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Chris Pronger Returns: Goalie Switches, Marner's Surge and Berube Fired. · NHL Unscripted with Virk and Demers

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  Speaker 1: NHL Unscripted is a production of the NHL and iHeart podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up on NHL and Scripted, we give flowers to
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  Speaker 1: PK Sue Band considering the Habs them.
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  Speaker 2: We have the Habs find their biggest fan.
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  Speaker 1: Plus what's gonna happen with Matt bab Metzkoff and the
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  Speaker 1: Flyers after this summer. Chris Pronger is our special guest,
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  Speaker 1: my friend and colleague from our time on Amazon Prime
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  Speaker 1: when Hockey Prongs is proning his new book called Earned
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately Nate Thompson not with us today on assignment,
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  Speaker 1: so it is truly Verkin demurrors back once again. Tow
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  Speaker 1: will be for sure to supplant whatever Nate's going to say. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: So Jenny, good to see as always, Buddy. Let's kick
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  Speaker 1: things off of the fact that rackets busted in some ways.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think this has.
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  Speaker 1: Been a in some ways are predictable playoffs, and that
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  Speaker 1: the Avalanche looked great, Carolina's looked really good, but at
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  Speaker 1: times there's been some surprises along the way. What I
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  Speaker 1: want to start with though, is Goldie switches. We're barely
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  Speaker 1: into the second round of the playoffs already seeing some
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  Speaker 1: movement in the crease.
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  Speaker 3: Colorado for a.
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  Speaker 1: Team that is the primitive favorite, pulling Scott Wedgwood in
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  Speaker 1: a five to one Game three loss Saturday, Minnesota after
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  Speaker 1: giving him three goals on nine shots. Bekenzie Blackwood starts
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  Speaker 1: Game four stopping nineteen twenty one in a big Colorado wins.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh, the guy got the hook for
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  Speaker 1: a game and he's got no Blackwoods in right meantime,
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo already pulled Uka Pecaluca and for Alex Line in
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  Speaker 1: the first run against Boston. Now Line gives up eleven
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  Speaker 1: goals first two games against Montreal, but still overall same
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  Speaker 1: percents of well over nine hundred, whereas Uka was eight.
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  Speaker 2: To seventy one, and he puts him in. Yes, heck
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  Speaker 2: hooked on.
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  Speaker 1: So Uka comes in twenty eight staves in their Game
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  Speaker 1: four win. I know that you can't have one goalie
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  Speaker 1: go the entire way, and this is a different NHL
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  Speaker 1: in which two guys.
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  Speaker 3: Always split the entire regular season.
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  Speaker 1: But your level of reaction to the fact two teams
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  Speaker 1: who are trying to make real pushes are not hesitating
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  Speaker 1: in the fact they can pull their quote unquote number
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  Speaker 1: one guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I but both those goalies.
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  Speaker 4: Like at times this year, it has truly been in
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  Speaker 4: Buffalo and Colorado, it's been a one A, one B situation.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's something new, right, but like I
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  Speaker 4: kind of listen, Jared Bednar is one of the most
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  Speaker 4: intelligent coaches in the NHL. If you talk to anybody
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  Speaker 4: that's within inner circles, he knows, he knows his shit
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  Speaker 4: front back. He knows exactly what buttons to push, so stoic,
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  Speaker 4: and it almost feels like I think everybody's surprised in
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  Speaker 4: Colorado that they didn't need to go to Blackwood until
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  Speaker 4: now because they've been because Wedgwood's been so dominant, and
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  Speaker 4: I just think it was one of those situations. It's
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  Speaker 4: a little different than Buffalo because I think Alex Lyon
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  Speaker 4: was kind of that game and in the Sabers weren't
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  Speaker 4: playing great. They hadn't played great, they haven't played great
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  Speaker 4: in this series against Montreal. I think Montreal's led play
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  Speaker 4: all of this series and has been the better team,
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  Speaker 4: you know, So I for it to be two to
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  Speaker 4: two in the series I think is is I found Buffalo.
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  Speaker 4: I could not be more ecstatic that it's too too
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  Speaker 4: because it could easily be three to one in this series,
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  Speaker 4: and Lion's been good. But I think, you know, Lyon,
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  Speaker 4: he's what.
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  Speaker 3: Am I saying?
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  Speaker 1: Lion Lion? Yeah, I feel like I'm fucking it up
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  Speaker 1: in my own head. When you think of lying, you
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  Speaker 1: think of l I O n Y Yeah, yeah, Lion.
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  Speaker 4: Lieon looks Lyon no like Lion, just I think the
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  Speaker 4: game he's still giving up some and defensively they've been bad.
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  Speaker 4: And I think this was, you know, this was more
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  Speaker 4: Lindy going to upl thinking. You know, he was the
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  Speaker 4: starter for a lot of the year. Lion stole the net.
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  Speaker 4: They also Colton Nell's come in, so for him, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like he was more graspan at Straws, like I
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  Speaker 4: got to get the team going Colorado. I feel like it's, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we got to get in Blackwood at some point in
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  Speaker 4: these playoffs because it's just been the way that it's gone.
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  Speaker 4: And I think Colorado has been so dominant that they
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  Speaker 4: haven't needed to and Wedgewood's been incredible and that was
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  Speaker 4: the first kind of chink in the armor and they,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think they're so used to going back
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  Speaker 4: and forth all season long, and I know Wedgwood had
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  Speaker 4: the net for long periods of time. But I think
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  Speaker 4: it's like Beddner being like, let's just give him a rest.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna be back in at some point in these playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Child, you see similar leadership styles. Jared Bednar, Bob Bender.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I mean I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with
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  Speaker 3: ben Nar in the hair debate.
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  Speaker 5: That's for sure offense to Bob Bender, but that our
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  Speaker 5: salad is is primo stuff, you know. I think you know,
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  Speaker 5: both both great leaders, both both heavy handed when they
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  Speaker 5: need to be.
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  Speaker 2: Although I'm just curious, JD.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to know do teams play differently when
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  Speaker 5: they make the goalie switch, Like is there a sense like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: this guy lost his job, now he's got it back.
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  Speaker 2: Let's, you know, let's let's.
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  Speaker 5: Come out and give him an extra special performance because
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  Speaker 5: you play yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, If you hate the goalie, he's a piece of shit,
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  Speaker 4: you're not giving him anything. But if he's if you
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  Speaker 4: love him, you're playing Calvin Pickard, perfect example. Guys love
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  Speaker 4: them exactly, guys you know people would just try to
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  Speaker 4: hate on them. I'm like, these guys absolutely love them
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  Speaker 4: in that locker room and they'll just no, I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, as a d man, you know when we'd
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  Speaker 4: have a goalie change, especially now at this point in
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs, And it's happened before when I played in
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  Speaker 4: San Jose in those years I was in the playoffs
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  Speaker 4: in Dallas, and you kind of just look at each
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  Speaker 4: other and the coach comes in and will be like, hey, guys, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, let them see, let them see everything, and
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  Speaker 4: just make sure, like you clean up all the mess
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  Speaker 4: early on, let them get comfortable. And it's like you
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  Speaker 4: kind of look back at him and you're like, we got you.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna make sure we're tight defensively,
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  Speaker 4: because you know that game, you know the game they
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  Speaker 4: lost with with Wedgwood and nets, they didn't play great defensively.
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  Speaker 4: They kind of had some holes.
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  Speaker 1: Meantime, what happens in Vegas, well, the Vegas goal of
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  Speaker 1: the Knights may have to waken one of the most
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  Speaker 1: talented wingers in the playoffs, but they also their captain.
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  Speaker 1: So forget all the playoff dram in the years passed
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  Speaker 1: with Toronto, as mix Martin has found his game with
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  Speaker 1: Vegas leads all playoffs score sixteen points and eleven games.
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  Speaker 1: First career playoff Hatchrick in.
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  Speaker 2: Game three against Anaheim.
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  Speaker 1: But their heart and soul guy, the captain, Mark Stone
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  Speaker 1: missing games four and five undisclosed injury Martin II club
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  Speaker 1: and awesome. But can Vegas truly make a run without
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  Speaker 1: Mark Stone?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: He's he really is the catalyst without that with that
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  Speaker 4: team when he's in and I know the record is
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  Speaker 4: tal you're gonna have to maybe try to grab it,
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  Speaker 4: but the record with him and without him is pretty staggering.
