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Ken Rosenthal on White Sox trade chips, NY team pros/cons, Angels future, D’backs/Padres buying · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Do I think he did it on purpose? No, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: However, if you're the Padres and you're sitting there and
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  Speaker 2: your guy gets hit again, your right to be upset.
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  Speaker 3: Let the Inside Scoop on a Friday with FT senior
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  Speaker 3: insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken, Happy Friday to you, and let's
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  Speaker 3: crack open your Fresh Notes column. It's in the Athletic
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  Speaker 3: right now. I'm going to start with the Mets. What
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  Speaker 3: do you have for us on the Mets this morning
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  Speaker 3: and where they could look to trade to acquire assets
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  Speaker 3: to help them compete with teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, Padres, etc.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I combine on this notess column with Will Salmon,
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  Speaker 2: who covers the Mets for the Athletic, and he contributed
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  Speaker 2: that note, and it's basically about how the Mets pitching
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  Speaker 2: prospect wise is so strong right now that they can
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  Speaker 2: move guys who are not among their top five pitching
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  Speaker 2: prospects and they'll still have value. They still may be
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  Speaker 2: able to get the Mets players that they want. They
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  Speaker 2: did this last year in for Jesse Winker and later
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  Speaker 2: trade for Jose Siri, a couple of different things that
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  Speaker 2: they did. So that is where the Mets stand and
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  Speaker 2: it's a great place to be in from an organizational standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: because you have the ability to improve yourself without giving
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  Speaker 2: up your top young talent. And that, according to what
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  Speaker 2: will contribute to this column, is where they are right now.
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  Speaker 4: And they have other guys coming back, but they've hit
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  Speaker 4: this little like they've hit this little lull in their season.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying this is who the Mets are, but
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  Speaker 4: how do they get out of this lull in the
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  Speaker 4: sense that like Canning's not doing as well, McGill's now
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  Speaker 4: in the IL, and I'm forgetting someone else's Oh yeah, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 4: and and and Frankie moltoss is supposed to come back
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  Speaker 4: in just time, but he's not thrown very well.
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  Speaker 1: How do they make it through this transition?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there are a couple of ways to do it,
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  Speaker 2: right Eric, you know how this is from being a player.
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  Speaker 2: You can either hit your way out of it, which
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  Speaker 2: the Mets are certainly capable of doing. And Soto has
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  Speaker 2: been hot, Alonso has been hot in June as well,
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  Speaker 2: end or not as much, or you can start pitching better,
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  Speaker 2: and I expect both things will happen. Quite honestly, all
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  Speaker 2: teams hit a lull. The Yankees just hit theirs, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's still a situation where they're in a lull.
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  Speaker 2: But the season is so long that even the best
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  Speaker 2: teams have these things happen.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying the Yankees and the Mets are the
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  Speaker 2: best teams in baseball, but what team is going to
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  Speaker 2: go through one sixty two and not have a scenario
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  Speaker 2: where they're not playing on all.
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  Speaker 1: Cylinders, not firing on all cylinders.
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  Speaker 2: That's where the Mets are right now. It's a big
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  Speaker 2: series this weekend in Philadelphia. I'm here right now. We've
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  Speaker 2: got the game on Fox tomorrow, and that's going to
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  Speaker 2: be somewhat telling. The Phillies are now in a tie
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  Speaker 2: with the Mets for first place. And I know it's
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  Speaker 2: only late June, but the Mets want to get going again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm quite sure, and the Phillies want to establish themselves
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  Speaker 2: as the principal threat in that division, if not the
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  Speaker 2: front runner.
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  Speaker 5: Now, let's switch gear cit the Yankees too. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we saw what happened. I was in the booth there talking.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't never see that one coming, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 5: The scoreless innings, thirty scoreless innings, what have you seen
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  Speaker 5: or heard about that whole situation with theren I mean
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  Speaker 5: we were there talking, they had a little meeting. It
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  Speaker 5: wasn't a player's meeting. Came back strong to you know,
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  Speaker 5: the last game. But what were you hearing about that
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  Speaker 5: whole situation with the Yankees going through this whole slide thing,
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  Speaker 5: per se.
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  Speaker 1: They just stopped hitting. That was one thing. Seven runs
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  Speaker 1: in seven games.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, when you're the team that leads the American League
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  Speaker 2: and runs scored, that is quite an unusual situation.
