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Speaker 3: want to miss it. For the meantime, though, we're gonna
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Speaker 3: tell you why Bruce Pearl is ridiculous and why Miami
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Speaker 3: of Ohio should be in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. It's
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Speaker 3: been a conversation that's carried over from this past weekend
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Speaker 3: when Bruce Pearl spoke as a television analyst on the
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Speaker 3: case for Miami of Ohio to not be in the
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Speaker 3: NC DOUBLEA Tournament despite the RedHawks having an unblemished mark
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Speaker 3: so far in college basketball. These were the comments that
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Speaker 3: set fire in the college basketball world over the past weekend.
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Speaker 5: Miami or howe, here's the deal.
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Speaker 6: Are we gonna select the sixty eight most deserving teams
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Speaker 6: or are we gonna select the sixty eight best teams? If
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Speaker 6: we're selecting the sixty eight best teams, then Mina Moohowe
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Speaker 6: is gonna have to win their tournament to qualify as
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Speaker 6: a champion, because as in at large, they are not
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Speaker 6: one of the best teams in the country, and that's
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Speaker 6: gonna be a difficult choice for the committee to make.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you've got to play your way in. Are
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Speaker 6: you gonna lose your way out. It's just that simple
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Speaker 6: with all these teams. For the mid majors and low majors,
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Speaker 6: it's all about the tournament because they recognize the own
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Speaker 6: there's only going to be a one bid league for
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Speaker 6: the rest of the league's it's all about the grind
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Speaker 6: correct of a regular season championship, and I think that's
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Speaker 6: what matters most.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a lot there, and I want to
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Speaker 3: preface this before responding to what Bruce Pearl was saying.
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Speaker 3: I love it when guys are honest when they're not
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Speaker 3: giving coach speak as being an analyst. But I give
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Speaker 3: kudos to everyone who follows college basketball that saw right
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Speaker 3: through the point that Bruce Pearl was making. And if
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Speaker 3: you don't believe me, and if you don't believe the
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Speaker 3: thousands that saw through the point that Bruce Pearl was making.
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Speaker 3: He's also the former coach at Auburn, where we know
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Speaker 3: that his son is now the head coach. Just take
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Speaker 3: a guess. Iowa, Sam Joe Lunardi. He's the one that
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Speaker 3: made the bracketology phrase popular. Joe Lunardi is mister bracketology.
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of different other bracket predictors in
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Speaker 3: college basketball now. It is a great exercise that I'd love.
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Speaker 3: I read all of them, just like I read mock drafts.
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Speaker 3: But take one guess at what team is the first
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Speaker 3: one on the outside looking in of the NC DOUBLEA
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Speaker 3: Tournament in the latest bracket sent out by Joe Lunardi,
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Speaker 3: And it is not the Miami of Ohio RedHawks. The
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Speaker 3: one team that would be on the outside looking in
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Speaker 3: that Bruce Pearl would say, this is why Miami does
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Speaker 3: not deserve to be in the tournament. Who would that
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Speaker 3: team be?
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Speaker 7: My guess is Auburn.
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Speaker 8: That is correct, Auburn first one, first four out. Not
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Speaker 8: only are the first four out, they're the first one out.
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Speaker 8: They would be the team that is on the outside
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Speaker 8: looking in because right now their resume would not match
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Speaker 8: up with the rest of college basketball. I'm gonna tell
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Speaker 8: you something, Bruce Pearl's going to be watching the games
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Speaker 8: no matter what happens in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. There
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Speaker 8: is one fan that is going to turn into an
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Speaker 8: nc DOUBLEA tournament game that isn't already an Auburn fan
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Speaker 8: that is going to tune in to watch Auburn play
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Speaker 8: if they were to get in the tournament does not happen.
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Speaker 8: Miami of Ohio is the story. And you can rip
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Speaker 8: apart what Miami of Ohio has done this season, but
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Speaker 8: to me to have a team now, if they get
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Speaker 8: into the nc doublea tournament unbeaten, it means they win
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Speaker 8: their conference tournament, which Bruce Pearl kind of laid out.
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Speaker 8: But if they end up taking a loss along the way,
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Speaker 8: they are still going to be the team to prove it.
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Speaker 8: And never in the history of the NCUBA Tournament as
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Speaker 8: a team won twenty eight or more games have been
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Speaker 8: left out of the dance. Miami of Ohio right now
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Speaker 8: is twenty nine to zero, and while half of their
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Speaker 8: wins may come against Quad four teams, they are a story.
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Speaker 8: They do not have the opportunity within their conference to
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Speaker 8: get the sort of strength of schedule that an Auburn
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Speaker 8: would be able to do in the SEC or any
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Speaker 8: other school that is sitting there on the bubble, whether
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Speaker 8: you're in the Big Ten or the Big twelve. Miami
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Speaker 8: of Ohio would become the story. And there's this conversation
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Speaker 8: that also is swirling around college basketball at this point,
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Speaker 8: and it's is this the last time we are going
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Speaker 8: to see sixty eight schools in the NCAA Tournament. Probably,
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Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you it's probably the last time. The
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Speaker 8: discussion is going to happen after the NCAA Tournament where
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Speaker 8: the field will be expanded to seventy two or seventy
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Speaker 8: six teams. But you're not gonna hear a complaint from
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Speaker 8: me about the expansion of the tournament because I don't
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Speaker 8: think it affects what matters most, And what matters most
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Speaker 8: to us is the brackets. The brackets that we get
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Speaker 8: to fill out on Thursday and Friday. The teams that
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Speaker 8: will be put into the NCUBA Tournament when you expand
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Speaker 8: to seventy two and seventy six are not Miami of Ohio.
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Speaker 8: There was one voice that says we don't need expansion
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Speaker 8: right now. It is a very powerful voice in college basketball.
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Speaker 8: It is the one of coach Mike Krzyzewski, who was
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Speaker 8: on the field of sixty eight after dark and said
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Speaker 8: this about the possible expansion of the NCAA tournament.
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Speaker 9: There are less teams capable right now than ever before,
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Speaker 9: and there are many have nots, and it's not their fault.
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Speaker 9: And I don't think you mess with something that has gold.
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Speaker 9: It's gold. I think the thing you should mess with
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Speaker 9: is getting a leadership group and having them study and
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Speaker 9: see what happens with that group. You know it's not
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Speaker 9: just one person, but actually they should run it like
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Speaker 9: the NBA and have a staff and all that thing,
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Speaker 9: would run it like a business. But I wouldn't mess
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Speaker 9: with gold right now, and dance DOAA tournament is certainly that.
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Speaker 3: His first comment is the one that's most striking to me,
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Speaker 3: and I open it up to you guys, Jason Stewart Iowa,
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Speaker 3: Sam and Isaac longcron his point of the sixty ninth team,
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Speaker 3: and it's not the sixty ninth best team in college
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Speaker 3: basketball because there are at large bids. We're talking about
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Speaker 3: the thirty fifth fortieth team in college Basketball's not worthy
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Speaker 3: of winning an NCAA tournament and is not going to
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Speaker 3: win an NCUBAA tournament.
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Speaker 4: So why expand it?
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Speaker 3: And I completely agree with coach k But the expansion
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Speaker 3: of the NCAA tournament is four more money and four
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Speaker 3: more games in for the NCAA Tournament. It's also usually
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Speaker 3: for coaches who want to keep their jobs so when
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Speaker 3: they're on the bubble, like teams last year, Ohio State, Indiana,
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Speaker 3: West Virginia, all teams that were left out of the
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Speaker 3: NCAA Tournament. They were the first four teams, three of
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Speaker 3: the first four teams. The other was Boise State from
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Speaker 3: the Mountain West Conference. It allows those coaches to say,
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Speaker 3: we made it to the NCAA Tournament in an expanded format.
