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UK Column News — 11th September 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the 11th of September, 2026, just
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Speaker 1: after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Column News. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Mike Robinson. Joining me by video link today are Basil
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Speaker 1: Valentine and Patrick Henningsen, and we will be joined by
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Speaker 1: a couple of special guests a little bit later now.
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Speaker 1: 25 years ago today, of course, an event took place
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Speaker 1: which changed the world, presented by politicians and corporate media
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Speaker 1: as a terrorist attack run by a man living in
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Speaker 1: a cave in Afghanistan. Aircraft were flown into the World
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Speaker 1: Trade Center in New York and something hit the Pentagon.
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Speaker 1: Of course, this is the 25th anniversary, and so we're
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Speaker 1: going to look at this in quite a lot of
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Speaker 1: depth today. But we're going to begin today by taking
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Speaker 1: a look at an exclusive for The Independent. This is
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Speaker 1: Ken McCallum, the head of MI5, Britain's counterintelligence agency. He
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Speaker 1: has written an opinion piece for them, claiming that Britain
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Speaker 1: faces the worst of both worlds, as Russia and China
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Speaker 1: pose growing threats alongside terrorism. So headline there, MI5 chief says,
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Speaker 1: Britain faces greater danger now than on 9-11. And he says,
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Speaker 1: the MI5 I lead in 2026 contends with a threat
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Speaker 1: landscape markedly different to 2001's. Sadly, mass casualty terrorist ambition endures,
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Speaker 1: but the terrorist threat now sits alongside strategic national security
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Speaker 1: threats posed by capable states. This is my call to arms.
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Speaker 1: After 25 years, he said, government, businesses, academia, and the
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Speaker 1: public must treat national security not as a specialist concern
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Speaker 1: of a handful of agencies, but as a shared national endeavor,
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Speaker 1: contending with rising state-backed aggression, whether sabotage, subcontracted to criminals,
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Speaker 1: or covert interference in our democracy, or destructive cyber attacks
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Speaker 1: on power stations demands new laws. as well as new tradecraft.
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Speaker 1: And he said in 2026, unlike 2001, many of the assets,
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Speaker 1: systems and services under threat sit in private sector hands.
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Speaker 1: This means many of the most critical decisions would be
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Speaker 1: taken not in COBRA, but in boardrooms. We need a
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Speaker 1: new team of teams preserving an open economy by cooperating
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Speaker 1: across government, industry and academia to close vulnerabilities and enable swift,
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Speaker 1: coherent action when crises hit. Patrick, let me begin by
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Speaker 1: welcoming you to the program. Welcome back live. It's been
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Speaker 1: a few weeks since you've been on live, but I mean, again,
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Speaker 1: he is sort of pushing this fusion doctrine idea of
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Speaker 1: a merger between state corporations, academia, and in fact, think
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Speaker 1: tanks and other non-governmental organizations. What are your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 1: And what does this represent?
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Speaker 2: This is absolutely the total mobilization of of society, and
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Speaker 2: we see the very same trends happening throughout Europe, also
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Speaker 2: in the United.
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Speaker 3: States as well, that somehow in some special new kind
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Speaker 3: of era where the dangers are more than ever and
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Speaker 3: the threat from the East is higher than ever, and
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Speaker 3: it's an existential threat for Western civilization, the Western democracy,
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Speaker 3: et cetera, and anything.
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Speaker 2: Can be further from the truth. This is coinciding with
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Speaker 2: our governments totally abandoning diplomacy as a track to resolve
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Speaker 2: any of the major flashpoints in the world. Specifically, I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about NATO's proxy war against Russia in Ukraine, but
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Speaker 2: ditto for the situation in Iran. And there's no meaningful
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Speaker 2: negotiations regarding Lebanon, South Lebanon, and also Gaza as well.
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Speaker 2: So they're shirking their responsibilities, real statecraft, diplomatic statecraft in
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Speaker 2: exchange for this, which is total mobilization and more preparing
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Speaker 2: for a war. A war that nobody can quite see,
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Speaker 2: but they keep telling.
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Speaker 4: Us is omnipresent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, we just cannot overstate the effect
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Speaker 1: that September 11th, 2001 had. And the fact is that
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Speaker 1: pretty much everything that we've seen since was created, was
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Speaker 1: created able to be created by that one event.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 2: And lastly, I'll say, Mike, even today, the New York Times,
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Speaker 2: the Washington Post, they're all lamenting all of these powers,
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Speaker 2: these Patriot Act powers that Trump has now gotten a
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Speaker 2: hold of and is deploying against the American people. They're
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Speaker 2: talking about the Joint Terrorism Task Force. They're talking about ICE,
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Speaker 2: an agency that was created, Department of Homeland Security, Suddenly,
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Speaker 2: 25 years later, the chattering classes are somehow perturbed by
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Speaker 2: the current president of the United States. Now he's abusing
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Speaker 2: all of these extraordinary extrajudicial powers that were accumulated post 9-11. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you, Mike, and I speak for everybody
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Speaker 2: on this program, we have been sounding this clarion call,
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Speaker 2: this alarm, for a very, very long time.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, Basil, I know you've got some thoughts on
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Speaker 1: this as well.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Ken McCallum said that the big dragon of ISIS
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Speaker 5: had been slain, but there were still snakes in the
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Speaker 5: shape of Russia and China. I can only think he's
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Speaker 5: been playing Dungeons and Dragons or watching too much Lord
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Speaker 5: of the Rings, quite frankly. It's quite sort of fantastical
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Speaker 5: language to use. And, of course, Islamic terrorism is also
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Speaker 5: conjured up as a sort of mythical threat, while, of course,
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Speaker 5: he ignores the elephant in the room. which is, of course,
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Speaker 5: the Israeli terrorism inflicted on its neighbours seemingly continually, and
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Speaker 5: the threats we had last week from Israeli ministers threatening
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Speaker 5: retaliation against Britain if we stepped out of line and
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Speaker 5: dared to adhere to international law. Some people online speculating
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Speaker 5: that the major outages at the airport this week were
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Speaker 5: the result of a cyber attack coming only two and
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Speaker 5: a half hours after Ed Miliband had sat down in
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Speaker 5: the House of Commons.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, I'm absolutely delighted to say thanks, Patrick and Basil,
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Speaker 1: for that, by the way. I'm absolutely delighted to say
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Speaker 1: that the issue three of the column is now available.
