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Is Cal Raleigh back? D'backs-Cubs tipping BEEF, Phils streak ends, Ohtani mound plan, Dumb balk rule? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, top of the show. I feel like we should
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  Speaker 1: cover the teams we don't talk about as often.
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  Speaker 2: Who don't we talk about?
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like we don't talk about the Cleveland Guardians enough.
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  Speaker 1: They're in the wild card race and Eric Kratz has
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: a Chase DeLauder shirt.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we talk about them a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Do you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We talk about the Guardians a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Which team do you feel like we talk about the least?
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  Speaker 1: I have another question.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, probably the Rockies because they aren't relevant.
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  Speaker 1: What about of the teams that have any.
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  Speaker 2: Semblance of– Marlins, we don't talk about a ton. The Marlins,
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  Speaker 2: although we have a fish on first show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to talk about the Marlins later
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  Speaker 1: with Ken.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the Rockies would be the team we
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: probably talk about the least.
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  Speaker 1: What about teams that are in contention?
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  Speaker 2: With what?
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  Speaker 1: Teams this year that are in contention. So get rid
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  Speaker 1: of like the 10 teams that are out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Of the 20 teams that have a semblance of a
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  Speaker 1: chance at a playoff spot, I don't think we talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Rangers a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot because– They don't have anyone that really says anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody talks there.
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  Speaker 2: Not nobody, but not many. Orioles, I guess we did talk.
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  Speaker 2: Rangers are– We've talked twins a lot.
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  Speaker 1: No, we talk twins a lot. All right, so let's
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  Speaker 1: get to the team we don't talk about the most, right?
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  Speaker 1: The team that we talk about the least is actually
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: the way to say it. The Dodgers. Did you know
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: that we have a Yamamoto shirt? FoulTerritoryShop.com. Just showing off
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  Speaker 1: all the cool shirts we're unveiling as we go here.
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  Speaker 1: There will be a shirt for every team pretty soon
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  Speaker 1: and eventually maybe even every player. If you have requests
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  Speaker 1: on players that you feel like you're interested in that
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  Speaker 1: you would actually buy, not just I'm throwing a random
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: player out there, go for it. The top two sellers
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  Speaker 1: right now are? Any guesses?
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  Speaker 2: Murakami.
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  Speaker 1: Close, but no. Same team.
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  Speaker 2: Antonacci? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm. Is he popular?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone in the White Sox is popular right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because right now they're the two seed. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: have you thought about this? The White Sox, to get
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  Speaker 2: to the World Series, are going to have to play
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  Speaker 2: the winner of the Rangers in the sixth seed, whether
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  Speaker 2: that's the Guardians, Twins, Tigers, whoever the sixth seed is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the AL West winner, you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: The AL West winner, right? I'm saying right now it
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  Speaker 2: would be the Rangers against the Guardians or Astros or
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  Speaker 2: Twins or Blue Jays, whoever that sixth seed is, okay?
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: They would play the White Sox in a five-game series.
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  Speaker 2: The other side of the bracket, by the way, the
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  Speaker 2: Rays are going to get the Yankees, Red Sox. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me add to that. Tim Healy put this
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  Speaker 1: out yesterday, who covers the Red Sox, comes on the
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  Speaker 1: show often. He's like, do the Red Sox want their
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  Speaker 1: current wildcard seat? Or do they want the crappier wild
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  Speaker 1: card seed? I don't think they're going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to get it because they're too far off.
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  Speaker 2: The crappier wild card seed? I mean, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: play the Red Sox either way. Four or five. They'll
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  Speaker 2: be the four or five seed. No, no.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying if the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 2: The Red Sox. Oh, they want to be the six seed? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: As the six seed would play.
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  Speaker 2: They have a seven game lead. They're not blowing that.
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  Speaker 1: No, they're not. But he just threw it out there
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  Speaker 1: and just pulled people. And most people were like, I'd
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  Speaker 1: rather play. as the third wildcard this year because of
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  Speaker 1: the AL West.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then the White Sox, right, they have to
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  Speaker 2: play the winner of that. Let's say they get through that.
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  Speaker 2: Then they have to play the Rays, Yankees, or Red
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  Speaker 2: Sox who have just gone through one or two series
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  Speaker 2: of beating the crap out of each other. And the
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  Speaker 2: White Sox, they have a chance to go to the
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  Speaker 2: World Series.
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  Speaker 1: But this actually creates a lane.
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  Speaker 2: Think about that. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: This creates a lane, though, for the sub-500 team that
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  Speaker 1: could come out of the third wildcard.
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  Speaker 2: Or be the AL West winner. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm saying they could beat the AL West winner.
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  Speaker 1: That's crappy wildcard team. Then they play the White Sox.
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  Speaker 1: No offense to the White Sox, but they aren't super battle-tested.
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  Speaker 1: That path could be intriguing for a sub-500 team to
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  Speaker 1: get far.
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  Speaker 2: For the Astros team that fires their GM. Who starts
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  Speaker 2: the first game?
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  Speaker 5: Who starts the first game is the question that will
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  Speaker 5: be asked for the White Sox when they make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Burke. That's easy. He's the best pitcher. Sean Burke.
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  Speaker 2: There's not even a question. Okay. Who else do you
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  Speaker 2: think it would be? That's the answer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm John Burke. And Castillo will slot in somewhere. Davis Martin,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Davis Martin's been up and down, but he's on the A's.