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Speaker 3: If you want to go to the next four, that's
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Speaker 3: fine to expand it to seventy six. But the expansion
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Speaker 3: of the NCAA Tournament is not for the schools like
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Speaker 3: Miami of Ohio, and that's why it's that much more
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Speaker 3: important that that school gets into the tournament, because that
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Speaker 3: school is going to be a story. Nobody cared unless
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Speaker 3: you're a who's your fan? If Indiana got in last year.
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Speaker 3: Nobody cared if West Virginia got in unless you were
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Speaker 3: a Mountaineer fan. Buckeye fans didn't even care. I for
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Speaker 3: Ohio State really got in. It was maybe Jake Deebler
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Speaker 3: and the twelve guys that were on the team the
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Speaker 3: decline to vote to or had a vote to decline
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Speaker 3: a spot in any other postseason tournament, it's the stories
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Speaker 3: of those schools. So when Miami of Ohio comes in
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Speaker 3: with a mark and if it is thirty one to
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Speaker 3: one because they lose in the conference tournament, you are
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Speaker 3: going to care about what Miami of Ohio does that
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Speaker 3: is good for the NC Double A tournament. No one
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Speaker 3: is going to care what Auburn does in the NC
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Speaker 3: Double A tournament. And when we talk about Cinderellas and
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Speaker 3: where Cinderellas are, and I feel that we're moving away
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Speaker 3: from Cinderella's with nil, I think there's a very good
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Speaker 3: chance we could have three number one seeds make the
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Speaker 3: final four this year, maybe even do what happened last year,
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Speaker 3: which was the second time only where we've had four
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Speaker 3: number one seeds make it to the final four. We
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Speaker 3: had it in two thousand and eight, we had it
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Speaker 3: last year. But you're seeing some dominant teams in college basketball,
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Speaker 3: so Cinderella is starting to be pushed away. Cinderella is
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Speaker 3: not going to be let in with the expansion, So
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Speaker 3: why do we want to push them out? Even with
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Speaker 3: half of their record being quad four wins to be
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Speaker 3: able to win every single game. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: there are a lot of close ones. There's a skill
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Speaker 3: to that, and that's why Miami of Ohio needs to
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Speaker 3: be in the NCUBLEA Tournament.
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Speaker 4: So Bruce Pearl.
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Speaker 3: Had his platform. I love what he says because he
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Speaker 3: felt it with his He said it with his chest,
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Speaker 3: and he said it with his heart. But the problem
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Speaker 3: is his heart was getting in the way because of
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Speaker 3: his son being the head coach at Auburn. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 3: if I asked Sam, if asked Jason, would you rather
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Speaker 3: see Auburn or Miami of Ohio in the NCAA Tournament,
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Speaker 3: anybody I Miami, Yes, yes, yes, Jason, Yeah, I'd rather
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Speaker 3: see the team that I know the least about.
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Speaker 4: Yeah in Isaac.
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Speaker 10: From Miami, Ohio, Rod Harper. I would like to add
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Speaker 10: just one thing. I would have liked mister Pearl to
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Speaker 10: at least have given some reasons and inside supporting his
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Speaker 10: opinion about Miami of Ohio, because just a cursory glance
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Speaker 10: will tell you that they lead the entire nation in
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Speaker 10: field goal shooting at fifty three percent. In terms of
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Speaker 10: total offense in the nation, they are second in the nation.
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Speaker 10: But then you know, you break down their schedule. I mean,
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Speaker 10: they really haven't played any impressive non conference they've.
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Speaker 3: Played, They've played no one. They really have played no one.
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Speaker 3: But that's not the point to me. And I think
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Speaker 3: that there are other mid majors and lower majors that
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Speaker 3: may take offense to what Miami of Ohio has done,
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Speaker 3: But there is something to be said about running the
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Speaker 3: table in your conference. Akrons fifteen to one, they're knocking
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Speaker 3: on the twenty four and five. Akron may say, well,
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Speaker 3: we have just as much of a chance to get
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Speaker 3: and as they do. They're gonna be other gripes, but
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Speaker 3: no one here is talking about Akron right now. Like
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Speaker 3: Miami of Ohio has also carried this burden of being
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Speaker 3: undefeated and been putting the spotlight over the last month
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Speaker 3: and have been able to survive in a lot of
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Speaker 3: close games and be able to carry that burden. There
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Speaker 3: is something with that I don't want to always rely on,
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Speaker 3: like this is a TV show, but this is what
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Speaker 3: people want to see, and it's different if it's the
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Speaker 3: other way around, and putting a power four in over
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Speaker 3: a group of four, or or a mid major or
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Speaker 3: a low major It's a completely different scenario. And so
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Speaker 3: for what Miami of Ohio represents everything that we love
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Speaker 3: about the NCAA Tournament, I think they have to be
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Speaker 3: in even if they get a blemish between now in
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Speaker 3: selection Sunday.
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Speaker 10: And Dan I will say this, you know, even taking
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Speaker 10: into consideration the lack of comparable strength of schedule with
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Speaker 10: power conferences. Having a thirteen and oh road record against
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Speaker 10: any Division one schedule, I mean that is impressive, no
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Speaker 10: matter who your competition is at the D one level
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Speaker 10: to go thirteen and oh on the road as a
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Speaker 10: college basketball team. So I would be fascinated to see
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Speaker 10: how they would match up. And I'm curious, is there
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Speaker 10: any comparable story of one of these mid majors who
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Speaker 10: got accepted into the NCAA Tournament as an at large
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Speaker 10: bid that has happened in the past, Because if Miami
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Speaker 10: gets in, say as an at large bid, and then
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Speaker 10: they get blown out by some random at large team
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Speaker 10: from a power conference, maybe we have our answer.
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Speaker 3: I will say this. I think that there are times
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Speaker 3: and over the last couple of years, there was a
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Speaker 3: push for the Mountain West, and the Mountain West unfortunately
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Speaker 3: did not live up to their end. Of the bargain
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Speaker 3: in terms of winning actual games in the NCAA tournament.
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Speaker 3: But you would have five Mountain West Conference teams because
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Speaker 3: they're all beating up on each other at that point
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Speaker 3: in one game. Doesn't necessarily do it. But if they
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Speaker 3: get beaten, that's something for the committee then to consider
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Speaker 3: the next time around. If they lose by twenty, but
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Speaker 3: if they would go in to play within a two
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Speaker 3: point game or a four four point game, you absolutely
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Speaker 3: prove you're you're worth in the tournament. Jason Stewart on
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Speaker 3: coach k what.
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Speaker 11: He said about the bracket being pristine, how it's been
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Speaker 11: this like sixty four forever. I know the sixty eight
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Speaker 11: that I don't really even think about. I care about
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Speaker 11: like margin accounting, and I care about making it as
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Speaker 11: easy for her as possible to fill out her bracket.
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Speaker 11: I don't want to just add teams to add teams.
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Speaker 11: They'll also like pull on your heartstrings and be like, well,
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Speaker 11: more kids will be able to feel what it's like
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Speaker 11: to be in the tournament. Well, do you really want
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Speaker 11: to be a part of a more water down tournament?
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Speaker 11: Is that going to mean a lot more to you
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Speaker 11: than margin accounting being able to easily fill out her
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Speaker 11: bracket is sixty four.
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Speaker 4: My answer is no, I was Sam, and I'm gonna
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Speaker 4: respond after.
