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The Bear Story · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with her Radio. This is the almost famous podcast with
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Speaker 1: Ben and Ashley. I Ashley, how was your long weekend?
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Speaker 1: It was so good? How is yours? It was awesome?
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Speaker 1: Actually have a story for you. Wanna hear it? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So I I tried to once a year get out
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Speaker 1: in the woods. Uh here in Colorado, like just far out,
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Speaker 1: backpack in a couple of miles, set up camp, hang out.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I did this weekend. Jessica actually on Friday.
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Speaker 1: Usually I'd leave on a Friday, but she went to
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Speaker 1: Shania Twain with Kalin in Vegas. This weekend. Jessica stepped out,
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Speaker 1: flew to Vegas for one day and then back the
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Speaker 1: next day just for this concert, which is very unlike
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Speaker 1: my wife. But they had a blast, um a really
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Speaker 1: good time, and then I left on Saturday. Have I
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Speaker 1: ever told you my bear story? Uh? Yeah, yeah, You've
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Speaker 1: been talked about how there's a lot of bears around. Yeah. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Well a few years ago when I first did this trip,
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Speaker 1: I forgot I had put bacon flavored sunflower seeds inside
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Speaker 1: my backpack and a bear destroyed my tent. I mean
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Speaker 1: literally rolled it up like a Chipotle burrito and aft
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Speaker 1: going after these sunflower seeds. And so I camped at
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Speaker 1: the same spot this weekend that I was at that time.
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Speaker 1: No bear, luckily, but I was very careful with my food.
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Speaker 1: No food in the bag, not even my toothpaste. This year,
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Speaker 1: gotten smarter, uh, But got to see some incredible wildlife,
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Speaker 1: a lot of birds, um, just a lot of stars.
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Speaker 1: It was really special for you, my first concert, really yeah.
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Speaker 1: And my greatest memory from it is just that I
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Speaker 1: had to pee the entire time, like so so bad.
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Speaker 1: I was in fifth grade, and um, I was with
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Speaker 1: my friend's dad and my friend and then another friend
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Speaker 1: of hers, and I was just so conflicted on whether
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Speaker 1: to ask to go to the bathroom because you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously fifth grader can't go by themselves to the bathroom
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Speaker 1: at a concert, and I was supposed to ask her dad.
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Speaker 1: So I just held it the entire night. And obviously
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Speaker 1: don't remember anything about the concert except for my full bladder.
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Speaker 1: That's the worst happens to me on fights, like the
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Speaker 1: window seat, and sometimes I said down like I do
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Speaker 1: for everybody here to get up, and so then you
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Speaker 1: feel their sleeping. That's always tricky. Yeah, you feel like
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Speaker 1: a basketball is sitting in your gut, like you gotta
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Speaker 1: do it on a plane, you have to go and
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Speaker 1: at a concert you have to go to all fifth
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Speaker 1: grade girls listening makes you just go ask the dad. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's why he's there. Um, it'll be nice about it.
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Speaker 1: H Well, Ashley, it's a big week, obviously. I can't
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Speaker 1: believe it. We're coming to the end of the season
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Speaker 1: of The Bachelorette. Gabby and Rachel are kind of in
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Speaker 1: the home stretch of their experiences as bachelorette. Uh and Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a big week because it's overnight dates, which always
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Speaker 1: bring drama. The drama they always do for obvious reasons,
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Speaker 1: right You And I like this these weeks, Ashley, because
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Speaker 1: I feel like the personality of the lead really shows
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Speaker 1: how they're going to navigate this physical intimacy, how they're
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Speaker 1: going to navigate the feelings of all of their contestants
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Speaker 1: that they care now at this point a lot about.
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Speaker 1: And I was very excited for this week because after
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Speaker 1: I mean, i mean, Clayton's season had some rough patches,
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Speaker 1: but it was really you overnights that kind of launched
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Speaker 1: it into a a messy situation and uh, and so
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Speaker 1: I was very intrigued to see how Rachel and Gabby
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Speaker 1: we're gonna handle overnights. Both of them did it in
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Speaker 1: different ways. What were your thoughts? I was like, overall,
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Speaker 1: in and out of the episode, there were some times
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Speaker 1: where I was like, Okay, let's see what goes down here,
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Speaker 1: and then there were times I was just like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, this is just blabber like, cut this down.
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Speaker 1: I think overall, I wasn't really shocked by anything, though,
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Speaker 1: what about you? I can't say I'm shocked. I feel
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Speaker 1: like we've gotten, now last couple of weeks, a fairly
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Speaker 1: good taste of each contestant. I I don't think anything
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Speaker 1: surprised me. I am still a little on edge about
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Speaker 1: how like Tino was handling this. That was still a
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Speaker 1: little surprising to me. I guess I would say, what
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Speaker 1: about just I don't think he's comfortable here. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't think this experience is one where he feels uh.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what I want to say, like that
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Speaker 1: not prep you don't want to practice for the Bachelor
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Speaker 1: at but you just don't you. Also, I feel like
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Speaker 1: he just has continued to be um not understanding what
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Speaker 1: environment he's in. Does that make sense? Sure? But I
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Speaker 1: don't know that I felt that, to be honest with
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Speaker 1: my perspective, I felt, like, you know how, I go
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Speaker 1: back and forth between whether or not he's an f
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Speaker 1: boy or whether he's actually in love with her. I
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Speaker 1: was actually on the side of he's actually in love
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Speaker 1: with her this episode, and I didn't sense any like
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Speaker 1: f boy nous and I think that like everything was
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Speaker 1: like pretty much a genuine feeling. I think that he
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Speaker 1: also doesn't really one went down at his home down. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I wonder why he was in the room for most
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Speaker 1: of that, right, Yeah, except for the one on one
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Speaker 1: chats when your dad when she was like, yeah, your
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Speaker 1: dad said that like he would deal with it, but
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Speaker 1: like not accept it, yeah, or like accept it but
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Speaker 1: not like it. I don't know what he might not
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Speaker 1: know what went He was shocked by that, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: he was like he was like, oh really, Oh we'll
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Speaker 1: have to deal with that. Yeah. I mean I never
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Speaker 1: had hometowns as a contestant, but as I lead, your
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Speaker 1: hometowns are very They're difficult because they're very awkward, especially
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Speaker 1: when you get put on the spot of is my
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Speaker 1: with my you know. My situation is my daughter the
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Speaker 1: one and you're like, hey, you have every right to
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Speaker 1: ask me that, like you're the dad or the mom
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Speaker 1: of this child that is going through this crazy experience. However,
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Speaker 1: I don't have the ability to answer that question. So
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Speaker 1: now we're just gonna sit in awkwardness because I have
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Speaker 1: to dance around it to try to keep you happy.
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Speaker 1: You at the same time knowing how serious this is.
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Speaker 1: And so I have a hard time. I think Tino's
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Speaker 1: family was very critical and very hard. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it was fair to Rachel. I just have a hard
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Speaker 1: time being too critical of the families because this is
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Speaker 1: so weird. I mean, the whole thing is weird. I
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Speaker 1: just wished Tino might know. I wish you would listen
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Speaker 1: to Rachel. I guess would be what I'm saying here
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Speaker 1: and hear what she's trying to tell him, And I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he's fully grasping. I think he's shocked
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Speaker 1: and doesn't understand, but I don't know if he's actually
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Speaker 1: listening to the words she's saying. Okay, yeah, okay, well
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Speaker 1: here here we go. Should we go through the entire episode? Now?
