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Who Was Jaren Lockhart? ID’s Lethally Blonde Looks at the Grisly Gulf Coast Murder · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: You know, in twenty twelve, there were these two killers
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who really truly thought they had executed the perfect crime. Oh,
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they were convinced of it, right, completely convinced. I mean,
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they painstakingly scrubbed their entire home with industrial bleach. They
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meticulously destroyed like almost every single piece of identifying physical
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evidence on their.
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Speaker 2: Victim, which is incredibly hard to do, by the way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they even co opted this once in a
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century astronomical event to give their depravity some sort of,
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I don't know, grand cosmic justification. They really thought they
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had outsmarted the entire world.
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Speaker 2: But they forgot the golden rule of the modern age exactly.
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Speaker 1: They forgot that one crucial, undeniable rule. You can bleach
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a bathroom tile until your hands literally bleed, but you
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cannot bleach your digital footprint.
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Speaker 2: It is. It's the ultimate blind spot for a very
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specific type of criminal. Yeah, because they get so hyper
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focused on the physical world, right, the things they can
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touch and see and scrub with a sponge, that they
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leave this massive glowing digital beacon just pointing street back
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at them.
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Speaker 1: In that bizarre collision between this obsessive physical erasure and
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unavoidable digital reality is exactly what we are diving into today.
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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating case.
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Speaker 1: It really is so welcome to today's deep dive. We
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are looking at an extensive stack of source material today,
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mostly centered around excerpts from a book called The Venus
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Transit Murder, The Life and Death of Jaron Lockhart, and for.
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Speaker 2: Dose following true crime media, this case is also the
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focus of a new twenty twenty six investigation discovery documentary.
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I think it's called Lethally Blonde.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, legally Blonde, that's the one. But for you listening
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right now, our mission for this deep dive is not
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just to you know, recount a true crime tragedy. We
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want to really decode the brilliant forensic science that investigators
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use to solve what was essentially an impossible puzzle.
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Speaker 2: It was a massive puzzle.
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Speaker 1: Right, We're going to untangle the genuinely bizarre psychological motives
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of this killer couple. And most importantly, and I really
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want to stress this, we're going to rescue a young
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mother's identity from the reductive, frankly cheap labels that the
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media slapped onto her at the very second the story.
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Speaker 2: Broke, which is such an essential undertaking. I mean, this
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case truly is a masterclass in modern investigation. How so
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well it demonstrates how detectives and forensic experts have to
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like synthesize completely disparate feels. You're talking oceanic tide patterns,
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cellular data, forensic anthropology, and deep psychological.
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Speaker 1: Profiling, wow, all at once.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, they have to pull all of that together to
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find the truth when killers go to these extreme lengths
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to basically erase a human being from existence.
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Speaker 1: So I want to start by looking at Jaron Lockhart herself,
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because before we can even begin to comprehend the horrific
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circumstances of her death, we really have to understand the
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reality of her life. That makes sense, and I think
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doing that requires us to completely, just entirely dismantle this
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toxic myth of the perfect victim that always seems to
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cloud public perception.
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Speaker 2: Is a pervasive, pervasive bias.
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Speaker 1: Explain that a bit for people who might not know
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the term.
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Speaker 2: So, the perfect victim myth is this societal expectation that
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a victim of a crime must be entirely blameless, completely naive,
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and totally detached from any sort of risky behavior. For us,
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to extend them are full empathy.
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Speaker 1: Right Like, if they aren't an angel, people just don't care.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, if they don't fit that incredibly narrow mold society
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really struggles to care about what happened to them.
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Speaker 1: So let me paint a picture of Jaren based on
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what her friends and family actually said about her. She
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was twenty two maybe twenty three years old and originally
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from the rural pine woods of Panjapahoa.
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Speaker 2: Parish that's just north of Lake Punchertran in Louisiana.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly, And the quotes from her friends in
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the source material are just striking. Benny Hayes, who is
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a close friend of her, as he said, when Jaren
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walked into a room, she lit the entire room up.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He specifically noted that her outside beauty and her
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inside beauty matched perfectly. Another friend mentioned that anyone who
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met her would just love her within five minutes. She
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had this intense, almost gravitational pull to her.
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Speaker 2: It really sounds like she had a highly charismatic, highly
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engaging personality, which is interesting, you know, because from a
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psychological standpoint, that kind of magnetism is often a double
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edged sword.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Well, it draws good people in sure, but it can
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also attract predators. Predators are always out there looking for
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someone who is outwardly trusting or just highly socially accessible,
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someone who is easy to talk to.
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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. But yeah, the sources
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we're looking at, they don't shy away from the darker
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realities of her life either, and I don't think we
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should either.
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Speaker 2: No, we have to look at the whole picture exactly.
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Speaker 1: And we have to look at it without a single
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ounce of judgment. Jaren's day to day existence was incredibly difficult.
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She was a single mother to a three year old
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daughter named Riley. Okay, but she didn't have full custody.
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Riley lived primarily with relatives, including a guardian named donnik Kulick,
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and her friends stressed, like really emphasized that Jaren loved
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her daughter fiercely. But Jaren was just in no position
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to raise.
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Speaker 2: A child full time right because of her living situation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was living in a fifty dollars a night
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place called the Caprim Hotel on Tulane Avenue in New
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Orleans with her fiance Jeremy Foster.
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Speaker 2: A daily motel rate is a tough way to live.
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Speaker 1: It's exhausting, and to pay that daily rate, she worked
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as an exotic dancer at clubs on Bourbon Street, places
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like Temptations and stilettos. On top of all that, she
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was battling a daily heroin habit that she shared with
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her partner.
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Speaker 2: And right there, I mean, the very moment you introduced
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the phrases exotic dancer, motel on Tulane Avenue and heroin addict.
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A massive segment of the public and certainly the media
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back in twenty twelve, just applies a filter. You just
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write her off exactly. They reduce a really complex, struggling
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human life to a few gritty data points. And from
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a psychological and sociological standpoint, this is actually a deeply
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ingrained defense mechanism.
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Speaker 1: Really a defense mechanism.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called the just world hypothesis.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard that term thrown around a bit, but
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what does it actually mean in practice? Like why does
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our brain automatically do that?
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Speaker 2: It was a concept formalized by a psychologist named Melvin
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Lerner way back in the nineteen sixties. The basic premise
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is that the human brain is just completely terrified by
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the idea of randomness.
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Speaker 1: Huh, because randomness implies danger.
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Speaker 2: Right. If horrific things can happen to perfectly innocent people
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for absolutely no reason at all, then literally none of
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us are safe, and that is a paralyzing thought for
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the brain to process on a daily basis.
