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- 0:02Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen.
- 0:06Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen? I'll take one what.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Help everybody to another? Unless's magical mail bag. I'm joined
- 0:27Speaker 1: as always by my co host Nick Nick. Tell them
- 0:30Speaker 1: what you're up to, Tell them where they can find you.
- 0:32Speaker 2: What is going on? What am I up to? I'm
- 0:34Speaker 2: still recording a gidnod Bruno recording part two. It should
- 0:38Speaker 2: be a two part series that should be dropping right
- 0:41Speaker 2: after the Halloween hopefully. Uh. And what else we got
- 0:45Speaker 2: coming up? Uh the fourteenth, your cult rejects will be
- 0:48Speaker 2: getting together the whole crew. We'll be talking about Serpent
- 0:50Speaker 2: in the Rainbow and zombies, so that should be fun.
- 0:54Speaker 2: Another thing I guess I can advertise a little bit
- 0:57Speaker 2: December fifth through seventh. I forgot that of it. I
- 1:01Speaker 2: don't think you have more information. I won't have a booth,
- 1:04Speaker 2: but I will be at another event. It's gonna be
- 1:07Speaker 2: in Phoenix, Arizona, and it's gonna be like a lot
- 1:09Speaker 2: of that like megalithic stuff, very much like cosmic summing,
- 1:12Speaker 2: almost like the same thing. But I will be there,
- 1:15Speaker 2: so if there's anybody going there, you know I'll be there.
- 1:17Speaker 2: And that's what Zobe can hang out and show out
- 1:19Speaker 2: and shit, I'll be uh, I'll be with the press paths.
- 1:22Speaker 2: So just I'm sure you'll see me walking around taking
- 1:25Speaker 2: pictures and shit. So yeah, come check that out. And
- 1:29Speaker 2: uh yeah, I guess that's really about it. I don't
- 1:32Speaker 2: think we got anything really going on. Oh do we
- 1:34Speaker 2: got any Oh this Sunday or Saturday Sunday, we got
- 1:38Speaker 2: two shows. Unfortunately only one of them will be alive.
- 1:41Speaker 2: We'll have Deborah on, she's been on this show actually before.
- 1:45Speaker 2: And we got Ivy the Occultist coming on the Occult Rejects. Finally,
- 1:49Speaker 2: it's been like a year in the works that I've
- 1:51Speaker 2: been trying to get this girl on. Very busy woman,
- 1:54Speaker 2: she was writing a book and all this other stuff
- 1:56Speaker 2: that you know entails with that and just you know, shit,
- 1:58Speaker 2: trying to get our own stuff going. Finally got her on.
- 2:01Speaker 2: That should be uh, that should be should be interesting,
- 2:03Speaker 2: should be really fun and hopefully uh after that we'll
- 2:07Speaker 2: be able to get a few other type of occultists on.
- 2:09Speaker 2: They will hopefully open the door for us just keeping
- 2:11Speaker 2: it real. So should be shed you know, definitely be interesting.
- 2:16Speaker 2: So yeah, check that out. I won't be live unfortunately,
- 2:19Speaker 2: but I will be dropping it probably the week, you
- 2:21Speaker 2: know that, within a few days. I don't want to
- 2:23Speaker 2: hold back on that one. So definitely check that out.
- 2:25Speaker 2: It should be interesting. It should be the almost the
- 2:27Speaker 2: whole cult reject crew with Ivy the Occultists, and we'll
- 2:31Speaker 2: be talking chaos magic. All right. There you go, Thank you, sir.
- 2:37Speaker 1: Awesome. I gotta get on TikTok. Dude, I just got
- 2:40Speaker 1: the setup for the Alchemy. No I saw.
- 2:44Speaker 2: I'm just looking at you said, I'm like, Yo, this
- 2:47Speaker 2: dude ain't playing around.
- 2:49Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, it's a socks slid extractor. I got the
- 2:53Speaker 1: big one.
- 2:54Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw hear that, ladies, he's got the big one.
- 2:57Speaker 2: I've seen it. Yeah, No, I saw that show. I
- 3:03Speaker 2: was like, Yo, this, this guy's like that joking like
- 3:06Speaker 2: he's buying shit for this.
- 3:08Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, like I thinks you're so cool to watch,
- 3:11Speaker 1: right you. It's basically like a really complicated way of
- 3:15Speaker 1: making tea pretty much. But what you do is you
- 3:20Speaker 1: put the alcohol in the bottom of it, right, it
- 3:22Speaker 1: starts to evaporate and then condense back down and then
- 3:26Speaker 1: goes through your goes through your material that you're trying
- 3:30Speaker 1: to extract, and so you put the alcohol through an
- 3:33Speaker 1: alcohol train and then you pick out the essential oils
- 3:37Speaker 1: for many plants, so you can be making all sorts
- 3:40Speaker 1: of stuff with that.
- 3:41Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly nice, dude. No, that's awesome that you're
- 3:44Speaker 2: doing that. That is sick. I that was I almost
- 3:48Speaker 2: got into that myself. There was a few people I
- 3:50Speaker 2: knew from the OTO or just in magic too. Before
- 3:55Speaker 2: I had, like, you know, kind of stepped out of
- 3:56Speaker 2: that whole occult community. There was a few people that
- 3:59Speaker 2: had just started. You get COVID gave people time to
- 4:01Speaker 2: start doing shit. People were like, yeah, I'm gonna staw
- 4:04Speaker 2: fucking with alchemy. I'm gonna start a distracting my own
- 4:06Speaker 2: oilsh People started to do shit, and uh, it was
- 4:09Speaker 2: pretty interesting. I thought of it again. I thought about
- 4:11Speaker 2: doing it myself, but I started a podcast instead.
- 4:15Speaker 1: So I'm picking up the picture. This thing is okay.
- 4:21Speaker 1: So I had one before, but it was nowhere near
- 4:23Speaker 1: the size. I think it was one hundred c seeds
- 4:25Speaker 1: or I forget the measurement. Where is it? Of course
- 4:37Speaker 1: I gotta convert. Oh there it is. M look at
- 4:45Speaker 1: that bad boy. Oh yeah, once it's all put together.
