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S3 E9: Pressure Busts Pipes · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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Fifteen degrees. You can see your breath out here in the Lake Effect,
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breaking tables like you would you? Where else would you have to be?
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And to run Elvis in the Lapan Show. Remember that you need to know.
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I put you out here now, your family? Where else would you
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happy? Where else would you? Welcome into the Nickel City Crew. I
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Yard. We're so glad that you're joining us for some of your Buffalo bills
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and NFL content against Day and as always, these on my Bill's thoughts set
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out loud. It's about so ridiculous to destroy plight thing was sick? Where
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else would you like to be? All right, let's get straight to it.
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I'm really excited about tonight's episode. Um, I was just talking to
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DT pre show and I'm just excited. Man training campus right right around the
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corner, excuse me, and before you know it, we'll be looking up
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and the bills will be cracking the pads at Saint John Fisher. So I'm
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really excited about tonight's episode. There were a couple of things that were just
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kind of crawling in my mind DT, and I just had to get it
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out into the atmosphere, brother, because a couple of things has just kind
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of been nawn on me. I know, we've had the Stefan Diggs drama,
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and we had, you know, the episode that we dedicated to him,
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and then afterwards, Sean McDermott kind of steps in it preverbbly afterwards and
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it says that he's very concerned, and then he walks it back the next
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day and we dissected that DT as well. Um, I've just I got
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a couple of things on my mind tonight, man, I've got to get
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it off my chest. Joining me as always my co host Adam dump Trump
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Rubsick Hollow at the Crew DT. You followed him on Instagram at the Rubi
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rupc z y k at the Crew DT. What's good. It's it's the
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days of summer. It's hot days. Yeah, you know, hopefully Josh
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Allen looks like he's having a hot boy summer. Yeah. Oh man,
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I'm so happy about it. Man, this will be our last episode before
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training camp. Again, the bills will break and start camp at the end
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of the month. I think the week of the twenty fourth rookies will report
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and then the vets come in a couple of days later, so we can't
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write. We really can't wait for that to get started. Tonight's episode as
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DT. We have a special guest tonight, and I'm really excited because I
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was talking again shout out to Justice General over at Buffalo fan Base. He's
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been trying to come up with an initiative to kind of get the community together
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we're promoting each other's stuff. I heard a guy that's got a silky voice,
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kind of like mine, a little bit different, but it's definitely silky,
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and he just had some good points man, and I really liked listening
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to him. Holla at the crew. Our guest tonight, Ryan Thomas at
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Ryan Thomas takes what's good? Right, what's good? Man? Hollo at
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the crew man, what's up? What's what's good? Rob? What's good?
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Adam, what's good? Guys. I'm really excited to be on the
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show today with you guys. Really appreciate the invite. Of course, that
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intro awesome intro. Oh yeah, the lead end to the episode fired me
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up. And I'm really looking forward to diving into some Buffalo Bill's football discussion
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of course as always. Yeah, man, thanks for hopping on. That's
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our guy, Richland. We got to have him back on before the season
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and we've got to invite for him as well. He did the promo and
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we love him, man, we love it these He's one of our guys
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for sure. So I'm happy you guys are all tonight. I wanted to
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beat some stuff around. It was funny because DT Ryan I had called in
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the WGR like you know that, I get the itch every now and then,
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and I called in a couple of weeks ago, and me and Sal
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Capacco got into it a little bit, not nothing, you know, contentious
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or anything like that. But I was going to play the episode in the
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in the call, but it's not even worth it. We've got a lot
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of to get into tonight, but listen, the main point was that,
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you know, I've came over my point to saw McDermott, how he changes
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some of his stripes DT in the playoffs, and how he coaches sometimes not
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to lose the game as opposed to trying to win the game, and you
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know, say, I kind of said that I'm cherry picking and that he's
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gotten more aggressive, and you know what I mean. And one of the
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problems with the calls I forgot to say, and specifically, you know,
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actually talk about the fact that it was regular season I was speaking about.
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Well, Sal jumped all over that, and he had an opportunity to say
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that I was cherry picking. And I understand that Sal works for the Buffalo
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Bills, he works for WGR that type of thing, So I'm not even
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mad about that type of thing. But the problem that I had with some
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of the rhetoric that's been going on regarding McDermott fellas is that you know,
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there's not necessarily a threshold. I put up a poll, Ryan, and
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you were a participant of that Twitter poll. What here's the question that I
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post everybody on Twitter. I said, what would the Bills need to do?
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How far do they need to go this year in order for it to
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be considered a success? I only gave four options, and it was really
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interesting because the actual responses to it was crazy to me. So, what
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ending to the twenty twenty three Bills season does McDermott need to reach for it
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to be a success in your opinion? We had a little bit under a
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thousand votes, overwhelmingly DT. Overwhelmingly the choices were super Bowl win, super
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Bowl Berth, AFC Championship Game, and obviously Wild Cut Round. Now Wild
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count Round came up the rear at two percent nobody. Obviously, we've got
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higher standards in that, and even the most staunchous of you know, mcderbott
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supporters will at least give you that much. AFC Championship Game came up after
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that at fourteen percent DT. You will be surprised, man, DT.
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Fifty percent of the fan base or fifty percent of the fan base that responded
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to this poll obviously set a Super Bowl berth thirty four percent right behind set
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a super Bowl win. Including Ryan Thomas, I think you said super Bowl
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win and I'm looking right at the Twitter. Yeah to me about it?
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Talk to me about that take, Man, because I was I was blown
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away that literally eighty four percent of the people are saying that you've got to
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not only get to the super Bowl, but some of them were saying you
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gotta win the whole thing. It's crazy to me because it speaks to what
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DT and I have spoken about, and that's expectations have raised. This is
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not the same drought Bills anymore. This team has expectations. They've got the
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quarterback in places, it's time to win, Man, and I think that
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the fan base is starting to realize that to a certain extent. Yeah,
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I agree with you, Rob, And it was a great poll because it
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showed kind of the dominant thought I think within the Bills mafia that you know
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this team and it goes back. You know, we got to go back
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to the beginning to kind of get to this point now. And the point
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going back to the beginning was that Sean McDermot and Brandon Bean have kind of
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created this culture obviously that we're in right now where the expectations are so high.