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  Speaker 1: And he's hurt. All right, enough White Sox talk. Let's
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: get to the streaking Mariners. Is Cal Raleigh back?
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  Speaker 2: No. Wow. It's one game. It's one game. He had
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: a great game. Three homer game. I mean, Scooter Jeanette
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  Speaker 2: hit four homers in a game. Was he a Hall
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: of Fame player? No. I mean, it was a great
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  Speaker 2: game for Cal. Three hits, three homers. He's still hitting
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  Speaker 2: 160 with a low sixes OPS.
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  Speaker 1: You need to see a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: I need to see a lot more. He had, you know,
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  Speaker 2: 1,000 OPS almost last year. I think it was right
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  Speaker 2: at nine high nines. He also had 60 homers. He
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  Speaker 2: has 17. No, he's not back.
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  Speaker 1: Mariners have won one in a row.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mariners are hot, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Phillies had won nine in a row, Crafts, but they
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  Speaker 1: lost this one. Zach Wheeler did not look good. He
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: hasn't looked good lately. Gave up four dingers. I want
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: to focus on the positive first. Do you feel as
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  Speaker 1: strongly as AJ does? Do you think there's a chance
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: that Cal Raleigh suddenly finds it and helps ignite the Mariners'
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: offense to even close to average league-wise and that gets
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: them over the playoff hump and either in a wild
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  Speaker 1: card spot or the division?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't even know close to average league-wise,
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  Speaker 5: just Cal Raleigh-wide average. Like, if he gets his OPS
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  Speaker 5: up to 700 for the season, that would be a
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  Speaker 5: mega lift for this offense that has struggled, not last night,
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  Speaker 5: but for most of the season. So to get him
• 6:02
  Speaker 5: to just his, closer to his career average, yeah, I
• 6:08
  Speaker 5: think he can do that. I mean, he's... You're riding
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  Speaker 5: high after a three-home run game, but he also had
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  Speaker 5: a home run, I think, Friday night against the Cubs right-handed.
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  Speaker 2: I think you.
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  Speaker 5: Have to feel like it's going to turn. I've said
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  Speaker 5: this probably four or five times at least this season,
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  Speaker 5: and maybe this is the time.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't mean him becoming a league
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  Speaker 1: average hitter. I meant the Mariners becoming more of a
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  Speaker 1: league average offense because that's what's been dragging them down.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: They were hitting much more last year, led by Cal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cal was better. Naylor was better. Crawford was better.
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  Speaker 2: Julio was better. Everybody was better.
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  Speaker 1: Julio flipped it on us this year. He was better
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  Speaker 1: in the first half.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which normally is the complete opposite. He had a
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  Speaker 2: really good first two months.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Mariners aren't even where they are, which
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  Speaker 5: I think three games out is tough.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not like.
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  Speaker 5: I guess they're kind of in striking distance. They got
• 7:09
  Speaker 5: a decently easy schedule after they get through those next
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  Speaker 5: nine games. But without Dominic Canzone and Randy Rosarena, where
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  Speaker 5: is this team offensively?
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  Speaker 1: Great call.
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  Speaker 2: He's having a great year. Cole Young?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're right. Cole Young too. What about Cole Young?
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  Speaker 1: On the season?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. For a rookie, I think he's... No, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for a rookie.
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  Speaker 2: When you talk to Mariners people, they say Young has
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: been really huge for them. That's fair. Canzone, Young, and Rosarito.
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  Speaker 1: Not just the bat. Like, everything. All-around player.
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  Speaker 2: But the bat, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's gotten a ton of big hits for them.
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  Speaker 1: Right. 703 OPS, 102 OPS +, four-win player.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. You'll take that first year.
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  Speaker 2: They got to get in. They got to get in
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Like..
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  Speaker 5: And so are you saying, you asked, are they a
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  Speaker 5: league average hitting team? I don't believe so. What has
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  Speaker 5: shown you in the last two years that they will
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  Speaker 5: become a league average hitting team? One of the things
• 8:19
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• 8:24
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• 8:28
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• 9:11
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• 9:13
  Speaker 1: prevent any disease. You keep butchering the question I'm asking.
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: You've done it twice now. The first time you were like, oh,
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Cal being league average player. I
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't saying that. I was saying, can Cal spark this
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  Speaker 1: offense to play out production-wise more like a league average offense?
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  Speaker 1: Because if it did that, I think that would have
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: made all the difference. They've been performing as a bottom whatever,
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  Speaker 1: five offense in baseball.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: That's all.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying over the next month and a half, can
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: this offense at least recover a little bit to be
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: more along the lines of league average, which is what
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Cal was talking about post-game. Hey, the whole wipe the
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: rest out, it's an endurance battle, You just look at
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: right now going forward over the next month. That's all
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. No, crap. It's this year. It's not a league.
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  Speaker 1: average offense. It's been a poo-poo offense.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: Poo-poo. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, before the season started, most people were like, oh,
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: they performed well last year, and now..
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: At the end.
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  Speaker 1: What?