- 4:49Speaker 1: It's easily like three feet. It's fucking cool. So the
- 4:54Speaker 1: condensers on top, so as the alcohol is heated up
- 4:57Speaker 1: down here, it goes in through the uh, through the
- 5:00Speaker 1: material that you've got in a thimble, right, and then
- 5:05Speaker 1: it extracts. Well, the steam keeps going up and up here.
- 5:09Speaker 1: You hook up cold water to it so you don't
- 5:12Speaker 1: lose any of the alcohol. It condenses back down into
- 5:16Speaker 1: the subject, so it's continuously reverberating up through the top
- 5:19Speaker 1: and then down through the bottom.
- 5:21Speaker 2: It does look like a bomb, like somebody said, I mean,
- 5:23Speaker 2: that's quite obvious though.
- 5:24Speaker 1: It definitely does, but a little different than a bomb.
- 5:28Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think is cool as shit. Dude, Yo,
- 5:32Speaker 2: you know what I and I sure, I really, I'm
- 5:35Speaker 2: gonna say it, so now I have to do it.
- 5:37Speaker 2: But like something that I have, I don't know if
- 5:38Speaker 2: you've even mentioned it to you, something, I definitely want
- 5:41Speaker 2: to do it within like I'm trying to give myself
- 5:43Speaker 2: like three years, maybe four, but I'd rather do it
- 5:46Speaker 2: in two or three. I'm going to eventually get a
- 5:49Speaker 2: piece of property and I want to put like unfortunately,
- 5:52Speaker 2: I want to try to do like the cheapest, but
- 5:54Speaker 2: like most reliable way to do it probably getting like
- 5:57Speaker 2: two of those fucking Amazon houses and somehow putting them
- 5:59Speaker 2: together and stick on a piece of property. I actually
- 6:02Speaker 2: want to start an alchemy lab, and like I don't
- 6:05Speaker 2: know how to explain it. It's not a lodge, but
- 6:07Speaker 2: I like to have an alchemy lab and actually have
- 6:09Speaker 2: like a place where like books are set up, and
- 6:12Speaker 2: like I'll actually do classes or whatever, like lectures and seminars.
- 6:17Speaker 2: I actually do want to have like an actual place
- 6:20Speaker 2: for the occult rejects, and like it will be open
- 6:22Speaker 2: to people to come there at certain times, like a
- 6:24Speaker 2: regular place. That is actually something I do plan on
- 6:27Speaker 2: trying to do. And I want an alchemy lab in the.
- 6:30Speaker 1: Motherfuck m Well, I'll help you out about that.
- 6:34Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, no, I want to try to strategically
- 6:36Speaker 2: even find a place in the United States that makes
- 6:38Speaker 2: it closer for a lot of people in case they
- 6:40Speaker 2: ever want to come, Like it would be open to
- 6:41Speaker 2: any of the rejects obviously in the fans.
- 6:43Speaker 1: You know, what do you feel about a zooe?
- 6:49Speaker 2: What's that.
- 6:52Speaker 1: We pull it up?
- 6:53Speaker 2: I would be totally honest with you. I would like
- 6:55Speaker 2: to eventually have somebody there or us. Eventually those things
- 7:00Speaker 2: would be cool. Uh. I want to actually create a
- 7:03Speaker 2: free energy machine. Oh well, yeah, to run I know
- 7:07Speaker 2: a couple to run our own I don't want to say,
- 7:11Speaker 2: you know whatever, you know what I'm getting it. I
- 7:14Speaker 2: actually think that's one of the reasons why some places
- 7:16Speaker 2: get raided is because that's like, that's actually the real problem.
- 7:20Speaker 2: They don't want people doing that. Is that their pyramids
- 7:24Speaker 2: or they got some weird shit going on there that Yeah,
- 7:26Speaker 2: we're off the fucking grig because we're creating our own energy.
- 7:30Speaker 1: Right. Well, you got electrolysis of water gives you HHL,
- 7:35Speaker 1: which is fuel, you know, so all you gotta do
- 7:38Speaker 1: is hook it up to other power sources and then
- 7:40Speaker 1: you're constantly running you know hh So you can use
- 7:44Speaker 1: that as gasoline, you can use that as heating, all
- 7:46Speaker 1: sorts of stuff. You can use it to.
- 7:48Speaker 2: Well between like just between the people we the stuff
- 7:51Speaker 2: we know, and the people we know. There'd be no
- 7:53Speaker 2: reason why I wouldn't be able to do something like that.
- 7:55Speaker 2: If thro a will, let's just keep it. There'll be
- 7:57Speaker 2: no reason why not as long is you know, people
- 8:01Speaker 2: aren't I guess, you know, running their mouths about what's
- 8:03Speaker 2: going on over there.
- 8:05Speaker 1: Right, and you wouldn't have to be afraid that it's
- 8:08Speaker 1: a crazy place because we're gonna be streaming all the time.
- 8:12Speaker 2: Well that that's another thing too. Yeah, It's like if
- 8:14Speaker 2: I did lectures or any shit like that, I would
- 8:16Speaker 2: I would fucking obviously recorded any of the ship that. Yeah,
- 8:18Speaker 2: I would want to do that all. Yeah, you're totally right, Yeah,
- 8:21Speaker 2: exactly absolutely So.
- 8:24Speaker 1: Uh for the symbol I brought Anana, Now, what's your
- 8:31Speaker 1: first impression there, because it's a very iconic image.
- 8:35Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, she looks a little bit different from other ways. Oh,
- 8:41Speaker 2: I could be getting in Ishtar confused though, but she
- 8:45Speaker 2: she was a little bit skinnier than normal for some reason.
- 8:49Speaker 2: I always felt the about it. Well, the other one
- 8:50Speaker 2: was like a little little thicker.
- 8:53Speaker 1: Is Andana are are basically kind of really close syncretisms
- 8:59Speaker 1: of one another, right, so you get a big crossover
- 9:04Speaker 1: between the two. But I think Nana is the Babylonian
- 9:08Speaker 1: version and Ishtar is like, well, yeah, Ishtar's babylon Inana's assumer.
- 9:17Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot going on in here. I mean
- 9:20Speaker 2: besides the I mean even the things in her back,
- 9:24Speaker 2: the star, the lion, I mean her foot on.