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So I want to start off with that first, and for almost complimenting
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both of those guys that what they've done over the last six seven years has
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made this culture a reality for Buffalo Bills fans, and for you know,
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a long long time that was not the case. I wondered for many,
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many years if we'd ever see an expectation quite like this one heading into a
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season. If ever, and you know, obviously they've knocked on this door
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quite a few for quite a few years. I used an analogy last night
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on my show. I talked about how it's almost like you go into someone's
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house. You go to your own, your own house that you own,
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and you just knocked on the door of it and just walk away. When
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someone comes down to the door, It's like, why would why would you
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even knock on the door of your own house? Knock it in a certainly
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fact that it's your home, put your feet up right, and it's it's
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just the fact that this team is so talented you'd expect, you know,
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a Super Bowl berth. I honestly feel I might be you know, pushing
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a little bit here, but I think this team was talented enough these last
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two years to be in the Super Bowl, uh, you know, against
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Billy and against the Rams, and I can make a case that they could
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have won both of those games based upon how those games went so um,
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you know, and that thought is kind of echoing in my head as I'm
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remembering the Bills beating the Rams in Week one of last season. It was
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like, couldn't that have been us, you know, beating them in the
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Super Bowl a few months back prior. So, you know, obviously expectations
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are high, and darn right they should be with how talented this team is.
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Yeah, we've talked about it here on Nicolsonny Crew. DT. I
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know you've spoken to it a bunch of times about how, you know,
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we've had some golden opportunities that have been missed, especially with you know,
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thirteen seconds and some of the aftermath of that, and you would have been
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hosting Cincinnati and then some people want to kind of quoll some of that stuff
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after Cincinnati handed it to us last year. But you never know what these
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opportunities are going to be, Like, DT, you never know how many
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times you're gonna have a chance to, you know, knock on that proverbial
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door that you know that Ryan's talking about and DT, I would have loved
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to see what your response would have been to that. I leaned more towards
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you know, I said, I told Ryan when we interacted on Twitter,
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I said, AFC Championship game at the minimum, but it comes with a
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caveat. I would be more inclined to say super Bowl berth, super Bowl
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win. I think you've got to be you know, obviously, you've got
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to be a fanatic, and you've got to be somebody that is really ready
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to win this thing and it doesn't want any excuses. But I would have
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taken Super Bowl berth. I would again say a FC Championship game appearance.
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If there's a caveat, I'll get to that caveat. DT. If you
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were to go back to that poll and vote yourself, what would you have
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said? Again? Wild card was you know, barely non existing? Two
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percent fourteen percent said AFC Championship Game. Fifty percent of the fans that responded
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said super Bowl wind, which just blew me out of the water. Thirty
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four percent said super Bowl berth, which I was leanted towards. Well,
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well, it's super Bowl or bust. I mean, what else is left?
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All right? What else is left? I mean we look at as
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as coming out of the drought, we were, we were okay as fans
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with kind of what we were the first couple of years of Josh and what
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this team has kind of come into and then an AFC Championship game probably weren't
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ready thirteen seconds even bigger hit then still all the expectations, we go through,
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all the trials and tribulations last year, everything off the field, everything
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on the field, the injuries, the whole the whole nine, and we
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still got knocked out. So what's left, you know, what's left us
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going and getting us going and getting knocked out again, which just the same
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thing happened last share, and we'd be pretty disappointed. So the only thing
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left for this team to be considered a success in our eyes is you know,
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it's a Super Bowl. So yeah, I mean I was specifically trying
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to talk about McDermott, and I was trying to turn the level up of
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pressure on him. You see tonight's episode name and obviously these will release tomorrow.
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We didn't get a chance to last night, but this will release Friday.
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You know, it's interesting because I just want to be able to say,
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fellas, at the end of the season that we that we lost,
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you know what I mean, like that we lost straight up, like we
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just got beat you know what I mean, Like the game was over,
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we played a team they were better than us, and like we just got
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beat that day. I don't want it to be any type of wondering.
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I don't want it to be any type of you know, what the hell
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happened here? And what kind of you know thirteen seconds. There's so much
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mystery around that game and you have no idea what happened. And then the
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special team's coordinator gets fired and it's just like a it's so convoluted, and
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who was making the calls? And you know, we heard some stuff about
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possibly that it was McDermott that was making the calls at the end of the
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game, and then he snatched you know, play calling responsibilities away from from
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Leslie Fraser himself. I just want to be able to go to a playoff
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game or watch a playoff game and at the end of it say, hey
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man, we were not the better team that day. We lost. I
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don't all this other extra bulshit. I'm just not with it. Like there's
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always something, there's always something, and I'm just not That's what I'm saying.
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Running We're running out of excuses. We're running out of excuses, was
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my point right. You you weren't good enough. Now you are good enough.
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The heartbreaker, you had the heartbreaker, and you know last year you
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just got you just got beat maybe because you you blamed it on off field,
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you know, everything you did with all year. That's that's what we
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got. No excuses left other than just straight up to get beat. Like
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you said, yeah, I mean, you know, speak to it Ryan
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if you can for a second. I know you got off for a second.
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But like, listen, I want to be able at the end of
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the game to just say that we lost that, like we were not the
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better team that day. I don't want it to be you know, late
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on the coach. I don't want it to be some type of thirteen to
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second decisions and all these other mishaps and should we have pooched it? And
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why are we backed off so far? I don't want it to be a
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sugar high Josh and we're up sixteen nothing against Houston and what could have happened
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if you know he was a little bit more reined in, a little bit
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more poised and stuff like that. Listen, there's a lot of stuff going
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on AFC Championship game. We've got our coach kicking field goals to go down,
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nine to go down, twelve to go down, fifteen against Patrick Mahomes
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at the high flying Chiefs offense, and that at the end of the game
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he was like, oh, well, I kicked field goals because I wanted
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to give our guys some chim juice and some some momentum. I see this
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guy totally zapping the energy of the team. He sometimes takes the energy away
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from his own team. That's been one of my biggest problems with McDermott.
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Ryan, if you can speak to it, because I'm a little bit I'm
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a little bit worried man. I want to be able to say we lost,
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not that the coach was the problem. I'm sick of that shit.
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What do you got Ryan? Yeah, I agree with you. I agree
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with both of you that you know enough is enough. We've gotten to this
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point where we know how talented this team is, we know what they can
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do as far as I mean the players are the players, Josh Jalones to
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find diggs um. You know, obviously their defense has been one of the
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top defenses these last few years. Were you able to hear me, there
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might have been a little bit keep going, you're good, You're good,
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You're good, You're good. Please, can you guys hear me? Okay?