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  Speaker 4: He's just, you know, he's so good for them, and
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  Speaker 4: you can see kind of it's a smart veteran guy
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  Speaker 4: with a good stick that knows where to play. He
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  Speaker 4: plays power play, plays penalty kill. You're missing a big piece,
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  Speaker 4: so you know they get that win, overtime win, score
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  Speaker 4: a feev who Yes, how.
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  Speaker 3: Much is a good nickname?
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  Speaker 4: I mean speaking of wingers, Like, how much is Pavel
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  Speaker 4: d'orfiev gonna make next year?
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  Speaker 2: Nine millionaire?
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  Speaker 4: Seven goals in these playoffs? Thirty seven this year over
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  Speaker 4: thirty last year. I think that that's big. That's some
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  Speaker 4: wampum coming to him. Somebody's gonna overpay that fucker.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, it's a thin free agent market in the cast
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  Speaker 1: and he's so, yeah, who is he?
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  Speaker 4: He's got to be the best free agent out there, No,
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  Speaker 4: like in terms of bang for your buck, because you
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  Speaker 4: might be able to get him at like eight million,
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  Speaker 4: but like you're paying them like you're getting out your
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  Speaker 4: check books. So yeah, and what an ot goal that
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  Speaker 4: he scores too, I mean just but yeah, for Stone,
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  Speaker 4: you know a lot of great stories in Vegas. Marner,
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  Speaker 4: you know, kind of silencing the haters that the guy's
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  Speaker 4: always going to take hate from Toronto media. They there's
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  Speaker 4: no there's no fan base that is just stares at
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  Speaker 4: Mitch Marner photos and probably follows him, follows his Instagram,
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  Speaker 4: his wife's instagram. Just just they're like that X that
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  Speaker 4: just won't go away. And I think it's going to
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  Speaker 4: always be like that for him. But he's been great.
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  Speaker 4: He's been I feel like just the collection of players
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  Speaker 4: around him suits them a lot better than it did
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  Speaker 4: in Toronto and the decor they have to get him
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  Speaker 4: the puck. You know, he's getting the pucketing a lot
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  Speaker 4: better positions than he did when he was in in Toronto.
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  Speaker 4: So but you know, I I really do think that
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  Speaker 4: missing Stone's gonna hurt this team. But I you watch
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  Speaker 4: that series, Anaheim and Vegas, great series, a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Physical said by the way that game starting interject. Game five,
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  Speaker 1: Vegas wins Reach North. It was the best game of the.
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  Speaker 2: Playoffs so far.
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  Speaker 1: It was good for them or he's just it in generally,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it's been the best game of the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Marle, I love Dano, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: There's a couple other ones that I.
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  Speaker 1: Very I guess maybe it's an underrated series because the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's it's it's fast, it's great. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there's scoring chances galore. It's it's pretty open, like in
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  Speaker 4: terms of the great a scoring chances that you're getting.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, ana I'm such an exciting team to watch.
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  Speaker 3: In Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of grizzled veteran team and you know they're
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  Speaker 4: they're back and forth. It's it's every mistake that Anaheim makes,
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  Speaker 4: it's a Vegas capitalizes in terms of getting a scoring chance.
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  Speaker 4: And both goalies have kind of had had their moments too.
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  Speaker 4: That's the big thing. But yeah, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: st I don't think it's Stone out.
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  Speaker 3: They could do it.
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  Speaker 4: But listen, both these teams, they're gonna run another buzzsaw
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  Speaker 4: that is Colorado, and I don't think it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be much of a I don't think either one of
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  Speaker 4: these teams, if they give up these kind of scoring
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  Speaker 4: chances are going to be able to you know, withstand
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  Speaker 4: the onslaught of Colorado. Now I'm speaking like Colorado's they're
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  Speaker 4: already in the finals. But that's how strong I feel
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  Speaker 4: about it that they're might as well just put them
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  Speaker 4: in the finals. Now, go go to the golf course,
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  Speaker 4: go hang out. You guys are good. Take the week off.
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  Speaker 3: We got it.
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  Speaker 1: You asked for that staff from Tel Vegas eight to
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  Speaker 1: nine and five without Stone during the season, So can
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  Speaker 1: they wait one more game against the Ducks?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but to actually win.
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  Speaker 3: Eight nine and five without them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah five?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no Boynsky.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Vegas need to sign Rasmus Anderson the summer, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just I want to mention.
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  Speaker 2: Carter Hart thirty four saves.
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  Speaker 1: He made two nights after lying four goals on twenty
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  Speaker 1: three shots. Bounce back from a similar situation in the
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  Speaker 1: opening series. He a lot four goals and twelve shots
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  Speaker 1: in Game three, Utah than when five is NAS six start.
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  Speaker 1: I always look at that in terms of a goalie, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you can have a bad game, but if you can
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  Speaker 1: strug it off, Heart's now done that twice in this playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hearts Hearts.
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  Speaker 4: Heart's a good story and his ability to kind of
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  Speaker 4: bounce back all season and you know he's me shown
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  Speaker 4: good resiliency and dose stall as well. But yeah, Carter Hart,
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  Speaker 4: it's I think of the goaltenders right now, him versus
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  Speaker 4: do Stal, I probably trust it's tough. It's it's it's this.
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  Speaker 4: This series just feels like a coin flip. It really does.
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  Speaker 4: You look at the stats each game and it's it's
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  Speaker 4: quite literally it's razor thin. The margins are so tight.
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  Speaker 4: It's just two very similar teams in sense of like
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  Speaker 4: the way they're playing against each other. They match up
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  Speaker 4: very well, and it's made it's made for a fucking nice, nice,
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  Speaker 4: fun series, more so than a couple of the other ones.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean it's been it's been a good second round.
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  Speaker 4: Typically typically second round there's a little bit of a lull.
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  Speaker 4: It's been a very good second round.
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  Speaker 3: This year, a.
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  Speaker 2: Team that nobody expected to make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Fill off your flyers get a three point eight percent
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  Speaker 1: chance of making the playoffs and tomorrow, but somehow they
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  Speaker 1: make the playoffs and they knock off their rival the Penguins.
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  Speaker 2: So clearly it was a successful season.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking Philly. We got a little Philly talking over.
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  Speaker 4: Get them, they're out of here. I just want to
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  Speaker 4: play talk for another talk to the phenomenal job question.
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  Speaker 4: Past portermotion looks like an absolute stud.
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  Speaker 1: Vladar is like, now they're franchise goalie Ziegras your guy.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome first season.
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  Speaker 1: They really missed o whin tip it obviously twenty eight goals,
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  Speaker 1: but he missed the Carolina series.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the one I wanted to ask you about.
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  Speaker 2: Matt fay Meachcoff, what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Disappointing sophomore season, one assist in eight playoff games, healthy
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  Speaker 1: scratch in pivotal playoff games. He was fourth and voting
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  Speaker 1: for the Calder season ago. Now it's easy to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: just trade him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, give it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you're selling low on the guy. So do you
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  Speaker 1: start the season with him? Hopefully he has a good
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  Speaker 1: start and.
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  Speaker 2: Then flip him or do you actually do believe he's
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  Speaker 2: a Flyer long term? Clearly talks not a fan, but.
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  Speaker 1: Danny bri clearly, but Danny Brian, Keith Jones moved mountains.
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  Speaker 2: They get this guy here, What do you do if
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  Speaker 2: you're the Flyers A.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta give him more more runway. I mean you
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  Speaker 4: have to either sit down with talk and you have
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  Speaker 4: to next year. You got to give him twenty games
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  Speaker 4: at the start of the season. Because here's the thing
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  Speaker 4: with with Philly. They had no business being in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: They had no business getting passed Round one. The Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 4: laid an egg of epic proportions, probably gonna go down
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  Speaker 4: as one of the bigger eggs laid just coming out
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  Speaker 4: of sleep. They got they showed, Yes, they went to
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  Speaker 4: They went to overtime both games against Carolina. They had opportunities,
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  Speaker 4: but Carolina dominated that series.
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  Speaker 3: It was there was a class above.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest issue they can make now is thinking they're
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  Speaker 4: bigger than they are and kind of speeding up this
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  Speaker 4: rebuild process. You got to stay the course. I think
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  Speaker 4: they have some good pieces. I'm now I'm giving them
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  Speaker 4: the positive. They have some really good pieces. You got
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  Speaker 4: to build around listen to Owen Tippets in that series,
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  Speaker 4: it's probably a different series. They probably do win a game,
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  Speaker 4: maybe two because Owen Tippett and what a crazy but
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  Speaker 4: internal bleeding insane. So I'm glad he's all right, but
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  Speaker 4: he's a he's a monster. But you got listen, you
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  Speaker 4: got a foundational goal in Dan Vlodar, You got some
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  Speaker 4: really good pieces. Meetchkoff is kind of the sex factor
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  Speaker 4: for him. That has a great years first year, did
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  Speaker 4: some really good things, some bad habits, as any young
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  Speaker 4: player does. But you know, I kind of feel like
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  Speaker 4: with Ziegris there, it's rendered him a little bit less
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  Speaker 4: valuable because now you're looking at Meetschoff Zegress, two very
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  Speaker 4: similar players, two dishers that like to play on the perimeter.