- 9:27Speaker 1: It, the foot on the lion. Dude, that's the theme
- 9:31Speaker 1: that has been going on throughout all history. Is the
- 9:34Speaker 1: woman with her foot on the Lion's so crazy.
- 9:38Speaker 2: You know what it's it that's even like almost uh
- 9:41Speaker 2: reminiscent over maybe the opposite of is it like the
- 9:44Speaker 2: Russian's flag or he's not got his foot but he's
- 9:46Speaker 2: like got his like sword like through a snake, like
- 9:49Speaker 2: you're still keeping something down. I don't know.
- 9:52Speaker 1: Well, think about the picture of what's his name slaying
- 9:56Speaker 1: the bull and the Roman temples. It was Zoroastrianism sort
- 10:04Speaker 1: of what was his name?
- 10:05Speaker 2: Though? Her wings remind me of that Zoroastrian look too.
- 10:09Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's where you get a lot of
- 10:11Speaker 1: that imagery from. Is from this region. Those wings stick
- 10:15Speaker 1: stuck around for thousands and thousands of years, but uh
- 10:20Speaker 1: anana I had it pulled up. The thing that pops
- 10:24Speaker 1: out to me is this horror babylon idea, Right, she
- 10:28Speaker 1: embodies that horror of Babylon motif, and she's most often
- 10:32Speaker 1: syncretized with Venus or Aphrodite or all the rest of
- 10:35Speaker 1: this stuff. She's the goddess of love, fertility, and war, right,
- 10:41Speaker 1: all of these things all mixed together, and she was
- 10:44Speaker 1: actually worshiped in temples that were their own, separate city
- 10:49Speaker 1: from the rest of this and so they kept that
- 10:52Speaker 1: city sacred to Ishtaranana all throughout the generations, so as
- 10:57Speaker 1: they're fighting each other, they don't go to the place.
- 11:00Speaker 1: It's never touched by war until after. I think it
- 11:03Speaker 1: was the daughter of the guy who hammer Robbie. I believe, no, no, no, no,
- 11:12Speaker 1: it was before Hammer Robbie. But anyways, this place was
- 11:17Speaker 1: sort of like a holy site that all the other
- 11:20Speaker 1: sites sort of copied off of, especially with aphrodity, because
- 11:24Speaker 1: you know, the Greeks are like two thousand years after
- 11:26Speaker 1: this time period. Everything in Sumer was completely preserved too,
- 11:31Speaker 1: by the way, because they wrote everything on bricks. I mean,
- 11:34Speaker 1: how do you get a better way of preserving information
- 11:37Speaker 1: that writing on a fucking brick. You know, it's interesting
- 11:41Speaker 1: they wrote.
- 11:42Speaker 2: Now this thing too, is that a I would assume
- 11:45Speaker 2: this is like a cylinder seal like rolling type thing
- 11:47Speaker 2: or I'm not, well, not a seal, but like it
- 11:49Speaker 2: was that something that was carved in them, pressed into clay.
- 11:51Speaker 2: You think, you know, you know what I'm getting it?
- 11:54Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, I.
- 11:55Speaker 1: Get that impression. It feels like it was some kind
- 11:58Speaker 1: of a mold.
- 11:59Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sorry, getting a mold or something like that.
- 12:01Speaker 1: Yeah right, But if that's the case, you know, it's
- 12:05Speaker 1: it's definitely goes back to that coppery idea because they're
- 12:08Speaker 1: definitely using copper if that's in the in the shape
- 12:11Speaker 1: that it is, you know, and uh, you know copper's venus,
- 12:16Speaker 1: oh yeah, everything else, you know.
- 12:19Speaker 2: Yeah, I would even say this color, I mean, well,
- 12:23Speaker 2: I mean you're gonna get that kind of color maybe
- 12:25Speaker 2: anyway with clayish, but well not necessarily, but even this
- 12:28Speaker 2: color almost kind of.
- 12:31Speaker 1: Helps. It's a really strong orange green uh transition too, which.
- 12:37Speaker 2: The orange is green orange would kind of go with
- 12:39Speaker 2: starting like a lion a little bit right, kind of
- 12:42Speaker 2: getting a little bit close to gold for Leo, this
- 12:46Speaker 2: could even be a mixture of like golden green. Really yeah,
- 12:50Speaker 2: I really like this seal. It's very interesting. There's a
- 12:52Speaker 2: lot of shit in there. Like even even the differences
- 12:54Speaker 2: in those things on our back, I guarantee means something.
- 12:58Speaker 1: Hey put it star, dude, eight pointed star. We're gonna
- 13:01Speaker 1: be talking about chaos magic. It goes straight back to
- 13:03Speaker 1: the goddess.
- 13:04Speaker 2: Dude, ye, and I's got an eight point in star
- 13:06Speaker 2: on the I think on those thumbnail.
- 13:09Speaker 1: I can't believe people don't put that together. I mean,
- 13:11Speaker 1: that's what chaos magic really, you know comes out of.
- 13:15Speaker 1: Is is this anana worship fertility? Right? You could say
- 13:19Speaker 1: that's increase, right, and then you've got love love spells
- 13:24Speaker 1: usually chaos magic, and then war. Right, she is chaos magic.
- 13:30Speaker 2: I love how like it's funny, how like sex of
- 13:33Speaker 2: war just goes together. He gave the bitch some dick
- 13:36Speaker 2: and she wants to kill everybody.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Now, Aphrodite, the first person that she cheated on Hiphestus
- 13:44Speaker 1: with was Aries, so she was forcefully married to Hyphestus.
- 13:48Speaker 1: Zeus said, you have to marry somebody, and it has
- 13:50Speaker 1: to be that guy because hi Festus was crippled, and
- 13:53Speaker 1: so they made Aphrodite Mary Hiphestus. And then the first
- 13:58Speaker 1: person that she cheats on high Us as with is
- 14:01Speaker 1: the god of war.