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  Speaker 1: What bothered me a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit about what the Yankees were going through there is
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  Speaker 2: that they were making some of the same mistakes we
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  Speaker 2: saw them make last year. Guys getting picked off, guys
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  Speaker 2: making errors, things along those lines where they looked a
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  Speaker 2: little sloppy. They had improved upon that quite a bit
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  Speaker 2: in the early going of the season. I don't believe
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  Speaker 2: that it's necessarily who they are. It is who they
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  Speaker 2: were last year and we all saw it, so they too,
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  Speaker 2: kind of are just coming out of it in their minds,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully now because they had to win over the Angels
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  Speaker 2: last night. I'll tell you a funny story, Todd. I
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  Speaker 2: had a story. I have a story written about Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Judge and some of the things he's done differently this year.
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  Speaker 2: And I was supposed to run it last Monday in
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  Speaker 2: the Athletic, but then they got swept by the Red Sacks.
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  Speaker 1: He started sliding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I still haven't published it because I need him
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  Speaker 2: to get going here a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, if I.
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  Speaker 2: Publish a story now, fans are gonna say, hey, what
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  Speaker 2: are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: They stick so.
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  Speaker 5: Coming Eventually, that was yours right there. That was pretty
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  Speaker 5: good impression. Did you move back or something?
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  Speaker 1: Todd One thing.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking to a writer who was in the
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  Speaker 2: clubhouse last night. He said, he overheard you talking to
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  Speaker 2: Mike Mark Lighter Junior, and he thought he was walking
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  Speaker 2: into the middle of an episode of Jersey Shore.
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  Speaker 5: That's funny. That's funny. I think I know he talking
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  Speaker 5: about to have a little shot either way. Now, let's
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  Speaker 5: go back, let's go back. Yankees. Yeah, they struggled. They
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  Speaker 5: they are on struggle bus. They kind of kicked through
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  Speaker 5: the Angels. Bullpen has been absolutely phenomenal. They talked about
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  Speaker 5: the first half of the year to now two point
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  Speaker 5: seventy nine e r a uh through from May eighteenth
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  Speaker 5: through now Wednesday, They just got these guys that are
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  Speaker 5: just coming to Hunter Strickland fourteen point two scoreless innings
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  Speaker 5: read Detmer's thirteen straight scoreless outings. These got guys that
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  Speaker 5: are just doing it, and it just seemed like they
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  Speaker 5: were so overpowering.
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  Speaker 3: Wait what before you jump into this, Ken, I just
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  Speaker 3: want to see if I can get Todd to pronounce
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  Speaker 3: one other guy who's really been racking it up and
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  Speaker 3: not because you probably skipped him, and I bet you
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  Speaker 3: can see him on Ken's article, Ryan Zephyr Sean.
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  Speaker 4: Oh nice?
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  Speaker 3: Wait did you say his name?
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  Speaker 4: No? I didn't, Okay, I practiced it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to Ken those you know, it's like
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  Speaker 5: when you get it, you're like Zephyr John.
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  Speaker 4: You got to keep.
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  Speaker 3: Saying it in the well you just called the series, Ken,
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  Speaker 3: So I just wanted to pop quizing.
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  Speaker 2: As for the Angels, they're really an interesting team to me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that any of us think of them
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  Speaker 2: as a contender, but they have some good things happening,
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  Speaker 2: and the bullpen, as you just pointed out, Todd, is
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  Speaker 2: one of them.
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  Speaker 1: They were the worst bullpen in baseball through May eighteenth.
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  Speaker 2: Since then, they've been one of the best and the
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  Speaker 2: guys you mentioned, I'm not going to try to pronounce
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  Speaker 2: their names. They all have made significant contributions and going
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  Speaker 2: forward with them again, I'm not saying they're great, but
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  Speaker 2: up the middle o'hapi netto and they've got Seano at
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  Speaker 2: first base. They've got jo Adell coming on now. They
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  Speaker 2: have some good things happening. And I don't see them
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  Speaker 2: being a contender anytime soon because I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: Artie Moreno is an owner who has a coherent enough
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  Speaker 2: plan to make them a contender.
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  Speaker 1: But they've been quite an interesting club and.
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  Speaker 2: If handled properly, and they have the number two pick
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  Speaker 2: in the draft coming up, if they kind of keep
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  Speaker 2: going along these lines, they can be in a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: Is there any I mean, obviously we're coming up to
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  Speaker 4: the trade talks and we're always hitting on trade stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Are there any pieces that the Angels because the Angels
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  Speaker 4: just historically do not get rid of anything with value
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  Speaker 4: for some reason. I think it's already Morina's fault. Do
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  Speaker 4: they change Do they change that course? Because now they
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  Speaker 4: have Logan o'hapi Young Netto, Young Shanawell is doing really well.
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  Speaker 4: Young Adele is the most home runs in this and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: in the month of June in baseball. Do they have
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  Speaker 4: any pieces that they could trade to then add to
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  Speaker 4: all of these young guys that are kind of slowly
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  Speaker 4: hitting their stride.
