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Episode 135: What Stirs Your Affections? with Matt Chandler · MESSmerized - Funny and faith based encouragement in marriage , family , Christian parenting , and finding purpose

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Cynthia Gannoff and you are listening to the mesmerized podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, welcome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is the week after my book released in my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So thanks guys for all the support.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so grateful for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really am praying over every single person reads this book that the Lord will speak his words, not mine, and you'll be encouraged and laugh in all the things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So thanks for supporting how to miss that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and today Matt Chandler is here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love Matt Chandler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is the pastor of the village church.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is hilarious and so much fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we are going to talk about everything from a little baseball encounter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I witnessed with him at a passion event with Lou Giglio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to talk about the next generation of believers of students.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we are going to talk about
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[SPEAKER_02]: and some questions he asks himself every quarter just to make sure that he's not sleepy in his faith that he's awake and he is actively engaging in the things the Lord has for his life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's always a privilege to get to chat with Matt Chandler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you missed his wife Lauren, Chandler was on and the fall go back and listen to that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for now, thanks for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go, with Matt Chandler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Matt Chandler welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Always good to be back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was nervous there for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was on and then it was off and then we're back on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was glad we're actually doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I mean, I want to say that you were just being kind, but it may or may not have been because I saw you passed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, why you keep rescheduling and then you'd blame it on me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was huge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think the first one was you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was me the first one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, can we talk about this something for a minute that I feel like we need to cover the people deserve to know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You and I went to a passion event this fall and it was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was at the Ranger Stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was not the real passion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a pre-passion, a pre-gaming passion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they had you and some others, JP some others, stand at home plate and play baseball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hit, be pitched to and hit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be recall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you feel about how that went for you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think I ripped that last one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You did, you did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to know, I say this is the least athletic person you've ever met, Matt Chandler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not here to say like you should have put me up there coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I am married to a guy who played D1 baseball and I bring so far in reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: During COVID,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was losing his mind, like all of us being at home, and he had a radar gun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't even matter why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our son's a pitcher doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he was telling our two athletic children, I could still throw you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if I'm going to buy 50s or not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, there's not a day on this earth you could out throw us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we literally went down to the local field and everyone through, including our daughter, who came in last place,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing it was you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My husband.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get the play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be here something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad this doesn't end with him having Tommy John Surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that was our son who did have Tommy John Surgery the next year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I know, they didn't let me play because they're mean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But my husband came in last place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm thinking of you up there and you're trying to hit his pitching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a Rangers person or was it that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a perfect guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was him seeing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was just some random.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what the kids say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're horrible, pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all I could think of is, oh gosh, I hope his kids never see this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't know that your kids are mean, but mine are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're going to talk about it forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kids, the kids are cruel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My son will often bring up that I don't have a right front alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm saying can't be trusted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he'd bring him a brain surgery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He will bring up brain cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, or you only have three quarters of a brain dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, whoa, that feels, I can't say below the belt because we're talking, but that's a low blow song.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything you own is still mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: True, like so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would tread lightly or I'll make you give them back that car and phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: all of it, all of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just want you to know that I was feeling deeply for you, not because it was embarrassing any respect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was having issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody could really hit it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a comical moment, but I did have that COVID flashback of my husband thinking it out through my kids and then your kids were going to watch this and it was all going to go downhill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I won't compete against my children anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got my wins and I just retired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, hey, let's go do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know how it ends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No bad things happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I actually learned that from my mom who beat me arm wrestling when I was like a third grader And she's like this 70-year-old woman still talk crap like like don't make your arm wrestling you again And I was like I wish you would woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, what I know how it ends Go like kind of the cycle to that by my mom where I'm not I've got my W's and I'm I don't need any more
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got nothing to prove people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're fine now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk real quick about passion, the real passion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I saw you there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw you on stage there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and um, can we just have a moment to discuss the fact was it 45,000, 65,000, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have something like that 45,000.
