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Charlie Adelson Trial Day 5 - This Is The Sound Of Extortion? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  The new mayor of Reelville. It's the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Thirty
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  five minutes past the hour. It's The Morning Show with Preston Scott and Preston
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  Show number five and forty. That's Grant Allen over there, and we are
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  joined today to take a look at the trial of Charlie Edelson, Day five
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  by Carl Steinbeck, private practicing attorney. He's been a prosecutor, state public
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  defender, military defense counsel, but most importantly he's been our guest. Hello
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  Carl, Good morning, Preston. What surprised you yesterday in day five?
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  If anything, well, I think everything went really well. What probably surprised
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  me the most, which really defeats this whole extortion thing, probably as good
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  as anything, is a fact that Charlie we heard him on these wire taps
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  saying that he has a birthday gift for someone, and it was pretty obviously
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  he was talking about Sigfredo and a correspondent like around two days of his birthday
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  and the night surprise inside of it probably could have been the five thousand dollars
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  that was demanded by the undercover agent. Don't know that for sure, but
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  it just totally shows that there was not any extortion attempt by any of the
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  hitman through Katie against him. So the government just has an absolute, rock
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  solid case. I mean, the defense is even admitted that he's paid for
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  the hit, although he's saying it was after fact and extortion. I mean,
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  you're that close to it already. So all the jury has to do
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  is look at everything he's said, all those hours and hours of wire taps,
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  and easily conclude that this is not any kind of extortion or blackmail attempt
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  and that he is in fact guilty. Charlie Aedelson is the I'm her brother
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  in law of Dan Markel, who was murdered nine and a half years ago,
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  just about five minutes from our studio. Carl And for those that may
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  have missed some of the opening segments we've done, the defense has been claiming
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  that Charlie and Donna, but focused on Charlie, has been a victim of
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  extortion. I feel like Georgia Kappelman and maybe she was prepared for that defense,
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  maybe she wasn't. All I know is it seems as though she has
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  been systematically absolutely crushing that narrative and it's allowed her to introduce all these opportunities
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  that Adelson's had to report it to law enforcement and contrast it with what they
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  in fact have done, so that if the defense goes there moving ahead,
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  will she will have the opportunity to reinforce the notion that that's garbage a second
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  time on jurors, won't she? Oh? Absolutely? I mean it is
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  total farcical. It's total total garbage. Comes across as totally fictionalized because they
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  have nothing to work with. It's really present, sort of like a DNA
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  case. It's like trying to argue against DNA. The best way to prove
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  something if it's not DNA is through the defendant's own words usually, and here
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  we got hours and hours at him talking like a criminal undercover to his mom,
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  talking in code to his Katie as well. So why would you talk
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  in code if you were bumped and you're innocent. People only do that when
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  they're actually the criminals and they're suspicious of law enforcement having eavesdropping on them.
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  So it's so abundantly clear anybody can easily cease through this. And I think
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  the jury's only going to be out, you know, probably less than an
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  hour, ninety minutes and come back with a guilty verdict on all charges.
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  Yeah, to just kind of finish up that point. You don't have kind
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  of almost at times playful exchanges with Katie meg banwa if she's extorting from you,
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  and that's what I heard, I love you. There's flirtatious and this
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  going on in their conversations. She's talking about, hey, maybe you can
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  adopt my kids. And anyway, it was so abundantly clear that there is
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  zero extortion, there's no behavior that's consistent without any of the parties. It's
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  his job to keep you informed. The Morning Show with Preston Scott on News
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  Radio one hundred point seven WFLA attorney Carl Steinbeck with us a few more minutes
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  this morning as we talked through day five yesterday, the happenings in the trial
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  of Charlie Adelson. I was a little surprised. I know that you make
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  appearances, Carl on Court TV. I was surprised. Yesterday Judge Ashley Wilcott,
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  hosting afternoon segments, kept saying, the state's not there yet with regard
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  to all this testimony, and I'm trying to figure out where in the world
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  she's seeing a hole in the case. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not
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  tracking that at all. I don't I don't know who that person is.
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  But they must not be following the case in enough detail because the evidence is
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  overwhelming and uh, it's it's abundantly clear. And from what I'm hearing of
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  folks in the uh in the room there as spectators, the jurors are getting
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  it too, and just also seeing some of the stuff that Charlie has said
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  on those wire taps, the way he's disparaged women that are single with kids
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  and saying that nobody would want to date on their not dating material and whatnot.