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Speaker 1: And of course, because it was coming out about now,
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Speaker 1: it is featuring 9-11 on the front page. The majority
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Speaker 1: of the magazine is looking at the long-term impacts of
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Speaker 1: September the 11th and what has happened over the subsequent
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Speaker 1: 25 years. But I'm delighted to welcome Piers Robinson to
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Speaker 1: the program because Piers has written an article for the
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Speaker 1: magazine here, if we can put it on screen, which
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Speaker 1: is entitled What Really Happened on 11 September 2001. So, Piers,
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Speaker 1: this is really the only article that's talking about the
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Speaker 1: event itself in the magazine. Just give us a quick synopsis.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the article essentially pulls together the body of knowledge
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Speaker 4: over the last 20 years regarding the 9-11 event. And
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Speaker 4: that evidence ranges from, obviously, issues surrounding the building collapses, WTC7,
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Speaker 4: the basic physics issues related to those collapses, which is
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Speaker 4: that they cannot be explained as gravitational collapses. These are
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Speaker 4: controlled demolitions of some kind which are occurring. That evidence,
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Speaker 4: which has been really sort of in place for quite
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Speaker 4: some time now, Also, we have a lot of evidence
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Speaker 4: now on the flights and the control of the flights
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Speaker 4: and the indications that these planes were automated and controlled
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Speaker 4: remotely in order to get them into the towers. We
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Speaker 4: have a lot of evidence on the links between the
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Speaker 4: alleged hijackers and U.S. intelligence services. We're doing a report
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Speaker 4: coming out later in the year to look closely at
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Speaker 4: the evidence on the hijackers getting on the plane, and
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Speaker 4: there's very, very little evidence that the alleged pilot hijackers
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Speaker 4: actually go on the planes. And then, of course, the
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Speaker 4: other area of knowledge we've had for a long time
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Speaker 4: is the evidence regarding the air defense staff now. It's
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Speaker 4: obviously presented by the 9-11 Commission as a combination of blundering, stroke,
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Speaker 4: caught off guard, but when you look very closely at
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Speaker 4: what happened in terms of the communications between the air
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Speaker 4: traffic controllers and needs in the Northeast air defense sector,
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Speaker 4: you can see quite clearly that there are these points
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Speaker 4: where There are inexplicable delays introduced, for example, with the
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Speaker 4: scrambling of aircraft in non-battle stations first, directing them out
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Speaker 4: into the Atlantic, all of which points towards essentially deliberate
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Speaker 4: attempts to disrupt the air defence response. So what we
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Speaker 4: do in the art movement, when you pull this body
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Speaker 4: of knowledge together, and it has been in place for
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Speaker 4: a long time at the Journal of 9-11 Studies and
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Speaker 4: obviously the Research Directorate of the International Centre for 9-11 Justice, years,
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Speaker 4: and I think that's where we are now in terms
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Speaker 4: of understanding 9-11, that this is ultimately a highly choreographed, organized,
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Speaker 4: multiplying event, and it's one which didn't simply involve, for example,
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Speaker 4: taking advantage of a real al-Qaeda process. It's far more
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Speaker 4: organized than that. It probably involved patsies being put on
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Speaker 4: planes and so on, but there was extensive coordination and choreographing,
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Speaker 4: and that included the U.S. military and probably people within
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Speaker 4: organizations such as the Federal Aviation Administration. And that's what
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Speaker 4: we have here. We have essentially a deep state. That's
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Speaker 4: a reasonable, logical inference to make. The deep state operation,
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Speaker 4: which created an event on that day. And, of course,
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Speaker 4: we know what the purpose of that event was. We've
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Speaker 4: known that for a long time. the Middle East, obviously
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Speaker 4: Afghanistan first, but then Iraq. Syria is part of that
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Speaker 4: chain of events, chain of conflicts, which, of course, West
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Speaker 4: Park blurted out in 2006 that there's seven countries in
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Speaker 4: five years. We had it established for the Chilbutt Inquiry
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Speaker 4: with communications between Tony Blair and George Bush that this
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Speaker 4: was the plan. And so it was a false flag
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Speaker 4: to instigate the conflicts. And for anyone who thinks 9-11
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Speaker 4: isn't relevant today, the end point is always Iraq. Of course,
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Speaker 4: that's where we are today in a situation of conflict
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Speaker 4: and an attempt to overthrow the Iranian government. And so
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Speaker 4: this is what the article does. It really summarizes that
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Speaker 4: body of knowledge and makes the strong, logical inference that, yes,
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Speaker 4: this is a highly organized, highly choreographed false flag event,
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Speaker 4: and that's the depressing, unfortunate reality of 9-11. But this
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Speaker 4: is what we have to get to grips with if
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Speaker 4: we're going to understand quite how serious a situation we're in.
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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for that. Now, you are in New
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Speaker 1: York at the moment. Just tell us why you're there.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm in New York at the Turning the Tide conference.
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Speaker 4: This is the second conference, which has been organized by
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Speaker 4: a range of the 9-11 research and truth groups. It's
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Speaker 4: a four-day conference. We have Roger Waters is here at
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Speaker 4: the Brett Weinstein conference. We have Dennis Kucinich. We have
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Speaker 4: a range of representatives from firefighters and the families of 9-11,
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Speaker 4: Matt Candler is here. And obviously what we're trying to do,
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Speaker 4: this is part of the process of trying to bring
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Speaker 4: this knowledge and understanding to a wider public. Also, people
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Speaker 4: such as Druddy Waters now having joined and supporting essentially
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Speaker 4: 9-11 Truth. This is an important moment. We have possibility
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Speaker 4: because part of the reason for the conference last year
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Speaker 4: was Ron Johnson invited us to produce a report which
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Speaker 4: summarized or pulled together the body movements of 9-11 and
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Speaker 4: we are physically working on that report for accountability and
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Speaker 4: we hope to have that ready by the end of
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Speaker 4: the year and we'll submit it to Johnson and we'll
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Speaker 4: also submit it elsewhere and the idea of that is
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Speaker 4: to consolidate our knowledge on 9-11 and then to build
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Speaker 4: from there as well, to continue to update that report
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Speaker 4: on a yearly basis. So those are the two big reasons.
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Speaker 6: Why I'm here.
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Speaker 4: I'll be giving a talk tomorrow on some of the
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Speaker 4: work I've been doing with the PTA report. And we have,
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Speaker 4: you know, it's a great event. We have a lot
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Speaker 4: of people in the auditorium yesterday being live-streamed by Redacted. And, yeah,
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Dore is here as well, and he's going to
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Speaker 4: be talking during the presentation tomorrow evening. And yeah, there's
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Speaker 4: a hope that have we reached that point where enough
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Speaker 4: people have heard enough, understood enough to actually start to
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Speaker 4: realize what happened on 9-11 and then to take actions accordingly. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Piers. Patrick, what are your thoughts on what
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Speaker 1: Piers just said?
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Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to firstly congratulate Piers and really everybody
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Speaker 2: in this space that has been so dedicated in pursuing
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Speaker 2: the truth on this very important issue for so long.
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Speaker 2: But also, Piers, I know that you had worked with
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Speaker 2: Leroy Halsey, an engineering professor from Alaska Fairbanks, most famously
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Speaker 2: his work on Building 7. and the fantastic documentary called Seven,
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Speaker 2: which I included in my filmography feature in the column
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Speaker 2: quarterly this edition. But Piers, you've mentioned so many compelling evidence,
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Speaker 2: evidentiary points, so many. But to capture the imagination of
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Speaker 2: the public, somebody who hasn't been red-pilled, per se, on
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Speaker 2: this issue, it seems to me Building Seven is a
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Speaker 2: powerful symbol and a kind of really obvious entry point here.
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Speaker 2: If you could just speak to that and what you
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Speaker 2: think was important about the work of Leroy Holsey on
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Speaker 2: this issue.
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Speaker 4: Well, just to be clear, I did not work with
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Speaker 4: Leroy Holsey. That was a research project which was put
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Speaker 4: together by Arctic Engineers 9-11. My colleague, Ted Walter, who's
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Speaker 4: the director of IC911, he was involved in that. But
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Speaker 4: Holsey's study was extremely important in terms of presenting some
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Speaker 4: very detailed scholarly analysis of the building collapse. You're absolutely
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Speaker 4: right that Building 7, in a way, always has been
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Speaker 4: such a prominent feature of the 9-11 retreat movement. And essentially,
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Speaker 4: I mean, for a long time, we've understood that the
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Speaker 4: building came down fall and that means there's no resistance underneath.
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Speaker 4: And what Halsey's study did was through finite element analysis modeling,
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Speaker 4: it demonstrated that the only way you can really replicate
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Speaker 4: that is if you remove all of the structural support
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Speaker 4: from it pretty much at the same time. And that
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Speaker 4: takes you pretty far down the road to demonstrating that
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Speaker 4: this was controlled demolition, not progressive collapse. And of course visually,
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Speaker 4: as you say, it's a eye-opener for many people visually
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Speaker 4: when you look at the building. It's clearly it mirrors
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Speaker 4: what you see when you see controlled demolitions. So that's
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Speaker 4: always been important. I would add, and this is one
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Speaker 4: of the things we've been working on at IC911, is
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Speaker 4: that we think that the building science is very well
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Speaker 4: established now for anyone who cares to look. In the
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Speaker 4: journal 9-11 study, we have many papers written on the
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Speaker 4: building coming down. And what's also important now is to
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Speaker 4: actually look at, as you indicated, The CIA, for example,
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Speaker 4: when you look at the planes, the way they're flown,
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Speaker 4: look at how to find simulator study, which shows the
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Speaker 4: kind of impulsivity of some of these maneuvers from the
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Speaker 4: point of view of pilots trying to fly into the buildings.
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Speaker 4: Then you bring in what we know about the air
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Speaker 4: defense stand-downs and many, many other anomalies. But when you
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Speaker 4: pull them back together, I think what you help the
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Speaker 4: public do is you help them to understand that this
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Speaker 4: is not just the buildings came down and there's a
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Speaker 4: controlled demolition and that leaves many, many questions begging, well,
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Speaker 4: exactly what, who did it, et cetera. And so it's
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Speaker 4: very important that we start to move out into these
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Speaker 4: wider areas of evidence to help people understand the bigger
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Speaker 4: picture with 9-11. Yes, it's controlled demolition, but it's controlled
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Speaker 4: demolition and the deep state actors are the obvious port
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Speaker 4: of call. And to emphasize, and we'll just make clear,
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a false flag operation, deep state operation,
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Speaker 4: but it has many countries involved in it. Obviously, people
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Speaker 4: have spoken extensively about Saudi involvement, And I think the reality,
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Speaker 4: when you look at this event as an instigator of
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Speaker 4: the conflicts that we've seen, and you look at the
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Speaker 4: military alliances, geopolitical alliances, which have underpinned those conflicts, you
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Speaker 4: can start to see, yes, this is a multi-nation operation,
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Speaker 4: obviously with the U.S. states driving it, but with cooperation
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Speaker 4: and involvement from other countries. So I think Building 7,
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Speaker 4: for sure, extremely important, and as I say, the evidence
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Speaker 4: on the building is extremely strong. And I think the
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Speaker 4: way we're talking about it in the TTA report evidence.
