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Las Vegas massacre update & OJ Simpson freed from prison · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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  Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Former football star is
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  Speaker 1: sitting right now in a state prison for robbery in
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas, or. I didn't mean still anything from anybody,
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't know I was doing anything illegal. Parisity
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  Speaker 1: committed crime guilty count to conspiracy kidnapping, the guilty count
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  Speaker 1: three conspiracy to commit robbery guilty nine years a week
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  Speaker 1: from your family is just just not London. And and
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  Speaker 1: I I'm sorry, Mr Simpson. I do vote to grant
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  Speaker 1: for all y'all talking me. Nothing has changed in my life.
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  Speaker 1: What do you guys mean? What do you expect? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing change. Please breaking In the last hours, Orenthal
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  Speaker 1: James Simpson has walked free. Yes, he is out and about,
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  Speaker 1: already stopped at a gas station complaining he's been in
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  Speaker 1: the car too long. He doesn't like it. Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: know what. I I don't know what to say about that.
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us before we head out to the latest
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  Speaker 1: and O. J. Simpson walking free. We had to Vegas
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  Speaker 1: in the biggest shooting in US history. Fifty people dead
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  Speaker 1: that we know of, two hundred injured as a gunman
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  Speaker 1: with a horrific arsenal of weapons opens fire on a
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  Speaker 1: jam packed Las Vegas music festival. He's up on the
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  Speaker 1: thirty second floor of the Mandalaid Bay Hotel. He and
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  Speaker 1: his companion in the luxury suite. Did he specifically ask
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  Speaker 1: for a particular hotel room facing a particular way in
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  Speaker 1: order to slaughter Americans at this country music concert? Joining
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  Speaker 1: me right now, investigative reporter Cheryl White also with me,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Torres, Chuck Radar Online dot Com, and high profile
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  Speaker 1: lawyer out of the l A area, Troy Slayton. Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: what happened just after ten o'clock last night, Las Vegas time,
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  Speaker 1: Those shots rang out and at that time, Nancy, nobody knew.
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  Speaker 1: They thought it was fireworks, even though no fireworks were
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  Speaker 1: slated for the festival. But that's what they thought until
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  Speaker 1: people started falling. It was terrific in Nancy. I know
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  Speaker 1: you've seen some of the video that was shot. It's
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  Speaker 1: horrible and it is the deadliest shooting in US history,
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  Speaker 1: even worse than last year's massacre at the Pulse nightclub
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  Speaker 1: in Orlando. That was horrible. I remember speaking with the
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  Speaker 1: victims trapped in that nightclub that couldn't get out. This
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  Speaker 1: shooting in Vegas is even worse. And the guy's name
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  Speaker 1: is Steven Paddock, sixty four year old white male who
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  Speaker 1: opens fire from a thirty second floor luxury suite in
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  Speaker 1: the Mandalaide Bay Hotel. It all goes down Sunday night
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  Speaker 1: at ten pm. Now interesting another person with him, his
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  Speaker 1: so called companion, Mary Lou Danley, described only as his
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  Speaker 1: companion and roommate. She's being questioned right now. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how in the world with an arsenal of guns
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  Speaker 1: like that in the room with you, you can claim
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what was going on. But I do
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  Speaker 1: know this This day will be forever marked because America
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  Speaker 1: is reeling from the worst mass shooting in its history,
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  Speaker 1: at least fifty people dead at least two hundred wounded
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  Speaker 1: at the country music festival in Vegas. It all broke
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  Speaker 1: out on the final night of a three day It
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  Speaker 1: was called Route ninety one Harvest Festival. It was sold out,
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  Speaker 1: attended by thousands, and there were top country music acts
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  Speaker 1: there like Eric Church, Sam Hunt, Jason Alden. Now this shooter,
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  Speaker 1: sixty four year old Stephen Paddock, is a local. He's
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  Speaker 1: a resident of nearby Mesquite, Nevada. He's the one that
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  Speaker 1: opens fire on the festival. Back to Cheryl White, also
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  Speaker 1: with me, Troy Slaton and Alexis Torres Chuck, Cheryl, this
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  Speaker 1: guy is a local, so he knew very well about
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  Speaker 1: the festival. I don't understand how the female companion could
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  Speaker 1: not know what was going on. How could she not
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  Speaker 1: know what was happening, Cheryl. I can't really answer that question,
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  Speaker 1: but it seems highly unlikely she would not know something
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen. What I find is interesting here
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  Speaker 1: is that at this point we see that Stephen Paddock,
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  Speaker 1: the shooter, had no criminal record. There's nothing to trace
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  Speaker 1: back here. Now we do know that Mary lou Daniley,
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  Speaker 1: his companion roommate did at one time work as a
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  Speaker 1: high stakes casino hostess. I'm sure they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: asking her a lot of questions about what she knew
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  Speaker 1: about the hotel, about how to get all those weapons,
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  Speaker 1: and did anyone see them carrying these large cases up there?
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  Speaker 1: Were they just there for one night, which I believe
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  Speaker 1: is the case. There's so many questions here, even the
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  Speaker 1: on duty Vegas police officers who engage with the shooter
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  Speaker 1: or in the hospital, one critically injured, he's undergoing surgery.
