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Mac & Bone Hour 2: Panthers Set to Shock the World? · Mac & Bone Podcast

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Speaker 1: This may shock some people, but I'm in a relationship
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Speaker 1: to Carolina Panthers. His team last year I think didn't
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Speaker 1: earn enough respect of the league. I know a lot
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Speaker 1: of people are still in questioning about who Bryce Young is,
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Speaker 1: but he played better.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: The defense showed up led by Derek Brown. You talk
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Speaker 1: about that secondary with J. C.
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Speaker 3: Warren.
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Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers will shock the world next season because
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Speaker 1: I felt like some of the battles they went through,
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Speaker 1: especially against the Rams. They almost beat the Rams in
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Speaker 1: the wildcard man then people forget that that was a
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Speaker 1: dog fight for the Rams.
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Speaker 2: They were able to escape that.
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Speaker 3: But I think this.
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Speaker 1: Team, slowly, year after the year, has started climbing the mountain.
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Speaker 1: I think that the people are starting to look at
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Speaker 1: him like are they good or what's this? Is Bryce
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Speaker 1: Young for real? I'm saying that for real. I'm putting
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Speaker 1: it on paper right now. Carolina and Panthers are for real.
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Speaker 1: They will have that type of season next year that
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Speaker 1: make people say, I think I'm a Panthers. So I'm
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Speaker 1: in love and there's a new love bruin with me
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Speaker 1: and the Carolina Panthers. I've always been a Dan Morgan
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Speaker 1: than the gem of the Panthers. Yep, going back from
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Speaker 1: the days when he was a Hurricane man. So I'm
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Speaker 1: all about that Panther football right now.
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Speaker 3: How about that what old national love here on a
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Speaker 3: Wednesday morning on the Mack and Boat Joe. That is
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Speaker 3: the voice of Willie Cologne, longtime NFL lineman. Now with
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Speaker 3: the NFL Network quote, the Panthers will shock the world
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Speaker 3: this upcoming season. So awesome to hear Fiddy, I didn't
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Speaker 3: really hear in terms of what they're gonna do. He
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Speaker 3: said they could have that type of season. They're gonna
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Speaker 3: shock the world. Does that mean NFC Championship game, Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl appearance? What exactly do you did shock the world?
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Speaker 3: Didn't really elaborate too much on that.
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Speaker 4: I would think I would think it would be them
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Speaker 4: making the Super Bowl. Just looking at the way the
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Speaker 4: NFC is structured right now, the SEAHW, the defending Super
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Speaker 4: Bowl champions, the Rams, maybe the best roster in all
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Speaker 4: the football, especially if Aaron Donald were to come out
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Speaker 4: of retirement. There's a very good chance they would emerge
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Speaker 4: as Super Bowl favorites. The Niners, you can never count
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Speaker 4: them out. With Shanahan and company up up there, then
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Speaker 4: you look at the NFC East, you know you got
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Speaker 4: the Eagles. The Commanders are just two years removed from
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Speaker 4: being in the NFC title game. Dallas gets a lot
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Speaker 4: of love. The North is really really good as well.
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Speaker 4: I don't think people will be surprised if the Panthers
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Speaker 4: made the playoffs again because of how bad the division is.
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Speaker 4: I don't think people would be surprised necessarily bone if
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Speaker 4: they won a wildcard game at home, but shock in
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Speaker 4: the world, I think with where we see this team
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Speaker 4: coming in power rankings now, the rosters you'd around the NFL,
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Speaker 4: I don't they'd have to get all the way to
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Speaker 4: the super Bowl for that to really live out the statement.
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Speaker 3: I think this year is another step year. I think
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Speaker 3: if we start talking about championship games in Super Bowls
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Speaker 3: and shocking the world that's down the line, I think
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Speaker 3: that might be a little ways off. But to me,
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Speaker 3: this year is about that next step. It's about taking
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Speaker 3: what they did last year, that performance against the Rams,
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Speaker 3: in going up a level. Can they win a playoff game?
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Speaker 3: Can they be a team that gets to that next
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Speaker 3: round and then we go from there. If they go
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Speaker 3: past that, of course we're good with that. But I
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Speaker 3: think this team is built for the next level and
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Speaker 3: not the ultimate level, shocking the world to me in
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Speaker 3: a negative way. A shock to me would be if
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Speaker 3: they were to go backwards, if this franchise went back
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Speaker 3: to the dark days, if they end up with four
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Speaker 3: wins or five wins or a regression from last year.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they have to go up to
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Speaker 3: eleven or twelve wins, but move up a little bit,
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Speaker 3: don't go back. If this franchise goes backwards. With the
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Speaker 3: talent they've added, the money they've signed on defense, and
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Speaker 3: Bryce Young being the number one overall picks, it's time
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Speaker 3: to move ahead and not backwards. Move ahead like they
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Speaker 3: did last year. I think moving back would be a
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Speaker 3: shocker to me more than moving ahead.
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Speaker 2: Would you qualify bone.
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Speaker 4: Progress as them winning the division but they lose in
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Speaker 4: the wildcard round? But if they have a winning record,
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Speaker 4: would you still consider that a step forward or do
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Speaker 4: then they'd still be stuck in neutral because there's so
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Speaker 4: many people.
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Speaker 2: That kind of.
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Speaker 4: Invalidate them winning the division because they were eight to nine.
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Speaker 4: Although I don't think the same rhetoric existed when the
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Speaker 4: Bucks won the division a few years ago, with the
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Speaker 4: losid record.
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Speaker 2: The Pants weren't the first team to do it.
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Speaker 4: We've seen other teams do it previously and go into
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Speaker 4: the playoffs and advance into the postseason. But I because
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Speaker 4: I would view it if they let's say they go
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Speaker 4: ten and seven, they lose in the wildcard round. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: you technically won more games, But I don't know if
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Speaker 4: you took a step forward. Are you with me on
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Speaker 4: that or do you think of this team gets a
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Speaker 4: winning record for the first time under Morgan Canalis, regardless
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Speaker 4: of postseason stuff, it would still register as a step forward.