- 14:03Speaker 2: You know, I thought I saw today that they said
- 14:06Speaker 2: Aries was like the only god in his pantheon that
- 14:09Speaker 2: actually didn't abuse women to be Yeah, yeah, they said,
- 14:14Speaker 2: if anything, there was one time or any think I
- 14:16Speaker 2: forgot the story or they he like actually fucked somebody
- 14:20Speaker 2: up because I think they put their hands on a
- 14:21Speaker 2: chick or rate the chick. But they said that he's
- 14:25Speaker 2: actually like the only one who like never put his
- 14:27Speaker 2: hands on a woman. And it's just interesting, like the
- 14:29Speaker 2: god of war was actually the one who never slapped
- 14:31Speaker 2: the chick around.
- 14:33Speaker 1: Well, I have an interesting comparison. I hope it doesn't
- 14:35Speaker 1: give me a bad form YouTube, but uh aries. The
- 14:39Speaker 1: way that they would worship aries in Sparta is by
- 14:44Speaker 1: having these kids bring puppies to the temple and then
- 14:47Speaker 1: kill the puppies. They were training school shooters, like that
- 14:53Speaker 1: was the idea. Like they wanted these kids to be
- 14:56Speaker 1: absolutely psychopathic and bloodthirsty and they started that from an
- 15:00Speaker 1: early age.
- 15:03Speaker 2: School shoot is back in the day, that's what they wanted.
- 15:07Speaker 1: You know. It's like these people will kill without stopping,
- 15:12Speaker 1: but you know in that you have that kind of
- 15:15Speaker 1: I don't know, innocence as well, So it's like this
- 15:18Speaker 1: you know, child assassin kind of feel you.
- 15:21Speaker 2: Haven't even heard back in the day. They think drugs
- 15:23Speaker 2: might have been involved, even like help put them in
- 15:25Speaker 2: a for.
- 15:27Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah. And the Greeks were masters of drugs.
- 15:31Speaker 1: You know, they knew the entire pharmacopeia lost so much
- 15:34Speaker 1: since then, but they had they had drugs that you
- 15:37Speaker 1: could take. There were a border factors, so they had
- 15:40Speaker 1: birth control back then.
- 15:41Speaker 2: Like why do they always give us stew before a war?
- 15:45Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's always soup and it
- 15:50Speaker 2: tastes weird.
- 15:52Speaker 1: When I was in the Army, they kept telling us
- 15:55Speaker 1: that they put saltpeter in the egg. Yeah, that's probably
- 15:59Speaker 1: what they say at prison too.
- 16:01Speaker 2: Yeah, is that true. I can tell you when I
- 16:06Speaker 2: was in unfortunately, because I spent some time in federal prison,
- 16:11Speaker 2: I was on a it was on a base too,
- 16:13Speaker 2: four dicks. It's on a four dicks obviously in Jersey.
- 16:17Speaker 1: The other side in Jersey. Oh were you Yeah, I
- 16:21Speaker 1: did annual training.
- 16:23Speaker 2: That's right. You had told me that's right. That's right.
- 16:24Speaker 2: You're on the other side of the fence, and I
- 16:26Speaker 2: was on the Yeah, that's crazy. Uh. Yeah. And the
- 16:30Speaker 2: places that they put us in used to be like
- 16:32Speaker 2: your old barracks if people were there. But the thing
- 16:34Speaker 2: is we got fed the same food they fed them there.
- 16:37Speaker 2: And some of the ship that was on that packaging
- 16:40Speaker 2: was actually a little weird, Like some of them would
- 16:42Speaker 2: say not for human consumption or would say, uh, what
- 16:46Speaker 2: was one of the that's that sweetener they use, like
- 16:49Speaker 2: they have like warnings of that ship on the boxes,
- 16:53Speaker 2: and I was like, yo, like yo, guys in the
- 16:55Speaker 2: kitchen would literally like take the risk too of like
- 16:57Speaker 2: ripping shit off and bringing it back to show people
- 17:00Speaker 2: like this is what the fuck this? Shiit says in
- 17:02Speaker 2: the kitchen like this is what they're feeding us, damn,
- 17:07Speaker 2: And they're like, yo, it's crazy to give him the
- 17:09Speaker 2: fucking service.
- 17:10Speaker 1: The guys in the service, Yeah, MR's are fucking wild, dude.
- 17:16Speaker 1: They had the wildest MR I've ever had was a
- 17:19Speaker 1: uh what was it? Egg omelet MRI? And so that
- 17:24Speaker 1: was the entree and you would put that little package
- 17:26Speaker 1: and heat it up. But what the fuck are you
- 17:29Speaker 1: doing making a freeze dried or like dehydrated omelet and
- 17:32Speaker 1: putting that in there like they're hiding so much like
- 17:36Speaker 1: everybody avoided that. There would be piles of these egg
- 17:39Speaker 1: omelet MREs and people are like I don't want that
- 17:42Speaker 1: one anything, But there are a couple like that chicken
- 17:48Speaker 1: Ali king too.
- 17:49Speaker 2: Oh, trying to make an MRI sound good chick.
- 17:55Speaker 1: No, just think about the worst possible way to prepare
- 17:59Speaker 1: this food. And so that's what you want to avoid.
- 18:03Speaker 2: You think, Alex Jones.
- 18:06Speaker 1: Oh right, Yeah, they're supposed to have a five year
- 18:10Speaker 1: shelf life, but the original sea rations had a twenty
- 18:12Speaker 1: year shelf life. Oh so the stuff they were given,
- 18:15Speaker 1: the guys over in Vietnam were like even more loaded
- 18:18Speaker 1: up with chemicals.
- 18:20Speaker 2: It's so nice. All right, Uh'll get over to you
- 18:24Speaker 2: want to pull up my I thing here, we'll get
- 18:26Speaker 2: this going. Yeah, all right, so we got the end.
- 18:30Speaker 2: This unicorn seal. The in this unicorn seal is a
- 18:34Speaker 2: small square or fired stee type I don't know, I
- 18:40Speaker 2: don't have to pronounce that right, type of stone, carved
- 18:42Speaker 2: in a Taglio intagio with a one horned or long
- 18:47Speaker 2: and long necked creature standing before a curious stand.
- 18:52Speaker 1: Uh.