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  Speaker 4: Not the fastest guys, but you know they can, they
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  Speaker 4: can make passes, they canacilitate, can score at times. So
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  Speaker 4: but I do think you got to give him. You
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  Speaker 4: brought him over here, you got to give him some
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  Speaker 4: more runway next year. You got to play him for
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  Speaker 4: ten twenty games. If you're that worried about I know
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  Speaker 4: we've went back and forth on his his health and
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  Speaker 4: his fitness I mean, have talk, work out with them
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  Speaker 4: all summer, have him stay at Talks house, because talks
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  Speaker 4: to you know, he's a fitness guru. So have talk,
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  Speaker 4: have him stay with Talk, have talk, feed him, cook
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  Speaker 4: for him, work them out, and then come.
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  Speaker 3: The season he's ready to go. There's no excuses. Now
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  Speaker 3: these you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Be bed buddies all Summery with that, I mean, in
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  Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, do that because then at least
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  Speaker 1: have to talk oversee his fitness, because then at least
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  Speaker 1: you know, once the season starts, there's no excuse for that.
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  Speaker 4: And then play him for ten to twenty games twenty
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  Speaker 4: minutes a night, and see what happens at the start
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  Speaker 4: of the season. Give him the opportunity, see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: And if it doesn't work, I mean, listen, you didn't.
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  Speaker 4: It's a pick. It sucks you lost it, but high peck, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because you have a lot of other pieces there with Portomarton.
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  Speaker 4: It makes him a little bit more expendable in terms
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  Speaker 4: of his If he's disappointing early on next year, like you,
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  Speaker 4: you're not like, oh my god, we got to get
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: something for him. You just trade him for a pick
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: or trade him for a player, and who knows, he
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: might go in and say, you know, Dove, I trade
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: me fucking now.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah he might, But maybe this is that wake up call.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe he realizedes say, you know what, I was out
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: of shape. I was outclass. He's gotta be.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Scratched him in game four. But that's not a scratch
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: the least.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I don't like h Now, that's all I was going
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: to talk without all summers. You put in jet Lachenko
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: in for Matthew like he's playing eight Ohl games. You kidding,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: He's not going to score in that game.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: No, it's you play me golf in that game. I'm sorry,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: but that that's a huge That was a huge mistake.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come hell or high water.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: And obviously they did miss no kates in the series
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: as well, but ultimately Carolina was a better team, There's
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And I think you have to
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: stay the course. As you said, the biggest mistake. Now
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: to speed up the rebuil. Oh, we're back, Okay, let's
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: trade a bunch of guys for Brady can chuck. No, no, no,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: you have a bunch of good young players.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Le's just take it.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Take get Betty, make your picks. Yeah, take it easy.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: That metro's kind of open. It's going to be open
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: a little bit. There's gonna be some movement. There's gonna
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: be a lot of teams buying this summer in the Metro,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: and there's not much out there. You gotta be very
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: careful because you know, if you miss, I think it's
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: going to be interesting which team kind of comes out ahead.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: But if you miss, you can set yourself back big
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: time and Philly out just.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Last one on them, real lack of finish which was glaring.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love Travis Connecty, but you got to
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: score a goal at some point.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: If you're getting seventeen breakaways.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Dude, you get seven million dollars year. You got to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: score some goals here, Like what are we doing? Him
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: and Zeger specifically all right, don't and out. After being
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: interviewed by the Canucks about their vacant GM jobs, Shane
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: don't officially parting ways with the Maple Leaves brought in
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: by previous general manager Bradscher living as a special advisor
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. He will not be working with
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Mattsendane and your boy John Chaco. Now you've said your
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: old team. It could be a GM in the NHL.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: So if you were counseling him, if you were like
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Rick talkt bed buddies of Meatscheff getting into shape. Here's
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: some peptides. What would you be saying to Shane don't
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: he was never my teammate. But good research, guys, it's
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: never my teammate.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: He can't. I came in.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: After, but you know, just through osmosis. I you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: I skated with his son. I skated with him quite
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: a bit. I played an alumni stuff with him. But
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: he's amazing.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Listen. I he should be a GM or an AGM.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: He needs to get the opportunity if you're giving you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Chikes and Matt Sundeen, who's done fucking just radio for
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: the in Sweden. If you're gonna do that with Matt
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Sundeen as a culture thing, I feel like you got
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: to bring in Shane do in somewhere. I would like
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: to see shanedon in Vancouver, Seattle. I think those are good.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: I kind of tweeted about it and I had people
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: throwing up the jets and people love the idea of
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: him being an AGM or a GM. I think people
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: want him in the league. He's one of the great
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: human beings around in the NHL. I think an AGM
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: might be a better fit for him, just because I
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: think of his personality and he's very forward facing guy.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I I wondered if Chika reached out to him when
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: he got the Toronto job to maybe try to squash
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: it or you know, I'm not I'm not quite sure
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: what happened. And maybe that's the reason why you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Donor didn't want to go back, is that wound is
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: still deep, because you know, the whole thing with Chiica
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: is he came into Arizona and basically Shane Done wanted
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: to work with him and wanted to work around the team,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: and he kind of said, no, get out of here.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think that was a mistake that
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: he probably regretted. So I hope that he kind of
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: smoothed the waters when he went into Toronto. But I
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: think you know, listen, any team would benefit highly and
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I think Vancouver needs to bring in somebody that the
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: fans are going to like. They can't go off the
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: board as much as people maybe want them to.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Within hockey, I think if you're a Vancouver fan, you
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: need to see. I heard the Sedines might be going back.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I heard they kind of just talked about going to
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: be involved in the in either development or at the
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: executive level. So I think, Shane, don't bring a bunch
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: of ex players in Vancouver, because you know the Rutherford
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: and Alvine shit didn't work. So bring it a couple
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: couple X guys and see what they can do and
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: really give them a chance, because that's kind of the
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: one place in van where it's like it doesn't really
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: fucking matter what you do. It's such a dumpster fire
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: with like what happened this season that anything's better do something.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: It thinks that they got the number three pick.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just bad luck. Can you imagine that
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: bad He was so angry. You had an awful season.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: No matter what guys, we're getting McKenna or Stenberg, either
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: we were getting a stud and you go.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: No, actually got the number three, like son of a bitch?
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Well you you never know with that pick because you
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: know San Jose has made it a parent they need
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: to retool their decore good point. So it's like it's
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: you could see an interesting one like a Chase Reed
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: come off the board. But I feel like Stenberg is
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: the most NHL ready guy in my mind.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I just think you have that kind of season. Oh
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get McKenna.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got McKenna. Know, you get the seventh overall pick.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: We're fucking third, might as well be the tenth at
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: that point. One more topul than We'll get to Chris Ponger.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Butch please some Pacific drama division this week is the
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Vegas gold Knights reportedly rejected the Oither's request to talk
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: to their former coach, Bruce Cassidy. That's going to Frank
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Sara Valley.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: This isn't only a problem because Cassie's still technically under
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: contract to Vegas, but Edmonton still is a coach and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Chris Knablock, I'm sure.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: This happens all the time Jeday, it justly doesn't become public.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: What do you make of what's going through Chris Nablock's
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: mind right now?