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Speaker 4: This is beyond reasonable doubt. But we have to move
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Speaker 4: beyond that because I think, as I say, it becomes
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Speaker 4: a puzzle for some people in the public, people perhaps
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Speaker 4: who aren't so savvy with scientific analysis and so on.
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Speaker 4: They don't grasp that, but they will grasp the other evidence,
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Speaker 4: for example, on the link between the CIA and the hijackers.
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Speaker 4: And so I think the goal is to try and
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Speaker 4: create a which helps people understand the full reality of 9-11.
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Speaker 4: Building 7 is a great place to start. I think
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Speaker 4: many people have started there. But I think getting into
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Speaker 4: the other areas of evidence, which in and of themselves
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Speaker 4: becomes compelling and extremely strong. So I think that's the
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Speaker 4: direction we have to go in terms of research. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: Building 7 is.
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Speaker 1: Well, Piers, thank you very much for that and for
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Speaker 1: joining us today. I mean, just to finish on the
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Speaker 1: Building 7 point, of course, the BBC has never quite
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Speaker 1: answered the question of why they were able to report
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Speaker 1: its collapse before it had actually collapsed. But anyway, we'll
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Speaker 1: talk about that and extra perhaps. But look, also in
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Speaker 1: the magazine then, because we do want to cover a
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Speaker 1: little bit of this, there are two articles I want
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Speaker 1: to mention here. The one on the left is written
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Speaker 1: by me and it's entitled From Ground Zero to Panopticon,
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Speaker 1: Revealing the Surveillance State. Now, this is looking at the
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Speaker 1: past 25 years and what was enabled by 9-11, beginning
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Speaker 1: with the Patriot Act, but also talking about John Poindexter's
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Speaker 1: Total Information Awareness Programme, and all the various Snowden leaks
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Speaker 1: and bringing us right up to date. And then on
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Speaker 1: the right-hand side there, you see an article that I
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Speaker 1: wrote jointly with Catherine Austin Fitz called The Vectors of Grift.
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Speaker 1: And in this, we're talking about the trades, the put options,
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Speaker 1: and so on that were taking place during September 2001
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Speaker 1: on United Airlines and on American Airlines. Basically, somebody made
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Speaker 1: a lot of money in the run up to September 11th,
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Speaker 1: and certainly based on the events of September 11th themselves,
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Speaker 1: when the prices of the airline stocks collapsed and these
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Speaker 1: people were in a very good position to benefit from that.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's really clear exactly who that was, but there is
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Speaker 1: some speculation on it. But nonetheless, this article is looking at,
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Speaker 1: beginning with that particular financial event, the subsequent financial shenanigans
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Speaker 1: bringing us right up to date with Donald Trump and
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Speaker 1: the fact that with every statement he makes, he moves
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Speaker 1: the markets and somebody is continuing to make lots of money. Patrick,
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Speaker 1: this is something that we've been talking about for a
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Speaker 1: number of weeks and you've been talking about the implications
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Speaker 1: of this for our lives today. What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 2: Well, firstly, Mike, it just shows how relevant this aspect
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Speaker 2: of the 9-11 story is even today. But anybody who
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Speaker 2: derided this as a conspiracy theory, clearly it's not. And
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Speaker 2: anybody who actually had a cursory look at Buzzy Kongard
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Speaker 2: and the put options on the airlines, not to mention
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Speaker 2: Larry Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center complex,
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Speaker 2: was his role and his business partner's role in the
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Speaker 2: insurance payouts that were extraordinary and unusual following that event.
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Speaker 2: But putting that aside, as you said, Mike, the behavior
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Speaker 2: of this Trump administration, it put options on oil, on
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Speaker 2: S & P 500 stocks, and then call options. So
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Speaker 2: as they ride the dip and then they ride the rebound,
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Speaker 2: they've been doing this periodically. This has now been documented
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Speaker 2: and proven, probably going to be the subject of some
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Speaker 2: big corruption or anti-corruption and charges, perhaps in the new year,
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Speaker 2: depending on the election results in November, how that plays out.
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Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody can look at what's happened,
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Speaker 2: as you said, with regards to the Trump administration's behavior
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Speaker 2: with the Iran war and all of the grift that's
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Speaker 2: gone on, and then ignore all of this evidence that
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Speaker 2: we have of financial thievery and foreknowledge on 9-11. It's
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Speaker 2: just impossible. I can't see how anybody cannot, you know, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, come to that conclusion. So that's why I'm
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Speaker 2: glad you've done this forensic, uh, kind of accounting study
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Speaker 2: with Catherine Ox and Fitz because it's super relevant to
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Speaker 2: what's happening today as well.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Uh, now back to you again, because, uh, in
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Speaker 1: the magazine, you have, uh, produced a narrative on, uh,
23:20
Speaker 1: the filmography that has come out over the last 25
23:24
Speaker 1: years since September 11th that we just put on screen. William, please,
23:30
Speaker 1: just tell us about this.
23:32
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really important to note, Mike, that
23:37
Speaker 2: this issue and bringing it to the public consciousness was
23:40
Speaker 2: driven largely by the first viral film. And there's been
23:44
Speaker 2: a number of important, I think, television and film, either
23:49
Speaker 2: TV episodes or documentary films, and I even included a
23:54
Speaker 2: few feature films in here as well. All of these
23:57
Speaker 2: things help to raise public awareness, puncture the consciousness of
24:02
Speaker 2: people and in the information bubble. So film has been
24:06
Speaker 2: really important. And there's a number of things I've left out.
24:09
Speaker 2: I went for the.
24:10
Speaker 7: Most impactful, but I certainly, I was pulled up by
24:15
Speaker 7: some of my colleagues on this. Not everything is included
24:17
Speaker 7: because we have limited space, but Eric Hoffschmidt's painful questions,
24:22
Speaker 7: I had not included because quite frankly, I forgot about
24:25
Speaker 7: that film. And that's the one of the films that
24:28
Speaker 7: kind of first woke me up early on on this issue,
24:32
Speaker 7: as well as In Plain Sight by Dave Vaughn.
24:36
Speaker 2: Pleased as well. So those were two things. There's another
24:39
Speaker 2: film that's not on this list. It's a recent entry,
24:42
Speaker 2: which is Empire Unmasked. We'll be talking later with the
24:45
Speaker 2: filmmaker Ryan Dawson about his documentary film, which is a
24:49
Speaker 2: major opus on this topic. But suffice to say that
24:54
Speaker 2: the top all time, you know, original viral blockbuster was
24:58
Speaker 2: Loose Change. and Zeitgeist as well, but especially Loose Change.
25:03
Speaker 2: So we had a chance to talk to one of
25:06
Speaker 2: the producers of Loose Change before the show, Jason Burmiss,
25:10
Speaker 2: and really an incredible and very revealing and I think
25:14
Speaker 2: an important discussion came out of that. So it's really,
25:20
Speaker 2: really important this acknowledging the role of documentary films, independent
25:25
Speaker 2: documentary films, especially in raising awareness on this, really important.
25:31
Speaker 1: Issue yes so uh we we're going to look at
25:37
Speaker 1: uh this is a a uh a section from loose
25:41
Speaker 1: change right this is where we're going to start with
25:43
Speaker 1: that patrick yes.
25:45
Speaker 2: Yeah this is one of this is a piece of
25:46
Speaker 2: the trailer of the official trailer for loose change final
25:50
Speaker 2: cut uh we'll play this and then i think we
25:52
Speaker 2: can go into the vermis interview after that.
25:58
Speaker 8: Nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think
25:59
Speaker 8: the prior government could envision flying airplanes into buildings on
26:04
Speaker 8: such a massive scale.
26:05
Speaker 9: But that turns out not to be true.
26:08
Speaker 8: U.S. military planners did envision and practice those very scenarios.
26:12
Speaker 8: I'd like to ask a question.
26:13
Speaker 4: General Myers, the....
26:17
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I would ask, please, people in the audience
26:22
Speaker 2: to be quiet if you want to stay here.