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Speaker 1: So we have to invent a reason.
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Speaker 2: Exactly so, to protect our own sanity, we unconsciously develop
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this belief that the world is inherently just, that good
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things happen to good people, and bad things happen to
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people who quote unquote put themselves in bad situations.
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Speaker 1: So it's basically a way of insulating yourself from the
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terror of the unknown. Exactly like you hear about a
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brutal murder on the news, and instead of feeling vulnerable,
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you say to yourself, well, you know, I don't work
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on Bourbon Street and I don't use heroin, so I
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am safe.
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Speaker 2: She brought it on herself, precisely. It is victim blaming,
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but it's masquerading as self preservation. But the real danger
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of the just world hypothesis isn't just that it makes
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the general public unsympathetic.
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Speaker 1: What's the real danger.
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Speaker 2: The real danger is when law enforcement falls prey to it.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: If a homicide detective walks into a case looking through
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that judgmental lens, they will subconsciously deprioritize the investigation. They'll
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just write it off as a sex worker case or
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a drug deal gone.
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Speaker 1: Bad, and they miss the details.
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Speaker 2: They miss the entire nuance of the victim's life. They
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fail to understand the specific vulnerabilities that predators actively exploit.
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So to work a case effectively, investigators actually have to
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actively train that bias out of themselves. The victim's humanity
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has to be the absolute center of gravity, regardless of
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their socioeconomic status.
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Speaker 1: And I really want to push back on anyone who
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might look at those data points, you know, the motel,
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the heroine, the dancing, and see only a tragedy or
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like a doomed trajectory.
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Speaker 2: It's so much more than that.
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Speaker 1: It is the sources provided us with this incredibly raw,
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authentic Facebook post that Jaron made shortly before her death,
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and I want to read a bit of this to you,
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the listener, because I think it completely reframes how we
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should view her. Please do, She wrote, I am working
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every day toward my legacy. It has its errors, but
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each mistake has been priceless to the journey. I wouldn't
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exchange my past experiences for the world. Every trial, every struggle,
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every heartbreak has helped me grow mentally and spiritually. I
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am my own person, I am emmy.
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Speaker 2: That is so powerful, right.
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Speaker 1: I don't read that as the diary of a doomed victim.
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I read that as a universal declaration of resilience. This
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is someone acutely aware of her flaws, who is actively
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fighting for her future.
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Speaker 2: It really is a profound statement of self awareess. I mean,
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it completely shatters that two dimensional caricature of the tragic addict.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she wasn't hiding from it.
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Speaker 2: Now. What she's doing there is reclaiming her own narrative.
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She isn't asking for pity, and she certainly isn't making excuses.
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She's claiming ownership of her life, her mistakes, and her growth,
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which just makes what happens so much worse. It does
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it highlights the profound tragedy of the case. It's not
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just that a life was taken, but that a life
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actively striving for a better future, a life in motion
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was abruptly cut short.
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Speaker 1: And that fierce independence that drive to survive and build
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a legacy for herself and her daughter. That is exactly
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what drove her to Bourbon Street on the night of
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June fifth into June sixth, twenty twelve.
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Speaker 2: Because economic vulnerability is a huge factor here, right.
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Speaker 1: Her Economic vulnerability is literally the only way to understand
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the exact mechanisms of the trap she walked into that night.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, economic vulnerability is the primary lever that predators use
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to override a person's natural caution.
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Speaker 1: Let's actually look at theinancial stakes of that specific night,
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because they are crucial. Jaren was working at temptations. The
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source's note, it was a terribly slow night on Bourbon.
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Speaker 2: Street, which happens especially in the summer, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And she'd only made about seventy five dollars. Now we
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are talking about a woman who needs fifty dollars just
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to keep a roof over her head at the motel
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for the night, plus whatever she needed to feed a
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daily physical dependency on heroin to stave off withdrawal. So
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that isn't just a desire for cash. That is a visceral, immediate,
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biological and environmental desperation.
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Speaker 2: It creates what psychologists call tunnel vision.
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Speaker 1: Tunnel vision like you can only see the one goal.
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Speaker 2: Exactly when you are facing imminent eviction and the physical
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agony of opioid withdrawal, which is excruciating. Your immediate short
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term survival needs completely eclipse your long term risk assessment.
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Speaker 1: So your brain is basically screaming at you.
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Speaker 2: Yes. The prefrontal cortex, which handles logic, reasoning and consequence
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of valuation, gets entirely hijacked by the m amigdala, which
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is basically an alarm bell screaming at you to solve
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the immediate crisis.
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Speaker 1: And right into that tunnel vision walk the predators, the
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worst kind. Enter Terry Speaks, who is thirty nine or
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forty at the time, and Margaret Sanchez who was twenty eight.
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They are literally prowling through Bourbon Street around one in
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the morning.
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Speaker 2: Prowling is the right word.
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Speaker 1: They go into a club called Stiletto's First and they
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are offering a massive amount of cash. Reports say anywhere
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from five hundred to eight hundred dollars for a dancer
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to come to a bachelor party in Metrie or possibly
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a private threesome.
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Speaker 2: That's a huge sum for one night.
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Speaker 1: Right now, A dancer at Stiletto's actually turns them down,
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so Speaks and Sanchez leave. They walk next door Temptations,
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and that is where they find Jaren.
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Speaker 2: And for Jaren, that money changes everything exactly.
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Speaker 1: Holding seventy five dollars and staring down the barrel of
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rent and addiction. Five to eight hundred dollars isn't just
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a good tip. It is a total lifeline.
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Speaker 2: It is an overwhelming sum in that specific context. I mean,
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if you offered a middle class professional one hundred thousand
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dollars in cash to get into a car with two strangers,
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their risk assessment might waiver too, oh for sure. For Jaren,
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eight hundred dollars was a fortune that solved literally every
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immediate problem she had.
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Speaker 1: The sources describe the security footage from the club, and
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the clinical nature of it is just chilling.
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Speaker 2: Security footage usually is it's so detached.
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Speaker 1: Right, It's just this fixed camera. And around two point
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zero am, the cameras catch Jarn in the locker room
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at Temptations. She is changing out of her stage outfit,
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putting on leggings in a gray top. She packs her
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tassel underwear and her boots.
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Speaker 2: Into a bag, so she's clearly preparing to leave for
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a private engagement.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And then between two points zero five and two
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point two to one am, the exterior cameras capture her
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walking out of the club flank by Speaks and Sanchez.
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They're walking toward Iberville Street, away from the neon lights,
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away from the safety of the club, away from the
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French Quarter.