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  Speaker 1: The other officers just suffered minor injuries. To Troy Slaton,
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  Speaker 1: we know he was using an automatic weapon, but he
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  Speaker 1: had an arsenal of weapons with them. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: there's any way, though, that the mandalaid could have known
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  Speaker 1: what was in all the bags. I don't think they
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  Speaker 1: could possibly have had any idea, And even if they did,
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  Speaker 1: actually we don't even have to go there because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't know. I think the guy had just checked in.
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  Speaker 1: But Troy, I'm I'm very curious about this female companion, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police detectives are reporting right now
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  Speaker 1: that they don't believe that she had any connection with
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  Speaker 1: the shooting. They're not saying that she didn't know about
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  Speaker 1: his weapons, or they she didn't that they she didn't
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  Speaker 1: know his mental state, whatever that was, or what his
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  Speaker 1: system of thinking was to carry off something horrific like this.
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  Speaker 1: But as far as Mandalaid Bay, they don't check everyone's back.
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  Speaker 1: There's no X rays to check into a hotel. There's
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  Speaker 1: no way that they could have known when somebody's carrying
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  Speaker 1: in suit. And I'm sure boy that you're right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't carry them in, you know, slinging them in
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  Speaker 1: his hands. He had them hidden. Now we're also hearing
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  Speaker 1: that this woman, this so called companion, was not in
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  Speaker 1: the room when the shooting went down. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that alexis Torrest chart writer online dot com. What more
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  Speaker 1: do we know? Before we had to o J, I
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  Speaker 1: was actually watching this unfold live last night. I was
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  Speaker 1: up late. It sounded like gunshots. It really did. When
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  Speaker 1: you listen to the video that people were posting when
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  Speaker 1: they were screwing. Jason Aldeen was playing this wonderful country
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  Speaker 1: music entertainment. Was the last show of the night. So
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  Speaker 1: his song is going and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: you hear these popping sounds, and it was constant. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't one shot, take a break, two shots. It was constant, constant, constant, constant.
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  Speaker 1: It was absolutely terrifying for these people. And there were
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  Speaker 1: people saying that I saw one and that was speaking afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: and she said she was with her friends and their
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  Speaker 1: friends eighteen year old daughter was shot and she fell
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  Speaker 1: around eighteen years old, and they were so scared for her,
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  Speaker 1: and there were so much going on that they put
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  Speaker 1: her in the car themselves and drove her to the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: And these are young people that were victims of this
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  Speaker 1: horrible shooting. Fifty dead, two hundred wounded. The count is
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  Speaker 1: rising in the worst shooting, a massacre in US history
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  Speaker 1: as we wait for justice to unfold. And now we
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  Speaker 1: had to the latest in the release of O. J. Simpson.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. I've been in Nowhere count
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  Speaker 1: I've been in Nowhere, USA for the last nine years
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  Speaker 1: doing nothing. Nothing has changed in my life. What do
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  Speaker 1: you guys? I mean, what do you expect? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing change now, Please God, I have a breaking there.
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  Speaker 1: You hear O. J. Simpson saying nothing has changed? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's family would
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  Speaker 1: disagree because the man that murdered Nicole and Ron is
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  Speaker 1: now walking free. I also understand Alexis Terrest Church writer
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com that Simpson pounded two number four combos
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  Speaker 1: from Nevada McDonald's. That was his first free meal on
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  Speaker 1: the outside. Uh, during his road to Sin City. So
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  Speaker 1: he headed where is he headed? Vegas? He is? Yep,
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  Speaker 1: he's gotta He's staying in Vegas right now because nobody
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  Speaker 1: wants him. Valarda won't take him, nobody wants to take
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  Speaker 1: in California, and so he's he's stuck in Vegas till
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  Speaker 1: he can find somebody who will open up their home
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  Speaker 1: for him. And pretty much nobody wants Ojay. So he's
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  Speaker 1: got to stay in Vegas. But he out of jail,
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  Speaker 1: and he's complaining because that is o j It's he
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  Speaker 1: is the most self centered person that has ever walked
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  Speaker 1: this earth. And he's not grateful for anything. He's not
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  Speaker 1: thankful to be out. He's not going to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: search for the real killers of his wife, the mother
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  Speaker 1: of his two children. Nope, he's just going to complain.
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  Speaker 1: So long story short. Pap Parazzi quote stumbled upon prisoner
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  Speaker 1: number one oh two seven eight two. Oh you know, Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: that was totally set up. That was lately set up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the paparazzi they're not that good. They're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to do that. That stay shoot
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, and O J rolled down
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  Speaker 1: the window like just all of a sudden to talk
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  Speaker 1: to somebody with a camera. No, O J. O J
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  Speaker 1: sets things up. He did it when he got out
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  Speaker 1: of jail after getting acquitted for the murders of Ron
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  Speaker 1: and Nicole, that this is totally okay, and this is
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  Speaker 1: how he's going to conduct his life now that he's
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  Speaker 1: out of profile. Lawyer joining me out of l A. Troy.