- 18:53Speaker 2: And it's often read as a you know, as an altar,
- 18:55Speaker 2: or it's an incense burner. It's often used on like
- 18:58Speaker 2: on an altar for incense, and it's topped by a
- 19:01Speaker 2: line of characters in the still undeciphered script. They're not
- 19:05Speaker 2: exactly sure what it means. Museums catalog hundreds of them,
- 19:09Speaker 2: each both have a seal like an administrative stamp and
- 19:12Speaker 2: a sigil, a charged reoccurring image where and where it
- 19:18Speaker 2: first shows up. Archaologically speaking, the motif belongs to a
- 19:24Speaker 2: to the mature harp harrowpan phase of the Indus civilization,
- 19:30Speaker 2: and that is roughly around twenty six hundred to nineteen
- 19:33Speaker 2: hundred BCE. Examples come from from the great baked brick
- 19:40Speaker 2: cities of Mohenjo Daro in Harapa and today's Pakistan, and
- 19:45Speaker 2: from dala Vera if I'm saying that right, and other
- 19:49Speaker 2: other places in Indian major collections. You can find them
- 19:52Speaker 2: in the British set. What's funny how the British Museum
- 19:54Speaker 2: and the met always comes up like it's those two
- 19:57Speaker 2: museums always have this shit. It's interesting realism. Major collections
- 20:02Speaker 2: date and describe them consistently. Square stamp sales of burnt
- 20:08Speaker 2: ste Tite or stee Tite with a unicorn and inscription
- 20:12Speaker 2: on the face. In September nineteen twenty four, Sir John Marshall,
- 20:17Speaker 2: then Director of the Archaeological Survey of India, announced the
- 20:21Speaker 2: civilization to the world in the Illustrated London News and
- 20:25Speaker 2: these were in there. What it looks like and how
- 20:29Speaker 2: to spot an authentic one, and I will move over
- 20:32Speaker 2: to another picture you can check out that one. A
- 20:35Speaker 2: typical unicorn seal is about three to five centimeters square.
- 20:39Speaker 2: The animal is shown in strict profile, elongated body, a
- 20:43Speaker 2: single arcing horn, often with a ribbed in spiral rendering.
- 20:49Speaker 2: The neck carries a banded blanket or halter in two
- 20:53Speaker 2: or three insized lines. In front of the muzzle stands
- 20:57Speaker 2: a mysterious device with a grill or sea like top.
- 21:01Speaker 2: Above runs a short line of indisc characters. Many seals
- 21:05Speaker 2: are perforated on the reverse so they can be strung
- 21:10Speaker 2: and worn and also gripped while pressing the face into
- 21:13Speaker 2: wet clay excavated pieces and some gulf area In this style,
- 21:18Speaker 2: seals especially spelicically noted the pierced grooved boss who made
- 21:26Speaker 2: them and how. Excavations in Harapa Mound E exposed a
- 21:32Speaker 2: specialized workshop for steatite and furnaces, and it had raw
- 21:38Speaker 2: materials and like production debris showing for the wet day
- 21:42Speaker 2: Believe shows an expert craft like area where seal carvers
- 21:46Speaker 2: worked alongside bead makers. Technical studies were done to reconstruct
- 21:51Speaker 2: the process of making these. It's again its carved soft
- 21:55Speaker 2: steel tite. They fire it at about nine hundred to
- 21:58Speaker 2: one thousand degrees cells and that's what gives it to
- 22:02Speaker 2: hardened and sometimes produces a pale glaze and the inlay
- 22:06Speaker 2: or rub with white paste into incisions. On some examples,
- 22:11Speaker 2: stylistic work on large samples shows multiple hands and lineages
- 22:16Speaker 2: of artisans rather than a single one, because you will
- 22:19Speaker 2: see variations in horn shape, the neck banding, and the
- 22:23Speaker 2: little thread marks on the throat map to distinct carving traditions.
- 22:28Speaker 2: There's another sign we're looking at as that's basically like
- 22:31Speaker 2: a sign of showing that it's a distributed administrative system
- 22:35Speaker 2: across towns using a shared icon of shared symbols.
- 22:42Speaker 1: That's what the Martok blade that you were showing last time.
- 22:45Speaker 2: Yes, that's you know what. That's what it made me
- 22:47Speaker 2: think about how it was like something that was like
- 22:49Speaker 2: kind of like mass produced and it had reasons for it,
- 22:52Speaker 2: like they think that this again, like there was like
- 22:54Speaker 2: certain things being said and it could be a talisman
- 22:58Speaker 2: where it traveled in this Unicorn seals and close cousins
- 23:04Speaker 2: didn't really stay in the area. By the early millennium, BCE.
- 23:07Speaker 2: Indus style seals and impressions turn up in the golf
- 23:10Speaker 2: in Mesopotamia at er Sousa, the lum and sometimes with
- 23:17Speaker 2: in this in this sorry, Yeah, they show up in
- 23:21Speaker 2: those areas and where else. The classic paper trail goes
- 23:26Speaker 2: back to CG. Gad's nineteen thirty two notice of Indus
- 23:32Speaker 2: style seals at yuur So. I mean that's where they're
- 23:35Speaker 2: even getting some of the stuff. It's from that guy
- 23:37Speaker 2: finding it. Nobody can read the script unfortunately, yet, so
- 23:42Speaker 2: all meetings are argued from you know, context and repetition.
- 23:46Speaker 2: We see them labels and careful but clear unfunctions, seals,
- 23:49Speaker 2: remarks of ownership status, and administrative tools for stamping packages,
- 23:53Speaker 2: jars and bales, exactly what we expect in a civilization
- 23:58Speaker 2: running standardized weights, long distance trade, and warehouse logistics. Which
- 24:04Speaker 2: is interesting because I mean, I mean, I guess it
- 24:06Speaker 2: was advanced like that then, but I mean that I don't.
- 24:10Speaker 1: Know that was their brand. Yeah, like everybody knew it
- 24:14Speaker 1: came from the end of his valley.
- 24:15Speaker 2: If it had that brand on it, that's It's like
- 24:17Speaker 2: that when you got a bag of dope on the streets,
- 24:19Speaker 2: it has a stamp on it.
- 24:20Speaker 1: You know, this is the Nike yeah.
- 24:25Speaker 2: Matrix bags from then from East New York. God, I
- 24:30Speaker 2: remember those things, Uh, usage in daily life. I mean
- 24:38Speaker 2: it's really not you know, it's really not used anymore.