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Speaker 3: Depends on circumstances, because if they say they want ten
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Speaker 3: or eleven. What if they're the three seed and they
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Speaker 3: have an opponent that we say, oh, yeah, this is
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Speaker 3: one that they can win and they lose it, Oh,
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Speaker 3: that might be deflating. But what if they're the four seed,
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Speaker 3: win the South where the South often ends up in
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Speaker 3: the postseason, and their opponent again is the NFC West,
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Speaker 3: it's Seattle. You got to think that most likely in
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Speaker 3: the NFC, Seattle or the Rams are probably going to
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Speaker 3: be the opponent for that four seed, right like last year. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: because they're gonna win. I mean, they may win thirteen, fourteen,
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Speaker 3: fifteen games, and you may have a thirteen or fourteen
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Speaker 3: win team for all we know that comes in as
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Speaker 3: a five seed. So if they win ten, host the
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Speaker 3: game as a four seed, and again it's the second
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Speaker 3: team in the West, and they lose, well, to me,
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Speaker 3: that might be one we go, Yeah, they ran into
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Speaker 3: a great team. Again, if they have an opponent there
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Speaker 3: that we feel they're equal to and they won more games,
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Speaker 3: that would be deflating to me. But it's all about
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Speaker 3: are they facing one of those Great West teams? Potentially
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Speaker 3: that would be a difference for me. I hope that
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Speaker 3: those teams. To me, I don't think they're at that
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Speaker 3: level of the Rams or Seattle in terms of what
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Speaker 3: they're going to be this year.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I think they can't
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Speaker 4: compete with those teams. They proved that last year with
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Speaker 4: how they pushed LA all the way to the brink.
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Speaker 4: But I would not expect them to win even if
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Speaker 4: the games at home ut the Rams game was last year.
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Speaker 4: If they were to lose, I would say they got beat.
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Speaker 4: They got beat by a better football team. I just
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Speaker 4: I know they got a top ten skeed, But I
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Speaker 4: really like everything that they did in this offseason, and
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Speaker 4: I think asking for another three winning proven might be
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Speaker 4: asking too much because now you're going from eight all
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Speaker 4: the way up to eleven. I just find it hard
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Speaker 4: to think bone that they don't they don't take that
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Speaker 4: next step, And to me, I think that next step
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Speaker 4: is back to back division titles, doing so with the
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Speaker 4: winning record and getting into the to the divisional weekend.
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Speaker 4: And then I think we're talking about twenty twenty seven
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Speaker 4: as what are you doing in the draft, what are
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Speaker 4: you doing in free agency to put yourself in the
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Speaker 4: best position possible to get to the NFC title game,
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Speaker 4: maybe the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: And we're going to know a lot about this team
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Speaker 3: early with the Bears to start with, and then of
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Speaker 3: course two road games, but then it's the Lions, the Eagles,
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Speaker 3: the Bucks, it's Green Bay, it's all teams they're competing
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Speaker 3: with in many ways, either they're going to be up
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Speaker 3: for a playoff spot against or a division opponent again,
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna know before this season is half over
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Speaker 3: what type of year this is going to be, because
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Speaker 3: they could end up losing a lot of tie breakers early.
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Speaker 3: Getting off to a great start beat the Bears beat
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Speaker 3: the Lions in a way, we go one of those
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Speaker 3: guys that's responsible for this team and the success last
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Speaker 3: year and going forward, j C. Horn. He cracks the
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Speaker 3: Jeremy Fowler Executive Intel list of the top dbs in football,
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Speaker 3: not tops it, but he is at number eight on
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Speaker 3: this list. Does that feeling justified?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: We talked about yesterday, you know, the duo not cracking
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Speaker 4: the top five. And if you want to go based
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Speaker 4: off of last year, you could argue that Mike Jackson
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Speaker 4: should be ranked ahead of him because I thought Mike
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Speaker 4: jack was a better individual corner. But I think that
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Speaker 4: that sounds about right, Like that doesn't seem out of pocket.
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Speaker 4: When you say JC Hill top ten corner in the
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Speaker 4: National Football League.
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Speaker 3: I found one spot from last year. He was seven
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Speaker 3: last year.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, and how much of that had to deal
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Speaker 4: with some of the penalties that he endured. Some of
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Speaker 4: them were not his fault. I'll still argue that penalty
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Speaker 4: against Seattle. Does Carolina win the game with that penalty?
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Speaker 4: Doesn't get called?
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Speaker 2: That answer is no.
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Speaker 4: Did it changed the the the immediate projection of that game?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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Speaker 4: If he cleans that up bone, I think he can
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Speaker 4: be right in that conversation to be I don't know
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Speaker 4: as top six seven.
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Speaker 3: And here's the right up for him by an anonymous executive.
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Speaker 3: When you go against him, you better be ready for
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Speaker 3: a street fightscuse being an offensive coach said this, When
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Speaker 3: you go against him, you better be ready for a
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Speaker 3: street fight. Physical strong, can't play press coverage. Ain't always flashy,
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Speaker 3: but a really rugged player. End quot that Jeremy Fowlers has.
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Speaker 3: Most notably, coaches favored Horn in their rankings because of
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Speaker 3: how he plays the run and the past with equal ferocity.
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Speaker 3: As one NFC coach noted, Horn wants you to run
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Speaker 3: a duo play to his side so he can quote
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Speaker 3: crack on somebody. End quote. Here you go. And the
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Speaker 3: only complaint about Horn on this list or by these
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Speaker 3: anonymous people was that that he's a bit tight hipped,
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Speaker 3: So while he's fastening a straight line, he's got some
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Speaker 3: wateral quickness problems there. So tight hipped is the negative there,
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Speaker 3: Jasey Horn.
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Speaker 4: That was the skinner reportal on me when I was
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Speaker 4: playing soccer, that I had tight hips.
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Speaker 2: They I didn't move, I wasn't very.
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Speaker 3: Fluid with back as a tight waallet Yeah, he does so.
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Speaker 3: Horn checks in at eight. The guys that are right
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Speaker 3: above him, in the top seven above him are certain
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Speaker 3: of Denver Stingley of Houston, Christian Gonzalez of New England,
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Speaker 3: Witherspoon of Seattle. McDuffie now with the Ramsy was a chief,
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Speaker 3: Quinnon Mitchell of Philadelphia. Denzel Ward of Cleveland is on there.
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Speaker 3: He fell four spots from last year. Horn eight, Sauce
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Speaker 3: Gardner who also fell a couple of spots. He's nine
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Speaker 3: and running out of the top ten. Cooper de Gene
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Speaker 3: not ranked last year, but he is number ten on
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Speaker 3: that list. Would you say, though, that when you rank
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Speaker 3: the Panther players, we all agree Derek Brown's number one. No,
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Speaker 3: there's not any questions about that. Derek Brown the number
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Speaker 3: one player on this team. Horn is he solidified, no doubt.
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Speaker 3: Number two. Would anybody have him not number two? I
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Speaker 3: think he is, but there are some Horn detractors out there.
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Speaker 3: To me, he's he's number two without question. Right, there's
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Speaker 3: no question that he's the number two player on this
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Speaker 3: football team.