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Speaker 7: I think that the way the NCAA tournament and the
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Speaker 7: bracket is set up is, of course, the national champion
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Speaker 7: takes home, you know, the flowers and the trophy. But
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Speaker 7: we look at this tournament like how far you got
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Speaker 7: in the tournament. It's maybe Miami of Ohio wins a
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Speaker 7: game and they look at that and they're like, we
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Speaker 7: had one loss, but we also won a game. The
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Speaker 7: nca tournament it's not always about the champ. It is
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Speaker 7: about the champion ultimately. But we remember the NCAA tournament
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Speaker 7: by oh, your Sweet sixteen appearance, your earlit eight appearance,
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Speaker 7: going far in the tournament. And basically the Mac, you
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Speaker 7: know mind Evil High hasn't played anybody, and the MAC
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Speaker 7: has a perception issue working against them because they haven't
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Speaker 7: made They haven't made a Sweet sixteen since twenty twelve
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Speaker 7: when it was John Gross is currently the coach at Akron.
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Speaker 7: He got there with Ohio and then before that, the
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Speaker 7: Elite eight was I think Kent State in two thousand
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Speaker 7: and four. So the MAC is not a great NCAA
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Speaker 7: tournament team. But you know they you got to reward
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Speaker 7: the work, you got to reward the winning, and so
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Speaker 7: I'm in. I've always been in favor of like letting
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Speaker 7: more teams in, but the MAC is not like a
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Speaker 7: team that has a good pre se a pre conference
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Speaker 7: in non conference resume in terms of like doing a
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Speaker 7: lot of work for their reputation.
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Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, people feel that Auburn is
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Speaker 3: getting slider in the Miami of Ohio doesn't play anyone.
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Speaker 3: Auburn has an opportunity to improve their resume every single
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Speaker 3: game that they play in the SEC. Miami of Ohio
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Speaker 3: has not gained anything from their wins. They have been
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Speaker 3: in a lose lose situation essentially throughout this conference season.
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Speaker 3: So you can say that that strength of schedule, but
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Speaker 3: I also look at it as opportunity and the point
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Speaker 3: that Jason talks about making sure that margin Accounting can
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Speaker 3: fill out her bracket, none of this is going to
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Speaker 3: affect it. And by the way, Margin a County probably
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Speaker 3: gonna put Miami of Ohio and the Sweet sixteen because
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Speaker 3: she's actually heard about people talking about them. Right now,
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Speaker 3: I'll leave you Isaac with the final point.
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Speaker 4: So Jason said margin accounting. At first, like, I thought.
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Speaker 5: It was like a numbers that's a financial chan margin accounting.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I thought it was. And then I
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Speaker 3: realized he was calling calling her marge.
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Speaker 10: Feel free to disagree with me on this even though
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Speaker 10: I'm right, But it seems to me that in say,
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Speaker 10: the last five to ten years, I, as a sports fan,
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Speaker 10: have felt that the opening weekend and the second weekend
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Speaker 10: of the NCAA tournament has been more memorable than the
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Speaker 10: final four itself. That's just my opinion over the last
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Speaker 10: five to ten years. How do you guys feel?
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Speaker 4: I agree one hundred and ten percent. A lot of
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Speaker 4: stimulation that for I think for sure.
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Speaker 3: I actually think the Monday of the championship game is
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Speaker 3: usually a letdown unless it's an amazing game. More people
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Speaker 3: will say that the final four Saturday is even better
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Speaker 3: than the national Championship game, but nothing beats the Thursday
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Speaker 3: and Friday. By the way, the expanding of the tournament
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Speaker 3: will not change your Thursday and Friday. It's just it's
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Speaker 3: not going to But don't get it twisted that the
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Speaker 3: expansion of the tournament is going to let a team
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Speaker 3: in like Miami of Ohio. No, it's going to be
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Speaker 3: letting in all the teams that are on the bubble
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Speaker 3: from the Power four conferences, like the Auburn is the
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Speaker 3: first one looking in, like a Virginia Tech, like a
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Speaker 3: USC like a cal like in West Virginia, like those schools.
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Speaker 3: Those are the schools that are going to be getting in,
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Speaker 3: not your low to mid majors, all right. It is
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Speaker 13: Man, it's one of those things. Just as a little kid.
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Speaker 12: You heard all of it, and I don't really care,
17:38
Speaker 12: and nobody in my family gets that like Italian tough
17:42
Speaker 12: about it.
17:42
Speaker 13: So I don't know story Ellie.
17:43
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, but it's your last name. Listen, Okay, my
17:47
Speaker 1: last name was Wiener.
17:48
Speaker 4: I heard all of it.
17:49
Speaker 14: Okay, you didn't hear anything.
17:51
Speaker 4: Just how do you pronounce your last name?
17:53
Speaker 13: Call me Jake Wiener. I don't know. I'm good with
17:55
Speaker 13: I'm good with all of.
17:56
Speaker 4: It, all right.
17:57
Speaker 1: Jake Wiener is with us here, Steve Gotson company Jake.
18:03
Speaker 1: Before we get to I know, we want to discuss
18:05
Speaker 1: some baseball, but I'm wondering just more of a macro
18:08
Speaker 1: thing here with the game. Are you in favor of
18:10
Speaker 1: someone who loves baseball? Would you want to see a.
18:13
Speaker 14: Salary cap installed in Major League baseball, So.
18:16
Speaker 13: I do not.
18:17
Speaker 12: I originally did when when we first got into this,
18:21
Speaker 12: as you know, we kind of got thrown into the
18:23
Speaker 12: industry by accident a little bit.
18:25
Speaker 13: Because I love the beauty of sports.
18:27
Speaker 12: I love you know that the bottom part of baseball
18:31
Speaker 12: is a problem, and I believe in competition and a
18:34
Speaker 12: fair playing field. But a salary camp isn't the answer
18:38
Speaker 12: to that, Like that's other sports have that, and we
18:41
Speaker 12: see teams that still struggle year in year out with
18:43
Speaker 12: it that it's how you run your organization. And as
18:47
Speaker 12: we got close to the players, I guess this is
18:49
Speaker 12: the part that I don't know if I've been too
18:51
Speaker 12: blinded by it.
18:52
Speaker 13: Players will never accept a salary cap.
18:54
Speaker 12: And ever when I saw the Otani contract and the
18:57
Speaker 12: way players have talked about it, like that's why, so
19:01
Speaker 12: they they will never and there's not there really isn't
19:04
Speaker 12: a need to except kind of we just see it
19:07
Speaker 12: in the other sports and like, oh, that's what they do,
19:09
Speaker 12: but that doesn't mean it works.
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Speaker 13: So no, I am not.
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Speaker 1: Is there a small part of you that wonders if
19:15
Speaker 1: it was capped, if the Dodgers would be this good?
19:19
Speaker 13: Yeah?
19:20
Speaker 14: Right of course, yes.
19:21
Speaker 12: Come on, man, it's no you know, I know we're
19:24
Speaker 12: gonna get into a little bit of recent Yankee nostalgia,
19:27
Speaker 12: but like the way that people talk about the Dodgers
19:31
Speaker 12: are kind of the Yankees teams I grew up with that.
19:33
Speaker 12: I don't send a lot of hate towards the Dodgers there.
19:36
Speaker 12: They're One advantage that I still don't know how I
19:39
Speaker 12: feel about is if every good Asian player wants to
19:43
Speaker 12: sign there instead of somewhere else, that's kind of tough
19:46
Speaker 12: because by the way, they won the last WBC Japan did,
19:50
Speaker 12: so that is the one advantage. Otherwise they can do whatever,
19:53
Speaker 12: like it was called the Coen Tax. The Yankees used
19:57
Speaker 12: to be that team. So I don't get as bob
20:00
Speaker 12: as everyone else. And then my jab to the Dodgers
20:02
Speaker 12: on the way out. If IKF gets a secondary lead,
20:05
Speaker 12: they don't win the last World Series.