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  Speaker 1: They do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that they want to give them up.
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  Speaker 2: They've worked hard to kind of get their farm system
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  Speaker 2: in a better place. It's still not one of the
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  Speaker 2: best farm systems. But we've seen them act rashly at
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  Speaker 2: the deadline just two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Remember what they did.
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  Speaker 2: They added Giolito and Rinaldo Lopez and a few others,
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  Speaker 2: and then, of course, when it turns out they weren't
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  Speaker 2: going to contend, they dumped them all before the August thirty,
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  Speaker 2: first deadline for setting postseason rosters.
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  Speaker 1: So could they improve by making trades? Eric, Yes, they could.
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  Speaker 1: Should they at this point? Probably not.
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  Speaker 2: It's not where they are as a franchise. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that this team should be going all out simply
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  Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. But there are signs of hope
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  Speaker 2: there now. The problem again is the direction of the
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  Speaker 2: team and where they're going with it, And that's the
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  Speaker 2: question that we'll always have.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's shift over to the White Sox and
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  Speaker 4: what they have available. Is this the first time we've
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  Speaker 4: ever heard that the White Sox are gonna actually try
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  Speaker 4: to move somebody and not just let them get DFAED
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  Speaker 4: and then go have success somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they've moved some players before, and certainly Crochet in
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  Speaker 2: the offseason, and they've done some other things as well.
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  Speaker 1: But what we wrote about today.
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  Speaker 2: Is the idea that with Ben and Tende and Luis
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  Speaker 2: Robert Jr. Willing to pick up money as well as
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  Speaker 2: obviously make the trade and go about the normal transaction course,
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  Speaker 2: so that would enhance their value of Robert and Ben
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  Speaker 2: and Tende. It would at least make them palatable maybe
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  Speaker 2: to teams because if the White Sox are paying part
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  Speaker 2: of the freight, it helps them because maybe they can
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  Speaker 2: get better talent back, and of course it helps the
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  Speaker 2: acquiring team that doesn't have to pay the full price.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Ben and Tende, when I looked yesterday before I wrote this,
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  Speaker 2: was basically a league average player.
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  Speaker 1: This year, he hits the Grand Slam last night.
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  Speaker 2: He's fourteen percent above league average, and OPS plus.
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  Speaker 1: Looks a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't really play defense much, or but play it
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  Speaker 2: well anymore. Robert is a different kind of player. He's
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  Speaker 2: not hitting, but he's stealing bases, he's playing defense. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that either of them carries much value, but
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  Speaker 2: sure the White Socks are going to be open minded
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to trading them, and they may be
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  Speaker 2: in position to trade two of their veterans starting pitchers,
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  Speaker 2: guys they've recently acquired, Adrian Hauser and Aaron Savali.
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  Speaker 5: Last night, well late last night, pasted Derek's bedtime. But
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  Speaker 5: for me, we saw a little scuffle, little huha go
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  Speaker 5: on last night between the Podgers and Dodgers. It's been
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  Speaker 5: a lot of balls being thrown at guys. Whether it's
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  Speaker 5: on purpose or not, we don't know. Shilt came in,
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  Speaker 5: fired up. Dave Roberts was fired up. You know, what
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  Speaker 5: do you say about this? Is the rivalry kind of
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  Speaker 5: renewed a little bit, is it? Like all? I can't
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  Speaker 5: wait to see these guys playing next. Guys could have
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  Speaker 5: gotten hurt, you know, And it's a different kind of ballgame,
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  Speaker 5: as we all know.
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  Speaker 2: There's no question the rivalry is hot right now, no question,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the hottest rivalry in baseball. And we saw the
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  Speaker 2: passions flow the entire series, and that's the way it's
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  Speaker 2: been these teams have met quite a few times in
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs in recent years, there is bad blood between them.
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  Speaker 2: As for last night, with the Tattisse incident, that's three
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  Speaker 2: times in the last ten days that he has been
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  Speaker 2: hit by the Dodgers. Now I knows Jack Littley's making
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  Speaker 2: his major league debut. Do I think he did it
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  Speaker 2: on purpose?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: However, if you're the Padres and you're sitting there and
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  Speaker 2: your guy gets hit again, your right to be upset.