- 24:41Speaker 2: It's just kind of just shown. But yeah, that's about it.
- 24:45Speaker 2: They again, they don't know what it says, and they
- 24:49Speaker 2: really not, you know, he can't really put it to
- 24:51Speaker 2: like one person. So I thought it was interesting looking. Yeah,
- 24:57Speaker 2: it was different. Let me see, I got other ones too.
- 25:01Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what the fuck that thing is. It's
- 25:03Speaker 1: in front of it looks like it's catching something or
- 25:05Speaker 1: maybe a flower or what is it?
- 25:08Speaker 2: Yeah, remember it was like almost like a sieve or
- 25:09Speaker 2: something like. They didn't know, Like yeah, I mean sounds
- 25:13Speaker 2: crazy blood letting. I mean, who knows.
- 25:15Speaker 1: Yeah. But what's interesting about those lines is in the
- 25:19Speaker 1: very first one, it kind of looked like those lines
- 25:22Speaker 1: were like folds of skin on a rhinoceros.
- 25:28Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, that
- 25:33Speaker 2: his He's really good because when I saw that before,
- 25:35Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, that isn't something that like I
- 25:37Speaker 2: would as associate with like a you know, a unicorn
- 25:45Speaker 2: like you were saying. It was like the neck of
- 25:47Speaker 2: like a different type of animal, something that had like
- 25:51Speaker 2: like folding skin.
- 25:52Speaker 1: Well, there it looks kind of shaggy, like it might
- 25:54Speaker 1: have fur on its head.
- 25:56Speaker 2: Yeah, this one looks different, right, Well, the.
- 25:59Speaker 1: Other ones have little on the face, and so that
- 26:02Speaker 1: could be an indication of the fur in different ways.
- 26:05Speaker 1: But it's so strange how they go for those same
- 26:08Speaker 1: exact details, you know, just in different ways.
- 26:11Speaker 2: Yeah, there is if you if you actually do notice,
- 26:13Speaker 2: if you look at all these there's like certain things
- 26:15Speaker 2: that are always still repeated. It just it's a little
- 26:18Speaker 2: bit off to think. On the neck this like heart
- 26:21Speaker 2: upside out heart type of looking thing. They'll be showing
- 26:24Speaker 2: that one hang another and this thing is in the Yeah,
- 26:28Speaker 2: like those things are like always consistent if you're actually
- 26:31Speaker 2: going through all of them. Yeah, it's all consistent.
- 26:35Speaker 1: Well, some of the words on top change though, oh yeah, yeah.
- 26:39Speaker 2: But that those certain symbols are always there, right, Just
- 26:43Speaker 2: thing like that doesn't deviate.
- 26:46Speaker 1: Really, That one has two fishes next to each other. Yeah,
- 26:53Speaker 1: but yeah, I think there are definite patterns to these letters.
- 26:56Speaker 1: And what I think that's indicating is that Sumer probably
- 26:59Speaker 1: was in the origin of language and alphabet. That's just
- 27:05Speaker 1: the impression I get. They say that it was a
- 27:07Speaker 1: thousand BC, but I don't know, man, they could have
- 27:12Speaker 1: been using that way before that. They'd have to show
- 27:14Speaker 1: me some mark because I mean, that looks so unique
- 27:16Speaker 1: and it's not related to any other language, so clearly
- 27:19Speaker 1: it's got to be the oldest. That's what I think.
- 27:25Speaker 2: There's an interesting one, all right.
- 27:29Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a great sense about I like you.
- 27:32Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, it's finding it interesting how we both
- 27:35Speaker 2: pretty much had clay things today. Yeah, because I was
- 27:39Speaker 2: even thinking, like, yo, this whole sigil thing, like I'm
- 27:41Speaker 2: gonna have to go a little bit beyond like a
- 27:42Speaker 2: sigil symbol to go like you know, art or engravings
- 27:47Speaker 2: or even paintings or sculptures at this point. So we
- 27:54Speaker 2: got any mail, Yeah, we do.
- 27:57Speaker 1: We got some male from Terra.
- 27:59Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Tarrid Jackson.
- 28:02Speaker 1: It starts Tara Jackson.
- 28:04Speaker 2: Yet.
- 28:05Speaker 1: So, my best friend, like sixth grade killed herself about
- 28:09Speaker 1: ten years ago, and she had tried numerous, numerous times
- 28:12Speaker 1: before that. She really didn't want to be here. She
- 28:15Speaker 1: tried electrical therapy, she tried all kinds of stuff to
- 28:18Speaker 1: fix her brain, but in the end she did finally
- 28:20Speaker 1: achieve her goal and is no longer here. For well
- 28:23Speaker 1: about at least twenty five years. Before she died, we
- 28:26Speaker 1: weren't astrange but our lives to give her pads that
- 28:30Speaker 1: we didn't talk a whole lot, but if ever, and
- 28:34Speaker 1: we did talk and there was no difference, just like
- 28:37Speaker 1: we were always sisters. When we were in sixth grade,
- 28:39Speaker 1: we would hang out at the creek and just have
- 28:42Speaker 1: these conversations, these long, intense, really important conversations till eleven
- 28:46Speaker 1: year old girls have their best friends through schools. She
- 28:50Speaker 1: was the one I told I lost my virginity abortions.
- 28:54Speaker 2: She was my sister.
- 28:55Speaker 1: More than my sister. She was a lot of things
- 28:57Speaker 1: to me, and she was beautiful. Once or twice, I
- 29:00Speaker 1: would get a text message in the middle of the night,
- 29:02Speaker 1: I just said I love you, and I would know
- 29:05Speaker 1: it if it was her. I would know what she
- 29:09Speaker 1: was probably doing and there's nothing I could do about that.
- 29:12Speaker 1: And after the couple really serious attempts where she almost
- 29:16Speaker 1: didn't make it, I started to get mad about it,
- 29:19Speaker 1: and I started to get mad at her. I never
- 29:22Speaker 1: told her that, though of course she was addicted to heroin,
- 29:26Speaker 1: she was addicted to OxyContin and xanax for years. She
- 29:30Speaker 1: got pregnant, and she ended up having a baby and
- 29:32Speaker 1: then giving the baby up for about five months to
- 29:36Speaker 1: take care of the baby. And I think that's probably
- 29:39Speaker 1: what it finally succeeded. God bless I'm glad she did it.