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Speaker 4: Right, I would say so, maybe, like you know, if
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Speaker 4: Robert Hunt were to stay healthy, maybe the impact he
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Speaker 4: has on that offensive line, maybe he could emerge as
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Speaker 4: the second best all around pound found football player. Also,
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Speaker 4: maybe what Jalen Phillips or Devin Lloyd. You know, Devin
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Speaker 4: Lloyd had come up in All pro season in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 3: T mag also did crack the top one hundred players.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess he's exactly emerging as one of
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Speaker 3: these guys.
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Speaker 4: If Jalen Phillips' pressures turn into sacks, how much does
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Speaker 4: that change how we view him locally, how he gets viewed,
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Speaker 4: how he gets viewed nationally. So I would say that
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Speaker 4: that's that's a safe assumption going into to the year,
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Speaker 4: and this is a good thing. I think there's competition
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Speaker 4: though on the roster for other guys if they stay healthy,
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Speaker 4: if they you know, if there's an upticking and production
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Speaker 4: in certain statistical areas, maybe a guy or two maybe
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Speaker 4: could overtake him, Which tells you the overall talent that
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Speaker 4: Dan Morgan has assimilated here in Carolina.
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Speaker 3: Interesting to see where Derek Brown will fall. Jerey Fowler
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Speaker 3: does this for every position. Interesting to see where Derek
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Speaker 3: Brown falls on this list. Trayvon Merrick last made the
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Speaker 3: honorable mention of this list. So does he crack the
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Speaker 3: top ten, so you would think that he moves up
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Speaker 3: from where he was last year. Derek Brown's always interesting
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Speaker 3: on these lists, So whatever Jeremy Fowler puts out the
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Speaker 3: defensive tackle rankings, we will be all over that. Yesterday
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Speaker 3: Jeff Peterson's book for the first time since all the
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Speaker 3: big moves were made. Can't really talk about all the
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Speaker 3: big moves yet because some trades are still I guess
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Speaker 3: in the being worked on. I guess they're not league official,
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Speaker 3: but he did talk about what he could talk about yesterday.
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Speaker 3: You'll hear him talk about Kobe White, Dorian Finney Smith,
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Speaker 3: and we asked the question of what is the current
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Speaker 3: approval rating of Hornet's GM Jeff Peterson Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 3: two seven WFNZ.
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Speaker 5: I was confident. I'm typically a pretty confident person and
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Speaker 5: optimist person. But look, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 5: it is it is free agency, so he you know,
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Speaker 5: I've seen it go the other way where a player
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Speaker 5: de has to leave for whatever reason. But again, when
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Speaker 5: we traded for him, you know, I made it be
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Speaker 5: known that he was a proay wasn't just like a
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Speaker 5: rental and wanted him to be here long term. And
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Speaker 5: again thankful data that he chose.
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Speaker 3: Us there he is Hornets GM. Jeff Peterson yesterday speaking
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Speaker 3: to the media at the Kobe White charity event. There
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Speaker 3: he can only talk about the things that are official,
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Speaker 3: like Kobe White. So there's no audio of Jeff Peterson
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Speaker 3: talking Mellow Bridges anything like that. Hopefully soon once those
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Speaker 3: trades are finalized. Yeah. Confidence is the word that surrounds
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Speaker 3: Jeff Peterson right now and the fan confidence level that
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Speaker 3: they have in the in the Hornets GM. I don't
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Speaker 3: think we really doubted once Mellow was traded that Kobe
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Speaker 3: White was gonna be in the fold.
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Speaker 2: He is.
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Speaker 3: That's the good news, and that's really one of the
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Speaker 3: most positive things that's happened so far this offseason, because
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Speaker 3: we still have many questions. When this offseason started, it
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Speaker 3: felt like the approval rating for Jeff Peterson was probably
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Speaker 3: at fitty would you say, ninety nine outside of T
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Speaker 3: John's draft joys, and that's still up in the air.
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Speaker 3: Very little was questioned of Jeff Peterson now because they
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Speaker 3: can't answer a lot of questions. We're still trying to
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Speaker 3: figure out the mellow stuff, the bridges, not the bridges
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Speaker 3: up per se, but the mellow stuff where we're going here.
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Speaker 3: What would you say right now the overall fan approval
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Speaker 3: rating is and what's been the drop since Peterson has
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Speaker 3: started this offseason. It's definitely dropped a lot within our
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Speaker 3: fan base. I'm not saying me personally, but within the
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Speaker 3: fans because they want answers and they can't give them
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Speaker 3: right now.
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Speaker 4: If if you're looking at it in a vacuum, and
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Speaker 4: if but if you're looking at it in the way
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Speaker 4: that NBA teams rebuild, the answer should be an a.
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Speaker 4: Because look at all the assets that he has acquired,
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Speaker 4: Look at the position he has this franchise in moving forward,
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Speaker 4: all the different all the different draftka picks. You've got
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Speaker 4: a forty one million dollar trade exception that you can
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Speaker 4: use at some point. You've got a lot of things
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Speaker 4: at your disposal that if you hit on them, you
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Speaker 4: could really build a formidable opponent or a contender here
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Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference. But that's not how fans look
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Speaker 4: at this fancy For most people, probably their favorite player,
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Speaker 4: their second favorite player, Lamela Ball get traded. You thought
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Speaker 4: that move was setting up a chance for you to
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Speaker 4: go acquire a player like Jalen Brown, a former NBA
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Speaker 4: Finals MVP usually in the conversation to be an all
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Speaker 4: pro every single.
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Speaker 2: Year, you ultimately do not make that move. So when
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Speaker 2: you look at.
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Speaker 4: From just the what he's done, how he's executed his position,
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Speaker 4: that should be an A. But from a fan perspective,
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Speaker 4: if I was a diehard Hornets fan that has lived
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Speaker 4: and died with this team, and I just saw my
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Speaker 4: two players get traded away from a team that won
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Speaker 4: forty four games, and it's setting up for us to
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Speaker 4: be rebuilding in twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, I
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Speaker 4: think that Gray drops down to like a B B minus.
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Speaker 3: That might be the fan grade. My faith level has
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Speaker 3: not changed in Peterson. I still, yeah, have questions about
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Speaker 3: the plan. We don't know. But here's Peterson's message to
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Speaker 3: the fans yesterday about he's working around the obvious here.
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Speaker 3: But here's Peterson on what all this means for the future.
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Speaker 5: The goal's never been to get to the playoffs one
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Speaker 5: time in the nb O for sevent eight years and
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Speaker 5: then try to get back agains right. It's always been
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Speaker 5: about sustainable and I think the rough that we have
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Speaker 5: we'll give us that the best chance going forward.
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Speaker 4: Again.
