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The Cheshire Murders - Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Today, we're discussing part two of the Sesher murders. If
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  Speaker 1: you haven't listened to part one, feel free to go
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  Speaker 1: check it out because we're about to deep dive into
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  Speaker 1: what happened in the aftermath of it all.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.
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  Speaker 1: Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 3: The following podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It might show up on the microphone. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you guys are gonna hear it, but there is
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  Speaker 1: a thunderous storm rolling overhead right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. BC is getting some interesting weather and disasters going
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  Speaker 2: on right now.
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  Speaker 1: No kidding. I mean, we got a bunch of wildfires.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's typical.
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  Speaker 2: But it's they're just like starting.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it is. It's just getting going. But
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  Speaker 1: then there was a tornado warning.
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  Speaker 2: For Central BC, wasn't it? I think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is super rare rarity with the topographical landscape
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  Speaker 1: we have at the boreal forest, It's like, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't happen, but apparently it does.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, but I don't know if it's actually happened.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I do care. I do remember once
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  Speaker 1: being at a lake nest lake as a kid and
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  Speaker 1: like seeing a tornado like almost touchdown on the lake
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  Speaker 1: because it got so.
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  Speaker 2: Windy and wild And was it actually like decently sized?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh okay, No, this was like it was insane.
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  Speaker 2: Because you can see those some you see them sometimes
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  Speaker 2: in like parking lots, right, like a little something. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's going, but it's not like very large. No.
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  Speaker 1: No, this this was like, I don't know, like this
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  Speaker 1: of like a small house.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the water on the top of
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  Speaker 1: the lake was starting to like spin and like go up,
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  Speaker 1: and it went up probably like like twenty thirty feet
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  Speaker 1: a bit, and then it just kind of fizzled out.
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  Speaker 1: But it was like, oh god.
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  Speaker 2: Well, weren't they saying the tornado could get worse or
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  Speaker 2: be worse because of the fires or something too?
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  Speaker 1: I think so because of the temperature of the fire. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: air mixing, and yeah, it's a wild freaking thing. I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand it. But hopefully everyone out there is safe
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  Speaker 1: wherever you are, whether you're BC or not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, a thunderstorm in the background of this might
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  Speaker 2: be slightly fitting, right, It might be.
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  Speaker 1: It might be in the thunder Rolls. We also want
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  Speaker 1: to give a little bit of an announcement that we
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a fun night. The fact
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  Speaker 2: that we're sold out or half sold out is pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It is. I'm pretty stoked and we I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: last week is generally for events like this when tickets
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  Speaker 1: really sell. So I have a feeling it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a packed hose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Oh my goodness, because we've done some
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  Speaker 2: live events before and I think like max thirty people yes, right,
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  Speaker 2: and this is about eighty or.
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  Speaker 1: So maximum capacity.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So that's like it's gonna be good.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a bit more good. But we also
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  Speaker 1: have some door prizes, like we got an order from
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  Speaker 1: some of our merch coming in. We got some socks,
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  Speaker 1: we got to throw blankets, we got some mugs, mugs
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  Speaker 1: from the mugs that were available for a short period
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  Speaker 1: of time. But now they're just like the remainder is
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  Speaker 2: Stuff exclusive artists in candles, Yes, made by yours truly.
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  Speaker 1: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't have a logo yet because I haven't gotten
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  Speaker 1: Have you made the candles yet, because do you have
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  Speaker 1: like a week?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have some made, but I might try a
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  Speaker 2: to see what my faves.
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  Speaker 1: Are, Okay, gotcha? Yeah, And then there's something else that's
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  Speaker 1: going to go along into like a little like a
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  Speaker 1: Wicked Box giveaway part of this on the night of
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  Speaker 1: it's my favorite thing as any giveaway we've ever done,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like also kind of the dumbest thing to
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  Speaker 1: ever give away. Is part of the Wicked Tree so
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  Speaker 1: if you look at our logo, that tree is actually
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  Speaker 1: a real tree.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's a photo that we took on our phone and
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  Speaker 1: turn it into a logo. So we actually took some
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  Speaker 1: sticks from those trees and put like certificates of authenticity
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  Speaker 1: along with it. So, yeah, that's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: little comp.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's super cool. We should actually, like we
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  Speaker 2: have a piece of the tree in our house.