- 29:45Speaker 1: Did not want to be here. Apparently she's much happier
- 29:48Speaker 1: now wherever she is. For the last few years, I've
- 29:51Speaker 1: been having dreams about her almost every night I will
- 29:54Speaker 1: go to sleep. They've always been nightmares. She's always mad
- 29:57Speaker 1: at me. She will never talk to me, and I
- 30:01Speaker 1: don't dream about people I know. Usually people in my
- 30:05Speaker 1: dreams are just I don't know dream people, So that
- 30:09Speaker 1: alone is weird. Because she kept popping up in my dreams,
- 30:12Speaker 1: and she was always mad at me, and I could
- 30:15Speaker 1: never really talk to her in these dreams, literally sometimes
- 30:18Speaker 1: five a week, always a nightmare, Always she's mad. A
- 30:21Speaker 1: couple of nights ago, I was sleeping in my friend's
- 30:25Speaker 1: bed and had a very long, detailed dream. It's the
- 30:28Speaker 1: first time I remember in a very long time she
- 30:31Speaker 1: was in it, but she was mad this time, and
- 30:35Speaker 1: she talked to me time. I had to wear in
- 30:41Speaker 1: all of my dreams and ask her why she is
- 30:45Speaker 1: always in my dreams? And why am I dreaming about
- 30:47Speaker 1: her now so much? Is she always mad at me
- 30:50Speaker 1: in my dreams? And I asked her because I'm wasting
- 30:55Speaker 1: my life still is and I know she shook her.
- 31:00Speaker 1: I had yes in my dream and she shook. I
- 31:03Speaker 1: asked her another question or two, and she said yes
- 31:06Speaker 1: to both of them. I don't want to get into it,
- 31:08Speaker 1: because I know not everything needs to be talked about here.
- 31:12Speaker 1: But we were in the sixth grade and made it
- 31:14Speaker 1: past one of us died and would let the other
- 31:17Speaker 1: one know somehow we'd come back to haunt each other.
- 31:21Speaker 1: Her and I also played with Luigi quite a bit
- 31:23Speaker 1: in the eighth grade and had to stop because our
- 31:26Speaker 1: friend's sister started acting like a weirdo and spooked us out.
- 31:30Speaker 1: She saw the ghost of my dad, I think, in
- 31:32Speaker 1: my bedroom one night while we were sleeping, and she
- 31:35Speaker 1: told me about the next day. I showed her a picture.
- 31:39Speaker 1: My son saw him as well, but that's a different story.
- 31:42Speaker 1: I don't believe in ghosts anymore. She was an atheist
- 31:45Speaker 1: by the time she had died, but the Bible says
- 31:48Speaker 1: the dead know nothing of this world. But I also
- 31:51Speaker 1: know that anything is possible with God. If it weren't
- 31:55Speaker 1: for the fact that I don't dream about people I
- 31:58Speaker 1: know hardly ever in every single dream I've had, then
- 32:05Speaker 1: that's what's happening. And it only this time she talked
- 32:08Speaker 1: to me and acknowledged me, and it feels so real.
- 32:11Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I'm glad to
- 32:13Speaker 1: hear her one more time.
- 32:15Speaker 2: Thank you.
- 32:16Speaker 1: I hope this makes sense. I'm sorry that any other
- 32:19Speaker 1: story I've sent you is probably really a mess. Thank
- 32:21Speaker 1: you for listening. If nothing else, well, thank you Tara
- 32:24Speaker 1: for that dream story. But yeah, I mean dreaming about
- 32:28Speaker 1: people who have died is one of the most intense
- 32:31Speaker 1: things imaginable. I mean, if it's happening so often, it's
- 32:35Speaker 1: definitely something to pay attention to.
- 32:40Speaker 2: You think you're something behind that.
- 32:43Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean usually what I see in
- 32:48Speaker 1: that case is it's almost like, since Tara's feeling guilty
- 32:53Speaker 1: about feeling mad at her friend for trying to, you know,
- 32:56Speaker 1: commit suicide, that many times she's projecting that back at
- 33:02Speaker 1: herself because she feels like this other person would have
- 33:07Speaker 1: known that and would have felt angrily towards her. So
- 33:12Speaker 1: in some ways, I see it's almost her being angry
- 33:14Speaker 1: at herself. But that seems to me the direction I
- 33:20Speaker 1: think it's going. And if that's the case, maybe if
- 33:23Speaker 1: you forgive yourself for being angry, you won't have the nightmare.
- 33:27Speaker 1: So much possible solution.
- 33:32Speaker 2: Yes, oh, you know what, I never really get to
- 33:35Speaker 2: talk about you, not that I'm like cutting this off.
- 33:37Speaker 2: H No, is it? Last week I was at an
- 33:40Speaker 2: event and I totally it was really I haven't met
- 33:43Speaker 2: this is the first time of really podcast, right, it's
- 33:45Speaker 2: with you well on the shows. Yeah, fuck, that's right. Yeah,
- 33:48Speaker 2: that shit was a blessed just for people that obviously
- 33:53Speaker 2: there was actually somebody there who knew who we were,
- 33:55Speaker 2: which actually blew my mind. I got actually post the
- 33:58Speaker 2: picture of it. I took a picture of the kid. Yeah,
- 34:01Speaker 2: somebody ran and came and ran and got me. There
- 34:03Speaker 2: was a these two older women. They were fucking awesome.
- 34:05Speaker 2: They're amazing. Linda Howell, who actually is like somebody in
- 34:08Speaker 2: the paranormal community who will come on, and her friend Jerry.