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  Speaker 1: They issue up Florida rejecting him. Now the attorney general
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  Speaker 1: there has written a letter that they don't want him.
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  Speaker 1: But can she really do that? Is it allowed for
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  Speaker 1: her to kick somebody out to disallow them Because there's
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of interstate commerce and freedom to travel under
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  Speaker 1: the signamument, Florida is a signatory to an interstate compact
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  Speaker 1: that allows parole es to move from state to state
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  Speaker 1: and supervision to be redirected to those states. So if
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  Speaker 1: Florida tries to not allow him to come. That's going
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  Speaker 1: to expose them to a lawsuit. But one some silver
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  Speaker 1: lining to all of this is that now the Goldman
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  Speaker 1: and Brown families are going to be able to start
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  Speaker 1: hopefully collecting on the now seventy million dollars that they're
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  Speaker 1: entitled to originally thirty five, but now with interest, it's
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  Speaker 1: balloon to seventy million dollars that O J owes them,
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  Speaker 1: and so any money that he receives will start to
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  Speaker 1: be attacked by those civil attorneys. Asked about his destination,
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  Speaker 1: he answers, none of your business. Okay, all right. What
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  Speaker 1: controls are on him? Alexis torres Chuck, I mean, are
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  Speaker 1: there any conditions upon his release? Yes, he has to
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  Speaker 1: stay away from all drugs, including if he moves to
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  Speaker 1: a state where marijuana is legal, he's not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: do it. So he comes back to California where marijuana
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  Speaker 1: is legal. O J. Simpson not allowed to smoke pot.
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  Speaker 1: He's not allowed touch any drugs. He's not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: have alcohol, and his parole officer can have him drug
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  Speaker 1: tested at any time, any time at all that he
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  Speaker 1: wants to could be under point. Oh a is that
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  Speaker 1: not correct. I understood it was no alcohol at all,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, you may be right choice latent question
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  Speaker 1: on these um these issues. We now know that also
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  Speaker 1: although Florida doesn't seem to want him, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how they can really stop him from going there. But
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  Speaker 1: what about the Goldman lawyer who says he's ready for
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  Speaker 1: round two of trying to collect from O. J. Simpson.
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  Speaker 1: What about that this is their opportunity. Uh. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of his assets are protected if he's a resident of Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Florida has some of the strongest protections against lawsuits. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: His pretty hefty NFL pension is protected from lawsuits. And
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  Speaker 1: so these lawyers will have to attack any new money
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  Speaker 1: that would come in from let's say, a book about
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  Speaker 1: what it was like to be in prison for the
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  Speaker 1: last eight years. Uh. Any type of screenplay or movie rights,
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  Speaker 1: or if he's paid for any type of media, all
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  Speaker 1: of that is subject to attack from the civil lawyers.
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  Speaker 1: Now what I'm learning about the booze is this, and
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  Speaker 1: this to me is adding fuel to the flame Alexis
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  Speaker 1: because we know that he has beaten his wife horribly.
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  Speaker 1: You could hear her screaming in the background as he
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  Speaker 1: was trying to tear the torch the door down to
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  Speaker 1: beat her. The conditions and I'm reading from it that
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  Speaker 1: they were a little confusing, Alexis, I see what you
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  Speaker 1: were saying. He can consume alcohol, but not to excess.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to stay underpoint oh eight and he will
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  Speaker 1: be tested for it. His blood alcohol will be tested.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious about whether he can get medical marijuana for
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  Speaker 1: all his aches and pains. You know, I'm also thinking
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  Speaker 1: about the families of Ron and Nicole. This guy, this
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  Speaker 1: lawyer David Cook, has been chasing O. J. Simpson for
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  Speaker 1: collections for so long. He claims it's his most challenging debtor.
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  Speaker 1: But now that he's been released for prison, they're going
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  Speaker 1: after him again. We're also learning about alleged offshore accounts
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  Speaker 1: where he's been hiding his millions. But for right now,
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  Speaker 1: where's he gonna hold up? Where can he possibly hold up?
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  Speaker 1: Troye late and until he we find out if he
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  Speaker 1: can go to Florida or not. It's my understanding that
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  Speaker 1: he has some friends in a luxury guard gated community
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  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas that have agreed to have him be
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  Speaker 1: like Kato Kalin, a house guest m. Everybody still wants
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  Speaker 1: to be his buddy and glom onto his infamy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Florida Corrections Department has just said in the last twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours it hasn't even received a request to oversee
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  Speaker 1: his parole. That may be all a big fat lie
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  Speaker 1: to throw everybody off. Quote. The department has not received
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  Speaker 1: any transfer paperwork from Nevada. And that's according to Ashley Cook,
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  Speaker 1: who's this Corrections department spokesperson. Now what does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: We also know Alexis Toure's Chucky got preferential treatment yet again.