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[SPEAKER_02]: students there worshiping the Lord with everything they've got.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Several of them were my kids and I was fortunate to get to be a part of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's hope for the next generation and you already knew that but thoughts on that just from watching those moments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I think what was fun about being at passion for me is all the data is there but it's a whole
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the boomers, there's more actors in church-zeers in church than anybody else right now that you've got all this data that's clear and hopeful, but then to step into the room with it where, you know, 45,000 kids are dialed in, worshiping their faces off, bowing before the
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[SPEAKER_01]: So good for my soul.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, I loved every second.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did I nearly go deaf with that rapper and Crowder?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I nearly went deaf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would do it all again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 1151 year old life hack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, well, there's that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just went back to the hotel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like 930, I can't hear any more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I mean, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's another thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a couple of college age children from our church, tell me, like they would be like, man, I love that crowd or song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They think he wrote those hymns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with that Tracy Chapman we got a fast car when and I guess the country guy re did it my kids are like how do you know that song I'm like how do you know that song so how do you know how do you know well I thought it was incredible and to the point of your new divo alive in a wake I was watching this generation again this is a different sampling size than that but still this moment of watching them in the hope and like you said there's the data but then there's the reality of seeing it
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking about that in the context of this new Devo alive and awake, and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: are we kind of asleep like I'm talking you in our generation and maybe a little younger like are we asleep at the wheel a little bit like I know that that generation does not buy into the inauthenticity that can be found in church at times that we've all seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that they want the real deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that they are passionate about what they're passionate and they don't care about orthodox in some of those things and and I look at this and I think wow are we kind of asleep at the wheel like you wrote a diva on this so talk to us a little bit about
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I really wasn't writing the divo for Gen Z per se.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're at the tip of the spear, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I had in mind is churches like the one I pastor, that are filled with people who they
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're good people, they go to church, they're doing the best they can morally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are a lot of pressures on them that keep them from fully surrendering to what the Lord might be doing in our day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There could be some cynicism that's crept in over time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some jadedness over all sorts of things that they've endured to get to this point in their journey with Christ And man, I just wanted to write something for them just to say hey, you don't want to watch this on YouTube
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[SPEAKER_01]: you want to be right in the middle of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If by any, any bit of grace, we can avail ourselves to God in this moment and say, in and around and through me, please, then we ought to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that means we have to wake up to some things that I think over time you go to sleep too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think in the digital age, it becomes even easier to numb out and to grow cynical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like a primer, a 30-day primer, just kind of like a cup of coffee for the soul, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To man wake up in this moment, like don't, let's not let this moment pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Little, let's try to embrace it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the people that are already embracing it, maybe the devo serves that, maybe it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not who I wrote it to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote it to the sleepy ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the kind of church going folk who maybe aren't as zealous and prayer aren't as hopeful and expectation have have found themselves a little bit jaded a little bit cynical, you know, torn and tired and maybe a little scared to ever say anything about the kingly reign of Christ for how might be received online or what they might be labeled as or what so that that was what was in my heart like I don't want us
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[SPEAKER_01]: to miss this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's coming and it looks like it is, it looks like we're at the beginning of something, then I want us to steward it well, but you've got to be awake to be in it to steward it well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if I could jossle you a little bit, remind you that the miraculous is possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remind you of God's healing grace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remind you of the mission of God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remind you that the arms of the Lord are not too short to save.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remind you that this has happened before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The goddess poured out his spirit in a unique way before in fact repeatedly throughout history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Draw your attention to the fact that almost every time in the US history there has been a moral upheaval.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there has been a corresponding outpouring of the Spirit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have a hard press to argue that we have not just come out of a massive moral upheaval.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in some ways that's still plain itself out, but the Wheaton, the tears they'll grow up together is, you know, Jesus taught in His parable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now that's a word.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny that you just said that you said I don't want you to miss it and listen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not here at all to talk about my book, but this is the title of my book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did I miss that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And literally you just kind of summed up what I wrote a whole book on is just I grew up in a Christian home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know truth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the Bible, I'm fortunate, I've read through the Bible many times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've gone to the Bible studies, I've joined all the things, I've done all the things, and I've slept through a lot of callings in my life, and I don't come from a place of shame, I don't come even really from a place of regret as much of being in my fifties and wanting to say, like, don't miss it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, life is short, it is brief, before you were born, the Lord had plans for your life that He is ordained over you, like, don't miss them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of to my next question I wanted to ask you, and I was thinking out this to my own life, the most awake I feel like I've ever been in my walk with the Lord is when I've been in the places that I know he called us to that if he didn't show up this all fails.