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Bonus Episode: Sanitized Biopics, California Wildfires, and Underrated Rock Stars · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about this week's full episode subject on Mark Lanagan.
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Speaker 1: We're rewinding back to our jay Z episode, previewing our
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Speaker 1: upcoming episode on Run DMC Part two on Run DMC,
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Speaker 1: where we dive deep into the death of jam Master
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Speaker 1: Jay and we get into your voicemails, texts, and as.
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Speaker 2: Always, a whole lot of rosie.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders,
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Speaker 1: the independent thinkers who know that the best history is
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Speaker 1: the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell
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Speaker 1: the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end
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Speaker 1: up telling that someone else all right, discos, let's get
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Speaker 1: into it, okay. A couple of weeks ago, we talked
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Speaker 1: about the problem that we as music obsessives face, the
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Speaker 1: problem of not being able to get our hands on
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Speaker 1: the real stories from music history. I jokingly refer to
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Speaker 1: the villain that prevents us from getting these stories as Chasm,
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Speaker 1: the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. And when you know,
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Speaker 1: just five six days ago, the New York Times magazine
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Speaker 1: ran a story called Here's the title called rocks Legends
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Speaker 1: were messy. You'd never know that from today's movies subtitle.
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Speaker 1: People used to eat up salacious stories of rock and
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Speaker 1: roll excess. Now they're the last things filmmakers want to touch.
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Speaker 1: The article then goes on to make our point about
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Speaker 1: Chasm in great detail. It posits it because there's now
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Speaker 1: so much money tied to the publishing of artists' songs.
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Speaker 1: You heard about Dylan selling his catalog for two hundred
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Speaker 1: fifty million dollars, Springsteen for three hundred million. I think
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Speaker 1: because there's so much money tied to the publishing of
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Speaker 1: these artist songs that the labels, the pig publishers now own,
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Speaker 1: the biopiics now serve as the engines that drive the
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Speaker 1: streams and the sale of the music that, in a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases, like I just said, is now owned
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Speaker 1: again by the publisher slash record labels. The point being
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Speaker 1: what is someone more likely to watch a cookie cutter
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Speaker 1: story about an artist following a predictable path to start them,
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Speaker 1: then crashing, then overcoming whatever challenge is brought on that crash,
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Speaker 1: usually some combination of past childhood trauma, drug and or
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Speaker 1: alcohol abuse, and forbidden love, to make a comeback, to
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Speaker 1: thrive and to live happily ever after, Or perhaps is
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Speaker 1: the following more interesting, a story that gets into all
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Speaker 1: the nasty little bits that make up more of a
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Speaker 1: complete picture of the artists, not just the drug use,
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Speaker 1: but the dark reality of the drug use, the consequences
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Speaker 1: on a human emotional level, and the dirty and often
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Speaker 1: fascinating and incongruent details that dot the lives of artists
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Speaker 1: and help explain why their music is so compelling in
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Speaker 1: the first place. The latter example is indeed messier, as
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Speaker 1: the writer of this New York Times magazine article points out,
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Speaker 1: But I would argue, and I know you guys agree
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Speaker 1: with me, because why else would you be here that
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Speaker 1: the latter example, the messier option is the more interesting option.
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Speaker 1: But the filmmakers, they treat us like children, like we
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Speaker 1: can only handle the safe story, and they're wrong. And actually,
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Speaker 1: as someone who's been brought into pitches with streamers for
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Speaker 1: the past five years to get them to buy real
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Speaker 1: stories from music history, I can tell you firsthand this
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Speaker 1: isn't ultimately the problem of the filmmaker. Sure they're making
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Speaker 1: these stories, but they can only tell the stories that
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Speaker 1: the studios will allow them to tell. Again, chasm the
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Speaker 1: corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. In the New York Times
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Speaker 1: magazine article, the writer kind of puts the blame on
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Speaker 1: you guys, the music fans, and sort of makes the
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Speaker 1: point that music fans don't want the real stories because
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Speaker 1: the stories are too messy. Like he says, he makes
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Speaker 1: the false equivalence of the messy story being something akin
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Speaker 1: to the salaciousness of behind the music. But that's bullshit.
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Speaker 1: You can tell stories about messy human beings and not
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Speaker 1: be silatious at the same time. And sure, I've been
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Speaker 1: selatious with our stories in the past, but when you're
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Speaker 1: talking about Motley Crue, you really don't have another option.