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Speaker 2: Entirely that surveillance footage is so critical for investigators.
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Speaker 1: Why is it so important in those early hours.
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Speaker 2: Because in a missing person's case, the first forty eight
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hours are usually spent just trying to figure out if
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a crime even occurred, like did the person run away?
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Do they have a medical accident?
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Speaker 1: Did they just go off the grid for a bit?
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Speaker 2: Exactly? This footage serves as an immovable anchor in the timeline.
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It instantly transitions the narrative for law enforcement from a
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standard missing person's inquiry to a targeted abduction or homicide
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investigation because.
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Speaker 1: They see exactly who she left with.
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Speaker 2: Right they have her last known location and the faces
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of the people she left with.
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Speaker 1: Thinking about how Speaks and Sanchez operated though, walking from
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club to club, asking different dancers, getting rejected, and then
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just moving on to the next It strikes me that
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they weren't just looking.
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Speaker 2: For anyone, No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: They were applying a sort of predatory filter, like they
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were casting a net, actively testing people to find the
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one person whose immediate desperate need for cash completely outweigh
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their instinctual situational awareness.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what they were doing.
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Speaker 1: They needed someone desperate enough to say yes to a
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highly irregular, highly dangerous proposition.
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Speaker 2: Predatory filter is an incredibly accurate way to conceptualize it. Predators,
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especially serial are highly organized ones. They don't want a
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difficult target. They probe for weaknesses.
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Speaker 1: And Jared was vulnerable that night.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and if we look at the terrifying dynamic of
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a killer couple, it becomes clear how sophisticated this trap
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actually was. I mean, Terry Speaks was not just some
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random guy off the street looking for a thrill.
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Speaker 1: Oh. He had a serious history.
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Speaker 2: He was a federal fugitive. He was a convicted sex
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offender from a two thousand and three case in North
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Carolina involving a fourteen year old girl.
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Speaker 1: Ugh, that's horrific.
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Speaker 2: He had a lengthy record of assault and domestic violence.
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This is a hardened, dangerous predatory individual.
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Speaker 1: But he wasn't doing this alone. He brought Margaret Sanchez
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with him, And that really made me wonder why why
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does a predator like Speaks need an accomplice for the
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initial contact.
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Speaker 2: That is the crucial piece to the puzzle. Yeah, because
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the presence of a woman acts as a profound psychological buffer.
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Speaker 1: A buffer, how do you mean?
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Speaker 2: We are deeply socially conditioned to view couples, a man
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and a woman together as fundamentally less threatening than a
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lone male.
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Speaker 1: Oh sure, a lone guy asking you to leave a
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club is a huge red flag exactly.
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Speaker 2: But for Jaren, seeing another woman likely created a false
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sense of security. It completely disarms a victim's natural defenses.
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The internal monologue becomes, well, you know, there's another woman here.
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She's talking to me. She seems normal. How bad could
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it really be? She wouldn't let a guy do something
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terrible to me?
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Killer couples use that societal conditioning as a literal weapon.
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Speaker 1: So Sanchez isn't just an accomplice. She is the bait.
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She is the camouflage that cloaks the danger right until
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the trap snap shut. Exactly, So Jared vanished into the
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new Orleans night. Her boyfriend expected her back at the
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motel by five zero zero or five thirty am. When
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she didn't show up, he panicked. He knew something was
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wrong right away.
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Speaker 2: He felt it, but Jared was already gone.
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Speaker 1: And this is where the story shifts from the neon
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of Bourbon Street to something much, much darker, because the
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killers made a concerted, horrifying attempt to erase her entirely,
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but they couldn't. No, they were thwarted by something they
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simply couldn't control the natural tides of the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
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Speaker 2: Criminals often believe they can control an environment, but you
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cannot control the ocean.
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Speaker 1: Not at all.
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Speaker 2: In forensic terms, the ocean acts as an incredibly unpredictable
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revealer of secrets. It doesn't adhere to a killer's timeline,
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and it certainly doesn't respect their attempts at concealment.
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Speaker 1: Let's trace the timeline of the discovery, because it happens fast.
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June seventh, twenty twelve, Jaren's boyfriend is officially reporting her
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missing in New Orleans. At that exact same time, miles away,
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across state lines, workers are pumping sand onto a beach
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in Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi for a restoration project, and
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in the sand they make a horrifying discovery a human torso,
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oh god. Yeah. The next two days, pieces of a
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body just begin to wash ashore. A fisherman in past
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Christian finds part of a lower leg. Searchers in long
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Beach recover ahead and more leg portions.
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Speaker 2: That's a massive area.
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Speaker 1: It is. We are talking about a debris field stretching
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thirty three miles from Bay Saint Louis to Ocean Springs.
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Speaker 2: A thirty three mile recovery zone in an aquatic environment
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is an absolute logistical nightmare for law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how do they coordinate that.
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Speaker 2: It requires coordination across multiple jurisdictions, you know, deploying marine units,
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dive teams, and cadaver dogs along massive stretches of coastline,
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and you are constantly battling against time because of the water,
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because the tides are shifting evidence every twelve hours, marine
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life is interacting with the remains, and water heavily accelerates decomposition,
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which destroys trace evidence. Honestly, it is miracle they recovered
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what they did.
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Speaker 1: And the state of these remains tells a chilling story
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in itself. The killers didn't just panic and dump a
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body in one piece. They engaged in calculated methad thodical erasure.
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Speaker 2: They really thought it through.
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Speaker 1: They did. The sources note that they had carefully cut
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away identifying tattoos from the skin. They ensured that the
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hands and the forearms were never found, presumably weighed down
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or destroyed elsewhere to absolutely prevent any fingerprint identification. They
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were basically trying to create a ghost.
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Speaker 2: So if you're trying to manufacture a John or Jane Doe, right,
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if you eliminate fingerprints, which are the most common identifier,
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and you eliminate visual markers like tattoos or facial features,
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you drastically reduce the chances of a positive ID.
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Speaker 1: Especially back then exactly.
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Speaker 2: You have to remember this was twenty twelve. While DNA
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technology was robust rapid, DNA testing wasn't as ubiquitous or
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as incredibly fast as it is today, So.
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Speaker 1: You couldn't just plug it into a machine and get
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a name an hour later.
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Speaker 2: No, Running DNA through a database takes time, and it
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only works if the victim's profile is already in the system.
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If they aren't. You need a suspect or a family
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member to compare it to By removing all physical identifiers,
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the killers were trying to stop the investigation before could
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even begin.
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Speaker 1: But they made one fatal flaw. They missed one.