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Like really, really, we're gonna go through this shit again.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: We're gonna go through this shit again with Edmonton. We're
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: gonna do this again. We're gonna fire the coach and
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: we're gonna fucking bring somebody else in and we're not
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: gonna address the elephant in the room, which is the
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: GM and everything above and we're gonna come in here
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and they're just gonna pass the buck down the line.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm shut. I was like what, like what like
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: this is what we're doing? Like they don't realize, they're
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: like Connor's gone. Like I was like, they're gonna figure
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: it out, Like if you're that inept and like this
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: is you're going after You can't even talk to Bruce
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: and you're going after Bruce Cassidy Like that's how bad.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Like I understand Bruce Castid a great coach, fan of
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: the show. Yeah, you know, he's got a great you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: puth of experience, but really, like this is what like
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: two Stanley Cup finals. You you fucking blew up the
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: team this year and you made horrible decisions with the McLeod's,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: the Fogels, you know, you you trade, you trade Skinner
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: for Jari and now you have that contract to deal
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: with and then he doesn't even play in Connor Ingram
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: and he's shit talking the team and they're shit talking
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: him and you have all this nonsense and you're not
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: and really, really seriously, seriously.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Stan Bowman tell me lines of Stan Bowman have he's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: just got to yance again.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Come the fuck on stand please, God no, it feels
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: like I'm the Michael Scott.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: No, no, it's like Toby. Toby just walked into the room.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm on.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Guys, like, we're gonna do it again. We're gonna do
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: it again in Edmonton. We're going through that. It's fucking
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: we're on the merry go round.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But it would be it'd be great for unscripted because
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Talacas said, listen, where the place that we get coaches hired?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Were not only hired in TV?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Bruce cashion him here, then he's on TV the CLI
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I love Vegas though, saying like yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: no no, we fired him.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: You can't have him?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: How how is Vegas the daddy?
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: And they've been around such a you know, they've been
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: around less time than Edmonton as a franchise, and they're
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: just like, no, I'm your papa.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: You can't I'm your papa.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You can wait a year if you really want, Bruce
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: cats you.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: That you're gonna have to wait one year still to
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: come here.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: An NHL Unscripted a returning guest Chris Pronger poning his
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: new book earned the True Cost of Greatness, one of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Hockey's fiercest competitors proms because us his thoughts, not his
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: career writing the book.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: But also this year's inchell plaffs.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, what you got breaking news right now? Oh,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Craig Berube out out coaching change at the Maple Leafs. Wow,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: could see Bruce Cassidy, Craig John Chika coming in, slitting throats,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: cold and calculated.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Well you knew it was gonna be tough for Chief
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to remain as the coach considering.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Oh man, oh yeah, I mean it was. But yeah,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: once they have.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: The press comes, we gotta just talk to Chief for
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the same. Now, who San Page?
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Can we finally find out who punched him?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Well no it was it was in the worker when
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: we said the weight felons, he gave the whole elaborate action.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: But kidd, he come out and be like, actually it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was fucking Willy neelf, No it wasn't.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Will He just drilled me. We argued, we drilled.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Meba had two more years left on his deal, so
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: they're paying him four point five a.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Year, incredible nine million bucks just don't do anything. I think.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I think Brubay gets fired if I'm Edmonton higher Chief
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Chief nice, I love it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Che right, he gets right in there. I like it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: He's a pluck and play kind of coach. All right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Proms coming up next. Thanks to the breaking news.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: On Chief, our next guest draft is second overall by
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the Hartford Whalers the nineteen ninety three NHL's draft. He
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: scored six hundred and ninety eight points in one hundred
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and sixty seven career games the Whalers, Blues, Oilers, Ducks
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and Flyers. He led the Oilers and Flyers to stand
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like a final all with Anaheim in two thousand and seven.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: His new book has earned the True.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Cost of Greatness from one of hockey's fiercest competitors. I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: pre ordered the book, read it in two days. It's
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: fantastic and it's a bestseller. My man, your friend, Chris Pronger,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: what's up, Prongs?
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: What's going on? Thanks for having me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, buddy. Good to see again. The media tour
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: has been unbelievable. We had Matt carl on last week
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and I said to mate, exactly, I said, Curl, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: listened to you and Prongs form Defense Partners in Philadelphia.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: What was that like? As all this in Prongs is great.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: He was a great teammate.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: We got along well.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: But I gotta be honest with you, he said, I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: not on social media, but I am on LinkedIn, and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I see Progs is pretty busy. He's put himself out
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: there right now. Absolutely, he's got to book different out
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: here about it. But he said the world's a better
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: place and hockey's a better place when Chris Pronger is involved.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to just as you know, I read
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the book. There's a couple of excerpts that I found
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: particularly notable, and I think, you know, it's interesting when
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you write a book, as you know, because different people
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: kind of get attracted to different aspects of it. So
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting and JD can speak to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: this as a former athlete. Guys, the toll that you
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: put yourselves through. This was page ninety one. That night
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: at dinner, my elbow swelled so badly I couldn't bend
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it to cut my steak. The waiter must have thought
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I was drunk watching me try to eat left handed, dropping.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Food like a toddler.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should go.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Home, Lauren suggested gently, I'm fine. I said again, that's
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: your wife, Lauren.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: But I wasn't fine. None of us were.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: You don't play through what we've played through it and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: just bounce back. The adrenaline has kept us upright for
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: two months was gone, and our bodies were presenting the bill.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I thought about my teammates scattered across the continent, probably
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: dealing with their own collapses. We'd asked our bodies to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: do the impossible, and for one hundred and six games
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: they'd answered. But bodies keep score, even in your mind
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: tries to forget. First off, terrific writing. Secondly, that kid,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a vivid description of what you go through,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: all the injuries, all the toll.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: People don't realize that.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think every year when when when a
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: team either gets knocked out or they ultimately win that
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: cherished Stanley Cup, you you do see the mass unit
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: come out, and you know, we hear what Owen tippets
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: going through about all these guys like you hear you
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: hear what these guys are willing.
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: To play through, and you know you're playing for the guy.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Next year, you're playing for the The logo on the
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: front and and uh, you know you're playing for the fans,
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: you're playing for that opportunity to try to win the
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Stanley Cup and it guys are willing to put themselves
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: through an awful lot to try to win that and
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: and they know the guy next to them on either
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: side and across the room would be doing the same
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: as well.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the bill comes due.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: That's that's a great line that you put there too,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: just because even now retired, you know, you can remember
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I'll be doing a workout and you're just like, oh,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I feel great.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Today's a good day.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, there
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: goes my shoulder and you're like, I know exactly the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: game and the moment that that happened, or like my knee,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: and you like it takes you back into a moment
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: in time. But some great stuff in that book prongs.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: And you know you've been doing the media tour now
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: you're promoting with rich Eyesen Edelman all over the place,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: like how has the media junket been? Because I know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: you know, my wife's acting and stuff like that, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: that could be that can take it toll mentally as
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: well and physically. Because you're up early. It's different times
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: you might be flying around. Like, what's been some of
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: the highlights and the low lights for you so far
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: through this media junket tour.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's been a lot of work, been a
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: lot of flying. Ad Nan and I have talked a
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: couple times where maybe the battery is getting a little
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: bit low. But it was a lot of fun, you know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: going around and you know, talking about the book, talking
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: about kind of my story and and.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: The ups and downs and everything in between.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: But uh, the reception, as you guys both both have said,
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: has been excellent and very appreciative and understanding.
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: I get a lot of.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Messages from people just the impact that's having on them,
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: which was kind of.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: The purpose of the book. I don't need to talk
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: about myself that much.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: But you know, when you're you know, to your point
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: in the beginning, when you put yourself out there and
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: you're trying to show people that you know, we're fallible
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: to and you know, there's a lot that goes into
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: you know, and an NHL career, an athletic career and
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: life in general, and you try to put somebody in
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: your shoes and and and hopefully they get a sense
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: and and a feel for their own lives and and
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: hopefully they can take something from it and utilize it
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: in their lives and level up and and be difference
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: makers and hopefully live a much stronger, healthier life.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Part of what's been so much fun to work with
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you is people ask me what's Wrongs like, And I'm like, well,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: he's a great guy.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: He's funny, he's a barrel of Alaskatina. That's a lie
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: you said.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: He is a dead he doesn't take any shit, he
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: does not suffer fools gladly. And to page one twenty eight,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in the end, you're not a victim of the trade tree.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: You're not a passenger. You're the fucking gardener and every
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: trade is just another chance to grow. And I think
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that kind of epitomizes you in a lot of ways.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: For a guy who was a Hall of Fame defenseman,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you were not on one team for eighteen seasons like you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You bounce around, you with different places, had to fit
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: in all right. Like you know that, I think to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: me is inspiring saying that line specifically, you're the fucking gardener.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Every trade's a chance to grow.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: You use it when you make of it, right, Yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: I look at you know, I think it took me
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: a while to learn and figure that out. But uh,
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: we all go through a lot of you know, trials
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: and tribulations.