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Speaker 1: When you're talking about Bob Dylan or Brian Wilson. On
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Speaker 1: the other hand, you can get down with the dirty
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Speaker 1: details and present them in a human way, in in
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Speaker 1: an upmarket way, without being salatious. And I can do this,
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Speaker 1: as I've demonstrated over and over again in hundreds of
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Speaker 1: podcast episodes, and modern filmmakers can do this too. We
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Speaker 1: know because there are great music biopics, whether it's the
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Speaker 1: emotional rawness of coal Miner's Daughter or the fantastic fever
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Speaker 1: dream creativity of Gainsburg a Heroic Life. These films are fantastic,
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Speaker 1: and they're about messy artists, and they don't shy away
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Speaker 1: from those messes. And then there's Oliver Stones The Doors,
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Speaker 1: which manages to be both silatious and poetic. Admittedly poetic
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Speaker 1: in a tenth grade poetry class kind of way, but
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Speaker 1: still that's who Jim Morrison was. He was silatious and
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Speaker 1: he was poetic in a kind of adolescent way. In
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Speaker 1: the New York Times magazine article, the writer says of
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Speaker 1: the Bob Dylan biopic a complete unknown. He says, a
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Speaker 1: complete unknown. For instance, skirts the speedy, druggy side of
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Speaker 1: Dylan's early work. Now in the bonus section of this episode.
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Speaker 1: Right here, we're going to talk about the quote unquote speedy,
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Speaker 1: druggy side of Bob Dylan that was left out of
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Speaker 1: a complete unknown, and we get into my thoughts on
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Speaker 1: whether or not Bob Dylan actually got into that famous
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Speaker 1: motorcycle accident that sidelined his career in the nineteen sixties,
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Speaker 1: and whether or not that story about the motorcycle crash
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Speaker 1: is yet another rock and roll myth that needs busting.
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Speaker 1: This isn't solely about whether Dylan wrecked his bike. It's
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Speaker 1: about who gets to control the narrative of one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest American artists of all time. Is it chasm
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Speaker 1: or is it us? This is why we dig into
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Speaker 1: these stories. Okay, that's coming up later in the show.
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Speaker 1: free listening access to your fellow discos and myself and
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Speaker 1: the Patreon community chat a whole bunch of stuff. Just
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Speaker 1: five bucks, all right, Switching gears an update on the
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Speaker 1: LA fireyd California Wildfires charity concert scandal quote unquote scandal
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Speaker 1: that we discussed last week. Of course, this has become
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Speaker 1: political in the last week, with a California Congressman and
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Speaker 1: even the President tweeting about this issue, calling it a scam,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. Now, is this the scam they're claiming it
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Speaker 1: to be?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 1: Is this all on the up and up?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 1: As usual, the truth is nuanced, the politics aside. In
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Speaker 1: response to us, to you guys, actually to the discos
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Speaker 1: and others online who are onto this story before the politicians,
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Speaker 1: Fire Aid, the organization responsible for dispersing the money raised
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Speaker 1: by that charity concert we talked about last week. Fire
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Speaker 1: Aid has now on its website and in an LA
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Speaker 1: Times article provided information on where some of the money
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Speaker 1: has gone. Again, seventy five one hundred million was raised.