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Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, I don't know if we
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Speaker 1: need to go through in details. I think let's just
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Speaker 1: go by like guy by guy. Let's just like bullet
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Speaker 1: point guy by guy. Let's take a quick break before
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Speaker 1: we do that. Gabby and Rachel in Mexico this week
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Speaker 1: the famous Vedanta. I don't know how long of a
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Speaker 1: contract this show. It's a different da it's a different one.
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Speaker 1: It's I think it's a newer one in Rivera Maya. Yes,
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Speaker 1: when we were in Paradise, they were talking about how
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Speaker 1: they were like on Vedanta overload because the producers had
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Speaker 1: spent like two months there collectively between the two seasons.
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Speaker 1: That makes more. I didn't catch onto that. I didn't
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Speaker 1: realize it was like, okay, so this is a newer Vedanta.
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Speaker 1: It's not the one in Portavarta that the show kind
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Speaker 1: of houses at four Paradise. It's kind of the headquarters.
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Speaker 1: The Vedanta is a beautiful property. I have nothing but
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Speaker 1: good things to say about it. I've had a great
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Speaker 1: time there in my short and few stays. But they
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Speaker 1: are at the Vedanta and the Revere Maya. This is
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Speaker 1: obviously the scene is set because this is a big week,
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Speaker 1: because both Rachel and Gabby under and and remember how
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Speaker 1: it went down during their times as contestants, and they're
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Speaker 1: taking it very serious, not only for the physical intimacy
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Speaker 1: and what their their physical compatibility is with each of
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Speaker 1: their contestants, but they also understand the feelings of each
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Speaker 1: of their contestants because of their time on Clayton's season,
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Speaker 1: which starts us with Gabby's first overnight date with Eric Ashley.
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Speaker 1: Walk us through it. Okay, so the first date is
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Speaker 1: full of bachelor puns with jumping and falling into love
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Speaker 1: and it's so corny, but basically they're just jumping off
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Speaker 1: of these platforms into the water. Uh. The bottom line
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Speaker 1: is with this this date, I kiss her front runner.
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Speaker 1: She ends up saying to him she's falling in love
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Speaker 1: with him, and he like, he says he's past the
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Speaker 1: point of falling. He's actually in love with her, doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to leave without her. She's as that, you know,
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Speaker 1: she sees a feature with him and he makes her
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Speaker 1: feel safe no matter what. And I have to say, like,
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Speaker 1: and I know I feel like I'm saying this is
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Speaker 1: a broken record over and over again the past few seasons,
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Speaker 1: but like, I'm really not understanding where the love is
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Speaker 1: coming from. In these moments of declaration. I feel it
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Speaker 1: at times like I felt it with Um, was it Tina?
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Speaker 1: I guess I did feel it with Tino in Rachel
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Speaker 1: in this episode, but I don't feel like the romantic
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Speaker 1: moments is what I'm trying to say, the romantic moments,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not understanding where the bonds are coming from
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Speaker 1: the connections because I haven't seen enough connecting moments. All
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Speaker 1: I remember seeing with these couples is them being like, hey,
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Speaker 1: like I have feelings for you, I have feelings for you.
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Speaker 1: Oh hey, I'm falling in love with thee in love
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Speaker 1: with you. But I'm like, where are you bonding to
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Speaker 1: get this falling in love to happen? Well, I think
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Speaker 1: in past seasons we've had these moments, these one on
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Speaker 1: one dates where I think we've explained it in the
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Speaker 1: past where it feels like when you're watching the show,
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Speaker 1: their world stop, you know what I'm saying, Like there's
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Speaker 1: no other It's it's like you you're watching them and
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Speaker 1: you see that the cameras and the conversation. Honestly, I
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Speaker 1: feel like it happens most seasons when the conversation stops
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Speaker 1: and you just see them fall in love and at peace,
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Speaker 1: and they're just good now being in the silence with
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Speaker 1: each other. I think with this season, all we've seen
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Speaker 1: is conversation. We haven't seen those quiet, still moments that
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Speaker 1: make us go these people just really like to be
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Speaker 1: around each other. They just really like to to be
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Speaker 1: close to each other because we've I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it's due to so much content that the quiet moments
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Speaker 1: can't be seen. But even like you said, sometimes during
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Speaker 1: this episode, I was like, hey, stop talking and just
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Speaker 1: be with each other for a second. Like I don't
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Speaker 1: need to hear you talk about this random stuff all
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Speaker 1: the time. I just want to see you tube sit
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Speaker 1: and watch the stars, or sit and look at the ocean,
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Speaker 1: or just sit together. Like the comfort doesn't seem to
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Speaker 1: be shown. It might be there, I'm just not seeing
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Speaker 1: it when I watched these episodes. Okay, so you just
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Speaker 1: brought up a great point, and it's weird that ironic
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Speaker 1: the couples that flashed in front of my eyes. When
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Speaker 1: I thought of those moments, I thought Emily and Jeff
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Speaker 1: playing with puppets in Europe. I thought of Nick and
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Speaker 1: Vanessa in that flying machine saying the zero gravity room.
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Speaker 1: Those are moments yeah, and you're like, that's it, that's
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Speaker 1: the person and you know it right off the bat.
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Speaker 1: But I haven't had any of those moments this season
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Speaker 1: where I'm like, that's the person. Yeah, that's the moment. Well,
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Speaker 1: what do you think about as we're on Eric? Then?
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Speaker 1: What do you think about his concerns and how he
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Speaker 1: brings them up about you know, his feelings for Gabby
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Speaker 1: but knowing there's still other people involved. Okay, before I
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Speaker 1: go into that, I just want to mention that last
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Speaker 1: week was probably a bonding moment for them with the dad,
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Speaker 1: but definitely in a different sense. That was like a
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Speaker 1: humanity bonding moment, not necessarily romantic bonding moment. I feel
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Speaker 1: like anybody would feel really close after experiencing that together well,
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Speaker 1: and it was very vulnerable for all sides involved. I
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Speaker 1: will say for to speak on that for a second,
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Speaker 1: what I do wish because I feel like we didn't
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Speaker 1: see enough of the follow up from that, Like how
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Speaker 1: did Gabby console Eric? Like that had to be hard
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Speaker 1: for him, it had to be really hard to then
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Speaker 1: leave his dad again, and I'm sure she did. I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying she did it. I'm not saying this is
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Speaker 1: not a part of her. I just don't know if
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Speaker 1: I saw enough of it. Be Like, man, that's that
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Speaker 1: is a relationship, right, That is there is not only
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Speaker 1: this experience going on, but then they're also connecting far
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Speaker 1: outside of this experience and talking about stuff that's very
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Speaker 1: real and very hard and very difficult. I don't I
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Speaker 1: didn't see enough of that. I wanted to see more
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Speaker 1: of that, Like how are they sitting in silence? Like
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Speaker 1: has did he? Did he get emotional? How did she
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Speaker 1: handle it when he got emotional? I mean we saw
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but maybe I'm just selfish, but I
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Speaker 1: just wanted more. You wanted more tears. I wanted more realness,
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Speaker 1: like I wanted. I love when the show feels like
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Speaker 1: this crosses over from a television show to reality and
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Speaker 1: you know that's what's happening on the show we're watching
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Speaker 1: is deeply affecting their lives in the real world. And
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Speaker 1: I know that was one of those moments. It had
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Speaker 1: to be for Eric. Yeah, you know he did have
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Speaker 1: that moment in this episode where he said, like I'm
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Speaker 1: getting emotional reminiscing on it. Okay, but so give him
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Speaker 1: a little credit there. I guess I'm not saying he's
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Speaker 1: not doing it. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying
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Speaker 1: we're not we're not seeing it, like, not that it's
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Speaker 1: not happening, We're just not able to watch it as
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Speaker 1: a viewer for whatever. Yeah, I think it has to
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Speaker 1: be happening. I know what's happening. I know. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: the point is that it's totally happening. We're not seeing
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Speaker 1: it because these people are actually in love and we
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Speaker 1: can feel the love a little bit and the moment
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Speaker 1: in which they're saying it to each other, but we
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Speaker 1: really want to know that the journey in and see
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Speaker 1: those yeah, those moments of silence. Anyway, moving on to
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Speaker 1: my overall thoughts on eric situation is I leave this
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Speaker 1: just being like, Okay, Eric is probably her peck. It's
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Speaker 1: just my gut says that's her pick. But you know
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Speaker 1: what I am surprised by. We were talking about being lacked,
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Speaker 1: having a lack of surprises, but I actually am surprised
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Speaker 1: by the amount that the girls are throwing around the
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Speaker 1: falling in love, I'm in love, lu blah. Because I
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Speaker 1: thought we were going to go back to an old
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Speaker 1: tradition of a free ben Higgins where we don't say
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Speaker 1: anything like that until the final rows ceremony. But do
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like we used to never
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Speaker 1: ever say it until like the final rose was given out,
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Speaker 1: And with these girls, it was so hurtful that they
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Speaker 1: had to hear it from Clayton when he was saying
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Speaker 1: it to multiple people that I thought they were totally
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Speaker 1: going to reserve it to for the end, and I
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Speaker 1: think that Gabby is reserving it a little bit for
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Speaker 1: the end. She does say, well, okay, Gabby says she
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Speaker 1: is more than falling in love with Eric, but I
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Speaker 1: don't think she said she doesn't say it directly to him.