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: They performed well at the end.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: I think they performed... consistently much better than they usually do.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: Second half.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. But second half, they were great.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: They got Naylor. They got Suarez. Second half.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: So they bring Naylor back. You expect something.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: Not a great year. Nope.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Not a great year.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: Suarez is not there.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: Young and Emerson. Young, good.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: Emerson's in AAA. Well, he was, and then he got hurt.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually did have surgery. He's having surgery tomorrow.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: On the wrist. But yes, he was playing hurt, whatever.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: And yeah, most of the guys took a step back.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: That's what happens.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: So, it's one game.
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's lots of guys that have great one games.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Domingo Armand threw a perfect game. Phil Humber
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: threw a perfect game.
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  Speaker 1: Cal had never had a three-homer game. I figured maybe
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: last year he had one. Nope.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: He had a lot of two-homer games last year.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 5: He said at no level did he ever do it.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Wow. No Little League three-homer games?
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: His interview. I never had a three-homer game. You haven't?
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: High school, none of that? Nope. Two homer games?
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: Two homer games, yeah.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: In, yeah.
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: Big leagues, minor leagues, yeah. All that. But never three.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: Okay. By the third, they're watching you a little closer
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: in that game. Like, if you have two early, they're like, me.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be careful with this Brzezinski guy.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: He's feeling it today.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Can you see anything from a player in one game? Like, Oh,
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: I like that swing. I like the, you know, one
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: of the pitches on a high heat or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes the matchup just works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also Zach Wheeler has been bad the last.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: Like four starts. He's had over a four, three or
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: four starts.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the same stuff right now. I don't
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: know if he's just going through a rut or what.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: He was so good right away.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: It's such an up and down season. Every, even the
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: best starting pitchers have a few clunk. Christopher Sanchez, who
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: we're showing right there, leads the league in, He had
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: that one start a couple weeks ago where he gave
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: up like seven in two innings or something. I mean,
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: everyone has ups and downs in the season. Chase Burns
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: got whacked around last night, right? I mean, it happens.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: It's hard to go out and every start be perfect. And,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Miz has been the one guy– I mean,
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: his bad start is like three runs. Schlittler gave up
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: a bunch a couple times out, right? But his ERA
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: is still down because they bounced back from it. I mean,
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: I expect Zach Wheeler will figure it out.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Did you see Cal jump and hit his head in
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: the dugout?
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: I did not. What do you think he was playing
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: at Old Tiger Stadium?
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: How tall was that dugout at Old Tiger Stadium?
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: Ken probably could have stood up in it. Oh, man.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: Ken's listening right now, too, because he's about to join us.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Here it is. See?
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: He has his helmet on. That's smart. Yeah. Safe hit.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: For those listening. Cal and Logan Gilbert did a little
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: jump celebration in the dugout, Cal.
• 13:12
  Speaker 5: Progressive Field has heaters on the ceiling of their dugout.
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: That will catch a bald man's head.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if AJ ever hit his head on
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: those heaters. No, I wasn't jumping. You don't have to jump.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: You just walk. You just walk and hit it.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Someone was like, hey, AJ, let's have our celebration, but
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: you and me jump in the dugout. You'd be like, no.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: Not happening.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Not your style. Hey. uh refuse to lose territory while
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: you make your last comment here just want to show
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: everyone we have a mariner show what's.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: Up no i mean some of these dugouts are can
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: be a little dangerous um but nothing will ever top
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: old detroit at nothing you could literally ken might be
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: the only person i know that can stand up fully in.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: It give me a real measurement is it six feet.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: No chance it's not six it was not it's not
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: there anymore but it was not six feet.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know how low like six feet you're hitting
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: your head above six feet. Even if you're six feet tall,
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: basically when you're, if you.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Move up and drop, if you talk to me, I
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: went to Scotland and we went in the RNA, which
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: is where St. Andrews is.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: RNA is Royal and ancient and their clubhouse. They just
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: redid it. And the ceilings were six foot five. So
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: I was walking and ducking and we were with the
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: guy who was six, five. So he was just skimming
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: the top of his head. This was at least a
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: foot shorter.
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: Did you get to the, did you get to the
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: clubhouse from the dugout?
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I've never been to. So you had to get in there.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: You got to the clubhouse from the road. The road,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: there was a door. You literally walked in this door
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: from the road. I mean, right into the clubhouse. I'm
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: sure Ken will tell us when he comes on. You
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: got off the bus, right off the street, right in
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: this door to the clubhouse, which was from me to
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: you from the people. It was just a door. And
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: the clubhouse was about the size of this area we're
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: in right now. And then you walk down this hallway
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: and there was a urinal on the left. And then
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: you went out to the dugout and the dugout was
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: literally like this high. And the best thing about old
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Tiger Stadium was on the urinal above it, it said
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: some of the best players in the history of the
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: game have pissed here. Play like one today.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: That was cool. And then the bullpens were the pillboxes.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: So you literally sat in the dugout and there was
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: like this much, or in the bullpen, and there was
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: this much. You sat and you looked and watched the game.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Like the World War II pillboxes?