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Speaker 1: Seventy five million has been doled out to nonprofits. Very
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Speaker 1: little of that has gone directly to the people impacted
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Speaker 1: by the LA wildfires. Okay, Now, fire Aid has come
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Speaker 1: out again, like I said, on their website and in
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Speaker 1: an LA Times article, and they've provided information on where
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Speaker 1: some of the money has gone. They don't talk specifically
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Speaker 1: about how much, but they do detail, as I mentioned
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Speaker 1: in an Instagram post earlier this week, some thousand dollars payments,
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Speaker 1: some fifteen thousand dollars payments, and as far as I
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Speaker 1: can tell, of the numerous nonprofits responsible for doling out
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Speaker 1: the seventy five million, only a small handful two by
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Speaker 1: my account, have actually given money directly to the victims. Now,
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Speaker 1: I might have read the website wrong, I might have
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Speaker 1: read the La Times article wrong. I don't think I did. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So what we have here is an organization came in
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Speaker 1: coming and I said, well, well, hold on, hold on,
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Speaker 1: we're not We're not totally guilty of what you're saying
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Speaker 1: we're guilty of. Here's some proof that we did. We
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Speaker 1: did give some directives. They don't say how much. They say,
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Speaker 1: a fifteen thousand dollars payment to this person. These people,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, A thousand dollar payments to these people. But
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Speaker 1: they don't come out and say all of the seventy
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Speaker 1: five million, you know, seventy million has been given directly
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Speaker 1: to victims, or even forty million or whatever. They don't
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Speaker 1: do that yet. It's all it's all presented as if
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Speaker 1: everything's on the up and up. Now, obviously there's a
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Speaker 1: ton more information we need so that we can figure
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Speaker 1: out how this money has been dispersed. And of course,
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Speaker 1: the fact that the organizers are playing this all off
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Speaker 1: as quote unquote misinformation, that's what they call it, that
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Speaker 1: does not bode well. All Right, we know how to
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Speaker 1: read and we know you're not telling the whole truth. Now,
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Speaker 1: my gut has been that over the coming days and weeks,
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Speaker 1: these other nonprofits who are responsible for dispersing the money
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Speaker 1: will get their act together and start being transparent about
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Speaker 1: where the money has gone or is going, and start
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Speaker 1: making an honest effort to directly get the funds to
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Speaker 1: the victims if they have not gotten there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it could turn out where they just all of a
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Speaker 1: sudden show up tomorrow and they're like, Bam, here's an
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Speaker 1: accounting of where all the money went, and you guys
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Speaker 1: just haven't had the information. But I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. And I just did a quick google as
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Speaker 1: I was putting the show notes together for this episode
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Speaker 1: to see if I missed anything on this story from
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Speaker 1: the last time I checked in on it, and about
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Speaker 1: fifteen hours ago, Billboard reported that fire aid has hired
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Speaker 1: lawyers to review the distribution of this money from the nonprofit.
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Speaker 1: So there you go. They're covering their ass in a
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Speaker 1: good way. This is a good thing. Fire Aids should
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Speaker 1: want an accounting of the money. This is good news.
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Speaker 1: And hopefully the majority of the money raised from the
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Speaker 1: concert gets to the people. That's the important part here. Okay,
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Speaker 1: And for the record, I don't think this money would
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Speaker 1: have moved without public pressure from citizens like yourselves turning
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Speaker 1: the heat up online on fire Aids. So if you
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Speaker 1: tweeted about it, if you shared my Instagram video, or
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Speaker 1: you're one of the many who commented on it and
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Speaker 1: tag your local representatives, then great job. Look at that.
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Speaker 1: We're activists all of a sudden. Not really, I want
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Speaker 1: no part of that record. All I want to be
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Speaker 1: an activist for is good storytelling, good music storytelling. The
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Speaker 1: kind of storytelling is so true that they want to
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Speaker 1: keep it buried, the kinds of stories you want to tell.
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Speaker 1: Three chords and the truth. As Joe Strummer said after
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Speaker 1: he stole that line from Harlan Howard, all right, well
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Speaker 1: we come back. I'm going to give you an update
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Speaker 1: on our stories and Disgraceland and get into this week's
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Speaker 1: question of the Week with your voicemails, texts, dms and more.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's set the table right now and your
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Speaker 1: feed is our new episode on Mark Lanigan. You need
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Speaker 1: to listen to that episode if you want to know
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Speaker 1: about the singer songwriter who not only procured drugs for
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Speaker 1: Kurt Kobein, but who influenced Kurt's songwriting as well. Lannigan
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Speaker 1: one of the most underrated rock stars in the nineties,
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Speaker 1: and we're doing our best to keep his story alive.
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Speaker 1: So check that episode out. Even if you've never heard
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Speaker 1: Mark Lanigan, who've never heard of the Screaming Trees, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: It's a great rock and roll story. You're gonna love it.