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  Speaker 1: He was released, released in the dead of night, in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night so the press could not
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  Speaker 1: hound him. Sweet right, I mean O J. Always treated
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  Speaker 1: like a star, the same way he would. People in
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  Speaker 1: his presence are just ambush brainwashed by him. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the word is. He was during that parole
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  Speaker 1: hearing the the parole board. Those three professionals who have
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  Speaker 1: done their jobs so well for so many years, were
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  Speaker 1: laughing with O. J. Simpson. He was cutting jokes during
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  Speaker 1: the hearing and his story the only one man on
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  Speaker 1: the pearl boards. Did you know, O J? Your story
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  Speaker 1: that you're telling now does not match with the evidence
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  Speaker 1: with which you were convicted, like nothing is reality for
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  Speaker 1: o Jo and he just it just made me sick.
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  Speaker 1: Troice Layton, I know where you stand that you agreed
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  Speaker 1: he got went out on top at the right time
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  Speaker 1: in Vegas in Nevada, but I just thought their whole
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  Speaker 1: a meanor was awful. Alexis is right joking and laughing
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  Speaker 1: with him during the hearing, But how did he give
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  Speaker 1: everybody to slip getting out of a Nevada prison unseen
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  Speaker 1: in the dead of night? And this is after the
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  Speaker 1: last for Bronco style chase. You think that had anything
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  Speaker 1: to do with it, Troy Slayton, It wasn't his choice, Nancy. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this was for the convenience of Nevada Corrections officials. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't want, uh, exactly what you're saying. They didn't want
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  Speaker 1: another Broncos scene. They didn't want the disruption at their facility.
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  Speaker 1: This was more for their convenience than it was to
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  Speaker 1: protect O. J. Simpson. Well, the O. J. Simpson saga
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  Speaker 1: Legal zoom dot com now taking center stage is one
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  Speaker 1: of the robbery victims claiming he's quote forgiven O. J.
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  Speaker 1: Simpson for the two thousand seven Vegas armed robbery. As
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  Speaker 1: you know, Simpson was granted parole after shorting just nine
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  Speaker 1: years of a let's see twenty thirty years sentence from
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  Speaker 1: long had been his friend for almost twenty seven years.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to listen to the very latest that
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  Speaker 1: has been uncovered by Daily Mail TV, daily Mail dot
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  Speaker 1: com about this witness. Okay, go ahead, brace yourself. This
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  Speaker 1: is Bruce from on COT on audio tape business. Threatening
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  Speaker 1: words from an angry Bruce from a feeling set up
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  Speaker 1: after that infamous Las Vegas robbery. A stark contrast of
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  Speaker 1: early this year, when Fremont testified for o J at
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  Speaker 1: his parole here he made a mistake. And if he
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  Speaker 1: called me tomorrow and said, Bruce, I'm getting out, will
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  Speaker 1: you pick me up juice, I'll be here tomorrow. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to say that I've known o J for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. I don't feel that he's a threat
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  Speaker 1: to anyone out there. He's a good man. That's not
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  Speaker 1: how Fremont felt a decade ago. Listen to more of
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  Speaker 1: this bomb show recording captured just minutes after o J
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  Speaker 1: and his crew helped Fremon up at gunpoint. Don't Kay,
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  Speaker 1: what's the gun away? I stood up to that float
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  Speaker 1: in sad jail. I stood up for him in the
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  Speaker 1: press I stood up for him on the sand I
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  Speaker 1: helped him up shore accounts, off shore accounts. Not so fast, O. J. Simpson,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm telling you right now, Shawn Walsh from Daily
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  Speaker 1: mailty the Dailymail dot com, if you are trying to
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  Speaker 1: subvert justice, the one person you do not want to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: mess with is the taxman. You ever heard? I mean,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I know you're an awesoe, but you have to have
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: heard of al Capone, the famous monster, murderer, racketeer, God
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: knows what else you know? Who sent him to jail?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: The tax man. Nobody else could get a conviction on
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: al Capone, but the I r As nailed him. They
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: don't play. That's what I'm saying, Shawn watsh Now, what
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: does the Bruce Fromong sound that you guys uncovered reveal, Sean?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It reveals Bruce was a very very very angry man
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: when he skept out of that room when the robbery occurred.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: He's cursing, as you heard, he's swearing. He's saying, with
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: everything I've done for O J. I don't want a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: damn gun put in my face. Who does he think
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: he is? I stood by him when he was on
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the stand, and um I set up offshore accounts, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you know what, there will be two sets of people
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that will be interested in that. One the taxman to
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the golden Man. You're not kidding. Explain what you mean
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: by that. Ron Goldman's parents, his dad, Fred Goldman has
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: been entireless advocate. He has hounded O. J. Simpson, hey
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Wethy Patrick California prosecutor Kier and Start, renowned psychologist joining
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: me out of New York. You know what happens, right,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: So Simpson has been a signing fool behind bars, signing pictures,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: memorabilia reportedly and then sells it and makes a men
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in cash. Before he went to jail on the armed
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: robbery in Vegas, he would go to these memorabilia events
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and sign and take all the money in cash. Before
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Goldman could find out and get a sheriff there, Simpson
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: will be gone with the money. So he's been making
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: money hand for fist signing, football signing, jersey, signing pictures, anything,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and Goldman can't get his hands on Simpson's money. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Karen start, it's not about the money anymore for Fred Goldman,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: if it ever was. He's trying very hard to find
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a way to um get some kind of affirmation, um
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that his son was killed by this man, and if
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he could get the money, it's just symbolic, Nancy, of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you murdered my son, they found you guilty. I've deserved
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to have something that you know will replace what happened.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: That shows just some sort some degree of justice with me.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, Wendy Well. I can't go, Hman
