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KALEIDOSCOPE PBTS: E9 BREATHE | BELIEVE | BECOME · Kaleidoscope - Perspectives Beyond The Surface

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  Yes. Right. How do you want me to introduce you?
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  So I'm a mind expansion coach and inner wealth
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  mentor. And I host two podcasts. The one that
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  I've recently launched, it's Inner Power Out
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  of Prosperity. And the other is Wellness and
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  Beyond, which I co -host with my wife and partner,
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  Julie. Cool. And yeah, that's who I am. I live
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  in Spain. Really? Yeah. I had no idea. How is
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  it living in Spain? Oh, it's really amazing.
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  People are amazing. And the climate is not bad
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  either, you know, compared to the rest of Europe.
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  Yeah. Sure. I mean, where I live, knowing Spanish
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  is a must. Otherwise, it's hard to get by. But
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  otherwise, apart from that, Spanish is not that
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  difficult, you know, to learn. There are a lot
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  of... English words also, you know, rock words
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  that overlap in English as well. Well, listen,
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  let me tell you why my minor in university was
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  Spanish. I don't remember a lick of it. I don't
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  even know how I passed. I remember having one
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  conversation with my professor and she was like,
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  I was doing well, maybe like mid 80s, which is
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  like maybe like a B minus. and I just could not
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  convince her I didn't know what I was doing.
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  Like I wrote papers and I was like, I don't know
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  what I'm saying. And she's like, no, you're good.
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  You're good. And I was like, I don't know. And
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  I just, I think I was bad at it. I don't know.
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  I don't know. I think they just gave it to me.
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  So I don't remember any of my Spanish at all.
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  So, you know, congratulations to you for learning.
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  Thanks. But you know what, frankly, I mean, right
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  when we came here, we took classes. I mean, we
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  didn't know Spanish. We didn't know how to speak
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  Spanish when we arrived here. And so we did start
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  with classes because that was the most obvious
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  thing to do. But to be very frank with you, it
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  was not the classes that actually helped more
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  than was the conversations, the imperfect conversations
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  that we had with the people around. Yeah, that's
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  usually how, I mean, that's how I grasped, you
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  know, my limited Chinese. It was when I first
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  came to China, I loved going to tea shops. And
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  so I would just go into tea shops and just guess.
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  He says limited Chinese. His Chinese is very
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  good. You can read Chinese. I can see it. I can
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  speak better than you, but you can definitely
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  read much better than me. Yeah, I guess so. It's
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  weird that I can't recognize it. In terms of
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  being able to build a language by yourself and
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  gaining autonomy, reading is far more important.
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  But to be fair, I can't read, like, I couldn't
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  read a child's storybook. I can read everyday
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  things, if that makes sense. Like, I can go into
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  grocery stores. Like, I can read ingredients,
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  food, titles of shops. It's really strange. But
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  a book with that abstract kind of thinking, I
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  can't. Can read a children's storybook, but there's
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  no way that I can read ingredients of a recipe,
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  for example. Just different interests, you know?
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  That's it. Apparently. It depends on the use
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  case. Like how much are you using the language?
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  What are you using the language for? Definitely.
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  Like Ruby and I are language teachers essentially,
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  so like we know what to do. I just don't do it.
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  I know how to learn to read. Yeah, I know the
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  secrets of learning a language. I'm just bothered.
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  I have all the tools. They're in the toolbox
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  over there. And I haven't opened it in like weeks.
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  Okay. Tough questions. Honest answers. Oh, the
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  messy truth. Your perspectives. Let's begin.
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  Welcome to Kaleidoscope. So speaking of mind
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  expansion, as the name suggests, mind is what
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  I would just say consciousness. So it's expansion
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  of our consciousness because as a root of it,
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  we are energy, we are consciousness. So it's
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  all about just expanding our awareness to access
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  what lies beyond or what lies within. And to
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  basically access the field or some people like
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  to call it access the Akashic records or some
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  people like to call it accessing the higher mind
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  or deeper level of consciousness or higher or
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  higher self, you know, a lot of names, but to
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  access that essence of who you really are. And
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  that's where it kind of directly connects with
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  my, the other thing that I do actually, it's
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  not like a separation, but I just, since I offer,
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  I have two offerings, I have like two things
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  that I do, but it's, it's an actuality. It's
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  just the same thing. So inner wealth mentor,
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  as the name suggests now, since I said, expanding
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  and accessing your ascents, right? And inner
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  wealth, as the name suggests, is all that you
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  need. The answers, the true wealth is actually
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  within you. And if you want to change what's
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  external to you, if you want to change your experiences
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  in life, if you want to get somewhere, you want
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  to do something, then you have to access that
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  internal wealth. So that's what I do. Mind expansion
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  and inner wealth window. And with these two podcasts,
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  the new one that I just launched, which is Inner
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  Power, Out of Prosperity, again, just suggests
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  that the power is within, the wealth is within.
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  And even to gain out of prosperity, we need to
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  access what's within, we need to align with what's
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  within that directly gets in touch with our purpose.
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  And with basically connecting to that inner self
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  and having more clarity on that level. And so
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  here in this podcast, I invite people who are
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  already at the, they have already had success
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  in life, they have outer prosperity. And then
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  I interview them to basically know their journey,
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  how they dealt with those inner turmoil and all
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  the fears and what all the inner demons that
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  they were facing and how they got themselves
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  to align with what was inside of them. Because
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  you know most of the successful people today
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  that we see and you know influencers and creators
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  They've all had a journey and and most of them
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  have come from a place of struggle where they
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  have been broken including myself and So I feel
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  that that's the most important thing and yeah
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  Our podcast was journey to wellness and beyond
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  before but now we are changing the name and making
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  it wellness and beyond we are rebooting and changing
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  the style of podcasting, we'll be focusing more
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  on interviewing guests. And so Wellness and Beyond,
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  as the name suggests, was actually where I started
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  from, like post pandemic, because I lost my mom
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  to breast cancer. So I always had this question
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  of, why cancer? How can we get to wellness? And
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  that got both me and my wife motivated into studying
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  this. At first, it was unofficial, but then of
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  course, the pandemic caused us to kind of switch
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  in and making it into a career, a profession.
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  And so Wellness and Beyond is about focused on
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  how we can work on the physical body and also
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  as the name Beyond suggests, like the mental,
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  the consciousness, where also the part of my
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  mind expansion gets in. And eventually tapping
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  into things like lucid dreaming tools, I would
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  say, or even things like, you know, remote viewing.
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  the inabilities that we already have. And our
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  goal at the end is just that people wake up to
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  their real power, their inner power, so that
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  they can thrive not just in wellness, but also
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  in prosperity and abundance in life. And really
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  like to understand that even happiness is a state
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  of mind and everything is achievable. And, you
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  know, give the power back into the hands of people.
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  Hello, welcome to Kaleidoscope. My name is Ruby
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  Ray Liu and I am the host of this podcast. I'm
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  also the enemy of all fridges and feared by all
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  snacks. Today, I am joined by, how do I articulate
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  this? Ah yes, my co -host, Luigi. Gee, thanks.
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  Co -host and dear friend Luigi and Arjun... Chabra.
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  Arjun Chabra is a... I'm very honored to have
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  you join us. I'm interested in your story. I
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  read it when you first posted it on Slack in
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  RSS, which is how we connected. Arjun can be
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  found, dear listener, on YouTube at A -R -J -U
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  -N -R -C -H -H. Actually, that is the handle
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  for all of his socials and Instagram. YouTube,
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  and X. Please check him out. Arjun Chh. Arjun,
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  welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having
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  me. It's a pleasure and honor to be here with
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  you. Do you want to take part in our little allegory
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  slash thing? Reminders of who we are. Okay, yeah.
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  I mean, I would love to, but I hope that you
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  all go first because... Okay. I'm feared by all
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  snacks. Luigi. Welcome. Joining us from Canada
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  today. Yeah, the Great White North. One time.
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  One time thing. Well, who knows? Anyway, I'm
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  Luigi, future scrap collector. Why? Why? What
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  scrap are you going to collect? Tin. Tin? I've
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  been reading a book about the history of Japan
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  after the war. It's really fascinating. And a
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  part that built the economy was they would collect
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  the tin from the occupying American soldiers
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  and they would they would recycle it into toys
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  for sale. And that's how they kind of saved their
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  economy. You're saying that the Japanese economy
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  is built on scrap metal. The toy industry yeah
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  and those toys were taken from like the the thrown
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  away tin cans yeah. Wow that is that's impressive
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  I did not know that. It's really really fascinating
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  anyway. I'm going to welcome you one more time.
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  Harjit, welcome to the show. Thank you so much.
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  Sorry, we were getting out in between, so I didn't
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  quite catch what was happening. I'm saying, do
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  you want to say something about yourself? Yeah,
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  in terms of like funny or just who I am? Let's
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  go for funny. Well, you can call me. Oh, and
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  the silent underdog. I don't know what to say.
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  The silent underdog, why would you describe yourself
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  that way? It's funny because, you know, generally
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  it's like underdog is someone who opposes, right?
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  Trying to always go against the conventional
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  way of doing things. But I do that, but I do
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  it really silently, not out loud. So I am, I
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  like, it's not like I like to always oppose,
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  but knowing that the kind of society we live
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  in, I definitely like to... I have my own ways
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  of opposing and keeping my point and, you know,
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  trying to bring out the truth and hopefully justice
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  to as many as I can, including myself. Okay.
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  So Arjun, the underdog that assassinates basically.
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  Silent and deadly. Like a ninja. The ninja underdog.
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  That's the ninja underdog. Arjun, the way Kaleidoscope
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  works is Each of us shares a perspective or idea,
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  and then the other two kind of delves into that
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  for a little bit, and we see where the conversation
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  goes. And then after that, we change it, yeah?
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  In no particular order today, would you like
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  to go first? All right. Do we do that to the
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  guests? We usually make them go first? No, yeah,
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  normally, normally I do. All I know is I always
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  go last. You may go last. Arjen, would you like
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  me to share your topic or would you like to introduce
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  it? You please feel free and I'll definitely
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  just join in. Yeah, please do. Okay. So today,
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  you sent to me on the 26th of July. I'd love
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  to share my perspective and journey in relation
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  to achieving clarity and purpose that helps cultivating
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  peace and prosperity. in life which directly
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  ties into physical wellness. In short, how everything
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  is connected. I thought that was beautiful because
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  I really like the fact that everything is intersectional.
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  We don't live linearly. We live in Venn diagrams
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  of cause and effect. Absolutely. You know, the
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  very first thing as children that we are always
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  taught or the kind of perspective that you're
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  given is to always look at things separately.
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  You know, we have separate subjects and archaeology
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  never mixes with geology, you know, and even
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  in biology or, you know, let's say the conventional
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  system, I wouldn't really go too much in depth
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  about it because, you know, it's something like
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  that easily can get taken down these days. everything
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  is looked at separately, right? There's a cardiologist
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  and there's another doctor who looks at the brain
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  and there's another guy who like, you know, does
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  the kidneys, et cetera, et cetera. So everything
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  is always so separate. And the more I have, I,
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  of course, I started delving into all of these
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  things from the perspective of wellness and health.
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  And now today I'm at a point where, where I realize
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  after starting even functional medicine and reading
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  a ton of other books and doing this and that,
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  it's been a crazy journey for me. that it's not
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  just the body that's connected together. We are
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  connected not just to each other, but even the
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  cosmos. And in fact, even our emotions are tied
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  into our wellness. And even our outer prosperity
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  is also tied into our own emotions and wellness
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  and our state of mind. And you know, it's dictated
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  by the nervous system. So it's, you know, like
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  what I'm trying to say is everything is so interconnected.
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  Like in the beginning, the reason also why I
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  got into inner power out of prosperity, like
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  inner wealth coaching and mind expansion and
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  all that, because I realized that why are people
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  not getting well? You know, we have been using
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  different herbs, supplements and, you know, different
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  approaches, like what we learned in function
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  medicine and holistic wellness, but still people
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  are just at the edge. One step out of line, chaos.