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The clubhouse was smaller than Wrigley's.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Old visiting clubhouse. This is back when they gave you
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: a pizza after the game for spreads. It was awesome.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: It was awesome to check it. Old Milwaukee might have
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: been worse, but at least you could stand up in
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: the dugouts there.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: The Rays won on Monday night. 4-1 your final score,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: final line for Frambois Valdez. Six innings, four runs, three earned,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: two walks, no Ks. Okay. Did you see the swing
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: and miss situation? No whiffs on 41 swings? Frambois Valdez
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: can get some whiffs.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Did they have something on? What they did great was
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: they laid off his curveball.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Most swings against the Tigers pitcher. Forget that part. We'll
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: go to the bottom here from Jason Beck. Last MLB
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: pitcher with 41-plus swings without a whiff. Genesis Cabrera in 2019-44.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: This does not happen in today's game.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: No.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: And you would think it would be from someone else.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I know Frambois gets a lot of ground ball contact,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: but he also gets whiffs.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but usually on his curveball, and they were laying
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: off the curveball last night, especially in that first inning.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I watched the first inning of this game, and it
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: was like curveball, curveball, and they fouled off, fouled off,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: fouled off, took it, fouled off, took it, took it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: He hasn't been great this year. Let's just say that.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: He is an interesting case of he's been his whole career.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: He's got no hitter.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: He's got, you know, he'll have ridiculous outings and then
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: he'll have a clunker where it's like, you know, why
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: is his stuff? Why is this stuff not play in
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: certain outings? I feel like it's been a little bit
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: more this year, but. I think that and throwing at
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: his own catcher probably kept him out on the market
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: a little bit longer than you would have thought maybe
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: two years ago that Framber.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Would have been once he got to free agency.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Still ultimately got paid. And also, the one thing he
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: always does is rack innings.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Is what?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Rack up innings.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, he just takes the ball.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. Bella.
• 17:44
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• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Three runs, three earned runs or fewer in 26 of
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: 28 starts for Cade Cavaglia. It's the most in Major
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: League Baseball. Schlittler and Mizorowski have 24. He's got 26.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: He's been good, man.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: He's been so good in my over still hit because,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: but I tell you, the Nationals score a ton of runs.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: They score so many runs, and guess what my bet
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: will be?
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Not always.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: A little sneak peek into my bet lane.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And their bullpen gives up a lot.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Their bullpen gives up. That's what I said. Cavalli could
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: go eight no-hit innings, and they could give up nine
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: in the night.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: It took him a while to really get it all together.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Not this year. Between the injuries and the– no, no, no.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'm saying in his career.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: You know why? Because he came on with us in
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: spring training, and he had that cool mustache.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: That was the difference maker. 22nd overall pick in 2020,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the weird COVID draft. Remember that? There were a number
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of college starters I remember taking back then. Asa Lacy,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: who didn't pan out.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, Asa Lacy. Remember him?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. But it was that same mix.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: There was probably seven or eight guys that were really
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: good in college. I mean, obviously there's. good starters every year,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: but I just remember that mix, and it was weird
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: because you didn't have as many rounds to pick, which
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: is Manfred's dream and all that. But Cade Cavalli has
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: worked out at good timing for the Nats because they're
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: trying to enter the next game.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they had him and Foster Griffin.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Right. They traded Griffin. They're going to need to stack
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: up some pitching this offseason. Yep.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: It's a bony time.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's everyone's favorite. It's a segment we don't get
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to do as often, thanks to the challenge system. But
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Ump Show is back. What do you have for me
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: on Ashton Braxton? Ashcraft.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Ashton Braxcraft?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Ashton Braxcraft. Braxton Ashcraft.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the Chris Sale. This is the Chris Sale.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: So can we figure this out?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So he told the umpires that he was going to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: pitch out of the windup. And then he did it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And then the hitter went by. And then the second hitter,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: they called him for a balk. It's the same thing
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: as Chris Sale. So can we just get some umpire,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: any umpire, come out and say, you have to declare
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: before every hitter. If you just tell the players that,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: they'll do it. But you can't just not have everyone
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: knowing and some umpires call it and some umpires don't
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: call it. To me, that sounds like a good– Same
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: exact umpire. Same umpire. It's Dan Marzell. Well, then maybe
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: he's the only one that doesn't know this. So maybe
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: somebody needs to get to old Dan. He's the only
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: one that's called it. Maybe somebody needs to get to
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: old Dan and tell him to stop. Because, Dan, you're
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: kind of not good right now.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: But when we– I mean, when we talked about this
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: with Sale, somebody in the chat I think said it
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: is technically a rule. It's technically a rule that you
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: have to declare for each batter. And I'll be honest,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: I've never seen it. And in the pitch clock era,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: it's not something that's in that timing of a pitcher,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: timing of a catcher to declare that. And Dan Marzell
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: and his crew has gotten it. It's been Dan both
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: times behind the dish calling it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe it's his problem.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: That sounds like an ump issue.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: It sounds like a one-guy problem. It was like Bach
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and Bob Davidson forever. He was the guy. There are
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: certain guys with umpires that just have certain things that
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you know they're going to call. Dan Merzell is the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: guy who's going to call you for a Bach. Every pitch,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: if I was the pitcher, I'd be like, wind up!
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Just make a mockery of it. Wind up!