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: get any of Simpson's money. He's making a huge NFL
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: football retirement pension. Boy, isn't that the true than that?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I think really anger as many Americans that are watching this,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't. It's not even so much about the money.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It's about the principle that that dollars Simpson gets from
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: his pension can't be touched. Now, Nancy, I predict that
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: when he is released, Simpson will go from a signing
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: fool to a filming fool if he in fact is approached,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: as we all know, he's going to be from media
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: outlets the want to sell his story. And you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: if if history predicts future behavior, he's not going to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: be able to resist that offer. And then the question
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: becomes how much of that money? I mean, we could
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: argue why not all of it goes to the sentence.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: He's not he's not made even a dent barely in
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that thirty three million dollar judgment, and so anything he
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: makes above board, and it's going to be obvious if
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: he's going to be making this through the media should
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: go to at least partially achieve some measure of justice
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: for that family. Let's analyze Shaun Walts exactly what you
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: guys uncovered on Daily Mail that Bruce Fromong said, remember
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: a friend of twenty seven years to O. J. Simpson
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that testified in his favor at the parole board and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: was his armed robbery victim as well. All right, let's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: analyize what he says. This is what we call in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the law an excited utterance. Uh. To me, that gives
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it more more weight when you're like, holy crap, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you're like angry or you're afraid, you're not filtering what
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you're saying. He did not know he was being audiotaped.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: How was the audio tape, Sean, He was audio taped
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: by someone else that was there, and these tapes have
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: been verified by the FBI, and he is highly emotional,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: he's agitated. He's just been in a situation where a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: gun has been pointed in his face, so that would
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: make most people behave the same way he's behaving on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: these tapes. And that's where, bit by bit he starts
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: revealing what o J has been up to. And I mean,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this is something that you can't come back from now.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail went to him and asked for comment all
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: these years later, and he said no comment, that he
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: didn't want to comment on the offshore accounts or anything
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: like that. And if you recall at the Parole Board hearing,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I've got nothing but good things to say that o J.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Let the past be the past. Bygones, bigodbygones. He almost
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: sang Kumbaya. It was extraordinary. So it'll be interesting to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: see what relationship he has with Simpson. Uh when Simpson's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: on the outside. Take a listen to Bruce Fremont at
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the Parole hearing, you made a mistake. And if he
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: called me tomorrow and said, Bruce, i'm getting out, will
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you pick me up Juice, I'll be here tomorrow and
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I'm here to say that I'm no no J for
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a long time. I don't feel that he's a threat
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to anyone out there. He's a good man. Okay, now
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: let's compare it. I just can't listen to this enough.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Listen to Fremont again after he's had a dunce d
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: up as nostril one more time, Alan Duke, I stood
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: on board in the prim I stood on shrimp. Now
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you something. To Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, that's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: one tiger. You don't want to pull that tail because
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: once you got the tiger by the tail, you can't
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: hold on and you can't let go. No way, it's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: gonna turn out good. And that is the I r as.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: You know what it pains me to pay my taxes.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It does. I would love to use that money on
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the twins. Blah blah blah. You know how long I've
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: been driving my minivan. I don't even know anymore. It
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: was way, way a long time ago. But the taxman
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: comes first, all right, you do not mess with him.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And there's a reason for that, Wendy. Yeah, you know
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: there are so many reasons, Nancy, that O J is
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: no doubt going to find himself again behind bars. That's
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the prediction, right, He's in Las Vegas, so let's bet
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: on it. It's either going to be for tax evasion,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: it's going to be for some other kind of crime,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: for violating the terms and conditions of his parole, which
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: they is a short leash. Remember the Parole Board made
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: very clear about that. But yeah, you're right, it's almost
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: as if we're looking at him as not following rules
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that apply to all the rest of us. That make
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the rest of I mean, can you imagine I'd love
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to make dollars a month, but it's not in the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: interest of fairness that he gets any kind of a past.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And he is under a microscope. So all of these
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: points we're bringing up that might land him in future trouble.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to escape because too many
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: eyes are on him as believing he's just gotten one
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: too many breaks in the criminal justices. This is killing
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a Shawn Walls, Daily Mail TV and daily Mail dot Com.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You know what his lawyer says. The worst thing behind
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: ours that O. J. Simpson is quote bore two tears,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: bored to tears. That's his problem. If you polled every
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: single American, they'd like to see him bored to tears
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: for the remainder of his life. Behind What is his
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: life going to be now now that he is walking free. Um.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I mean life for him is going to be very
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: very interesting because he maintains that element of celebrity. I mean,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he's infamous, he's notorious. So wherever he goes, people are
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: going to want to hear from him. They're going to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: want to hear what he's up to. They're going to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: follow him. He's gonna he's got and he's got an
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: appetite for this celebrity. He likes being famous. He's a performer.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Don't forget that. He wasn't just playing professional football. He