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  So what's happening over here? And then of course.
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  People are not right at the right point. People
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  are not there yet mentally. Maybe they have issues
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  they are dealing with or maybe they don't have
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  prosperity in life. They don't have abundance
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  in life. Maybe they live in fear of certain things.
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  And again, our brain or our mind is not functioning
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  based on what it sees in the outer world. It's
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  functioning based on what we think is real in
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  our mind. Right? And so everything is so tied
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  together that if we need out -of -abundance,
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  we need inner peace and even if we need wellness
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  in our own physical body, we also, again, inner
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  peace ties into the regulation of the nervous
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  system and that's when our... biochemistry is,
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  you know, it can get back to its default state
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  the way it's supposed to be, not us always being
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  in that fight or flight survival mode and that
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  wrecks havoc. And then most of us find ourselves
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  in a place where we are, you know, suffering
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  from many problems, issues and diseases. And
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  I think a lot of us... are trying to seek out
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  the answers external to us and trying to solve
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  this problem and that problem and maybe this
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  is different or that is different or only to
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  realize that everything is interconnected and
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  it all starts from the head. It all starts from
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  what we think and what we feel and what's inside
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  and while also respecting what's outside. And
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  there are like people fighting over perspectives
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  and tools, or this tool and this modality is
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  better, or that is better, or I am right, or
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  you are wrong, just to realize that everything
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  is just different perspectives. You know, we
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  all are looking at different sides of the same
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  coin, the same box, whatever you like to call
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  it. So are all these perspectives like tools
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  and they are all legitimate tools for finding
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  a way? Or is there just one? How would put it
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  is like, like wherever, like we all want to get
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  to that one point in our life where we are not
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  just physically well, but we are prosper and
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  abundant and happy and all of those things, right?
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  So let's say that goal is on top of a mountain.
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  And that's just one point. The peak is, it's
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  just a peak, right? It's just one point. And
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  then there's, there are the slopes and there
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  are the different terrains around it that make
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  that mountain. And then we can take any path.
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  So it's the journey, what journey are we taking?
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  And let's say how we feel, what we think, and
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  what modalities and techniques we plan to use,
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  whether it's getting well, you know, physically
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  well, or it's something that can be mentally
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  support us or something that we use internally
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  to grow like our consciousness or expand our
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  consciousness. And we use different modalities,
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  techniques, basically, it's based on our belief
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  systems. And then we try all try to climb the
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  same mountain. And just to realize that we all
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  are going to get to the same point and it doesn't
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  matter what tool we use, they all are valid.
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  They all are valid at different points. Like
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  for example, you can't even climb the whole mountain
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  just using one tool. A lot of people also make
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  that mistake of thinking that, for example, only
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  the conventional medical system can help. or
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  only the holistic wellness system can help. But
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  when there's an acute situation, you need the
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  conventional system. And when it's a chronic
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  issue or illness, then you need to take different
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  steps which are more aligned with the holistic
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  wellness system. And so there's no one right
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  answer. And based on our situations, we need
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  to use different tools. Basically, we need to
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  be more open and flexible. And the more accepting
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  we are and the more we are ready to let go and
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  be not stubborn, not too adamant on our ways
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  and our way of thinking, the better it is for
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  us and the faster we can climb the mountain.
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  Yeah. No, I like that. It's like a bricolage
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  of self -care. And I think that is, yeah, I think
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  that's the best strategy personally. I think
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  it almost becomes kind of political when people
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  limit themselves on the best avenue for something.
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  Like, you know... just, let's say, just, you
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  know, Western medicine versus some other form,
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  things like that. Because obviously, you know,
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  the joy of being human, I think, is, or at least
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  being a part of humanity and civilization, is
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  that everyone has, or at least society has been
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  broken down into a kind of mode of expertise.
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  And it seems really limiting. But the paradox,
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  I think, is that It is what advances humanity
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  so quickly. And it's when we use all of those,
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  you know, tools, for example, like you can go
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  to an osteopath, you can go to a physical therapist
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  for many issues, and then you go to a dietician
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  for other dietary issues. So yeah, and the issues,
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  the things that happen or the challenges that
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  arise are when people limit themselves You know,
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  oh, I'm only going to eat holistic food or things
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  like that. What's the fun in life if we are always
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  trying to be perfect, right? Definitely. Yeah.
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  Tell me about it. Do we think that there is value
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  in the like compartmentalization and specialization?
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  The thing that I'm sitting with is at the beginning
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  of the conversation you said The first thing
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  we're taught as kids is that everything has a
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  time and place, kind of, right? So we have subjects
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  and then we have professions. So, but obviously
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  those professions, those skills, they have inherent
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  value, like specialization is important, right?
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  It's important, but at the same time, we also
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  need to leave space for bridging them, right?
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  For connecting them. Because a lot of times it's
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  like... I am in isolation, but I want to be in
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  isolation. It's just like, you know, our lives.
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  We need time for ourselves also, right? We need
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  our time of being with our thoughts and ourselves.
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  We need our isolate. You know, we want to be
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  by ourselves and there are times we want to spend
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  with others and being community. There's always
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  has to be a balance. So there's nothing wrong
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  with specialization, but there has to be also
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  points of connection that have to be left on
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  the table. Absolutely, right? Open -mindedness.
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  Balance. Exactly. And that's what's absent in
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  our society. Sometimes, you know, people are
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  so adamant, they just don't want to think outside
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  the box. They don't stick with what they have
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  taught. So, look, I don't want to make this political,
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  but I do have to say this one thing. You can
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  make it political. It's strange. It is very strange
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  that countries have had to make laws for diversity,
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  equity and inclusion. Why isn't that the default?
• 22:39
  Like, why doesn't that just exist within our
• 22:42
  society by default? To me, that's kind of a concerning
• 22:47
  factor. Sorry to cut you off, Ruby. No, no, please
• 22:52
  go ahead. I think that happens because, maybe
• 22:54
  I'm going to sound really arrogant when I say
• 22:56
  this, but I think that happens because a lot
• 22:59
  of, you know, the majority of society, perhaps,
• 23:03
  when those laws were created, weren't educated,
• 23:06
  weren't taught certain methods of thinking. you
• 23:09
  know, weren't critical thinkers. It was just
• 23:11
  really regimented and, well, like we're saying.
• 23:14
  So, a lot of the kind of disaster happened. Does
• 23:17
  that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just,
• 23:20
  I'm laughing because how did it, like, the majority
• 23:24
  of people were not educated enough to be able
• 23:26
  to think critically about this, but now we look
• 23:29
  at the states and we have an active rollback
• 23:32
  of DEI and that, that baffles me. Okay, but,
• 23:35
  okay, fair enough. But how many? If we look at
• 23:39
  the statistics, how many Americans are educated?
• 23:44
  Yeah, I know. That's the concern. That's why
• 23:47
  I'm laughing. That's terrifying that we have
• 23:49
  the richest nation in the world that is actively...
• 23:53
  I always knew this is going to sound bad, but
• 23:56
  it's a legacy of this exact system of... of oppression
• 24:00
  and compartmentalization and not sharing that
• 24:04
  resulted in the majority of the South African
• 24:06
  population being left in poverty and being uneducated,
• 24:10
  right? Yeah. So they're not even able to engage.
• 24:14
  I always knew that. But maybe I'm ignorant here.
• 24:17
  I never, never, never knew that about. I mean,
• 24:22
  there was a point in my life where I started
• 24:24
  realizing that the Deep South has a problem with
• 24:27
  education, but I never thought that it would
• 24:29
  be so systemic to the point where we are now.
• 24:33
  And kind of to bring it back to the podcast,
• 24:37
  Arjun, how would you say that that is connected
• 24:40
  to inner wealth? Exactly. You know, as Luigi
• 24:47
  pointed out, it was, it was, yeah, sure, not
• 24:49
  being educated was one factor. But at the same
• 24:52
  time, the most biggest factor of all was also
• 24:55
  giving away our inner power to someone else,
• 24:57
  an external authority, a group of people who
• 25:00
  decided what's right and what's wrong for you.
• 25:03
  And then people blindly followed. Why did they
• 25:06
  follow? Because they thought they weren't good
• 25:08
  enough or there were certain aspects of the society
• 25:10
  that I wouldn't want to say. which we all know
• 25:13
  about, you know, people going to... I mean, I
• 25:18
  don't want to make it too controversial, so I'm
• 25:19
  not going to say the word, but, you know, it's
• 25:23
  connected to worship, right? And they have always
• 25:28
  kind of been connected with, you know, the political
• 25:31
  systems and other systems, and they have always
• 25:33
  dictated what's right for the people. and what
• 25:36
  should be taught, what should not be taught.
• 25:39
  And then again, people gave away their power.
• 25:41
  If everyone is standing in their power, who has
• 25:43
  the right to tell people what is right and what
• 25:45
  is wrong, except the people themselves deciding.
• 25:48
  So we all blindfolded ourselves and we went on
• 25:51
  with whatever is taught to us. But I'm glad that
• 25:55
  at least today we are in a place in our society
• 25:58
  where there is a revolt there's a revolution
• 26:02
  where people are waking up where people are saying
• 26:04
  hey that's not good like people are speaking
• 26:06
  out you know we are i feel we are growing and
• 26:10
  i like to see or i like to believe the future
• 26:13
  has been a much brighter one for all of us for
• 26:16
  humanity because i see us getting there i compare
• 26:20
  arch day to 200 years ago sure not everything's
• 26:22
  perfect but it's definitely better i mean you
• 26:26
  we couldn't have spoken about these things 200
• 26:28
  years ago No, we wouldn't have known that the
• 26:31
  three of us existed. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
• 26:36
  that's very interesting. Also, there's another
• 26:38
  thing I would like to, like a spiritual perspective
• 26:40
  I can throw in over here. By all means. Earth
• 26:44
  is a school. I mean, I have, you know, in mind
• 26:47
  expansion sessions, what happens is, you know,
• 26:49
  sometimes people talk to their future selves,
• 26:51
  sometimes they communicate with their higher
• 26:53
  selves, sometimes they communicate with their
• 26:54
  parallel selves, parallel selves, or sometimes
• 26:57
  they... communicate with their past selves. Which
• 27:01
  is just an indication that there are like Earth
• 27:05
  is a school and this is not home, a permanent
• 27:09
  home. We are here to get educated, to have experiences
• 27:12
  and then we graduate, right? And then we are
• 27:16
  on holiday until we start again and bumping up
• 27:18
  the level one step further. I've heard this theory
• 27:21
  before, like, before you said it now, you mentioned
• 27:24
  it in school. I would have defined it as spiritual
• 27:27
  maturity. I have heard it too. Yeah, in terms
• 27:32
  of spirituality. Yeah. So, I mean, I have come
• 27:36
  across, even my own self, I have seen past lives.
• 27:39
  And whenever we ask the higher self, people never
• 27:42
  come, you know, for mind expansion, people never
• 27:44
  come because they want to see their past or see
• 27:46
  their future, whatever. They come with a problem.
• 27:48
  I have this problem, I don't know how to solve
• 27:50
  it or I'm anxious or I'm fearful, what should
• 27:53
  I do? And they want answers, they can't find
• 27:56
  answers, right? So you go inside, you expand
• 27:58
  your consciousness, but everything is inside.
• 28:02
  How do you do that? How do you go inside and
• 28:06
  expand your consciousness to the point where
• 28:08
  you could speak to future, past or parallel self?
• 28:11
  Yeah, sure, I'd be happy to tell you. So the
• 28:13
  first thing you do that we don't do in today's
• 28:15
  society, is to first sit within ourselves, sit
• 28:19
  with us, be in the present moment, be grounded
• 28:21
  and not get carried away by what had happened
• 28:25
  in the past or what will happen in the future.