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Speaker 2: Detail, which is almost universally the case. The human brain
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simply cannot account for every variable in a high stress,
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post homicide environment. What did they miss?
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Speaker 1: There was a hidden tattoo on the back of Jared's head,
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completely concealed by her hairline. Wow, the killers missed it
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when they were removing the others. Handcock County Detective Steve
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Saucier was comparing the physical descriptions from recent missing persons
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reports out of New Orleans with the remains they had
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found in Mississippi.
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Speaker 2: That's great police work, it is.
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Speaker 1: He matched that specific missed tattoo to photos Jared had
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posted of herself on our own social media pages.
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Speaker 2: Just incredible attention to detail from there.
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Speaker 1: Investigators needed scientific certainty, of course, so they took a
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DNA sample from Jared's three year old daughter, Riley, and
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that absolutely confirmed the identification.
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Speaker 2: That is a remarkable piece of detective work. That's a
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single overlook detail. A tattoo hidden by hair collapse. Their
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entire strategy of anonymity completely collapsed, and it really highlights
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the ingenuity of using familial DNA. Taking a buckle swab
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from a three year old is totally non invasive, but
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it provides half of the genetic markers needed to definitively
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link the remains to the mother.
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Speaker 1: And once that identity is established, the whole case changes.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Once that identity is established, the case shifts from
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a mystery of who is this to what happened to her?
20:30
And that is where forensic pathology takes over.
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Speaker 1: Right, Let's go into the autopsy room with forensic pathologist
20:36
doctor Dana Troxclaire. What does the trauma actually tell us
20:39
about what Jaren endured? How can a medical examiner piece
20:42
together the final moments of life from partial remains.
20:45
Speaker 2: The autopsy findings are incredibly grim, but we have to
20:49
discuss them because the pathologist is essentially speaking for the
20:52
victim when she can no longer speak for herself.
20:54
Speaker 1: Right, it's giving her a voice exactly.
20:57
Speaker 2: Doctor Troxclaire determined that Jaren was absolutely all live when
21:00
she suffered her fatal wound. Oh Man a single edged
21:04
knife with a blade up to four and a half
21:06
inches long pierced her heart. But before that fatal strike,
21:10
the pathology shows us that she fought. She fought fiercely.
21:14
Speaker 1: How do they know she fought? The sources mentioned extensive
21:18
bruising on her neck, arms, torso, and legs. But does
21:22
bruising only happen while someone is alive.
21:24
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Bruising requires a beating heart.
21:27
Speaker 1: Okay, explain the science on that.
21:29
Speaker 2: A bruise is a hemorrhage. It is blood escaping from
21:31
ruptured capillaries and pooling under the skin. If the heart
21:35
isn't pumping, the blood doesn't pool in the same way.
21:37
The pressure just isn't there.
21:39
Speaker 1: That may gives total sense.
21:40
Speaker 2: So when a pathologist sees extensive deep tissue bruising across
21:44
the neck, arms, and torso, it unequivocally indicates a pre
21:49
mortem struggle. This pattern of bruising is consistent with being
21:52
held down struggling violently against more than one assailant.
21:56
Speaker 1: So she knew what was happening and she fought back.
21:58
Speaker 2: Yes, it wasn't a surprise attack where she was incapacitated immediately.
22:04
It was a physical, desperate battle for her life. She
22:07
also suffered significant blunt force trauma to the head.
22:10
Speaker 1: And I know the toxicology showed drugs.
22:12
Speaker 2: Right, toxicology did show drugs in her system, reflecting her
22:16
heroin use, but the levels were definitively not the cause
22:19
of death. She was murdered plainly and simply.
22:23
Speaker 1: And then there is the post mortem reality the source's
22:26
note she was decapitated, her arms and lower extremities removed.
22:29
Speaker 2: We have to break down the science of post mortem
22:31
dismemberment here. It is a highly specialized area of forensic anthropology.
22:36
Speaker 1: What did they find out from the bones?
22:37
Speaker 2: The pathologists determined this was done using both a knife
22:40
and a saw.
22:41
Speaker 1: How do they know it was a saw?
22:42
Speaker 2: Specifically, when a saw hits bone, it leaves a very
22:45
specific signature called a curf mark.
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Speaker 1: Curf mark.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a forensic anthropologist can look at the microscopic striations
22:53
in that cut and determine the teeth per inch of
22:55
the blade, the direction of the cut, and even if
22:58
the killer hesitated, which leaves what we call false starts
23:01
on the bone.
23:02
Speaker 1: Wow, they can read that much from a scratch on
23:04
a bone.
23:04
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the autopsy revealed that the joints had been
23:08
explicitly disarticulated.
23:09
Speaker 1: Wait, what does disarticulated mean in this context?
23:12
Speaker 2: It means the killers didn't just blindly saw through the
23:15
middle of the femur or the humorous They used a
23:18
knife to carefully cut through the connective tissue, the ligaments,
23:21
and the tendons to separate the bones precisely at the joints.
23:25
Speaker 1: That sounds very deliberate.
23:27
Speaker 2: It is that requires a specific methodical effort. It isn't
23:31
a frenzied hacking. It is a calculated dismantling of the
23:34
human body, likely to make the remains easier to transport
23:38
and dispose of in small bags.
23:40
Speaker 1: That is just horrific. But the investigators were able to
23:43
deduce exactly where this happened, right, based purely on the
23:47
nature of the dismemberment.
23:49
Speaker 2: Yes, they correctly deduce that this happened in a bathtub.
23:52
Speaker 1: How can they possibly know that without having found the
23:54
crime scene first.
23:55
Speaker 2: It's a brilliant deduction based on fluid dynamics and blood volume.
24:00
Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for me.
24:01
Speaker 2: The average human body contains over a gallon of blood.
24:05
If you dismember a body on a living room floor,
24:09
you are going to have an ocean of biological evidence
24:12
seeping into the floorboards, soaking the carpet padding, and running
24:15
under the baseboards.
24:17
Speaker 1: Right, it would be everywhere.
24:18
Speaker 2: It is virtually impossible to clean up completely. To dismember
24:22
a body without leaving a massive, glaring, physical crime scene,
24:26
you need drainage a.
24:28
Speaker 1: Grain of course, right.
24:30
Speaker 2: A bathtub provides a contained, easily washable surface where blood
24:34
can be continuously flushed down the drain with running water.
24:38
It theoretically minimizes the physical footprint of the crime.
24:40
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most fascinating mechanical part of
24:43
this deep dive. Because knowing how the crime was committed,
24:47
and even knowing who likely did it based on the
24:50
surveillance footage from the club, is really only half the battle.
24:54
Speaker 2: It's just the start. Really.