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Speaker 5: I like that question there going to continue to build it,
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Speaker 5: build it the right way. Like I, we'll say, I'm
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Speaker 5: not going to take shortcuts. You know, We're going to
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Speaker 5: be methodical with it all and again figure out how
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Speaker 5: we can put the best product on the floor and
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Speaker 5: fans to be happy and excited about at the same time,
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Speaker 5: how can.
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Speaker 2: We achieve that sustainability that we've.
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Speaker 3: Been talking about that And that's what we've talked about
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Speaker 3: during the last couple of weeks with all this going on.
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Speaker 3: There were they caught off guard by the success last year,
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Speaker 3: and he, as the guy making decisions, didn't want to
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Speaker 3: be in a situation where they're just going to go
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Speaker 3: for it now because they were good last year. And
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Speaker 3: that's why I still believe that Jeff Peterson, he's standing
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Speaker 3: by what he believes, whether or not we understand it.
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Speaker 3: He's got conviction in what he's doing it's going to work,
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Speaker 3: and I have no reason to believe him that whatever
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Speaker 3: he's touched so far outside of one draft choice has
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Speaker 3: worked so far. I still believe in that guy, and
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Speaker 3: I believe in the vision. Although we don't fully understand
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Speaker 3: maybe the trade piece of this, because that's kind of
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Speaker 3: hard to figure out, but I trust that guy, and
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to back off that trust because of
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Speaker 3: some trade that he made.
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Speaker 4: He deserves the benefit of the doubt to let everything
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Speaker 4: play itself out right. That isn't always the case for
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Speaker 4: gms in this town. Look at Scott Fitterer, for example,
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Speaker 4: he had no longer earned the right to see what
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Speaker 4: he was building try to come to fruition. I think
19:25
Speaker 4: Jeff Peterson has earned that right because he has the
19:32
Speaker 4: full backing of ownership to do what he's doing. And
19:36
Speaker 4: I know some people believe that maybe ownership forced him
19:39
Speaker 4: to trade away LaMelo, to trade away Miles Bridges. They
19:42
Speaker 4: want a certain image of what they want their franchise
19:46
Speaker 4: to look like. And if that's the case, we've got
19:48
Speaker 4: a problem in our hands, because it would appear that
19:51
Speaker 4: Shanellan Pluckin would have to learn the same lessons that
19:54
Speaker 4: David Tepper has learned running the Carolina Panthers. But with
19:59
Speaker 4: that being said, bone Man, I think this was always
20:04
Speaker 4: part of the plan whenever he got hired.
20:06
Speaker 2: I think he.
20:07
Speaker 4: Outlined a process that at some point he was going
20:11
Speaker 4: to move on from LaMelo, move on from Miles. That
20:15
Speaker 4: just happened to come after the first real winning season
20:19
Speaker 4: this franchise has had in almost a decade, and you
20:22
Speaker 4: know a back half of the season where they were
20:24
Speaker 4: you know, from an analytics perspective of a top three
20:26
Speaker 4: team in the entire NBA.
20:29
Speaker 3: The league has largely in those that cover the league
20:32
Speaker 3: have basically basically praised Jeff Peterson ad nauseum for how
20:40
Speaker 3: many assets he's acquired, what he's done. I will trust
20:43
Speaker 3: those in the league that know about the value of
20:48
Speaker 3: all he's acquired, whether it's cap flexibility, the draft choices,
20:52
Speaker 3: whatever it is. I trust those in the league more
20:55
Speaker 3: so than the fans because the fans and we are fans,
20:59
Speaker 3: but we want the media, we want the now, we
21:01
Speaker 3: want to capitalize on last year. That's what phantom is.
21:04
Speaker 3: You want more of what you saw. But ultimately he's
21:07
Speaker 3: trying to build something for the long term, kind of
21:10
Speaker 3: like the Panthers have tried to do. Also, it's not
21:14
Speaker 3: just about get in, succeed and never get back. The
21:19
Speaker 3: Hornets are trying to build something that those teams at
21:22
Speaker 3: the top of the East have for a very long time.
21:24
Speaker 4: If Bobby Marks, if Brian Windhors, if these guys did
21:28
Speaker 4: not agree or see the value in what he was doing.
21:33
Speaker 4: Both those guys would be critical of the move, but
21:36
Speaker 4: look at just how different and I'm not comparing LaMelo
21:39
Speaker 4: Ball the player to Jylen Brown the player, but look
21:44
Speaker 4: at how the national media responded to the move the
21:47
Speaker 4: Hornets made trading away LaMelo.
21:50
Speaker 2: Well.
21:50
Speaker 4: Here locally, even myself included, did not think that Jeff
21:54
Speaker 4: Peterson got enough in return.
21:56
Speaker 2: For LaMelo Ball.
21:57
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it's nas reed pick,
22:00
Speaker 4: swabs and an unprotected first round pick. I thought that
22:04
Speaker 4: he could have garnered more than that on the trade block,
22:07
Speaker 4: but the national media thought that the Hornets got extreme
22:10
Speaker 4: value for that move. Look at the way the Jalen
22:13
Speaker 4: Brown trade was discussed. It was criticized by virtually every
22:18
Speaker 4: national media member from the NBA saying they did not
22:22
Speaker 4: get enough.
22:24
Speaker 2: And I don't know how much of.
22:25
Speaker 3: The dispraise of what the Hornets got a lot for
22:27
Speaker 3: what they have acquired just in assets. And I was.
22:32
Speaker 4: Watching some of Brad Stevens's presser on Monday, and he
22:36
Speaker 4: ended up having to kind of get defensive because that's
22:38
Speaker 4: not an easy media to deal with up there in Boston,
22:42
Speaker 4: and they were just really trying to get to the
22:43
Speaker 4: crux as to why you traded away you know, one
22:47
Speaker 4: of the best two way players in the NBA and
22:49
Speaker 4: did not get the type of value you thought that
22:52
Speaker 4: player would have demanded on the trade that on the
22:55
Speaker 4: trade block.
22:55
Speaker 2: So I think.
23:00
Speaker 4: That's the thing that we look at how you build
23:02
Speaker 4: in football. Think that's how you build in every sport,
23:05
Speaker 4: and that's not the case. The way that the draft
23:08
Speaker 4: works in the NFL, it does allow you to improve
23:11
Speaker 4: your team and go from non competitive one year competitive
23:15
Speaker 4: the next year. The NBA doesn't want to have a
23:18
Speaker 4: processing type era again where you have a team doing
23:22
Speaker 4: what the Sixers did, where they were just full blown
23:24
Speaker 4: tanking for a number of years. But the way that
23:27
Speaker 4: you rebuild when you're a small market team in the
23:30
Speaker 4: NBA is acquire all the tradable assets that he that
23:33
Speaker 4: he has, like the thunder have, he has given himself
23:37
Speaker 4: the opportunity to actually build a long term sustained winner
23:42
Speaker 4: here if he executes his assets and gets the most
23:45
Speaker 4: out of them.