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You yeah, continue, We're having some issues with Ryan's connection. But
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you know, DT, I, I really, I'm just I don't know,
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man, I'm kind of at a loss for words with this guy with
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Dermott, because I really I don't want to put all the blame on him,
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but sometimes he just makes it hard, you know. And the Stefan
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dig situation again just made it hard again for me to defend him, because,
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like, you know, you're in a situation where you're the leader of
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the team, you're running this organization. You know, you've got all the
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power down there at one Bill's Drive, it's you and Brandon Bean, and
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you're what are you scared of? Like? Why are you what? Are
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you very concerned about it? And you don't want to tell us why you're
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very concerned. You don't want to tell us what the real issue is with
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Stefan Diggs. So you just botched the whole situation. And then John Allen's
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coming out and saying that it's the baby is fault and he's you know,
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and everybody's blowing everything up. I don't think everybody's blowing everything up. I
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think it's a situation where he lost control of what was going on. He
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was emotional, took questions when he shouldn't have taken questions. He was a
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little bit you know, hot, and I understand it, and I think
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that he answered the wrong way and he doesn't and nobody wants to Nobody wants
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to blame him for anything, nobody wants to put anything on his plate.
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I just I don't know, man, getting kind of sick of it.
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Yeah, I mean we would say it all the time. Doesn't go on
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trial enough. And a little criticism on seventeen right there, like you said,
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he kind of in his press conference too, kind of sparked some some
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you know debate on it, and then a couple of weeks later he's like,
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oh, you blew it out of proportion. It's like, well out
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of proportion, and then the media ran with it. So absolutely it's not
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going on trial enough. And you know, I've spoke on this before.
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I think on the show of just being good enough, like you said,
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you know, being good enough. So it's it's gonna be. You'll get
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into it, Ryan, you're back. I just I wanted to get your
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thoughts on it, because I mean, it's a situation where I'm just I'm
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I'm at a loss sometimes for McDermott, and I know that he has his
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supporters we're going to talk about about. I'm so sorry about the Shaddy connection
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here. I I apologize, um, but yeah, getting to um where
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we were leaving where I had left off. Obviously, I agree with you
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guys that it's just, you know, going back to that since an Eddie
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game. I gotta say, you know, I can't look at that game
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just as a competitor, whether it's like my playing days that were short but
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sweet, you know, not at that eye of a level. But coaching
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at the very least, I've never looked at, never looked at a team
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that I've ever coached and have said, Hey, we lost because of X,
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Y and Z. We lost because we got beat. You know,
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we lost against the Cincinnati Bengals because we got beat. I know that the
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team went through quite a lot, but I think it was pretty telling in
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the locker room Matt Milano's postgame interview where he said something to the tune of,
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you know, prior to the game even starting, we weren't even really
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in the right mental headspace to play. Everybody was going into the game like
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it was a funeral and it was that can't happen anymore. Like that type
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of atmosphere. It kind of goes back to the Super Bowl days actually,
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where guys like Therman Thomas are trying to rev the engines of everybody saying like
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this our fourth year doing this in a row, like we would have made
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it this far again, We're gonna play like crap again in a Super Bowl
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that they're actually winning at halftime. At halftime, people forget about that.
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So, um, you know, I think I think Bill's Mafia is a
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very smart fan base because there's no fan base that's as dialed into the teams
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as the Bills Mafia is, of course, and as any team, um
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as any fan base, I should say, with any team. So I
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really feel like they're they're starting to become aware that, Okay, well we
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were this close two years ago, we were this close last year, Like
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why has this not happened yet? And I think a lot of it does
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come down to coaching. I think a lot of it does come down to
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situational coaching that you know, if if things don't go the way that Bills
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fans want them to according to your pull um, where they expect AFC Championship
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Game, super Bowl berth or Super Bowl win. We don't even make it
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back to the AFC Championship game. Guys, there could be a real hot
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seat discussion that people are willing to have right now. But it's a possibility.
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Yeah, I mean it is a possibility in that segues percly for me
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because you know, I was interested in getting your guys takes on this because
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there's something that I've been obsessing over for the last It's been literally over a
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month now. You guys all know, and you know, Nicol City Crew,
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Bills Mafia knows. I'm an avid WGR listener, and you know,
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Jeremy White had a nice little, you know, start to one of the
19:18
shows and he was talking about he was actually talking about the Saviors at the
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time, and Kevin Adams had had a press conference and it was talked about
19:23
sustained success and you know, and he mentioned it, I guess a couple
19:29
times in his press conference and sustained success. He's not going to risk the
19:32
future on you know, some of their their prospects and some of their draft
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picks and things like that to try to just get into the playoffs or whatever
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the case may be. And even they have their own draft that they're dealing
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with, And like, it was interesting DT because I'm starting to wonder if
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from ownership on down, because those extensions came out at a weird time.
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I mean, right after the Stefon Diggs drama. All of a sudden,
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Brandon Bean and you know, and Sean McDermot are given extensions and they had
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two years left the deal anyway, it was going through twenty twenty five,
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so it was it was just very very odd. I'm starting to wonder if
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we have a Pegoula problem, not in respects to ownership, not because he's
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moving or anything like that. No, do we have a problem with the
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owner being just okay, not being crappy? Is he just okay not being
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shitty? Can we just keep this car out of the proverbial ditch, so
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to speak? And I'm wondering if that's a real thing, because it can
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be a real thing. There are owners that just want the team not to
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be a laughing stock there and obviously the Bills were one of the biggest laughing
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stocks you know, we were never bad enough to have the top draft pick,
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never, you know what I mean, good enough to make it to
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the playoffs for seventeen years. I'm starting to wonder if this comes down from
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ownership, because we can all talk about this too. We're blue in the
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face too, I'm purple in the face. It doesn't matter until Pegoula,
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until Terry and Kim understand that, you know, good enough is not good
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enough. Until then, nothing really necessarily has to change other than our voices.