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Speaker 1: Can I can I just take a second here and say,
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Speaker 1: am I now validated a little bit? Like? Can I
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Speaker 1: at least? Can can we at least say that what
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Speaker 1: I did, which what I never would claim was the
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Speaker 1: smartest or wisest decision, at least has some validation to it. Oh? Ben,
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Speaker 1: I mean I am totally I understand why and how
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Speaker 1: you did it. I don't get any public to be like, hey,
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Speaker 1: it's been six years, but we're really sorry, Ben, like
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Speaker 1: really we really you know, we messed up. We got
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Speaker 1: so mad at you, no no, Ben, that was like
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Speaker 1: the most minor thing. It was the most minor of
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Speaker 1: all offenses. It just started a trend, that's all. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: just open up the flug it. Okay. Well, um, I
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Speaker 1: I am surprised as you are. I thought I just
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Speaker 1: thought these they would be very hesitant. But it's also
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Speaker 1: at some level, even if we're not seeing it, even
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Speaker 1: if we're not feeling how they're falling in love with
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Speaker 1: each other, we got to assume that they are. And
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Speaker 1: so these moments are very um special. If you're a
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Speaker 1: fan of the show, right, you wait for these connections
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Speaker 1: to be formed, and so you know, from my perspective,
17:43
Speaker 1: we say something's happening that we're you know that that
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Speaker 1: that is unique and it is working now. If it
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Speaker 1: will work in the next couple episodes, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I do think at this point Eric is who
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Speaker 1: Gabby would like to be with it. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if he is going to end up with Gabby, but
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Speaker 1: he is my front runner after this. Okay, So then
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Speaker 1: you asked me about the moment on the bridge, which
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Speaker 1: does happen later in the episode, but we'll stay with Eric.
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Speaker 1: He comes, He writes a letter, a note that says,
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Speaker 1: meet me at the bridge. I need to see you,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, it's Jason and
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Speaker 1: he's about to break up with her. What did you
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Speaker 1: think it was? I probably had the same feeling. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think I had the same thought of this has
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Speaker 1: just been so uncomfortable for Jason, and this is just
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Speaker 1: getting more uncomfortable that he is going to remove himself.
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Speaker 1: That's what I think they teat it up. You know,
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Speaker 1: he was talking with Jesse. He said I am not
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Speaker 1: in love with her yet, I'm getting there, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh god, this is Jesse probably said off camera,
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Speaker 1: you know, or didn't make the cut, something along the
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Speaker 1: lines of, well, if you're not there yet, you should
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Speaker 1: probably talk to her. And I thought that note was
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Speaker 1: him meeting here at the bridge, and then she was
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Speaker 1: going to be left with one guy, the one guy
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Speaker 1: that I think that she wants to end up with.
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Speaker 1: But regardless, it's again that feeling of rejection. You don't
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Speaker 1: want to be the bachelorette and then kind of be
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Speaker 1: like dumped and left with one, even if it was
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Speaker 1: your one. Anyway, going back to their conversation on the bridge,
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Speaker 1: these fantasy sweet conversations are so loaded and I have
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Speaker 1: different feelings every single time. They had a conversation behind
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Speaker 1: the closed doors of the fantasy suite that we don't
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Speaker 1: know a lot of contacts too, but we know that
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Speaker 1: they basically from what it seems. She was like, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go forward with the other fantasy sweets I'm
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Speaker 1: going to explore each of these relationships fully. She was
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Speaker 1: super transparent about it, and he seemed to understand and accept,
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Speaker 1: And now this conversation the bridge has her wondering if
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Speaker 1: he is truly accepting it. She thinks it's a test.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just like I feel the other
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Speaker 1: person on the other side a um, because it's just
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Speaker 1: such a weird environment. She said that he said that
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Speaker 1: it seems like cheating this week if she were to
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Speaker 1: be with anybody else, because that's how solid he feels
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Speaker 1: like they are. I understand that is selfish, that is
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Speaker 1: not the way that this process goes. But I also
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Speaker 1: think it's okay for him to be vocal about it.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Am I wrong? I don't think
20:30
Speaker 1: you're wrong at all. I mean, I think there's so
20:33
Speaker 1: much nuance to these situations. I don't know if I
20:36
Speaker 1: would want if I'm looking at this scenario. Okay, if
20:40
Speaker 1: I'm Gabby, I don't know if i'd want Eric being like,
20:43
Speaker 1: you know what, I feel really good about these other
20:46
Speaker 1: fantasy feet exactly. I was gonna say, can we twist
20:50
Speaker 1: this conversation and just say in him going up to
20:52
Speaker 1: her and being like, Hey, just want to let you
20:53
Speaker 1: know you're in the middle of this week and I
20:56
Speaker 1: want you to have fun. Yeah, I hope you're enjoying
20:59
Speaker 1: every reman fully. I just I mean, I think that
21:04
Speaker 1: might in some relationships be I mean, that's what's unique
21:08
Speaker 1: is sometimes we see that during this show, where people
21:11
Speaker 1: are like, I just want you to explore it, and
21:12
Speaker 1: if it's me at the end, I'm happy to be there.