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: But when you when you think about like that statement,
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: you think.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: About, Okay, you're you're gonna get moved at some point,
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: You're you're gonna have to Adversity is a gift.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: You have to utilize it. You've got to utilize it
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: to grow.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Learn from our mistakes and you know, sometimes learn from
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: our successes as well. What worked Now we need to
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: implement more of that into our games or our lives
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: or what have you. And uh, there's there's a there's
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: a lot of things that we can do better in life.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: But I think we have to understand where our feet are.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: Currently planted and and kind of live live in the
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: moment and knowing you know, I talk to my kids
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: all the time. We don't play the what if game
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: in the Pronger household. Well, what if I did this,
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: and what if I did That's not how the world works.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: The world is round. I'm sorry, and I'm going to
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: tell you right now the world is not flat.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Are you flatter.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Another Earth is not flat?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Are you flat Earth? Are you? You know?
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Throughout this you know media blitz, and it is a blitz.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: You answer a lot of the same question and you
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: share a lot of the story because people, you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: it's a lot of repetition. But for you kind of
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: what's been the story, either from the book or through
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: this process, that's kind of gotten the biggest response from people,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: and you've had to to really kind of continually reiterate it,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: talk about it and things like that.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'll answer for him, Edmonton. That's how you bury the lead.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: That's how you answer asks a proper question at and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: don't speak for thirty five minutes.
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: I thought you were in the media and then.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Question yeah, yeah that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: I mean that obviously got a lot of attention, Thank you, Kevin,
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: But uh, you know, that wasn't the genesis of the book.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of people, you know, when I
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: talk about it, my speech is a lot when you
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: have success, everybody sees the trophies and the rings and
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: the you know, all that that goes with it, and
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: they always forget about the journey and the heartache and
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: the difficult moments, the adversity. As we just talked about.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: And I think people you know, learning about my story.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: I didn't play triple A hockey. I played high school
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: hockey in Canada, which not the.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: Not the easiest.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Of routes for most and you know, and then obviously
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: people forget about all the booing and on home ice, yes,
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: my home fans were booing me quite religiously. And I
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: think people forget about all that as you you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: move on through your career and and have some success
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: and you know, maybe turn those fans into uh, you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: people that really enjoy your play and become super fans.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: And there's a lot of moments like that that I
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: wanted to put into the book, not a lot of
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: you know, and then we scored a goal and we
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: won and all that type of stuff. It's more moments
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: that people can identify with, people can learn from, uh,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: you know, more of a fifty thousand foot view as
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: opposed to day to day.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: Here's what we did type of thing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: If we if we started doing that, it'd be, uh,
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: the book would be quite a bit longer.
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: And I know Ad and N doesn't like to read book.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Thank there are a lot of pictures of the book,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: just to be clear.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I want to I want to touch on something you
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: just mentioned about, you know, getting booed on home ice,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: and and you know people tend to think as as fans. Hey,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: you know, you're making all this money and you shouldn't
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: matter what the fans say or do, and you should
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: be fine. You should kind of stay in your lane
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But kind of the mental toll
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: that that that takes in the internal conversation you have
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: to have with yourself when that's going on. You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: when your fans, your home fans kind of your safe
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: space because you know that as an athlete, when you
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: go home and plant home ice, it's typically that safe
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: spot for you. Like I was a Homer when I played,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: it was like, oh my god, I love playing at home.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: But it turns in because I was like on the road.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: It just I just enjoyed it so much more as
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: do a lot of guys. But like for you, like
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: it's almost became like a place that you want to
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: get away from. So like, how is that mentally to
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: to fight that battle of being on home ice and
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: being seen as the villain from your fans' eyes.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it it hardened me to say the least, you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: I think those first three years were incredibly difficult, but
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: allowed me to grow up, allowed me to form the
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: grit and resilience that I was gonna need later on
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: in my career when I was dealing with major injury,
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: when I was trying to, you know, help my various
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: teams get get the Stanley Cup and hopefully win, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: was able.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: To do it one time.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: And you know, I think it's just that the struggle
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: and to your point, that internal dialogue you have with
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: yourself and the victimhood mentality that you have that it's
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: their fault. It's uh, you know, your teammate's fault, the
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: coach's fault, it's the owner's fault, it's everybody else's fault
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: but your own. And ultimately, once you know, I was
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: able to turn the page on that and and kind
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: of take ownership and accountability for my play, for you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: my decisions, you know, not coming into camp.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: In great shape and all the rest of that stuff.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: You know, once I was able to kind of, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: understand what it was going to take to be a
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: true pro and in form the habits and the discipline
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: it was necessary, then you know, I started to really understand,
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: and you start realizing when you're going through those moments
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: you're young and you're like, this is this is bullshit.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: I can't believe this is going on. And then as
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: you age a little bit and you understand the league
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: a little bit more, you're like, oh, the GM's job
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: is on the line, the head coach's job is on
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: the line. Your teammates jobs are on the line. You're
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: the new guy coming in, You've got to this contract.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: You don't really care, but you don't realize that how
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: you play affects everybody else.
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: And I think I really took that to heart, you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: as I.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Started mature a little bit and started to understand the
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: expectations and you know that vicious word potentially start living
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: up to that. You start looking at your career a
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: little bit differently and understanding that you know every year
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: you've it could be your last year and you have
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: to utilize that opportunity to the best of its ability.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Last one on the book, and then we'll turn to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: this year's playoffs.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: This to me was the most poignant part of the book,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Page one thirty eight, which brings us back to the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: big decision to quit My kids have been the catalysts,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: not through confrontation, but through observation. When your adult children
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: start being embarrassed at family gatherings or other events because
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: they don't want to see you in party mode again,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: When they stop bringing friends around because they're not sure
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: which version of dad they'll get, when their disappointments become palpable,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that's your wake up call, or it should be. So
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: for me, it was non negotial daily behaviors or girls
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: is how I felt none. So I created one zero alcohol,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: not drink responsibly, not only on weekends, not just wine
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: with dinner.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Zero.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Because here's what thirty years of standards taught me, gray
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: areas of where standards go to die. Just one becomes
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: just tonight, becomes just this week, becomes just like always.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: What's the reaction been to that prox I'm sure that's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: pretty powerful.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been. Uh, you know, I think there's been
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: a lot.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: I've had a lot of people reach out and you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: kind of tell me their story, you know, whether you
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: know they've don't with addiction in some form or fashion.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: You know, I think if you're going to write a
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: book like this, you're going to put it all out
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: to you might as well put all of it out there,
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: you know, and as you have come to find out,
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: and that I really don't care what people think.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: I think that's the beauty of this whole thing.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: I've got my opinions, and you know they are you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: they're movable.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: I tend to.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: Listen more so now than I did maybe when I
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: was younger, and my opinions do change.
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: But uh, I think.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: As I started writing a book and you know, we're
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: starting to get towards the end of my career then.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: You know, life after and.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: On and on and on, and you're like, okay, well
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: how do you where's the jump off point to the book?
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: And you know, I think that needed to be in
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: there because I think people need to see that you're real,
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: and you know, they see the mistakes you made maybe
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: when you were playing, and you know, then people, you know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: you're not on TV anymore, You're not you know, in
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: front of twenty thousand people plus millions on TV, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: you know, people forget about you.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: They forget kind of where you are, what you're doing.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: We always see the where are they now? Episodes?
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I think people always wonder, you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: what happened and where is so and so, and and
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: on and on and on, And I think they want
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: to see where that journey has taken them.
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: They want to see what either somebody is up to,
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: what they've been dealing with.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: We always hear these stories about athletes and their struggles
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: and whatnot, and you know, you want to be able
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: to make it look real and so that people understand
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: that athletes are real just like them, and you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: as you walk them through the book, I think that
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: puts them firmly in that place.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: J D has said before that you could be a
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: GM in this league, and you mentioned publicly you did
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: not interview for the Maple Leafs GM job that was
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: recently filled. I wish Amazon Prime had an off season
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: show for us so I could have got your reaction
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Press conference, the Great Press Conference. Here's my thought for
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: That one was an all timer.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Like AI generated, You've been around Steve Simmons, You've been
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: around guys will ask tough questions, you know, to that
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: show ever with Philly. But my thing is this, I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: just I'm shocked that Pelly didn't engage a little bit.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I'll be clear, because I asked all you freeman about this.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: He goes, if you've been around corporate culture, and you've
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: been around a lot of corporate people, prongs, he goes,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the key is don't engage. So when Steve starts going
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: in that path, Pelly's like, no, I'm not gonna engage.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, thanks, let me know see it like definite, Well.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: I guess we talked to different people, by the way.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: By the way, think about that and then think about
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: that response. Actually, I mean it's pr one on one.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: So it's like like when I used to scream and
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: yell at the referees, and the good ones.