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was in commercials and TV shows and movies. He likes
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to be a star. And I wouldn't be surprised. But
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: as soon as he gets out he's going to want
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to be a star again. Do you believe Sean was
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: because I think that he would love it to be.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's going to store in a reality show?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You know what, It wouldn't surprise me. It would not
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: surprise me if he we went and saw Life with
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the Simpsons or Keeping Up with the Simpsons happening with
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that of that title. You better run out and copyright
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that thing or trade market right now. Um, Here's the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: thing though, Sean watch delly mill dot com. If he
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: does a reality show, then he's actually on a payroll,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and all that money would go to Ryan Goldman. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: think he'd rather eat a dirt sandwich than have money
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: go to Fred Goldman for murdering Ron. He would be
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: on an actual payroll. If I was the I R S,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I would be looking at Mr Simpson and everyone around
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Mr Simpson when he gets out, because I'm sure Mr
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Simpson will be looking for a way for that money
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: not to go directly to him. So I'd be looking
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: at every single associate, attorney, tax age and everyone around
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: him because I bet you there'll be a money trial.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: You know, Sean, when you mentioned earlier, or maybe it
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: was Windy twenty five thousand dollars does he make dollars
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a month? That's from his pension, and that's untouchable. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that is one of the reasons why everybody is going
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: to be watching so carefully to see what he makes
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: from the reality shows. And I think Sean brings up
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a great point. It's not just O J. He's smart
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: enough to surround himself with people. Well, we'll see how
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: smart he has leave it works out, But at least
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in the past, there's been this suspicion, as you heard
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: with that excited Vetherans earlier, that there may be money
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: that's being funneled elsewhere provided the assistance by his friends.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So everyone within his circle of influence is going to
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: be under a microscope. You would think that would make
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: him a priah and people wouldn't want to be associated
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: with him, But you're right, that celebrity is like a magnet,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and no doubt he's going to have a circle of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: people that are fascinated with his life. They're going to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: be looked at by the I R. S as well
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: to make sure they're not fundling cash whatever it is
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: on his behalf. Karen start, what is that thing that
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: people want to be attached to celebrities so much they'll
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: do anything? And I'm referring to his group of cronies,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: those hangers on is a double murderer, but they don't care.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: They just love being around him. It's a sick, parasitic
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. What is that, Karen start, Well, it's
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: a certain kind of charisma. And remember he's in narcissists, right,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and so he comes across as though he doesn't really
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: care whether he's been he's committed a crime, he's done
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: anything wrong. He comes across with a lot of confidence.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And I want to tell you something, Nancy, this is
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: really important. They will watch him because he will break
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the rules again. O. J. Simpson does not believe that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the rules are made for him. He feels he is different.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: He can do whatever he wants, and he will try
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to find a way to make sure of money. He
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: does not go to the gold Men's and he will
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: do something wrong because he can't follow the law. Well,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: this is what it's really all about. It's about a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: night several years ago when Nicole Brown had her neck
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: sliced so badly she was nearly decapitated. The only thing
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: that held her head on her body was a thin
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: strip of flesh on the back of her spine. That's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: why her head was still on her body. The crime
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: scene photos so gruesome many people refused to even print them.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Wrong Goldman in the prime of his life, a young man,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: handsome guy, good guy, shows up to return a pair
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: of glasses Nicole's mom left at the restaurant where he worked.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Wrong place, wrong time, and another horrible fit of anger.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: O J. Simpson murders them both and walks Scott free.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: It was a punch in the stomach. It was a
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: kick in the teeth to Lady Justice. And yet again
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: O J. Simpson walks free, but not so fast. You know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the Pardon and Parole Board out in Nevada did a
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: very bad thing in their decision that O. J. Simpson
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: should be released. Now many people say he did his
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: time on the robbery. Let me tell you about the robbery.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: This is on top of the double murder of Nicole
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Brown and Royan Goldman. He thinks that a sports memorabilia
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: dealer has some of his stuff, and he does have
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: some of his stuff. Everything else he had rightfully. There
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: were a few family photo albums in there, and I
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: don't know how they got into the mix. But he
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: gets a gang of misfits and off they go, armed
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to the teeth, break in on the memorabilia dealer, hold
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a gun to his head, cursing, throw at a big fit,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: they take stuff in late. That's armed robbery. Armed robbery
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: carries a sentence of twenty to thirty years. He has
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: not done his time. He hasn't even done half of
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: his time. That's a whole another can of worms compared
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to what's happening right now with Oorenthal, James Simpson and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: with me from Daily Mail TV and daily Mail dot
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Com Sean Walsh, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and renowned psychologist
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: out of New York, Karen Starts, Shaun Walsh. What is
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: happening is the whole world? Bass Akwards, It's a nancy,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: It truly is. I mean when I was watching on
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: television the Parole Board hearing and O J said, I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: have lived a conference of conflict for a live I
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: had to literally picked my draw up from the ground