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  There was even some responses by some of the single mothers on the jury.
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  I know I was told. So it's it's not going good for Charlie,
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  and I think the evidence is going to bear out with the guilty verdict
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  as soon as today perhaps, so no doubts in my mind that's what the
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  outcome will be. At times, speaking of Charlie, you know, the
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  camera is on him almost all the time in the coverage of this. It's
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  a split screen. There are times it's as if he's displaying what i'll call
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  misplaced confidence, almost enjoying this kind of smiling, and I think he's his
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  worst enemy. Yet there are other times that he looks overwhelmed by what's mounting
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  up against him. Carl have you ever had a client get to a point
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  and a trial where they lean over and say, we need to cut a
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  deal. No, I've never had that. But it's not too late.
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  You know, if a client realizes that they're about to face impending doom,
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  the state would cut him a deal. I think, get them something in
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  the range of twenty five to thirty or something like that. But I don't
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  see from my experience somebody like Charlie who thinks he can talk his way out
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  of everything. I mean, he's been able to basically get out of everything
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  his whole life through money and connections. I think he's thinking that he can,
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  you know, pulling over on the jurors and they're going to have They're
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  going to buy into this outlandis theory, and it doesn't matter what the truth
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  is. All that matters is that he's talking and he wants you to do
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  what he says and think about it. He's groomed Katie from October of twenty
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  thirteen, and within two weeks or so, he's asking her, do you
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  know anybody that could put the hurt on somebody? And then he has this
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  relationship with her, and then as soon as the murder happened within that same
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  month of July, they stopped dating. So is that a coincidence the timing
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  of how he came to adoptor as a girlfriends It looked like it was grooming,
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  just like it would look like jeff Licos was groomed as well by Wendy.
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  Let me ask you this, as a public defender, have you ever
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  been in a situation where as the case is unfolding, Let's say you're Charlie's
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  advisor at this point, you're his attorney. At some point, are you
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  leaning over to him when the day is done and say saying, Charlie,
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  this case is going the wrong way for you, buddy, Well, I
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  think a good defense attorney is going to talk about that way in advance,
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  and offense attorney will be able to predict this kind of outcome. So I
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  think there should not be any surprises from a good attorney that knows how to
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  size up evidence and then has that candid, blunt a conversation with their client
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  to get them to see the light. But I think a guy like Charlie,
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  he just doesn't want to go there, and so I don't know how
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  much his attorney would have told him. It's like, do you realize how
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  much you got against you here? So yeah, it all depends on individual
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  attorneys, you know. I think it's who's an attorney to at least say,
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  you know, do you want to plead guilty? But there's how much
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  the attorney goes into laying the case against him in sort of like a mock
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  scenario. Well, here's what the procecutor is going to say, and here's
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  how they're going to nail you on this, and here's how jury's going to
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  interpret what you did for this, that and the other. So it's really
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  it's really comes down to style of the attorney. Okay, let me ask
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  you this. This is going to be the last question of the day and
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  maybe the most delicate one. You're in private practice, but you also served
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  as a public defender. Is is it more likely that a private practicing attorney
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  says, hey, we're just going to carry this through because let's face it,
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  he's being paid. A public defender might be more likely to say,
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  honestly, you're in trouble. That's a very insightful statement there at pressing,
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  because I think that's exactly how it works out in the real life. He
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  stopped to go back and think of who first flipped. It was Lewis Rivera,
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  who had a court appointed attorney who was on like a flat rate fee,
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  right, So there was no there's no financial incentive to keep the thing
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  going. So I'm not saying that happen in this particular case. I don't
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  think it really matters because a guy like Charlie you cannot handle and get him
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  to see the light and want to roll over on others, especially when it's
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  Stanley membership. I think that'll change Preston once he gets convicted and maybe after
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  his parents pass on, assuming that happens and Wendy's still alive, and I
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  think he'd be willing to roll over on Wendy because they're not even talking.
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  She wouldn't even look at him in the courtroom. It's going to be a
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  fascinating way this plays out. I suspect we'll talk again tomorrow. Thank you,
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  carl Yes, sir, thank you. Forty seven minutes after the hour
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  in the Morning Show with Preston Scott