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for us it was foster care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was one of those moments of like, Lord, if you don't show up, I don't know how we survive this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the hardest thing we've ever walked on every level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yet I know you call this into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never would have done it on my own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What, what does it look like to when you felt most awake in your walk with a Lord?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think there are kind of two categories of like, I think my alertness in the Lord, I think I've had in the last 32 years I think it's been I've had like moments of renewal that that kind of surprised me either I went to an event or the Lord showed up in a unique way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had this extended season of renewal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was sweet and everything felt like it was on fire in the best way, not the worst way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just, I had a greater awareness of this presence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The scripture seemed to be jumping off the page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that like ministry there was like the wind was in the sails and ministry and that that's been won and then you're right the other time I think the Lord honors faith not not by giving you the outcome you want but by being more present in the mystery and in the unknown and in the waiting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I think activates your faith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think, and I've said this for decades at the village, like you just should not be bored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should not be bored in your Christian faith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think you're not understanding what you're caught up in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're bored or your whole Christian life is about increasing your moralistic standing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you've missed the boat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to join God on mission, to push back darkness, to bring order to chaos, to be salt and light to the world, to embrace that with kind of great acts of faith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trusting that the Lord will come through here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's when you're probably most alive because the Lord honors that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm not guaranteed outcomes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that guy that says, man, you have enough faith then all your dreams are coming true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Christ will be with you and his presence will be enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be the treasure that you're actually receiving and that you realize in time was the thing you wanted and needed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you look back on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can see that in my life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those moments where I know the Lord could have fixed it in a second in an instant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have changed the whole scenario and he didn't and think going to see didn't because right like I got to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that desperate dependence on him and seeing that he is faithful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's typically not in the time frame I want, typically not how I wanted it to play out, but I do see these glimpses of faithfulness I didn't see before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, here's a thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What practice do you do regularly that makes you feel most alive or awake in your faith?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is like a practice?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And even if it's like reading the Bible, of course, well, within that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does it look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you a couple of questions that I try to really spin some silence and solitude answering once a quarter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What stirs my affections for Jesus?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What robs me of my affection?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what stirs my affection and then what robbs my affection?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love those two questions because they're not legalistic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not necessarily tied to normal spiritual disciplines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although they don't have a problem with those, they're all beautiful, time-tested.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I have found is that for how the Lord's wired me, there are these little things that when I add them to my life, they do something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and there are things that are morally neutral, they're not sinful, they're not ad or wrong, but if there's too much of it in my life, I get a little sleepy, they're like a pacifier, and I splank it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what I want to do is once a quarter takes stock, what am I noticing stirs of my affection for Jesus?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'll give you a great example that's maybe not on everybody else's list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, for all the technology around good cups of coffee now, I, I will still do it the slow way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wake up in the morning and I get out of kettle and I get out of measuring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I weigh the beans and I weigh the water and I start the water in the kettle and I grind the beans and then I put all that together in a French press and let it steep for four minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the efficiency side of me would love to get one of those where you just press a button and it's ready or set up the timer and it's ready when you wake up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's something about that every morning that like starts to make me slow of mind in the best way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: slows down my, okay, I'm up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's this stop gap between sitting down at the kitchen island where I sit when I get up in the morning and that first few moments of waking up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I walk in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have this filled with ice water on the counter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sipping it as I'm starting to measure beans and water and so there's something about that process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The quiet's my soul is probably the best way to put it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's on the list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to find that in the Bible anywhere, but for me in this season of life and it's been on my list for a long time.
18:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never moved away from making coffee that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: simply for it slows down my soul, which is so weird, but it's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all my list.
18:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Like on a robbs me of affection, I cannot follow sports and athletics too closely.
19:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm emotively affected by what a group of boys does with the ball, that that's not good for what I do and what God's call in my life, I preach on the weekends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't, you know, every time the Aggies lose a football game, come up a little bit pissed to preach at four o'clock, you know, or, you know, have Sunday ruined because that, like, I just, so I've got to be real careful with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not that wrong with sports there in Cribbo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a gift of God's grace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My kids have played them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, like, I love them.
19:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe too much.
19:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be a problem.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just have to watch how deep I go in it.
19:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that, again, morally neutral, not said, well, I'm not saying everybody should do this.
19:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying for me and how my heart's wired.
19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have to be careful there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't follow too closely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to watch my mind around it.
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, maybe some guys have to do other things.
20:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there are issues more lost or, you know, alcohol or some kind of, you know, I've got to, I'm human.
20:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to watch those things too.
20:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just undermine what a most after can be that.
20:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's yeah, I love that.
20:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And what a good exercise to go through, because I do think it would look different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But answering both those questions, probably looks different for every one of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:25
[SPEAKER_02]: You quote CS Lewis, and again, you know, the divo and you want it is alive in a way.
20:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you quote CS Lewis probably many times, but this one caught my eye, relying on God has to begin all over again every day, as if nothing has happened yet.
20:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, well, that's really profound because I can be tempted to rest on the fact that I kind of know the Bible or I'm in a Bible study or I've whatever I do podcast and I talked Christians.
20:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear a lot about God, but like, if you really were going to start over every day like nothing has happened yet, that would totally change how you approach God's word, right?
20:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's why I loved the quote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I put it in there because I am writing in a sense to church people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not writing to the unbeliever in a way can alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm writing to the believer to wake back up because that was Paul's concern for the church at Ephesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like you're falling asleep and unfortunately we read in Revelation 2 they full on fell asleep another and so the lamp stand was clearly removed and so Paul's like like pleading with them to wake up and I loved the looses don't care what you know start over don't care that you won yesterday went again today don't care that yesterday you pressed in press and again today it's this idea of kind of commitment today to press in to the goodness of Christ
21:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
21:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I struggle with achievement issues like always have like I just love to achieve which I I'm sure that's not far from you as well and I remember and I've mentioned this several times before but I'll never forget when I interviewed Max Locado in the last couple years and I've interviewed him a lot of times, but one time I asked him like what's your morning devotional time look like and he's like you know it's funny not necessarily when I'm prepping for a sermon that's different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when I'm just spending time in God's word, I try to only read one verse a day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that may have been just a period of time for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's like, I find that if I can dig in just a little bit, it goes so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was so profound because of someone that's kind of in the hall of faith, if you will, of today's culture, someone who does life really well and knows the Lord well and writes well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we get caught up in this that there's a certain way to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a certain, you have to read a certain number of chapters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you have to do this or that or all the things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that he said, I just try to read a verse a day and really dig into that one spot.
22:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm going to ask you kind of a similar question.
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're all different.
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, what does it look like?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not when you're prepping for Sermon or to speak to a group.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're just going to sit down with God's word after you make that two-hour cup of coffee that I'm hearing about, like, what's that going to look like?
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to stop that along that promise, but it takes longer than I like most foreigners.
23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, man, I'm a, I have done kind of Bible in a year in various ways, sometimes chronologically, sometimes straight through, um, and, and so I'm up early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I prefer the mornings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not a night person, probably used to be kids just totally stole that from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I'm like a, if I can be embed at 930, I am super happy.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm up at 11, I'm super not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, give me the quiet of the morning, and then I sit in the same seat, Bible, journal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't usually do devotional, somewhat ironic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I'm not against them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just haven't done them in years.
23:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want, and then men I'm reading a couple of chapters, and then I'm doing what Max is describing what I'm trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is what I'm doing in that moment.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't informational.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to content from the Lord.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what I want to do is, you know, stay in that state of slowness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and ask the Lord to reveal Himself to me in these three or four chapters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Show me something of your character, something of your beauty, something you have for me this morning, and then I'm going to read slow, and then when something jumps out to me on the Holy Spirit highlight something, or show to you, I'm underlining that in the Bible, and I'm writing that verse in my journal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then under that my thoughts on you know whatever it is.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what I'm doing in the morning and then I've got you know a prayer journal that I'm hopping in that prayer journal and then from there starting the rest of my rule of life throughout the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah okay.