26:24
Speaker 8: During the time that the airplane coming in to the
26:27
Speaker 8: Pentagon There was a young man who would come in
26:30
Speaker 8: and say to the vice president, the plane is 50
26:33
Speaker 8: miles out, the plane is 30 miles out. And when
26:36
Speaker 8: he got down to, the plane is 10 miles out,
26:39
Speaker 8: the young man also said to the vice president, do
26:42
Speaker 8: the orders still stand?
26:44
Speaker 10: Five light poles are knocked out of the ground.
26:47
Speaker 1: One reportedly strikes a Washington, D.C.
26:49
Speaker 4: Taxi driven by Lord English.
26:52
Speaker 11: I'm very curious, and as time goes by, it makes
26:55
Speaker 11: you more curious. I can't drive my car that well,
26:59
Speaker 11: but I can imagine somebody just climbing behind.
27:01
Speaker 1: The wheel of an airplane and doing what they did
27:02
Speaker 1: and doing.
27:03
Speaker 4: It so well.
27:04
Speaker 12: Opinions differ at this point.
27:06
Speaker 6: People that believe a 757 hit the Pentagon, and people
27:10
Speaker 6: that don't.
27:11
Speaker 11: Why I'm involved is simply because I want the truth.
27:15
Speaker 11: The firefighters who walked into those buildings that day did
27:19
Speaker 11: so in order to help other people, same as they
27:21
Speaker 11: do every day. They didn't deserve what happened. I want
27:25
Speaker 11: the truth of what actually happened on the day.
27:27
Speaker 12: We came down, it looked like a bomb went off
27:30
Speaker 12: in the lobby.
27:31
Speaker 9: There was no fire, it just looked like a bomb
27:33
Speaker 9: went off.
27:33
Speaker 5: I believe the bomb hit the lobby first, and a
27:36
Speaker 5: couple of seconds then the first plane hit.
27:38
Speaker 1: It wasn't from the jet fuel, no way.
27:41
Speaker 13: We had just gotten up and the next thing I know,
27:44
Speaker 13: it sounded like a missile came across our house. I mean,
27:47
Speaker 13: they were going that fast. It's hard for me to
27:50
Speaker 13: believe that they did not know about that aircraft until 10.07.
27:56
Speaker 7: Marr orders his air controllers tell the pilots to intercept
28:01
Speaker 7: Flight 93.
28:01
Speaker 9: Well, me and Mr.
28:03
Speaker 11: Hess, the Corporation Counsel, were on the 23rd floor.
28:05
Speaker 14: I told them we got to get out of here.
28:06
Speaker 12: Another gentleman and I walked down to the 8th floor
28:09
Speaker 12: where there was an explosion.
28:10
Speaker 14: We started walking down the stairs and made it to
28:12
Speaker 14: the 8th floor.
28:13
Speaker 2: Big explosion.
28:14
Speaker 9: Flew us back into the 8th floor.
28:16
Speaker 2: He just controlled their militia.
28:18
Speaker 4: Shake-a-waiting.
28:18
Speaker 2: Shake-a-waiting.
28:20
Speaker 1: It was nice going.
28:21
Speaker 2: Remember this. Your government.
28:34
Speaker 4: Funded and trained Al Qaeda.
28:40
Speaker 2: We're looking back at, you know, some of the really
28:43
Speaker 2: impactful pieces of articles, books, but films, films more than anything.
28:49
Speaker 2: The thing I think that opened up the issue of
28:52
Speaker 2: 9-11 to a bigger audience and kind of sunk into
28:56
Speaker 2: the public consciousness were documentary films and the first viral films.
29:01
Speaker 2: And of course, at the top of the list has
29:03
Speaker 2: to be Loose Change. And I think it made a
29:06
Speaker 2: huge impact at the time. You had a chance to
29:08
Speaker 2: be involved with that film as a producer. And just
29:12
Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about how that project came about,
29:15
Speaker 2: what that experience was like for you, and then what
29:17
Speaker 2: it's like looking back at it.
29:21
Speaker 9: You know, certainly at the time, it was a bit surreal.
29:24
Speaker 12: You know, off air, we were just kind of talking
29:27
Speaker 12: about that era of burning discs, right, and how eventually
29:31
Speaker 12: loose change would be shared not only on the internet virally,
29:34
Speaker 12: but we encouraged people to burn DVDs and hand them out. Well,
29:37
Speaker 12: that's really how I got involved in loose changes.
29:40
Speaker 9: The first place.
29:40
Speaker 12: So I was a big internet pirate of just about
29:45
Speaker 12: everything you can imagine. I was on the Notella and
29:48
Speaker 12: Nutella networks. You know, before everybody was using LimeWire, I
29:52
Speaker 12: was using Kazaa and Morpheus, peer-to-peer stuff before torrents existed, right?
29:58
Speaker 12: And so because of that, I'd seen just about every
30:02
Speaker 12: single quote unquote, nine 11 truth film that had been
30:05
Speaker 12: put together by that time. Alex Jones's road to tyranny, uh,
30:10
Speaker 12: Huff Schmidt had painful questions and deceptions, the book slash, uh,
30:15
Speaker 12: DVD combo. You had Dave on Kleist within plain sight.
30:20
Speaker 12: And then along came a 60 minute, uh, documentary called
30:24
Speaker 12: loose change at the time, the very first edition. And it,
30:28
Speaker 12: still controversial to this day because it introed with, um,
30:32
Speaker 12: some of the physical anomaly stuff, uh, the infamous, whether
30:36
Speaker 12: or not the second plane that hit was not flight
30:40
Speaker 12: one 75 and whether there was a flash, um, at
30:43
Speaker 12: the world trade center and a projectile, et cetera. And
30:46
Speaker 12: that ends up getting taken from the second edition. But
30:49
Speaker 12: I had been doing a lot of like a lot
30:51
Speaker 12: of research in regards to video footage that day. So
30:55
Speaker 12: I had already downloaded, not just those types of films, uh,
30:58
Speaker 12: but archived as much of 9-11 as I could, as
31:01
Speaker 12: much raw footage as I could. And that's another way
31:04
Speaker 12: I ended up getting involved in the project. So even
31:08
Speaker 12: before DVD-Rs were getting burned and the film was getting burned,
31:11
Speaker 12: I was burning CD-Rs at 700 megabytes with folders of
31:16
Speaker 12: 9-11 stuff. And it was actually at my night job.
31:21
Speaker 12: I had just gotten a job as a graphic designer.
31:24
Speaker 12: I was like 24, but I was still flipping pizzas
31:27
Speaker 12: at night. And I had a lot of these things
31:29
Speaker 12: on hand, these, these little discs. So I handed one
31:32
Speaker 12: to my pizza guy or I'm sorry, my delivery guy.
31:35
Speaker 12: And he goes, Oh wait, loose changes on this. He goes,
31:38
Speaker 12: I know Corey and Dylan they're from here. He's like,
31:40
Speaker 12: I could call Corey right now. He'd come down and
31:43
Speaker 12: talk to you. And I'm like, really?
31:45
Speaker 9: And he did it.
31:47
Speaker 12: And so Corey came down and I'm sitting there, you know,
31:51
Speaker 12: just thinking it was going to be a regular night.
31:53
Speaker 12: And we talked about, the original loose change and just
31:57
Speaker 12: kind of nine 11 truth and beyond for a while.
32:00
Speaker 12: And all of a sudden he cut me off and
32:01
Speaker 12: he said, Hey man, we're doing a second movie. Uh,
32:05
Speaker 12: I'd love to give you the script and have you
32:07
Speaker 12: go through it and tell me what you think.
32:09
Speaker 9: And so he did.
32:10
Speaker 12: And now on my bus ride to my, my desk job,
32:13
Speaker 12: the next day I had the script for the second
32:16
Speaker 12: edition or the rough script in my hands. Um, later
32:20
Speaker 12: on in the week, Dylan came back from DC and, uh,
32:24
Speaker 12: He came over and he was highly skeptical. You know,
32:27
Speaker 12: Corey had told him about me, but he went through
32:29
Speaker 12: my folders of all this 9-11 stuff. And I pretty
32:33
Speaker 12: much just became part of the team from then on.
32:35
Speaker 12: You know, Dylan was coming over, editing on this little
32:38
Speaker 12: compact laptop. And as it progressed, you know, I got
32:42
Speaker 12: more and more involved. I did my first 9-11 truth
32:45
Speaker 12: meetup in New York City when we had a rough
32:49
Speaker 12: cut of the second edition. It's actually in the original
32:53
Speaker 12: second edition DVD. I printed up these posters up at
32:58
Speaker 12: my print shop, and we went through the subways in
33:00
Speaker 12: New York City and just kind of plastered them everywhere,
33:03
Speaker 12: did that premiere. And honestly, Patrick, I was kind of
33:07
Speaker 12: of the belief this thing was going to be big.