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and put it back into place, because, as you and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I know, that's completely incorrect. Does nobody remember those giant
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: blow up pictures of Nicole Brown? The whole half side
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: of her face was black and blue And it wasn't
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the first time. There were nine one one calls or
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: he was beating the door down screaming he was going
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to kill her, and he did and he did. But
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: also could this have made any difference? A witness has
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: come forward again yet again on Daily Mail TV. Her
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: name is Jill Shivelly. Jill Chivlly never made it to trial.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: What does Jill Shibley say happened? Shawn Walsh. Jill Shibley
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: said that she saw and encountered the Bronco the night
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of the murders, and she claims that if she had
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: been put on the stand by Marcia Clark, she could
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: have changed the course of that trial. We all know
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: what the outcome was. We're all still shocked by it today.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But Jill says, to this day it is the greatest
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: regret of her life that she did not get to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: testify to say that she saw the Bronco during that
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: time period on that night when Nicole Brown Simpson was
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: murdered with wrong Goldben. Let me nail down the details,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: because the devil is in the details with me, Shaun Walsh, Wendy, Patrick,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Karen start listen to this, Wendy, this woman, Jill Chivally.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: It's about eleven o'clock the night of June twelve, the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: night of the killings, the killings, the double murders, and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Nicole and Ryan go down around ten fifteen. That's when
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: the dog Akita begins to bark like crazy at ten forty.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Kato Kalen, the house guest, here's three bumps on the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: side of his pool while he lived in the pool house,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and she Jill Chiviley C. Simpson around eleven o'clock. Guess
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: where she season. This would be twenty five minutes after
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the murders. He sees him coming out of Bundy, South Bundy.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: The murders go down on Bundy and he's having a fit.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: He's screaming. That's what gets her attention. She left her
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: house to go to the store, Wendy. Eleven o'clock she
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: sees the white Bronco. She hears screaming. Another vehicle has
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: blocked O. J. Simpson's Bronco and he can't get around it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: This is right after the murders, coming out of South Bundy.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Of course he goes berserk. He's screaming and cursing. She
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: turns around. She and her mother had just gone to
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: see Naked Gun thirty three and a third. She went,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Holy moly, that's O. J. Simpson. No, she no what
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: right then she thought she recognized the voice. She thought
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: he was a drunk driver. That night, she gets home
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: and calls police about the drug driver. It's on record, Wendy.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Then the next morning her family tells her about Nicole
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Brown and Ron Goldman. She calls police at seven am
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and tells them she sees him leaving the crime scene
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: area the night before at eleven o'clock and he made
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a jackass of himself screaming at another vehicle. She places
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: him at the crime scene within twenty minutes of the murder.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: This is why she didn't testify. Time passed and she
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: was approached by hard Copy and she sold her story.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Wendy, I would have put her up anyway,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: because who usually witnesses a murder? Uh not nuns and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: priests of virgins. I can tell you that much. So
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you have to tell the jury. Look, this is what happened.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But this is how I know she's telling the truth.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: She called it seven am the next morning and at
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: midnight the night it happened, before hard copy was ever
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: heard of. Her story was corroborated. You can hate her
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: for selling her story, but this is what she saw.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I would have done. But that's not what happened,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Yeah, you know. It's It's a great point, Nancy,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: because you're right. We when you have a celebrity involved,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: all the rules are different. You have people behaving differently
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: behaving in ways we wish they wouldn't like selling their stories.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: This is why we worry about stealth jurors trying to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: get onto these types of cases in order to have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a book deal afterwards. So the question is, was her
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: credibility tainted so much that a jury would not have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: believed her testimony? Now that's something that no doubt was
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: weighed internally within the prosecutor's office. And we all know
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: what the answer to that analysis was. To second guess it. Now,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: it's easy for us to know, But who knows what
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  Speaker 1: the conversation really was around that conference room table when
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: they were deciding, when they were wayne equities to decide
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: what they would think, what a jury would think. Well,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, I've got a little hint, Sean Walsh, what
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: does this witness say? This incredibly important witness, Jill Chivili
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  Speaker 1: say happened with Marcia Clark. She says that this is
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  Speaker 1: the greatest regret of her life. She says she wished
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  Speaker 1: that she had gotten the opportunity to be on the
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  Speaker 1: stand to say what she saw. And I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you think about it, so many people accept payment for
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: interviews and this could have easily have been argued by
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  Speaker 1: Marsha that, look, she came to us before she went
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  Speaker 1: to hard Copy. She told us a story. Jill Shivley
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  Speaker 1: was very honest and upfront with everybody else that she
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  Speaker 1: had accepted payment, And she could have said that on
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  Speaker 1: the stand, Yes I did, but that does not change
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  Speaker 1: what I saw. And this is exactly what I saw.
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  Speaker 1: Because fast forward all of these years later, and everyone
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  Speaker 1: believes Joe Shivley. It didn't matter that she took payment
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  Speaker 1: for her story. What she saw is what she saw,
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  Speaker 1: and that could have changed the outcome of this case.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Quoting Jill Shivilly, she says her confrontation with Marcia Clark
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  Speaker 1: after hard Copy was quote the worst experience of my life. Quote.