24:47
[SPEAKER_02]: That's helpful.
24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just good to see practically how people are doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
24:52
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, and then this is, I think this may have been even in your media kit, one of the questions.
24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tweaking it a little bit.
24:57
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought it was really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If every person that's listening to this podcast and hopefully every person buys a live in a way, if they would just make one spiritual shift, what would you want that to be?
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is probably if it's too broad then ask me to shrink it.
25:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if the people listening to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: have any sense of distance between them and the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they would just turn back towards and shrink the space between.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so a lot of times this can look like shame, this can look like sin in their lives, this can look like a delayed obedience, this can look like falling out of certain habits that replenish the soul, like what would it look like for you, listening to this right now watching this right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: to close the distance between you and the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it could be simply something as simple as that prayer that you don't want this distance anymore and you seek forgiveness and communion with the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can go from there because you, I think you know where you've created the distance.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you can repent and confess, you can go get back into the scriptures, you can wake up a little bit earlier, you can be more serious about putting sin to death, you can you you're going to know what those things are so I'd rather keep it broad and just go close the distance if there's distance you've made it and so what does it look like to turn and close the distance.
26:29
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and encouragement to that if you recognize there's distance, that's half the battle, right?
26:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A round of applause for you for acknowledging there's a distance, and that this isn't right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I got to work on this.
26:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's kind of the battle, too.
26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's been so many decades, but maybe of my life where I've just kind of let it go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Status quo, you know, I mean, I know I'm saved, and you know, but to really lean in and say, hey, this isn't what I wanted to be.
26:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny, the other night, I told you we had Disney recently,
26:58
[SPEAKER_02]: We are having a struggle with my youngest.
27:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, we are exhausted and we laid down in the hotel room and bed and everyone fell asleep instantly.
27:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just was like, talking to the Lord, I was like, you know, if you're my comforter and you're my good shepherd and you're for me and with me it doesn't feel like it right now.
27:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't feel like you're on my team right now on this and I feel like I'm walking this alone and I just had this conversation with the Lord and I was kind of mad about it.
27:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, listen, this is a hard journey and I need you if,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need you to hold up your end of the deal and I think the Lord can handle those conversations and I would rather be honest than mad and so and then I fell asleep and I will say the next day it was a smoother day and I'm thankful for that but more than that it was like that sense of like I felt like the Lord was just like we're good like thanks you know like thanks for reaching out and let's work on this and scripture kind of flooded my mind the next day that I hadn't thought about
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[SPEAKER_02]: Healing about just acknowledging like there's a gap here and it's probably me, but I'm kind of mad and I just would encourage you if you're listening to this and you're like, you know, I'm disappointed in God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have been, I feel like he's waited too long and something to get us.
28:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't heal someone or he didn't help me with this sin struggle or my marriage is tough.
28:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I guess for that person, any thoughts for them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, well done, Cynthia.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to take that to the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't want you to even be nervous about taking it to the Lord.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You're actually like if you think like David says, how long the Lord will you forsake me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like will you forsake me forever?
28:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Like can you imagine somebody praying like that in your home group?
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremiah said, you have deceived me, and I was deceived.
28:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, God comes to Jeremiah, you go where I tell you to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You say what I tell you to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you the power to build up nations and destroy them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jeremiah signs on the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then every time he does, what the Lord tells him to do, every time he says what the Lord wants him to say, he kind of gets beat up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, he gets beat like the close beat off of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's naked and bloody and a ditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says to the Lord, like, you lied to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You deceived me and I was deceived and the Hebrew word there is patah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost means like you seduced me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you knew I would say no to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why you felt you took advantage of me like a weak-willed woman.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, can you imagine anyone in your home group or to a class plan like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but they're all over the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like most watch Moses contend for the people of Israel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like most like, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are your people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was your idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You brought us out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should, you're going, you know?