33:10
Speaker 12: I truly had believed in 9-11 Truth at the time.
33:12
Speaker 12: I saw the original edition. I saw how it was
33:17
Speaker 12: much different from everything else that had been put on
33:20
Speaker 12: there and the sensibility of editing and the generational style
33:23
Speaker 12: of it, etc., And they kind of looked at me
33:25
Speaker 12: like I was nuts. I'm the oldest of the group
33:29
Speaker 12: at 24. And then we actually, believe it or not,
33:33
Speaker 12: before the film itself went viral, we went viral giving
33:37
Speaker 12: the film to a local Fox News affiliate. So just
33:41
Speaker 12: before we were getting set to release this thing, Cindy Sheehan,
33:47
Speaker 12: who was an adamant anti-war figure, lost her son in
33:50
Speaker 12: the Iraq war, was coming to Binghamton, New York to
33:53
Speaker 12: do a speech. And we had two finished DVDs. We
33:58
Speaker 12: just sent it off to get mastered. But we had
34:01
Speaker 12: the other two master copies with us. One we gave
34:03
Speaker 12: to Cindy. But when we went there, I had printed
34:06
Speaker 12: up Investigate 9-11 tees. And we had our first like
34:09
Speaker 12: semi-pro camera, this little Canon XLR. And I think it
34:14
Speaker 12: was the XL2 or something. And we're the first ones there.
34:17
Speaker 12: We're in the front row. And this guy sees our shirts.
34:20
Speaker 12: He's like, what's going on here? So we start.
34:22
Speaker 9: Talking to him. And he stops us. And he wants
34:25
Speaker 9: to interview all three of us separately. So he does.
34:28
Speaker 12: We give him a copy. And we don't think much
34:30
Speaker 12: of it. Again, within the next day, we get a call.
34:35
Speaker 12: We watched your movie.
34:36
Speaker 9: We're blown away.
34:37
Speaker 12: You're going to be the main story tonight and tomorrow
34:40
Speaker 12: on local Fox 40 Binghamton.
34:42
Speaker 9: We're like, wow.
34:44
Speaker 12: Again, this is pre even like YouTube being a big
34:48
Speaker 12: thing or being able to put your videos and embed them.
34:51
Speaker 12: So they had to put up like WMV files. And
34:55
Speaker 12: we actually crashed their servers. It was the biggest story
34:58
Speaker 12: they had ever run. We crashed their servers so much
35:01
Speaker 12: the third night they had to do another story on us.
35:04
Speaker 12: So I think at that point, the guys started paying
35:07
Speaker 12: attention that this thing might take on a life of
35:10
Speaker 12: its own. But another aspect of that is that YouTube
35:14
Speaker 12: wasn't owned by Google at the time. And YouTube only
35:17
Speaker 12: had 10 minute videos for most. You had to have
35:19
Speaker 12: a director's account. So in came Google to let you
35:22
Speaker 12: put up a four hour film if you wanted to
35:26
Speaker 12: do it. So, you know, we didn't even put the
35:29
Speaker 12: movie up. You know, somebody else did and then somebody
35:32
Speaker 12: else did. And then all of a sudden it was
35:33
Speaker 12: in this language and that language. And out of the
35:36
Speaker 12: top hundred, a lot of times in the top 10
35:38
Speaker 12: were eight copies of Loose Change in four different languages.
35:42
Speaker 12: So it really did take on a life of its own. Um,
35:46
Speaker 12: you said, you know, the first internet blockbuster, we actually
35:48
Speaker 12: got that moniker from vanity fair that was forced to
35:51
Speaker 12: do a story on us. And, you know, culturally, I
35:55
Speaker 12: think obviously it had a big impact. I wish the
35:58
Speaker 12: movement had went, went farther, but I also wasn't a dummy, right?
36:02
Speaker 12: Like you can go watch me at, um, this conference
36:06
Speaker 12: that we got put on before the fifth anniversary of
36:08
Speaker 12: nine 11 with Charlie Sheen helped put it on, you know,
36:11
Speaker 12: he was one of the few celebrities that came out,
36:13
Speaker 12: but he wasn't the only one, right? You know, David
36:15
Speaker 12: Lynch started talking about it. You had Kevin Smith talking
36:19
Speaker 12: about it. Richard Branson put it on Virgin Airlines for
36:23
Speaker 12: a day before getting ripped apart in the media by
36:26
Speaker 12: Bill O'Reilly. So, you know, Mark Cuban thought about, you know,
36:30
Speaker 12: distributing the film. It was one of those things where,
36:32
Speaker 12: you know, it somehow infiltrated that. And I got up
36:36
Speaker 12: there and said, look, if we don't do this on
36:37
Speaker 12: the fifth anniversary of 9-11, I go, I don't know.
36:40
Speaker 12: Do we have to wait till the 10th, the 20th?
36:43
Speaker 12: And now we're at the 25th. And look, I think
36:46
Speaker 12: that in a lot of ways, on many of the subjects,
36:48
Speaker 12: we've won in the court of public opinion within the
36:51
Speaker 12: cultural zeitgeist. And just today, and it's not a big
36:57
Speaker 12: win because it's not 9-11 truth stuff in the sense
36:59
Speaker 12: of the attacks and the investigations and the FBI and
37:02
Speaker 12: CIA documents that we don't have. But finally, they've released,
37:05
Speaker 12: I believe it's something like 170,000 pages on the air
37:09
Speaker 12: quality and the EPA issues that they lied about. So
37:12
Speaker 12: they didn't have to pay out all this money. To
37:15
Speaker 12: the firefighters that weren't getting and the first responders and
37:17
Speaker 12: quite frankly, the citizenry, right? Anybody in that vicinity that
37:21
Speaker 12: ended up having serious medical issues, some of them so serious,
37:25
Speaker 12: they developed cancer and died. And, you know, I met
37:28
Speaker 12: with some of these people, for instance, the Zadroga Act.
37:32
Speaker 12: You know, he's no longer with us, but, you know,
37:34
Speaker 12: I was able to spend a couple afternoons with that guy.
37:37
Speaker 12: Heroes like John Feel, another first responder, he fought for
37:40
Speaker 12: these people forever. And, you know, you were fighting against
37:44
Speaker 12: Christy Whitman, the government in general, and just the fact
37:47
Speaker 12: that it took almost 25 years now for them to
37:50
Speaker 12: release these documents should let you know you don't trust
37:53
Speaker 12: the government on any serious issue.
37:56
Speaker 9: You have to keep fighting for transparency.
38:01
Speaker 2: And if anything, this film... it, it, it planted a
38:07
Speaker 2: seed of doubt in people's minds. It's, it's a lot
38:11
Speaker 2: of people want to have a proven replacement for the
38:14
Speaker 2: official story, but it's almost impossible when everything's secret and classified,
38:19
Speaker 2: but your film definitely, it, it, it calls into question
38:24
Speaker 2: and beyond a shadow of a doubt, it, it, it,
38:28
Speaker 2: plants that seed of doubt in the official story, questions
38:30
Speaker 2: the official story, so that that means the real story,
38:34
Speaker 2: the truth about what happened is not the official story.
38:37
Speaker 2: And I think from that point of view, Loose Change
38:40
Speaker 2: was a great success. Where things go from there, Jason,
38:43
Speaker 2: is a different story.
38:44
Speaker 4: As you know.
38:45
Speaker 9: And let's talk about that just for a second.
38:49
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, We're not perfect. And like you said,
38:52
Speaker 12: it's so difficult. You know, right now we got the
38:54
Speaker 12: 25th anniversary. I'm going to be in New York City
38:56
Speaker 12: with the International Center for 9-11 Justice. And I've been
39:01
Speaker 12: working on with a lot of other very talented academics.
39:03
Speaker 12: I have a very small part compared to others. This report,
39:06
Speaker 12: we're trying to get to the Senate. You know, last
39:08
Speaker 12: year we had Ron Johnson there. Again, he's an imperfect vessel,
39:12
Speaker 12: but he's one of the only guys out there with
39:14
Speaker 12: Rand Paul questioning the COVID-1984 nightmare, right?
39:18
Speaker 9: Dennis Kucinich is going to.