• 28:28
  By just being present for yourself, present in
• 28:30
  the place where you are, just being present.
• 28:34
  And slowly as you are spending more and more
• 28:36
  time with yourself, you start So this is what
• 28:40
  I'm trying to explain right now is something
• 28:41
  you can do by yourself as well without having
• 28:44
  like a mind expansion session. And then I'll
• 28:46
  get to what I do in a mind expansion session.
• 28:48
  All right. So we are always connected to a higher
• 28:52
  self. We are always connected. We are the essence,
• 28:54
  right? So it's all about being aware of it. And
• 28:58
  how do you be aware of it? So step one, like
• 29:00
  I say, is first being in the present moment.
• 29:02
  And then second step as you continue to do so.
• 29:06
  You slowly start not paying too much of attention.
• 29:09
  You don't stop your thoughts. You know, sometimes
• 29:11
  even I used to think meditation is about trying
• 29:13
  to stop your thoughts, but you can never do that.
• 29:16
  As long as a person is physically alive, it's
• 29:18
  not possible. So you just don't engage with your
• 29:22
  thoughts. And eventually there comes a point
• 29:25
  and during one of the sessions, you know, one
• 29:28
  of our beings guided me by telling me that when
• 29:31
  I am in this state or when anyone is in this
• 29:33
  state, they should just start visualizing themselves
• 29:36
  in their mind's eye with their minds closed,
• 29:40
  standing away and seeing yourself sitting there.
• 29:43
  So in this way, what you do is you separate yourself
• 29:45
  from your ego, from your identity, the identity
• 29:48
  that the society has given you, that you have
• 29:52
  adapted to, that you have accepted for yourself.
• 29:55
  But you're not limited to your identity. You're
• 29:57
  more than your identity. You are a reflection
• 30:02
  of the universe. You're a reflection of all that
• 30:03
  is, that is infinite. You are infinite. Right?
• 30:08
  And so the moment you start doing that, you start
• 30:11
  connecting more and more to your sense and hence
• 30:14
  opens the bridge. You clear out the bridge for
• 30:17
  that connection with your higher self, with the
• 30:19
  universe. And whatever question you sit with,
• 30:23
  at that point in time, there is, I guarantee
• 30:27
  you, 101 % with absolute certainty, you will
• 30:30
  get the answer. Maybe not in the moment, sometimes
• 30:32
  in the moment. But you will definitely get the
• 30:35
  answer in the following hours or days. And that's
• 30:38
  how anyone can start connecting to that part
• 30:42
  of themselves that a sense. And as for what I
• 30:44
  do in the mind expansion session, I first start,
• 30:48
  of course, we we clarify the what the intention
• 30:50
  is, like I say, you know, even when you're sitting,
• 30:52
  you can always have a question you'd like to
• 30:54
  ask, or you always, we always clarify the intention
• 30:57
  of the questions a person has. And then we start
• 31:01
  with the breathing exercises to try and change
• 31:03
  to get to change the brainwave states, you know,
• 31:05
  because now as you're speaking, we are in a low
• 31:08
  beta, medium beta, low alpha, always never in
• 31:13
  one state, we are always like switching, right?
• 31:15
  So we need to get the brainwave state to change
• 31:18
  and go as close to theta as possible, which is
• 31:21
  the state we are in when, you know, we are just
• 31:24
  before falling asleep and just before waking
• 31:25
  up like a dreamlike state or daydream state.
• 31:30
  And some of us find ourselves even bumping up
• 31:33
  into gamma, where you're hyper aware. And that
• 31:35
  happened with me. I was like freaking hyper aware
• 31:38
  of everything. What was happening in the room?
• 31:40
  What was happening in the session? What was happening
• 31:42
  outside of the house? Everything was so clear.
• 31:45
  And, but when I woke up from the session, everything
• 31:47
  felt like it was a daydream. It was a dream.
• 31:50
  I was hyper aware when that was happening. So
• 31:53
  with breathing, and then I like to use Greg Braden's
• 31:58
  What he suggests that you get into an elevated
• 32:01
  state of emotion as even Dr Joe Dispenza speaks
• 32:04
  of. As we get into an elevated state of emotion
• 32:07
  and knowing that the vibration, everything is
• 32:10
  energy and hence everything has vibration. The
• 32:12
  vibration of the divine is love. And for that
• 32:15
  reason, I love the movie Interstellar. It's very
• 32:17
  close to my heart. Love is the most purest, the
• 32:21
  most divine form of emotion, the highest ever
• 32:25
  on the highest vibration. Ruby, you want to say
• 32:28
  something? Yeah. So this whole conversation has
• 32:32
  so many links to our conversation with Diane.
• 32:37
  Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah.
• 32:40
  And so you've touched on resonance and vibration
• 32:44
  and the higher self. Pretty much the only thing
• 32:47
  we've really missed is what spirits are, basically.
• 32:53
  And I'd actually love to engage with you on that.
• 32:55
  But the thing I wanted to ask was, have you read
• 32:58
  The Power of Holy Language? I haven't read the
• 33:00
  book. Okay. Is it a book? It's a book, yeah.
• 33:05
  I have the audio book. I consume books via audio
• 33:10
  because I spend a lot of time in my car. But
• 33:13
  it spoke exactly about this. The vibration of
• 33:17
  the divine is love and acceptance. and flowering
• 33:22
  of everything. So yeah, sorry to interrupt. Carry
• 33:26
  on. Wise. Yeah, absolutely. So that's what it
• 33:29
  is. And the more we can align with that vibration
• 33:31
  before we get into the next steps, the more better
• 33:34
  it is for that connection I feel for everything
• 33:37
  that is to unfold. And once we get the person
• 33:40
  into my client into a higher, you know, emotional,
• 33:44
  like a very emotional state, which is more of
• 33:46
  love and joy. And freedom, that's when we start
• 33:50
  a guided visualization process. Because the mind,
• 33:55
  the imagination or visualization is a bridge
• 33:58
  that connects the higher dimensions or all that
• 34:02
  is the quantum field or the Higgs field or the
• 34:06
  universe, whatever you want to call it, to us,
• 34:10
  wherever we are now. And so through visualization,
• 34:13
  we slowly start shifting or expanding that consciousness.
• 34:16
  into including what we generally don't include
• 34:21
  as we live in the third dimension, which is restricted
• 34:23
  by time and space, to finally expand our consciousness
• 34:27
  and move beyond this limitation where we can
• 34:30
  experience more time, where we can experience
• 34:32
  all the times, all the possibilities, all that
• 34:35
  there is, because that's where the answers lie.
• 34:39
  And it was very interesting. So please go ahead.
• 34:45
  I want to ask, do you think there's a group of
• 34:48
  people who is not able to do this? Are there
• 34:51
  people in an emotional state who will not be
• 34:54
  able to achieve this because of that emotional
• 34:56
  state? I'm thinking of like, for example, depression.
• 34:59
  Are there barriers to entry? First of all, for
• 35:03
  everyone, this is possible. There is no exception
• 35:06
  to this, except, of course, as you said, there
• 35:09
  can be certain emotions. that can prevent the
• 35:12
  person from entering into the state of expanding
• 35:15
  their consciousness, being fear of the process
• 35:19
  itself or what's to unfold, anxiety and anxiety
• 35:23
  around the whole process or maybe anxiety about
• 35:25
  something else. And you know why that is? It's
• 35:30
  tied to our brainwave state. Because if fear,
• 35:33
  anxiety and all these are more relevant to the
• 35:35
  beta brainwave state, And so if you're constantly
• 35:39
  in the beta brainwave state, so I have this,
• 35:42
  I drew this, I created this diagram, which I
• 35:45
  have placed on my website and it's like an iceberg.
• 35:49
  So we are always, and there's a tip of the iceberg
• 35:52
  that's above the water and there's a huge part
• 35:54
  of the iceberg that's below in the ocean, right?
• 35:57
  And you're always only accessing that part, which
• 35:59
  is above the water that you can think of as beta
• 36:04
  alpha. what we are generally like driving, talking,
• 36:07
  sleep, like everything else except sleeping,
• 36:09
  of course. And when we sleep, we drop down, we
• 36:13
  drop down into the ocean and access the most
• 36:16
  lowest point, you know, the Delta. Yeah. But
• 36:19
  then there are other parts that we can access
• 36:22
  them. When we finally, when we start diving down
• 36:24
  into the ocean, we start expanding our consciousness.
• 36:27
  So anything that can prevent a person to shift
• 36:31
  their brainwave state, can actually prevent the
• 36:33
  person from getting into that state. That's exactly
• 36:35
  what I wanted to ask. Yeah. Good. So it's like,
• 36:39
  I'm going to, I'm going to move on to, to, into
• 36:43
  my question, the way that we chose our topics.
• 36:48
  Coincidentally, I think they fit quite well into
• 36:50
  what you were thinking. And my question is, how
• 36:56
  do you think technology, how, how is technology
• 37:00
  related to what you do and how does it integrate
• 37:04
  into our spirituality, our inner wealth and mind
• 37:08
  expansion. I see technology just as another tool,
• 37:12
  right? And again, people are arguing AI is bad.
• 37:15
  Some people say AI is a boon, it's a blessing.
• 37:18
  Again, it's like a tool like a knife. You can
• 37:20
  either kill someone with a knife or you can do
• 37:23
  something fantastic. You can create something
• 37:26
  artistic, right? Or you can do something as basic
• 37:29
  as cutting vegetables. It's up to us. And as
• 37:33
  far as I don't know if you read recently, there
• 37:36
  were some articles about quantum computers that
• 37:41
  they can access other dimensions and other realities
• 37:46
  that is beyond the third dimension or the very
• 37:51
  linear way we think of, you know, it's working
• 37:53
  in a very different way. It's accessing parallel
• 37:57
  realities. It's accessing more than just the
• 38:01
  present time, and which already exists. So it's
• 38:04
  actually accessing all of this. And I feel that
• 38:07
  maybe not changing the topic, but maybe it's
• 38:10
  connected to what you previously sent me, the
• 38:13
  snapshot. Everything has to exist, already exists.
• 38:19
  Everything that is, that will come in the future,
• 38:23
  that has been in the past, that is in the present,
• 38:26
  everything already exists and is still going
• 38:28
  on. We are never creating anything. We are always
• 38:33
  shifting. We are always shifting. We are never
• 38:35
  creating, we are always shifting. But at the
• 38:39
  state that we are in now, we have no idea what
• 38:42
  has already existed, right? But then do you think
• 38:45
  there's a predeterminism or are we able to jump
• 38:49
  between parallel realities? My question really
• 38:51
  is, does freedom and free will exist? Absolutely.
• 38:57
  In your mind. absolutely does especially now
• 39:00
  if we think of from the point of view of our
• 39:03
  ego mind we have i mean we still have freedom
• 39:07
  not to that extent that we think of because our
• 39:10
  soul has already decided and again who is the
• 39:13
  soul it's us it's us that's not packed in a box
• 39:17
  right that's aware of everything so our soul
• 39:21
  has already decided the outcomes or the lessons
• 39:23
  it needs to learn it has already decided the
• 39:26
  experiences it needs to have, it needs, it wants
• 39:30
  to have, right? In the third dimension, like
• 39:33
  in the third dimension on earth, with this ego
• 39:36
  mind, the liberty that we have, the kind of freedom
• 39:39
  that we have is to choose how that unfolds, to
• 39:44
  what extent we experience something like, for
• 39:46
  example, if the soul has decided that it wants
• 39:49
  to experience some disease, right? Of course,
• 39:53
  there will be circumstances created in our lives
• 39:55
  that will cause it, but the way we handle it
• 39:59
  is going to determine to what extent we experience
• 40:02
  it. Is that making sense? Yeah. And it brings
• 40:06
  another question. Go ahead, Ruby. I asked the
• 40:09
  same question to Diane when we spoke to her.