20:06
Speaker 14: So nice Jet, well done.
20:09
Speaker 15: But Jake, you compare it to the Yankees teams that
20:13
Speaker 15: we grew up watching and that they were the problem,
20:17
Speaker 15: you know back then, But they were also built on
20:20
Speaker 15: homegrown players that they then paid. They weren't built on
20:24
Speaker 15: Oh that's the best player available from that market, I'm
20:27
Speaker 15: going to sign him. Because you look at this Dodgers
20:29
Speaker 15: lineup top to bottom and it's like two guys that
20:32
Speaker 15: came up through their system.
20:35
Speaker 13: Yeah, you're right.
20:37
Speaker 12: I guess the where they deserve more credit is eight.
20:40
Speaker 12: They're ahead of pretty much every organization on every front.
20:44
Speaker 12: So like they've had prospects, they just trade them like
20:47
Speaker 12: they traded for Mookie Bets that one didn't end up
20:49
Speaker 12: hurting them. And then the other thing where they do
20:52
Speaker 12: deserve credit is, yes, they're spending money, but how many
20:55
Speaker 12: teams do we talk about them having that one contract
20:58
Speaker 12: that kills them.
20:59
Speaker 13: The Dodgers don't really have that.
21:01
Speaker 12: Like, yes, they get a little bit more flexibility around
21:04
Speaker 12: their pitching. Where they had a ton of injuries and
21:06
Speaker 12: they could take a chance on Glass, now they can
21:08
Speaker 12: take a chance on Snell even though they have an
21:10
Speaker 12: injury history, where other teams don't have to do that.
21:13
Speaker 12: But Matt Freddie Freeman was a free agent and didn't
21:15
Speaker 12: want to go there, remember the hole.
21:17
Speaker 13: He wanted to stay in Atlanta.
21:18
Speaker 12: Like they have where they have spent their money, they've
21:22
Speaker 12: done really good at it, so they they deserve credit
21:26
Speaker 12: on all fronts. And yes, it's you know, there's a
21:29
Speaker 12: lot of teams that wish they could spend half of
21:31
Speaker 12: what the Dodgers do, So I I do get that
21:33
Speaker 12: part of it. But the Dodgers, no one should be
21:36
Speaker 12: knocking what they've done like they've They've crushed it.
21:39
Speaker 16: Jay Dodgers' clear best team in baseball. They add Kyle
21:42
Speaker 16: Tucker Edwin Diaz to kind of address the only weaknesses
21:45
Speaker 16: they had. It feels like this year going into the season,
21:48
Speaker 16: the gap between like teams two through twelve is razor thin,
21:53
Speaker 16: and it just kind of comes down to what you prefer.
21:56
Speaker 16: Who do you think is the second best team in
21:58
Speaker 16: baseball as we enter season?
22:01
Speaker 12: Man, we just did power rankings because, as I'm sure
22:04
Speaker 12: Stu knows, like that click has worked throughout time, and
22:09
Speaker 12: it is such a losing exercise, especially right now with
22:12
Speaker 12: where baseball is at that I honestly and this wasn't
22:16
Speaker 12: for the click, This wasn't for the view. When I
22:18
Speaker 12: was looking at all the teams, the team I feel
22:20
Speaker 12: the second most confident about is the Milwaukee Brewers because
22:24
Speaker 12: I know on the pitching side of the ball, they
22:26
Speaker 12: are advanced above most other teams and they actually have
22:31
Speaker 12: talented like ms Rowski's a freak show Brandon Woodriff when
22:35
Speaker 12: you actually go through his numbers, who he has been
22:37
Speaker 12: since the twenty twenties, Like he's the leader, that they
22:40
Speaker 12: have a great bullpen every year, they catch the ball
22:42
Speaker 12: every year and between contrarasts between Chario, between Yelich and
22:46
Speaker 12: then everyone else on their team who runs well, catches
22:50
Speaker 12: the ball well, and does something else well. Like I
22:53
Speaker 12: know that they're going to put a good product out
22:55
Speaker 12: there that I put them second on my power rankings,
22:57
Speaker 12: and I power rank where it gets tricky as if
23:01
Speaker 12: you just look at talent on paper, I don't know
23:03
Speaker 12: if I pick them, but when I look at the
23:05
Speaker 12: uniform and who they have, I do.
23:08
Speaker 15: Who's a team that you're kind of lower on that
23:10
Speaker 15: a lot of people are are really high on.
23:13
Speaker 13: Ooh, this is makes the fun part. Yeah, right, let's see.
23:19
Speaker 12: The team that got the most mad at me was
23:21
Speaker 12: the New York Metropolitans. I had them at eleventh.
23:24
Speaker 1: Right when you say they got mad at you, Jake,
23:26
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off.
23:28
Speaker 14: Like what happened there?
23:28
Speaker 1: You put out the power rankings and someone from the
23:30
Speaker 1: Mets reach out to you.
23:31
Speaker 14: What happened?
23:32
Speaker 12: So you well know, like we're it's a losing game
23:35
Speaker 12: and where our social media team couldn't get more excited
23:38
Speaker 12: when we do power rankings because.
23:39
Speaker 1: We're right, because they know they know they're mindless and
23:42
Speaker 1: fake and they mean nothing.
23:43
Speaker 13: Right preseason Baseball power rankings.
23:47
Speaker 12: Really, you're really in it that the Mets fans like
23:51
Speaker 12: they arguably had a top three off season, but they're
23:55
Speaker 12: also okay if I'm respecting the Brewers Jersey, I still
23:59
Speaker 12: see a little something with the Mets jersey, and they
24:01
Speaker 12: had an epic collapse last year while also losing their
24:05
Speaker 12: franchise leader in home runs like the Lindor injury. Now
24:10
Speaker 12: going into the season, they have a lot of positions
24:13
Speaker 12: that are open in different ways that like, I shouldn't
24:17
Speaker 12: be in love with the Mets. I see there's a
24:20
Speaker 12: lot of talent there, but that was probably the one
24:22
Speaker 12: that people were were the most hot about.
24:24
Speaker 13: But that could also just be Mets Yankee stuff.
24:28
Speaker 1: Taylor and Mike have been annoying me because they're upset
24:31
Speaker 1: about the vibes around this Yankee team because they are
24:34
Speaker 1: running back basically the same exact team as they had
24:37
Speaker 1: last year. How do you feel about the vibes of
24:40
Speaker 1: the Yankees and can you tell Taylor and Mikey to
24:42
Speaker 1: shut them up. Yeah no, I mean, I love you guys,
24:47
Speaker 1: but vibes the Yankees running back the same team.
24:51
Speaker 14: I mean, the team is good.
24:52
Speaker 12: The team is good. And that's where it's two different
24:55
Speaker 12: things here. It's the Yankee fans we're told to be
24:58
Speaker 12: and it's the Yankee fans we are now. Now we're
25:02
Speaker 12: talking about the Dodgers on a different pantheon, which okay,
25:05
Speaker 12: that should be strike one right there. And then if
25:07
Speaker 12: you go through teams two through twelve kind of like
25:10
Speaker 12: Taylor mentioned, like they're the same right now and that's
25:15
Speaker 12: not what the Yankees are supposed to be. So in
25:17
Speaker 12: that way, it's right. In another way, they do have
25:21
Speaker 12: some pitching depth and some you know, they had technically
25:25
Speaker 12: the best lineup last year, which there's some judge funny
25:28
Speaker 12: business math in there, but they also have that guy.