21:14
Speaker 1: I also think there is a level of um emotion
21:20
Speaker 1: if he's in love with her, where he's like, I
21:22
Speaker 1: can't imagine you doing this with anybody else. I can
21:25
Speaker 1: imagine you having whatever kind of moment you're gonna have
21:28
Speaker 1: with anybody else, because in my eyes, like you are mine,
21:32
Speaker 1: like you you and I are together now. I also
21:37
Speaker 1: think then you have to give some idea or some
21:41
Speaker 1: consideration to the fact that they are in this experience
21:44
Speaker 1: and this is the next like, this is a thing
21:46
Speaker 1: that happens. It is the format of the show. It
21:49
Speaker 1: it happens every season. I don't mind him sharing that
21:53
Speaker 1: it makes him feel weird. I don't know if I
21:57
Speaker 1: love the it feels like cheating to me, because that
22:01
Speaker 1: is a that is obviously a very big claim, and
22:06
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's enough clarity around that to
22:10
Speaker 1: be like, it feels like cheating to me. I'm not
22:13
Speaker 1: going to consider it cheating. It's not a deal breaker.
22:16
Speaker 1: Just know that it's really hard for me to understand
22:19
Speaker 1: and process right now. I don't you know. I don't
22:22
Speaker 1: know how that like that. Again, the nuance of those
22:25
Speaker 1: conversations existed. I don't love an ultimatum ever, on the
22:29
Speaker 1: show or in life. I don't think this was an ultimatum.
22:32
Speaker 1: But as she said, is it a test? Yeah? But
22:35
Speaker 1: but again, I don't know if I love the idea
22:37
Speaker 1: of being a test. You don't test your partner. Do
22:40
Speaker 1: you think it's a test? I don't think so, I must,
22:44
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to give the benefit of
22:45
Speaker 1: the doubt here to say, I bet he is all
22:48
Speaker 1: up in his own head. I bet he is so confused,
22:52
Speaker 1: and this is really hard, and I think he really
22:54
Speaker 1: cares about her, and he said things probably didn't come
22:57
Speaker 1: out perfectly, probably needed some like clarity and some some
23:02
Speaker 1: more words and emotion wrapped around it. But I would
23:07
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like it if he's testing her,
23:09
Speaker 1: Like I don't like it if he's like, well, hey
23:10
Speaker 1: you failed that one. Uh sorry, we're not together. That
23:14
Speaker 1: wouldn't be fair. And I don't see him doing that.
23:16
Speaker 1: I don't see it. Yeah, so I know, I don't
23:19
Speaker 1: think it's a test, but I do think he's trying
23:23
Speaker 1: to explain that, like this is really hard for him
23:25
Speaker 1: to understand, and I and hey, come on, like it is.
23:29
Speaker 1: It's weird, it's very awkward. It's very you know, abnormal
23:34
Speaker 1: for some couples to be at this stage in their
23:38
Speaker 1: relationship in a few days. I mean I went through
23:41
Speaker 1: this like a few days before. You are, you know,
23:46
Speaker 1: walking away into the sunset with somebody. You're also still
23:49
Speaker 1: dating somebody else up until the hour beforehand. That's weird,
23:53
Speaker 1: that's not normal, that's not like. I don't know if
23:56
Speaker 1: it's healthy. So yeah, you're you're not used to these emotions.
24:00
Speaker 1: So no, I don't know if it's a test. I
24:02
Speaker 1: don't want to assume it's a test. Gabby obviously feels
24:04
Speaker 1: like it's a test. That's not probably good. They need
24:07
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Yeah, all right, we'll see how
24:11
Speaker 1: it unfolds. This conversation truly left me anxious for the
24:15
Speaker 1: next episode, and I'm not sure I felt that way
24:18
Speaker 1: so far this season. I'm pretty excited to press play
24:21
Speaker 1: on the next episode. So I'll say that while it
24:24
Speaker 1: might be an emotional but a point of emotional turmoil
24:28
Speaker 1: for them, for me as an audience member, I'm into it. Yeah,
24:32
Speaker 1: you're engaged. So that's it worked. That's why it was shown.
24:36
Speaker 1: We got up next Rachel and Avan's overnight date. I've
24:39
Speaker 1: been a fan of Avan this whole time. I feel
24:41
Speaker 1: like he is the silent kind of like the sneaky
24:46
Speaker 1: pick here. Uh. He's obviously stood out since beginning. He's
24:50
Speaker 1: been kind, he's been he's good looking. They have good chemistry.
24:55
Speaker 1: I don't feel like we know I don't know if
24:57
Speaker 1: I know Aven well, I don't know him at all.
25:00
Speaker 1: This is a huge point that I wanted to make
25:02
Speaker 1: in this this podcast. We have not been getting enough
25:05
Speaker 1: in the moment. I tm interviews from these guys we
25:08
Speaker 1: have not been getting enough interviews in general from these guys.
25:11
Speaker 1: They're not narrating the show whatsoever. It's all the girls narrating.
25:16
Speaker 1: And I think that is where we are feeling a
25:19
Speaker 1: disconnect because you know, like back in maybe in every season,
25:24
Speaker 1: but I can take it to my my season personally
25:27
Speaker 1: a little bit more because, like I remember certain sound
25:30
Speaker 1: bites and such, the girls really the cast narrated the
25:34
Speaker 1: season a lot, and we had lots of funny little bits,
25:39
Speaker 1: little bites, you know, little sound bites ever here and
25:42
Speaker 1: there that you really there's like a lot of personality.
25:45
Speaker 1: You're able to tell the personality is someone if not
25:48
Speaker 1: on a date, through the sound bites, through the interview clips,
25:53
Speaker 1: and with these guys, we get nothing. These guys are
25:55
Speaker 1: so boring in the interview room. Well, do you think
26:00
Speaker 1: they're boring in general? Then I don't think so. Actually,
26:03
Speaker 1: I think they're bad interviews, And I think that that
26:06
Speaker 1: might be why we're feeling. We're not feeling um their
26:09
Speaker 1: personalities come through, yeah, because like the iconic moments are
26:13
Speaker 1: the memes that you've created or that other contestants have created,
26:17
Speaker 1: the funny like you said, sound bites or for you
26:20
Speaker 1: the tears of emotion that sometimes made no sense on
26:23
Speaker 1: why you're crying when you're crying. But that's like why
26:26
Speaker 1: we fall in love with Ashley is she's we know
26:29
Speaker 1: who she is, she's emotional, and we're showing the fact
26:31
Speaker 1: that she gets emotional over everything. She laughed, cries when
26:36
Speaker 1: you know. When the producer asked her about like how
26:39
Speaker 1: our current current feelings are, She's like, this is so
26:41
Speaker 1: I'm I'm referring to myself and she but it's like
26:45
Speaker 1: I feel so ridiculous or feeling this that I'm laughing
26:48
Speaker 1: and crying at the same time. You are not getting
26:51
Speaker 1: anything from these guys. They are like freaking paint on
26:56
Speaker 1: watching paint on, whatever that expression is. They are not
27:00
Speaker 1: dynamic in the interview room, and we need more of
27:02
Speaker 1: this watching pain dry. Uh So, yeah, I think that
27:07
Speaker 1: we're missing that, and I think that that's one of
27:09
Speaker 1: the reasons we don't know even very well. He seems
27:11
Speaker 1: so sweet and pleasant and so attractive, and he literally
27:15
Speaker 1: has not done a thing quote quote wrong or suspicious
27:20
Speaker 1: or that made you go like everything has been lovely
27:24
Speaker 1: with him, But we don't have a lot of um.
27:27
Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of dynamic moments from him.