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: That's stupid. That's making it about him. Even if he's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the one following the rules, well, then everybody else isn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: following the rules. I think you need to all get
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: together and decide.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Can we just get a clarification from the league?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But that's the league and the umps and all of that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. But can we not get the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: league to come together and say, hey, guys, this is
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: stupid that they have to declare every– if they change,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: if they go from windup to the stretch, fine. It's
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: not that hard. It's time. To me, it's time.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Why do you have to declare each time? To me,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: if you switch, yes, you have to declare. If you
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: have somebody that's on third and you just say, okay,
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: maybe it's a bunt attempt, so we're going to go
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: from the stretch– You got a power hitter, so we're
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: going to go from the windup. No chance the guy's faking, stealing, shift, whatever.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: But if you don't change, to me, why do you
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: have to declare it again?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't. That's my point. But why can't we get
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: clarification from MLB?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Don't you think the teams are calling and complaining at
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: this point?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Well, the Braves and the Pirates probably are calling and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: complaining now.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they should be, right?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, Don Kelly didn't get ejected. How Chris Sale
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: didn't get ejected, I still haven't figured it out.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: He got ejected the next day.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Which was awesome. That was awesome.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I hope Ashcraft gets ejected.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Today? Yeah. Before the first pitch?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Screw you guys.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Then they would have to do– you know what? Honestly,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: then they'd have to do something about it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: If guys keep getting this call and then they have
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to get– they keep getting ejected before the first pitch,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: MLB would have to say something about it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: We've already reached that point.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. If you're a player, force the league
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: to say something or do something. Not in a bad way.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: This isn't a bad thing. They're not causing problems. They're
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: not causing a fight. But bring attention to it and
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: make the league make a clarification so that every umpire
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is on the same page.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: To me, this is getting petty on the second one
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: in the last two weeks.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It's covering. Oh, it happened last time. I want to
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: do it again. Yeah. It's... It's the Joe West called
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a balk. Remember Joe West called the balk on Mark Burley.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Next time we had him, Angel Hernandez called the balk.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Just to show our solidarity. I'm going to do it
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: again just to show everyone that I know the rule book.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It's silly.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It is dumb.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's that and the same thing with just
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: having a plan down on when someone can challenge a pitch.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's also asinine.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yes. But to me, that's why we still have this segment.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, just make it reasonable with the challenges.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: You would hope that a professional umpire just does what
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: everyone else does and doesn't say, you know, I'm going
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to be the one guy that's going to do this differently.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: This is in the book. I'm standing for it. Nobody
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: else is doing it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Really? Hey, everyone's there to watch him.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Right. This was the tweet that I referred to at
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the top of the show. We found it. The Red
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Sox are in the same spot now as they were
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: last year. This is coming from Tim Healy, who covers
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the team. Would you rather, A, get the number two
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: wild card and visit Yankees in the first round, or B,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: get the number three wild card and visit the AL
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: West winner in the first round? And he said in parentheses,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: of course you get the top wild card, you host,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: but that's not the question here. A or B? I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: know that there's a huge gap and it's not going
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to happen, but if it was a small gap.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, you probably wouldn't mind traveling to Texas
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: or Houston, whoever wins the AL West, right?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, if it's Seattle, it's a little bit different
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: because that's a hell of a hike from Boston to Seattle.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: The Rangers win the AL West. Wouldn't you rather play
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: them than the Yankees?
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: But you get DeGrom and Ivaldi and McKenzie Cole.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: True.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: In a three-game series. I'm just saying.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Rather play the Astros or the Yankees.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Or versus Schlittler, Cole, and Freed, Rondon, whoever the three
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of the Yankees run out there in Yankee Stadium. Tough choice.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I would look at the Red Sox and the Yankees.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: They both play better on the road. Now I know
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: the Red Sox sucked at home at the beginning of
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: the season, but their records are better both on the road.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: So maybe they just want to keep it. Maybe the
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Red Sox want to keep it the same and go
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: into Yankee Stadium. Either way, they got a gauntlet of
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: two pitchers to face, whoever they have to face, Mariners, Rangers,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: or Yankees.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: The top two in those rotations, top three in some, foof. Meanwhile,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the White Sox are just sitting back going.
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• 28:12
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to this beef. And also, if
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you did have someone's pitches, the pitcher's tipping and you're
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: standing in your box and Should you be relaying what
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you see?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yes. To hitters? Yes.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's an important first question here to determine.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: One million percent.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So then what's wrong with relaying that? We don't even
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: have to know if it was actually happening with Quinton
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Berry or not. But let's run the sound from Merrill Kelly,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: who did not appreciate it and thinks it's against the rules.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: If it's a guy on.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Second base and they see the grip in your glove
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: or if the hitters can see something that you're doing
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: with your..