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That's the only thing that I can think of. We can swall up
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DT, we can get louder um. But other than that, the guys
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that cut the checks as soon as the first instant of drama, they get
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extension and it was just weird timing. DT. Please touch on that because
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that was weird. We haven't talked since those extensions came out. Yeah,
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that's a good point, Um. And you know, you can look at
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the pagoulas As and I'm not saying this goes for every owner, because they're
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successful owners that do things differently, right, But you know they're not the
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owners of in the room like in the players talking like they're just oh okay,
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yeah, sounds good, right, the check type of people and that's
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that's fine. There's the owners that are successful like that, but like you
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said, they run an entertainment business, rob and what do the people want?
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You're gonna eventually have to give it to them, right, And they
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I think they saw a little taste of there was a little speckle a drama
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a month ago here kind of all hell kind of broke loose for a few
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days, Like yes, you said it. People were unhaged, shipping out
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of town. And I think you know they they they like sitting up and
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kind of gliding, if you will, not going in the ditch, as
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we talked earlier. But you know, at the end of the day,
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I think not super Bowl appearance is gonna people are it's the mafia is gonna
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get loud and and they're gonna have to make a crucial decision there. And
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maybe that's why Stefan Diggs came in a little hot because he's he had the
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same brain thoughts we did. So you know, it'll be interesting going forward
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and they could kind of, you know, dig even deeper. Right did
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Pagoula like is he some like entrepreneur mogul hustler every day. No, he
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kind of went into some oil money and got rich, right, so he's
22:37
just he's just riding it out. That's again all speculation, right, But
22:41
but you could see it. And but I think I believe in mafia.
22:45
You know, if if it does get real, we do speak up and
22:48
kind of lead our own revolt. But the business side of things too,
22:52
Rob. You got the new stadium coming in. You know there's got to
22:55
be asking those seats and um, you know, you make it a little
22:59
more defensive. We go back into a trout. It's gonna be a lot
23:02
harder than just gliding staying out of the ditch, keeping seventeen upright for as
23:04
many years as possible. Ryan Thomas take, I mean, please give me
23:10
a take on this, because I've just i mean, DT spokes and I'm
23:12
a little I'm not I'm not mad, I'm just it was interesting timing that
23:18
as soon as some type of drama, the Bills have had smooth sailing under
23:23
McDermott and being and everything's perky and and there's everything as sunshine and rainbows and
23:29
peach cobbler like I just made this past week for the fourth of July,
23:32
Like everything is sweet and perfect the first sign of some type of dissension.
23:37
You start you started to see some ruffles, also, feathers that were ruffled.
23:41
And McDermott is backing off of his words. The next day and did
23:44
he send Stefan Dig's home or what are the case may be? Right after
23:47
the right after that, he get they get extensions, and they had two
23:49
years left on their deals. Anyway, they were already going to be here
23:52
in twenty twenty five. Nobody wants to be a Lane Duck coach, so
23:56
you know, if at twenty twenty five their contracts are up, they're gonna
23:57
get them, you know, at least a year to bump as they're going
24:00
into that new stadium that that DT's talking about in twenty twenty six. I
24:04
mean, it was immediate and it was just it was just a little odd.
24:07
I'm not saying that they got the extensions because of the Stefan Digg's thing.
24:11
I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that it was really
24:14
weird, and I'm paying attention. I'm wondering if our owner just doesn't want
24:18
to be shitty, and if he's just okay, we're just not being shitty,
24:21
then then that's fine. Eventually you got to push your chips into the
24:23
table. You've got to push your chips in if you want a championship.
24:26
I really do feel that way. Yeah, to to echo, you know,
24:32
the sentiments kind of Um, you know that a lot of Bills mafia
24:36
is saying right now. Um. With the Pagoulas, it's it's very tough
24:41
to kind of forget the past with them, and I think it comes down
24:47
to I mean, I can just speak to just where I was in two
24:51
separate occasions where the Buffalo Sabers were purchased by Terry Pegoula in two thy eleven.
24:59
Okay, Terry gooul Is stepped up to the podium and what did he
25:02
say? That they're only thirds? Yeah, yeah, all that mattered for
25:07
existing, that matters. The only reason that they're in existence was to win.
25:11
It was to win the Stanley Cup. And the Buffalo Sabers have been,
25:15
with doubt, the worst team in the National Hockey League for the last
25:18
twelve years. They missed the playoffs every year. Um, in the last
25:22
twelve years, of course. And then he buys the Buffalo Bills and he
25:26
saves the Bills and everybody's happy and everything, and my friend actually was oh
25:32
god, no, like, yes, he was the only guy that could
25:34
save the team, but he was also the guy that was putting the Sabers
25:37
into the in the grinder, into the basement of the National Hockey League when
25:42
he was buying the Bills. But you know, obviously I'm really thankful that
25:47
both teams are still in Buffalo, and then I get the chance to talk
25:49
about him for many many years to come, and for the next genera,
25:53
my future kids and grandkids, their generation look at to experience the same joy
25:59
that I did grown up in Western New York. And you know, realistically,
26:03
I do think they originally bought the teams thinking that they knew how to
26:07
run a sports franchise like a business, and they realized that sports business and
26:14
business is two very different things. So they to put better people in sports
26:18
involved that made better decisions, people that were groomed for the job, like
26:23
Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott, and especially you know Kevin Adams, a former
26:29
player now GM of the Buffalo Sabers, and Donna Garnado, one of the
26:32
best developmental coaches in the USA Hockey program. He's the head coach of the
26:36
Sabers now, so yeah, it was. It's been a bit of a
26:40
road these last fifteen years with the Bagoula's kind of running the show here almost.
26:44
But I do think that we're ahead. We're full steam ahead with the
26:49
success that the Bills have had obviously, but I think the Sabers are due
26:52
for some success as well. Yeah, I mean I think that they're due.
26:56
You know, Mike concerned. You know that Jeremy had laid it out
27:00
for that topic to start his show, was kind of like he was.
27:03
He was it caught his ear that they kept mentioning sustained success, and then
27:07
because he kept mentioning it, he was wondering if that can kind of come
27:11
into complacency. And that's my main thing is that I don't want them to
27:15
be complacent. So even if the Sabers go ahead and break their drought,
27:19
I would still like for them to go out and get there, you know,
27:22
whenever they need. You know, I'm not I'm not as plugged in
27:23
on the Sabers as I am of the Bills. I know they need a
27:26
goalie, I guess, and they've got a couple of defense when they just
27:27
picked up, So maybe that will help out on the blue line, but
27:30
like I want them to continue to push in the chips to the table.