25:30
Speaker 13: So let's take the funny business math.
25:33
Speaker 12: And I just think maybe Baseball's I don't want to
25:36
Speaker 12: say baseball's problem right now, because there's a couple of them,
25:39
Speaker 12: but it's two seasons. It's survived the first half of
25:43
Speaker 12: the season and see how good your team is, and
25:45
Speaker 12: then the trade deadline fill your holes. The Yankees brought
25:48
Speaker 12: in a whole different back end of the bullpen last year,
25:50
Speaker 12: Like you can add at the deadline now if you're
25:54
Speaker 12: willing to give up actual prospect capital, and the Yankees
25:57
Speaker 12: actually do have some real prospect capital this year or
26:00
Speaker 12: not the Yankees heype machine prospect capital.
26:03
Speaker 1: Which team in Major League Baseball top to bottom has
26:05
Speaker 1: the best pitching staff?
26:06
Speaker 14: Is that obvious? Is it the Dodgers?
26:08
Speaker 12: Or yeah, the Dodgers aren't an interesting scale. I guess
26:13
Speaker 12: if it's not that.
26:13
Speaker 1: You talk about baseball and exclude the Dodgers from the conversation.
26:17
Speaker 12: That's kind of what it is, and that's that's insane.
26:20
Speaker 12: But I would say the two teams that jump out
26:22
Speaker 12: are Seattle and the Phillies. The Phillies off Zach Wheeler
26:26
Speaker 12: comes back, and is that Zach Wheeler. Their bullpen on
26:29
Speaker 12: the back end is actually stronger than it's looked like
26:31
Speaker 12: in past years with doron and they Brad Keller, who's
26:35
Speaker 12: kind of one of those new starters who's transitioning to
26:38
Speaker 12: the bullpen very well. And Seattle like they're somehow we've
26:42
Speaker 12: become bored with their starting pitching group, but they're there,
26:46
Speaker 12: and you know, they kind of made their first leap
26:49
Speaker 12: next year. This is kind of the real test of like,
26:51
Speaker 12: all right, who are they gonna be?
26:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, Seattle's just boring, right, Like we don't care about Seattle.
26:56
Speaker 1: It's so far removed from all the other states, Like
26:59
Speaker 1: it's just a there in the Northwest. It's by Canada,
27:02
Speaker 1: it's close to Vancouver. I mean, the Seahawks won a
27:04
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and everyone yawned.
27:05
Speaker 12: You know, it's an interesting because you know they got
27:09
Speaker 12: that Pat the twelfth Man, right, No, man, it's bizarre.
27:12
Speaker 12: I had a weird I'm on my couch last night
27:14
Speaker 12: and I see the video of Julio Rodriguez coming off
27:17
Speaker 12: the coming off the team bus for Team dr and
27:20
Speaker 12: I'm like, okay, so we've got one of the most
27:22
Speaker 12: handsome fellas on the planet place maybe my favorite position
27:26
Speaker 12: defensively as well as anyone. And it's like, and okay,
27:29
Speaker 12: they're catchers, big dumper, Like what what simulation is this that? Yes,
27:34
Speaker 12: there should be something a little sexier about Seattle.
27:37
Speaker 14: Right, except you feel like you need a passport when
27:39
Speaker 14: you travel there.
27:40
Speaker 13: I mean it's a different place, Yes, I.
27:42
Speaker 14: Can tell it. Put that on the poll. Do you
27:43
Speaker 14: need a passport when you travel to Seattle, got Jake.
27:47
Speaker 16: It feels like me and mikey a align on most
27:50
Speaker 16: things when it comes to Yankees. One of the things
27:52
Speaker 16: recently that we kind of had a disagreement on. I
27:55
Speaker 16: don't think CC Sabathia is Jersey retirement great when it
27:59
Speaker 16: comes to Yankees, and I'm curious where you kind of
28:02
Speaker 16: fall there.
28:03
Speaker 12: It's the CC listening No, I man, I don't know
28:08
Speaker 12: I what C. C. Sabathia represented for the Yankees coming
28:12
Speaker 12: over from OH nine winning that World Series, who he
28:16
Speaker 12: was as a leader, and I guess where he is
28:18
Speaker 12: in baseball history. The thing that we've referenced on talking Yanks,
28:22
Speaker 12: because you know, CEC. When you look at the career
28:25
Speaker 12: stats and all pitchers are in this place right now,
28:28
Speaker 12: that the Hall of Fame is gonna have to kind
28:30
Speaker 12: of change how they look at starting pitchers. CC is
28:33
Speaker 12: the third lefty ever to strike out three thousand hitters,
28:37
Speaker 12: And when you think about that, you're like, Okay, I
28:39
Speaker 12: think Carlton and Randy Johnson. So like, I don't know
28:42
Speaker 12: who who C. C. Sabathia is in the game. I
28:46
Speaker 12: get that there's a Yankee side to that argument that
28:48
Speaker 12: you know, if you started ranking each Yankee by uniform number,
28:52
Speaker 12: CEC's probably towards the bottom third there.
28:55
Speaker 13: There's a couple others behind CEC.
28:57
Speaker 12: That it is what it is like, I don't know,
29:00
Speaker 12: I'm I'm not out here to knock who Reggie Jackson
29:03
Speaker 12: was because I didn't feel like who he was.
29:04
Speaker 13: In that moment.
29:05
Speaker 12: He's larger than life, he represents New York. Well, he's
29:08
Speaker 12: still around the team. That it's I don't know, I'm
29:11
Speaker 12: not punching pillows at home like you believe this, like
29:15
Speaker 12: and it's a fine number to retire like that.
29:17
Speaker 14: When do you punch pillows at home? What makes you
29:20
Speaker 14: like talking?
29:21
Speaker 5: Yeah?
29:23
Speaker 12: Uh god, that's uh nope, I'm not going there, not going.
29:28
Speaker 14: But how many of those strikeouts came as a Yankee?
29:31
Speaker 4: You know?
29:32
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you hang around the team, doesn't mean
29:34
Speaker 1: you get your jersey retired.
29:35
Speaker 14: I mean it's the Yankees, man, I.
29:37
Speaker 13: Know, I know, And maybe maybe I'm part of the
29:39
Speaker 13: problem now that I this is you're a Yankees.
29:43
Speaker 12: Have let each little half inch slip that we've gotten
29:46
Speaker 12: to this point. I don't know of all my qualms
29:49
Speaker 12: with the Yankees organization. Uh in doctoring CC more into
29:53
Speaker 12: the family.
29:53
Speaker 13: I'm I have no qualms with that, Stu.
29:56
Speaker 16: As a Yankee fan, it feels sacrilegious. When I'm walking around,
29:59
Speaker 16: I'm like, hey, maybe we didn't need to retire Paul
30:02
Speaker 16: Neil's number.
30:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, it's actly religious.
30:07
Speaker 14: I think he might be more deserving. But if I'm sitting.
30:09
Speaker 1: There and I'm rattling off Yankee greats in terms of pictures,
30:12
Speaker 1: it's gonna take me a while before I get to C. C.
30:15
Speaker 14: Sabbathia, you know.
30:17
Speaker 13: Ah, So that's where I get caught up.
30:19
Speaker 12: And now, if we're really doing this like the Yankees,
30:22
Speaker 12: pitching lifetime is a lot slimmer than the hitting that.
30:25
Speaker 13: I think CC might crack that rotation. Are you a
30:28
Speaker 13: Whitey Ford guy?
30:29
Speaker 1: I am a white I just it's so funny. I
30:32
Speaker 1: just wrote down Whitey Ford on a piece of I
30:34
Speaker 1: didn't finish it.