39:19
Speaker 12: Be there this year. He was last year. Kurt Weldon,
39:21
Speaker 12: he was there last year. He's talking more and more
39:24
Speaker 12: about 9-11. We have to push forward, right? We have
39:27
Speaker 12: to win in the court of public opinion as much
39:29
Speaker 12: as possible. And we have to expose these things, even
39:31
Speaker 12: though we're probably not going to get criminal prosecutions and
39:34
Speaker 12: justice in that sense. But because we have to understand
39:38
Speaker 12: so much of our foreign and domestic policy is still
39:41
Speaker 12: based on that narrative, that great narrative that they've pushed.
39:45
Speaker 12: And how many of these great narratives have simply been
39:47
Speaker 12: proven false? Now, that doesn't mean We have all the answers.
39:52
Speaker 12: But it does mean that you can't put trust in
39:55
Speaker 12: these organizations and you constantly have to push back. You know,
39:59
Speaker 12: I look at COVID as that era where those that
40:04
Speaker 12: were in the know about how much we've been lied
40:06
Speaker 12: to were able to protect their families. You know, I
40:09
Speaker 12: moved from New York to Iowa. You can bet nobody
40:13
Speaker 12: in my family got those hate and lie shots. And
40:15
Speaker 12: I told my audience from the beginning not to do it. So,
40:19
Speaker 12: you know, the better that you can arm yourself and
40:21
Speaker 12: your friends, your family with real information, the better you
40:25
Speaker 12: can fight the battles on the ground that are so important,
40:28
Speaker 12: you know, and then we can continue to fight the
40:30
Speaker 12: macro because I think that's important too.
40:37
Speaker 2: So, yeah. tremendous discussion with Jason Burmess, who's a producer
40:42
Speaker 2: on Loose Change. And just looking back, it's just fascinating,
40:47
Speaker 2: everything that was going on at the time. We all
40:49
Speaker 2: share that kind of journey of trying to explore and
40:52
Speaker 2: discover a deep structural or deep state issue like this.
40:57
Speaker 2: And I think Jason's contribution in that discussion has been invaluable.
41:02
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Patrick. Basil, what are your thoughts?
41:05
Speaker 5: Well, it's extraordinary that we are 41 minutes into a
41:10
Speaker 5: discussion of 9-11 and nobody's yet mentioned what happened.
41:14
Speaker 1: At the Pentagon.
41:15
Speaker 5: You know, supposedly that was hit by a plane, although
41:19
Speaker 5: there's no evidence of that. And of course, CBS News
41:21
Speaker 5: at the time and a reporter on the lawn saying,
41:25
Speaker 5: there's no sign of a plane having crashed anywhere near
41:28
Speaker 5: the Pentagon. Of course, that report was only aired once.
41:30
Speaker 5: It was, in fact, hit by a missile, possibly fired
41:34
Speaker 5: from a dolphin-class submarine in Washington Bay. And, of course,
41:38
Speaker 5: the Shanksville fairy tale, where an entire aircraft managed to
41:43
Speaker 5: burrow its way into the ground, leaving no trace. So,
41:46
Speaker 5: you know, the loose threads that come out of the
41:49
Speaker 5: story are endless.
41:52
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42:32
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42:34
Speaker 1: for the 20th anniversary event taking place next weekend, 18th
42:38
Speaker 1: to 20th of September here in Plymouth. And if you
42:41
Speaker 1: aren't able to join us in person, do pick up
42:44
Speaker 1: a ticket for the live stream if you can. Now,
42:47
Speaker 1: let's just move on then. Tonight, Germ is not producing
42:51
Speaker 1: a new program. Other things have taken priority. But we
42:56
Speaker 1: are rerunning his interview with Matt Campbell, of course, his brother,
42:59
Speaker 1: passed away in the Twin Towers in the collapse. Join
43:04
Speaker 1: us at 7 p.m. for a rerun of that. And
43:07
Speaker 1: at 7 p.m. on Sunday, part two of Jake's discussion
43:12
Speaker 1: with Mark Plain of Nod of the Babe is... at
43:16
Speaker 1: 7 p.m. on Sunday. Okay, let's move on then. And Patrick,
43:23
Speaker 1: back to you. Let's have a quick chat about our
43:29
Speaker 1: next guest.
43:31
Speaker 7: Sure.
43:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, not included. Thanks, Mike. Not included in the filmography
43:36
Speaker 2: are some of the recent documentary releases on 9-11. And
43:40
Speaker 2: there's one film in particular that I think is going
43:44
Speaker 2: to be important in this discussion. It's a very much
43:48
Speaker 2: a longer form documentary. It's by filmmaker Ryan Dawson, who
43:53
Speaker 2: will be joining us in just a moment. But the
43:55
Speaker 2: film is Empire Unmasked. And this is a four-hour independent film.
44:01
Speaker 2: And it's excellent. And it brings in a lot of
44:04
Speaker 2: other aspects to this. It paints a much wider picture
44:08
Speaker 2: of And we'll talk to the filmmaker about that.
44:12
Speaker 4: But we do.
44:12
Speaker 2: Have a clip from just a short section here from
44:16
Speaker 2: Empire Unmasked.
44:19
Speaker 9: We'll roll that.
44:19
Speaker 2: 9-11.
44:41
Speaker 15: I'm going to show you some live clips of the
44:43
Speaker 15: truck bombings. In case you never saw them, forgot about them,
44:47
Speaker 15: or don't believe me. Also pay attention to these live
44:50
Speaker 15: reports about the explosions at the base, the lobby, the
44:54
Speaker 15: basement of the building. These are, of course, from eyewitnesses, survivors, firemen, police,
45:00
Speaker 15: and the FBI. This would all get a nice whitewashing
45:03
Speaker 15: and be replaced by no-plainer-nonsense news. and disinformation ranging from
45:08
Speaker 15: Bavarian death cults to space rays.
45:10
Speaker 14: NBC's Pat Dawson is close to the scene of that attack.
45:13
Speaker 3: Pat?
45:14
Speaker 14: Just moments ago, I spoke to the chief of safety
45:18
Speaker 14: for the New York City Fire Department. He received word
45:21
Speaker 14: of the possibility of a secondary device. That is another
45:24
Speaker 14: bomb going off. He tried to get his men out
45:26
Speaker 14: as quickly as he could, but he said that there
45:29
Speaker 14: was another explosion which took place. And then an hour
45:32
Speaker 14: after the first explosion, hit here with the first crash
45:36
Speaker 14: that took place. He said there was another explosion that
45:40
Speaker 14: took place in one of the towers here. According to
45:43
Speaker 14: his theory, he thinks that there were actually devices that
45:46
Speaker 14: were planted in the building.
45:51
Speaker 2: So that's just a short clip from Empire Unmasked. That's
45:55
Speaker 2: an independent film by our next guest. I want to
45:57
Speaker 2: welcome on to the program Ryan Dawson, joining us on
46:02
Speaker 2: the live link from very far away, in fact, along
46:06
Speaker 2: the Pacific Rim. Ryan, welcome to the program.
46:10
Speaker 10: Thanks, Patrick.
46:11
Speaker 4: Thanks for having.
46:13
Speaker 3: Me.
46:13
Speaker 2: Ryan, the first question I want to ask you about
46:15
Speaker 2: this film is, I know this was a long time
46:18
Speaker 2: in the making, and what makes this film different than
46:22
Speaker 2: a lot of other previous 9-11 independent efforts. I know
46:28
Speaker 2: you're getting into a much broader picture in this film.
46:31
Speaker 2: If you can just talk about the process of how
46:34
Speaker 2: you approach this. It's such a vast topic, but go ahead.
46:40
Speaker 10: I actually had my film out early too.
46:41
Speaker 6: It's just unlike everyone else, I was banned on all
46:44
Speaker 6: social media and I was banned on all payment processors when.
46:47
Speaker 10: I talked about 9-11, probably because my film is accurate.
46:53
Speaker 6: I get harassed by the airplane deniers and the hijacker deniers.
46:58
Speaker 6: People need to understand is, look, Al-Qaeda did 9-11, but
47:02
Speaker 6: Al-Qaeda has never been separate from state sponsorship. It wasn't
47:05
Speaker 6: before 9-11 in Afghanistan. It wasn't after 9-11 in Syria
47:09
Speaker 6: or Libya. They've always, all these international terrorist organizations have
47:13
Speaker 6: secret state sponsorship. So I went into the role of
47:16
Speaker 6: Saudi Arabia and Israel in the United States and how
47:18
Speaker 6: they've been running these rent-a-terrorists from Iran-Contra Operation Cyclone, Operation
47:23
Speaker 6: Eagle Claw, and then Timber Sycamore.