27:33
It's not enough for me just to break the drought. And what GT and
27:37
I have kind of talked about a couple episodes ago with our It's Time to
27:40
Grow Up episode was that it's okay that expectations have been raised. It is
27:44
okay Bills Mafia to be okay with the fact that you want your team to
27:48
be successful. This is not the drought Bills anymore. And DT, it
27:52
was almost like when I saw those extensions, it was almost like, you
27:56
know what, shut up, that's my coach. He's not Rex Ryan.
27:59
He and what do I always say, DT? He doesn't eat dog biscuits,
28:02
and he's not running a frat house, and and he's not learning a
28:04
Clemson him. You know what I mean to the press conference, it's like,
28:07
shut up, that's my coach. And you know what, here's here's
28:11
a two year you know, here's a you know, two more years on
28:12
top of this extension. Now they're here to a twenty twenty seven. They're
28:15
gonna be here when the new stadium opens. Like, everybody shut up,
28:18
Because sometimes I'm wondering if he's kind of laid back, and he's looking at
28:22
it like a business. Entertainment is totally different than oil DT, like you
28:26
just talked about. So that's the only thing I love Pagoula. As Ryan
28:32
said, I'm very grateful you'd already know. I've got my kings. We
28:36
went to our first game this year and the regular season game, and they
28:38
had a great time. You were right there with this DT. I'm worried
28:41
that sometimes the owner makes it seem like he just wants everybody shut up and
28:45
just be happy that the bills are good. And I am happy that they're
28:48
good now and now what you know, you understand. I don't know if
28:52
that makes sense or not, but it's like at Malwin and on Twitter,
28:56
I just get met with shut up, you want to go back to the
28:57
drought, and we already know that is a defense mechanism. Sure that's a
29:02
good point, but I think, like you said, eventually, the entertainment
29:06
business only survives if there's customers, and the customers got to get what they
29:10
want to be entertained, and pushing the chips in is the only way.
29:14
Rob. Like, like you said this, eventually, nobody's really calling for
29:18
Sean mcdermot's job today. You know, nobody is like we've been the most
29:22
critical of him and definitely have not even got close to calling for his job.
29:26
But but we go out again in some bs way in the divisional round.
29:32
It's gonna get a little hotter. You know, it's gonna get the
29:34
stove is turned up now a little bit more. Yeah, Like, okay,
29:40
Gogoula, if that was your point a couple of months ago, and
29:41
you said, oh, he's our coach. Wait wait if he does something
29:45
event and then it's gonna as a as a businessman, as a businessman,
29:51
it's it's you're gonna have a real rock and a hard placed decision in front
29:53
of you, because now the mafia is hot. And yeah that okay,
29:56
if that was your point you thought you had us a couple of months ago,
30:00
Maybe you're not as smart as you think you are. Yeah, I
30:02
mean, you know we all know that. You know, coaches contracts and
30:04
stuff like that are not like you know, you know the players, there's
30:07
no salary cab and you know they paid Rex Ryan after they hired you know,
30:11
Sean McDermott. So I understand how that all works, But I definitely
30:14
think that it was a little bit of posturing, fellas I thought. I
30:15
thought it was on purpose, is what I'm trying to say. I thought
30:18
there was intent behind it. Ryan, you agree that there was just random
30:22
timing, was no coincidence. But these are the guys that have gotten us
30:27
here. Shut your mouths, trust the process, right and uh and we'll
30:33
prove it again, you know. And I think both Bean and McDermott are
30:37
saying that collectively, it's okay. We They do have a point, you
30:41
know, they do have a point that they took an irrelevant I hate to
30:45
say it because they're the team I've rooted for, but they took an irrelevant
30:49
franchise and they made them into a contender. I mean, the Bills have
30:55
been one that we can all agree on is that they've been a contender.
30:59
It's just they're not the contender that we want them to be. We want
31:02
to be a super Bowl contender, not a playoff contender. There's a big
31:04
difference, but at the very least, we weren't a playoff team for almost
31:10
twenty years. From being not a playoff team for almost twenty years to a
31:14
playoff contender every year for the last five six years, and it's it's a
31:18
complete one eighty from what they were. Now they're respected and they're being talked
31:22
about and the national media and things like that. People don't think they're as
31:26
respected as they should be. But that's another story for another day. But
31:30
I do believe that they do have a point that trust the process, that
31:33
we're not finished yet. I mean, DT, you've talked about it before,
31:37
you've talked about a DT. You said that, you know, sometimes
31:40
McDermot probably probably shoots himself in the flint. I was listening to an old
31:44
episode here, like he wins thirteen twelve, thirteen games a year, he's
31:47
probably making it. He's making a horror on himself because you can't poke holes
31:49
in that argument they have they've won. I mean, that's that's that's definitely
31:55
true. Regular season success has been here. It's been a part of the
31:57
Bills and I don't know if I like to stand on but they're standing on
32:01
it for sure. And I hope being McDermott and Pagoulas know this, and
32:06
I hope it motivates them, like they have an opportunity right now where probably
32:09
Bill's fandom with social media and it's cool to be a Bills fan, Like
32:14
it is the most hype it has ever been, even probably through the Super
32:16
Bowls. Make way more eyes around the mafia, and it's cool to be
32:21
in the mafia. And it's like way more aggressiveness towards you know, the
32:23
stream being fandom. So these being McDermott Pagoulas have a chance to be like
32:30
the greatest ever if they just bring that ring to us, you know,
32:34
like all thiss goes away, they can lose out after that they get us
32:37
one, they have chance to become absolutely legendary, or the other side of
32:43
that coin is, you know, mediocre can never get us to the big
32:45
one. Was okay with being okay? Yeah, And I think that that's
32:50
one of the fears that I have. And you know, as we begin
32:52
to wrap up a little bit, I appreciate you guys time tonight. I
32:53
just wanted to kind of touch on it because as we get closer to training
32:58
camp, I wanted to make sure that everybody is on the same page in
33:00
respects to what the expectations are. That's why I really put out the pole.