30:35
Speaker 4: I wrote fo R.
30:36
Speaker 14: But that just reminds me that it's Ford.
30:39
Speaker 12: I've got other illusions for it. No, man, this is
30:42
Speaker 12: where I don't have the historian side yet. I think
30:44
Speaker 12: that's gonna be like my upcoming midlife crisis where I
30:47
Speaker 12: deep dive into all of the Yankee stats and I can.
30:50
Speaker 13: But like, I don't know.
30:51
Speaker 12: I heard I heard Kellerman and Simmons the other day
30:53
Speaker 12: debating if Guidry's number should be retired, and.
30:56
Speaker 13: I don't know. I see him show up. He's got
30:59
Speaker 13: a sick nick name.
31:00
Speaker 14: Some of the numbers are Louisiana Lightning.
31:02
Speaker 13: I mean, comparing Guidry and Sabathia. I can't. I can't
31:09
Speaker 13: have that conversation currently.
31:10
Speaker 14: Here's the way I like to do these things, Jake.
31:12
Speaker 1: If I were to ask you, Okay, one game scenario,
31:15
Speaker 1: start for your life, Okay, Cec Sabbathi or David Cone?
31:19
Speaker 14: Who you taking? Oh you're taking code? I don't.
31:26
Speaker 13: I mean what age am I getting them at?
31:28
Speaker 14: Like prime? You're getting prime of both? Okay?
31:31
Speaker 13: Did the Yankees have prime? Cone?
31:32
Speaker 1: Because the follow ups here, I mean just one picture.
31:35
Speaker 1: Choose what Jesus, what was your question? What was the
31:38
Speaker 1: second question?
31:39
Speaker 13: Did their prime on the Yankees?
31:41
Speaker 1: Or their CEC's prime on the Yankees?
31:44
Speaker 14: David Cone's prime on the Yankees?
31:47
Speaker 12: I think I would go see Cee just that when
31:49
Speaker 12: he initially came over, he comes off that like Milwaukee run.
31:54
Speaker 12: Where do you remember he took the ball every third
31:56
Speaker 12: day for the Brewers just to do it like that's
31:59
Speaker 12: He's one of the last dying breeds to ever do that.
32:02
Speaker 12: And I feel like Coney when he came to the Yankees.
32:04
Speaker 12: He was David Cohne, but he was a little older
32:06
Speaker 12: David Cone. That that's all I'm going off.
32:08
Speaker 14: I think older David Cone was better. It was Cagy.
32:11
Speaker 12: I mean he was I like, yes, hey, I've got
32:13
Speaker 12: no again, Like this is the beauty. We could do
32:16
Speaker 12: this at the end of a bar all day and
32:17
Speaker 12: there's right or wrong and that's Hey, that's the.
32:20
Speaker 14: Beauty of it, all right.
32:21
Speaker 1: Jake, Jake sta Rally John Boy Media, he does talking
32:26
Speaker 1: baseball with Trevor Ploof. I love that day and also
32:29
Speaker 1: talking Yanks as well.
32:31
Speaker 14: Man.
32:31
Speaker 1: Opening Day cannot come soon enough for you, Jake. I
32:34
Speaker 1: am concerned about you. You need games to watch. Stop
32:37
Speaker 1: power ranking things that don't.
32:38
Speaker 12: Matter, all right, Terry Francona in the stands. Thank you, guys.
32:42
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33:03
Speaker 14: Izzy will be upset by this first question.
33:05
Speaker 1: He's tired of me talking about Michael Jordan, I think,
33:07
Speaker 1: and his greatness. So, Bomani, will Michael Jordan have a
33:12
Speaker 1: better career as a NASCAR owner than Lebron James has
33:17
Speaker 1: had as a basketball player?
33:21
Speaker 17: You know, I gotta tell you something, man, When I
33:24
Speaker 17: when I used to do highly questionable Yes, I figured
33:27
Speaker 17: out a very interesting angle slash approach, which was poppy
33:32
Speaker 17: would say something crazy right, and I would then find
33:37
Speaker 17: some kernel that could be pulled out and turned into
33:41
Speaker 17: something coherent right. And so it became that. And since
33:46
Speaker 17: you made me aware that you were going to ask
33:49
Speaker 17: this question, I have been actively seeking this, colonel. And
33:57
Speaker 17: I mean I've looked bad, I've dug deep.
34:00
Speaker 4: Try hard.
34:01
Speaker 17: I just can't quite figure out how to legitimize this one.
34:07
Speaker 17: But I can't say this. How about Lebron get himself
34:12
Speaker 17: a NASCAR team?
34:13
Speaker 14: About that?
34:14
Speaker 5: Yes, I'd just be I'd.
34:16
Speaker 17: Just be curious to see how this goes. If he
34:20
Speaker 17: could get himself a NASCAR team and then they you know,
34:23
Speaker 17: they they do get out.
34:25
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:25
Speaker 18: I'm glad you're confused by this too, Bo, because I
34:28
Speaker 18: too am confused by his premise that I would be
34:31
Speaker 18: upset with him. I'm not sure, Taylor, who was the
34:33
Speaker 18: last time we talked Michael Jordan. I don't even know
34:36
Speaker 18: where that came from.
34:37
Speaker 1: I mean, I bring him up anytime I can. I
34:38
Speaker 1: think we did it last week on the radio show.
34:40
Speaker 1: I'm only bringing up the fact that Jordan has won
34:42
Speaker 1: three consecutive races as an owner, okay, and you know
34:48
Speaker 1: Lebron has won four titles as an NBA player.
34:51
Speaker 14: He's the same thing one race as an NBA title.
34:53
Speaker 4: Okay.
34:54
Speaker 14: I didn't realize that was the equivalent, you know.
34:56
Speaker 17: And it came down Jordan and them forgetim, but his
35:00
Speaker 17: name and like Tyler or Tyson or something like that.
35:03
Speaker 17: He's like, he's not like, want to Taylor's friends.
35:05
Speaker 5: What's his name? Tyler Reddickredick.
35:07
Speaker 14: There we go.
35:08
Speaker 5: Oh, that mean that could go a bunch of different directions.
35:11
Speaker 17: So anyway, like, I do think that those three wins
35:17
Speaker 17: are interesting. Two guys, he's acting like he came back
35:19
Speaker 17: down three to one to the greatest team of all
35:21
Speaker 17: time in order to pull that one off.
35:25
Speaker 14: I'm just comparing rings because it's the laziest thing to do,
35:27
Speaker 14: and I'm lazy. But Bonnie, that's it.
35:29
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, no, no, no, no no, But like we
35:31
Speaker 5: need to.
35:31
Speaker 17: There was a time where I feel like we would
35:33
Speaker 17: have absolutely got Lebron out there making that happen. Like,
35:36
Speaker 17: let's let's see. I just go, hey man, look Mike,
35:38
Speaker 17: and Mike is already a NASCAR legend. He went out there,
35:41
Speaker 17: he got in that lawsuit. Yeah, you know, he went
35:44
Speaker 17: out there, scrapped it out with these people. Also, let
35:46
Speaker 17: us I mean, it's twenty twenty six, but it'll be
35:50
Speaker 17: twenty eighty six and Michael George's black ass owner a
35:53
Speaker 17: NASCAR team still going to be you know, that feels
35:55
Speaker 17: kind of historic.
35:59
Speaker 4: It's does.
36:00
Speaker 1: And he's great at it because he's great. He's the
36:02
Speaker 1: greatest to have ever lived. Taylor made a comment a
36:05
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I laughed him off the radio.