• 40:13
  And my question really is, so you're talking
• 40:17
  about the soul, the soul wanting to experience
• 40:20
  things. And then I'm wondering, so I'm transgender.
• 40:26
  How do you think that relates to everything that
• 40:32
  you've said so far with regards to my soul, my
• 40:36
  higher self, and what I am? Because in my mind,
• 40:40
  it's not even in my mind, it's just fact. I have
• 40:44
  always existed with this personality. This is
• 40:47
  me. And this is more me now than it's ever been
• 40:50
  before because everything was performance based
• 40:53
  on ego. which I transcended. So, what's your
• 40:58
  opinion? So, we all have aspects of ourselves,
• 41:02
  right? The soul has many aspects. You are just
• 41:06
  this one form of you, that groupie ray, is one
• 41:09
  aspect of the soul. It does not define the soul.
• 41:12
  And as souls, we are eternal, right? We are limitless.
• 41:15
  And we experience everything. So that means,
• 41:19
  you or me or anyone else has experienced life
• 41:23
  even as a transgender, as a male, as a female,
• 41:26
  as another alien body, as anything and everything
• 41:29
  you can think of, right? And as we move on a
• 41:32
  higher level and we speak on a higher level,
• 41:35
  what are we? We are an essence of the Divine.
• 41:38
  We are a reflection of the Creator. We are all
• 41:43
  that is experiencing itself in different forms.
• 41:51
  In timelessness, we experience everything in
• 41:54
  the now. That means we cannot go through that
• 41:57
  journey. We cannot have those experiences linearly.
• 42:00
  It's a different experience. You know, experiencing
• 42:02
  everything in the now is so different than experiencing
• 42:05
  something linear, right? It's more enhanced that
• 42:10
  way. So that's the reason why we choose to limit
• 42:12
  ourselves and we have different experiences.
• 42:15
  Okay. We choose to limit ourselves because is
• 42:17
  it too overwhelming for our ego? No. No, no.
• 42:21
  The ego is there as something to just protect
• 42:25
  ourselves. It's not a bad thing. Right. Okay.
• 42:28
  Trying to wrap my head around it. So I had a
• 42:30
  question, but I forgot what it was. And it was
• 42:34
  so poignant. It was about, okay, give me a second.
• 42:37
  You can talk to me. I'm fun. Yeah, talk to Ruby.
• 42:40
  I'll remember it. Oh my goodness. Wait, wait,
• 42:43
  I got it. Okay. Sorry. Speaking of the soul,
• 42:46
  I remembered. So... Like, how do we get our,
• 42:49
  how do we talk to our soul? How do we get to
• 42:54
  know what it wants us to do? You're always, we're
• 42:56
  always being guided as to what to do. We never
• 42:59
  listen to our heart, do we? We never listen to
• 43:02
  our intuition. Well, I certainly don't. That's
• 43:04
  the compass. Yeah, that's the compass. And the
• 43:06
  way to connect more with it. Because remember,
• 43:10
  there's a lot of noise. Now, for example, when
• 43:14
  Ruby was recording without the mic, there was
• 43:17
  other noises along with her. And the way she
• 43:21
  isolated her voice, her voice from all the noise
• 43:25
  that was by, like I said, just being in the present
• 43:29
  moment helps by doing that. The first thing I
• 43:31
  told you, the way to connect with the higher
• 43:33
  self, or you can say the way to intuition higher
• 43:35
  self is the same thing. Or our soul, it's all
• 43:38
  the same thing, higher self, soul. Whatever you
• 43:42
  want to call it, it's all the same. Yeah. Yeah,
• 43:44
  yeah, yeah. And we just need to be present for
• 43:46
  it. I mean, it's just like, um, you know, when
• 43:50
  you talk to someone, you're talking to, like,
• 43:52
  we all are talking to each other. You're present
• 43:54
  for each other. So be present for your soul in
• 43:58
  just the same way. Like, and it's not always
• 44:02
  going to end for different people. They experience
• 44:03
  it in different ways. Like some people. Of course,
• 44:08
  the feeling is always common. We all have a certain
• 44:10
  feeling that I feel good about this. I don't
• 44:13
  feel that great about this. I don't feel too
• 44:15
  excited about this. I'm bored even thinking of
• 44:18
  that. So that's the best compass, right? And
• 44:22
  at the same time, we can also see that the soul
• 44:26
  also, like I said, there are layers of the onion.
• 44:30
  There's a core of the onion and there are different
• 44:32
  layers. Now a lot of people say, I feel really
• 44:35
  excited to eat McDonald's every day. There's
• 44:37
  a lot of noise, like, you know, a person can
• 44:39
  be going through internal noise or external noise.
• 44:43
  Internal noise is created again when we are living
• 44:45
  too much in the beta brainwave state. Too much.
• 44:49
  And why would that happen? Because we are not
• 44:52
  in the present moment. People are generally ruminating
• 44:54
  about what happened in the past, or people are
• 44:57
  generally thinking of what's going to happen
• 44:58
  in the future. We're always either ahead or behind,
• 45:04
  right? And then we're never present and that
• 45:07
  means we're tuning into more than our intuition.
• 45:11
  So we'll never clearly get what our intuition
• 45:13
  is trying to tell us or our soul is trying to
• 45:15
  tell us. And the more and more we practice this
• 45:18
  by just being with our present selves, by listening
• 45:21
  to our present selves, the more we will be very
• 45:24
  clear of what we want and then follow it, not
• 45:26
  just... You know, a lot of people have those
• 45:28
  answers and they don't know, they don't act on
• 45:30
  it. On top of that, this feeling is one very
• 45:34
  common for all of us. Apart from that, answers
• 45:37
  also come to people in the form of knowingness.
• 45:39
  That generally happens with me. Sometimes it
• 45:42
  comes even in the form of the more stronger this
• 45:45
  connection grows, answers or direction come to
• 45:48
  you in the form of images. And, or sometimes
• 45:51
  they even come through, they might feel that
• 45:53
  they heard something, spoken word. Clear audience,
• 45:57
  clear wine house as they call it. That's very
• 45:59
  interesting. So to go back to your McDonald's
• 46:02
  example, just so I understand. So a person who
• 46:06
  wants McDonald's every day, I really want McDonald's.
• 46:08
  So that's not true. They don't really want McDonald's?
• 46:12
  Because if a person is anxious all the time,
• 46:16
  right? They just want to feel void with something.
• 46:20
  Right. Or like a person has, they say, a quote
• 46:23
  -unquote sweet tooth. Again, it taps into what
• 46:26
  emotions they are. And the consciousness, the
• 46:30
  subconscious is trying to protect us, is trying
• 46:32
  to make us feel at comfort, make us try and not
• 46:37
  that we don't go crazy. It's always trying to
• 46:40
  protect us. So, we try to fill in the void with
• 46:43
  things that sometimes are engineered in this
• 46:46
  world that we live in. Right. So that we have
• 46:48
  a kind of sense of satisfaction in a different
• 46:50
  manner. For example, someone who hasn't had love
• 46:53
  all their life in their childhood, and then suddenly
• 46:56
  they feel more attracted to things like binge
• 46:59
  eating. Okay. I'm just saying it's one possibility.
• 47:04
  There can be many possibilities. This is all
• 47:08
  very convincing for me personally. Like I understand
• 47:11
  doing, I understand. Why? Well, hang on. I understand
• 47:16
  the eating McDonald's thing, and I understand,
• 47:18
  like, why people might eat because, you know,
• 47:20
  you know, we hear it in popular culture all the
• 47:22
  time, like, they're feeling a void, blah, blah,
• 47:24
  blah. But it makes sense. Like, we don't want
• 47:25
  to sit with bad emotions. But for the things
• 47:28
  I think a lot personally about, you know, I always
• 47:31
  think about what my motivations are and why I'm
• 47:34
  motivated. And so it, you know, and then Arjun
• 47:37
  says things like maybe it's from your... something
• 47:39
  in your childhood like you didn't receive enough
• 47:40
  love and I'm just thinking personally on some
• 47:42
  level. Maybe that's, I'm not saying I didn't
• 47:44
  receive enough love, but I'm just saying, you
• 47:46
  know, maybe my desire, my desires are actually
• 47:50
  a reflection of something I was lacking in the
• 47:53
  past and I'm tortured by my desires and I want
• 47:55
  them so bad and they give me a lot of misery,
• 47:58
  but maybe I have to just really see what the
• 48:01
  emotion is and then I won't have those desires
• 48:04
  anymore and I'll feel a lot more. Absolutely.
• 48:08
  That's the whole thing about inner wealth. Absolutely.
• 48:11
  I think identifying and knowing yourself to the
• 48:14
  level of understanding why you're feeding something.
• 48:17
  If you don't understand why you are feeding something,
• 48:19
  there's no way you can solve the problem. Unless
• 48:22
  it's by sheer luck, which I don't think is a
• 48:26
  thing in this kind of scenario. That's right.
• 48:29
  And what we do is generally we tend to find help
• 48:32
  externally when that happens. So that's never
• 48:36
  gonna solve the problem. I mean, we have to go
• 48:38
  inside. We need to go inside. Will it solve the
• 48:42
  problem in as much as if you seek help externally,
• 48:45
  that professional, let's say, will give you the
• 48:48
  tools to do the inner work? It's a tool. Right.
• 48:53
  And many times we are given guidance. Like I
• 48:55
  said, nothing is good, nothing is bad. Everything
• 48:59
  has its role. Everything has some or the other
• 49:02
  role. Sure, sometimes... things could be rather
• 49:06
  not doing anything, you know, not helping at
• 49:08
  all. But again, it might be true for someone
• 49:10
  else. Right. Yeah. So it also depends on our
• 49:15
  circumstances, how we deal with it, how we understand
• 49:17
  it, what we do with it or we don't do with it.
• 49:21
  Do we think there'll be a point where technology
• 49:23
  integrates into the ego, the subconscious and
• 49:26
  the higher self? Like I said, there are many,
• 49:30
  many realities. that are already existing and
• 49:33
  unfolding. And there are realities where we are
• 49:37
  one with technology. Some people call it that
• 49:40
  it's a very destructive kind of a future. Then
• 49:44
  there are also realities where technology is
• 49:47
  with us, but as a companion, as a co -creator,
• 49:51
  where it's not taking over our biology. And then
• 49:59
  there's everything within that. you know, in
• 50:02
  between. And believe it or not, what we think
• 50:06
  and what we do, what we don't do, really dictates
• 50:09
  on which reality we will be choosing and going
• 50:12
  on to. And remember, it's not like that one instance
• 50:15
  will change that reality. No. It's every little
• 50:18
  thing you do, every second we are switching,
• 50:20
  we are changing. Every little thing we do, every,
• 50:22
  every, with every little step we take, with every
• 50:24
  little thought we think, with every little thing
• 50:26
  we do or don't do, we are shifting. So we, throughout
• 50:30
  this podcast, we've created hundreds of thousands
• 50:34
  of different realities. We don't create anything,
• 50:37
  everything already exists. They're, okay, well,
• 50:40
  we've jumped hundreds of thousands of realities.
• 50:43
  Okay, yeah. I just want to add to the whole,
• 50:47
  okay, Ruby, so Ruby, what was your last question?
• 50:50
  Say it again, just so I can give my answer to
• 50:53
  that, because I think - Do you think that there
• 50:55
  will be a point where technology integrates into
• 50:58
  us so much that it becomes part of our consciousness
• 51:01
  and our being inseparable. Like that's the whole
• 51:05
  kind of there's a whole science fiction kind
• 51:07
  of aspect of that of like uploading our consciousness
• 51:09
  you know into onto the internet but exactly I
• 51:13
  was thinking of the phone like we're already
• 51:15
  we're already so like it is an extension of ourselves
• 51:19
  we use our phones like they are so intimate intimate
• 51:24
  with us It is a kind of transhumanism. Much of
• 51:32
  me, that's the kaleidoscope logo right there,
• 51:35
  much of me has been offloaded into this thing.