27:41
Speaker 1: Can I make a comparison, Yeah, I feel like Even
27:45
Speaker 1: and Jason are one of the reasons why this is happening,
27:48
Speaker 1: are very similar to where this is probably just really
27:50
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for them. They don't shine uh in a group
27:54
Speaker 1: dating environment on a national television show, and so they've
27:57
Speaker 1: been more reserved. They're probably there that they seem like
28:01
Speaker 1: great guys, they're just uncomfortable. And so sometimes at the end,
28:06
Speaker 1: we have big personalities. Most of the time, at the end,
28:08
Speaker 1: we have the biggest personalities are the ones that still
28:11
Speaker 1: are around, and so we hear a lot from these
28:13
Speaker 1: big personalities, and for whatever reason, this is gabbing Rachel's journey.
28:17
Speaker 1: But they both have somebody in their group that maybe
28:20
Speaker 1: is a little more reserved, a little more uncomfortable, and
28:23
Speaker 1: so we're not hearing it. And then we have Tino,
28:25
Speaker 1: you know, who's an all mixed bag of emotions right now,
28:28
Speaker 1: who you know is very like is having a hard
28:33
Speaker 1: time with this whole process also, but I think he's
28:35
Speaker 1: a big personality, he's just having a hard hard time.
28:39
Speaker 1: And so we have two guys that are a little
28:40
Speaker 1: lot more reserved that you expect, don't usually get there
28:43
Speaker 1: at the end, but we have them, so we're not
28:45
Speaker 1: seeing a lot. Yeah, you can tell that Tino is
28:48
Speaker 1: just a chattier person in real life probably, Okay, um okay,
28:53
Speaker 1: But back to Avon, I have not much to say
28:56
Speaker 1: because it continues to be this like sweet, like everything
29:01
Speaker 1: is lovely thing and she apparently really liked her fantasy
29:04
Speaker 1: sheet moment for him. He is the full package, she says.
29:08
Speaker 1: He says that they slept for twenty minutes. Uh, and
29:11
Speaker 1: then she says that she's falling in love with him
29:15
Speaker 1: and that. You know, That's when I was like, whoa,
29:17
Speaker 1: she's saying it. And then I was shocked that she
29:20
Speaker 1: went and said that she was in love with Tino.
29:22
Speaker 1: So that just gives it all away, right, Yeah, it does. Uh.
29:26
Speaker 1: It's a little frustrating. Uh not because I think Tino
29:30
Speaker 1: is a terrible choice. I'm just you know, you have
29:33
Speaker 1: people like Evan who are kind of doing this thing
29:36
Speaker 1: well and walking through it well. And then you know,
29:40
Speaker 1: in the back of her mind she's like, yeah, but
29:41
Speaker 1: I'm just into somebody else. I'm wondering how blinded maybe
29:44
Speaker 1: she is right now to what she thought she was
29:47
Speaker 1: going to feel for Tino to now what she thinks
29:49
Speaker 1: she feels for Tino and like the other guys are
29:54
Speaker 1: just gonna kind of get put on the back burner,
29:55
Speaker 1: which brings up Tino because Jesse goes to see Tino
29:58
Speaker 1: in the next scene, right, and he basically just talks
30:02
Speaker 1: about how the family visit was complicated. Um. He says
30:07
Speaker 1: that there's like obviously this is something that they're going
30:09
Speaker 1: to need to talk about. Um. He says that that
30:16
Speaker 1: the waiting game, you know, just waiting for that last
30:19
Speaker 1: what was that her that was not her last you know,
30:21
Speaker 1: waiting throughout the week knowing that she's you know, sleeping
30:25
Speaker 1: over possibly with other guys, is just the worst nails
30:29
Speaker 1: a shockboard, he says. UM. And he says that his
30:34
Speaker 1: dad took an interest and asked tough questions and it
30:40
Speaker 1: was obviously concerned that Rachel walked out of the house
30:42
Speaker 1: thinking that he did not like her. Um. He says
30:46
Speaker 1: that the day that he was like naturally skeptical his
30:49
Speaker 1: dad and that she was caught off guard by it.
30:52
Speaker 1: Again like I don't think that he knows the extent
30:56
Speaker 1: of which, like the dad was not friendly. Well and
30:59
Speaker 1: now see and based on our headlines, you know, Tino's
31:02
Speaker 1: dad has been pretty vocal on Facebook about that date
31:06
Speaker 1: and about that time, and so he did take an interest.
31:11
Speaker 1: I I just you know, I think a little bit
31:14
Speaker 1: of this is too I don't know, when you're a parent,
31:19
Speaker 1: like I said, you don't want to be overcritical. It's
31:21
Speaker 1: a weird situation. But you also don't want to set
31:23
Speaker 1: your kids up to be in in a harder situation
31:25
Speaker 1: than they already are. This is a weird thing to navigate,
31:28
Speaker 1: and so don't be the thing that gets in the middle.
31:32
Speaker 1: Uh maybe in life of them taking chances, in pursuing
31:37
Speaker 1: their dreams and their loves and their interests, you just
31:40
Speaker 1: want to be the one that stands in the middle
31:41
Speaker 1: of that. M hm. And so I think at some
31:45
Speaker 1: point here it kind of feels like it's it's overshadowing
31:51
Speaker 1: maybe what they have. Yeah, the first part of their
31:54
Speaker 1: day is all about her like resisting and like being
31:58
Speaker 1: scared to fall for him more because she's just worried
32:03
Speaker 1: that they're going to get engaged and then they're still
32:06
Speaker 1: not going to have family support and then it's going
32:08
Speaker 1: to complicate things and you know, but then she seems
32:11
Speaker 1: to really get over that during the nighttime portion. Um, again,
32:16
Speaker 1: Tino is kind of well Rachel's Rachel says, your dad
32:20
Speaker 1: said I won't disown him. This is the proper quote
32:24
Speaker 1: that I was referring to earlier. I won't disown him
32:28
Speaker 1: if he gets engaged, but I won't accept it. That
32:31
Speaker 1: is bad. That's way worse than what I had said previously. Yeah,
32:37
Speaker 1: and then Tina goes, really, and Rachel's like, yeah, I'm
32:41
Speaker 1: kind of worried up moving forward. And he goes, well, um,
32:44
Speaker 1: my dad doesn't get me necessarily in the relationships sphere,
32:50
Speaker 1: and he says that they're skeptical of the situation. Um,
32:54
Speaker 1: but they know him and he wouldn't be here if
32:58
Speaker 1: he didn't see her as his future. And then Rachel
33:02
Speaker 1: wants them to make you know. She was like, okay,
33:05
Speaker 1: so if we get engaged, like, I do not want
33:08
Speaker 1: them to be mad. And then he goes, they won't
33:10
Speaker 1: be mad. I know that they will come around. And
33:14
Speaker 1: that's basically the way that it ends, and she feels
33:18
Speaker 1: more reassured. Yeah, hey, I know they'll come around. That's
33:22
Speaker 1: not what you want to hear when you're engaged. Um,
33:25
Speaker 1: they my parents will like you at some point. Uh. Yeah,
33:28
Speaker 1: that that's not exactly ideal, but it does come around,
33:34
Speaker 1: and so we get to the evening portion. Then after
33:37
Speaker 1: this conversation exists, do you still feel I mean we
33:41
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit. Do you still feel like Rachel,
33:43
Speaker 1: you know, have a connection that could exist and last
33:46
Speaker 1: outside of this show, past this show, And do you
33:48
Speaker 1: still feel like he's your front runner? I still feel
33:51
Speaker 1: like he's the front runner because he said because she said,
33:54
Speaker 1: I'm in love with you. There was no falling here,
33:57
Speaker 1: there is just being. So he's definitely the front runner.