33:04
I was very interested to know what everybody thought. I wanted to know
33:07
what everybody kind of had to say about it. What you know, since
33:10
everybody's keeping up for Sean McDermott, I wanted to gauge the fan base to
33:14
say, well, since everybody seems to love this guy, and I'm sitting
33:16
over here, get you know, catching darts because I want to question the
33:20
playoffs. I want to question certain things about his decision making and from salth
33:23
Capaccio on down, everybody's you know, shooting darts at me, then what
33:28
would be a success in your mind? And it was just interesting to see
33:30
the responses on it because I think that it's right below the surface. I
33:35
really do. And again we've talked about that. I understand that the Bagoulas
33:37
can fire him and still pay him, and that's no big deal, but
33:42
I think it lends a little bit behind the curtain. We get to peek
33:45
behind the curtain of how they view the job that they've been doing and I
33:47
and again it goes back to that cherry white they would sustain success. I'm
33:52
starting just to feel like they're not okay with losing, but okay with the
33:57
fact that they are there. How about that? Is that a better way
33:59
to say? Not? They don't they want to win. They want to
34:01
come to the playoffs, so they want to win those games. But they
34:04
leave that Cincinnati game and I'm walking to my car and I'm just cussing and
34:07
I'm cursing out everybody, and everybody's mad. They're more like, man,
34:12
that was a great season. We went through a lot. That type of
34:15
thing, you know what I mean, We're just so proud of these guys.
34:16
AFC Championship game. Our coach is kicking field goals. Man, that
34:21
was a really really great game. Oh that was so historic. You look
34:24
at all the points that they put up. You know, I can't believe
34:27
we lost that game, you know what I mean, that type of thing,
34:29
like that's so crazy, but not really mad or you know what I
34:31
mean, the Houston game or you know which I don't really don't put on
34:34
them too much, but like it's just a progression. It went from Houston
34:37
and then we go to the AFC Championship game. Then we go to you
34:40
know, like thirteen seconds, and it just seems to be like, oh,
34:45
you know, and if they're sitting in the back, like, oh
34:46
man, you guys, great job, great try. We're just happy that
34:52
we were on TV that we were here in this stage. I promise you
34:55
man that it's not gonna be okay for fans for a very It's just not
34:59
gonna I don't care if you sign them through twenty forty, it's not gonna
35:01
be okay forever. It won't be. And we hope this, we hope
35:05
this isn't just a big speculation and we look back on this episode and said,
35:07
all right, we were wrong, like they weren't okay with being okay
35:10
and get on the gas. And that's that's what the boffi Iss biggest open
35:14
is right now, because I think a lot of people aren't into this enough
35:17
like us. We're we're kind of where we're worried about it um to you
35:22
know, to kind of cause a scene on it. But it's not gonna
35:24
take long. It wouldn't take long, So we hope we avoid it.
35:28
Ryan, I'm not trying. I mean I know that we're you know,
35:30
Buffalo fan base, and we're trying to support each other. I've definitely not
35:32
trying. Yeah, I don't want to take it down into the Nicola City
35:37
a crew mud or anything like that. So I don't want to take your
35:39
your listeners down that hole. I'm not complaining, Ryan, But what I'm
35:43
trying to say, man, is that like, eventually, you know,
35:45
it's you know, okay, it's not okay. We did an episode about
35:50
growing up a couple of weeks ago, you know, and like it's it's
35:52
important for the fan base to be okay with not being okay. I think
35:57
that it's important for the fan base to grow up in to set expectations that
36:00
are a little bit higher than maybe what we've been used to. What I
36:05
get met with the most on Twitter is that you know, well, do
36:08
you want to go back to the drought. No, I don't want to
36:10
go back to the drought, you know, Like, no, that doesn't
36:14
make any sense, Like that is a that's a defense mechanism. You're just
36:16
saying, well, we used to be shitty, Like, so do you
36:19
want to be shitty again? Well, well no, I would prefer not
36:21
to be shitty again, Ryan, But like, do you understand where I'm
36:23
coming from because I don't want to. I don't want to take you down
36:25
the road that you don't want to go on. Man, I know that
36:28
we're trying to support each other, but I mean, eventually, it's not
36:30
okay. Eventually, eventually. And the biggest thing about it is, you
36:36
know, they went seventeen years without making the playoffs, and it was largely
36:42
for the same reason every year. They didn't have a quarterback. Quarterback,
36:45
Yes, that was the main reason, and it's the most important position in
36:49
the game. There were a lot of other reasons too, Don't get me
36:52
wrong. They couldn't hire a jam to save their life. They the front
36:54
office was terrible ownership. You know, Ralph was aging, and the motivation
37:00
wasn't the same as it was when they had Levy and Poleon and all that.
37:02
There's a lot of reasons, but that being the main reason, the
37:06
fact they didn't have a quarterback and they missed on that position so many times.
37:09
Now you finally have a quarterback, and not just any quarterback, but
37:15
he's undoubtedly the best quarterback of that class. I love Lamar Jackson two,
37:20
but the story surrounding Josh Allen going into that draft was massive, and obviously
37:28
he's become a big story. So I think, you know, the quarterback,
37:31
you don't want to waste his potential each year he's getting older. Yeah,
37:38
yeah, it's something that I don't think a lot of people want to
37:39
talk about DT has been on it for a while now and been talking about
37:44
it even back to last season in Nicols CITYR Crew about you know, wasting
37:46
Josh Allen's prime years. It's one of the main reasons why I want offensive
37:50
coach, because I don't want to keep churning out these offensive coordinators. DT,
37:53
I mean, seventeen is here. I sometimes feel like we take him
37:59
for anton because he is so electric and now we've got the mat and cover
38:02
and we've got a lot of different things that to be proud of him,
38:06
or we're proud of him. He's our he's our trophy. We can uplift
38:08
him. This This shit can turn sideways in a minute. Not that he's
38:12
going to demand a trade or anything like that. The NFL is not like
38:15
the NBA, but where you are, you're stacking these years on top of
38:17
each other. We've already talked about that where you could look around and you're
38:22
you're like, I went to one Super Bowl, or I went to you
38:24
know what I mean, two AC championship games in one super Bowl, or
38:28
or you know what I mean, you could you it can go Craig,
38:30
it can go left quick. In the NFL, I mean we talked about
38:32
Dan Marino, remember that, like he went second year in the league,
38:35
everybody thought he was gonna like the legal fire never went back again. Like
38:38
it can go, It can go sideways. I know that people don't want
38:42
to acknowledge it, but it can. I've I've lost enough hands in black
38:45
check to tell you that Josh Allens, We're not getting another QB like Josh
38:50
Allen ever ever, you know, so we're not lucky enough to get to
38:53
get too of this guy in our lifetime. So this is this is more
38:58
than just a good quarterback on this team, and that's got to be the
39:00
focal point of every game plan, of everything and building that line up,
39:04
building the trenches, you know, pushing the chips in to protect seventeen and
39:08
be give seventeen the weapons he needs like it all surrounds one seven. Everyone
39:13
knows that, but you know, sometimes his ownership and coach trust the process.