• 51:39
  That is, if I lose this, I would be devastated.
• 51:41
  Thank God for the cloud. I think it's for everyone.
• 51:46
  The boundaries are blurred now between some...
• 51:49
  some technologies we use and our identities.
• 51:52
  And it's so intimate. Now, the challenge happens
• 51:57
  when, let's say, you know, you're afraid of losing
• 52:01
  everything on the cloud. So I think, you know,
• 52:04
  Arjun's work would come in here and sitting with
• 52:07
  yourself and trying to ask yourself, well, is
• 52:09
  that ego? So what if I lost everything in the
• 52:12
  cloud? Do I really need it? Your soul registers
• 52:14
  everything, any which ways. You will lose anything,
• 52:18
  right? But yeah. I mean, it's more the fear.
• 52:21
  It's what emotion we live in. Primarily. I mean,
• 52:24
  we can't always live. We can always be happy,
• 52:26
  go lucky. Sure. We are in fear sometimes. Sometimes
• 52:29
  you're anxious. Sometimes you're happy. But it's
• 52:31
  about what you choose to live in majority of
• 52:33
  the times. So is it a choice? It's always a choice.
• 52:39
  See, you cannot change the situation you're in.
• 52:41
  Yeah. Agree. At least not instantly. I mean,
• 52:45
  if you're already there, I mean, of course you
• 52:48
  can go somewhere from that destination, but given
• 52:50
  the situation you're in, it's not the situation
• 52:52
  that matters, it's how you deal with it that
• 52:54
  matters. What you do with it. Right. Yeah. I
• 52:59
  would agree. Yeah, definitely. Ruby, what are
• 53:01
  you thinking? Thinking, I'm thinking you're right.
• 53:04
  And then I'm thinking, I'm wondering if I would
• 53:07
  want, if I would, if I would want to live in
• 53:11
  the intersection of time. Okay. Wait, let's go.
• 53:16
  That just gave another... I'm conscious, right?
• 53:21
  The conscious self that is me has jumped hundreds
• 53:25
  of thousands of realities in the 50, 60 minutes
• 53:31
  that we've been talking. But myself, my consciousness
• 53:35
  has remained here in this reality and left the
• 53:41
  others behind. Are there others of me? that are
• 53:45
  feeling the same way in other realities? Or is
• 53:49
  this reality? No, you are multi -present. You
• 53:54
  are a presence that you are aware of. It's just
• 53:57
  that because we don't want to go crazy, we have
• 54:00
  chosen to limit ourselves. You're blowing my
• 54:02
  mind. Hold on. I think, Ruby, you're experiencing
• 54:06
  this reality right now. And when you think about,
• 54:11
  when you think it's not, true, it's your ego,
• 54:14
  trying to like buffer against all the other realities.
• 54:17
  So it's like, just let it happen. Don't overthink
• 54:19
  it. Not to overthink it. Then he's absolutely
• 54:22
  right. Luigi is right. You've just got to go
• 54:24
  with the flow. That's what matters at the end.
• 54:27
  Sure. Yeah. No, like I understand. But it's kind
• 54:33
  of an... And it's when we have the expectations
• 54:35
  of how things should be rather than how they
• 54:37
  are that we get all in our heads and we like
• 54:40
  ruminate and things like that. I speak from experience
• 54:43
  and years of therapy. But the reason I ask the
• 54:46
  question is because I have a continuum in my
• 54:50
  mind. But what we're basically trying to say
• 54:54
  is that the soul is split into infinite consciousnesses
• 55:00
  that have infinite continuities from the time
• 55:05
  of gaining consciousness, I suppose. Exactly.
• 55:09
  But at the same time, it's also present. as a
• 55:11
  whole in timelessness, as a whole, not as a whole,
• 55:14
  as a whole. It's a vertical moment for me. You
• 55:21
  know, as humans have given also the limited brains
• 55:25
  and the limited realities we live in, we are
• 55:28
  limited. We have chosen to limit ourselves, right,
• 55:31
  for this experience. But a lot of things we cannot
• 55:34
  even try to comprehend or understand with our
• 55:37
  limited perception. And so at times what happens
• 55:39
  is sure, some things could, you know, the same
• 55:43
  fact that we just discussed could stress some
• 55:45
  people up or could liberate some people, right?
• 55:48
  And what I would just encourage you and all of
• 55:51
  the listeners as well is to just let it liberate
• 55:53
  you and just go with the flow. Just know that
• 55:56
  everything is possible and the power is in your
• 55:58
  hand. That's the entire reason why we discussed
• 56:02
  this, right? Because in the end, it just makes
• 56:05
  you realize that everything exists And where
• 56:08
  you go is your choice. So rise up to your power.
• 56:11
  Don't be afraid. I may have come across as stressed
• 56:18
  or something. It's more an epiphany. I'm not
• 56:20
  stressed. No, not you. Just generally, I'm saying.
• 56:24
  I'm also speaking to the ether, to the listener,
• 56:27
  to the watcher. And by watcher, I don't only
• 56:33
  mean you watcher on YouTube, I mean... The watchers.
• 56:37
  Universe. The watchers of the universe. Do the
• 56:40
  watchers exist? Are there people that watch us?
• 56:43
  Sure. Or are there beings? Other consciousness,
• 56:46
  of course, at all times. You have your guides
• 56:49
  right now with you. All of us. We have our divine
• 56:52
  teams with us guiding us, whispering in our ears.
• 56:54
  Not literally, but yeah. They're always guiding
• 56:56
  us and we always have signs from them. Like I
• 56:59
  said, the moment you sit down, you can always
• 57:01
  even get their guidance. You can receive their
• 57:04
  guidance. That's so crazy Because not everyone
• 57:09
  can be as brave as we are being on this earth.
• 57:11
  It's not it's no easy task Yeah, I do that. I
• 57:15
  think I think that maybe we come to earth as
• 57:18
  a holiday as a safari As a pretty tough holiday
• 57:24
  as a school. Yeah Well, maybe it's a school.
• 57:29
  Maybe it's maybe it's a holiday. Maybe it's a
• 57:31
  maybe it's a safari. Maybe it's a It's a holiday
• 57:34
  for billionaires, maybe. Naked and alone, or
• 57:37
  what's that show? Naked and Afraid. That's what
• 57:40
  you think. No, I think even, I don't know, I
• 57:42
  think it's in this context, I think to learn.
• 57:47
  Yeah, sure. Because it's tough being human. Yeah.
• 57:51
  Even for the people that we think are, you know,
• 57:54
  the wealthiest on earth. All we know is that.
• 57:56
  Yeah, I think that all problems are equal in
• 57:59
  the mind of the soul, in the eyes of the soul.
• 58:01
  Like, I think that you're stressed. why you stress
• 58:04
  for different reasons. Right. I don't think that
• 58:08
  that stress is comprehensible beyond the line
• 58:11
  of being. There's like, while someone might idolize
• 58:15
  the idea of wealth, when they get there, they
• 58:18
  might find that they hate it. Yeah. You know,
• 58:22
  people will have different types of problems.
• 58:25
  We all have different types of problems. Even
• 58:26
  the ones who are really wealthy, like abundant
• 58:29
  physically. are also facing some of the other
• 58:33
  things in their own lives. So no one is scot
• 58:36
  -free in this manner. But then I also want to
• 58:38
  say, I do think that there is a difference when
• 58:41
  you have an existential fear. And I think that
• 58:45
  once you get past basic human needs, your fears
• 58:49
  become ego -based. But I think there is a level
• 58:52
  where your fears are existential. For someone
• 58:54
  homeless, for example, I don't think their fears
• 58:57
  and their problems are equal. Elon Musk's problems.
• 59:02
  He might feel, for example, that they are equal
• 59:08
  to the problems. Or maybe he idolizes the poor
• 59:12
  person because he thinks that they have no problem,
• 59:14
  but their issue is existential. Right? And I
• 59:18
  don't think that that is the same. I think everybody
• 59:21
  should be raised above the level of existential
• 59:24
  fear. Sorry. I think we're okay. I think again,
• 59:26
  we need to define existential. Because the way
• 59:29
  I'm hearing it from you is... My understanding
• 59:33
  of existential or existentialism is we have great
• 59:38
  anxiety when we understand we have no true meaning
• 59:41
  in life and we have to create our meaning. The
• 59:44
  way you're talking about it, the way you're using
• 59:45
  it, it seems, is... I'm not talking philosophically.
• 59:49
  Okay. Yeah, I'm talking like... So I think we
• 59:52
  need to clarify that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.
• 59:55
  I'm not on... Uh, what is his name? Soren Kierkegaard.
• 1:00:02
  The father of existentialism. No, I'm not, I'm
• 1:00:05
  not there right now. I'm on the level of, if
• 1:00:08
  I don't get food today, I'm going to starve to
• 1:00:12
  death kind of level. So like more survival. Survival.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah. Yeah. Like your, your literal presence
• 1:00:18
  on earth will end because of this, right? I think
• 1:00:24
  that is a different level of stress too. Oh no.
• 1:00:27
  If I don't make this sale, I'm going to lose
• 1:00:30
  my job. Well, the stress might feel the same.
• 1:00:35
  Yeah. I don't think that they really can. Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  I think it's subjective. I would argue it doesn't
• 1:00:43
  matter because the biggest issue is a fear of
• 1:00:46
  not existing for whatever reason. Is the homeless
• 1:00:50
  person afraid they're not going to eat and die?
• 1:00:55
  the person making the sale afraid they're not
• 1:00:56
  going to make the sale and then die? It depends
• 1:01:00
  how closely they're tied to the identity of being
• 1:01:02
  a salesman, right? Because the salesman will
• 1:01:05
  die. That reality will end, right? Why? Or it
• 1:01:12
  will shift to the extent of not being a salesman.
• 1:01:15
  He'll be a worse salesman. Well, then that's
• 1:01:17
  like a kind of social death. Yeah, actually,
• 1:01:19
  if you go to see, the moment you have a fear,
• 1:01:22
  and you start questioning it, very soon you can
• 1:01:25
  come to a realization, if you work on it, that
• 1:01:27
  it's just an illusion. You know, I have been
• 1:01:30
  there, to be frank, I'll tell you why I've gone
• 1:01:32
  into doing this inner wealth work, aside from
• 1:01:35
  wellness. And especially the mind, prioritizing
• 1:01:39
  the mind, even over like physical, I mean, now
• 1:01:42
  what has happened is that my wife is taking over
• 1:01:45
  all of, you know, the physical aspect and hopes
• 1:01:47
  and emotions, and even as emotions as well. And
• 1:01:50
  I have completely decided to take over the mind
• 1:01:52
  and all these things, because I do realize, and
• 1:01:54
  I have been there, where I was at a point in
• 1:01:58
  time where I didn't pay my social security, I
• 1:02:00
  just couldn't, I had limited amount of funds
• 1:02:02
  and I had to decide what can I do with it? Of
• 1:02:07
  course, buy my own food first, right? And in
• 1:02:09
  that, I didn't have too much flexibility. I have
• 1:02:12
  been there. And what changed things was me thinking
• 1:02:16
  that It's my choice. Like, okay, I'm faced with
• 1:02:20
  the situation, but how do I deal with it? Do
• 1:02:22
  I submerge myself in a fear that will consume
• 1:02:25
  me? That possibly is something as bad as existence
• 1:02:30
  and fear, just as you all pointed out. It was
• 1:02:33
  just an illusion. Or do I make something out
• 1:02:36
  of it where I can grow from here? I can make
• 1:02:39
  this my foundation. I'm at my foundation. I'm
• 1:02:41
  at the lowest in my life. And I decided to go
• 1:02:45
  the other way. to make this my foundation to
• 1:02:47
  build and grow from here, to come into my power.