34:01
Speaker 1: And I think that there's just more of a physical
34:03
Speaker 1: connection that she has with him then the other guys.
34:06
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of physical attraction. There is
34:10
Speaker 1: just um, he's got a little bit more of an
34:13
Speaker 1: edge of a swag than the other two do. The
34:16
Speaker 1: other two are wonderful options. But I do think that
34:20
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like sexy, suave, like hot guy,
34:23
Speaker 1: like the one that you like, the one he's like
34:27
Speaker 1: like the hawkeye in high school, that a lot of
34:30
Speaker 1: us are gravitated towards because back in high school, like
34:34
Speaker 1: we were in like the the middle of the line,
34:37
Speaker 1: you know, like we didn't get the popular guys, and
34:39
Speaker 1: I feel like this is kind of like the popular
34:41
Speaker 1: guy and he wants her. Yeah, I have no idea.
34:43
Speaker 1: She was probably popular in school too, and probably got
34:45
Speaker 1: any guys she wanted. I'm just looking at it from
34:47
Speaker 1: my perspective. You're putting yourself in the story. That's okay, Yeah,
34:50
Speaker 1: that's fair. Well. Uh, they have their overnight and we
34:55
Speaker 1: see Gabby going the overnight, which is probably the biggest
34:59
Speaker 1: moment I'd say so far in the show. Is the
35:02
Speaker 1: Johnny and Gabby overnight or not there but at least
35:07
Speaker 1: prepping for it, right Yeah, Okay, I'll let you break
35:11
Speaker 1: it down. But I have a question that I would
35:13
Speaker 1: love to be answered that I want your opinion on.
35:16
Speaker 1: Do you feel like this had this scenario that you're
35:19
Speaker 1: gonna walk us through here had anything to do with
35:21
Speaker 1: Eric's words to Gabby in the fantasy suite, the fact
35:26
Speaker 1: that she basically didn't go ahead with another overnight right here. Um,
35:32
Speaker 1: I actually don't feel like they're related, but it's an
35:36
Speaker 1: interesting point. I think that we saw Johnny's hometown and
35:43
Speaker 1: he was obviously telling his parents openly how he was
35:48
Speaker 1: not ready to get engaged, and their conversation, I mean
35:53
Speaker 1: I just feel like he was like the weak man
35:56
Speaker 1: of these three between Jason and Eric and Johnny. He's
36:00
Speaker 1: definitely like the weak link where they have fun together,
36:04
Speaker 1: but we don't see it as this great love. And again,
36:07
Speaker 1: like on the boat, you're seeing them like have fun together,
36:11
Speaker 1: talk about boats. You're like she had a hamster and
36:15
Speaker 1: he had a catamaran or something like that. You just
36:19
Speaker 1: don't feel like this deep connection. And then we just
36:23
Speaker 1: circled around the conversation for so long as they sat
36:28
Speaker 1: on the sand, waiting eventually to get to this point
36:32
Speaker 1: where it's like, so I need to get engaged, and
36:35
Speaker 1: then he goes, but I don't think I'm ready to
36:38
Speaker 1: get engaged, and and then she's like, Okay, well, um,
36:44
Speaker 1: this is sad because basically I have a man in
36:47
Speaker 1: front of me saying he doesn't like me enough to
36:49
Speaker 1: get engaged next week, which I think has to be.
36:53
Speaker 1: You have to respect it. You have to respect if
36:55
Speaker 1: the the process isn't, yeah, you can't get him for that.
36:59
Speaker 1: But again, you sign up for the show and you
37:02
Speaker 1: kind of know that that's what happens at the end,
37:04
Speaker 1: but it's all in whatever time. Do you feel comfortable
37:06
Speaker 1: with some people probably would never think they're going to
37:09
Speaker 1: get engaged after eight weeks and they're fine with it
37:12
Speaker 1: and they live happily. Ever after then some people are
37:14
Speaker 1: probably like down for it and it's a mistake from
37:18
Speaker 1: them anyway. I really just think that they were just
37:22
Speaker 1: circling the conversation over and over again, and Johnny said
37:26
Speaker 1: this really funny. Johnny was like, I don't know how
37:28
Speaker 1: I feel. I feel numb. I am upset. I was like,
37:32
Speaker 1: this is why we don't have any I T moments
37:35
Speaker 1: for them. This is this is, this is it. They
37:38
Speaker 1: cannot describe I I am not. There's no way to
37:44
Speaker 1: villainize a moment where you like, I know I sent
37:46
Speaker 1: up for a show that INDs and engagement, but I'm
37:48
Speaker 1: just not there yet. I would like this show to
37:51
Speaker 1: be more like that, where we're at the end and
37:53
Speaker 1: we're like, I don't know, like you know, I know
37:56
Speaker 1: they like each other, but are they ready to make
37:58
Speaker 1: this big commitment. Yeah. I'm mostly because I'm just tired
38:01
Speaker 1: of people breaking up. Which, hey, I'm in that group,
38:03
Speaker 1: so I can't like I'm not critical. I just I
38:06
Speaker 1: would like to know when somebody does get down on
38:08
Speaker 1: one knee at the end, They're like, no, I'm doing
38:10
Speaker 1: this because I mean it, not because I feel like
38:12
Speaker 1: the show is making me or because I this is
38:14
Speaker 1: what I signed up for. I've said that for years. Um. Yeah,
38:18
Speaker 1: and just to date afterwards even and we can follow
38:20
Speaker 1: that story if we want, but we'd probably just move
38:22
Speaker 1: on to the next season anyways. But yeah, I don't
38:27
Speaker 1: think you can villainize him. But I also think it
38:29
Speaker 1: is funny that you pointed out that he did say
38:31
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel I feel no, I'm just
38:33
Speaker 1: sat or whatever. I feel nothing. I feel no, I
38:36
Speaker 1: feel upset all at once, you know, sequential sentence or whatever.
38:42
Speaker 1: This is just too much for me. I've never talked
38:43
Speaker 1: about my emotions before. This is weird. Yeah. Well, I
38:46
Speaker 1: think with Johnny is that he's just been overall nice,
38:50
Speaker 1: honest guy. He's really never hidden anything. There's nothing to
38:53
Speaker 1: get on him for because he's been transparent the entire
38:56
Speaker 1: way through Yeah, even through the group dates. I agree
38:59
Speaker 1: with that. Well, Uh, Johnny's not there any longer. He
39:02
Speaker 1: goes home. Ah, And it's mostly I mean, I don't
39:07
Speaker 1: know how much has to do with the Eric's words
39:09
Speaker 1: to Gabby, but I do think it's probably the the
39:12
Speaker 1: right decision because this relationship heavy in its course. Yeah.
39:17
Speaker 1: I mean nobody walked away from that scene being like, ah,
39:21
Speaker 1: they lost their great love. Yeah, I like, I get
39:24
Speaker 1: it fair. Okay, a couple more scenes here, Ashley to
39:28
Speaker 1: walk us through h Jesse does visit Jason, who is
39:33
Speaker 1: uh still part of Gabby's group. Jason has been more
39:37
Speaker 1: reserved and more quiet throughout the whole season, but Gabby
39:40
Speaker 1: has obviously felt something very strong for him through this
39:42
Speaker 1: whole season as well. Yeah, and we get this sound
39:47
Speaker 1: bite from Jason who's basically says he's, like I said earlier,
39:52
Speaker 1: not in love with Gabby, yet he's getting there, and
39:57
Speaker 1: this just has him leaving written all over it, especially
40:02
Speaker 1: since we have the other sound bite of Jesse saying
40:06
Speaker 1: there's a guy there, Gabby or Rachel, you are the
40:10
Speaker 1: only bachelor at remaining. So in my head, that means
40:14
Speaker 1: that Gabby is left with just Eric and perhaps she's
40:20
Speaker 1: not sold on Eric after this quote testing scene, and
40:26
Speaker 1: that's why we hear her saying, like, am I did
40:29
Speaker 1: she use your word? Did she say she's unlovable or
40:32
Speaker 1: something like that? So I think that's a big tease.