24:55
Speaker 1: When killers completely sanitize a physical crime scene, when they
24:59
use the bathtub ub, when they scrub the floors, investigators
25:02
have to shift their focus. They have to look for
25:05
the ghosts left in the digital machine.
25:07
Speaker 2: And the transition from analyzing physical evidence to exploiting digital
25:11
evidence is where this case truly becomes a triumph of
25:14
modern investigation.
25:16
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the physical scrub first, because it was
25:19
extensive investigators zero in on Speaks and Sanchez based on
25:22
that club footage, they execute a search warrant at the
25:25
couple's home at twenty twenty nine Connecticut Avenue in Kenner, Louisiana,
25:29
which is just outside New Orleans near the airport.
25:32
Speaker 2: Okay, picture the scene now.
25:33
Speaker 1: Witnesses and friends said this house was usually a complete disaster, messy,
25:37
chaotic stuff everywhere, but when police walk in, it is scrubbed, meticulously.
25:42
Speaker 2: Clean, a massive red flag.
25:44
Speaker 1: Huge. The bathroom, specifically weeks of bleach and chlorine. And
25:48
despite the sheer violence of what we just described from
25:50
the autopsy, the stabbing, the disarticulation, the crime scene technicians
25:54
find no smoking gun, DNA indoors, nothing, nothing obvious, no
25:58
blood splatter on the walls, no pooling under the tiles.
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Speaker 2: Bleach is basically a chemical weapon against forensic evidence.
26:04
Speaker 1: How does it work like? Chemically?
26:06
Speaker 2: So? Sodium hypochlorite, which is the active ingredient in bleach,
26:10
is highly effective at destroying the protein structures of DNA.
26:13
It literally breaks down the purine and pyramidine rings that
26:16
make up the DNA molecule, milt it away. Basically, yes,
26:20
forensic experts will tell you that a thorough, obsessive cleaning
26:24
with industrial bleach, followed by commercial drain cleaners to clear
26:28
the pipes, can actually eliminate almost all visible and genetic
26:32
traces of even a major event like a dismemberment.
26:36
Speaker 1: That's terrifying.
26:37
Speaker 2: If applied quickly and thoroughly, it renders the physical crime
26:40
scene practically sterile.
26:42
Speaker 1: If bleach is that effective, how do killers ever get
26:46
caught when they use it? Is it just that people
26:48
miss a spot often?
26:49
Speaker 2: Yes, bleach is a liquid. It doesn't always reach the
26:52
microscopic cracks in the grout or the underside of a
26:55
drain pipe where blood might have splashed. But more importantly,
26:58
while bleach can destroy a strand of DNA, it cannot
27:01
erase a server log. It cannot blind a satellite.
27:04
Speaker 1: And that is exactly where the illusion of a clean
27:07
getaway shatters. For Speaks and Sanchez, the physical world was
27:11
wipe clean, but their digital footprint was just screaming their guilt.
27:15
Speaker 2: What did they find digitally?
27:17
Speaker 1: Investigators pull data from alpr's automatic license plate readers for
27:22
you listening. These are the cameras mounted on highways, toll booths,
27:25
and traffic lights.
27:26
Speaker 2: They're everywhere now, yeah, and.
27:27
Speaker 1: They were already in use back then. These ALPRs caught
27:31
the couple's green two thousand and one Chevy Lomina license
27:35
plate LKY five h two driving from Louisiana into Mississippi
27:39
on the very night of the murder, and then returning
27:41
hours later.
27:42
Speaker 2: ALPR technology is fascinating because it is completely indifferent to
27:45
a criminal's countermeasures. You can't bleach a camera on the.
27:48
Speaker 1: Highway exactly, how does it even capture plates so well?
27:51
At night? Going seventy miles an hour?
27:53
Speaker 2: In ALPR isn't just taking a standard picture. It uses
27:57
infrared illumination to capture the highly reflective pain on a
28:00
license plate, day or night, entirely regardless of weather conditions.
28:03
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
28:04
Speaker 2: Then an algorithm uses optical character recognition to instantly translate
28:10
that image into text, ping it against a database and
28:13
log the exact GPS coordinates and timestamp for a proof.
28:18
It creates an undeniable, mathematically precise timeline of movement.
28:23
Speaker 1: So they're sitting in this spotless house, smelling like chlorine,
28:26
thinking they've won. But their car had already betrayed them,
28:30
Their phones had already betrayed them.
28:32
Speaker 2: The arrogance is astounding.
28:34
Speaker 1: It's funny. It almost reminds me of Lady Macbeth, right
28:36
obsessively trying to wash the invisible blood off her hands.
28:40
Damn spot. Oh that's a great comparison.
28:42
Speaker 2: They are doing the exact same thing with the bleach,
28:45
totally unaware that the blood in twenty twelve isn't on
28:47
their hands, It's in the cell tower pings and the
28:50
automatic license play readers. It's like the Macbeth effect, but
28:52
for the digital age.
28:54
Speaker 1: I love that analogy. Yeah, digital blood, because you are
28:57
exactly right. The psychological drive is identical.
29:00
Speaker 2: Lady Macbeth was trying to wash away her guilt by
29:02
focusing on a physical manifestation of it. Speaks and Sanchez
29:07
focused all their anxiety and self preservation instincts on the
29:10
bathroom tile because they lacked the technological sophistication to understand
29:15
that their data was bleeding.
29:16
Speaker 1: Everywhere, and the digital blood gets even thicker. Investigators sees
29:20
their digital devices, cell phones, computers, and they found deleted photos.
29:26
Speaker 2: Ah deleted, Yeah, deleted.
29:28
Speaker 1: The photos placed Speaks in Sanchez at the exact beaches
29:31
in Mississippi where Jaren's body parts.
29:33
Speaker 2: Washed up, which highlights another massive misunderstanding criminals have about technology.
29:38
Speaker 1: That delete doesn't mean delete exactly.
29:41
Speaker 2: When you press delete on a phone or a camera,
29:43
you aren't actually erasing the photo. You are just telling
29:46
the operating system, hey, I no longer need this space.
29:49
You can write over it if you need.
29:50
Speaker 1: To, so it just hides it from the user.
29:52
Speaker 2: Yes, until new data actually overwrites that specific block of
29:56
flash memory, the original photo is still sitting there on
29:59
what we call slack space, and it is entirely recoverable
30:02
by a digital forensics expert with the right software.
30:05
Speaker 1: So they have these forensic countermeasures in the physical world. Indoors,
30:10
they used bleach outdoors. They had a burn pit in
30:14
the backyard.
30:14
Speaker 2: A burn pit.
30:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. Investigators sifted through the ashes and found a burned
30:18
cell phone battery, a rusted zip tie, and leather straps
30:22
that matched the description of the boots jar impact at
30:25
the club Wow. A cadaver dog even alerted strongly on
30:29
the back fence and the bushes, suggesting a body had
30:32
been moved through there. So the killers clearly knew how
30:35
to destroy physical items, they just couldn't comprehend the digital web.
30:39
Speaker 2: Exactly the synthesis of that ALPR data tracking their Chevy Lumina,
30:43
combined with the recovered, supposedly deleted digital files placing them
30:47
at the drop site. It creates a circumstantial web that
30:50
is practically impossible to escape in a courtroom.
30:53
Speaker 1: It's airtight.
30:54
Speaker 2: You cannot logically explain away your car traveling to the
30:57
exact stretch of the Mississippi coastline at the exact time
31:00
a dismembered body is being dumped there, while simultaneously possessing
31:03
deleted photos of that specific random beach on your phone.
31:06
It completely destroys any alibi.
31:08
Speaker 1: So the digital data puts them at the dumping ground.
31:11
The how and the where are firmly locking into place.
31:15
But it is their own arrogance, their lack of impulse control,
31:18
and their deeply strange fixations that provide a disturbing window
31:22
into the why motive. Yeah, why did this happen?
31:25
Speaker 2: Motive is often the most elusive element for investigators, especially
31:29
when you were dealing with individuals who operate completely outside
31:33
normal societal bounds.
31:35
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to normal people, right.
31:37
Speaker 2: Sometimes the why isn't logical, it's pathological.
31:39
Speaker 1: Let's look at how they were finally caught because it
31:41
is a bizarre sequence of events. June twelfth and thirteenth,
31:45
about a week after the murder, they are pulled over
31:48
in a routine traffic stop in Tangibihoa Parish on unrelated charges. Okay,
31:53
and they look ridiculous. They're clearly in panic mode. Speaks,
31:57
his dyed his hair bright orange. Sanchez has dyed hers
32:00
blue like a cartoon literally during the sup speaks, gives
32:04
false names, false social security numbers, and then he does
32:06
the most incriminating thing possible. He literally runs on foot
32:10
into the woods, yelling at the officers that he is armed.
32:13
Speaker 2: That is just wow.
32:14
Speaker 1: He's captured, obviously, and because he is a federal fugitive
32:19
from that two thousand and three sex offender case we
32:21
mentioned earlier, the Fed step in. He gets shipped off
32:25
to a federal prison in Otisville, New York.
32:28
Speaker 2: And from an investigative standpoint, fleeing from a traffic stop
32:31
is an enormous red flag. It is consciousness of guilt
32:35
in its purest form. Oh yeah, And placing one conspirator
32:39
in a highly secure federal facility in New York while
32:42
the other is on the outside in Louisiana. That is
32:44
an investigator's dream scenario.
32:46
Speaker 1: Why, because they know they're going to talk to each
32:49
other exactly.
32:50
Speaker 2: Federal prisons monitor everything. Every phone call is recorded, every
32:54
email is stand every piece of mail is read.
32:57
Speaker 1: So they just wait for them to mess up.
32:59
Speaker 2: Right, separate two co conspirators, especially a dominant submissive pair
33:04
like this, the anxiety of separation and the need to
33:07
control the narrative becomes overwhelming. They literally cannot help themselves.
33:10
Speaker 1: They have to sync up their stories, They have.
33:12
Speaker 2: To communicate to make sure their stories are straight, or
33:14
just to reassure each other, and law enforcement just sits
33:17
back and listens, and.
33:18
Speaker 1: The wire taps are a gold mine. The investigators start
33:21
recording his phone calls and intercepting emails between him and Sanchez,
33:26
and they are using these unbelievably clumsy codes.
33:30
Speaker 2: How clumsy.
33:30
Speaker 1: They talk about the Mississippi shit. They discuss cleaning the
33:34
mess and doing some spring cleaning. They talk about deleted
33:36
files on their computers, and most horrifyingly, they discuss boots
33:41
and panties with juices on them, along with threats about
33:44
someone telling everything.
33:47
Speaker 2: It really highlights the arrogance you mentioned, but also a
33:50
fundamental lack of impulse control. Spitha knows he's in a
33:54
federal prison.
33:55
Speaker 1: Right, don't they tell you you're being recorded?
33:56
Speaker 2: Yes, there is a recorded warning at the beginning of
33:59
every single call. He knows his communications might be monitored,
34:03
but the compulsion to discuss the crime, to relive the
34:06
thrill of it, or to manage the fallout with Sanchez
34:09
entirely overrides his caution. It's crazy and the codes they
34:12
use are just juvenile. Talking about spring cleaning in relation
34:17
to the Mississippi shit is completely transparent to any seasoned investigator.
34:22
It isn't a master terminal at work. It is a
34:24
desperate man trying to maintain control over a rapidly deteriorating situation.
34:29
Speaker 1: But intertwined with those clumsy codes with something much darker,
34:33
and this brings us to the most sensational element of
34:35
the entire case. The Venus transit.
34:38
Speaker 2: Ah, Yes, the Venus transit.
34:40
Speaker 1: In their communications they specifically reference the Venus transit or
34:44
Venus transition for you listening, if you aren't in astronomy
34:47
buff this is a rare astronomical event where the planet
34:50
Venus passes directly between the Earth and the Sun, appearing
34:53
as a small black dot moving across the solar face a.
34:55
Speaker 2: Very specific celestial event.
34:57
Speaker 1: Righty, And this happened on June fifth and seve twelve,
35:01
the exact night of the murder. It happens in pairs
35:03
about eight years apart, but then there's a massive gap
35:06
of over century. The next one won't happen until twenty
35:09
one seventeen. Now, the new ID documentary Lethally Blonde is
35:13
leaning heavily into this angle. They are marketing it with
35:16
the tagline uncovering a world of sex, cults and ritual sacrifice.
35:21
Speaker 2: It is the kind of narrative hook that television networks
35:24
absolutely dream of. It elevates a gritty, tragic murder into
35:28
something mystical and terrifying.
35:30
Speaker 1: Right, So I have to ask you directly, is this
35:32
a cult angle just true crime TV sensationalism or do
35:36
killers actually base their actions on celestial events? Where speaks
35:40
in Sanchez operating a cult?
35:42
Speaker 2: It is a critical question and we have to parse
35:44
the difference carefully. Here is there a vast organized underground
35:48
a cult cult performing ritual sacrifices in the swamps of Louisiana.
35:52
The evidence in this case absolutely does not support that.