47:25
Speaker 10: And, of course, during the events of 9-11.
47:27
Speaker 6: It always baffled me that people are wondering about how
47:31
Speaker 6: people got access to the towers or how the towers
47:34
Speaker 6: were taken down.
47:34
Speaker 10: It's not a mystery. They were caught. We had, for example,
47:40
Speaker 10: Zakir Hamad, Mohammed Firzai, Khalid Odalla, and their.
47:43
Speaker 6: Ring were busted doing illegal work on the fire prevention
47:46
Speaker 6: systems in the towers and did go to jail. We
47:49
Speaker 6: had an Israeli front company of moving systems that were
47:52
Speaker 6: in and out of the towers who had traces of
47:55
Speaker 6: explosives in.
47:55
Speaker 10: Their vans and another van caught with bombs, red-handed.
47:59
Speaker 6: And also went to jail. So it's not a question mark.
48:02
Speaker 6: You don't have to look for nanothermite or any of
48:04
Speaker 6: that nonsense. We have state intelligence operations, names and everything,
48:09
Speaker 6: who were doing illegal work in the towers and got busted.
48:12
Speaker 6: We have CIA cover-up for two of the men on
48:15
Speaker 6: Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, Nawifahaz and Fino Amidhar.
48:19
Speaker 10: We know that.
48:20
Speaker 6: They followed him to a KSM al-Qaeda summit in Malaysia
48:23
Speaker 6: and didn't share information with the FBI. It's just endless
48:27
Speaker 6: amounts of just lies. I mean, how did they attach
48:32
Speaker 6: it to Iraq? Well, they said there was a meeting
48:34
Speaker 6: with Mohammed Atta between senior Iraqi officials in Prague.
48:37
Speaker 10: No, there wasn't. Iraq didn't have anthrax.
48:41
Speaker 6: Neither did Al-Qaeda. And there was no meeting in Prague.
48:43
Speaker 6: But the origin of that? Israeli security forces supposedly witnessed
48:47
Speaker 6: an event that didn't take place. And that got published
48:51
Speaker 6: first in Kushner's own paper, Charles Kushner's New York Observer.
48:55
Speaker 10: It's the one that first lied about it in the L.A.
48:57
Speaker 10: Times and so on. Ata never went to Prague. But
49:01
Speaker 10: the note said, death to America, death to Israel.
49:03
Speaker 6: And it's the Israelis, the ones caught in vans and
49:05
Speaker 6: the ones celebrating and the ones spying on Al-Qaeda and giving.
49:07
Speaker 4: Them logistical support.
49:09
Speaker 6: So it just bothered me that people over-focused on the
49:12
Speaker 6: physics and didn't look at who did it. I feel
49:14
Speaker 6: like if someone burns your house down, you don't sit
49:17
Speaker 6: and argue about whether to use kerosene or gasoline.
49:19
Speaker 10: You want to know who burned your house down.
49:24
Speaker 2: Now, the Israeli angle to this story is probably one
49:29
Speaker 2: of the most explosive. And I know that when you're
49:33
Speaker 2: talking about intelligence services, clandestine operations, it's hard to pin
49:40
Speaker 2: down some of the The like say incriminating details. However, however,
49:47
Speaker 2: it does seem like there is a preponderance of evidence
49:51
Speaker 2: regarding Israeli involvement and you know, have you What would
49:57
Speaker 2: you say are the most compelling pieces of evidence there
50:00
Speaker 2: if one was to open up a discussion on that
50:03
Speaker 2: particular line of inquiry?
50:06
Speaker 6: We have two different fronts because for me I The
50:09
Speaker 6: Warner Rock was a lot more egregious than 9-11. If
50:12
Speaker 6: you want to go by death toll, it's horrible as
50:14
Speaker 6: 9-11 was. Nearly a million people end up dying because
50:17
Speaker 6: of this pointless Warner Rock. And 100% 9-11 was erroneously
50:22
Speaker 6: attached to Iraq with this bogus story about anthrax. And
50:25
Speaker 6: that originated with the Israelis. And you look at who
50:28
Speaker 6: actually stole anthrax on film from the labs, named Philip Zak.
50:32
Speaker 10: It's on tape.
50:34
Speaker 6: They didn't even interview him as a person of interest.
50:37
Speaker 6: They lied about that completely. Now, as far as the
50:39
Speaker 6: events of 9-11, one has to understand that the U.S.
50:43
Speaker 6: outsources to the Israelis and the Saudis for a lot
50:47
Speaker 6: of these terrorist cells. The Americans don't even have enough
50:50
Speaker 6: linguists in the FBI or CIA to speak basic Arabic.
50:54
Speaker 6: to to monitor this so they use it they if
50:57
Speaker 6: you look at the official story they blame the financing
50:59
Speaker 6: of 9-11 on mustafa ahmed aloha ramsay bin al-shib and
51:04
Speaker 6: ali al-zulaziz but they don't explain where those three got
51:07
Speaker 6: the money from it's because it comes from states what.
51:11
Speaker 10: They ignore is omar baghimi.
51:12
Speaker 6: And osama basnan and that ultimately goes back to prince
51:15
Speaker 6: turkey ben fasila and bandar bush.
51:18
Speaker 10: And I can prove all of that.
51:20
Speaker 6: And that's your Saudi connection. The Saudis and Israelis were
51:23
Speaker 6: a canning glove. The Israeli art students, and no, it
51:26
Speaker 6: is not the art students in the Tower of Repulse.
51:29
Speaker 10: Film about that.
51:30
Speaker 6: Those are Austrian art students who are actual art students.
51:32
Speaker 6: I'm talking about the ones spying on the DEA in.
51:34
Speaker 10: Florida are some of the same.
51:36
Speaker 6: That are caught later in the moving companies in New York.
51:39
Speaker 6: The Miami FBI field office actually contacted the Newark office
51:42
Speaker 6: to tell them that the said moving companies of Israelis
51:45
Speaker 6: who were caught celebrating got arrested. had given a ride
51:49
Speaker 6: to one of the 9-11 hijackers.
51:50
Speaker 10: They moved around wherever they went.
51:51
Speaker 6: They were spying on their mailboxes, spying on their addresses,
51:54
Speaker 6: and giving them logistical support. And that's in the JAS report,
51:58
Speaker 6: the Joint Inquiry Senate Investigation of September 11th.
52:02
Speaker 10: But no one reads that. They only read the 9-11 Commission.
52:04
Speaker 10: They don't even know the JS report exists.
52:06
Speaker 6: They don't know the Sabre memorandum exists. A lot of
52:09
Speaker 6: documents say it's not hidden. There's no Illuminati. It's nothing
52:14
Speaker 6: like that. It's just pure incompetence on the part of
52:17
Speaker 6: the government and the researchers.
52:21
Speaker 2: You brought up the anthrax issue, Ryan, and that's something
52:24
Speaker 2: a lot of people... uh, experience, but have kind of
52:27
Speaker 2: what it's been wiped from the memory is what happened
52:30
Speaker 2: in the immediate aftermath of nine 11. I'm talking about
52:33
Speaker 2: two major, uh, sort of it's deep state events. One
52:37
Speaker 2: are the anthrax attacks, uh, across the U S government,
52:41
Speaker 2: as well as the DC shooter. These are two kind
52:44
Speaker 2: of crises that were kind of injected in the immediate
52:48
Speaker 2: aftermath of the tragedy of the hysteria of the chaos
52:53
Speaker 2: post nine 11, uh, And how would you view these
52:57
Speaker 2: two events now looking back historically in retrospect?
53:03
Speaker 4: Well, the D.C.
53:04
Speaker 6: Shooters is a horrible terrorist attack by a man and
53:07
Speaker 6: a boy that are shooting people with a sniper.
53:10
Speaker 10: Rifle out of a drilled hole in the back of
53:13
Speaker 10: a trunk of a car.
53:14
Speaker 6: Not related to 9-11, but it is a huge terrorist
53:16
Speaker 6: attack on Bush's watch. And all these extra measures didn't
53:20
Speaker 6: prevent it. But the anthrax attack was initially blamed on al-Qaeda.
53:24
Speaker 6: The notes even had 9-11 written on the top of them.
53:28
Speaker 6: And they sent hoax anthrax to Judith Miller.
53:30
Speaker 10: Somebody did, right?