36:08
Speaker 1: He said, the Charlotte Hornets are going for it. Bomani Jones,
36:12
Speaker 1: are the Charlotte Hornets going for it?
36:14
Speaker 14: What do you mean by it? The chap? I said,
36:16
Speaker 14: vote like you mean like.
36:19
Speaker 17: They're going for it this year or it's a realistic possibility.
36:23
Speaker 14: Bomani.
36:24
Speaker 16: All I'm saying is the last thirty two games, the
36:26
Speaker 16: highest net rating in the NBA belongs to the Charlotte Hornets.
36:30
Speaker 5: Great, that doesn't mean they're going for it.
36:34
Speaker 17: They perhaps would like to have it, but hey man,
36:38
Speaker 17: let's be fair to them. They have three guys that
36:44
Speaker 17: one could argue are very good players. Yeah, they got
36:49
Speaker 17: LaMelo and my buddy Rod, who'd watches a Hornet season
36:55
Speaker 17: ticket holder, and he obviously watches the Hornets more than me.
36:58
Speaker 17: He swears to me that LaMelo was not a loser, right, like,
37:02
Speaker 17: he is adamant that he's not.
37:05
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I'm saying.
37:06
Speaker 17: He and and so it is my respect for him
37:09
Speaker 17: that makes me say, maybe LaMelo isn't a loser, but
37:12
Speaker 17: like I and I ain't watching them any of their games,
37:16
Speaker 17: but he has the statistical profile of a loser like
37:19
Speaker 17: like And that's not to say he don't have a
37:20
Speaker 17: lot of points, but a lot of losers score a
37:22
Speaker 17: lot of points. But they say he not a loser.
37:24
Speaker 17: I think Brandon Miller is good. And then they got
37:26
Speaker 17: a what's his name? Hey, Yeah, this is this is,
37:34
Speaker 17: this is gonna be interesting with this cond nipple thing.
37:36
Speaker 5: The whites. You got like a local white you know
37:39
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, It's.
37:40
Speaker 14: Best odd couple in sports. LaMelo LaMelo. Yeah yeah.
37:44
Speaker 17: And by the way, shout out to everybody who is
37:48
Speaker 17: relieved to find out and also the rest of you
37:50
Speaker 17: who are a little disappointed to find out that his
37:52
Speaker 17: middle name does not start with a K.
37:55
Speaker 18: But that's okay because all of his siblings start with
37:57
Speaker 18: the K, so it's in there somewhere.
37:59
Speaker 16: Yeah.
37:59
Speaker 17: Yeah, But I I do think like when you as
38:02
Speaker 17: a white person like Gary Kubiak also on this list,
38:05
Speaker 17: like when you make this decision that you're going to
38:08
Speaker 17: do this, the fact that it never dawns on you
38:10
Speaker 17: that maybe this isn't the best idea, you know what
38:14
Speaker 17: I'm saying, Like not once, Like if somebody was from
38:18
Speaker 17: LA and lived in like black people La, they would
38:22
Speaker 17: be very careful about having back to back KK because
38:25
Speaker 17: it might seem like, you know, you got a problem
38:27
Speaker 17: with the crypts. They would this would be in their minds.
38:30
Speaker 14: Yes, I just don't.
38:32
Speaker 17: Know how this isn't in your mind or is it?
38:38
Speaker 14: Try not to do that.
38:39
Speaker 17: I don't want to do that, Like, for example, I
38:41
Speaker 17: cut Steve Kerr some slack, Yeah, because for those of
38:46
Speaker 17: you who don't know, he has a son named Nicholas
38:48
Speaker 17: that has to go by Nicholas, because when your last
38:51
Speaker 17: name is Kerr, it is a little difficult to go
38:54
Speaker 17: by Nick. There needs to be a serious level of
38:58
Speaker 17: nunciation when you say your name is nick.
39:01
Speaker 14: It was a family name, right, I.
39:04
Speaker 1: Don't know, I don't care, right, but you have to
39:07
Speaker 1: say that's slowly too.
39:08
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:09
Speaker 17: You sometimes like I got a buddy whose name is
39:12
Speaker 17: Hughes and his last name starts with the S, so
39:15
Speaker 17: he's very careful about separating the two. Sure, because because
39:19
Speaker 17: otherwise you think his name is Hugh. Anyway, I understand you.
39:24
Speaker 17: Steve Curry just didn't think about it. And I'm understanding,
39:28
Speaker 17: is he rules the fact that he did not consider
39:31
Speaker 17: him but on the board totally get it.
39:34
Speaker 5: Yes, double k thing. It's tough, bo.
39:41
Speaker 18: There's a K and Luke Cornett who was complaining about
39:43
Speaker 18: Magic City Night in Atlanta, and I was laughing at
39:48
Speaker 18: Magic City Night because there's all the details of it,
39:50
Speaker 18: you know, the owner of Atlanta being involved in the documentary.
39:52
Speaker 14: It's all for money. It's all not.
39:55
Speaker 18: Just to celebrate an institution. But I just wanted to
39:58
Speaker 18: get your thoughts on that. And then, and it's funny
40:01
Speaker 18: how Luke Cornett calls it out and then everybody says, no, no, no,
40:05
Speaker 18: you have to call out every injustice in all of
40:07
Speaker 18: sports if you're going to call out this one.
40:08
Speaker 14: And I'm just like, Okay, nobody's gonna say anything anymore.
40:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I saw a little bit of it. I
40:12
Speaker 5: was a little.
40:15
Speaker 17: I was intrigued by the fact that he cared enough
40:20
Speaker 17: to share.
40:21
Speaker 14: This right people he plays in San Antonio.
40:23
Speaker 17: Yeah, and I'll also note I thought that what he
40:26
Speaker 17: said was very thoughtful. I think the outrage machine just
40:31
Speaker 17: jumps on the idea of somebody coming down on this,
40:33
Speaker 17: and I think that there's the people feeling as though
40:36
Speaker 17: he's ruining their fun. And then there is the next
40:39
Speaker 17: level of extrapolation that is the most like twenty first
40:42
Speaker 17: century of it all, which is him and not showing
40:45
Speaker 17: adequate respect for the sex workers. I mean, it really
40:50
Speaker 17: wasn't that long ago that we had kind of Look.
40:52
Speaker 17: I say this as somebody, I tell you, by the
40:55
Speaker 17: time the first, the second, the third, the fourth, and
40:58
Speaker 17: the fifth time I went to Madge City. They all
41:00
Speaker 17: have distinct like stories and reasons that they stick out
41:03
Speaker 17: in my head. I am not approved when it comes
41:06
Speaker 17: to strip clubs, but the idea that it is exploitation
41:10
Speaker 17: is not foreign, right, Like it is not. Atlanta's a
41:13
Speaker 17: little bit different because it's so mainstreamed into the culture.
41:17
Speaker 17: But like when you go to strip clubs in places
41:20
Speaker 17: that are not really Atlanta, there's a couple of others.
41:24
Speaker 14: Man is sad.
41:25
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, you know, like you get in there, yeah, no, no, no,
41:29
Speaker 17: you get in there. You just kind of like, hey man,
41:32
Speaker 17: this is like nobody's nobody wants to be here, the
41:35
Speaker 17: patrons don't want to be here, the girls, everyone's look,
41:40
Speaker 17: it doesn't it doesn't feel like a party, right, Atlanta's different,
41:44
Speaker 17: it does. It's like like mad the City is like
41:48
Speaker 17: a certain des lay situation.
41:49
Speaker 5: All of this stuff.