• 1:02:50
  And that started shifting things for me. And
• 1:02:52
  then the moment we start working on our fears,
• 1:02:55
  we realize that most of them are illusions. It
• 1:02:58
  never gets as bad as, you know, not existing
• 1:03:01
  or dying. It never happens because although we
• 1:03:04
  live in a world which is challenging to live
• 1:03:06
  in, but there are always love funds and people
• 1:03:08
  who are amazing, kind -hearted, who are always
• 1:03:11
  around. Yeah. And I think that's a really good
• 1:03:14
  point. And I think a lot of people forget that.
• 1:03:15
  We always think the worst case scenario, you
• 1:03:17
  know, that's the nervous system. Well, I think
• 1:03:20
  the worst case scenario is really just shame.
• 1:03:23
  It's really, it's really not, you know, dying
• 1:03:26
  in a ditch. It's just shame. And that's so jarring
• 1:03:30
  for most people. Absolutely. It's not as bad
• 1:03:33
  as we think it is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Can't confirm.
• 1:03:38
  And let me just put on one more point. Would
• 1:03:41
  you ever... go to a movie that has nothing going
• 1:03:45
  on except this one guy or a girl or a family
• 1:03:47
  living this one life where everything is super
• 1:03:51
  good at all points. Everything's perfect. Would
• 1:03:54
  you even enjoy such a movie? Nah. Maybe artistically.
• 1:03:59
  You might. And now that you say that, I would
• 1:04:01
  see that movie just for the sake of it having
• 1:04:04
  never been done before. And it would make me
• 1:04:06
  think and I go, but I do know what you're saying.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't enjoy the movie. From
• 1:04:13
  an academic perspective, I might leave with cynical
• 1:04:18
  judgment. There are movies like that now. There
• 1:04:21
  was a movie like that recently. It was with Tom
• 1:04:24
  Hanks. What was it called? And it took place
• 1:04:27
  in a house and just people changing throughout
• 1:04:30
  the years. Obviously they had their, you know,
• 1:04:34
  whatever problems, but it's kind of the same
• 1:04:35
  idea. What was it called? But imagine if you
• 1:04:39
  don't have anything going on in life and everything
• 1:04:42
  is super awesome at all times. Would you really
• 1:04:45
  enjoy life? Like they say, if you never have
• 1:04:48
  darkness, you won't know what light is. Yeah,
• 1:04:51
  I get that. See, I could never answer that question
• 1:04:54
  because my life is never just so easy. I wish
• 1:04:56
  I could figure that out. Do you think that we
• 1:04:58
  create the problems? We create the problems to
• 1:05:01
  keep things interesting. Let's not call them
• 1:05:04
  problems. Let's call them challenges. Okay. We
• 1:05:08
  are, some of our challenges are, this is what
• 1:05:12
  you said, it's an illusion. We manufacture illusions
• 1:05:16
  in order to keep things interesting. And also
• 1:05:19
  to learn and have experiences and grow. Okay.
• 1:05:22
  I like that more. I mean, I don't want to think
• 1:05:24
  of like self -sabotage. No, never. Never shoot
• 1:05:27
  yourself in the foot, you know, thinking that
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  you will only have problems in your life that
• 1:05:32
  you can handle. You'll never have problems in
• 1:05:34
  your life that you cannot handle. I like that.
• 1:05:38
  That should be everyone's mantra. Yeah. Luigi,
• 1:05:42
  one more question before we move on to your topic.
• 1:05:44
  How does this lead into your struggles with spending
• 1:05:47
  money? Oh, geez. I don't know. Still, maybe Arjun
• 1:05:53
  can help me with this. Arjun, I don't like to
• 1:05:56
  spend money and it causes me a lot of grief to
• 1:06:00
  spend money. Like I obviously have a fear that
• 1:06:02
  it'll never be enough. He doesn't want to come
• 1:06:05
  to Thailand with me because he doesn't want to
• 1:06:07
  spend the money to come. Leave it alone. Consciously,
• 1:06:13
  it looks that way. Like I said again, there are
• 1:06:18
  deeper things inside that you need to question
• 1:06:20
  that why do you feel that way? Yeah. And something
• 1:06:24
  will definitely pop up. There is something behind
• 1:06:26
  it. And the moment you let go and resolve it
• 1:06:28
  and liberate it and transform it in alchemy,
• 1:06:32
  You will never have that fear again. Yeah. Yeah
• 1:06:35
  agree. Obviously I have to do the inner work.
• 1:06:38
  I'm just I just have not done it but Yeah Someday
• 1:06:43
  day by day. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for for for indulging
• 1:06:48
  me for a second Tell us tell us what your question
• 1:06:52
  is My question. Well, I mean we cut I we think
• 1:06:57
  we Know we did not cover this. Yeah. Well Okay,
• 1:07:03
  let me find it. Where'd it go? So, no, it kind
• 1:07:08
  of is. We did kind of talk about it. So let's
• 1:07:12
  talk about some of my neuroticism, as always.
• 1:07:16
  You know, obviously I'm back home, and when I
• 1:07:17
  come back home, I am reminded of the things I
• 1:07:22
  still possess, the physical media. And I'm looking
• 1:07:26
  at a lot of it. Okay, we could say physical media,
• 1:07:28
  but like physical things can be anything. you
• 1:07:31
  know, old toys, video games, whatever, teacups.
• 1:07:35
  There are some things I think, I don't need this
• 1:07:37
  anymore, but I'll say, I'll throw it out later.
• 1:07:42
  So, like, why do we need, do we still, do we
• 1:07:45
  need physical media nowadays with everything
• 1:07:51
  being, let's say, virtual, digital, on the internet?
• 1:07:56
  Is there a comfort in having a physical, tangible
• 1:07:59
  thing? Or should we just, as adults, do away
• 1:08:03
  with it? I think kids need physical media. Or
• 1:08:07
  actually, I think everybody needs these physical
• 1:08:10
  things, but it's - Define media. Define media.
• 1:08:14
  Yeah, I'm saying media, but I don't really mean
• 1:08:17
  like a VHS tape or a DVD. So I'm just like, let's
• 1:08:24
  say, how can I say it? Physical objects? I wonder
• 1:08:27
  if physical media incorporates all of the things.
• 1:08:31
  So one thing you know about me, Ruby, is I love
• 1:08:34
  mugs and I love novelty mugs. They're a big part
• 1:08:40
  of my, I don't know, I think they're a big part
• 1:08:43
  of my personality. That's for giving me an idea
• 1:08:45
  for what to bring back for you. Very good, but
• 1:08:49
  are they necessary or is it just another kind
• 1:08:51
  of attachment? I look at it in a different manner.
• 1:08:55
  You're looking at it as just perhaps physical
• 1:08:58
  media, you're understanding it as that. But I
• 1:09:00
  believe it's very likely, it's more than that,
• 1:09:03
  it's memories. It's emotions connected to those
• 1:09:08
  things. And even if there are no memories connected
• 1:09:11
  to those things, generally, the way those things
• 1:09:13
  are reminds you of something or gives you a certain
• 1:09:16
  feeling, again, emotions. And that's the reason
• 1:09:18
  why you tend to be also attached to things and
• 1:09:21
  want to have them in your space. Yeah. I can,
• 1:09:25
  I can look at it. Yes. So there, for me, I mean,
• 1:09:30
  off the top of my head, there are two ways of
• 1:09:31
  me looking at it. There's like the nice nostalgia.
• 1:09:33
  And then there's also my, my, let's say my money,
• 1:09:37
  my money worries. I have this, it's almost like
• 1:09:39
  hoarding. Like I think, what if I need it? But
• 1:09:43
  I know that was my question. Like how do you,
• 1:09:46
  where, where does the, where do we draw the line
• 1:09:48
  between collection and hoarding? Yeah, when it,
• 1:09:52
  you know, when it's really getting so excess
• 1:09:54
  that it starts affecting you. You know, affecting
• 1:09:58
  you because hoarding does affect people. Their
• 1:10:01
  emotions and, and, and Dr. Bradley Nelson, who
• 1:10:04
  is the author of the emotion code and the body
• 1:10:06
  code. And I completely agree with this also wrote
• 1:10:09
  about that people who are hoarding are kind of
• 1:10:12
  creating like a wall around them. Not literally,
• 1:10:14
  but. Yeah, psychologically. Yeah. Logically.
• 1:10:19
  What are they trying to protect themselves from?
• 1:10:22
  Again, at the root, there's something else. Is
• 1:10:25
  there some trauma? Is there some emotion? Is
• 1:10:28
  it some fear? Surely there is something that
• 1:10:32
  one needs to work on. Yeah, I think so. Definitely.
• 1:10:36
  Yeah. And there's nothing to feel bad about because
• 1:10:40
  all of us have something or the other to work
• 1:10:42
  on. That's the reason why we are here, right?
• 1:10:44
  No one can be scot -free and perfect. Yes. And
• 1:10:47
  then also I don't think that there is a problem
• 1:10:51
  in wanting to collect mugs because... No, there
• 1:10:56
  isn't. But me personally, I'll just say the things
• 1:10:59
  I have, they do cause me grief in as much as
• 1:11:02
  I have to depend on others to manage them for
• 1:11:06
  me because my life is moderately transient. You
• 1:11:10
  know, I don't really have a truly permanent home.
• 1:11:15
  So when I come home, I have my things. It's not
• 1:11:19
  a lot, but I think it's still a little too much
• 1:11:22
  maybe. And I really value those things because
• 1:11:25
  like my T -wares, for example, like I remember
• 1:11:29
  the struggle of getting those, like traveling
• 1:11:32
  all over China, picking them out, curating them.
• 1:11:35
  And like now I look at them years later and I
• 1:11:37
  think, ah, this is not very valuable. But I went
• 1:11:39
  through so much to get it. And still if something
• 1:11:43
  happened to me, happen to them, it would cause
• 1:11:46
  me a lot of, like, anxiety maybe. I'm sure I
• 1:11:49
  would get over it, but... Value doesn't come
• 1:11:53
  from monetary. I mean, I can appreciate the value
• 1:11:57
  that comes from materials that we use, if they're
• 1:12:00
  rare, hard to find, high quality, and there's
• 1:12:03
  a lot of effort that goes into making them. But
• 1:12:06
  that same effort comes into the curation process
• 1:12:11
  of finding things. I know you, I'm sure that
• 1:12:14
  you didn't curate trash. I think I did in as
• 1:12:18
  much as I didn't know any better. So that's the
• 1:12:24
  thing, then it was a learning experience on top
• 1:12:27
  of all of that. Yeah, I would agree, but you
• 1:12:30
  know. But I think now in the world today it's
• 1:12:32
  so paradoxical because... While everything is
• 1:12:36
  kind of like subscriptions, we people don't really
• 1:12:39
  have, they don't really want to purchase. Let's
• 1:12:41
  go back to physical media and let's say anything
• 1:12:44
  that's not digital we can now talk about. I want
• 1:12:46
  to say something on this, actually. Because you're
• 1:12:50
  talking about the curation of things. And I've
• 1:12:53
  always had a passion for quality things. And
• 1:12:59
  if I'm able to get those things, then I will.
• 1:13:04
  high school, there was this, I received criticism
• 1:13:07
  from my family for always buying expensive things.
• 1:13:14
  But what I would do is I would be like, I would
• 1:13:18
  obsess over something for weeks. I would do intense
• 1:13:23
  research. I would read research papers and design
• 1:13:28
  documents on how something was made before I
• 1:13:31
  would buy it. And then I would save money and
• 1:13:34
  then I would buy it. And if just before I bought
• 1:13:38
  it, something else that was better came out that
• 1:13:41
  I had read about, I would buy that thing instead.
• 1:13:43
  So it's been a lot of money on this one thing,
• 1:13:46
  but then that one thing would stay with me for
• 1:13:49
  years and years. And I think that that kind of
• 1:13:53
  media, that kind of, let's call them objects.
