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Episode 1546 - Paid Protester CEO Tells All · Drinkin‘ Bros Podcast

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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to drinking froes presented by OmahaStakes.com Sit back relax and have a fucking true experience!
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[SPEAKER_06]: kids we got a wild Tuesday afternoon show for you here from time to time uh... dantany and i will talk about certain subjects throughout the week and then sometimes they reach out to a love to be on the show loved chat about it love to chat about the company and everything you guys were talking about um... today uh... is involving
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[SPEAKER_06]: paid protesters.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Anthony, this is something that has popped up a lot on our show over the last four years.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Today we have CEO Adam Swartz from crowds on demand, who is in charge of actually hiring these paid protesters and then sending them to events around the country.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not all of them.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not all of them, but a lot of them, right Adam?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a drinking prose podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't normally drink this early, but I do have a little bloody Mary in front of me here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Cheers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll drink with you in and honestly, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I want to cheers you for one thing is actually coming on the show to talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is a very, very controversial subject.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I always thought that you guys lived in the shadows.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that's, nobody was supposed to know what you look like, who you were, what your organization was, and all that other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And when we were connected together, I said, is he coming on with his face?
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[SPEAKER_06]: With his real body?
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's not an AI.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's his voice going to be muffled.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is it going to be one of those deep voices where we're not going to understand it?
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[SPEAKER_06]: And he said, no, no, it's actually going to be me on the show.
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[SPEAKER_06]: First of all, let's start with your backgrounds, where you're from, what college you went to and how you got started here, and then we'll obviously go into why you decided to create crowds on demands.
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[SPEAKER_06]: How did you grow up?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Did you grow up in politics?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, well, there is actually a conspiracy theory that I am AI and that the whole my face and everything It's just like AI and I'm a fake person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't that's not true, but it is on the internet somewhere in the deep Through all of the internet Well, you just have to you have to hold your hands up in front of your face because AI can't do hands.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They can't do hands Yes, so if your hands are up in your fingers just wiggle your fingers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They think you're good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's real person
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[SPEAKER_00]: internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I grew up in California.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been interested in politics from a early age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually involved more as an activist, a campaign worker, mostly on the Democratic side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm definitely an independent now of lost faith in the Democratic party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not just saying we won't work with liberal causes when they're on the side of common sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We absolutely will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't a loyalty to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I worked on a lot of campaigns, political campaigns, actually the inspiration for this business was in college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to UCLA, and I was working on all these campaigns and the guys who were running these campaigns at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the early 2010s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we're out of the 60s and they were college students in the 60s where you just put a poster up in the quad in 5,000 students show up, you know, to protest whatever the latest injustice is, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when they were coming at it from that angle, so they would always say, Adam, bring out 5,000 students to this rally here or get pursed to protest there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, guys,
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[SPEAKER_00]: much, much more difficult these days because there's a lot more competing things for attention and the culture has changed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what we found is when we were able to turn people out to protest too rally and made a huge difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I always say this, but imagine the greatest speeches you've ever heard with like two people in attendance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine Martin Luther King delivered us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a dream speech and like ten people were there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same speech
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[SPEAKER_00]: different context, it would not have the same resonance in our culture as it does today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I go into thinking, okay, well, that's for rallies, but what about protests?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the math that works even better for protests, guys, because let's just say someone's having a rally with a thousand people out there, I put.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 people outside protesting that person, then the media, especially the media that's more favorable to your side is going to cover the rally, but they're also going to cover the protests even though only 2% of people at the rally were actually at the protest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, so it's really good math.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to thinking, hey, we're delivering thousands, hundreds of thousands millions, really in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: value and earn media to these political campaigns and we're getting paid terribly why not actually pay people to go turn out if they're providing all this benefit for campaigns and then I started getting into business disputes into certain other like kind of personal dispute resolution through pro-tat public protests and through kind of publicity campaigns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how I got here today 13 years later.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Interesting because I spent a lot of time on UCLA's campus in Westwood.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We did a lot of events there, a lot of movies there, a lot of movie premieres there, and actually I met my wife, my current wife, all in.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What do you mean your current wife?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll see how she does tonight.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, when the way she left today, she's on, she's on her last shot I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, we've been together for 14 years, but I went to the independent theater on UCLA's campus there in Westwood, and that's, I saw her on screen and ended up casting her in a movie there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I know that area very, very well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The fact that you went to UCLA,
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[SPEAKER_06]: You saw a lot of protests right across the streets.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I believe it's on Sunset or Santa Monica Boulevard there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There is the government building where there seems like there was a protest.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the federal building.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a protest there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And it was a protest there every single day.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't remember a day driving out there or driving by there or being on campus where there wasn't a protest directly on your campus.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is that what you saw on a day-to-day basis in college?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of protests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one of the things is even more so than not was the demand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm way models ahead of all the surprise about the campus activism that's kind of come in in the last two, three years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because when I was on campus, you know, they would throw tantrums all the time about who knows what and they would almost always get what they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually learned a lot of successful tactics from them and I actually used them for certain conservative clients as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we serve the, I like I always say I serve common sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if the liberals are in the side of common sense, we work on the left and if the conservatives are on the side of common sense, we work on the right
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I learned a lot from how they do it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these guys are extremely effective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The campus protesters, they would protest the administration, they call them racist, they call them sexist, they call them every name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that didn't work, they would then go to the regions, they would go to the board, they would constantly find that one thing they were very good at was finding who was in power and what their interests are and going right after those interests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I learned a lot of what I learned what I use today for our clients from watching how these activists kind of work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of it caught up with them last year in the Israel Palestine issues because they're so used to getting what they want 100% of the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then they were up against this equal, but opposite force from the donor is saying no we don't want you to do this Palestine stuff and then it really created a major controversy and you saw that on the UCLA campus but on many other campuses as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah these college protesters they made a movie about it it might be too old for you I don't know how old you are but it's called PCU
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, I got to watch it though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you should watch it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, John Aynes, John Fabro, it was John Fabro's first lead in a movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, it was a ton of guys.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, uh, the, the, the, it was, it launched all their careers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The protesters were called cause heads.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't really know what they were protesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like something to do for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is, you know, the average person that's at a protest is a fucking idiot for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have no idea what they're doing there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Or they don't understand the causes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they understand it at a superficial level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's typically, but the so does the American voter, in a lot of ways, understand things of the superficial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll push back a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of times, people don't have to be informed about an issue that, well, to kind of have a general understanding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think one thing that I think is very much present in our media is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Left-wing media picks apart people at Trump rallies, Trump media, right-wing media picks apart kind of left-wing protesters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what they always try to, when I think it is unfair on both sides, is they try to pick out some idiot, some radical, some kind of smelly hippie, if it's on the left side or some kind of person who says something racially insensitive, it's on the right side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they try to basically say, okay, well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is an indication that these protesters or don't know what they're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not incumbent on protesters to be extremely informed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can be someone who kind of says, hey, I generally have this viewpoint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to know everything about a viewpoint to say I'm going to go support it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys think?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the exact opposite of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people should be absolutely informed and clearly so not just on the specific
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[SPEAKER_02]: purpose or whatever the cause they're talking about, but the underlying principles as well, before they show up to protest or vote for anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a process by which an idea gains popularity, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's meaning, it's impact or effect, it's underlying principles and how it applies to everyone, et cetera, and then the test of public opinion as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And part of the test of public opinion,
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[SPEAKER_02]: is whether or not somebody cares enough about that issue and is informed enough about that issue to get up off of their ass and go to the protest or go to the vote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a huge part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me let me kind of push back on that again respectfully is that it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does costs for each individual person to protest are different, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're someone who's a flex worker, retired, a tech worker, you can work your own hours, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're retired, you're a stay-at-home mom, those sort of things that and the kids are in school, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the costs for you to attending the protest is, is whatever other leisure activity you were going to do that day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know who you don't see out at protests except at our protest crowds on man's protest is janitors housekeepers made McDonald's employees hourly workers right because the cost to those people to going out to a protest is maybe they get fired maybe they work it they have a day without hey right so I don't know what you guys think about that idea but