23:46
Speaker 3: Moving forward, send in your text seven oh four five,
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23:58
Speaker 3: Miami's been better for weeks now now, he says, Jeff
24:01
Speaker 3: Peterson will be fired by Christmas. I will, I will,
24:06
Speaker 3: I will bet you that's not gonna happen. I will
24:08
Speaker 3: bet you all the all the money I have and
24:12
Speaker 3: all the deli meat in my fridge. I don't I
24:15
Speaker 3: don't really know why I was thinking about deli meat
24:16
Speaker 3: in my frig Do.
24:17
Speaker 2: You have pastrami in there? Because I might take you
24:19
Speaker 2: up on the on the bett ere.
24:20
Speaker 3: Yeah no, But I will bet you Zach and Miami
24:23
Speaker 3: that he's not fired by by Christmas. No, zero percent chance,
24:27
Speaker 3: zero percent chance, because what he set up for the future.
24:32
Speaker 3: What Yes, the trades may not make a lot of
24:35
Speaker 3: sense to you, but the team's not gonna go well,
24:37
Speaker 3: you're really you're really screwed us for the future with
24:39
Speaker 3: all this money and draft picks. No chance that dude's
24:43
Speaker 3: fired by Christmas.
24:44
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a scenario bone.
24:47
Speaker 4: I mean, unless crap hits the fan and things get
24:51
Speaker 4: really out of hand. But they could miss the playoffs
24:54
Speaker 4: next year, they can miss the play in tournament. And
24:56
Speaker 4: I don't think Charles Lee's getting fired like I I
25:00
Speaker 4: really do think this is a I don't want to
25:05
Speaker 4: go jay Z, I don't want to go seven year process,
25:07
Speaker 4: seven year build. But I think the Hornets new ownership,
25:12
Speaker 4: I think they're in this for the long haul, which
25:15
Speaker 4: is why after winning forty four games, like Flounder and
25:19
Speaker 4: I were arguing three weeks ago because he didn't think
25:22
Speaker 4: it was fair to expect him to win fifty games
25:24
Speaker 4: next year if they ran it back and with what
25:26
Speaker 4: they would have added in the draft, I thought that
25:29
Speaker 4: was gonna be. The expectation was if everybody was back,
25:32
Speaker 4: maybe you do trade away Miles. But we were talking
25:35
Speaker 4: about a team winning and competing for fifty wins, winning
25:39
Speaker 4: and competing for not only top six in the East
25:41
Speaker 4: to avoid the play in. Maybe you get all the
25:43
Speaker 4: way inside the top four, you're hosting a first round
25:46
Speaker 4: playoff series. There's still a lot of offseason left to
25:49
Speaker 4: be done. That's no longer my expectation here, Like I
25:53
Speaker 4: think now we're looking on a team that's probably equipped
25:55
Speaker 4: to win thirty five, thirty eight games, and it's competing
25:59
Speaker 4: more for the nine to ten spot for the play
26:01
Speaker 4: in as opposed to maybe finishing top six in the
26:04
Speaker 4: league out right.
26:05
Speaker 3: I think we also have to remember that the young
26:08
Speaker 3: stars are not done growing yet either. If they just
26:11
Speaker 3: stayed the same, it would be a problem. So there's
26:14
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on Brandon Miller to go to
26:17
Speaker 3: the next level, a potential All Star. CON's got to
26:20
Speaker 3: be what he was last year until the last handful
26:23
Speaker 3: of games. But let's not over what Kobe White coming back,
26:25
Speaker 3: and also the presence of nas Reed. They got a
26:28
Speaker 3: lot of depth on this team. It's just not star depth.
26:32
Speaker 3: It's really good players. It's a lot of role players.
26:35
Speaker 3: They have to figure out who the star that they
26:38
Speaker 3: may want to get is down the line, or is
26:39
Speaker 3: it Brandon Miller. They've got a lot of dudes here
26:43
Speaker 3: that can still win them some basketball games next year.
26:45
Speaker 3: East is getting better, so it might be a problem.
26:48
Speaker 3: But I don't think we're I don't think we're going
26:51
Speaker 3: back to the the MJ. Rich Joe Bobcat days. I
26:54
Speaker 3: think where it's going to be a battle to be
26:58
Speaker 3: relevant in the East next year terms of the postseason.
27:01
Speaker 3: But I don't think this team is going to be
27:03
Speaker 3: out of the mix though. They're going to be right
27:04
Speaker 3: there in terms of near where they were a year ago.
27:09
Speaker 4: I brought this up the other day when we filled
27:12
Speaker 4: in for Colin on Monday, because after the LaMelo Ball trade,
27:17
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say we don't know what
27:19
Speaker 4: all Jeff Peterson wants to do.
27:22
Speaker 2: With this roster moving forward.
27:24
Speaker 4: I was not comfortable making the Jalen Brown trade because
27:26
Speaker 4: I didn't want to trade away Brandon Miller, Like I
27:28
Speaker 4: want to see what Brandon Miller could grow into, what
27:32
Speaker 4: he could develop into if he were to stay healthy,
27:35
Speaker 4: play you know, north of seventy games on a semi
27:38
Speaker 4: regular basis. Is there a scenario bone where they've made
27:44
Speaker 4: these moves that they've made, They've got, you know, clear
27:48
Speaker 4: from ownership that hey, your jobs are on the line.
27:51
Speaker 4: Is this an evaluation year for Brandon Miller in his
27:56
Speaker 4: long term future?
27:57
Speaker 3: I think so, because they did not give him up
27:59
Speaker 3: apparently for Jayalen Brown.
28:01
Speaker 4: Because I brought When I brought that up to Flounder Shrup,
28:04
Speaker 4: they thought that that would I got. I got a
28:06
Speaker 4: lot of pushback that no, there's no way that you
28:09
Speaker 4: could see them like cause, like Flounder said, they're going.
28:11
Speaker 3: Into year four and it's all there for him to
28:15
Speaker 3: have to be the star cod's going in the year two.
28:19
Speaker 3: He's still got a little more time and he's still
28:21
Speaker 3: you know, he's off a great rookie year. Brandon Miller
28:25
Speaker 3: has to prove that he's a one A. I think
28:28
Speaker 3: this year asdays all things considered.
28:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like because Flounder made the point that, well, there's
28:33
Speaker 4: no doubt you have to pay him, I don't think
28:36
Speaker 4: they're in any rush to pay him.
28:38
Speaker 2: I think I think they want to.