41:51
Speaker 17: However, I do not I did not think it was
41:56
Speaker 17: appropriate to do a night at the Rena. No, Like,
42:01
Speaker 17: the strip club is not a place for families, right,
42:05
Speaker 17: same people complain about Pride Night. It's different, right, walk
42:09
Speaker 17: into a strip club. Tell me the one guy you
42:11
Speaker 17: see that brought his kids?
42:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Like that's.
42:14
Speaker 17: Not like a basketball game is something completely different than that.
42:20
Speaker 17: Now Here is how I think they get around this,
42:23
Speaker 17: which is basically everything in the announcement about Magic City
42:27
Speaker 17: Night was like, there's gonna be a t I concert
42:29
Speaker 17: at halftime, and they were talking about the Wings.
42:33
Speaker 5: What about the girls.
42:35
Speaker 19: If it's Magic City? Yeah, yeah, where are the girls?
42:39
Speaker 19: Oh wait a minute, that's right. It's wildly inappropriate to
42:45
Speaker 19: have the girls at a basketball game, which is why this.
42:50
Speaker 5: Is a crazy idea, you.
42:53
Speaker 16: Know what I mean?
42:53
Speaker 5: Like, I'm not I'm not like wildly offended in all
42:57
Speaker 5: of this stuff.
42:57
Speaker 17: But no, this is not This is not what it's
43:00
Speaker 17: supposed to be. You know where I would rather be
43:02
Speaker 17: the Magic City Night at the at the Arena, Magic.
43:06
Speaker 1: City, Yes, yes, that's so good the right time with
43:12
Speaker 1: Bomani Jones. There's no way to transition out of weed
43:15
Speaker 1: and strip clubs. Well maybe there is, I'm just not
43:17
Speaker 1: thinking of it right now. Boston, the Celtics, Jason Tatum.
43:22
Speaker 5: Let me tell you what there is.
43:23
Speaker 17: Not in Boston, Boston. I mean to the Magic City
43:30
Speaker 17: and they have Magic City Night in Boston. Oh, it
43:32
Speaker 17: would be some protests, it would be giving not one
43:35
Speaker 17: damn about some girls but it would be a protest.
43:38
Speaker 14: Celtics Jason Tatum.
43:40
Speaker 1: The people that are saying don't bring Tatum back because
43:44
Speaker 1: the team is playing well without him, to me, is absurd.
43:47
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum when healthy, one of the ten fifteen best
43:51
Speaker 1: players in the world, and he only makes your team better.
43:53
Speaker 1: What do you think about the Celtics and bringing him
43:55
Speaker 1: back here?
43:56
Speaker 17: I mean, I have to operate on the assumption that
43:59
Speaker 17: everybody involve understands what they're doing here.
44:02
Speaker 5: Right, Like, I think it's crazy.
44:06
Speaker 17: For everything I've ever known about, like what a recovery
44:09
Speaker 17: from an achilles.
44:09
Speaker 5: Tear is, it seems preposterous to me.
44:13
Speaker 17: Now, I do know that what is very unique about
44:15
Speaker 17: the situation, and I don't know why it's unique, but
44:18
Speaker 17: it is very unique is that they got him on
44:20
Speaker 17: the table the day after the tear, and that apparently
44:23
Speaker 17: is much faster Dominique Wilkins, who had a miraculous Achilles
44:27
Speaker 17: recovery in nineteen ninety three.
44:30
Speaker 5: I want to say it was the year.
44:31
Speaker 17: They got him on the table the next day, as
44:33
Speaker 17: I understand it, So, I feel like everybody has a
44:36
Speaker 17: lot invested in this, right Tatum obviously his body, forget
44:40
Speaker 17: about the money.
44:40
Speaker 5: But he's got that invested in this.
44:42
Speaker 17: The Celtics, they got a lot of money left to
44:44
Speaker 17: pay him on that deal. The fact that everybody is
44:48
Speaker 17: going for this implies to me that it's not unsafe.
44:54
Speaker 5: Right. Maybe they do this with.
44:56
Speaker 17: A like he's not gonna pay thirty five minutes.
44:58
Speaker 5: A game or something like that. I do think though,
45:01
Speaker 5: that if he can.
45:01
Speaker 17: Play this year, you start to process this year and
45:04
Speaker 17: get all those like I'm scared games out of the
45:07
Speaker 17: way so you don't drag it into next year. But
45:10
Speaker 17: let us also not forget the reason that they are
45:12
Speaker 17: here and they are in this situation is that I
45:15
Speaker 17: don't know about how the whole franchise felt, but I
45:17
Speaker 17: know my man Joe Missoula found the idea of tanking
45:21
Speaker 17: out the season absolutely offensive, and that was something they
45:25
Speaker 17: were never going to do. And the whole reason that
45:27
Speaker 17: there's even a thought of bringing Jason Tatum back is
45:30
Speaker 17: these guys refused to be a bunch of losers and
45:33
Speaker 17: decided that they was gonna try and guess what, they
45:35
Speaker 17: have a chance to win the East.
45:37
Speaker 18: They even made the Anfredy Simon's move that I thought, Hey,
45:40
Speaker 18: that's a nice piece for them.
45:41
Speaker 14: They moved off front of him during the trade deadline.
45:43
Speaker 18: And still are like again making moves that seem like
45:47
Speaker 18: they're going one way but are going the other direction.
45:49
Speaker 14: And it's just been crazy impressive.
45:51
Speaker 18: But here's my thought when it comes to Jason tatum
45:54
Speaker 18: bo is he's not a guy that you can slide
45:58
Speaker 18: in with other players and say, hey, fit in. Obviously
46:01
Speaker 18: that's what happened in the Olympics. He's super talented, but
46:04
Speaker 18: he needs the ball. He needs all that, and so
46:06
Speaker 18: can he And I think this is where his thinking is.
46:09
Speaker 18: Can he go ahead and just sort of plug and
46:12
Speaker 18: play without demanding the ball, without you know, the usage
46:15
Speaker 18: rate going through the roof and then you see the
46:17
Speaker 18: rustiness and you see the lack of chemistry. There is
46:20
Speaker 18: it a style of plaything that maybe even he is recognizing, hey,
46:24
Speaker 18: maybe I will mess up this chemistry more than people think.
46:27
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think there is a great question that you
46:29
Speaker 17: asked there. I also think, and I G if you
46:33
Speaker 17: got the angel Devil showed the situation that the angel
46:36
Speaker 17: is like, well, you know what if I come in
46:38
Speaker 17: and you know, I mess up the system and the chemistry,
46:43
Speaker 17: and then the other angel is.
46:44
Speaker 5: Like, what if they are just fine without me. That
46:50
Speaker 5: was his problem.
46:51
Speaker 17: But I will ask you this, what if the move
46:55
Speaker 17: is to basically turn him into something that we really
46:57
Speaker 17: don't see in the NBA anymore. We still we'll have
47:00
Speaker 17: very good bench players who are still six men, but
47:03
Speaker 17: we ain't got a lot of Vinnie Johnson's no more,
47:05
Speaker 17: right even like now they're like Lou Williams and Jamal
47:08
Speaker 17: Crawford out of the NBA. I mean, six men whose
47:11
Speaker 17: entire job is let's get some.
47:13
Speaker 5: Buckets right fast. I can play as hard.
47:16
Speaker 17: As I can get these buckets and go sit down.
47:19
Speaker 17: If the Celtics have room for that, this could be
47:23
Speaker 17: imagine telling Jason Tatum, all you got to do fifteen minutes,
47:25
Speaker 17: put up every shot you can.
47:28
Speaker 1: We love having you man the right time with Bomani
47:30
Speaker 1: Jones wherever you get your podcast. We appreciate your time, sir,
47:34
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you again soon, I hope.
47:36
Speaker 5: All right, brother, take it easy,