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[SPEAKER_00]: it doesn't seem fair and I don't know what your politics are but what I will say is that the idea that no one should be compensated for protests actually benefits the left because a lot of people in the left are less likely to have kids more likely to have flex jobs less likely to kind of have the responsibilities that would preclude them from attending a protest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a result, protests on the left tend to be actually more overrepresented than those on the right, because if you have kids, you have a nine to five job and all those sorts of things to cost for you to attend a protest is higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know whether that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you disagree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't feel like it's fair that some people don't have to sacrifice to go to protests and some people do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And our platform crowds on demand actually makes it possible for a lot of people who have those responsibilities to go out and protest for the causes that they support.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and what in what way?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so the person that has a nine to five job or
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[SPEAKER_02]: a child to look after.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They get paid a couple hundred bucks to go protest for they.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand how you're offsetting the fact that you can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't call to my boss for like, hey, I can get paid to protest today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then now I'm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can go all push back again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, it would easily pay for the cost of childcare for that day, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the pay for the protest would more than pay for whatever the cost of your childcare situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one example for sure, but somebody that has a full-time job can't disqual it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, if you're an hourly worker who can arrange to take time off, but typically that's not paid time off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a matter of no, I'm not showing up because I'm protesting it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, you're not working that day, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're getting paid in another way.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I understand what you're saying and here's the confusion that I think both of us have and I think this is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is being paid to protest versus what Dan was saying earlier of doing a protest because it is something you believe in and it's not a job therefore the people that are there might not necessarily believe in what they're protesting they're just getting paid money.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that's what I struggle with because I was naive about it until Dan informed me that most of these protesters are paid.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I was one of those Americans and I'll fully admit this that I did not believe that people were getting paid to protest.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What's the right wing hoax?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of those right wing hoaxes on those days that it's, you know, that's not real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's obviously happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've been talking about this for so amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not, you're not very shy about talking about what your company does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not at all because I'm not embarrassed about what we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm proud of what we do and actually part of why I come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, shows like yours is actually to kind of explain what I do and you guys may or may not agree by the end of our discussion with what we do But I like that at least haven't explained it because the way that you guys let in with the episode is, hey, I always thought this might be some shady thing and the idea of no, it's not it's actually something that's very above board Um
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[SPEAKER_06]: I guess the way that it's above board, but you're influencing, you know, Americans, media, everything else by, by me, and I'll raise my hand again.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm the dumb one here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would look at a protest and be like, oh, shit, those 30,000 people that are there at this protest and they do genuinely believe in what they're protesting and we
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[SPEAKER_00]: what we have genuinely believes in what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what we do is I always say it's like a reverse jury questionnaire and the jury questionnaire you're trying to get people who are unbiased.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to get people who are biased.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what we do is we compensate people for showing up to support the causes that they believe and just like YouTube, gentlemen, presumably are compensated for this show as you well should be you guys do a great job, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I assume what I'm hearing from both of you guys
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to share the views you're being paid because you're giving up your day to host this show That's very entertaining that your audience really enjoys right so so we do all all the protesters just so we're clear Actually believe in the issues and is there a question here?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, I said, do you send out a question here?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Saying, hey, I've got this BLM protest today.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Can you fill out this form of why you believe in this and then we'll vet you and then you go out and sue the marketplace and then protest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, similar, right, similar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I put it this way to your listeners who, I think you guys, my senses, you guys, lean conservative, so I'm, I'm, I put it to your listeners, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If someone offered you guys a couple hundred bucks, hundred bucks to go to a BLM rally, would you take the money?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Assuming there were even, that assuming there were no personal or professional costs for you to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing the answer is a resounding no for any of your concerns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know plenty of people on the other side who would not take any amount of money to go to a Trump rally, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the reality is that the amount of money we pay is definitely enough to get people off their butts and out there, but it's not so much to get people to give up their sincere convictions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually, it's there to
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're there to to show up and support of your convictions not against your case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That part doesn't really concern me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I don't I don't think that people I don't think they're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can people are showing up to BLM rallies because they're getting paid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's true.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, I mean either, but to his points, it is interesting, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, what do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_06]: What?
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[SPEAKER_06]: The people that are actually going to these things, do believe in it at least?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course they do, no, what is going to, like, I mean, at least, they're at least either ambivalent about it or adjacent, I suppose, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because people, it would have to be a considerable amount of money for people just to throw their lives and public persona away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People don't do that, typically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, to me, this is sophistry, this is, you know, it's, it's, it's, you're kind of, not you specifically, but I mean the process, praise on,
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... sophistry the bandwagon fallacy the fact the idea that the more people who are involved in this movement the better it looks to everyone publicly that's a form of propaganda people right that's not that's not real that's right hang on it's not it's in organic right it's not real yes but so and that's what i meant by that so it's like
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a natural indicator that people are indeed curious when a politician shows up in 5 or 10,000 people show up, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If some dipshit shows up and there's 5 or 10,000 people understand dumb stuff, you're like, all right, this is weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it's, it's a now, it's when people actually invest their own time, unpaid time,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and something to visit and participate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a natural indicator that people are indeed curious and engaged in the speech or subject.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a logical fallacy called bandwagon fallacy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The human brain is conditioned to think if a lot of people are engaged in something that it must be true, it must be meaningful, it must be important, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm that the guy, yeah, but it's not true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost never true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look, this stuff happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the reasons
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Tea Party back in the day, who was primarily funded by the Coke brothers who I've railed on quite a bit over the years, did the same exact thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one thing to do it for a political cause you believe in is another thing entirely to do it from money in my opinion, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that matters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm curious from your perspective, you say that you are principled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and your stances, and you have certain opinions, what opinions exactly, what are your, I mean, so you say, you say you don't take on any cause to support it that isn't, that isn't, I don't remember what the word you used was, was it rational or what was that common sense?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this makes you, this process by which you have this business, makes you the arbiter of what is and is not common sense, and that's inorganic, you see that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, let's unpack a couple of things that you said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So number one, kind of the description of the software, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're completely right that if you're saying, hey, humans behave through a bandwagon philosophy, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what you're arguing for, but like if you actually take your argument to its logical conclusion, we wouldn't have advertising, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because advertising is bandwagon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you see a very attractive woman drinking a beer, you're going to buy that beer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the product should also be good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to have a 300 pound smelly guy drinking now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the difference is somebody can pick up one of my Seltos drink it and if it's bad, they can throw it on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if they go out and elect somebody, it's four fucking years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the difference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These two things are incomparable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I'm saying is the same point that you guys are marketing, and I'm not and I support your guys' marketing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying this is an example, your hard-seller, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to have a 300 pound smelly guy out there as your marketer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have attractive men, attractive, probably more attractive women out there marketing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it depends on philosophy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you're saying, y'know, okay, there's bandwagoning, of course, what we try to do is the right context.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've mentioned the Tea Party, so let me talk about that for a second, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me give you two kind of examples of kind of where what we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always say what we do is a catalyst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, catalyst means we start something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, if it's not a movement that has lags, it's not really going to grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To a point in perspective, the Tea Party, I mean, you're right that it was funded by the Coke Brothers, you're a critic of the Tea Party, but it wasn't extremely successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Movement that had a ton of very genuine supporters, but it was catalyzed by the Coke Brothers and other conservative wealthy donors, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then market it on conservative media, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if then it grew naturally, convert up because, but only because they put in that money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, conversely, if you look at Jeb Bush, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeb Bush ran 2016, raised, I want to say $200 million, I mean, that's a lot of money for a primary candidate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He ran, he was the favorite, by the way, in that election, too, in the polls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Part and say that again he was the the favorite and that election yes, and you know why he was the favor He put all this money in but once people actually thought he put a lot of money which got his name out there So everybody knew his name obviously had name recognition from his brother as well But his money got his name out there
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[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, he couldn't sell a message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people are actually smarter than we give them credit for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bandwagon, and as you said around your seltzer, the hot girl marketing, the seltzer, is gonna get them to drink the seltzer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's crap, they're gonna throw it on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with a kid and they did exactly that to Jeb Bush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The marketing and all the money for Jeb they got his name out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, the voters, the Republican primary voters, were not happy with the product Jeb was selling and they ultimately rejected him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not about, okay, you have a crowd and then therefore you get elected, the crowd only gets you visibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your message then has to sell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess my response to what you're saying is like kind of disagree with the premise of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, the premise is correct.
23:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand the point you're trying to make here, but it isn't the marketing that I take issue with or the outcome, it's the stakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Tea Party, the underlying principles of that movement were not liberty and all the other stuff that they talked about on the surface.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was to bust the unions and get citizens united made into law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Citizens United were unlimited money could be spent in politics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, my ad goes into the universe, whether I use a hot girl or a fat dude,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's probably more fat dudes for us to be friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, based on audience, but somebody picks up one can, drinks it and it sucks and they can throw it on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or they pick up one can, look at our social media, decide they disagree with it and they can throw it on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can move on, pretty much immediately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have we moved on from citizens united or do we have a fully purchased Congress?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The stakes are quite clearly different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm not working out the way I need to or eating the way I need to.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Daddy's coaching football, all right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You try to run down a list of the of all the flavors that are available in those level one bars And it's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's like I'm it's like you're reading off the goddamn cheese cake factory menu or something And you think well, they're making this many they can't be good every single one of them is good
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's got their favorite, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I've never had a bad one though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've never had a bad one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I finally had the cookies and cream that my kids were eating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still haven't had that one actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have the pumpkin spice I haven't had.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chocolate peanut butter pretzel is my favorite for sure.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then I think maybe peanut butter jelly is my second strawberry smash cake for me and then that salted caramel.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that was now creeps up into my top three as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But it changes depending upon what's in my desk and when
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I said, hey, man, we take our flavors for a hard day after, very seriously.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like clearly you guys do too.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What's the secret and everything else?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I love those guys, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Everything they do across the board, even their powder, their powder dude, which is old school.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's still a lot of people that does the powder and they do what the milk, that you were talking about.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I had that strawberry powder the other day when I worked out,
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[SPEAKER_06]: God, damn it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So no matter what you're doing protein wise, whether it's powder or the bars, bars got 20 grams of protein in it as well, low calories, and all that other stuff, and it helps win your kids off of candy, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want a little treat, I like a little treat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I put the powder in Greek yogurt stir it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you mix it with a cup of Greek yogurt and then just one scoop of this stuff, you're getting like 30 grams of protein right before bed.
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[SPEAKER_06]: My wife mixes it up for me in the whole milk.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like, she's in that hippie shit too, where she's just like, yeah, it's like there's nothing to hippie about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Eating real food is not hippie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I was always concerned with the calories and whole milk all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's he shouldn't ever be concerned about that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and that's what he's trying to say and what I agree with as well is you are getting people elected, and yes, I understand like the jet bushing, I think is an excellence point.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Trump did not have any money in that's primary.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I remember it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I remember very well because we covered it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That was actually yes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And by the way, that was actually when we started a podcast in 2015.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We were ahead of everybody, however.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I went to the rallies and went to all the things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trump, what Trump has is worth more than any dollar amount.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody else has it, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just a fucking lunatic.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Typically, like the Jeb Bush, Bush is Jeb Bush's of the world.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I also agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know who he was.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, his last name was Bush, but my first question was, oh, is he related?
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[SPEAKER_06]: And it was like, oh, yeah, that's his brother.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you spent all this money.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He was a boring candidate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Trump didn't have any money.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, not on his own, but in that particular primary, he wasn't backed by any donors.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They didn't think he was a serious candidate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then it was, I think, and maybe you can dispel this right now, all of these organic people going to these rallies and everything else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Again, I'm the dumb one here.
32:45
[SPEAKER_06]: He's the smart one on the show.
32:46
[SPEAKER_06]: So you can just go back and forth on that smart.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Ah, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I used to be smarter, but his mustache actually has several advanced degrees.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, my mustache actually ran that that primer age 2015.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it ran Trump's primary, not Joe Bush.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a fucking loser.
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[SPEAKER_06]: right, but you know, obviously that's one example, but to dance points, what happens when the wrong people get elected and we've seen are on both sides.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm not just going to say Republican and Democrat, I'll go with George Santos or an AOC or somebody like that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: do you ever feel bad when you've worked on these campaigns it actually does work the wrong people get in there and I think that's what Dan's point is is they're in there for four, six years, two years, whatever it is and then that either that district is fucked the state is fucked that country could be potentially fucked because of something that you have created.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what you're saying is an indictment on the whole American political system, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that there's money in politics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not, that's not really a, that's not really directed at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say, so, so I'm not offended by it because it's really not directed at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's directed at the advertisers, the consultants, the media, the, um, the social media bloggers,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know the the TikTok influencers, the Instagram influencers, the Twitter influencers, the billionaires who fund campaigns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're you're you're talking about me as one tiny part of a grander flawed system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, if you're saying, hey, the system is flawed because we you can use money, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to get people elected and get policies enacted that are against the will of a vast majority of the people, then I don't disagree with you, but what I would push back is insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that we work on a lot of what I call common sense and you're right that I'm the arbiter of what I choose to take on as common sense is there are a lot of cases that we've taken on where 80% of the people favor one side 20% maybe 10% favor the other side but it is those 10 or 20% that's are always out at city council meetings, always out rallying, pushing, writing their representative and 80%
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[SPEAKER_00]: are just silently or quietly on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We actually, in many cases, are hired by interests within that 80% to give voice to the silent majority, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was Nixon's term, the silent majority.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Can you give us some examples?
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[SPEAKER_06]: So that way, we would know of what you've worked on that's.
