Still to come, the squabbles within the coalition following Susan
41:45
Speaker 3: lee sacking just enterprise from shadow cabinet. Dave Shama would
41:50
Speaker 3: join me after the break and in some breaking news tonight,
41:56
Speaker 3: UK Prime Minister Kiyastama has fired Britain's and back to
42:00
Speaker 3: the US Peter Mandelson over his links that emerged to
42:05
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein. Let's bring in our liberal senator Dave Sharma Dave.
42:09
Speaker 2: Good to see you again. Now.
42:12
Speaker 3: Susan Lee has today apologized to the Indian community for
42:15
Speaker 3: just in to comment for Just Enterprises comments.
42:18
Speaker 15: Can I get your reaction to this?
42:21
Speaker 3: Was this apology from Susan Lee to the Indian community
42:25
Speaker 3: a week after the events necessary? And of course you
42:30
Speaker 3: have Indian background yourself. Has the community been been hurting
42:34
Speaker 3: over the past week?
42:37
Speaker 16: Look?
42:37
Speaker 26: Absolutely, the community has taken offense at those remarks and
42:44
Speaker 26: I think they've wanted a clear apology and a clear
42:47
Speaker 26: statement from the Liberal Party about our attitude towards them,
42:52
Speaker 26: and I'm glad Susan has provided that. You know today,
42:57
Speaker 26: I think it's important that they know that we've value
43:00
Speaker 26: them as Australian citizens, and we value the contribution they
43:03
Speaker 26: make in their businesses, in their enterprises, to their neighborhoods,
43:07
Speaker 26: to their communities and to our nation. And I think
43:10
Speaker 26: unfortunately this uncertainty has been allowed to drag on for
43:14
Speaker 26: far too long and it's caused us damage. There's no
43:18
Speaker 26: getting away from that.
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Speaker 3: So Lee took this decisive action after Just Enterprise yesterday
43:25
Speaker 3: refused to endorse her leadership. But yet it seems there
43:29
Speaker 3: are still those who are critical of Lee, and it
43:33
Speaker 3: still seems that there is speculation circling. Have a look
43:35
Speaker 3: at this comment.
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Speaker 19: Not being sharpened to use your language, they're not. And
43:43
Speaker 19: what we need now is stability. We actually need to
43:46
Speaker 19: work out who we are and who we're fighting for.
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Speaker 1: If there is to be a spill, would you put
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Speaker 1: your hand up or not?
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Speaker 19: Well, there isn't a spill. Mark, people know I have
43:55
Speaker 19: a desire to leave. There isn't a move. Just to
43:58
Speaker 19: be very clear, I know there's been fever speculation over
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Speaker 19: the last fourve hours. There's certainly none coming from me.
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Speaker 3: So, Dave, I mean, these sort of interviews, these sort
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Speaker 3: of comments don't help, and it does make Lee's leadership
44:12
Speaker 3: look more shaky.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 26: Look, I have full confidence in Susan Land. I don't
44:18
Speaker 26: think our leadership is at all in jeopardy. I think
44:24
Speaker 26: Andrew's ambitions to lead the party one day well known,
44:28
Speaker 26: but I think it's equally well known that he's not
44:32
Speaker 26: in a stage in terms of his family circumstances and
44:35
Speaker 26: his own level of experience and maturity where he would
44:38
Speaker 26: be ready to do that. And you know, Susan's got
44:43
Speaker 26: a very difficult job after a very overwhelming election loss.
44:49
Speaker 26: It's not easy to lead a party in those situations
44:52
Speaker 26: and in those circumstances, and I think Susan is going
44:56
Speaker 26: about the right way, engaging her colleagues, listening to the
45:00
Speaker 26: Australian people, making clear that we need to reposition our policies,
45:05
Speaker 26: what's being true to our values, and making sure that
45:07
Speaker 26: we offer a competitive alternative at the next election. In
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Speaker 26: the meantime, we perform well as an opposition that holds
45:13
Speaker 26: the government to account. That's not an easy job at
45:16
Speaker 26: any time, but it's particularly difficult right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, extremely difficult, no doubt. I'm keen to ask you,
45:21
Speaker 3: as a farmer ambassador to Israel about the strikes on
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Speaker 3: the Hamas terrorists in Qatar this week, what do you
45:28
Speaker 3: think of Penny Wong's position that this was the wrong
45:31
Speaker 3: thing for Israel to do.