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Speaker 1: All right. Coming up next to your feed, we're rewinding
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Speaker 1: to our jay Z episode. I wanted to get this
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Speaker 1: one to spin in the rewind slot this week because
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Speaker 1: it's a nice dip into what hip hop became in
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Speaker 1: the wake of that first first or first slash second
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Speaker 1: generation run DMC. Jay Z is at the top of
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Speaker 1: the mountain of hip hop stars that he has been
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Speaker 1: since the early two thousands. You're gonna hear about not
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Speaker 1: only his rise to the top, but also the violent
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Speaker 1: incident that almost derailed his career, a career that is
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Speaker 1: incomparable and was no doubt inconceivable to someone like jam
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Speaker 1: Master J from Run DMC back when he was a
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Speaker 1: Queen's Bee Boys starting out and Jay the other JJAYZ,
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Speaker 1: like I said, at the top of his game in
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Speaker 1: the early two thousands, when it all fell apart for
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Speaker 1: jam Master J. We get into where jam Master J
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Speaker 1: was in his career and who was encircling him when
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Speaker 1: he was murdered. All in our new part two episode
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Speaker 1: on Run DMC that's coming on Tuesday. Okay, when you're
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Speaker 1: listening to that new run DMC episode, be thinking about
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Speaker 1: who's the most influential hip hop group of all time?
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Speaker 1: Was it Run DMC. That's gonna be next week's question
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Speaker 1: of the week? Lots to choose from, and again group
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Speaker 1: hip hop group. Don't come back with Elo cool J,
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Speaker 1: Public Enemy. Sure, don't say Chuck Tea. Okay, say Public
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Speaker 1: Enemy if that's who you think we could be the
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Speaker 1: Beastie Boys. I don't know. I don't know who you
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Speaker 1: think of most influential hip hop group of all time?
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be the question of the week next week.
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Speaker 1: All right, but back to this week's question. In our
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Speaker 1: episode on Mark Lanigan, Mark is no longer with us,
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Speaker 1: But I am, however, and I am alone. I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across
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Speaker 1: the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone waiting for your
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Speaker 1: answers on this week's question of the week on relative
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Speaker 1: to Mark Lanigan, of course, your thoughts on who the
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Speaker 1: most underrated rock stars are the most underrated singer songwriters?
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Speaker 2: Nah?
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Speaker 1: Really rock stars? Okay, Like I said, we talked about
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Speaker 1: the replacement, so I'm not looking for groups who who
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Speaker 1: didn't didn't make it as far as we thought they
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Speaker 1: should have. I'm talking about rock stars. It's different. Lannigan
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Speaker 1: was born a rock star, whether he ever made music,
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Speaker 1: That dude was a rock star. Okay, let's check out
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Speaker 1: this voicemail on that question from the five to four
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Speaker 1: to zero.
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Speaker 5: Actually, and mister wand I have convo for you guys.
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Speaker 5: All right, we wanted to talk about songwriters, singer songwriters.
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Speaker 5: Let's let's go ahead and just talk about Jerry Reid.
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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously just the mathsive Mansion musical uh, get
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Speaker 5: that you will. I mean we're talking. He's bounded down
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Speaker 5: the lads and guitar man which, by the way, help
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Speaker 5: was prestly covered and and couldn't get the guitar sound right.
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Speaker 5: Finally looked at somebody and sad, man, I can't get
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Speaker 5: it to sound like that Jerry Red Guys, maybe you
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Speaker 5: uhould get Jerry Reid to play on it. So who
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Speaker 5: played on the uh help especially record for him? Huh? Anyway,
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Speaker 5: no one just in credit for for Man a great songwriter.
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Speaker 5: Is also we've got to connection to it is he's
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Speaker 5: also a great But if you start exactly smoking the
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Speaker 5: bandon obviously wanted to and three three, Uh, what's that's okay?
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Speaker 5: And I believe it's quite like me, which was the
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Speaker 5: trilogy with vermon Olegator and he played Famo MacCall and
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Speaker 5: that was that one of the most genians bad guys
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Speaker 5: in the whole world. I mean, he nailed that. That
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Speaker 5: was a great, great movie. He also made a movie
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Speaker 5: where he played a note bad guy, except this one
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Speaker 5: had Walker Mathew and Robin Wison and I believe it's
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Speaker 5: called The Survivalist and he was like the beginning of
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Speaker 5: the movie Jerry Reef robbed a store or something. I
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Speaker 5: don't know, but Walker, Mathew and Rob Winnie they see
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Speaker 5: him and they can identifi and the movie to him.
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Speaker 1: There him trying to kill play.
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Speaker 3: There you go.
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Speaker 5: Like I said, We've got both covered, you know, musically
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Speaker 5: in in the movies. But yeah, Jerry Reed very underrated
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Speaker 5: rock and.