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[SPEAKER_06]: helped.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That was for the good like an 80 20 issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's what Trump is one example that probably a 99 to one issue, which is one of my favorite proudest campaigns was called Delete Facebook, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this occurred in the aftermath of the 2016 election where everyone was mad at Facebook, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Conservatives have never liked Facebook because it's Zuckerberg, you know, Silicon Valley, it's liberal, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, liberals didn't like it because there was this perception that it was manipulated by Russia or in by Trump, uh, to to get him elected in 2016.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously, there were other activists who kind of noted the fact that Facebook kind of caught indirectly caused, you know, genocide and Myanmar, you know, through their algorithm, pushing out this information and kind of, uh, racist content over there, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was, there were
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't even a business mode if it was kind of people who made a lot of money investing in Facebook who said what on earth have we created, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically what happened was we did all these rallies, you know, for a few years there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hashtag delete Facebook around all these events that the company would do, you know, that's what I remember doing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I remember all of them and we were on
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll note two kind of two wins from that effort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, they changed their name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They called themselves met at because the Facebook name is so torrential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't just us, they did it to themselves, but that the Facebook name was associated with division and destruction that they don't even wanna be associated with that name anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right number one, number two, they deemphasize political content on their platform and they are now emphasizing commercial content instead in deemphasizing political advertisements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm in no way endorsing their company or their management at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think they are extremely flawed, extremely bad company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But our campaign created a immense reforms at
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[SPEAKER_00]: a company that is pretty much despised by 99% of people in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you mentioned before the billionaires who fund campaigns, you don't work with billionaires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, of course we work with billionaires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who doesn't work with billionaires?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in the sense that you're working for billionaires, whether you like it or not, because even if you're not directly working for them, you're working for them in one way or another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's one thing to be a grosser at Costco and it's another thing to take their money directly to influence politics on their behalf so they can make more money, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you certainly, there's a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, sometimes it's actually, I will say, one misnomer is that everything billionaires are trying to do, and I'm not defending billionaires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of them have done a lot of evil stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of times there's, I've actually had clients who are very wealthy, sometimes billionaires are close to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who are backing campaigns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say, wait, this is actually against your commercial interests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, a lot of them are very, very driven by policy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that might be misguided policy desires, but nonetheless, policy,
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[SPEAKER_00]: implications more so than profit although plenty of them are interested in lining their own pockets as well of course So but again a lot of your Those questions center on the fact that yes do extremely wealthy people and corporations have Disproportionate influence in the United States of America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they do I am not
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[SPEAKER_00]: the root of why that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am absolutely not the root of why that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to ask advertisers, board members, all kinds of people who are essentially emboldening that fact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why would say you'd have to ask the Supreme Court at this point because they're the ones that may have citizens united the law, but I do think, you know, in billionaires, speaking of billionaires, my buddy, Jared, Isaac, men's of billionaires, he's taken me flying jets next weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So really, there's at least one good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I looked at it and not to say all billionaires are about it and and I hate that statement of tax the rich did you do that one was that you were was that just organic For rent yeah, I was not I would not have done that because I think it's a misleading slogan so I don't know whether I would have been behind that if it's a specific tax proposal on a specific side I'm happy to look at it, but we did not invent that slogan no
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[SPEAKER_06]: because I think capitalism is great for a country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, but it's like anything else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the phrase uses the best of all the bad systems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I will note that you say, oh, well, this is my friend, a billionaire that you like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like congressmen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of condemn them all, but say, oh, I like this one guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I like my congressmen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I condemn them all.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he's definitely condemns all of them.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He hates every single person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody that takes my equity money else, I hate him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, government sucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you're talking about a flop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a, you're talking about this flawed system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And from my perspective, and I agree with you, 100% about the nature of the system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, and I don't mean to, this to sound accused, Jorge, but it does seem like you just slide in and start a business.
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[SPEAKER_02]: profiting off of that flawed system and a lot of people do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every political consultancy on earth does that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Many of whom are friends of ours and stuff, so it's not, I'm not meaning, I don't mean rather to insult you with that statement, but that is what's going on, so I'm curious how you contextualize that from your standpoint, because it's fucked up, it's not like
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, uh, the somebody's house is on fire in your roasting marshmallows or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that fucked up, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it is, it is a fucked up system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we are all profiting to some degree off of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We profit off of it for talking about it as well to be frank.
41:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me, let me push back in two ways.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things is, and I haven't always done this.
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me just admit here on your podcast that we haven't always done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have, we have, we have,
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the past, done causes that maybe we don't 100% agree with, but over the past six years, I think it was 2020-2019 that they said, we are going to focus on being a force for good right in this world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, I'm the arbiter of what that means and my definition, so like this delete Facebook thing, I'm very proud of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some people like Facebook, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who I've never met, someone who does, but maybe someone who
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[SPEAKER_00]: disagreements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I point to a lot of the campaigns that we have done that have actually made things better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, you are right, the broader system is flawed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I try to do is take on campaigns that actually make the world a better place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, we make the world a better place within the context of a flawed system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we have taken on, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of pro crime policies and cities across the country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have pushed policies that have made certain drugs like AIDS prevention drugs more accessible to people in the country, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So where people
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[SPEAKER_00]: so that we've actually specifically pushed policies that have actually made AIDS prevention drugs more accessible to people who need them and therefore reduce the amount of HIV AIDS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, all of those things are within the context of
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[SPEAKER_00]: of a flawed system and using the tactics within a flawed system such as protesting politicians protesting their donors, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the things that we do is if we're targeting a politician, we'll often protest their donors because that we know that that's something that they care about or will protest board members at a large company instead of management because we know that that's something they care about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, within the context, that's part of the context of a flawed system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'll put it to you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They, there's evidence that alcohol is bad for you, right?
43:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet you have a podcast called Drinking Bros Podcast and you sell where you sell a hard shelter that is probably not as bad for you as other alcoholic beverages but not good for you, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, I would argue that your hard shelter is probably a better alternative than a lot of other crap people could be drinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess that maybe that's the broader justification in some regard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I suppose we haven't gotten that much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you know, I agree with that, so yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm fine with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually what brought me around on the only fans organization.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I love the only fans, so they should.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, he was against it for many, many, many times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just kept that real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was, yeah, Clip that and put it on his social media.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, it seemed like, I don't know, I just like, the strip club vibe,
44:48
[SPEAKER_02]: like, I don't know if this is a legal business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, for real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought I was going to get into that, but I would say that I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a libertarian on all those issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do whatever you, I'm not saying it should be illegal, do whatever you want, but my thought might not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have a theory about only fans, if you'll humor like a little tangent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me finish this really quick and then we'll get to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for some amount of time, I thought,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that seems a little bit predatory and like well everybody knows what they're doing everybody's an adult here So who the fuck am I to interject myself?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is after we started the booze companies when my brain started to change on this a little bit like well I'm selling booze to people and uh, I guess in certain ways it can be harmful not the way that I can sue it But correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It can be and there's a risk of that So who am I to fucking tell somebody anything else?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like a hypocrite talking about it at the at the time so
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of moved on from that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't really, that was a big change, I guess, for me in the way that I think about a lot of these vice activities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never been about making anything illegal, because I don't think the government should have any power to do any of that shit.
45:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I do have some questions.
45:52
[SPEAKER_02]: As you're, after you get into your theory on this, I want to ask what changed in 2019 and 2020 that made you pivot, I guess, into saying, you know what, fuck all this noise, we're just going to do the stuff that matters to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so my theory on only fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always see this stuff like leaked like this performer makes like $10 million a month on only fans and I actually have this theory and and maybe the good folks from only fans can prove me wrong on this, but there've been certain things that I think are actually they they leak this stuff, but it's might not actually be true because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Black China, you know who that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like loosely affiliated with one of the Kardashians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was one of those people allegedly making like all this money on only fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was like a divorce filing where she got where she showed what she was making.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a few hundred thousand dollars which would be in direct contrast with what was kind of being marketed around the only fan sting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the purpose of it is to have everybody feel like it's like, FOMO, where if you're like a celebrity, if you don't join only fans, you're missing out on like, you don't seven eight figures payments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually think it's kind of a genius PR strategy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm wrong about that, then like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: show me how I'm wrong, but I actually do have that theory about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a brilliant strategy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, Kudos to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, in exclusivity is always, it's like having a restaurant, but saying you're booked up for the first two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's exactly that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the context.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the, it's the sheeple thing.
47:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you're right that what we do is we help set the context to market that.
47:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, my guess my response is if it's a shitty restaurant, sorry, it's a bad restaurant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, if it's swaying.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, we, we're the worst humans on the point.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You can say anything.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but the bad restaurant people won't come back doesn't matter what the lines are but the lines and exclusivity gets you in the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would argue that it's the same thing for our campaigns.
47:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we answer the 20 so something happened in 2019 or 2020 that made you pivot into what I would call based on the way you described it a more principled stance on this.
47:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So what happened?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, number one, we've developed enough where we have enough people reaching out so we can be more selective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, I feel that there were, and I'm not going to name specifics, but I will say that there were a few deals that we've done, campaigns that we've done that I later kind of regretted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doing so, so I would put it that way, so because I regretted doing it, I feel like there were things that I really actually feel that we were on the wrong side of this.
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're starting a business, and anyone in your audience who is a small business knows, you take any campaign, anyone who's willing to pay you money from the start, right?
48:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You're trying to hustle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you develop, you realize number one, taking on certain types of customers, isn't long-term good business because it doesn't build you the reputation you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be thought of as a sleazy operator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be thought of as a principal to advocate who makes
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[SPEAKER_00]: big amazing causes grow and I want to be thought of as a cat someone who's a catalyst for awesome causes not someone who's a shady operator who takes down someone who's trying to do good right so there were campaigns that we've done that I
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[SPEAKER_00]: honestly felt that we're not that I regretted because of some of their implications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, look, let's really, and number two, they were campaigns where we had people who weren't enough genuinely in support of an issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel that that reflected, that doesn't always reflect well.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to be able to say that every campaign that we kind of do,
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're, has people who are really enthusiastic about the cause and is our campaign to be, are paid to show up and number two are ones that are advancing common sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that doesn't mean I have to enthusiastically agree with you to take it on, right?
49:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be an innocuous issue like a zoning issue or promoting a startup, but it can't be something that I would vociferously disagree with and it can't be something that I
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't like campaigns where I feel like we're punching down, whoever it is, even if the people that we're punching down at are stupid, because I always like to punch up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to punch up, doing campaigns to, you know, hold accountable CEOs and politicians and world leaders and countries and companies, not to make people who are not powerful, feel stupid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think they are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just for example, I agree with most of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would just fire one back at you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that an illegal immigrant in this country is terribly powerful, so to speak, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's somebody we should be punching because they don't belong here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct, we didn't go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what you say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I said that is because a bunch of people read punching down a lot of times because of how it's used on the left as like a postmodernist term where you're talking about a press or a press and all that horseshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bullying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's all nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's all nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For example, let's just say in a like I have a mixed view about this immigration But let's just say I wanted zero tolerance and I wanted all the Undocumented illegal immigrants supported right I would not even if that was my opinion I would not stage a demonstration outside a kinsing era You know party hosted by
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[SPEAKER_00]: an illegal immigrant saying get lost, go back to Mexico, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is what I would consider bullying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what about outside of a politician who's letting those people into our country and then those people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely would protest them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would protest them and I would protest a company that is hiring them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you're a company that's hiring illegal, I would protest the CEO's office and I would protest the CEO's country club, but I would not, and we love protesting country clubs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a fun one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The views are one, guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you should protest while Hyundai didn't even hire the people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just brought them, they brought 500 of their own people over here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to work in a fucking battle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, they South Korea apologized for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it wasn't the country, the company Hyundai sent a bunch of South Korean people here to work in their factory.
52:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's an American factory in America, right?
52:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason that we, they put it here is to avoid panteria, obviously.
52:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were subverting our taxes to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's basically this tax fraud, but that was a good one.
52:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a good one, that was a good one.
52:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So holding Hyundai accountable 100% holding
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting a protesting an individual worker, no.
53:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So, for example, or I can't stop thinking about, I can't stop thinking about all of us protesting outside of some dude's house.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I, look, there's so many options here, because the other part of your business, which that's not there, that's, that's retarded, you can't do that.
53:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do a lot of stuff because one of your things that you'll offer here is one of the things that I've also tried to do So in that period last several years is is D emphasize home protests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are cases where it may be Reciable but either also cases where we try to deem for size Protesting at someone's home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would much prefer to it's actually more effective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We found a protest outside the country club Right because then you're actually you know don't we can get mad at a protest outside a country club
53:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a definition of punching up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, a country for a definition is punching up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like that's a totally reasonable place for a protest.
53:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you mentioned pro-crime politicians and activities and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the companies that are doing what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: are not above board, frankly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not asking you to call anybody out by a name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They take money from people like George Soros, who spent billions of dollars on 275 judges in DAs in this country to get them elected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they could do cashless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All the stuff that's made American cities unsafe now, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which they're trying to fix it now, it's a whole shit show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they promote a lot of the pro-crime, as you refer to it, pro-crime nonsense, which I agree that's exactly what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because you're in the marketplace so how do you separate yourself from these assholes because most people aside from obviously doing shows like this helps but most people and not just on the right center left people think this too that the paid protesting thing is fucked up because of who's engaging in it for the most part and because of what we're seeing in the national media because mainstream media will love to cover a fucking process and we all think it's again dumb one here think it's organic and you're
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[SPEAKER_06]: when maybe they might not be, but it sounds like your organization is different than the rest of them where it's like, hey, you may any fucking form a money here, I don't give a shit who it's coming from or what the fucking cause is, I'll do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, right, there's two aspects of that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, which is legal versus illegal, we would never do and never have at any point in our history illegal forms of protests, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blocking streets without a permit, vandalism, law breaking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: we wouldn't, we've never done that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The second part and never would.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The second part is basically taking on stuff that we disagree with, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which we already kind of discussed my stances on that now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in regards to how we celebrate, yeah, like I said, I go out there and I always remind perspective clients too that we are engaging in respectful, lawful advocacy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's not something that you're interested in, then we are not the company, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for you because that's, that's what we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the people that you're talking about, I don't know those people who are engaged in those activities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I suspect that they want their identities to not be known.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm calling out, I won't call out individual names, but I will call out whoever's handing out tactical gear on the street of L.A., where there were people running out
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember it's been going on since the summer love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the bricks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, that is expensive as someone who's done home renovation projects, that is expensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tactical gear is expensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So someone who's paying for that and whoever is distributing that is some shady operator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what their intentions are, but I condemn it strongly and I condemn all forms of violent protest or law breaking protests because one of the things is when we live in the United
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[SPEAKER_00]: Speak freely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have no excuse for violence and there's no excuse for law breaking for as a protest because we have the right to speak freely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't need
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[SPEAKER_00]: to do all those other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I try to go out there everywhere I can to condemn those bad actors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And condemn those who might be funding it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to be clear, I don't have any evidence that Soros or those people are funding illegal activity, but he obviously has funded
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[SPEAKER_00]: DAs that have increased crime and on our streets and I condemn that because as someone who I consider myself an urbanist, I love walking around cities, I love city parks, I literally go on a long half marathon whenever I go to a new city and the fact that our cities have become so dangerous,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is due to his DAs in large park.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's bad and that's something that I want to actually do campaigns around the country to fight back against, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's one of those 80, 20 issues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you said, even center left, even progressive people don't like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to, they don't want their kids to be
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, assaulted on the way to go to school, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one wants that other than a very, very small fringe on the left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an 80, 20 issue if not 90, 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the biggest things is it gives the whole thing, even protesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Organically a bad name is that all these people without a state ID show up to a small community That's been ravaged by crime and bitch because ISIS removing illegals who were violent like Trinidad Raghur some like that or they're arresting people and actually keeping them in prison for their violent crimes Yeah, you've got this is racist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to stop and the local citizenries like what the fuck man?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you please let the cops do their job for once?
58:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's not for once the cops are
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[SPEAKER_02]: always do it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The cops always do the job, but it's happening right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's your point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And DC, he's fucking crazy.
58:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So people that are hate protesters, we talked about this just from the Pacific Northwest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are getting arrested in DC and this happens all over the country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People, it's always the Pacific Northwest for some reason, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: people with washing a state in the Oregon state driver's license to get arrested to these protests.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you wearing there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of a lot of them are anti for the ones who are getting arrested because when you're talking when you're saying they're getting arrested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means they're not peacefully protesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are and I don't even like calling them protesters guys because that's all protests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're throwing a brick, if you're you know throwing stuff and vandalizing and assaulting law enforcement, that's all protests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is violence, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that should be condemned in the harshest terms and I don't want
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[SPEAKER_00]: that to be affiliated with protest right that is not a form of protest that is that is violence against authorities and against the citizenry which as so but I think it's important to separate what they are pro that they say they're protesting for I think these people are just violent psychopaths I don't even think they care about the you know the causes yeah yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think there's, personally, I think there's a very legitimate argument around due process rights and saying, hey, we need to make sure that ICE and police and whoever else is arresting people and putting them in the deporting them is giving people whatever the due process that is necessary to ascertain that they are indeed illegal, right?
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's critical, right?
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Because
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be detained myself just because I have too much of a tan and they think I'm, you know, an illegal immigrant and what are the vehicles if they arrest us, mean or you or you on the street and they take us to a detention, I would want to make sure that the due process writes insure that we can kind of be like, wait, I'm obviously not supposed to be here.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all it is, but I'm also like this whole like papers, please kind of thing.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't think it's incumbent on an American citizen to just to prove our citizenship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, I, I don't always have my, let's just say, I don't have my idea on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on a run and they now, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, you see what I'm saying, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't necessarily agree with your premise, which is that
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[SPEAKER_00]: there are violent illegal immigrants that need to be deported, ASAP, and need to be imprisoned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think it's important that there is due process, and I think it's important that we separate the protesters who are demanding due process, or even the protesters who are misguidedly demanding an entity deportations from those who are violently attacking law enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you've got the right to be a fucking knucklehead for sure, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a right to be a knucklehead, and that is the right that we all should fight for in this country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I fight for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I fight being a knucklehead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I fight for the right to party every time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a couple of additional questions, one is serious and one is not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to start with the not serious one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He likes an audience and I'm told I can purchase one from you so how much let just give ballpark You know to give me a specific quote, but to have I don't know let's say five people Standing by at his home to applaud him when he's finished making love to his wife.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes
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[SPEAKER_06]: How much is that because on your website, by the way, and we will promote it, because you do, it says PR stunts on here, is that one of the things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that would be an example, that would be an example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we typically charge a few hundred dollars a person for that kind of thing, including all the materials and what they need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what special materials you need to honor you, making love to your wife.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, me personally.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I look, it would start with bowing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then if they could cry on cue, that would be number two, like, oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I'll gain 100%, and then maybe, and this, again, this is just off the cuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If you could pop up a screen outside one of those blow up screens for, you know, movie theaters, kind of like, yeah, this is a relatable one for the perspective.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, and just play Kobe, Kobe, drop in 81 against the Raptors.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then when he walks off the court with a number one after that, and then I could kind of walk outside my boxers, thank them.
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[SPEAKER_06]: See Kobe walking off the court in the blowup thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: How much with that cost us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would probably add some costs to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to, I'd have to ballpark it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably you're probably getting into a little bit of the five figures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I might need a permit for that TV if I don't wear you live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their authorities could be a little annoying about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're interested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're interested.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're interested.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Texas, that one will be cheap.
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[SPEAKER_06]: H-O-A is all deal with that fine.
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[SPEAKER_06]: because it's that's going to go in my front yard.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The the blowout.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So so in the in the thousands of dollars to be sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say that's probably not a typical request that we get typically when we do PR starts it's more for a company to advocate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are certain personal.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What about Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively and things like that?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if I like you call it a PR stunt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it sexual prowess is what this is?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I wanted the greatest ever to do it in the bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I would like to be recognized for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've not been I want to be clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been hired on that matter because I don't want to get a subpoena from someone about it Perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would Yeah, I don't can you imagine going to court for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a permanent log in a fucking law book somewhere You have a to talk about that shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why we name all of our LLCs are named something super fucked up just in case when we get sued We have to go to court like I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're talking over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is your company called reverse cowboy productions?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you like me explain what that is?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a chart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say anything about Blake Live Lear or the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because because she's so litigious, but I think I'll let the internet speak on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do have my opinions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll keep them through myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Feel free.
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[SPEAKER_06]: By the way, I'm Team Bell Doney on this one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So you don't have to say anything?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree generally with when well, let me just say one thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's too much victim culture in this country like the Meghan Markle, you know These like rich ladies who basically are like woe is me when I'm like you literally Have seemed to have everything like Meghan Markle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was a princess Blake lively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is gorgeous, and you know has a ton of money Right I said I wasn't gonna talk about it now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go
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[SPEAKER_00]: All these people who like seem to have like over as complaining right all these people mostly when they're but also some some guys to Brits hair you whatever a lot of these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like they want to show themselves as victims when I'm like it seems like you have everything in your favor right like
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels very unfair to try to present yourself as a victim, and it's very unattractive to me when people try to present themselves as victims who are in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've generally found as most people who are true victims in society and truly like society has just crapped all over them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, don't think of themselves as victims.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like a shadow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd a driver who,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, uh, took take took me to airport once and grown up under in Iraq under Saddam Hussein been put in prison, you know, came to America with nothing, you know, people were racist to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He built a business and he's like, I love my job even though he, uh, he's like, it's expensive and, you know, difficult to be an Uber driver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I love my job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that I get to work for myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love to live in America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, and he's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: 50 times the victim that Blake lively or Megan Markle is and he doesn't complain one with it's like to me I feel like the real victims never actually called themselves victims or think of themselves as victims You know, so so I think that that's my I'll leave it at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fun.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, you're good Now now I get a serious one for you here because we're going through This George Floyd controversy thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if you worked on the George Floyd the BLM thing
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[SPEAKER_06]: back then and then now would you work on this arena campaign the Ukrainian refugee who got stabs so somebody called you and said hey I would work on the arena as a root skickcase would you do that oh yeah because and and it's it's not a racial case by the way that's a crime case so so I don't I think people are
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[SPEAKER_00]: are unnecessarily making this a racial case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a refugee who came to this country to flee war, who was murdered by a depraved psychopath, who should never have been free because he is a multiple time offender and mentally, deeply, mentally ill, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a sign to end this cashless bail nonsense, end this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, put these people in jail, lock up the people who are deeply mentally ill and violent, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Heck yes, I would involve myself in that case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am passionate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We on the side of cleaning up our streets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, it's a, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: if there's any kind of group of people who would be most in support of this, it would be the black community in Charlotte who whose community has been ravaged by high murder rates for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The murder rate I just checked this yesterday is twice that of what it was in 2016.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can this murder rate go up to X and have all these people are like, oh, well, it's 20% less than it was last year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes it even worse how high it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, I would most certainly involve myself in that matter, a hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're also the ones that predominantly use the areas where shit like that happens, like public transit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When we conduct these studies, we always refer to the one in, um, there was an early 2021 in Oakland where I used to live, it was like 83% of people responded, they wanted the same amount or more police.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think it's so ironic is the progressive leaders correctly say let's fund public transit let's get people on public transit to reduce emissions to reduce the traffic congestion and yet
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[SPEAKER_00]: They allow Bart and you mentioned Oakland Bart is very convenient, but it's so dangerous, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the Marta and Atlanta is convenient, but so dangerous, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now this in control, I'm actually a train fanatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love trains, so I would take trains whenever I could, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they make it so dangerous, these transit, idiot transit roads were like, we just need more funding for transit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they actually made transit safer, you have a ton of more middle-class people, upper-middle-class people, ordinary people, who would actually take transit and which would accomplish the goals that the progressive was want to address.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I am 100% agree.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm from Atlanta, a martyr of taking pretty much my entire life, especially down to football games and everything else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And you're right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: When you get on these trains, if it was safe, I would take them all the time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I used to go with my parents down to Falcon's games and all that other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And you are constantly looking behind your shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like over and over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the alternative is just cross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually fully enough, I was in Atlanta last month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got an Uber from Atlanta Airport to Buckhead on a Friday afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It took an hour and a half, 150 dollars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right when i could have been there on marta for like a couple books but i'm like okay do i want to bring my bag and my backpack on the marta train you know which is notoriously dangerous it's like maybe i should have but it's like that's that's a lot of people are making that those trade-offs marta
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[SPEAKER_00]: could have much higher ridership if they just if they just made it safer, but that that goes for the Charlotte transit and all those other transit systems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're asking what I involve myself in that campaign, I would be more than happy to.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Dan, we so we go to Atlanta lots.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Now, there's a lot of events to Mercedes, I was just there on Sunday, actually, with my family drove down there, you know, same thing, it would have been easier to take Marta.