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: Would be like, Prongs, I missed it. What is my response?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: I can't. Okay, yeah, I mean.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: It just diffuses everything as opposed to the other referee.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: It screams and yell you you're an idiot. There's no
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: way I miss it. You know, it's just night and days.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: So I mean, you think about it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: It's actually really just turns the page really quickly.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: But the least fan base was on inspired by that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: They wanted Pelly to fire back, like Steve, you know
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. This is why Chake is so great,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: et cetera. As just said, it was just so surreal
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Chake is being.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Insulted by Steve Simms, He's sitting right there, and the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: questions for Keith the soa bizarre.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, uh interesting take nonetheless, But you know what I
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: think I'll put it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: I'll put it on the other side of it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: If if I'm still a player, If I'm a player
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: and I have to deal with all this stuff and
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: all the criticism and all the hatred and vitriol at different.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: Times, why do they not have.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: To Oh yeah, why do we have to always like
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: schmooze over what they've done and their accomplishments and all
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: this stuff. So, you know, I think there was some
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: I think maybe it wasn't positioned correctly and and may
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: have been a little too like in your face. I
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: think I think the the overall tenor of the question
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: was was probably accurate, but maybe the presentation wasn't great.
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: But I don't I.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: Think the question need to be asked, but I don't
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: think they're going to get an answer anyways.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I don't believe in I don't believe in round numbers either.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: When somebody says a fact, and that they spoke to
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: twenty people. I never believe in round numbers. I'm like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: you called exactly, you're.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Speaking yer fourteen people. I was like seven, you go
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to twenty.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Come on, come on, just give us, give us, say
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: seventeen and eight.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: You know, just give me.
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: That one for nineteen. It's pretty good though.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not bad. I want to know who the
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: one was. I gotta we gotta know who that is
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: talk about.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I mean speaking of people that need to kind of
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say, you know, answer some tough questions.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: But in Edmonton right now, you're seeing all the talk
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: about nod Block and the Bruce Cassidy thing. We just
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on that? And Edmonton haven't been
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: there that storied franchise. Where are they going right now?
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: And what what the hell needs to happen there in
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: the offseason for this team to kind of be so successful.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: Well, I think with this now coming out, I think
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: you pretty much have to fire the guy that.
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: Would That would be point number one.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Point number two is he's got a fresh new three
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: year contract that he gets an earn out on. You know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: I don't know how quickly he might get a job.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: You know that that remains to be seen.
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: But uh, you know it every I don't know every
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: year they until they actually win, you know, and get
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: Connor McDavid and Leon dry side on these guys over
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: the finish line.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: It'll be interesting to see.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: And then you add in it was that accurate? Evan
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Bouchard had a concussion in the playoffs?
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: Is that legit?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Apparently?
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: Some of the stuff I see on Twitter, I don't
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: know if it's true.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's all over the place.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I try not to.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: I try not to engage in some of that stuff,
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: but you know, you look at all these different things,
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: and now you know they're obviously on the clock with McDavid.
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: You know, people are like, oh, but him and Leon
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: are building the home together.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: I don't think that really matters. He can still live.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: There later or he can sell it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: He'll sell it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, whoever pays him coming off this two year.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Deal is going to be paying him a lot of money,
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: so it you know, I think they have to and
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: I would agree with their assessment.
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: I think they did regress, but I think when you
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: look at what they.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Tried to do in going younger and maybe a little quicker,
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: and you know, losing Brown and losing Perry and losing
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: some of these guys.
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: You know, you bring in Howard, you bring in some boy,
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: you're bringing it. You know, you've got.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: This youth injection, but they's still a learning curve and
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: they're not going to be where those other guys were
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: maybe out of the jump. But you know, you saw
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: throughout the court. You know, Jack Rauzovik was a pretty good,
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: you know, low budget signing, you know, at the start
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: of the year. So you brought in some guys that
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: could help a little bit.
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: But again, the learning curve, the development.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: When you're bringing in young guys, they're not going to
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: be as seasoned as you know, Corey Perry at forty
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: years old last year was their their heartbeat, I believe
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: it or not. Like he was the guy that stirred
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: the drink, that understood the gamesmanship and understood the ups
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: and downs of energy and when to go create a
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: fight and stir it up and do all these things.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: And at forty years old, if that's the guy you're
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: relying on to kind of get your team going, you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: we need to check things a little bit and I
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: think they were trying to maybe readjust that part of
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: it and bring in some youthful enthusiasm. And you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: I think they struggled early on partly because of that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: I think partly they're tired, you know, back to back
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: Stanley Cup finals and losing.
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: You know, that's the part.
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: I don't think people realize the mentality of losing back
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: to back finals and what that Number One, you're beat up,
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: as we just talked about the laundry list, injuries, the
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: mindset and how hired you are from just the energy
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: drain of getting that far and pushing yourself to the
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: limit and then coming away with nothing is very defeating
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: and and sometimes you know, I think we saw you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: they kind of mailed it in the first six to
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: eight weeks of just you know, our skill will kind
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: of keep us around and then we'll kind of turn
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: it on and see what happens.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: What stood out for you in these playoffs, you know,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: is there a player or a team that's just kind
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: of blowing your socks off or you know, we talked
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: about the teams that kind of disappointed a little bit,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: But what's kind of set out the most of you
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: from these playoffs and a team specifically, well, I think.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: You know, you'd be remiss if you didn't bring up Carolina.
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: I know they didn't play the top teams yet, but still,
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: you know, to dispatch you look at the analytics for
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: Ottawa there. That's the sole reason I thought they might
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: do much better than a four games sweep.
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: I know the games are close.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: Again, you know, I think Carolina now kind they kind
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: of seem to have the template of understanding how to
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: win these close games. Yeah, you know, their their their
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: pressure system, the way they attack. Uh, you know, they've
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: been getting great goaltending. You know, I think there is
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: a way to beat them, as we saw with Florida
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: last year. I think of the two remaining teams, Buffalo
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: and Montreal, I think Montreal would have the better I
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: think so because I think they're quicker. I know Buffalo
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: is quicker, but I think Montreal plays fast. They play
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: a little bit heavier game. Uh and and they you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: the kind of meet in the middle and and they
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: make plays. You know, that's against If you watch the
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: Ottawa and the Philly series, all they did was flip
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: it out, you know, because they couldn't handle the pressure
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: and when you looked at last year in the playoffs
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: when Carolina beat Washington and then they lost to UH
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: to Florida, Washington just kept flipping it out, flipping it out,
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: flipping it out.
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: And then once.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: Florida could make plays and then start pressuring Carolina, you
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: started to see them welt a little bit, and they didn't.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: They didn't handle it as as well as maybe some expected.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: And so there's you know, that'll be an interesting segue
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: to you know, Buffalo Montreal. I think both those teams
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: have I'm not a big fan of some of those
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: penalties I saw last night. It looked a little weak
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: to me, but that seems to be part of the
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: course and this this play off anyways.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: What's that? What's that? What are you taking from this?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: We're seeing a lot of this in the playoffs right now.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: The head snap back.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I know, guys are taking it in the face and
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: you are getting I feel like it's and maybe more
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: so defending wise. I know when you played you played very,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: very tough, and and you had great work with your
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: stick in terms of finding the meat. We talked about
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: that last time we had John. You've always found the meat.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Beat you beat the ship.
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: Out of that, maybe a little bone, find a little.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Bone, but you see a lot of aaron sticks, and like,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I feel like the teaching of controlling your stick is
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: kind of falling a little bit the wayside with a
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: lot of the young defenders and stuff like that. But
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: it's it's a fine line of where you're going and
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: when you kind of get over that chest plate, you're
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: just asking for a stick in the face. I don't
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: know if that's something that's not being taught, or I
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: don't know what you're seeing from that, or or it's
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: just raffing's a little bit too soft right now.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: I think it is being taught at the lower levels.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: I think these kids are being taught how to drop penalties,
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: you know, because it's you know. And I think the
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: other the other side of that equation is when we
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: look at Okay, I knock your stick out of your hands,
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: I'm getting a penalty.
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: Why are you not holding your stick?
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: I should not be able to knock your stick out
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: of your hands, but I get a penalty when I
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: when I knock it out of your hands?
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: Are you kidding me? What does this league come to?
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Seriously, like that used to be gamesmanship off, a face off,
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: whack hold your stick like I'm sorry.