39:17
This is how we do it. Like sometimes you gotta you know,
39:21
you gotta drop that ship and get seventeen what he needs. Yeah, man,
39:23
I mean it's interesting, you know, as we begin to wrap up.
39:27
You know, Ryan, I appreciate you taking your time out of your
39:29
night tonight to be with us, because seventeen is a jewel, you know,
39:31
and he is something to be marveled at night, you know. You
39:34
know, I'm proud of him. I'm happy about the Maddened cover. I'll
39:37
put it up right behind me on the my wall, my Bill's wall,
39:39
and I'll frame it and it's all good. Man. I just don't want
39:43
the end of his career to come around and we're like, we could have
39:45
done more with him than we did to this point. We've got an AFC
39:50
Championship game appearance and a bunch of playoff losses that don't sit very well with
39:55
us, and I'm just wondering, if, you know, if there's anything
40:00
that we can do different about it, And and it kind of leads me
40:04
back to the Pakula point because he's the guy that writes to check. So
40:07
if he's if he doesn't, if he doesn't care that he's got a defensive
40:09
coach, then who the hell am I? I mean, I'm Rob Crippin
40:13
and Charlotte North Carolina. I've running a small podcast. He doesn't give a
40:16
shit about me, So I'm just wondering who could be in his ear,
40:20
who was going to to to you know, light that fire, because eventually
40:23
there's got to be a fire lit where they're looking at it, like,
40:27
Wow, a generational quarterback and we've got one AFC Championship Game appearance, we've
40:31
got no Super Bowl appearances. Eventually, somebody in his circle has got to
40:37
you know, speak up or say something, right. I mean, maybe
40:39
that's just wishful thinking. Is that wishful thinking? DT? Is that wishful
40:46
thinking? Ryan? I mean? What is that eventually? Like? Do
40:51
we have to scream loud enough to get somebody to hear us? Ryan?
40:58
What you got for me? Man? So? I think right now,
41:02
more than any other year, whether it's you know, the pressure being on
41:07
McDermott or being you could you could even say that more than any other year,
41:10
there's never been more pressure or more anticipation heading into any Buffalo Bill's season
41:16
than this one. And I think that maybe it would be the year after
41:20
thirteen Seconds, but I think it's the year after they fell apart essentially or
41:24
didn't even show up against the Cincinnati Bengals. And I hate to put it
41:29
that way, but they didn't and they know that. So how do they
41:32
back from that? What do they do this next season? That is going
41:37
to be different from how they you know, bounce back from thirteen seconds.
41:42
They did bounce back from thirteen seconds. And I don't want to take anything
41:45
away from the season that they had last year. They on thirteen games,
41:49
they lost a couple by a combined eight points. You know, they had
41:52
a great season last year with everything that they endure. But that's lip service.
41:58
We want results, as we talked about earlier, want a super Bowl.
42:00
And the way that we get back at doing that is by understanding just
42:05
how great of a team we are without putting pressure on ourselves. I think
42:08
a lot of it is a is an incombustion. They understand just as well
42:14
as the fans do, how talented that they are and that the results haven't
42:16
been seen yet, which adds more mature. Where I look at this season,
42:22
this divisions, there's to win, this is there's this division is still
42:25
there is there's still the Rulers, the beast of the East. They should
42:30
easily win this division. I don't think either team, the Patriots, that's
42:34
the Dolphins, got any better towards that. And we know the hierarchy of
42:39
the AFC. We know the Bengals are good, we know the Chiefs are
42:43
gonna be good, but we know that we're gonna be good too, and
42:45
we need that. We need to have that swagger that those teams in the
42:49
past had, but allow them to go back to the super Bowl again and
42:52
again and again despite losing, was due to the swagger that they had and
42:57
they knew that they could get back. The Bills have to have that same
43:00
attitude this time around this year. Yeah, a little changeup, a little
43:04
changeup of you know, from humble and hungry to we're gonna beat your ass,
43:07
you know. So that's that's what it's gotta be. Yeah, and
43:10
we talked about it multiple times, rob On. Here is the fact of
43:15
there's nowhere to hide for Sean McDermott. Now you're calling the plays, you've
43:19
got to get more aggressive. I think we've made it clear that mafia will
43:22
speak if if we have the same old you know, outs, which will
43:25
in turn make go Google listen, make McDermot listen hopefully, and you know,
43:30
we can we can only hope we're wrong going into that because there's nowhere
43:32
to hide, and the expectations are still high, you know, not as
43:37
hide in the national media, but they're even higher I think in Bill's Mafia
43:38
than they were, you know, going into last year. Oh, there's
43:42
no question about it. That's why the episode's named the way that it is
43:45
is because pressure does bus pipes ian. We are getting ready to find out
43:47
a lot about this coach this season. Um. I can't wait because I
43:52
really do want to remove all doubt. I want to remove things off the
43:55
table as excuses. I don't want any more excuses and respects to again.
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Like I mean, I'm I can beat the dead horse. I want to.
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I want to get beat. I want to be able to say I
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got beat and we just got beat and it was just we weren't the better
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team that day, not not this convoluted and was at the coaches fall and
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who's calling the plays? And what's going on with this? And who had
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lined up like this and this and pooch. I don't I don't care about
44:20
any of that ship anymore. I'm ready for to hold somebody accountable because what
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happens is after these bone crushing and soul crushing losses, you don't get any
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you don't get any answers anyway. Thirteen seconds, they didn't tell this shit.
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I mean, you know, to me last year if they get you
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know, we got Josh Allen on a podcast the other day and you know
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earlier last month that he's talking about how they ran out of gas. You
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know, well, I understand and and you guys have both spoken to you
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know, some of the you know, adversities that they had. We've got
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the you know, the the racist massacres at tops, We've got the you
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know, the the actual winter storms, and we've got a couple of them.