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[SPEAKER_06]: i'm with my seven year old no i'm not going to so i drove down park directly next to the stadium met my parents went to the game uh... this was literally forty eight hours ago down to your point two down the last time i've seen you uh... almost physically throw someone out of a car was that overdrive down to uh... from the airport to Mercedes-Benz stadium where you hate that too where was like to the train would have been ways here
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you don't know what you're getting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it sucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, there are some places that are really set up well for DC Metro for is the best Metro system, maybe in the world to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But people, some people have to, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot, there's a lot more people driving and taking Uber's and shit now and you're using private drivers than they were before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I first started going to DC back in like the middle 2010s, we only used the train everywhere went.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's like, fuck that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing that shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would take the train at 11 p.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: midnight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would land in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to take the Long Island Railroad in like midnight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I land in New York midnight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take the Long Island Railroad and then take the subway wherever I was going in the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would never do that now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would never do that now and everybody asks why would you get an expensive car service and everything else because I want to feel safe.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I want my wife to feel safe.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And it's expensive.
1:12:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I wish I didn't have to do it.
1:12:46
[SPEAKER_06]: But you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's important and I think it actually will long-term serve the values that the progressive leaders say, which is getting cars off the street and getting the emissions down and reducing the traffic congestion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I support their agenda, but what you at the way you do it is having safe cities.
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to even I'm not even going to go to talk about Singapore do buy because those are more authoritarian Countries, but even if you go to places in Europe, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got back I was in Poland recently Super safe not in the authoritarian country at all you'd go on to trains whenever whatever you want Super safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would I never felt unsafe one Second in Poland you know to mean and that is because they take this stuff seriously
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have to live like this in America and it's actually a cause that I really am very passionate about taking on So I'll tell you a couple of causes actually if you have a minute, can I tell you the causes that I'm most interested in?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely, we have no time limits on this show.
1:13:49
[SPEAKER_06]: So feel free and and again You even coming on the show is a shock to me and I said this on a previous show right before we came on here because
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[SPEAKER_06]: it does have a negative connotation, you know, there is a lot of people that's run these other businesses that don't seem to be on the up and up.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_06]: I understand where you're coming from and everything else.
1:14:09
[SPEAKER_06]: When it's regarding politics, I do say what Dan, when you're potentially changing a political landscape and all that other stuff, but, you know,
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_06]: at the end of the day, it's up to the voter, you can believe what you see or not believe what you see.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_06]: This DC thing that just happened over the weekend, Jesus Christman, 44% of DC is black.
1:14:28
[SPEAKER_06]: There was not one black person in those protests whatsoever, and that fucking sucks, and you can tell that that was paid for.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_06]: But what are the causes that you're working on now that you actually believe in and things like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I'm not like a total adherent to the Mohan movement, but I think it has certain benefits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things I'd love to do is hold accountable the companies like Coca-Cola and McDonald's that profess to care about, you know, again, it's another issue where they say they care about black people, but they have murdered black people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, through their marketing of toys, their poisonous soda products, their poisonous McDonald's products, right?
1:15:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know,
1:15:05
[SPEAKER_00]: disproportionately use black people to market their most fattening, most sugary products, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would like to hold them accountable.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they use this ESG nonsense to say, oh, look, we have a black lady on the board, so we can't be racist, right?
1:15:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, we gave money to Al Sharpton, so we can't be racist, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they are using that as a way to deflect from the
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[SPEAKER_00]: code on right there the new oxy um if because they're basically they're marketed to people um in certain communities and and fairness they're marketed to poor white folks too right and they poison those people and they kill those people and then they use these like fake philanthropy not fake I mean they do give this money but uh
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[SPEAKER_00]: to obstruct that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would love to hold them accountable in the court of public opinion for all of that, because I think it's such an important movement.
1:16:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I think that that is something I would really like to take on.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know why they do it, though.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I've sat in these meetings before, and they'll say the same thing of like, hey, black people in inner cities in poverty,
1:16:24
[SPEAKER_06]: go to Whole Foods or order from somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This will be easier for you.
1:16:28
[SPEAKER_06]: This is cheaper, but also, yeah, to your point, you're going to get fat as shit.
1:16:33
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to get diabetes.
1:16:34
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to have health problems.
1:16:35
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to have issues and everything else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So what do you say to that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: My point about that is be honest, tell people what that you're selling them poison and put the same labels as they put on the cigarettes.
1:16:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I am libertarian adjacent.
1:16:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think cigarettes should be banned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I like that they have the labels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think every McDonald's product other than maybe their songs all of God knows what is in those salads to tell you the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, should have warning labels on it saying,
1:17:07
[SPEAKER_00]: What is in there and saying that what this their products do if consumed in excess could cause these problems And I want them to apologize for marketing these products And it's also very condescending to tell for them to tell black people Well, I end poor folks.
1:17:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, this is the best you can do right.
1:17:26
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a chain called salad and go I'm a big fan of it.
1:17:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They sell six dollar entre sides salads, right?
1:17:34
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no one who can't afford a six dollar salad, believe me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a filling salad.
1:17:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just bought one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I bought a Caesar salad from there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was very filling.
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_06]: And there's not a sponsor.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not a sponsor either.
1:17:45
[SPEAKER_06]: And I just got it two days ago, three days ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so so I would say that that that that the fact that those salads and that's a for profit company are being able to be sold for that price You know, and they don't they're not in the ritty neighborhoods all the time they're in they to hot they actually choose cheap real estate I was actually looked into their business ball because I was like Jesus Christ houses so cheap and so so I love that what they do and I would love to
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I hate what makes all of us in Coca-Cola and many others do to poison this country and it's why we're so unhealthy and I'm actually very disappointed in, uh, RFK for actually not doing more substantively.