35:55
Speaker 1: Okay, good, tonight.
35:56
Speaker 2: However, do violent, unstable, opportunistic predators co op rare events
36:00
to make themselves feel grandiose. Absolutely, yes, So it's an
36:03
ego thing. It's not a genuine religious or a cult belief.
36:07
Speaker 1: Entirely an ego thing. Look at their psychological profile. They
36:10
are drug fueled, violent individuals living a gritty, chaotic, can
36:14
to mouth life in a cheap rental house. There's nothing
36:17
grand about their life.
36:18
Speaker 2: No thrill kills or drug fueled robbery murders are base, ugly,
36:23
pathetic crimes. They are the actions of small, cruel people.
36:28
But if you attach your crime to a cosmic event
36:31
like the Venus transit, an event that astronomers all over
36:34
the world are talking about, an event that won't happen
36:37
again for one hundred years, suddenly you're important. Suddenly your
36:40
depravity has a false sense of philosophical meaning. You aren't
36:44
just a murderer in a messy bathroom, You are an
36:46
agent of cosmic destiny. It is a psychological defense mechanism
36:51
against their own mediocrity.
36:53
Speaker 1: They are mythologizing their own brutality to make themselves feel important.
36:56
Speaker 2: Precisely, they want to be the villains in a grand
36:59
narrative rather than the pathetic criminals they actually are. And
37:03
we see this exact same need to mythologize in the
37:05
testimony of the jail house informants.
37:07
Speaker 1: What did the informants say?
37:08
Speaker 2: Well, while Speaks was locked up in federal prison, he
37:10
bragged to other inmates. The informants reported that he admitted
37:13
luring Jerren with the promise of money and drugs. But
37:16
the details he provided shifted wildly.
37:19
Speaker 1: Shifting details are never good right.
37:22
Speaker 2: Sometimes he said Sanchez stabbed her. Sometimes he said he
37:24
did the stabbing. Sometimes he talked about feeding her organs
37:28
to a dog, or using a hatchet, or even using
37:31
a sword to dismember her.
37:32
Speaker 1: A sword. Where does a sword even come into play?
37:35
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It is pure fantasy. The shifting stories, the
37:39
organs fed to dogs, the swords, these are embellishments. They
37:44
show the killer's desperate need to inflate the horror of
37:47
his action.
37:47
Speaker 1: Why do that in prison?
37:48
Speaker 2: Though in prison violence is a currency. By spinning these
37:52
wild theatrical tales, Sicca is trying to gain status, strike
37:56
fear into his fellow inmates, and cement his own legend.
38:00
It is but underneath the shifting mythology, the court elements
38:03
he confessed to, the luring, the bathtub dismemberment, bagging the parts,
38:08
the drive to Mississippi. Those remained perfectly consistent across the stories,
38:12
and more importantly, they perfectly corroborated the physical and digital
38:16
evidence investigators had already found.
38:18
Speaker 1: So you have this absolute mountain of digital blood, the
38:20
wire taps, you have the corroborating statements from the informants,
38:23
and you have the forensic pathology.
38:24
Speaker 2: Very strong case.
38:25
Speaker 1: But having the evidence and actually selling it to a
38:28
jury of twelve people are two very different things. We
38:32
have to look at the transition from the twisted psychology
38:35
of the killers to the cold, hard reality the court room.
38:38
Speaker 2: Yes, the trial phase is where everything is tested.
38:42
Speaker 1: Because, regardless of the twisted why, whether it's a drug
38:45
fueled robbery, a thrill kill, or some delusional occult fantasy,
38:50
what had to be answered for the grandiose myths that
38:53
Speaks and Sanchez built for themselves ultimately had to face
38:57
the legal.
38:57
Speaker 2: System, and the court room is where those illusions are
39:00
stripped away. You can't hide behind cosmic alignments or dyed
39:03
hair when you are presented with ALPR data and forensic
39:07
pathology on a projector screen.
39:09
Speaker 1: The legal road was long. The investigation started in Mississippi
39:12
where the body was found, but jurisdiction was handed over
39:15
to the ken Er Police and Jefferson Parish in Louisiana
39:18
once they proved the murder actually happened at the house
39:20
on Connecticut Avenue.
39:21
Speaker 2: Right establishing jurisdiction is key.
39:23
Speaker 1: Terry Speaks went to trial first in June of twenty fifteen.
39:28
In his arrogance, that grandiosity you were talking about regarding
39:30
the venus transit was on full display in the courtroom.
39:34
He actually fired his defense attorneys. Oh boy, he decided
39:37
to represent himself, acting pro say with only stand by
39:40
council pro sae.
39:41
Speaker 2: Representation in a complex homicide trial is almost universally disastrous
39:46
for the defendant.
39:47
Speaker 1: Why. I mean, I know it's a bad idea, but
39:49
why specifically in a murder.
39:50
Speaker 2: Trial, it is a manifestation of extreme narcissism. The defendant
39:55
truly believes they can outsmart the prosecutors, the judge, and
39:58
the jury, but it completely removes the objective legal.
40:02
Speaker 1: Filter, the filter of a professional right.
40:05
Speaker 2: A defense attorney knows how to challenge evidence procedurally without
40:08
looking aggressive, or unhinged. When a defendant represents themselves, they
40:12
expose their raw personality directly to the jury.
40:15
Speaker 1: What does that actually look like in practice? Because I
40:17
honestly can't imagine speaks cross examining the detectives who caught him.
40:22
Speaker 2: It looks chaotic and deeply uncomfortable. Imagine the man accused
40:26
of dismembering a woman standing up and directly questioning the
40:29
medical examiner about the saw marks on the bones.
40:32
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's chilling.
40:34
Speaker 2: Or questioning the digital forensic expert about his own deleted photos.
40:38
The jury is watching the accused killer interact with the
40:41
evidence of his own crime. They are evaluating his demeanor,
40:45
his tone of voice, his total lack of empathy, just
40:49
as much as his legal arguments. It almost always backfires.
40:52
Speaker 1: As it certainly did. Hear he even took the stand
40:55
in his own defense.
40:56
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
40:56
Speaker 1: He got up there under oath, denied killing Jaren and
40:59
try to spin this wild story that she left their
41:02
house with some mysterious guy named Nick to go to
41:05
a party.
41:05
Speaker 2: Uhh, yes, the phantom Nick.
41:07
Speaker 1: He claimed all those wiretap phone calls about spring cleaning
41:10
and boots with juices were just him and Sanchez talking
41:13
about drugs or pornography, not a murder.