• 1:13:58
  Has been lost. Okay. I'm I'm flying to South
• 1:14:01
  Africa tomorrow. Here's a razor I'll be taking
• 1:14:03
  this razor. I've been looking at another razor
• 1:14:07
  online for over two years and I wish I had bought
• 1:14:11
  it but now I'm not gonna because it's expensive
• 1:14:14
  Yeah, for a razor It's a razor. Yeah. Well, obviously
• 1:14:19
  you care about quality And I think that's good.
• 1:14:22
  I think like to me it seems like you have a very
• 1:14:25
  practical sense of using your money But I could
• 1:14:28
  be wrong. I don't know how many insane branding
• 1:14:31
  items I buy. Sometimes I buy too many things.
• 1:14:34
  How much money did I spend on establishing this
• 1:14:36
  podcast? I spent way too much money on microphones
• 1:14:40
  because I thought this is what I need. Like,
• 1:14:43
  this one is the only one that I truly wanted.
• 1:14:47
  And I'm not sad about it. Why didn't you return
• 1:14:49
  the things after you used them and thought, okay,
• 1:14:53
  it's not exactly what I'm looking for? That's
• 1:14:54
  a very good question because I like them. Okay.
• 1:14:58
  Because I like them and I would try to find a
• 1:15:01
  use case for them, for the ones that I bought.
• 1:15:03
  It's like you want to have them. There's some
• 1:15:05
  kind of commodity fetish there. Yeah, commodity
• 1:15:10
  fetish. I've never heard a phrase that way. Well,
• 1:15:14
  it's a famous phrase, the commodity fetish. Not
• 1:15:17
  in my books. Well, the point is, I'll try and
• 1:15:20
  break it down real quick. So essentially the
• 1:15:22
  commodity fetish is in an anthropological sense,
• 1:15:24
  A fetish is a thing that is used spiritually
• 1:15:28
  to hold all of these kinds of qualities, you
• 1:15:33
  know, used in religious ceremony or whatnot.
• 1:15:36
  So that happens to our commodities. That's why
• 1:15:39
  in today, in late capitalism, let's say, when
• 1:15:43
  we purchase things, it goes beyond the utility
• 1:15:46
  of the object. It is the qualities we acquire
• 1:15:50
  and the in the kind of charmed circle we get
• 1:15:54
  to belong to once we have those things. It's
• 1:15:56
  kind of like, you know, what's everybody buying
• 1:15:59
  in China right now, Ruby? And you think, oh my
• 1:16:01
  god, so silly. Those dolls, the key chain dolls.
• 1:16:05
  That's right, the Labooboos. Arjun, do you know
• 1:16:08
  about Labooboo? I just heard of Labooboo. Yeah,
• 1:16:12
  it's just trendy, you know? It's social media.
• 1:16:14
  It's the media, I would say. Right, and so everybody
• 1:16:17
  buys it to... It's to belong to a group, let's
• 1:16:28
  say. It's a social experience and you buy it
• 1:16:33
  to be a part of it. And more importantly, if
• 1:16:35
  you saw someone, let's say like a celebrity with
• 1:16:39
  the Labooboo, how do you get, how do you acquire
• 1:16:42
  the same qualities as a celebrity? You do it
• 1:16:45
  through your taste. You buy the Labooboo and
• 1:16:47
  then you have them. She left again. She'll be
• 1:16:51
  back. Okay. We got to wait for her. Yeah, of
• 1:16:54
  course. Yeah, it's better to wait. I'll text
• 1:16:56
  her and see. Even me. It's almost... Well, I
• 1:16:59
  guess where she is, it's almost 12. Oh, is it?
• 1:17:03
  Where is she exactly? Look at it right now. She's
• 1:17:06
  in Suzhou city, which is southwest of Shanghai
• 1:17:11
  city by like 90 kilometers. I don't know if that
• 1:17:14
  needs anything to you. I don't know if, I don't
• 1:17:16
  know what your geography of China is, but you
• 1:17:18
  know Shanghai is a very famous city. No, I don't
• 1:17:19
  know much. Yeah, but 90 kilometers, yeah, it's
• 1:17:21
  not much, right? No, about an hour and a half.
• 1:17:24
  Okay, but your time zones are the same, of course.
• 1:17:27
  My time zone, China is 12 hours ahead of me.
• 1:17:33
  So while it is, it's almost 12 in the afternoon
• 1:17:39
  here, so it'd be 12 a .m. there. Yeah, no, sorry,
• 1:17:41
  you weren't in China, right? Yeah, okay. But
• 1:17:43
  let's see where she is. Disconcerting. Because
• 1:17:46
  she's the host. She needs to be recording this.
• 1:17:49
  I got to check all my computers. I'm on multiple
• 1:17:51
  screens. Believe it or not. Let me see. Maybe
• 1:17:54
  she fell asleep. I'm back. Welcome back, Ruby.
• 1:18:00
  I'm sorry. I don't know what happened outside
• 1:18:03
  this room, but I think one of the animals shut
• 1:18:06
  down the Wi -Fi by accident. Are you joking?
• 1:18:12
  No, no, I'm dead serious. Like, I lost Wi -Fi.
• 1:18:15
  Luckily, I have a backup Wi -Fi router here,
• 1:18:18
  so I just switched. Oh, okay. You can edit it
• 1:18:22
  out. So... It'll be, thanks to Riverside, it'll
• 1:18:26
  be edited out by itself. Well, I made my point
• 1:18:29
  about the fetish. So that's why... Perhaps that's
• 1:18:34
  why you like the things you do. They have a quality
• 1:18:36
  that marks your identity or gives you this kind
• 1:18:40
  of qualities. where you purchase it and you feel
• 1:18:43
  like you belong to a certain group that you value.
• 1:18:47
  Arjun, what do you think? You know, I... Again,
• 1:18:51
  going back 50, 100 years, you know, we had minimalistic
• 1:18:58
  kind of a living. You know, things were pretty
• 1:19:01
  much quality. You know, the refrigerators and
• 1:19:04
  everything. First of all, there was really less
• 1:19:06
  stuff that time compared to now. And I feel...
• 1:19:09
  I don't want to get into conspiracy theories
• 1:19:11
  like hardcore, but you know, we have been divided
• 1:19:16
  by certain powers, groups, I would say, who also
• 1:19:21
  overlook and decide what we should learn, how
• 1:19:25
  the society should function, how the economy
• 1:19:28
  should be. And I feel that a lot of things are
• 1:19:32
  just distractions to keep us engaged in our own
• 1:19:35
  worlds, small worlds that we create to feel powerless.
• 1:19:38
  Because remember, together we are powerful and
• 1:19:42
  divided like we fall, right? And so we cannot
• 1:19:47
  see as much as consumerism and that's so much
• 1:19:50
  of stuff that we see today in today's time. We
• 1:19:53
  couldn't see that 100, 150 years ago. And I feel
• 1:19:55
  like, again, nothing is good and bad. But I think
• 1:19:59
  we are also reaching a point where it's really
• 1:20:02
  hurting the earth. you know, exploitation of
• 1:20:05
  the resources and so on and so forth. Because
• 1:20:08
  the economy needs to keep going. Well, they could
• 1:20:10
  create quality products as Ruby points out. And
• 1:20:13
  I really appreciate her for, you know, being,
• 1:20:16
  buying quality and sticking with it, you know,
• 1:20:17
  and of course, quality products do last a lifetime
• 1:20:20
  and more, you know, and they get passed on generations.
• 1:20:22
  And that's a great practice, by the way. And
• 1:20:24
  I feel that we now need to come back to that
• 1:20:27
  point where it's not like stuff is bad, but The
• 1:20:31
  so -called companies that make low quality cheap
• 1:20:34
  products can also make high quality higher quality
• 1:20:36
  products that last But then again, they think
• 1:20:39
  if you know, what if products last and people
• 1:20:43
  are not gonna buy again? Yeah, and so it's it's
• 1:20:47
  not us Of course, you know people are in their
• 1:20:50
  own stresses and emotions and traumas and and
• 1:20:53
  so much going on There is a void in all of us
• 1:20:56
  also because you are divided that we want to
• 1:20:59
  fill and we need to felt belonged somewhere or
• 1:21:03
  we need to feel a certain way. And if you see
• 1:21:06
  the advertisements, you see brands like Coca
• 1:21:08
  -Cola, Apple, and so on and so forth. The way
• 1:21:11
  they make the ads, it's like all psychology.
• 1:21:16
  It's designed in such a way that communicates
• 1:21:19
  directly to your subconscious and makes you want
• 1:21:23
  it and have it. Yeah, Ruby, you should be an
• 1:21:26
  expert on this stuff. Isn't this what you studied
• 1:21:28
  in school? Yeah, I studied on how to make people
• 1:21:31
  want things. Actually, no, no, no, no. It was
• 1:21:34
  part of my studies, but my studies was more focused
• 1:21:38
  on internal management of employees during a
• 1:21:43
  crisis. Snap. I thought it was more like communications.
• 1:21:48
  Yeah, it is communication management and my specialization,
• 1:21:52
  my major. or my major project at the end was
• 1:21:56
  internal branding. Internal communication management.
• 1:22:01
  My education too, part of it was in rhetoric.
• 1:22:05
  And a lot of people just think rhetoric is just
• 1:22:07
  fancy ways of talking and convincing through
• 1:22:09
  an argument. But no, it extends beyond that.
• 1:22:12
  It's the things we consume, the way we decorate
• 1:22:15
  a room, things like that. So I do think about
• 1:22:20
  it quite a bit. Maybe that's why I'm not so apt
• 1:22:23
  to buy good quality things because on some level,
• 1:22:26
  I don't believe in that good quality. I just
• 1:22:28
  think because I can't see the logistics of the
• 1:22:30
  product, I also am very skeptical and think the
• 1:22:38
  price is just marked up. For example, in North
• 1:22:40
  America, there are famous retail stores called
• 1:22:44
  like Marshall's and you buy clothes there that
• 1:22:46
  you think are top -notch quality goods, you know.
• 1:22:50
  And you see the label, the price tag, and it
• 1:22:53
  says, you know, in other stores it would be this
• 1:22:54
  much, but at our store, it's this much. So you
• 1:22:57
  see this marked down. But really, from what I
• 1:23:02
  understand is that it's just, it's a ruse. It's
• 1:23:06
  a psychological tactic to get you to purchase
• 1:23:10
  it and think you are making a deal for a quality
• 1:23:14
  product. No store. is going to mark down a product
• 1:23:19
  into a loss. Unless it's like some kind of extreme
• 1:23:25
  scenario. And then there'll be a strategy to
• 1:23:30
  make money from something else. Yeah, right.
• 1:23:33
  But when you see some of the items in some places
• 1:23:37
  that are marked down because, you know, season's
• 1:23:40
  over, whatever, and you see how inexpensive it
• 1:23:42
  is, you realize how much it really doesn't cost
• 1:23:47
  But I think we are insulated from that in China.
• 1:23:53
  To a very large extent. I buy my clothes from
• 1:23:57
  the cheapest place possible. And then I wear
• 1:24:00
  them for years. But yes, me too. But what about
• 1:24:05
  shopping malls in China? No, they're mocked up.
• 1:24:09
  But that's bread and circus. I know, that's my
• 1:24:11
  point. That's bread and circus. Wait, we need
• 1:24:14
  to get Arjun back, because I only see a freeze
• 1:24:16
  frame right now. No, he's still here. He's listening.
• 1:24:20
  Absolutely. I was just listening to your conversations,
• 1:24:23
  and if I may add, because prior to the pandemic,
• 1:24:26
  we owned a company of organic cotton clothing,
• 1:24:29
  t -shirts, naturally dyed t -shirts. And so,
• 1:24:33
  of course, we are aware of the ongoings, or at
• 1:24:36
  least of the fashion industry. And that's true,
• 1:24:39
  at least talking. of fast fashion, speaking of
• 1:24:42
  fast fashion, you know, the brands and everything,
• 1:24:44
  they are generally produced in like underdeveloped
• 1:24:47
  countries or developing countries, and very cheap
• 1:24:50
  labor, sweatshops, and the same items are, you
• 1:24:55
  know, even used by brands that are, they charge
• 1:24:58
  in a very high price on the label, you know,
• 1:25:02
  they have a very high price on the label, like
• 1:25:03
  ultra -luxury brands, or what do you call it?