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I wish people would know that confession is not always just telling God the bad things you've done.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly it's that biblically speaking, but it's also just telling God the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And isn't that more of a sign of intimacy than pretending your cool with God when you're disappointed and frustrated?
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's all sorts of space for you to go to the Lord and go,
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[SPEAKER_01]: but I feel betrayed, I feel abandoned, I feel alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know from Sunday school that I'm not, but man, I am out of, I'm running on fumes here.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And then invite the Holy Spirit to minister to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: love the, love the, and you know what, here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I was leaving, if I was, if I was comfortable with just a comfortable life, and we just did the easy things and didn't step into some of the harder callings, I probably wouldn't have those moments.
30:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But without those moments, I wouldn't have the faith that I have and the testimony I have.
30:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it all goes hand in hand, right?
30:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you want to be comfortable and safe, then maybe you spare yourself of some of those moments, probably not life is hard, but you may spare yourself of some of them,
30:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not seeing that side of God where you lay him bed in Disney and lay it night and say, what is actually happening here and how we're going to rectify this and just see him kind of unfold it a little bit at a time.
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to call yourself joy.
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're going to call yourself joy.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Not happiness.
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a different concept.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like deep-seated confidence that God is for you not against you.
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't want to live the kind of adventurous life of faith, you're going to one, you're going to be softer.
31:07
[SPEAKER_01]: then you're going to want to be in a broken and fallen world, you want to be resilient, and unfortunately the only way to build resilience is pain, and to endure it, and to cling to Jesus through it, which is the problem, like this is what David's writing about in the 23rd Psalm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to fear any evil for thou art with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like what you're there, you've not abandoned me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm cleaning that promise and your rod and your staff, they're going to handle the business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my role here is to clean to you, hold fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to see me through this.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's going to create a depth of person in you that I think almost everybody's hungry to become, but the price, the price is paid.
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no way around it.
31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the common language, suffering's the common language of all humanity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's Lewis too, that's not me.
32:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not calling you for now, it's fine.
32:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, somebody else, somebody else Chad Gbt or whatever.
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine, everyone.
32:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.
32:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a good word.
32:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's wrap up with us.
32:11
[SPEAKER_02]: How many years have you been married?
32:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been married 27 years now.
32:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, I'm such a fan of your wife, too.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, listen, she is unreal.
32:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she really is.
32:22
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was on here in the fall, I think, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she didn't talk bad about you one time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was lovely.
32:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was telling me about the new coffee shop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's opening up with a church.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not affiliated with a church.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole separate deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lord Gabor, the vision for about four or five years ago, our neighbor across the street, deeply loves the Lord.
32:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Lauren needs somebody with tenacity.
32:51
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs a detail oriented.
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: She's great in the ID loop.
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: If you know widget stuff, like super great in wonder and discerning and but real low T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, which would mean something else for a man, but for her.
33:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I literally was like, what happened?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I were talking out, but, low to hell.
33:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So not very detailed oriented, not but super big vision, hospitality, beauty, and so Sarah, who lives across street from us, helped run the refugee ministry at the village church before the Trump administration killed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's neither, we'll still continue to love the least of these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like they started dreaming about this thing and then Lauren had a partner in it who had the skills and gifts and grit that she doesn't have where she has kind of the skills that maybe Sarah doesn't have and those two women have taken off and it's just been a beautiful place.
33:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was so excited she's told me a little bit off off air about it and so I'm excited for her and now that it's out and all the things.
33:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's ironic that you're your old school coughing at your house and your wife now has a coffee shop, but hey, I think it takes all types.
33:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it, Matt.
33:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I was listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She can she did buries to train.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she knows how to do work the machine right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and she could come in the house and set fire on.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, well, I've been married 25 years and we just, I guess today, 25 years, we dated seven years because we're in law school together, but it's funny, so maybe call it nostalgia, but this is what I wanted to wrap up with.
34:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking, you and I could both share, what would we tell young married Matt, what would I tell young married Cynthia?
34:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna go first because I thought the question and I already know and I'm gonna give you a second, although you probably don't need it.
34:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think, as I think about 25 years in a marriage, I think I would tell myself, you will find what you're looking for in marriage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if my narrative is one of negativity and he doesn't care enough, or he does this, or he's about to, I mean, I can find examples that every day, as can he for me.
34:50
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I choose to find the God and him, I choose to find
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[SPEAKER_02]: the positive and, and I switch that little pivot that narrative a little bit, I find that too, and I think that's something that maybe no one really told me and how important it is to be looking for the positive and this man and our marriage and how God created him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: despite the fact that they're shortcomings in both of us all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, I was just thinking of that yesterday and thought, you know what, I'm gonna ask Matt Chandler that.
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: What would he tell a young married Matt Chandler as he is just getting there?
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the thing that young Matt missed that if I could go back and father him a little bit is because of where I was coming from in life at that time, you know, broken home.
35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, broken in ways, not divorced, but train wrecky.
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: For me,
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Lauren was going to be a kind of savior.
35:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wasn't really seeing her as a partner in ministry and life in a picture of God's covenant love and grace.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have that language and had that framework for me.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Here was the woman that was going to quiet my inner turmoil.
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a lot of weight to put on a woman.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: and sort of crushing weight to put on a woman.
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if I could pull a little mad aside and father on a little bit, I would try to kind of help him understand the gift of her gifts and abilities, her prophetic voice, her wisdom, her discernment, those things that she has and spades, greater than I do.
36:20
[SPEAKER_01]: She's got really pronounced gifts that fit me perfectly, like to
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[SPEAKER_01]: to notice a marvel at Christ in her in a way that both we're seeing together the covenant faithfulness of Christ in our own shortcomings towards each other and then the partnership that God's given us where really, you know, you don't know what you're marrying when you get married.
36:50
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea who that person is.
36:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care how long you dated.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, no.
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I certainly didn't know what I was getting and I certainly got more than I deserved.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, man, I, it'll make me tear up and hurt my heart now to think what I put her through that first seven years, like with some expectations that she just could never, could never fill.
37:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I think six of me from that, and by the way, they talk a lot, they have a podcast, well, you know, talking about recently, talking about the first seven years now, are they work?
37:20
[SPEAKER_02]: But I noticed one thing of what you're saying is how her gift's compliment years, and how you can recognize that.
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I spent a lot of years trying to get him to be more like me, because I was doing it right.
37:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, of course I was not.
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I'm extraverted.
37:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wish you were a little more extroverted.
37:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank goodness he's not as extroverted as I am, right?
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that really a room?
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[SPEAKER_02]: oh my gosh totally so I love that um okay so we're gonna end with this alive in a wake it's the Devo it's 30 days I believe right 30 days yeah 30 days it's available it's out it's time to grab that everyone and um and I've I've read two thirds of it and it's really really great and I will finish it so y'all grab that it's available on all the spots where you would buy a book you also have another book is it out yet?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No it comes out April 28 it's a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, are we allowed to say the name of it or not yet?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, it's called becoming like Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an honest book on sanctification.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, and so we're going to link that to and I'm guessing there's like pre-order.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we just started pre-sales that just became a baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if this audience knows anything, they know pre-sales matter because I've a book coming out in a week and we talk a lot about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So y'all grab both of those and then in the mat, obviously we know your village church is best place to find you social.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you active on social you are on Instagram?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not on X or the Tik Tok.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel too old to get on Tik Tok and just feels feels wrong to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My kids don't want to accidentally run across me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Tik Tok.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll be therapy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're almost done out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, thanks for thanks for doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So good to see you again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You, two friends, talk to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we're running into each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, thanks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's always so much fun to have Matt Chan on the podcast, such a privilege, and I know you enjoyed listening to him as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have linked his new book and the one that's coming out in a few months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is all linked to podcast notes, and then again, if I can ask one more time, if you'd please consider leaving your review for how I missed that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wherever you purchase the book, Amazon or Bards Noble or wherever you've got it, that would be amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys, thanks for being a part of the mesmerized family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have so many good shows coming up, and so yeah, you're the very best.