28:39
Speaker 4: I think he's It's not to the same degree that
28:43
Speaker 4: it is with with Bryce Young, but I think they
28:46
Speaker 4: want to see, Okay, what are you on a night in,
28:50
Speaker 4: night out?
28:50
Speaker 2: Basis, can you be a one of one win? Can
28:53
Speaker 2: you be? Can you be that guy?
28:55
Speaker 4: And if not, then I don't think Jeff Peterson have
28:58
Speaker 4: any problem you using him and all the different other
29:02
Speaker 4: assets that he's acquired to make him move to maybe
29:06
Speaker 4: acquire that guy. And so I think that's I think
29:09
Speaker 4: this is just another year in the evaluation process. I
29:13
Speaker 4: think if he passes the test, then I think they'll
29:16
Speaker 4: have no problem committing to him and building around him
29:19
Speaker 4: and Conker Nipple moving forward. Like Brian Windhorse said the
29:23
Speaker 4: night of the LaMelo ball trade, because the LaMelo trade
29:27
Speaker 4: just screams to me that they think last year was
29:30
Speaker 4: an outlier, that they don't think they could go into
29:33
Speaker 4: every year expecting him to be available seventy two nights,
29:36
Speaker 4: because moment if they thought that, I don't think they
29:37
Speaker 4: trade him.
29:38
Speaker 2: At the end of the day.
29:39
Speaker 4: I think they would have kept him and really built
29:42
Speaker 4: around that young nucleus that played at such a high level.
29:45
Speaker 4: After January first, I think they had their evaluation of LaMelo.
29:50
Speaker 4: We don't this is sustainable, Let's get rid of him.
29:53
Speaker 4: I do think that this is an evaluation year for
29:56
Speaker 4: Brandon Miller being a guy that they build their roster
29:58
Speaker 4: around moving forward.
30:00
Speaker 3: I think it goes into what Zach Lowe was talking
30:02
Speaker 3: about when he got traded. Let's think about Wamelo and
30:05
Speaker 3: the big question about him, the durability. Right Minnesota gets
30:10
Speaker 3: to the postseason, they get in the series, they go
30:14
Speaker 3: relatively far with their current group, they have LaMelo to that.
30:18
Speaker 3: Do we think that the more games he's going to
30:21
Speaker 3: play into the postseason, do you trust him against the
30:25
Speaker 3: physical nature of say the Spurs, the Thunder, those teams
30:29
Speaker 3: out West. It'll be very interesting fitty of how Wamelo
30:34
Speaker 3: physically holds up in series. More games against those physical
30:39
Speaker 3: teams and maybe the Hornets flat out in the East said,
30:42
Speaker 3: if we want to go into these series and play
30:43
Speaker 3: in playoff basketball, we don't trust him to hold up
30:46
Speaker 3: very long when he's playing that many more games. Yeah,
30:49
Speaker 3: I think if we can't, we can't get through the
30:51
Speaker 3: regular season. Now Minnesota gets them and they've got to
30:54
Speaker 3: get him through multiple series. Right, that's just off who
30:56
Speaker 3: they are.
30:57
Speaker 2: That's a fair point.
30:59
Speaker 4: Body also has to get along with his new teammate,
31:01
Speaker 4: and I think that's what's gonna be the Wolves. How
31:04
Speaker 4: many times have we said that the Timberwolves are gonna
31:07
Speaker 4: be must watch every night and really like a must follow.
31:11
Speaker 4: This might be the one benefit from stro now working
31:14
Speaker 4: for the Timberwolves where she's around the team a lot
31:16
Speaker 4: more often. Because I'm interested in this LaMelo Ball, Anthony
31:20
Speaker 4: Edwards dynamic, right, Like Anthony Edwards is a guy that
31:22
Speaker 4: when he walks on the court, he is there to
31:25
Speaker 4: kick your ass.
31:26
Speaker 2: He is like he is there to compete.
31:28
Speaker 4: I don't know if LaMelo Ball has that same fire
31:31
Speaker 4: on a night in, night out basis, when it shows up,
31:33
Speaker 4: it shows up in a big way. Look at what
31:35
Speaker 4: he did against Miami in the playing tournament, But you're
31:39
Speaker 4: talking about him playing longer series.
31:41
Speaker 2: They got to get to the playoffs first.
31:42
Speaker 4: Man, Like, there's a scenario where that just that completely
31:46
Speaker 4: crumbles because those two egos do not mesh very well.
31:51
Speaker 4: And if that's the case, maybe we view this trade
31:54
Speaker 4: a lot different because we all are very high on
31:57
Speaker 4: nas Reed. But there's no doubt that they made the
32:00
Speaker 4: move thinking we don't know if he can be available
32:03
Speaker 4: for eighty two nights in the regular season, let alone
32:06
Speaker 4: hold up on deep playoff runs, which is what this
32:08
Speaker 4: which is what this new regime is building towards.
32:11
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Speaker 4: Let's turn our attention to Wimbledon.
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Speaker 2: The All England Club.
33:26
Speaker 4: An epic match yesterday as Novak Djokovic played the longest
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Speaker 4: quarterfinal match in the history of the event, his longest
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33:59
Speaker 4: Wimbledon yesterday.
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Speaker 3: What a time for forty year olds, right, Novak, Well,
34:04
Speaker 3: braun messy myself, I mean, we got forty year olds
34:07
Speaker 3: out there just completely crushing it, right, correct.
34:13
Speaker 2: Including yourself?
34:14
Speaker 3: Huh?
34:14
Speaker 2: Including yourself?
34:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm coaching up a dog. Every day I'm out there.
34:17
Speaker 3: I'm I've revived myself. My wife is some some people
34:21
Speaker 3: say that I'm reaching my my my peak of life
34:23
Speaker 3: right now again, I'm back baby. Now.
34:25
Speaker 2: No one's saying that I haven't heard the rumors. But
34:28
Speaker 2: it took you long enough.
34:30
Speaker 3: Also, Uh, what listener? How did a listener get my
34:33
Speaker 3: cell phone number?
34:34
Speaker 2: Today?
34:36
Speaker 3: A listener left me a voicemail today pretending to be
34:40
Speaker 3: Weatherman Mark, and I don't I don't understand. I got
34:43
Speaker 3: a prey call of someone pretending to be Weatherman Mark.
34:46
Speaker 3: How did this happen?
34:47
Speaker 2: Are you sure this wasn't Weatherman Mark from a different number.
34:50
Speaker 3: There's no, there's no way. There's it said, Why don't
34:54
Speaker 3: we get well Braun James to play basketball and football?
34:58
Speaker 3: I don't know why I've got I have to deal
35:00
Speaker 3: with weather Man Mark enough now I got a fake one?