40:37
Speaker 1: I think she's gonna end up with Eric, but I
40:41
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be easy or there's gonna
40:43
Speaker 1: be like some romantic engagement scene. We've actually, like have
40:47
Speaker 1: no teasing clips of an engagement scene, right, have we
40:51
Speaker 1: seen like the guys like walking up with Well, I
40:54
Speaker 1: guess obviously we're not seeing the guys, but we're not
40:56
Speaker 1: seeing any rings being picked out or anything like that,
41:00
Speaker 1: So who knows? Which makes me think that they there's
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Speaker 1: an engagement scene like that. You do, Yeah, like they're
41:06
Speaker 1: hiding it from us because they want us to be surprised. Okay,
41:10
Speaker 1: that's so that's where my mind goes. Okay, but do
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Speaker 1: you agree with me that you think that Gabby is
41:15
Speaker 1: going to be left with just the pick of Eric. Yeah,
41:17
Speaker 1: and I think she's happy with it. Yeah, she's happy
41:20
Speaker 1: with it. And look, look Eric, he didn't She didn't
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Speaker 1: sleep with anybody else because nobody else is around. So
41:29
Speaker 1: there you go. Well, final scene, we brought it up
41:32
Speaker 1: a little bit before Ashley, you teased it. Gabby thinks
41:37
Speaker 1: she's going to see her grandpa Um, but Eric just
41:41
Speaker 1: wants to see her. This is kind of the end
41:45
Speaker 1: of the episode. Is the big teaser for our next episode,
41:49
Speaker 1: which obviously we get two episodes this week. Ah, walk
41:53
Speaker 1: us through it? Well, you know, we we did have.
41:57
Speaker 1: We didn't cover most of it, but we do. I
41:59
Speaker 1: do want to talk about how Gabby left it. She
42:02
Speaker 1: said she's questioning if he will be her guy, or
42:05
Speaker 1: if Jason will be her guy. And she says that people, um,
42:09
Speaker 1: she says people she wants to love her never do
42:15
Speaker 1: and she hopes this doesn't end up in a dumpster fire,
42:18
Speaker 1: but it feels like it could be the end for her.
42:21
Speaker 1: Like those are big, big words. Do you feel like?
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Speaker 1: Am I wrong in saying those words alone? Almost feel
42:28
Speaker 1: like they're hinting at if Eric leaves, this thing is
42:30
Speaker 1: kind of over for me. I don't think it's I
42:34
Speaker 1: don't think Eric's going to leave, even if she sleeps
42:38
Speaker 1: with everyone and he finds out about it. I think
42:42
Speaker 1: she's trying. She's questioning whether or not she wants to
42:47
Speaker 1: be with Eric, a guy who's bringing this conversation up
42:51
Speaker 1: to her after he was already done in a fantasy suite. Okay.
42:55
Speaker 1: I think she's thinking like he's making this conversation public
42:59
Speaker 1: and I don't like that because we've established it in
43:02
Speaker 1: private and it was important that it stayed private to me,
43:05
Speaker 1: which is why I think she kind of called them
43:06
Speaker 1: out on it. I don't know, maybe I'm looking to
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Speaker 1: into it, okay. My my thought to you is, I
43:12
Speaker 1: don't know if it's okay for you in this scenario
43:14
Speaker 1: to be like, I don't know. I feel like as
43:16
Speaker 1: a viewer, we should know either we don't know anything. Well,
43:20
Speaker 1: I feel like we either shouldn't know anything about it,
43:23
Speaker 1: or we should know something about it. Not that the
43:26
Speaker 1: viewer has any right to anything here. This is their
43:28
Speaker 1: experiences that we're watching. But now we're just kind of
43:31
Speaker 1: left in a huge scene that feels like it's a
43:34
Speaker 1: culmination of months of watching the show, and your left
43:39
Speaker 1: as a viewer who is very engaged in this show
43:41
Speaker 1: going I don't know, and I don't think that's I
43:44
Speaker 1: don't know if that I mean, and I have the
43:46
Speaker 1: same feeling. There's just a lot of assumptions left to
43:49
Speaker 1: be There are a lot of assumptions, so we can't
43:52
Speaker 1: really pick sides if we don't know exactly how the
43:54
Speaker 1: conversation went down. Granted, do we know how every conversation
43:57
Speaker 1: that's ever aired really went down? No, because has to
44:00
Speaker 1: be chopped down. But I do love a fantasy suite
44:05
Speaker 1: drama in this case, where like people leave the fantasy
44:09
Speaker 1: suite and then the drama from it gets brought up,
44:12
Speaker 1: Like remember from Claren Wan Pablo and I was thinking
44:18
Speaker 1: Tasha and Colton. Remember she walked out and she was like,
44:21
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, and then there was a
44:26
Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay and yeah and Peter. That was that was good?
44:36
Speaker 1: All right? Anyway, So I do love a little about
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Speaker 1: fantasy Suite Cliffhanger. I think we're gonna get a little
44:42
Speaker 1: bit more contacts in the next episode. We'll find out.
44:45
Speaker 1: But let's move on to headlines and trending tweets from
44:49
Speaker 1: last night? Shall we do that after the break? All right,
45:03
Speaker 1: let's go through trending tweets from last night. I love
45:06
Speaker 1: these tweets. We just kind of added this segment into
45:08
Speaker 1: the podcast, what is up with the black Box? Over
45:13
Speaker 1: Gabby's butt. I'm actually quite annoyed at the black Box
45:16
Speaker 1: because why put her in a bathing suit that you're
45:20
Speaker 1: going to have the black boxer on? It's so distracting,
45:23
Speaker 1: and it's like, isn't really that skimpy that it can't
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Speaker 1: make primetime. ABC, Come on, it can't be that skimpy again.
45:31
Speaker 1: Then why do you put it in the swimsuit? Don't
45:33
Speaker 1: put her in the swimsuit. It's like kind of demoralizing. Yeah,
45:36
Speaker 1: it's weird. Yeah, I don't I don't love it. No,
45:40
Speaker 1: they like really made an effort to if you saw
45:43
Speaker 1: some of them, they edit it in a way that
45:46
Speaker 1: you could see like multiple layers. Like they really took
45:49
Speaker 1: their they're manipulating skills. Um, okay. Other trending tweets that
45:55
Speaker 1: made you giggle Gabby and Eric jumping. There's there's a
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Speaker 1: tweet that says, is that why this episode is split
46:04
Speaker 1: into two? We had to spend twenty minutes watching Eric
46:08
Speaker 1: and Gabby prepared to jump into the water. Hey, I
46:11
Speaker 1: told you earlier. You need to put in all those
46:14
Speaker 1: Bachelor punts, the jumping, in the falling, It's got to
46:20
Speaker 1: be there. Uh. And then ABC I think kind of
46:23
Speaker 1: messed up a little bit. There's a tweet here that
46:25
Speaker 1: I find odd too. Is ABC spoiling Johnny's illumination by
46:29
Speaker 1: showing him a Bachelor in Paradise preview. They did put
46:32
Speaker 1: him in the Paradise preview last week. That's funny. Okay,
46:39
Speaker 1: so yes, they did mess up there. I think it
46:41
Speaker 1: was just so obvious those two weren't going to end
46:43
Speaker 1: up together. There we go. Okay, it's time for headlines.