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Speaker 1: Rolling damn all right? Five four oh uh? You know,
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Speaker 1: as I'm listening to that voicemail thing, can only a
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Speaker 1: disgrace Land listener would be able to go from Mark
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Speaker 1: Lanagan to Jerry Reid. I love this answer, and you
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Speaker 1: know why because I underrate Jerry Reid and I know
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Speaker 1: he's underrated. We all know Jerry Reid as a snowman, right,
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Speaker 1: that's his character's name from Smoking the Bandit. But as
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Speaker 1: the five four to Roho points out, that dude was
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Speaker 1: a great songwriter and an absolute assassin on the guitar.
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Speaker 1: Wrote the great Eastbounding Down. Not the television series, which
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Speaker 1: is also great, but the song Eastbounding Down, which my
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Speaker 1: friends in Midland do a great cover of. By the way,
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Speaker 1: five four to Oh call me back, tell me which
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Speaker 1: Jerry Reid album to start with. I've heard the hits,
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Speaker 1: but if you can recommend one album, which would it be?
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Speaker 1: All Right, let's check out the five to one eight,
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Speaker 1: who is indirectly connecting a topic from a caller last
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Speaker 1: week with this week's question of the Week about underrated
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Speaker 1: singer songwriters underrated rockstars. Play the five one eight.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, David Fellow L James Over, you're talking about
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Speaker 4: root Boy Slim, and unless you lived through roop Boy
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Speaker 4: Slim shows you ain't saying not that that guy was phenomenal.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he had the worst voice in the world,
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Speaker 4: but the songs were awesome. The persona we were awesome. Uh,
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Speaker 4: just unbelievable. I would suggest you know any one of
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Speaker 4: his three I think got three, maybe four of his
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Speaker 4: album's great songs like Boogie T You Fuke was like
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Speaker 4: his first kind of minor regional hit a lot of
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Speaker 4: people got. But songs like World War three, Inflatable doll
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Speaker 4: about his love affair with his you know, miss Polly Ethelyne.
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Speaker 4: Unbelievable musicians that were. They were just all incredible, overshadowed
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Speaker 4: by the one big personality the group boy was love
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Speaker 4: and show rock and roller.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Boogie T You Puke? I'll take your word
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Speaker 1: for it and check out rude boy Slim. This is
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Speaker 1: all news to me. I don't know how I missed
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Speaker 1: this entire rue boy slim thing, no clue, but I
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Speaker 1: thank you for it. I got a feel and I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna get dirty when I dive into. I get a film,
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a rabbit hole. It's gonna be
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Speaker 1: hard to climb out of. I've got a film. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna have some ruboy slim content coming your way at
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Speaker 1: some point in the near future. Thank you, five one
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Speaker 1: AD appreciate you digging in. Let's check in North of
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Speaker 1: the Border play the seven to five.
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Speaker 3: Hey, it's Derek McLean calling from Canada seven o five area,
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Speaker 3: and I just want to put in my two cents
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Speaker 3: worth for a very underrated singer songwriter Matthew Sweet rocking
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Speaker 3: it out, wrote some great songs, also played so many
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Speaker 3: instruments in the studio on a couple of his albums.
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Speaker 3: He was on bass, he was on drums, he was
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Speaker 3: on guitar. Just some incredible songwriting. So shout out to
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Speaker 3: Matthew Sweet, and you're doing a great job. I love
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Speaker 3: every episode. Cheers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that the Canadians love Matthew
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Speaker 1: Sweet or a Canadian mo's Matthew Sweet. That album cover
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Speaker 1: that woman in that big fur code or whatever she's
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Speaker 1: wearing girlfriend, great record, Also Sick of Myself another great
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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's on that album though, I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing seven oh five that if you're a Matthew Sweet fan,
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Speaker 1: you're a Fredy Johnson fan as well. Get back let
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Speaker 1: me know six one seven nine oh six six six
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Speaker 1: three eight. You want to send me a voicemail, You
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Speaker 1: want to send me a text, You want to get
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Speaker 1: in on any of our questions of the week. That's
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Speaker 1: how you do it. You want to you want to
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Speaker 1: tell me about a story I don't know. You got something,
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Speaker 1: You get a line on something, you've been digging into
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Speaker 1: the into the music history research. You got something you
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Speaker 1: want to share with me. An artists, we should cover
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Speaker 1: a story I should know about, like this rude boy
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Speaker 1: slim thing we've been talking about. Hit me up, let
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Speaker 1: me know. It might turn into a disgrace. Land episode
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six, six six three eight
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Speaker 1: voicemail and text three one eight three one eight gets
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Speaker 1: in here with Hey Jake. The Landgan episode really hit
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Speaker 1: home with me. Mark's voice was the embodiment of late nights,
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Speaker 1: empty bottles of bourbon and overflowing ash trays, and he
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Speaker 1: used to create, as you say, great music. As for
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Speaker 1: underrated rock stars, I have to go with someone who
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Speaker 1: is actually mentioned on the Landgan episode, Greg Dooley of
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Speaker 1: the Afghan Whigs. As an intensely personal songwriter with the
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Speaker 1: high of a lonely alley cat. He was the most
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Speaker 1: combustible figure to arise from the nineties alt rock scene.