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  Speaker 2: Now what Shildt did and Dave robertson that whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what's going on between them. Shilt
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  Speaker 2: can be irritating two opponents, I'm sure, and maybe came
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  Speaker 2: out a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit too strongly there.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, if I'm him, I'm tipped
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  Speaker 2: off that this is happening. So when they play again, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that there will be eager anticipation, and there
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  Speaker 2: should be. These are two really good teams, and there
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  Speaker 2: are two teams that have had this rivalry develop over
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  Speaker 2: the last several years, with great players on both sides,
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  Speaker 2: and that's part of what is fueling this. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I anticipate that it's going to continue. It should continue
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  Speaker 2: because they're both really good. Actually wrote about the Padres
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  Speaker 2: a little bit today relative to the deadline, because they're
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  Speaker 2: in a tough spot in my opinion. They don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's going on with King. He's out until at least
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  Speaker 2: the All Star break with a pinch nerve on his shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Darvish has yet to pitch this season. They are
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  Speaker 1: getting by with lower priced, lesser name starters right now.
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  Speaker 1: They've got a hole in left field. They could use
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  Speaker 1: better production out a catcher. There are a number of
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  Speaker 1: things with this team you can look at and say,
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  Speaker 1: I wish it was a little bit better, and yet
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  Speaker 1: they're still holding one of the wildcard spots. They're still
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  Speaker 1: in a really good position, and it's going to be fascinating,
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  Speaker 1: as it always is at the deadline, to see what
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  Speaker 1: their general manager Aj Preler does, because this is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a different challenge for him. His farm
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  Speaker 1: system is not what it once was. He has multiple
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  Speaker 1: things to patch, and he also faces the possibility of
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  Speaker 1: losing both Dylan Cees and Michael King to free agency
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the season.
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  Speaker 4: And you also wrote the similarities between the Padres and
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  Speaker 4: another team in their division, who's only three games back
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  Speaker 4: behind them the Diamondbacks. So what are some of those
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  Speaker 4: similarities that you're seeing. They're both in kind of a
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  Speaker 4: weird position.
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  Speaker 2: The similarities go back to the injuries and with the Padres,
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  Speaker 2: Musgrove we've know is out for the year, and then
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  Speaker 2: you have King and Darvish as well. With the Diamondbacks,
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  Speaker 2: Jordan Montgomery out for the year, Corbyn Burns out for
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  Speaker 2: the year, their closer, Justin Martinez out for the year
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  Speaker 2: all elbows, and Gabriel Moreno, their catcher, just went on
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  Speaker 2: the injured list as well.
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  Speaker 1: Both teams also have aces, potential free agent aces Cease
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  Speaker 1: for the Padres and Zach Allen for the Diamondbacks, who
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  Speaker 1: have not.
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  Speaker 2: Performed the way you would hope in a walk year,
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  Speaker 2: or in any year for that matter. So from those perspectives,
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  Speaker 2: those angles, they're both in really interesting positions. And the
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  Speaker 2: other commonality is that they both are run by general
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  Speaker 2: managers who do not want to concede. Aj Preller he's
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  Speaker 2: always in by mode and Mike Kaysen was rather vocal
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  Speaker 2: on MLB Network Radio last week He's the Diamondbacks general manager,
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  Speaker 2: about how his intention is to buy unless of course
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  Speaker 2: things fall apart, and he wants to make his team better.
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  Speaker 1: Even with all the injuries, with all that has.
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  Speaker 2: Gone wrong, they believe in their club and they've got
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  Speaker 2: a top five offense, so why not. It's just going
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  Speaker 2: to be challenging for both of them to maybe get
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  Speaker 2: where they.
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  Speaker 1: Want to be.
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  Speaker 3: Ken good stuff. And lastly, you got where we at
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  Speaker 3: Phillies Mets Phillis Mets, Philly's Mets this weekend, Saturday night
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  Speaker 3: or day night, Saturday night.
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  Speaker 4: You can't have dinner tonight together?
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  Speaker 3: What what?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Wait, no, he didn't text me again when he's
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  Speaker 4: in Philly.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Eric, there's this little thing called work that's gonna
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  Speaker 2: come before our dinner.
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  Speaker 4: All right, don't get Oh you're not eating. You're not
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  Speaker 4: eating a meal tonight.
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  Speaker 5: You're going.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be eating a meal in this very room you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at, Bio.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure it's a big room. I'm sure we could
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  Speaker 4: have a meal together. We can get takeout.
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  Speaker 3: Good Luck one day, one day All Star. You'll you'll
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: get like twenty minutes with Ken at All Star and
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: you guys can have it as long as you can
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: eat a meal. Yeah, you can have a meal. We'll
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: give you some crackers there. Thanks Ken, we'll talk to
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: you next week. Have a good weekend. They can Rosenthal
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: with us UH for Inside Scoop and for Fair Territory.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Back on Monday, Yesterday's episode two, of course, with a
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Lona Rizzo, they took a ton of questions for Grill
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: and Ken. This is the time of year where you're
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: gonna get the questions coming in hot trade deadline season soon.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: And you can say it's early, but it's not early
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: because they're prepping. And also Dev's got traded already, so
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: you never know when the next big one strikes.