35:03
Speaker 3: How my number get out there? And where were you
35:05
Speaker 3: doing this whole thing? Because you left and all of
35:08
Speaker 3: a sudden I got a call. Where did you go?
35:10
Speaker 2: It was not me. I was.
35:14
Speaker 4: Either in the bathroom or getting water when this took place.
35:16
Speaker 4: You know what this might be Mac and Mac from
35:19
Speaker 4: the cruise podcast.
35:20
Speaker 3: Pranked me before from aided cell phone with like that
35:23
Speaker 3: would all like that thing where you can do like
35:25
Speaker 3: prank calls. You think, so is impossible that this could
35:29
Speaker 3: be Mac? Right, we may have to do some digging.
35:31
Speaker 3: You still have the number. It's well, it gives like
35:34
Speaker 3: a random number. It's like a Virginia area code. Oh,
35:36
Speaker 3: he's called me before from Aiden's phone and left me voicemail.
35:40
Speaker 2: You should you should cold call it back and see
35:42
Speaker 2: if it won't.
35:43
Speaker 3: It won't. It's just like a fake number. It doesn't
35:45
Speaker 3: like it's a whole it's a whole like app thing. Okay,
35:49
Speaker 3: I think it was Mac because Mac was my impression
35:52
Speaker 3: of weather Man Mark right, so he.
35:54
Speaker 2: Lives all of our impression because he can't do it himself.
35:57
Speaker 3: Why is Mac pranking me from a cruise ship?
35:59
Speaker 2: It's mad.
35:59
Speaker 3: It's got to be Mac. I knew it. Now. I
36:02
Speaker 3: can't call him back becuse he's got no phone working.
36:04
Speaker 3: All right, we come back. I'm going to rank the
36:06
Speaker 3: top five teams in the Carolinas entering college football season. Yeah,
36:11
Speaker 3: it's an impossible task I've taken on sports Radio ninety
36:14
Speaker 3: two to seven. O W, you went finsy welcome back,
36:30
Speaker 3: Mac and Bone show. Fiddy doing a great job running
36:33
Speaker 3: things here in Max's absence. He is on his cruise
36:36
Speaker 3: ship right now, obviously very busy, uh Pray calling me
36:40
Speaker 3: apparently from the breakfast BFFET. So I'm, you know, guys
36:43
Speaker 3: on a cruise ship and always thinking about it is
36:45
Speaker 3: what we're doing here, Fiddy.
36:47
Speaker 2: We're always on his mind, my ward.
36:49
Speaker 3: Enjoy your cruise. I can't call him back because his
36:52
Speaker 3: phone's not working. This is just so oh my gracious. Well,
36:55
Speaker 3: before Mac left, I said, hey, man, why doesn't one
36:59
Speaker 3: of us rank the top five football teams in the
37:01
Speaker 3: Carolinas entering this season. I gotta tell you mag a
37:05
Speaker 3: little bit scared. Mack didn't want to do it. He said, Bonesy,
37:09
Speaker 3: that's a tough task because these teams don't feel very
37:12
Speaker 3: good right now. As soon as he left, I said,
37:15
Speaker 3: give me the rock, Fitty. I'm gonna run the football
37:17
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna rank these top five teams in the Carolinas.
37:21
Speaker 3: Then I got to do in my list here and
37:23
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, SLF, this is the horrible idea.
37:26
Speaker 3: This is nearly impossible, because you could ask one hundred
37:29
Speaker 3: people to rank these top five teams. They may all
37:33
Speaker 3: have different answers, they're all flaws, they all have something
37:37
Speaker 3: wrong with them. Some have some good things. But when
37:39
Speaker 3: you get to the bottom of the list, may is
37:43
Speaker 3: it tough.
37:44
Speaker 4: I'm just five teams just the college or the Panthers factor.
37:50
Speaker 3: And no, this is the five college teams in the Carolinas.
37:52
Speaker 3: Are yeah, the five college teams in the Carolinas. So
37:55
Speaker 3: when you get to the bottom of the list here,
37:57
Speaker 3: it's it's dire straight to already know at number five,
38:02
Speaker 3: people are gonna say, oh, what a homer. I'm not
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Speaker 3: even sure they're five number five based off the rest
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Speaker 3: of the list, I'm going to Duke Blue Devils in
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Speaker 3: large part because they've done it before. Two years under
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Speaker 3: many d as. I said, oh, they're probably not as
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Speaker 3: good as they were previously, and year one he did it.
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Speaker 3: Last year he did it, And based off the other
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Speaker 3: team's yere, I feel good about the four in front
38:27
Speaker 3: of them. In some order. I think Duke right there
38:31
Speaker 3: by attrition ends up as number five entering the season.
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Speaker 4: Crazy to think that they're coming off the ACC championship win,
38:38
Speaker 4: but they still clock in number five. But I think
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Speaker 4: if Manny Dias gets Duke back to a Bowl game
38:46
Speaker 4: post another winning record. Duke, it might be looking for
38:49
Speaker 4: another head coach because at some point people look at
38:51
Speaker 4: the job he's doing in Durham and say, what could
38:54
Speaker 4: they do with our with our money in our rea.
38:56
Speaker 3: Know, it's one of those weird things where you want
38:57
Speaker 3: them to be good, but hey, you know, throw it
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Speaker 3: a six win season here, many let's not let's not
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Speaker 3: go eight or not. And I think even people will say, oh,
39:05
Speaker 3: you're I don't know who else to put that, because
39:08
Speaker 3: to me, Belichick's still got to prove it. Jake dickerd
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Speaker 3: and Wag did it last year. I mean, I guess
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Speaker 3: maybe again. And then you know, you've got a couple
39:17
Speaker 3: other teams on there that I don't think are ready
39:19
Speaker 3: or in the top five right now. Number four, that's
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Speaker 3: called being at sick baby me and voice guy Number
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Speaker 3: four put them wolfpack fingers up fitting No, no, no,
39:32
Speaker 3: that's a that's a little figure. Hey, settle down there.
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Speaker 3: I'm going NC State number four. Certainly they're settled at
39:38
Speaker 3: the quarterback spot. But to me, there's a lot to
39:42
Speaker 3: prove there, and I need to schedule. It's sneaky tough
39:45
Speaker 3: off the beginning. Number four ends state.
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Speaker 2: No comment.
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Speaker 3: Number three had no comment.
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Speaker 2: Nothing to say about State being four.
39:56
Speaker 3: By the way, I think I'm starting to lose my
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Speaker 3: voice a little bit. Is this is this your dream
39:59
Speaker 3: right now? Fitty Mac is on a cruise, he's got
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Speaker 3: no phone, and I'm starting my voice. He's starting to
40:06
Speaker 3: go out a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Here it would be, but we know that Willie p
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Speaker 4: would be in the area today.