• 1:25:07
  brands like that are just good enough for almost
• 1:25:09
  everyone. It's all, it's a facade. That's true
• 1:25:12
  at many levels and many brands, you know, it's
• 1:25:15
  just a facade. So you are right, Luigi. You are
• 1:25:20
  absolutely right into thinking that they actually
• 1:25:22
  have a very high profit margin and it's actually
• 1:25:26
  an exploitation. And that's why at least what
• 1:25:29
  we try and do is most of the times wherever possible.
• 1:25:32
  we try to buy local, more handmade, more stuff
• 1:25:37
  like that. And yeah, just because something is
• 1:25:40
  high in price doesn't mean it's going to be good
• 1:25:41
  in quality. But when you're buying something
• 1:25:44
  from someone that makes it personally, or like
• 1:25:47
  a small group of people or a smaller company,
• 1:25:50
  not by a big corporation, it's more likely to
• 1:25:52
  be. Good. You know, so I'm just what Ruby does
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  and, you know, uh, researching whatever, you
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  know, you're going to buy is, is a great, it's
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  a great practice. I feel. Absolutely. I think
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  there is this is a space for big corporate corporations
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  to exist. And I'm thinking about situations like,
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  for example, this micro. This, this being made
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  on a local level by an artisan is not very practical,
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  but this. being made here, down the road, by
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  an artisan? Very possible. Right? Was that shirt
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  made down the road? It's just a cotton shirt,
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  yeah. Probably. Yeah, absolutely. There are things
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  that just can't be made by smaller players. And
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  you know, we've just got to stick with what it
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  is. Of course, I think we've just got to stick
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  with what we have in the world we live in. And
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  just hope for the best, you know, just keep spreading
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  love and being forgiving. But then I want to
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  say as well, like there are things like the lights
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  behind me. Okay. The LED strips that are going
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  around that's made by a very big company. Right.
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  There's no getting around that. It's cheap. But
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  then the name there, there are quite a few companies
• 1:27:10
  that make that. And that's made. Locally, like
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  I actually drew that picture and wrote the words
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  and sent it to them and then they made it for
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  me and then they send it back. And you can see
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  if you looked at it, it's hand cut. And I kind
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  of appreciate that. It didn't go through like
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  some heavy money. Obviously the parts of it are
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  made by a big corporation or a factory. But I
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  think that's different to consumer facing. large
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  preparations. That's true. Yeah, there are some
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  things that are just not in our control, like,
• 1:27:48
  you know, like the LED lights and whatnot, like
• 1:27:50
  the microphones that really smaller players can't
• 1:27:54
  get into manufacturing. But definitely, I think
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  with time, and we are shifting, you know, because
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  we are revolting as well, we are opening our
• 1:28:03
  eyes, we are awakening. And I think there will
• 1:28:05
  come a time, at least in my reality, in our reality,
• 1:28:08
  that we are heading on to where being in a higher
• 1:28:10
  state of in a higher vibrational state and I
• 1:28:13
  think we can definitely be a part of a better
• 1:28:16
  world as even people are becoming more and more
• 1:28:19
  aware of, you know, it's not good for the earth,
• 1:28:22
  it's not healthy for the earth these practices
• 1:28:23
  and also opening themselves up to the reality
• 1:28:27
  of that they have been placed in a so -called
• 1:28:30
  matrix, you know, isolated, distracted and the
• 1:28:35
  more we start because It's funny, you know, we
• 1:28:38
  live in a world where we have internet and we
• 1:28:40
  are better connected than ever. And we are still
• 1:28:42
  so disconnected and isolated. But I think more
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  and more as we create communities, not because
• 1:28:48
  of products, but just for each other, the more
• 1:28:51
  we can start shifting, the more, like I said,
• 1:28:54
  the best thing that happened was, you know, first
• 1:28:56
  of all, whatever the society we are living in,
• 1:29:00
  the basis of that was old biology, old physics,
• 1:29:04
  in the old thinking. The old, for example, the
• 1:29:08
  Darwin's theory of evolution, everything is based
• 1:29:09
  on that competition for survival, cutthroat competition,
• 1:29:13
  right? Yeah. But that's not, we are not products
• 1:29:15
  of evolution. Again, we can get into alternate
• 1:29:18
  history. We are not products of evolution. We
• 1:29:20
  are not, as humanity is not made for competition,
• 1:29:24
  we are made to live together in harmony and cooperation.
• 1:29:29
  And the moment we start shifting that model,
• 1:29:32
  everything's going to start changing. Right.
• 1:29:35
  Yeah, that reminds me of just something I came
• 1:29:39
  across maybe a week or two ago to add to your
• 1:29:41
  point Arjun that we are more people are more
• 1:29:45
  egalitarian than We think and it's only when
• 1:29:49
  we have all of this excess that we become Greedy,
• 1:29:53
  so it sounds bad, but we are in our nature greedy
• 1:29:58
  for a survival sense because what they noticed
• 1:30:01
  in like tribal cultures that were egalitarian.
• 1:30:05
  It was so important for everyone to be equal.
• 1:30:07
  So if you were a hunter and you were the best
• 1:30:10
  hunter, the tribe would make sure, you know,
• 1:30:14
  when you're all in the village, everyone's equal.
• 1:30:16
  And then when you go out to hunt, okay, you're
• 1:30:18
  the best hunter, today we're going to let you
• 1:30:20
  hunt. Even if you're the best, it doesn't matter.
• 1:30:23
  We're going to give someone else a turn. And
• 1:30:24
  what they also noticed was that like when those,
• 1:30:27
  if you came across like, If you alone came across
• 1:30:31
  a beehive full of honey, you would gorge yourself
• 1:30:34
  on that honey and eat it all. And that's just
• 1:30:38
  because it was so rare to come by, but it still
• 1:30:40
  would not diminish the kind of egalitarian dynamic
• 1:30:44
  of the tribes. And it's only they discovered,
• 1:30:47
  I guess now relative to today is that because
• 1:30:50
  we can create so much excess that we appear greedier.
• 1:30:56
  It's like some kind of, it's a drive in us from
• 1:30:59
  you know, so long ago. But we are better at actually
• 1:31:04
  being egalitarian. And we know it's practical.
• 1:31:07
  But now, because of the system we're in, we're
• 1:31:10
  opposite that. Because we have to be to survive,
• 1:31:14
  I guess, in the society we're in today, because
• 1:31:18
  it depends on economy. You know, but even in
• 1:31:22
  the economy or the game, it's more like a game,
• 1:31:25
  actually. The moment we realize We shift out
• 1:31:28
  of fear and scarcity and we start addressing
• 1:31:31
  those things within us. We can actually start
• 1:31:33
  shifting away from a lot of those things that
• 1:31:35
  keep us greedy or angry or hungry or whatever
• 1:31:38
  it is, you know. And the more we can start connecting
• 1:31:41
  with other people because also, you know, when
• 1:31:43
  a person is in fear, when the person is anxious,
• 1:31:46
  when the person is going through emotions which
• 1:31:48
  are more dense, lower vibration emotions, we
• 1:31:51
  tend to feel isolated. tend to not feel like
• 1:31:55
  going out and meeting people. It's very natural,
• 1:31:58
  right? You know, you're feeling sad. You wouldn't
• 1:31:59
  feel like going and talking to anyone. Yeah.
• 1:32:02
  And they know what they are doing. These, these
• 1:32:05
  groups of people, these who kind of have control
• 1:32:08
  on most systems of the world, which is now breaking.
• 1:32:12
  They know what the psychology is. They know how
• 1:32:16
  people can be manipulated, how They can keep
• 1:32:18
  things, you know, they can keep the illusion
• 1:32:21
  up, the illusion of that, you know, we are not
• 1:32:23
  in control and we need to, you know, fill the
• 1:32:25
  void within us by purchasing stuff and, you know,
• 1:32:29
  being, being competitive and, and, you know,
• 1:32:33
  serving the ego by saying, I'm the winner. I
• 1:32:34
  am the, I'm the man. I'm the guy. And, you know,
• 1:32:36
  I'm the winner and you are not, you're, you're
• 1:32:38
  a loser and I'm better than you. And those kinds
• 1:32:41
  of things, they don't serve us. And it's not
• 1:32:44
  because inherently we are bad or anything. It's
• 1:32:46
  just that, you know, we are so drenched in trauma
• 1:32:48
  from all the past. You know, remember, energy,
• 1:32:53
  even emotion, trauma, everything is also energy.
• 1:32:56
  And because it cannot, and many times it's so
• 1:32:59
  much, it's so much, especially like in times
• 1:33:01
  when there were like world wars and whatnot,
• 1:33:04
  that one single A person one single consciousness
• 1:33:08
  couldn't contain that form of like heavy trauma
• 1:33:11
  and energy in their field within themselves It
• 1:33:14
  couldn't just contain it. So it got distributed
• 1:33:15
  because remember Beyond this there is timelessness.
• 1:33:19
  So there's no restriction of time, right? There's
• 1:33:22
  no linearity beyond this dimension. So energy
• 1:33:25
  is not limited to the third dimension so any
• 1:33:30
  trauma any strong emotion dense emotions faced
• 1:33:33
  which the body cannot contain it segregates and
• 1:33:37
  segments it and is passed to other generations
• 1:33:41
  as well. And then sometimes we feel triggered
• 1:33:44
  and we feel certain ways and we don't know why.
• 1:33:48
  Because those energies are also contained. And
• 1:33:52
  although it's really relatively easy to begin
• 1:33:55
  to liberate those things, again, just by being
• 1:33:58
  more within ourselves and questioning what we
• 1:34:00
  are feeling, what's happening and not being distracted.
• 1:34:04
  by the illusions that are placed around us all
• 1:34:06
  the time. And we're really waking up to the fact
• 1:34:09
  that, you know, we are in control, we can take
• 1:34:12
  the power back in our hands. We are not a product
• 1:34:16
  of evolution and we are meant to live in harmony.
• 1:34:20
  There's enough for everyone. There's something
• 1:34:22
  really important to realize that we always think
• 1:34:24
  of scarcity and scarcity is a part of fear. But
• 1:34:27
  there's enough for everyone. Scarcity mindset
• 1:34:29
  is poison. So you just cut out there for a minute.
• 1:34:33
  I said the scarcity mindset is just poisonous.
• 1:34:38
  Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think we should wrap it
• 1:34:43
  up. I think we should wrap it up. Arjun, you've
• 1:34:47
  been fantastic. Thank you everybody for tuning
• 1:34:50
  into this. Don't forget to follow Arjun at A
• 1:34:53
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• 1:34:59
  me spell that. Spell that carefully. I'm going
• 1:35:02
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• 1:35:07
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• 1:35:12
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  -U. Or Fire From Heat on Instagram. Or Heat From
• 1:35:22
  Fire on TikTok. Luigi, what are your socials?
• 1:35:27
  I don't have... I don't want to share my socials.
• 1:35:30
  I'm not cool enough yet. My socials aren't that
• 1:35:33
  big. Why do you ask me for my socials? You know
• 1:35:37
  that. You can find Luigi anywhere you find Kaleidoscope.
• 1:35:41
  Yeah. That's it. For now. Listen, when my socials
• 1:35:45
  get bigger, I'll be more apt to share. Fine.
• 1:35:51
  I have to do the work. I'm going to stop the
• 1:35:54
  recording. We'll just stay online. We can have
• 1:35:56
  a bit of a chat. Yeah. All right. you