41:15
Speaker 2: When a man with his violent history and undeniable circumstantial
41:19
links to a dismembered body sits in a courtroom and
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blames a phantom named Nick, it actively insults the intelligence
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of the jury.
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Speaker 1: They must have hated him.
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Speaker 2: Jurors have a very low tolerance for being lied to
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so blatantly.
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Speaker 1: The jury didn't buy a single second of it. On
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June nineteenth, twenty fifteen, they convicted Terry Speaks of second
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degree murder, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy good He was
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sentenced to life without parole, and because he was a
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fourth felony habitual offender, he actually got a second consecutive
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life sentence added on top of it. He is sitting
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right now in the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola, where
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he completely belongs.
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Speaker 2: And the conviction of the primary aggressor often breaks the
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resolve of the accomplice. This is a classic dynamic and
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criminal prosecution.
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Speaker 1: Which is exactly what happened here. There's a dark poetic
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justice to the timeline. Exactly one year and one day
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after Speaks was convicted June twenty twenty sixteen, Margaret Sanchez
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finally folded.
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Speaker 2: She knew she couldn't win, she.
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Speaker 1: Did want to face a jury. She pleaded guilty to manslaughter,
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obstruction of justice, and conspiracy. She accepted a forty year
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sentence and finally admitted to her role in the killing,
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the dismemberment, and the dumping of Jaron's body.
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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate collapse of the killer couple dynamic.
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Once the dominant figure is neutralized and permanently incarcerated, the
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psychological buffer is gone. She was all alone, facing trial,
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alone against the exact same overwhelming digital and forensic evidence
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that just resulted in a double life sentence for her partner.
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The reality of the situation finally sets in a plea
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deal for forty years becomes literally the only rational choice
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left to avoid dying in prison.
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Speaker 1: So the state secured its convictions. The forensic sign held up,
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the digital footprints paid off, and the killers are locked away.
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But this is where we really have to pull back
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from the mechanics of the trial and shift the focus
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back to the human impact.
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Speaker 2: We always have to bring it back to the victim.
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Speaker 1: At Sanchez's plea hearing, the family was finally allowed to
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speak to the court to put their pain on the record.
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Donna Kulik, who is the guardian of Jaron's daughter, Riley,
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gave a victim impact statement that is just absolutely heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: What did she say?
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Speaker 1: She said, words cannot express the pain her family and
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friends have endured since the murder. This will have a
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huge impact on her for the rest of her life.
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At that time, Riley was seven or eight years old,
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and Donna noted that the little girl still cried for
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her mother.
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Speaker 2: Hearing those statements forces us to reflect on the inherent
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limitations of the justice system. The system worked exactly as
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it is designed to. Forensic science, ALPR data, and determined
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detectives successfully neutralized to highly dangerous predators.
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Speaker 1: They did their job perfectly.
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Speaker 2: They did they removed them from society permanently. But the
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legal system can only provide accountability. It cannot provide true closure.
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It cannot undo the damage.
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Speaker 1: Benny Hayes, Jaren's friend, echoed exactly that sentiment. He told
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the court there was nothing the system could do that
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would make it right or bring Jaron back.
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Speaker 2: The justice system balances the ledger of the law. It
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assigns a number of years in a cell to correspond
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with a crime, but the psychological absence of a mother,
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the daughter, a friend that remains a permanent physical void
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for the victim's family.
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Speaker 1: A void that a sentence can't fill.
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Speaker 2: A forty year sentence doesn't fill that void. Riley is
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growing up without her mother. The sources note that people
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say she looks and acts just like Jaren, with that
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same outgoing, magnetic personality. Every milestone she hits, graduations, birthdays
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is a stark reminder of what was stolen on that
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night in twenty twelve.
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Speaker 1: Which is exactly why we have to constantly realign our
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perspective when we consume these stories. Alice Back, who was
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like a second mother to Jaren, you her time speaking
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to the press to push back against the media's framing
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one last time.
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Speaker 2: What was her message?
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Speaker 1: She said she was more than just a bourbon streets tripper.
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She was a bubbly person who never met a stranger.
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That's not what her life was or who she was.
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Speaker 2: That statement is the antidote to the just world hypothesis
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we discussed at the very beginning of this deep dive.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: It demands that we look at the totality of a
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human life We cannot define someone entirely by the vulnerabilities
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that predators exploited on the worst night of their life.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for us? Right now?
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Looking back at this tragedy fourteen years later, we have
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tracked a truly dark journey today. We started in the
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neon let desperation of Bourbon Street, where a young mother
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trying to turn seventy five dollars into rent money, walked
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into a carefully laid.
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Speaker 2: Trap, a devastating trap.
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Speaker 1: We followed the story to the quiet, serene chores of Mississippi,
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where the painstaking, brilliant work of forensic pathologists and digital
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detectives overcame calculated, horrific physical.
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Speaker 2: Erasure, science beat bleach.
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Speaker 1: And finally we ended up in the cold reality of
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a Louisiana prison where two predators grandiose myths were shattered
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and they are locked away for the rest of their lives.
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Speaker 2: It is a narrative built entirely on extremes. Extreme depravity
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and calculated erasure are met by extreme dedication and scientific
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rigor from law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: But the reason deep dives like this matter goes beyond
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the mechanics of ALPR cameras or the intricacies of forensic
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dismemberment analysis. It is a reminder to you, the listener,
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to look past the superficial labels when you hear words
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like stripper or addict in a news report or a documentary,
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challenge yourself to look deeper, recognize the full humanity, the
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fierce resilience, and the inherent value of individuals like Jaron Lockhart.
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She was twenty three years old. She was fighting her battles,
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loving her daughter, and boldly declaring to the world that
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she was her own person, building her own legacy.
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Speaker 2: Her legacy absolutely shouldn't be defined by the violence inflicted
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upon her by Terry Speakes and Margaret Sanchez. It should
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be defined by the light she brought to the people
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who loved her and the fierce fight she put up
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for her life.
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Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of our dive today.
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But I want to leave you with a final provocative
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thought to maul over long after this audio.
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Speaker 2: Stops, always going to have something to think about.
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Speaker 1: As true crime media, like the newly released Lethally Blonde documentary,
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continues to resurrect these decades old tragedies for our entertainment,
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our curiosity, and our weekend binge watching. How do we,
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as consumers of this media, ensure we are participating responsibly.
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Speaker 2: That's a great question.
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Speaker 1: How do we balance our natural fascination with the macabre
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or the bizarre details like the venus transit against our
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sacred duty to respect and remember the stolen human life
47:43
at the center of the story. Are we tuning in
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to understand the twisted mythology of the killers or are
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we watching to remember Jaron? Think about that next time
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your press play. Until next time,