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  Speaker 1: Marcia Clark flew into a fit. She called me in
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  Speaker 1: and screamed at me. She shoved her finger in my face,
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  Speaker 1: saying I blew her case. She was so mad, you
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  Speaker 1: blew it, You blew it. I told her I would
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  Speaker 1: not take the money. I would redeem myself on the stand.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't matter. She was so mad. It didn't matter
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  Speaker 1: that I turned down the money and a hundred thousand
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: dollars more I was offered later She told me, I
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  Speaker 1: don't need you. I've got plenty of evidence and my
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: cases a slam dunk, she says, Clark was so angry
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  Speaker 1: and arrogant and one of the things her way, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't matter. I was trying to make it right. Well,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: we know what happened after that. We know what happened
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  Speaker 1: after that, Karen Stark, psychologist. You and I have seen
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  Speaker 1: many many cases together. There is no such thing as
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  Speaker 1: a slam dunk. There is no such thing, Karen. No.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a shame that that was the way that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: she was thinking, because you want to be sure that
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you have every piece of evidence available to you. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: that egotism really did a disservice to the trial. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I remember just talking to you about it over and
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: over again, how she just didn't seem to be prepared,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: didn't know how to answer when they would bring up
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  Speaker 1: things that she should have been able to fight. And
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: here is one I agree with you, Nancy, where something
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: could have been done. It really is a shamed you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Sean Walsh, Daily Mail TV and daily Mail dot Com.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: You guys rebroke this story as well as another regarding
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Bruce Vermont. But on chivially on chevally what did she
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: say on Daily Mail TV? She says that she there
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: isn't a moment in her life when she doesn't think
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: about this. She wishes she could have the time again.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And she's also not looking forward to O J. Getting out.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: She's concerned. She's very, very concerned, and she says she
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: has a fear there and I feel sorry for her.
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  Speaker 1: The interview that I had Friday was extraordinarily powerful, and
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  Speaker 1: I just think that this is a woman who wishes
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: she could have the opportunity again to make a different
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  Speaker 1: decision from Daily Mail TV. Listened to Jill Shivalley, you
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  Speaker 1: decide do you believe her? This is the intersection of
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Sam and Cynthia and Bundy where everything happened, where I
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: almost collided with O J. Simpson that night. I remember
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: being hungry and I needed to get to gcery store
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  Speaker 1: before it closed at eleven. I'm rushing up to the
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  Speaker 1: intersection of Sam and Cynthia Bundy. That's when I almost
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: got hit by a white broncho with his lights off.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I saw him. He looked at me, and I looked
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  Speaker 1: at him. I knew that person driving the bronco was
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: an athlete. I knew right away it was O J.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Because I had just seen him in a movie. He
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: looked angry and hurry, looked upset as if I had
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  Speaker 1: done something to him, And at that time I believed
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: he was drunk, because why would you drive that way?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: He took off line around the gas station up north
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  Speaker 1: on Bundy, A couple of boxed down. Here is Nicole Tone.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know until later that I was boxed
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  Speaker 1: away from the martyr. I have nightmares about that night
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of almost colliding with O J. If I had only
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: hit his car, he could not have denied he was there.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: That would have blown his timeline. That ten seconds at
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that intersection has changed my life in so many ways,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: losing my job, having to seat counseling. To this day,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I've had heard issues being here. Remembering that night gives
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: me the creeps. I feel like I'm in a horror
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: movie right now. It's like going back to the sceneother
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: crime for me. Whenever I hear O. G. Simpson's name,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I get anxious to feel stick to my stomach. Bottom
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: line Shawn walts. She is forever marked as the witness
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: that didn't make it to the stand. She is forever branded,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: you know, like the scarlet letter that she sold her testament.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Sean. I have had junkies,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I have had defendant, I have had I don't even
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: know who I've put on the stand before. And this
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: is what you do. And I learned it the hard way, Sean.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I almost lost a case. It was an aggravated assault.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: A stripper was walking down an alley with a guy
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  Speaker 1: who may have also been a stripper, I'm not sure
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: about him. She was ag assault robbed. She was dressed
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: that night as a so called sexy cheerleader. It was
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: one of my first cases, and I didn't know how
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the jury would respond to her, and I was afraid
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: they would think she was in on the robbery. She wasn't.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: She really was arm robbed. Um. So I said, do
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: not say one thing about being a stripper. If it's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: brought up a minute, don't lie, but don't bring it up,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: all right, And so I started off about you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: where are you from? How long have you been in Atlanta?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, Where do you go to church? Blah
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: blah blah. The jury is looking at me like, what
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: are you even taught? We know she's a stripper, Okay,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I mean you could just tell so long story short,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: you cannot hide anything from a jury. So from that point,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: unluckily I won the case. You don't hide anything the jury.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: They just should have been straight up, Sean should have
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: been straight honest, be honest. If you're honest, you have credibility,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and then people will believe everything you say. And in
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: this interview that she did with Daily Mail TV, you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: believe her. She's credible, she's honest, she tells the truth.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And I think that not only is this Jewel's biggest regret,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: it's probably one of Marsha Clark's biggest. Although you know, people, um,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: it's very hard for them to ever admit they did
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: anything wrong. I guarantee you there's a lot of fingerpointing
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: going on. It was the jury, it was the what
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: was this was that? I don't know? All I know
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