- 34:11Speaker 2: They had boots next to me, and they knew why
- 34:14Speaker 2: I was like somewhere else. They saw me going. I
- 34:15Speaker 2: think I was like I was on another podcast. There
- 34:18Speaker 2: was these live podcasts that were covering like paranormal shit,
- 34:21Speaker 2: and I was telling them my paranormal experiences. And when
- 34:25Speaker 2: I got done, one of them came in gradsmen like yo,
- 34:27Speaker 2: I think somebody was like waiting for you, were like
- 34:29Speaker 2: looking for you at your booth, and I was like, really,
- 34:31Speaker 2: I was never there. I was all over the place,
- 34:34Speaker 2: fucking going everywhere, talking to people this and that. And
- 34:37Speaker 2: I went back and the dude was like, oh my god.
- 34:39Speaker 2: He's like yo. He's like I turned the corner and
- 34:40Speaker 2: I saw the T shirts and he was like wait.
- 34:43Speaker 2: He's like what and he's like and then I saw
- 34:45Speaker 2: you a banner and he's like, holy fuck, that's your
- 34:46Speaker 2: YouTube logo and he's like, yo, I cannot believe you here.
- 34:49Speaker 2: He's like, I had no idea. He's like, yo, I've
- 34:51Speaker 2: been listening to you for like three years. And I
- 34:55Speaker 2: was like, yo, what the fuck. Your assistant ended up
- 34:57Speaker 2: coming back later on by myself and she's like, you
- 34:59Speaker 2: have no I that when she just blew my brother's mud.
- 35:01Speaker 2: She's like, you cannot believe you just met you. I
- 35:03Speaker 2: was like, yo, I I can't believe that. Dude says
- 35:05Speaker 2: he's been listening to me for three.
- 35:06Speaker 1: Fucking years, like we have a really loyal audience. It
- 35:11Speaker 1: was like, wow, people follow us.
- 35:13Speaker 2: Oho Tower's been around since I had a bitch You channel.
- 35:17Speaker 1: And was just a patrin think.
- 35:19Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's like almost five years now. There's
- 35:23Speaker 2: a few people in here that have been around.
- 35:26Speaker 1: By the way.
- 35:27Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, it was really cool. Yo. There
- 35:31Speaker 2: was a lot of people there. I don't know about
- 35:33Speaker 2: Cosmic Summon. It might have been around the same amount,
- 35:35Speaker 2: but I can tell you right now from any of
- 35:36Speaker 2: the other events. I went to the lady already asked, uh, well,
- 35:40Speaker 2: she told me, she says, if you want to come
- 35:41Speaker 2: back next year, I'll put you on the list. I
- 35:42Speaker 2: said for sure. I said, I am definitely coming back,
- 35:44Speaker 2: And there was I had a fucking blast. There was
- 35:48Speaker 2: a lot of people there, a lot of booths, and
- 35:51Speaker 2: all the booth people as cool as shit. I mean
- 35:53Speaker 2: I even had believe it or not. I did spend
- 35:56Speaker 2: a lot of time actually talking to people about like
- 35:58Speaker 2: kind of the occult, and I kept on showing them
- 36:01Speaker 2: the sticker and then showing them the eyeball situation. I
- 36:04Speaker 2: actually got a lot of people who are like after
- 36:06Speaker 2: I was done telling them that. They were like, you
- 36:08Speaker 2: know what, I'll take a sticker. I'm gonna check this out.
- 36:11Speaker 2: Like you know, I got people, I guess, you know,
- 36:13Speaker 2: as attention with that. So it was a good time though.
- 36:16Speaker 2: I had a really good time, and I would definitely
- 36:17Speaker 2: suggest that for next year, like again, I'll be going.
- 36:21Speaker 2: I would suggest if you're close by, it's actually worth
- 36:23Speaker 2: going to. And again it's like ten dollars a day.
- 36:26Speaker 2: There'll be hundreds of people there. There'll be tons of
- 36:29Speaker 2: shit going on. I mean, just the people at the Boots. Honestly,
- 36:32Speaker 2: some of those people, the stuff that they're the experiences
- 36:36Speaker 2: they've had, or even this was one thing I thought,
- 36:38Speaker 2: and not have to keep going on about it. This
- 36:39Speaker 2: shit these people made with their own hands was unbelievable
- 36:44Speaker 2: and the amount of time and passion these people, I
- 36:47Speaker 2: would be totally honest with you, And this is what
- 36:49Speaker 2: I had said to somebody else and said, all of
- 36:50Speaker 2: us with our boots were a bunch of fucking nerds
- 36:52Speaker 2: geeking out on what we're into. That's what the fucking is.
- 36:56Speaker 2: And I've come here and I'm meeting a whole bunch
- 36:57Speaker 2: of other people that are fucking weird like me geeking
- 36:59Speaker 2: out on something they love doing, you know what I'm saying.
- 37:02Speaker 2: And I even be honest, booth people are proably the
- 37:04Speaker 2: most authentic and passionate people there out of even the speakers.
- 37:08Speaker 2: So definitely, I would definitely say, come check that ship
- 37:12Speaker 2: out if you're around next year. I even made it
- 37:15Speaker 2: for some people I didn't know. I made it on
- 37:17Speaker 2: the fucking thumbnail for the uh for the news of
- 37:20Speaker 2: the online news had a video attached to it, and
- 37:24Speaker 2: I'm on the thumbnail and at the end with my
- 37:26Speaker 2: fucking Venetia mask on throwing up the okay symbol. They
- 37:29Speaker 2: fucking got me like that. I was like, I wonder
- 37:37Speaker 2: if it's that hands sign that actually got me on there.
- 37:42Speaker 1: That's the only way they take pictures of you.
- 37:43Speaker 2: You gotta, yeah, you never know, because I will say
- 37:50Speaker 2: it is a little weird that that out of everything,
- 37:52Speaker 2: got the fucking thumb yeah yeah, And I got the
- 37:56Speaker 2: Occult Reject shirt on and everything right there.
- 38:00Speaker 1: You gotta give them thirty three, you know, or something
- 38:03Speaker 1: like that.
- 38:03Speaker 2: Ye next time, next time, Yeah, no, next time you're
- 38:06Speaker 2: gonna be there. I don't care if I have to
- 38:07Speaker 2: fucking fly you in myself.
- 38:10Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like fun, well it was. It was
- 38:12Speaker 1: a place. Absolutely, this has been a great episode. Thank
- 38:16Speaker 1: you guys for joining us, and we'll see you again
- 38:18Speaker 1: next time.
- 38:19Speaker 2: Later