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Glove, you know, I think that's fair game.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I think guys have been doing that since the beginning
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: of baseball. Um, I think it's a little bush league
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: when it comes from outside that I think inside the
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: lines is one thing. I think the guys that are
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: standing outside the lines, um, I think it's a little,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little bush league. Um, that being said,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I got to take a look at what I'm doing. Um,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: cause clearly he had something. Um, and obviously if he
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: has it, then other people will probably pick up on
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: it as well. Um, So I've got to figure out
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: and do better on my part to not give it away. But, yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I think it should stay between the players.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Does it violate the Bush League laws like he said?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: No. No, no.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: What's the point of the coach? No.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: If the coach can see something, then. you need to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: fix it. Like the Cubs were saying, fix it. Okay,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: guess what? You know what the Cubs just did? A favor.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Because now you know. And now you can fix it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is he was doing, now you can fix it. Now,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: teams used to be a little more subtle about stuff.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Now they just do it blatantly. They don't even hide
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: it anymore. Because, again, nobody will throw at anybody. Nobody
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: wants to fight. Cause they're going to get fine. So
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: they don't want to fight. They don't want to, they
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: don't want to do this. They just say, okay, you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I got to fix it. But the Cubs did him
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: a favor. If he's really tipping his change up and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the third base coach can see it by standing in
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the box. And you know what? Fix it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: QB was Quentin Berry was very, I felt like he
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: was very discreet about it. And you know, he just,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: he had both his hands. I can't do it cause
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: I'm on TV, but it is both his hands down
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: to the side. And he was just like, with his
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: left hand. That was what they were surmising that he
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: was doing. That was the video that I saw. Now,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: if the third base coach is getting something from the dugout,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: maybe I can get on the side of Merrill Kelly here.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: But I feel like he's not way down left field
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: seeing something. It's not the first base coach out of
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: the box. They have rules now, so... I don't agree
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: with Merrill Kelly that it was Bush League.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Can we show that photo, too? The screenshot. And I
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: think this is just a fan who was pointing this out,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: but the tweet got some pickup. The fan said, this
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: picture has everything. Merrill Kelly staring down the Cubs third
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: base coach for half an inning. And Michael Srook at
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the game, even though he's on the injured list. I
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: was like, can we get Jeff Bannister to... hit up
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the casino and go pick up Quintel Marte, buy a shirt,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and bring him to the seat next to Mike Soroka. Hey,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: we still have a season going on.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I love that Soroka's there.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Of course he's there.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: And also, a lot of guys do this. A lot
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of guys are still there, especially in Arizona where everything's there, right?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I would be there. What else you got to do?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Are you part of the team?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Do you care about your team's season?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I always thought I did. You're there. 100%, I'm there.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: But I'm not..
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: It's never gone through... It's never gone through my head
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: to not be there. But staying on the topic of
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: the sign stealing and everything, like, where is the line?
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: The line is drawn by whoever draws the line. If
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Merrill Kelly thought it was Bush League, just like some
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: pitchers are like, that's Bush League.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: You're butting on me. Don't bunt on me. Like..
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Why is Bunting Bushley? Well, if you bunt on me,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I'm going to hit the next guy. That's how it's policed.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: So the line is really like you can draw the
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: line wherever you want. If Merrill Kelly really had a problem,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: maybe he should have hit somebody. They don't do that anymore, Krauts.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: How many times do I got to say that? Guys,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: don't throw at anybody anymore. Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: They're not allowed to police themselves.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And there's a guy who just went in the Hall
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: of Fame that was known if you bunted on him,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: he would hit you the next pitch. He's a big
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: left-handed pitcher. He just went in the Hall of Fame.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: If you bunted on him, he'd hit you the next
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: time up. So they stopped bunting on him. Do you
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: know who I'm talking about?
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Or?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, CeCe. Yeah, it was a known fact. If you
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: bunt on him, especially early in his career, he was
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: going to hit you because he had to get off
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the mound and he wasn't great at fielding it. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: then he'd yell at you if you bunted and then
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: he'd hit you.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: That's Bush's league.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That's what he did. I'm not saying nothing. That's what
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: he did. That was his thing. It was known around
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the league. But then think about it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: As a player, if you're afraid of getting hit, that
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: eliminates two base runners. So it's smart by him. It's
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: definitely helpful for you.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: But also as a team, you bunt. He doesn't field
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: it well. You get on.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Now he hits the next guy. If he's known to
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: do that and he hits the next guy, you got two.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: No, he wouldn't hit the next guy. He would hit you. Oh,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: he'd hit you the next time up. I got you. Yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't hit the next guy. He would hit you.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: So on base percentage, twice. I just think– I don't
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: think it's Bush League from the coach, but.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: If he's standing in the box and he's doing it
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and he can see something, he did you a favor,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Merrill Kelly, because now he can fix it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's having a tough year, Kelly. He's got
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a five-and-a-half-ish ERA. He's not pitching well in August. But
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: if you polled all Major League Baseball players– the majority
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: would say it's okay?
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Nobody's stopping it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: How do you even stop it? You'd have to take
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the base coaches off. You can't say like, I mean,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: there's way too many signs and ways that you can
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: give a sign if you're a base coach. How would
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you police it? You can't police it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you police it because you do what we said.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You throw at a guy. You hit a guy and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you say that's for him giving a sign. It's like
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: when the guy's at second base jumping around like a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: crazy person. You hit a guy, or you get a
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: curveball grip in your glove, and you let him tell
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the guy it's a curveball, and then you throw a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: heater up and in. Do you think a guy's giving signs?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: You go out to the mound, and you say, okay,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: second pitch, I'm going to put down a curveball. First
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: pitch is no sign. We'll figure out your pitch, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: then the second pitch, you say, all right, I'm going
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to put down a curveball, and you buzz the guy's tower.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And you know what it did? It stopped that dude
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: at second base because the guy hitting was pissed at
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the guy at second base for telling him the wrong sign.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And it scares the bejesus out of you. Trust me.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: You think a pitch is coming? You have sold out
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: to that? Watch when catchers try to, like, hey, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: got crossed up. That's why catchers are like, hey, imagine
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: hitting and you're like, oh, this is a curveball. I'm
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: just going to stand in here, not flinch, and this ball–
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: goes right in the holler underneath your neck. But one
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: of the things that Merrill Kelly said after the game,
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: he said, yeah, we thought he was doing it with lefties.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: So something, you know, signaling lefties. So I went back
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: and looked.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: He gave up two extra base hits to Ramirez and
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Conforto versus Kelly in the game. Is that enough to
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: say they had something? Ian Happ didn't have an extra
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: base hit. Now they had hits, but..