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Speaker 1: The Afghan Wigs Gentleman album has been on regular rotation
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Speaker 1: with me since its release, and I still maintain it's
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Speaker 1: the most underrecognized classic of that era. Anyway, the Landing
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Speaker 1: Episode was a top notch production from beginning to end.
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Speaker 1: All the best in rock and ROLLA Jim from the
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Speaker 1: three one A Jim from the three one eight. I
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Speaker 1: could not agree with you more. Gentlemen is incredible, no skips,
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Speaker 1: instant classic, great fucking record, and Duly could sing his
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Speaker 1: ass off. So good, so good. It's also got a
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Speaker 1: great bar in la I wonder if it's still there.
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Speaker 1: I think it's called the Shortstop. Had a good night
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Speaker 1: there once? All right? What else we got here? We
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Speaker 1: got a text here from Laney, one of our favorite
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Speaker 1: longtime discos, texting in some cool videos of her son
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Speaker 1: portraying Johnny Cash on stage in a local production from
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Speaker 1: Landy's Neck of the Woods. Landy's Sun is killing it.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna take my word for it, and we would
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Speaker 1: expect nothing less from the son of a disco portraying
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Speaker 1: none other than the badass Johnny Cash. Nice work, Landy,
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Speaker 1: Way to raise him up right? Nine one oh text sing, Hey,
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Speaker 1: this is Brian of the nine one oh area Code.
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Speaker 1: Was just wanting to answer your question about what artists
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Speaker 1: is underrated, and I have to say the artist's name
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Speaker 1: is Tori Amos. She was at the peak of her
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Speaker 1: famed in the early nineties and didn't get plaid enough
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Speaker 1: in my honest opinion. And what do you know about her? Thanks? Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know much about Tori Amos except that I
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Speaker 1: love the song Cornflake Girl. Great song. I want to
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Speaker 1: listen to that right now. I want to listen to
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Speaker 1: Cornflake Girl. I want to listen to Sick of Myself
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Speaker 1: by Matthew Sweet. I want to listen to Gentlemen by
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Speaker 1: half Ken Wiggs. You guys got a good little nineties
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Speaker 1: vibe rocking these text and voicemails. I appreciate you nine
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Speaker 1: one oh if you have any info on Tori Amos,
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Speaker 1: If you know something I don't know, get on back
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Speaker 1: at us six one seven, nine oh six six six
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21:55
Speaker 1: And and and I want your recommendations on what stories
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Speaker 1: we should cover. Is it Rude Boy Slim? Is it
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Speaker 1: somebody else? What stories have been buried that need telling? Dig?
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Speaker 1: All right? Your voice helps uncover what gut buried in
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Speaker 1: your takes, as you know, propel me into the dark
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Speaker 1: corners of music history. So keep them coming. Like we
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Speaker 1: Dig baby Dick, all right, six one seven nine oh
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Speaker 1: In the after Party, we talked, as we always do
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Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right.
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Speaker 1: This this week's new episode subject Mark Lanigan passed away.
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Speaker 1: Back on February twenty second, twenty twenty two. Here's what
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Speaker 1: America was listening to on that day, according to the
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Speaker 1: Billboard Charts. Number one, we don't talk about Bruno, Carolina Gayton,
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Speaker 1: Mara Castillo last week one peak position one weeks on
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Speaker 1: Minaj and Little Baby last week non applicable peak position
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Speaker 1: weeks on chart Talk one. Number three Easy ones Adele
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Speaker 1: last week two position one one week some weeks on
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Speaker 1: last week Caroline three peak position position three, two weeks
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Speaker 6: Like Justine last peak positions, Quit talking and start mixing.
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