53:33
Speaker 6: She's always lied and said everything was Iraq. She blamed
53:35
Speaker 6: Oklahoma City on Iraq. She blamed the 93 World Trade
53:38
Speaker 6: Center on Iraq. She blamed 9-11 on Iraq. Iraq had
53:41
Speaker 6: nothing to do with any of those events, by the way.
53:44
Speaker 6: And Howard Troxler got fake anthrax. She made a big mistake, though,
53:48
Speaker 6: because in her letter, it had an identical note to
53:51
Speaker 6: another letter to NBC. So you can't claim it's a
53:55
Speaker 6: copycat attack because they hadn't opened the NBC letter yet.
53:58
Speaker 6: So for her to have an identical note, I mean,
54:00
Speaker 6: you think Al-Qaeda is out there sending fake notes to her,
54:03
Speaker 6: but real notes to NBC? The anthrax, the weapons-grade anthrax
54:07
Speaker 6: they used was made in Dugway and then a game
54:10
Speaker 6: function added to it for Future Maryland.
54:13
Speaker 10: And the people that did it, we know who did it.
54:19
Speaker 6: The problem is when you really nail down this issue
54:22
Speaker 6: and tell the truth, you get censored. If you want
54:25
Speaker 6: to talk about like building seven, they don't care. Building
54:28
Speaker 6: seven was hit by building one. So was building six
54:30
Speaker 6: and building five. All three fell that day. All three
54:32
Speaker 6: were sealed. It's not a big deal. The Pentagon's a
54:36
Speaker 6: big deal. But if you deny an airplane at the Pentagon,
54:38
Speaker 6: then you don't have a paper trail to the hijackers
54:41
Speaker 6: on that plane, which go right back to the Saudis
54:43
Speaker 6: and CIA. The whole paper trail disappears if you don't
54:45
Speaker 6: have hijackers. And you're saying it's remote control. And you've
54:49
Speaker 6: got nothing to lead you back to who did it.
54:54
Speaker 2: And then lastly, Ryan, congratulations. On the 25th anniversary, what
55:00
Speaker 2: do you think the chances are that there'll be anything
55:04
Speaker 2: close to at some point in the future? Is there
55:08
Speaker 2: any chance of criminal prosecutions and or getting any justice
55:14
Speaker 2: on this issue with maybe subsequent governments or administrations? What's
55:19
Speaker 2: your opinion?
55:21
Speaker 10: It's not going to happen.
55:22
Speaker 6: We have 9-11 victims' families suing for information we already have.
55:27
Speaker 6: I had the information on the 28 pages.
55:29
Speaker 10: Out before it was released. And it finally got released
55:31
Speaker 10: and it just.
55:31
Speaker 6: Exonerated everything I'd been saying anyway. You can find these
55:34
Speaker 6: things open source. There's a huge one with General Mahmoud
55:37
Speaker 6: Ahmed who ordered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh to send $ 100, 000
55:42
Speaker 6: to Mohammed Atta who slammed a plane into the North Tower.
55:48
Speaker 6: And that was confirmed by Dennis Lommel who was director
55:51
Speaker 6: of the FBI's.
55:54
Speaker 10: Financial crime unit. but it was omitted from the 9-11
55:57
Speaker 10: commission report, both names. But he did do it.
56:00
Speaker 6: And the only reason Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh was out
56:04
Speaker 6: of jail in the first place is because of the
56:05
Speaker 6: hostage swap. He'd have been busted in 1994 in India,
56:08
Speaker 6: kidnapping Western tourists. He got out in 99 from a
56:11
Speaker 6: hostage swap. Ends up going back to jail after 2002
56:14
Speaker 6: for the bad ending of Daniel Pearl. But he did
56:18
Speaker 6: send $ 100, 000 to Muhammad Abbas. But that ties in ISI.
56:22
Speaker 6: And so they're like, no, we don't want any state involvement.
56:23
Speaker 6: Al-Qaeda did it all by themselves and was directed by
56:26
Speaker 6: a man in a cave, da-da-da-da. But he didn't have
56:30
Speaker 6: the finances to do it. That isn't where the paper
56:32
Speaker 6: trail goes, because right back to Saudi princes who had
56:35
Speaker 6: been working with the CIA. We had the CIA say
56:39
Speaker 6: that they had information of.
56:40
Speaker 10: The FBI when they had not. We have FBI whistleblowers
56:43
Speaker 10: and NSA whistleblowers, and they're just being ignored.
56:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, another state actor, Pakistan, to throw into the mix there.
56:52
Speaker 2: But listen, Ryan Dawson, Empire Unmasked is a documentary that's
56:56
Speaker 2: available on Rumble. Over to you, Mike.
57:03
Speaker 1: Thank you, Patrick. I think Basil has one question, Ryan,
57:07
Speaker 1: just before you go.
57:09
Speaker 5: Well, just that, you know, there is no evidence a
57:12
Speaker 5: plane hit the Pentagon. I appreciate the point about... Well,
57:16
Speaker 5: we'll have to agree to disagree on that, Ryan.
57:19
Speaker 6: We have DNA from all the passengers except the baby
57:21
Speaker 6: sitting at Walter Reed. There's a plane-sized hole in the
57:23
Speaker 6: front of the Pentagon and debris from the plane in
57:25
Speaker 6: the Pentagon. and a black box.
57:28
Speaker 10: You have a tire sitting in front of the steering
57:30
Speaker 10: and the fuselage.
57:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there are a couple of stills showing
57:36
Speaker 5: that it passed over the Pentagon and the Pentagon was
57:38
Speaker 5: actually hit by something else. And we know that they
57:41
Speaker 5: deposited debris on the lawn afterwards.
57:42
Speaker 6: You have all the firemen, you have all the medical personnel,
57:45
Speaker 6: you have all the employees, all the EMTs, you have
57:47
Speaker 6: all of Alter Reed, you have all those passengers who
57:49
Speaker 6: are dead that did not just disappear.
57:51
Speaker 4: You have all the.
57:51
Speaker 10: Witnesses who saw a plane go to the Pentagon, none
57:53
Speaker 10: who saw it fly away from the Pentagon. You have
57:55
Speaker 10: a big fireball, you have a giant hole, and you
57:56
Speaker 10: have debris of the plane in the Pentagon.
58:00
Speaker 9: And Shanksville?
58:04
Speaker 10: When we moved to Gold Post in Shanksville, the passengers
58:06
Speaker 10: took down the plane.
58:08
Speaker 5: The passengers took down the plane. How come they were
58:10
Speaker 5: never recovered? We can carry on with this discussion.
58:13
Speaker 6: They had the black box in Shanksville. It was played
58:15
Speaker 6: at the Moussaoui trial. And actually, that's very important because
58:18
Speaker 6: it shows that Zayi al-Jar was not on the plane.
58:22
Speaker 6: He had first cousins who worked for the Israeli government.
58:26
Speaker 6: In all of his... It was Gamni that was flying
58:30
Speaker 6: the plane. That's said by the other hijackers who certainly
58:33
Speaker 6: would know who would hijack the plane. They yell his
58:36
Speaker 6: name up, up, down, down. They're telling what to do
58:38
Speaker 6: as the Russians are coming. Zaid al-Jarrah's cousins, Yusuf al-Jarrah
58:42
Speaker 6: and Ali al-Jarrah, were busted as spies on Hezbollah.
58:44
Speaker 10: Not only do they work for Israel, they work for
58:46
Speaker 10: Israeli intelligence. He never got on the plane.
58:49
Speaker 6: But they found his passport with a little burn corner.
58:51
Speaker 6: And we proved that he was ever there. But you
58:53
Speaker 6: can't get at that story. If you act like the
58:55
Speaker 6: plane was shot out of the air and the hijackers
58:57
Speaker 6: don't exist, that all disappears. They don't want you to
59:00
Speaker 6: know the paper trail back to Israel.
59:03
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
59:04
Speaker 5: I'm fully on board with that. It's just simply the
59:06
Speaker 5: ultimate destination of the planes where we disagree, Ryan. were
59:10
Speaker 5: hijacked or that there isn't a paper trail leading back
59:12
Speaker 5: to tel aviv just what happened to the.
59:14
Speaker 6: Plane was probably going to hit the capitol building they
59:16
Speaker 6: all said the white house on tv but they had
59:18
Speaker 6: no evidence or reason to say that.
59:21
Speaker 1: Yeah okay yes thank you basil thank you ryan uh
59:26
Speaker 1: clearly we're going to have an interesting conversation an extra
59:29
Speaker 1: uh look It's been a fascinating program today. Thank you
59:32
Speaker 1: to everybody that's taken part and thank you to everybody
59:34
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59:37
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59:52
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59:59
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