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: I just look at some of the penalties, Like a
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: guy gets.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: His stick in underneath the guy's stick and loops it
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: over the top of the guy's blade, and that's hooking.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: He's nowhere near his hands, he's nowhere near he's on
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: his stick, and that's a hooking pedal. Like, well, what
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: is this leek coming to, Like, I'm sorry, Like.
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: You can't fight through a guy hooking your stick, like
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: we're gonna call that, and it just you know, there's there's,
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: you know, to your point about I think partly the
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: the the head flip is partly I think taught, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: I think the other part is the players nowadays are
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: not taught how to handle their sticks properly, you know again,
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: and it goes back to manage your stick properly. Don't
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: let somebody knock your stick out of your hands. Hold
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: your stick appropriately, and hold it like it like it
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: should be held, you know, firmly. They hold it like
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: this with two fingers everywhere they go, and of course
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: I'm going to knock it out of your hands. So
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: and I think the whole you know, lifting of the
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: stick you know they're coming in aggressively to lift a
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: stick and then take the puck, but they're not really
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: I think, aware of or understanding as to you know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: what's around when they're lifting. And then you know we're
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: seeing more players do I mean, listen, if you're coming
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: near my eye, I've been hitting the eye. You're coming
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: near my e I'm gonna move my head. I mean,
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: it's just a natural reaction. When a stick's coming near
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: your face, you're gonna move.
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: And people are like, oh, but he didn't hit him.
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: I go, yeah, it didn't hit him because he moved.
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: Like you know, anytime a stick comes near it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Now, if it goes by me and then I go, oh,
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: then you know, maybe that might be a little egregious.
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: But anything that's.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: Coming near my face, I will be flipping my head
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: because it's a natural reaction.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Last question, we'll get ready to prongs.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of talk this postseason about Queen Hughes brock
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Favor both averaging around thirty minutes per game in these playoffs,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: but you and al mckinness both average over thirty five
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: per minute per game. Excuse me, for Saint Louis, you're
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: in the nineteen nine nine playoffs. How was that having
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: that kind of work like thirty five a game with
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: big al?
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: Oh, uh, well I could.
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: I could tell you it was a little bit different
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: than those two.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I was very uh.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: Focused on defense, So I would you know, when you're
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: playing that many minutes.
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: Again, I wasn't as good as skater as Quinn Hughes.
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: So when you're playing those and a little bit bigger body,
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: playing a little different style, you know, you're you're you
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: have to give something up. And so for me, it
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: was I wasn't jumping into play. I wasn't wasting energy
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: trying to you know, be you know, second.
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: Or third layer.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: You know, I was getting up to the blue line,
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: you know that type of stuff. But I wasn't going in.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: I wasn't joining the rush.
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: I wasn't you know.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: So you're you're trying to be as efficient as possible
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: and you're trying to you know, conserve as much energy
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: as possible, you know, watching you know, Quinn Hughes the
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: other night, I think he played thirty four minutes.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe, and uh, it's crazy.
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: You know, he's all over the ice.
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: He's willing, you know, now again he's not hitting anybody.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: So you're not taking you're not draining yourself in that respect,
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: but you still got to defend.
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: You still got to have a good stick.
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: You still have to engage a little bit to get
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: pucks back and things of that nature. But to play
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: thirty four minutes up the ice, you know, edge work,
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: all the stuff we see with him in the offensive zone,
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: it's pretty impressive.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Chris Parker, what's again?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: It makes you just check out the book It is
• 52:33
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• 52:35
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• 52:38
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• 52:40
  Speaker 1: in terms of three stars, Number three was hot Dogs
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: in Buffalo. There was previous hot Dogs in Denver. Number
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: two was the Milkshakes in Buffalo. And number one was
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Craig Muni thinking I was Chris Jelly it is in Buffalo.
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: But what about Trew Scott. Trew Scott honorable mention, honorable mention, Yes,
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: honorable mention.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Trew Scott was the guy quite faant we had to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: take in order to get Mike and Boublay is thrilled
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to see Prongs.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Hey, what's up.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I'm a big hug Scott fucking the guy for property
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: whatever it's called property ardeners. I don't even know, has
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: no idea who Prongs is? Who's this guy, Drew Scott?
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: What's your name again, Chris, Chris, nice to meet you.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: You're you're a hockey or you have no idea who.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Chris Pronger is.
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: Thank you for coming on our show.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Great stuff, buddy, congrats in the book.
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: All right, thank you, m.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Thanks once again to Chris Pronger.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Time for a little cinephal and sixty listen a little
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Broadway musical just for JD's better half. I know Gillian's listening.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Went took my wife Aman to go see Just in Time,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the Bobby Darren Musical right now, Circle in the Square Theater.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: It's a great theater. Every seat's a good seat.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Don't know a ton about Bobby Darren died at thirty seven,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: married to Sandrew Day. But of course some great songs
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: beyond the season, absolute banger, Who's Turning Off?
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Splitch Splash?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Even though it was kind of a jingoistic hit, he
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't crazy about it himself, you know, obviously, Mack to
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and knife is a great song and dream lover who's
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: turning that off?
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: So great stage show.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: It would be what Jillian would call, I think a
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: jukebox musical because it's telling the life and times of
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Bobby Darren, but doing so of the music of his life.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: But I didn't know a ton about him.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm surprised there's been other musicals about more bigger characters. Remember,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey did a film called Beyond the Sea, which
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: was a Bobby Darren biopic, terribly reviewed. I know he
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: got nominated for Golden Globe and the reviews were savage,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and the main criticism was that Kevin Spacey at the
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: time was again his forties. Bobby Durren died at thirty seven.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Why is Kevin Spacey playing a guy who was like
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: ten fifteen years younger than him. But Spacey himself bit
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: of a crooner, certainly was great music. If you want
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: to go see a great Broadway show, I do recommend
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Just in Time. Jad your thoughts and Just in Time
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Broadway musical Bobby Darren. You and Jillian have checked it out?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna go see it?
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Is that space He's in it? No?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Spacey did the movie Beyond the Sea about Bobby Darren.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: This guy is starring Anthony Anderson. Apparently he's a big
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Broadway star. Jonathan Groft did the show.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I just I.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: I literally am texting with my wife as we speak,
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: and I see the three bubbles.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I said, it's just in time. Good. So I'm waiting
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: to hear I can get something. I can't wait.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: We're for the fans at home. We're gonna do what
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: we call them the biz feeling time. We're gonna fill
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: little time. As I kind of speak slowly and methodically,
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: and first I know what I'm saying. But first half
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: was a B plus. The second half was to see
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't need these twenty year conditions.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: It's a little bloated.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: But I love the stage. Wok love the directly but
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: they're yeah there, you gotta go see Titanique.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Yes that I do want to see the splash my uh,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: that's the show she did, Big Gay Jambrie.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: That's the same creators.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Titanic is it's funny right like it's legit.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's supposed to be funny. It's yeah, it's it's
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: she she does a whole accent. Jill auditioned for it.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: She was the last She's the last one for Rose.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Final callback. Oh wow, final fucking callback. If you're like probably, yeah,
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: I got the text from Jillian Muller. Me and Denise
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: actually loved it. That's her mom.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: Alex Timber directed it. They redirected, They redid the theater
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: for it. I like the way they did it with
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: people sitting at tables in the middle like cabaret, and
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: the actors.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Would be like in the mixed doing scenes.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, and he gave her.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Ideas for her Broadway musical she's writing.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: So that's fantastic, a right, just in time. This is
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: just the half of improvement. Yeah, she's right. The actors
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: pop up at different place in the stage. It was
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: very creatively directed. The very cool all right Captain mack
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: even on a roster featuring veterans like John Tavares and
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Ryin O'Riley. Team Kanada tabbing nineteen year old Macklin Celebraty
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: to serve as their captain for the.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Upcoming World Championships.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: That could change the late edition of Cidney kras but Celebraty,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the youngest player on the team just six days younger
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: than is San Jose Sharks teamate Sam Dickinson Worth mentioning
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: San Jose doesn't have a captain. So how long, Jady Youson,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: you're you're tied into the Sharks as well as anybody
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: broadcasting working for the team.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: How long until Maxi gets the sea?
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's already, it's already sewn in his jersey.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: It's it's it's this year. One thousand percent. They'll probably it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Probably they might announce it at the draft. They might
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: announce it post draft and free agency, but they'll probably
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: make a deal out of it, just because I think
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: it'll be a big deal. You know, loadur be passing
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: the baton. But yeah, it's it's his team for now
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: and until he retires. And it's crazy Sidney Crosby joining
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: world championships, like take a rest, sid fucking guy man crazy?