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Speaker 2: She was quite critical about it.
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Speaker 26: Well, I'm struck by Penny Wong. I mean, she's always
45:38
Speaker 26: very quick out of the blocks to condemn or criticize
45:41
Speaker 26: Israel when they do anything. But I didn't see her
45:44
Speaker 26: earlier in the week in response to six Pavilions being
45:48
Speaker 26: killed by a terrorist in Jerusalem, or when any number
45:51
Speaker 26: of other things happened. But I would say this, I mean,
45:54
Speaker 26: if you want this war brought to an end, if
45:57
Speaker 26: you see no future for Hamas, if you don't want
46:00
Speaker 26: must to play any future role in the governance of Gaza,
46:03
Speaker 26: then the defeat of her Mass is an objective we
46:06
Speaker 26: all need to share. And what Israel targeted in Doha,
46:10
Speaker 26: they were legitimate military targets. They are the political leaders
46:13
Speaker 26: of an organization that committed the seventh of October terrorist attacks,
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Speaker 26: that cheered on those attacks from their luxury suites and
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Speaker 26: hotels in Doha, and that committed to Israel's destruction. I mean,
46:26
Speaker 26: just like Issama bin Laden was fair game in twenty
46:29
Speaker 26: eleven in Pakistan, ten years after the nine to eleven
46:32
Speaker 26: terrorist attacks, so too is that her Musk leadership.
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Speaker 2: Exactly completely agree.
46:37
Speaker 3: And even if the senior Hamas leadership weren't killed, because
46:41
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like they have been, there were five
46:43
Speaker 3: Hermas figures killed more junior ones. It has sent the message, though,
46:48
Speaker 3: hasn't it, that these Hamas billionaires will never be safe
46:50
Speaker 3: and that Israel will hunt them down.
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Speaker 26: I think it does send that message, and I think
46:56
Speaker 26: it also sends a message to Katar that you know
47:00
Speaker 26: they need to help deliver harmas to a cease fire
47:05
Speaker 26: and are laying down to their arms and effectively a surrender,
47:09
Speaker 26: or they shouldn't be harboring. There's you know, the humas
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Speaker 26: political leadership. I mean, you know, any nation that was
47:16
Speaker 26: at war with another terrorist group or another entity that's
47:19
Speaker 26: sort of a third country harboring the leadership of that
47:22
Speaker 26: group would consider that to be an unfriendly act. And
47:24
Speaker 26: I think that is what does work here.
47:28
Speaker 3: Just finally, before you go, I mean, I'm sure many
47:30
Speaker 3: of us today are thankful that guns aren't so readily
47:33
Speaker 3: available in Australia, But do you think we are seeing
47:37
Speaker 3: similar trends of intolerance and violence emerging?
47:44
Speaker 26: Yeah. I think we are seeing across the Western world
47:47
Speaker 26: a growing intolerance for people with different political views and
47:51
Speaker 26: an increasing desire to resort to extra legal or extra
47:56
Speaker 26: judicial measures to sort of combat speech or opinion or
48:00
Speaker 26: ideas that you don't agree with them. You know, one
48:02
Speaker 26: of our foundations is a liberal democracy governed by the
48:06
Speaker 26: rule of law, is that political views can be expressed
48:09
Speaker 26: to opening and political differences are settled peacefully at the
48:13
Speaker 26: ballot box through elections, through legislation, through the contest of
48:16
Speaker 26: ideas through the free press. And whenever people take matters
48:20
Speaker 26: into their own hands and seek to use violence to
48:23
Speaker 26: prosecute their own political ideology, that's it's a recipe for
48:26
Speaker 26: civil strife and division. And I think we have seen
48:28
Speaker 26: elements of that intolerance here in Australia.
48:32
Speaker 3: I know it's very incredibly worrying and it's emerged particularly
48:35
Speaker 3: over the.
48:36
Speaker 15: Israel War and with anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Sharma, thank you as always for your time,
48:41
Speaker 3: and thank you everyone for your company this week. I
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Speaker 3: look forward to seeing you on Monday at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 3: And right now, here's Paul Murray.