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Was that enough?
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: To me, Merrill Kelly had one of his better outings
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: as far as earned runs allowed, but you just base
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: it on what's happening, what kind of takes these guys
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: are having compared to what they normally have, and it
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: all checked out for the Diamondbacks, and that's why they
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: were pissed. But we just had Patrick Mooney on. There's
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: a reason Alex Bregman is always in the playoffs. He
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: brings an intangible that maybe he was with another organization.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: And he faced Merrill Kelly and said, Hey, we had
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: some of them, Merrill Kelly, Quentin Berry. This is what
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: we had. See if you can see if you can
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: fix it. This is what Alex core. I mean, Alex,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: everybody knows like the like main guys who are really,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: really good at sign stealing and picking up tells. And
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: I think Alex Bregman is one of those guys from
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: what I've heard. And the little bit that I've, that
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I've seen, he's very good at that. And, That helps
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: hitters everywhere.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: One other piece of the Diamondbacks puzzle we'll get to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: in a moment is Tori Lavello's sound. But before that,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: just a reminder to everyone, if you like what you're watching,
• 37:14
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• 37:14
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• 37:21
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• 37:22
  Speaker 2: We're trying to.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: To create the softest space for him to reemerge back
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: into this environment. And that's up to him however he
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: wants to do it. I cannot force a human being
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: to do something that I want to do or anybody
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: in this room wants to do or a fan wants
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: to do. One of the things that made Cattell such
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: an extraordinary player is that he goes to the beat
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: of his own drum.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And I respect that. And I don't know..
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Some of the answers to that question because I've talked
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: to just about every player, and I know.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: How they feel, but it's a very individualized situation.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: How are you taking this day by day, and what
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: are you willing to do to help is the mindset
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: in that clubhouse. With Cattell, he's very private, and he's
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: very quiet, and it's hard to extract information from him.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: That's Torrey Lovello, Diamondbacks manager, about the ball game.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: There's something you can do. You can bench him. Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: But he knows it's not going to happen because Torrey
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: just said it. It's too important to the team. Right. So,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can suspend him, but they're not going
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Because Torrey Lovello just said it. He's too important to
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: the team. You know who knows that? Cattell Marte.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: They tried to restrict and list him.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And he went on the IL, and now he's at
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: casinos on a game night.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: He's very private. Okay? He's private. Cool. Tell us where
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you were.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: He's not that private.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: He's ripping roulette. I'm sorry. That's the thing about, listen,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I played for Torrey as a coach. Nice guy. Really,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: really cares. You know, he's very positive.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: People person.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: People person. You know, but kumbaya, whatever you want to say.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But there are times where you just need to say, hey, Cattell,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: we need to know where you're at and you need
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to have a meeting with the team. And then you
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: know what you say to the media? Cattell told the team,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and then you know what his teammates will say? Hey,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: it's between us. This is how it should go. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: then teammates can say, hey, it's between us. And it's
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: up to Cattell to say what he did, but at
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: least he told us and we're okay with it. But
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to just say, oh, we're going to give him a
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: smooth entrance back because he's one of your best players.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Corbin Carroll ain't missing. Corbin Carroll broke his handmate and
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the next day had surgery. He's out there throwing the
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: med ball against the wall. Where's Nolan Arnauto right now?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Nolan Arnauto was the guy who had to play and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: be banged up because Cattell Marte didn't show up. This
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't just affect you. It affects other guys on your team.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: We're looking at the week here thanks to SeatGeek. Now
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I want to see Cubs Diamondbacks. Someone might want to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: grab a ticket there for at least a series that
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: has a higher percentage chance of some beef than other series.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: No.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Nothing will happen.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: No.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Guys don't do that anymore. Guys don't do that anymore.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: They don't, they don't retaliate. They don't, I don't care.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: You know, Jeff Bannister, you know, Tory Lovello. I know
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: they're a little more old school, but they just don't do,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: guys don't do this anymore. They don't throw at guys anymore.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: It's very rare when a guy gets thrown at.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Jeff Bannister would fight.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Jeff Bannister was like in the Marines or something. He
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: used to do like those Marine workouts with his team.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: I remember.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Wasn't he in the Marines? He was in something.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: That's more of his Pirates player development background where they
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: used to jump in the sand and all that stuff.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Banny's a strong dude. I get it. He was the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: one yelling at Flaherty. And Flaherty wasn't yelling, we're not
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: doing anything. Flaherty was yelling at him, fix it. You
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: know what?