1:18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a lot of talk and very little action.
1:18:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He's totally a paper tiger.
1:18:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's actually kind of pathetic to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I would actually like RFK to actually like do something about this rather than just croak about it.
1:18:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and you know, uh, like I hate a stupid croak right.
1:18:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know that's kind of a mean attack, but I just wanted to go No, I don't understand what you're saying.
1:18:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of punching down right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, kidding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now we make fun of this voice
1:18:56
[SPEAKER_00]: We make my voice all this all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not punching down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the sion of one of the most powerful families in American history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, but I'm, you know what, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually apologize for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We don't give a fuck.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I, it's hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We make fun of his voice all the goddamn time here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you're good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wish he would actually do something about this stuff, what she can, he could mandate those warning labels on fast food products.
1:19:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't mean just to sing a lot of McDonald's.
1:19:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean there's KFC and Taco Bell and whatever, but McDonald's is the biggest one.
1:19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And the worst offender, like compared to it in and out, which actually does a lot of things right or Chick-fil-A does a lot of things right.
1:19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, so yeah, I would, I would take on a certain campaigns like that would be, um, would be,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a huge ones where you're really like taking on something that is of interest right just like just like the issue of having safe cities and common sense law enforcement right in this country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the type of things and businesses that we really like to work with and promote.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is it comedy too?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like could we hire you for comedic campaigns?
1:20:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one of the best ways to protest is through comedy.
1:20:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've been hired a lot in the crypto currency space to do really comedic demonstrations.
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite ones was called Bankers Against Bitcoin.
1:20:27
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a lot of, we actually talked to Reddit for like a week.
1:20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was not a week, maybe it was a few days.
1:20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm exaggerating, maybe it's a few days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was basically this campaign where we had a fake rally of bankers in oversized suits to protest,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Against crypto currency, this was when crypto was starting to get a lot of attention in 2018 and 19 and We had a ton of people outside these various crypto currencies saying stop it.
1:20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's impinging on my ability to get my second jet and my third home We have these like kind of Fat old bankers kind of staugy bankers out there.
1:21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes I actually feel like I'm a big fan of Voltaire, you know the French philosopher who was really a comedian of sorts who?
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[SPEAKER_00]: use comedy to show the absurdity of what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would absolutely do that.
1:21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one of our funniest events or our actually was was not a protest.
1:21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It was actually, we staged an entire wedding from the ground up too.
1:21:28
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a very wealthy guy from a broad who was marrying a girl here.
1:21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say like trailer trash, because that's mean, but that would be how some might describe her.
1:21:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, attractive young, young lady, but not exactly the type of girl that you'd bring home to mom and dad.
1:21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but he was in love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, he was getting married to her and he was like, well, I can't bring any of her family because they're, they got like three teeth between all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you got to have, you know, people who seem like kind of young
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the crowd as her friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay.
1:22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So, first of us are friends.
1:22:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Then a couple weeks before the wedding, they were like, well, we also need the family.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, we'll do the family uncles and so whatever.
1:22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But then three days before the wedding, they were like, oh, we also need the father of the bride.
1:22:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I was like, okay, we got to have like a 60 to 70 year old white dude, and I got to have them like cry.
1:22:23
[SPEAKER_00]: at this wedding.
1:22:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So we actually had this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like crying as he was walking his daughter, his daughter down the aisle.
1:22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It was hilarious.
1:22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had everybody prepared with like stories of how you know the the girl or how you know the couple because I thought that maybe the family would ask.
1:22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It turned out none of us spoke where to English.
1:22:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was all way more work than we had to do.
1:22:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I look, this has been an eye-opener today.
1:22:51
[SPEAKER_06]: I love doing this job because we never know we're going to get on a daily basis.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_06]: I came into this expecting a totally different show.
1:22:59
[SPEAKER_06]: And Adam, you're an interesting guy.
1:23:03
[SPEAKER_06]: And you are definitely a capitalist.
1:23:05
[SPEAKER_06]: And look, if you believe in it, I guess who's to say it's wrong at a certain level.
1:23:11
[SPEAKER_06]: You know?
1:23:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it's crazy.
1:23:15
[SPEAKER_06]: It's absolutely crazy.
1:23:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Now as the point in the show, we get this thing called a drinking bro of the week, which is someone who has inspired you or helped you become the person you are today.
1:23:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Who is the person that helped you inspire starting this company, for example?
1:23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I have to be trying to say it was my mom, and I don't want to give her creditor blame for the company specifically, but she was an entrepreneur.
1:23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: She was someone who always told me, don't plug yourself in a box and don't let other people define who you are.
1:23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And interestingly, she did have reservations when I told her I was starting this business.
1:23:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But she said, look, but then whenever one would come to her and have all kinds of critiques as you imagine about the businesses, Adam is working for good causes.
1:24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: He's passionate about what he does.
1:24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you wish you could start something like him.
1:24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So I always admire the fact that she really respected entrepreneurship in the hustle.
1:24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And she unfortunately passed away several years back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's honestly like my inspiration.
1:24:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't always do exactly what she would have wanted me to do.
1:24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But she's someone who I really look to for guidance because she was actually an immigrant to the United States.
1:24:37
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, came with very little other than an education, which was a lot actually, um, because sorry as an education, and she is another example of someone who refused to ever label herself a victim, and she was self-made in certain ways, and just thinking of her spirit is, is really inspiring to me, even though I don't really think I always live up to it.
1:24:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, uh, look, again, a fascinating interview today, and we, we never know we're going
1:25:05
[SPEAKER_06]: The reason why Dan and I do these shows is so we can interview people like this, get the word out, we've heard about it behind the scenes, Dan has talked about it obviously for years and years on this, and then you make your own form decision afterwards.
1:25:17
[SPEAKER_06]: And Adam, I applaud you for actually coming on the show, because I'm sure there was a certain part of you that thought you were going to get fucking buried at left and right, and all that other shit, and yeah.
1:25:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, again, at home, make your own informed decision or whether or not you think this is right or wrong in this world, and we can ask the questions and I appreciate your time for real.
1:25:39
[SPEAKER_06]: I think a lot of people don't have the balls to come on shows like this and be like, you know what, man, here's what I do.
1:25:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm proud of my work and fuck everybody else.
1:25:46
[SPEAKER_06]: So it is what it is at the end of the day, you know?
1:25:50
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
1:25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
1:25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I and I'm happy to respond to people who don't like me on it.
1:25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: If you disagree, or you agree with me, feel free to have at it on Twitter wherever else and visit our website and check us out.
1:26:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But I hope that I was able to explain.
1:26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: the premise of what we do and at least my perspective.
1:26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you come after this hour and 15 minutes or so and still feel like you don't like it, that's fine.
1:26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally respect it.
1:26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really am honored to be on this show and I feel like it was a really constructive discussion.
1:26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I love these discussions and I really don't mind being challenged because I think that's that's the essence of our democracy is having these conversations.
1:26:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not 100 percent together, but we might start here and here and we're now here and here.
1:26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's
1:26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
1:26:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's get a little bit closer by say our Republican, not our democracy.
1:26:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
1:26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's Oh, I know it is a Republican.
1:26:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes, I agree with you, sir.
1:26:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so that's that's just one of those phrases that we take for granted Like oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, it is our Republican not technically true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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