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Speaker 2: I won't do Gollie wars, y'all. I'm coming to take
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Speaker 2: over the station.
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Speaker 3: You I if I lose my voice, would you just
40:18
Speaker 3: talk to yourself the rest of the show.
40:19
Speaker 4: I mean I talk to myself all the time, so
40:21
Speaker 4: I could talk to myself for two hours.
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Speaker 3: All right? So I've got Duke five stay four, Number
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Speaker 3: three are Oh can you guess what that is?
40:32
Speaker 2: I was wondering where ECU is coming in on your list.
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Speaker 3: ECU number three. Some people are even calling me pirate Bone,
40:38
Speaker 3: which I think. Don't google that, by the way on
40:41
Speaker 3: your work computer. I'm going ECU number three. I think
40:45
Speaker 3: they're gonna get the most. They're gonna be right up there.
40:48
Speaker 3: I think for the most wins of these teams. I
40:50
Speaker 3: think ECU number three, and I get called an ECU
40:54
Speaker 3: eter a lot of times, but I think, on this list,
40:56
Speaker 3: what an honor to be number three on this prestigious list.
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Speaker 2: I think it does two things. Boon.
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Speaker 4: One, it tells you just the job that Harrold has
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Speaker 4: done with that program, elevating them to this spot where
41:08
Speaker 4: they could be not only in the top five, but
41:10
Speaker 4: they they come in at top three. It also highlights
41:14
Speaker 4: how bad the football is in the surrounding areas, Ie
41:18
Speaker 4: you look at Chapel Hill in North Carolina, maybe not
41:21
Speaker 4: of trust yet and with trusts yet, and Jake Dickard
41:23
Speaker 4: of what he's done at Wake fourst A.
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Speaker 2: ECU comes in number three.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can flip State and ECU. That's one there.
41:31
Speaker 3: Like I said, all these ones in the top four
41:33
Speaker 3: to me are interchangeable, so you can you can flip
41:37
Speaker 3: them around, and obviously that wouldn't be a big deal.
41:39
Speaker 3: But I just think ECU is ultimately going to have
41:42
Speaker 3: a better year for who they are that NC stable
41:46
Speaker 3: number two, number two Clubs and Tigers. I said, they're
41:50
Speaker 3: going to be good, but nowhere near what they used
41:53
Speaker 3: to be. And this is kind of little claims to
41:57
Speaker 3: who they are now in the ACC should wrack up
42:00
Speaker 3: a lot of wins, but we also said that last year.
42:04
Speaker 3: So I think Clemson is number two on this list.
42:08
Speaker 4: Feels like this is the crossroads season's season for Dabo
42:13
Speaker 4: swinging this Clemson Tiger program. I've got a lot of
42:16
Speaker 4: heat when I said yesterday, I think Clempson is poised
42:19
Speaker 4: to win ten games. I think they'll lose the two
42:21
Speaker 4: games that they probably should lose. We look at their schedule.
42:24
Speaker 4: I think they'll lose at LSU. I think they'll lose
42:27
Speaker 4: to Miami. We're talking about another eight and four, seven
42:30
Speaker 4: and five season for Dabo, who at the end of
42:33
Speaker 4: his reign there in Death Valley.
42:35
Speaker 3: And on this list is the game Cocks. I think
42:38
Speaker 3: they're kind of ranked in that twenty five thirty range
42:43
Speaker 3: in a lot of projections there. If it's not now
42:45
Speaker 3: for Beamer and the Fellas, when is it ever gonna be.
42:48
Speaker 3: He's got lenrs Seller's back, He's got Dylan Stewart on defense.
42:52
Speaker 3: To make the case that do they have the two
42:54
Speaker 3: best players in the Carolinas potentially when they're on their game,
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Speaker 3: Sellers and Dylan Stewart, they're both there. I think it's
43:02
Speaker 3: got to be this year. The schedule plays out a
43:04
Speaker 3: lot better at the front end. This year gets a
43:06
Speaker 3: little tougher on the back end. But if Shane Biemer
43:09
Speaker 3: is not going to elevate them to at least they
43:12
Speaker 3: did a couple of years ago. But I think they've
43:15
Speaker 3: got to get back to that level, and it's all
43:17
Speaker 3: set up for them to do it this year. I'm
43:19
Speaker 3: expecting a really good season from the game Cops be.
43:22
Speaker 4: The rest of the see what version of South Carolina
43:25
Speaker 4: do we get? Do we get on the precipice of
43:28
Speaker 4: the playoffs South Carolina? Because if we get that version,
43:32
Speaker 4: I don't think they factor into the playoff discussion this year.
43:35
Speaker 4: But they could win eight to nine games, or if
43:38
Speaker 4: some of the issues not corrected and they're not maximizing
43:42
Speaker 4: the talent they have on that roster, as you mentioned
43:44
Speaker 4: with Lenors at QB, with Stewart on the defensive side
43:47
Speaker 4: of the football.
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Speaker 3: So my top five now Duke five, Stay four, ECU three,
43:51
Speaker 3: Clemson two, South Carolina one. The ones that just missed
43:55
Speaker 3: or didn't make it, I should say, the Heels, Charlotte
44:00
Speaker 3: app and wake Forest app State. We have no clue
44:05
Speaker 3: they could end up five four. They could end up
44:07
Speaker 3: the war. I have no idea what app state will be.
44:10
Speaker 3: Wake Forest is one that I'm I kind of contemplated
44:13
Speaker 3: with Duke because they did it last year and I
44:15
Speaker 3: liked Dick here, but I just went with many Diaz
44:18
Speaker 3: and Duke and UNC under Belichick. I don't I think
44:21
Speaker 3: even UNC fans would agree that it's really a node. Hey, look,
44:24
Speaker 3: who knows. Maybe they cracked this at some point, but
44:27
Speaker 3: not right now.
44:27
Speaker 4: I'd love to have the confidence in that Hunter on
44:30
Speaker 4: the text line calls you delusional, thinks Beemer does not
44:33
Speaker 4: last until December. I don't see South Carolina making an
44:38
Speaker 4: in season change.
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Speaker 2: Unless they just starting.
44:42
Speaker 3: His recruiting also has been off the charge. He got
44:44
Speaker 3: another five star last week, so I don't I don't
44:47
Speaker 3: think he's I don't think he's getting I don't think
44:50
Speaker 3: it's gonna be bad enough for him to get fired
44:52
Speaker 3: unless it goes like Sellers gets injured in something. Really,
44:56
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't know. I think he's gonna do
44:58
Speaker 3: well enough to uh take to keep the job there
45:00
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