46:47
Speaker 1: Big headline here kind of snuck up on us a
46:49
Speaker 1: little bit. But the Bachelor Lama, Amanda Stanton is married.
46:52
Speaker 1: All the details of her timeless California nuptials. Um, and
46:56
Speaker 1: this is according to people. Congratulations, Amanda, super pumped. Gratulations Amanda. Yes,
47:01
Speaker 1: this wedding was definitely put together quickly. They got engaged
47:05
Speaker 1: in December. Um. But she definitely wanted to get the
47:09
Speaker 1: wedding going. I think she planned it in like five
47:12
Speaker 1: I think it was like five months. Um. It looked sedanning.
47:17
Speaker 1: The pictures are beautiful. Her dresses are spectacular, as they
47:21
Speaker 1: would be in all Amanda stand fashion. Uh. Lauren Lane
47:26
Speaker 1: was there, Andy Dorfan was there, Emily Ferguson and Raven
47:29
Speaker 1: and Adam were there. Um. She walked down the aisle
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Speaker 1: in a Monique Lilier gown as Taylor Swift's Wildest Dreams
47:41
Speaker 1: played like WHOA that is a moment? Uh. The The
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Speaker 1: theme for the night was an elevated modern garden wedding.
47:52
Speaker 1: It was very simple. Guests dined on lobster rolls, steak
47:57
Speaker 1: in fish, and a dessert crape station. They also had
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Speaker 1: a late night bites pizza and grilled cheese. Kins her
48:05
Speaker 1: daughter Kins was the maid of honor, and Charlie it
48:08
Speaker 1: was the flower girl. It was adorable and their dog
48:11
Speaker 1: made all the pictures even better. That's so good. Well,
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Speaker 1: we're really happy for Amanda. She's an awesome girl in
48:20
Speaker 1: this relationship has been really fun to watch through social media.
48:23
Speaker 1: So yeah, her husband, it seems so fun like he's
48:28
Speaker 1: hilarious on social media. Well. Uh, former Bachelor at Claire
48:32
Speaker 1: Crawley debutsed new man after breakup from Dale Moss or
48:36
Speaker 1: the engagement, I guess got broken up. This according to
48:39
Speaker 1: US Weekly, we know nothing about this guy's We know
48:43
Speaker 1: nothing about him because the caption is simply him. She
48:49
Speaker 1: put a reel of the two of them like just
48:52
Speaker 1: goofing off from the car together and that was her
48:55
Speaker 1: hard launch for her boyfriend. We do know his name. Um,
49:00
Speaker 1: what we suspect the fans are are suspeculating that this
49:05
Speaker 1: is Mascot Sports CEO Ryan Dawkins. She didn't provide the
49:11
Speaker 1: name but the fans are, you know, they've done their digging.
49:15
Speaker 1: And she says that they've been seeing each other for
49:18
Speaker 1: a while. And I'm really happy about this. I saw
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Speaker 1: Claire in June and I know that she was seeing someone,
49:26
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was something that was on
49:29
Speaker 1: the road to seriousness. And I'm not sure if it's
49:31
Speaker 1: even the same guy, but I'm so excited for her.
49:34
Speaker 1: I'm always rooting for Claire's love life. There we go,
49:39
Speaker 1: Claire back at it again. Next headline is this Bachelor Nations,
49:43
Speaker 1: Sannah Brown attends her brother Patrick's wedding to Jed Wyatt's
49:47
Speaker 1: ex Haley Stevens. This is just the craziest thing. Guys,
49:53
Speaker 1: we all know what we don't Maybe you don't know,
49:56
Speaker 1: but it was a juicy scoop. Soon after the finale
50:00
Speaker 1: of Hannah Brown season, it was found out that Hannah's
50:05
Speaker 1: brother Patrick ended up getting together and dating Hayley Stevens,
50:11
Speaker 1: which was the girl that Jed was dating when he
50:17
Speaker 1: went onto the show. It's just the craziest twist of
50:20
Speaker 1: all time. Now Hannah is in the same family as
50:24
Speaker 1: the girl that really ruined. Well, she did not ruin
50:27
Speaker 1: the season, Jed did but you know she's involved to
50:30
Speaker 1: a certain extent. So I don't think that Hannah is
50:33
Speaker 1: like really the hugest of fans. You can't help but
50:37
Speaker 1: be a little bitter towards the whole situation. Um. She
50:42
Speaker 1: said in the comment, I've come to realize my life
50:46
Speaker 1: is a never ending plot twist, but it makes for
50:50
Speaker 1: a damn good, for sure weird story. So she did
50:57
Speaker 1: not take a picture with the the bride. She has
51:01
Speaker 1: not been photographed on Hannah's Instagram, but at least she
51:05
Speaker 1: has some sort of sense of humor about it all. Yeah,
51:07
Speaker 1: and she went with her boyfriend Adam, so they're still
51:11
Speaker 1: happy and together. Uh, she went to the wedding. That's
51:14
Speaker 1: a big deal. As hard as that would be or
51:16
Speaker 1: as weird as that would be, she at least atended
51:17
Speaker 1: the wedding, which is important, and she won't regret that.
51:20
Speaker 1: I don't think. Well, the final headline is this big
51:24
Speaker 1: congratulations and just um admiration for bachelortte alum Zach Clark.
51:30
Speaker 1: He celebrates eleven years of sobriety. His quote is if
51:32
Speaker 1: I can do it, you can do it. This. According
51:35
Speaker 1: to people, he said, I'm super super grateful. I feel
51:39
Speaker 1: very loved the beautiful notes and messages. Thank you so
51:44
Speaker 1: much for that. As I sit here and I reflect
51:46
Speaker 1: on the past eleven years, I can't help but recognize
51:49
Speaker 1: that actually what I had nothing to do with me.
51:52
Speaker 1: This has to do with the people that paved the
51:54
Speaker 1: path for me, those that came before me, and more importantly,
52:00
Speaker 1: the person that is out there still struggling today, struggling
52:03
Speaker 1: with their addictions, struggling with their mental health, and feeling
52:06
Speaker 1: that they cannot go on um. He says. As to
52:11
Speaker 1: how he's still can have fun while being sober, he said,
52:15
Speaker 1: I laugh because I've been given this next level existence
52:20
Speaker 1: that I am so proud of. He said. It was
52:23
Speaker 1: hard being out there on the street, but willing to
52:28
Speaker 1: two and willing to die to get high one more time,
52:32
Speaker 1: one more hit. Said. This life isn't This life is easy,
52:36
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful, and it's available to you if you
52:39
Speaker 1: want it, ask for help. We are here for you.
52:42
Speaker 1: We love you. Keep going, dig in. I promise it
52:46
Speaker 1: gets better. If you can do it, I can do it.
52:48
Speaker 1: Let's go and again just remind you guys. He is
52:51
Speaker 1: the co founder of Release and Recovery, which is a
52:54
Speaker 1: rehab center for people that well, that are currently in
52:58
Speaker 1: the situation that he was in. Absolutely beautiful. Congratulations Zach.
53:03
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