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They've they were displaced and they're in Detroit for a couple of weeks right
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around the holidays. They missed Christmas because they're stuck in Chicago. We could
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do the weather. So I understand that they went through a lot of things.
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However, it comes to the point where you know, you're a professional,
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and like I told, I told everybody, everything that we wanted last
45:07
year was right at our fingertips. I mean, we had the game right
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at home. That's what you want. You want to be hosting, you
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in I mean, apparently that's what you want. You know, you guys
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want to be hosting, and they're I mean, it just was weird.
45:19
I want to be able to say at the end of the year that we
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that we lost either we won the Super Bowl and we're all getting ready for
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the parade, or we lost because we were not the better team, not
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because of other circumstances. And it seems like there's always been a little bit
45:31
of a backdoor out every year where well, what happened, Well I don't
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really know what happened. Well let's just argue all offseason about what happened.
45:37
Okay, well, let's just argue about it all. No, I want
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to be able to have it clear cut. Sean mcderring calling the defense.
45:44
I heard rumors that he, you know, stripped Leslie Fraser of the play
45:46
call and duties. Okay, no problem. Some people just want to be
45:50
able to say that they're they're the man, that they're responsible. It's all
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gonna follow me. I totally can respect that. Now we'll see. Now
45:58
we're getting ready to see, it's going to be nowhere for him to hide.
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So I'm really excited to see how how it all, you know,
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unfolds and what happens, because this is um this has been an offseason that
46:07
has been rather frustrating because I'm not calling for this guy's job. DT has
46:12
not called for this guy's job. But you just get hit with all of
46:15
the MacDermott supporters who want to tell you to go back to the drought.
46:19
And I'm I'm not I'm not accepting that as uh, I'm not accepting that
46:22
as an argument. You'll have to come up with something better, please.
46:25
So I'll be watching this guy, and I know that you guys will as
46:30
well. Um, it's interesting that Pagoula thing. Maybe we have to dig
46:31
into that a little bit more a DT, because I don't know, man,
46:35
that Jeremy White messed me up with that the states that says and I
46:37
just like said back one man, I'm like, wait a minute, is
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the owner just want to keep the car out of the ditch And that's totally
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That's a human that's a human feeling. And I understand. I could you
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only imagine only a professional franchise, So I get it. Um, I
46:54
would really like a parade more than just making the playoffs. I love it,
46:58
I enjoy it. I really want to parade DT. I want to
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I want to parade right and I want to parade DT. I'm sorry right
47:05
there when somebody on Twitter something girl called me selfish or Twitter the other day
47:07
because I was talking shit about me because I'm like, what, I'm not
47:09
selfish because I want to win a championship. Like what you get your expectations
47:14
in line? Like, get your priorities in line? Do you this is
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entertainment? What do you want to watch for? You want to watch just
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to see him go out in the first round, in the second round?
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No, I want to watch to see them win the whole thing. I
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want to show up for parade guys that if I a bad guy, if
47:28
I badia remember like get I get my card taken away. You're speaking for
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a lot of us. You're speaking for a lot of us. With with
47:36
with that take, A lot of people would agree with you on that we've
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suffered. I think no fan base has suffered the way that the Bills mafia
47:44
has suffered to the point where we were America's you know, national storybook team.
47:50
I mean, had they gone through Cincinnati like a hot nine through butter
47:54
had they made it to the Super Bowl, no team would have been playing
48:00
in with the amount of momentum on their side that Bills would have been heading
48:02
into a super Bowl against the Eagles. And I know the Eagles were a
48:06
great team, but I can't help but wonder what if, as I mentioned
48:08
these two years, you know, what if they played the Rams, could
48:13
they beat them? I think they could have. What if they went through
48:15
Cincinnati and went through and needed to get through to get to uh Philly,
48:20
could they won that one too? You know, the talent on this team
48:24
is undeniable and it's only a matter of time. But time is ticking,
48:30
the clock is doesn't it doesn't stop thing and they need to make it happen.
48:35
Yeah, it does, it's not doesn't. Running out of excuses,
48:38
running out of excuses. I love it, man. I appreciate you guys
48:44
tonight as always, Uh please spread love not Hey, these were my bills
48:47
thoughts set out loud. Check out again our guest tonight. I really appreciate
48:52
you taking some time out of your your your night tonight. Ryan check him
48:55
out at Ryan Thomas Take. He's on the Buffalo Face based podcast network with
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us here at Nickel City Crewe We're just going to be doing a lot more
49:04
of the stuff throughout the offseason as we approach the twenty twenty three season,
49:07
just trying to, you know, just ingratiate everybody. Man. You know,
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Buffalo fan Base is a great network. I love a lot of the
49:14
content creators. I think that you guys are ultra talented and Ryan kind of
49:16
stuck out to me. So I appreciate you taking some time out of your
49:20
night tonight, man to be with us. Man. Yeah, it's a
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pleasure. Thank you guys for having me on. I sincerely apologize for all
49:27
the lucky Internet issues. I hope I'm not jumping in front of anybody right
49:30
now, but I really appreciate you guys having me on. My door is
49:34
always open for you guys to have me on. I don't have these issues
49:37
when I have people on my show. We have the issues when I do
49:39
one other show. Know why. But it's just the Rubik's Cube that is
49:44
the Internet, I guess. But I really love it. You know your
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show. I loved the intro, loved everything we discussed tonight, and I
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look forward to chatting with you guys soon. Thank you. Yes, for
49:54
sure, we are going to take a break before training camp, so this
49:59
will be our last episode before training camp, and again DT and I will
50:01
be back when the pads start clicking clacking, I mean they are coming up
50:06
at the end of the month. I'm really excited. Um. This season
50:09
is just um. There's just so many different reasons why I'm excited for it.
50:12
That a lot of a lot of the covers will be pulled back and
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we'll get a chance to kind of see what we have here with this team,
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and some of the guts of the team will be able to see as
50:21
well. So I'm excited about it. Hit them, hit him, Want
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to go Bills DT. I mean you're ready, Yeah, go Bills,
50:29
get your last golf swings in and get ready to work. Yeah. Man,
50:31
everybody enjoys some Stay safe out there. The players will be back.
50:35
Like I said, I think it's the week of the twenty fourth camp starts,
50:37
so I mean we're only a couple of weeks away, believe it or
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not. So as always, man, hit him up, Man, Go
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Bills, Go Bills, Go Bills.