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: If you think we're changing or we're sending signs, fix it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: So Yeah, that's a good series to go to. But,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Just go and seek geek.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: And you can't, like, this is going to be the
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Red Sox-Yankees series. Red Sox think they can catch the
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Yankees and get home field advantage for the playoffs? That's
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: where you got to be.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Get on there.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: No, but tonight it is the Braves. Braves-Dodgers. Glass now returning.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Bryce Elder, they need him to pitch well. I mean,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: can the Braves catch the Dodgers or the Brewers for
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the bye? That's the series right now is that the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: one that matters tonight.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: That's a hot race. Red Sox are finishing up. They'll
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: keep going for a couple days against the Marlins. And
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: the Yankees are taking on the Astros this week before Yankees.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Red Sox over the weekend. By the way, for Cubs
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Diamondbacks the next couple days, the Tuesday night matchup is
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Clay Holmes, newbie to the Cubs, and Brandon Fott, while
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: it's Eduardo Rodriguez and Matthew Boyd.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: On Wednesday afternoon. He's been really good. He's sneaky good
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 42:14
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• 42:27
  Speaker 1: use it tonight. You can use it tomorrow. You can
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: use it in a week. Hey, we've been so busy
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the last couple days. We didn't do a full-fledged injury suck,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: but Andy Pahis could miss a good chunk of time
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: there for the Dodgers. Yeah, that sucks. That's a bad loss.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I know it's the Dodgers, but it's real.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Still a big loss. He's been good for them this year.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: He's been really good. He was not good in the
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: playoffs for them last year until the catch.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: You know what he did? He made the catch, and
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: they still won. So he did the one thing they
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: needed him to do in that series. He made that
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: one catch.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens with him. And Otani's working
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: his way back. Could be really soon. Yeah. So just
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: some injury updates. Casey Mize fell down a stair.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Did you see the frustration on his face, dude? He
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: was so frustrated.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because, well, then all of a sudden he's on
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the mound. He's throwing like 88 on a sinker. And
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: they're like, all right, dude, what's going on?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he tripped. He rolled his ankle. So that happens.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: What else? Jack Peterson got ejected yesterday for arguing the
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: ABS thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yep. That's going to be fun in the playoffs when
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: someone challenges and the ump goes, nope, too slow. It's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: like the guy that does a pie down low too slow.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: You're going to have some ump do that and then
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the world's going to end for 24 hours.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Or when they call a balk. Or if they call
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: a balk.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So many things. Oh, we do have
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: time to run. Oh yeah, I didn't realize we have
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: five minutes. We do have time to run one of
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the Injury territory clips. You know, it surprised us. Do
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: one of the Dodger ones. If you have it. Oh,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you need a second though. One of the Dodger ones,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Otani and Pahis. Let's start with Otani.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: I think they're just going to see where he's comfortable.
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: They're going to say, you know, here's where his workload
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: tells you he can pitch. It's somewhere between zero and
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: 40 and they'll see where he goes. If he goes
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: one inning and 12 pitches, so be it. If he
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: goes 40 pitches and gets through three, four innings, so
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: be it. I don't think they can plan for anything,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: and I think that's going to be the key. I
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: think Dave Roberts and Mark Pryor have so much confidence
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: in this team, in this medical staff, and in each other,
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: that they don't really have to have a plan per se.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: They certainly don't have to put it together and say, one, two, three, four, five.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: and here's the bullpen, and here's the closer, because they're
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: going to mix it up. I wish pitching chaos wasn't
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: already taken. We need to come up with another term
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: for what the Dodgers are going to do.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: It's mix and match. It's puzzle pieces. But Otani, I
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: think getting.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: Him in there this early, maybe a little bit unexpectedly,
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: tells us they're trying to figure out what he can do.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Are they building him up? Are they figuring out if
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: this role works with the rest of things? I think
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: it's the latter. I think they're still trying to figure
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: it out, and they're going to use... you know, the
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: last week of August here and all of September as
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: experimentation ground. They're just going to figure out what they got,
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: see how far they can get it. They'll do a
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: lot of resting and rotation and we'll see what they
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: come up with in October.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Same thing as they've always done. Yeah, that sounds like
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: a rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Whatever they got
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: in October will be out there.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: I think they gave him his shot. I think they
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: gave Otani, we talked about this, they gave Otani a shot.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: Go win a Cy Young. We're going to keep you
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: on a six to seven day pitching rotation thing. If
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: you can get there, and he did his darndest to
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: try to win a Cy Young, and then when it
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: was out of reach, the standard things crop up. We're
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: going to shut you down, lead you back into being 100%
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: for the postseason.
• 46:29
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• 46:33
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  Speaker 1: and Rockies catching prospect Daniel Jackson. He was taken in
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  Speaker 1: this past draft at 37th overall. Do you know that
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  Speaker 1: he was the first catcher in D1 history to exceed
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  Speaker 1: 25 homers and 25 stolen bases?
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  Speaker 2: But he didn't get to 30-30. He wanted to get 30-30.
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  Speaker 2: That was the big thing. He was trying to get
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  Speaker 2: to 30-30. He didn't get there.
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  Speaker 4: But 25-25?
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  Speaker 2: No, 25-25 is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: But he won at 30-30.
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  Speaker 2: But he didn't get there.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, he didn't hit his first home run in high
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  Speaker 1: school until halfway through his senior year.
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  Speaker 2: The Rhino. Isn't his nickname the Rhino?
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  Speaker 1: They said they were calling him in high school a
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  Speaker 1: warning track demon. Well, look, he showed them now.
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  Speaker 2: And then he went to Georgia where it's like 150
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  Speaker 2: feet all around and was hitting bombs.
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  Speaker 1: That's how the demon slays the dragon or whatever. Guest
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  Speaker 1: taking up most of it today. So if you would
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  Speaker 1: like to hear from a future 30-30 catcher, maybe, in
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  Speaker 1: the big leagues, then go for it. You can listen
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  Speaker 1: to him on Hot Sheet. Whether you predicted a home
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  Speaker 1: run or game-saving strikeout, nothing quite feels like a little
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