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: What makes me?
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Thought it's more of a reason he will be at
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the next Olympics before I'm like, I'm not sure he's
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: thirty eight, like, no, forty two, he's going to be there.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: We we taught me and Jameis and Coyle talked about that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: We said we thought We're like, we think he does
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: the last that's his last hurrah and he's done.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Is that season if he makes it?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: All right Hardware report.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: All the finals have been named, so let the debates begin.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Couture Off McDavid McKinnon for the Heart, Schaeffer, Demidoff, Seneca
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: for the Calder, Cooper Big Dick, Dan Muse and Lindy
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Rough for the Jack Adams, Sorokan Swamon, Vasilevsky for the Vesna,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Garn McFarlane and Verbeek.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: For the GM Gotta be garon.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: No group generate more fiery takes than the Norris, cal mccarr, Rasmus, Dolleen,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: zach Warensky, but not Evan. Bouchard led all defenseman ninety
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: five points, fourteen more than second rank Wrensky twenty one goals,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: seventy four sists and a plus twenty five better than
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Dahalien and Wrensky.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Some talk to me about no Quinn Hughes, But your
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: thoughts on Bouchard not being a Norse Trophy finalist.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's a little shitty, you know. I don't
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: know what the hell these guys are voting for. It's
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: like the Doleen thing. I think it's amazing story. I
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: would probably have Dollian. I would have dropped maccart this year.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think McCart deserved to be on the list.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: I think he do.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: I think mccarr is the best defenseman in the NHL
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: one thousand percent. But do I think he was the
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Norris Trophy winner this season? No, I don't think so.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think he should have been in the nominations.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: I think he's top five, but I don't think he's
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: in the three if you want to give Dolleen because
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: you know b X in the Sportsnet guys gave him
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: his flowers and didn't even give the correct information. And
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: I love those guys when they're talking about his penalty killing.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: I think it's Warenski's to win. I think he deserves it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: I thought what he did this season was pretty incredible
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: and remarkable for you know, the team and the surrounding
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: cast of characters he had with him. But to not
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: give Bouchard the nominations, it's a little shitty. Well, it's
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: like what points matter until Bouchard does it, because everybody
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: whinds and moans that. You know, he makes bad turnovers
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: and I mean, the guy had fucking was playing the
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: most penalty kill minutes he's ever played in his career.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: He was playing I think, the most minutes of his career.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: He most points without him, his team's in the cellar,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: they have no other defenseman. They can drive offense, you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, then you're gonna give it
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: to Eric Carlson the area at one hundred points when
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: he was like minus thirty, and he was a forward
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: like come on, like you're just like you're it's so
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: egregiously obvious that the people voting just don't like Evan
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Bouchard and it's such a personal vendetta against him, and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: I kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of tweeted about it and I was just like, it's
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  Speaker 3: just kind of shitty, man.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, this fucking guy gets it from all angles
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  Speaker 4: all the time, and he just sits down and he
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: you know, you you know, we talked to Prongs about
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  Speaker 4: getting booed and by your fan base, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: fans just don't appreciate him, I don't think. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he makes his eye test turnover wise is bad, and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: his body language at time is bad, but what he
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  Speaker 4: did points wise, come the fuck on plus twenty five
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  Speaker 4: ninety five points, Like, how does that not warrant a vote?
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  Speaker 4: I know it's not a points trophy, but mccarr he
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  Speaker 4: had a better year than mccar. It's not a better
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  Speaker 4: defenseman than macar, let me clarify that, but he had
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  Speaker 4: a better year than Cale mccarr.
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  Speaker 2: And it just is what it is.
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  Speaker 4: Dolly, and I think what he went through with his
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  Speaker 4: wife and leading that team to the playoffs and the
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  Speaker 4: season he had, I think warrants a vote as well.
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  Speaker 4: And then Wrenski's the winner, but like, come on, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: it's just it's a little shitty. You're just throwing the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: car because of the bias, and.
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  Speaker 2: So you would have put him a head of macr Bouchard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, is.
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  Speaker 4: Bouchard dollying if you want and Wrensky and I think
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: the dollying one is could be flipped. I think Warnsky
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  Speaker 4: and Bouchard should have been the two solid ones in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: there interesting to be And that goes to my second
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: point of this year is it's never been more apparent
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  Speaker 4: there needs to be two trophies for the for defenseman
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  Speaker 4: for awards. We can't go another year without this. It's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: it's nonsense.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: You have defense and defensive defenseman.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you name the name the offense, keep it the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Norris for the defensive defenseman, or we call it all
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I'd say all around. And then you have your offensive defenseman,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: the Bobby or just call it the Bobby Orr and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: the Norris fuck off everybody else.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Enough's enough, I reiterate. The stories came down while we
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: were recording.
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  Speaker 1: Craig Beruby out now as the head coach of the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Male Leafs two years left, nine million dollars still on
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: his deal. Who do they hire? Is it Bruce Cassidy,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Is it Dean Evison? Or maybe option see somebody a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: lot cheaper who's an unknown.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Probably going to be an unknown. I'm assuming you know,
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  Speaker 4: they got a lot of money going out the door
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  Speaker 4: with Craig, so I don't think they can sign a.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Big guy.
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, you always call it this is
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: the This is gonna be the in between coach. This
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: is going to be in between you know, somebody that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: blows their socks off in an interview, you know, kind
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: of like an Andre TOURINGI in Utah, kind of like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: who turn ended up really showing out very well for
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: this Utah franchise in Arizona. But it was when he
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: was in Arizona, it was a cheaper hire. Thinking he'd
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: be an in between guy for when you're ready to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: bring in the coach. And I think this is going
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: to be the one for Toronto. It's going to be
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: just an in between maybe young guy, proven guy. You know,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: maybe you look at Chris Knoblock. Maybe coming is another one.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: If you keep a guy in the league. I'd bring
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Chris Knoblock over.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: If you can afford him to Stanley Cup finals, bring
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: him right over. But I think Austin's going to have
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: a say in it. But I can't imagine they don't
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: go cheap and they don't go young. And if they
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: do and they go old in a veteran, yeah, I'd
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: be surprised because you just did that. You just did
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: that with You just did that with Brubay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, always mix it up.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe more a player friendly coach, younger guy, trying to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: motivate the players.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Etctera last thought flowers to PK Suban.
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  Speaker 1: Four years after his last NHL game, ESPN analyst PK
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  Speaker 1: Suban successfully completed his pledge to raise ten million dollars
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: the Montreal Children's Hospital.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: The hospital announced its achievement over the weekend.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Subin announced the pledge in twenty fifteen as a member
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: of the Canadians who treated him in Nashville. A year later,
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  Speaker 1: the hospital claims this is the largest ever philanthropic commitment
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: by Canadian pro athlete has helped approximately one hundred thousand children.
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  Speaker 1: So certainly kudos to PK in raising that money. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: it's not till Miliane, but Honder's rookie defense of Matthew
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Shaeffer also to announced he's partnering with Northwall Health to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: open the Jennifer Shaeffer Child Support Center in honor of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: his mother, who lost her battle with breast cancer in
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: So a retired star and a future star both doing
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: great things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, being of service to your community
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: when you have a platform is one of the most
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: important rewarding things you can do to give back. And
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: I think we need to be a society and a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: race of people that serve and and serve people that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: are under privilege and also serve people that are going
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: through some tough time.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: So good for them to do that. It's awesome stuff.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: So you know it's got to give back.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you've always given back. You have
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: charitable ventures on your Instagram. You've talked about mental health
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: as well, so a kudos to you as well for
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: always fighting the good fight. And kudas once again to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Jillian and Denise her mom enjoying just in time, good
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: taste and problems and.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: One of the first things you guys agreed upon in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: a while. Their tastes are quite different. Yeah, I just
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: throw her on the same page. I finally, same page.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell her she's gonna be stoked. She's like
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: ad Nan Finally.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Toal, Thanks for the entire crew. Nate Thompson
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: hopefully next time. Not sure if he's going to book
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: for the five fifty, but he wasn't here, But go ahead.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Can we get through a couple? Did we?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Just quickly?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: Sure we'll Player safety Brad mcnam's gonna have a hearing
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: for that hit, big one. It's a big loss for
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Vegas even though they you know, won that one. And
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: then what did the macavoy stuff come out to? Charlie
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: X Games six Tomahawk chop I fucking love it. Six
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: laying the hammer first six games next season. Important six
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: games early in the year for Boston when you think
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, important.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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