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  Speaker 1: We do it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like a frame, put it on a frame or something.
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  Speaker 1: You know, thats a bad idea.
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  Speaker 2: I think that'd be really cool.
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  Speaker 1: That would be cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So this is a part two.
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  Speaker 1: Part two, Yes, a part to the murders. So you
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  Speaker 1: ready to discuss this to go into what happened and everything? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember where we left off?
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  Speaker 2: Vaguely, but god I know that. I was just like pissed,
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  Speaker 2: Like this case is just just a piss off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it gets worse. Trust me, you're going to be
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  Speaker 1: pissed with this case one hundred and ten percent, like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's absurd. But I will go over where we
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  Speaker 1: left off and last episode I'll give you guys a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a rundown. So we discussed last the Pettit
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  Speaker 1: family and the two individuals individual sorry Hayes and Joshua,
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  Speaker 1: who become partners in crime for committing breaking and enters
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  Speaker 1: in the homes of you know, like some well off families.
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  Speaker 1: Now their newest target was the Petits. Now the two
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  Speaker 1: broke in found doctor William Pettitt sleeping downstairs as he
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  Speaker 1: fell asleep reading paper or whatever, and they began to
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  Speaker 1: beat him over the head with a baseball bat before
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  Speaker 1: tying him up with zip ties to a pole in
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  Speaker 1: the basement. They then, from there proceeded to find his wife,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer and their two daughters, Hayley, who was seventeen and Mikela,
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  Speaker 1: who was eleven. Each one of them had their hands
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  Speaker 1: and feet bound and pillowcases placed over their head. Now,
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  Speaker 1: after all this, the two intruders proceeded to rifle through
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  Speaker 1: and rob the place and discovered that Jennifer had a
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  Speaker 1: bank account with a decent amount of money inside. So
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  Speaker 1: their new plan was for Joshua to stay with the
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  Speaker 1: family and hold them hostage while Hayes accompanied Jennifer to
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  Speaker 1: the bank to make a withdrawal.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right, yep.
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  Speaker 1: So at approximately nine am on July twenty third, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven. The two left the home and made
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  Speaker 1: their way to the Bank of America, and that's where
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  Speaker 1: we left off. And here we are for part two.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, dang, is.
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  Speaker 1: That like catching you all up? Oh yeah, and bells
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  Speaker 1: and everything?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good? So you ready for it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Gross?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry. I just cracked my knuckles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they heard that. If they did,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not into.
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  Speaker 1: That, Like I do it all the time, though, I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just if I ever cracked my neck knuckles, it's
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  Speaker 2: a mistake, Like I did it in the air.
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  Speaker 1: I do it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people do it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even notice when I do it. I just like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just do it. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: nervous twitch or something like this.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like it can't be good for you.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm no doctor. I am a true
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  Speaker 1: Crown podcast host, and I will tell you about this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I have been wait in a while. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So Hayes, the one who was driving the car
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  Speaker 1: and bringing Jennifer to the bank, pulled up the car outside,
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  Speaker 1: and they made an interesting choice. Jennifer Pettitt was allowed
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  Speaker 1: to go inside to the bank, so low alone to
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  Speaker 1: make the withdrawal. Now, apparently between Hayes and Joshua they
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  Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit and figured out that
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  Speaker 1: they they thought that if she were to go inside
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  Speaker 1: without someone accompanying her and withdrew the money, it would,
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  Speaker 1: you know, draw the least amount of suspicion.
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  Speaker 2: That just seems like such an interesting plan.
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  Speaker 1: Though it is. Yeah, yeah, Now, since they had her
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  Speaker 1: family held hostage, they assumed that, you know, she would
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  Speaker 1: do what they ask, which was to withdraw the money,
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  Speaker 1: not telling what was happening, returned the car to Hayes,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, return to the house and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we got the money and then so on. So far,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it, it is an interesting move. It's a
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  Speaker 1: bold move, honestly, like they.
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  Speaker 2: Have some confidence to them almost.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's confidence more than arrogance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, Hey, I think.
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  Speaker 1: It's arrogance, arrogance or ignorance, stupidity, Yeah, all of the above, maybe, regardless,
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  Speaker 1: it was regardless of the reason it was a bold move,
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  Speaker 1: let me just say that it was a bold move.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean she would draw the least amount of suspicion.
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  Speaker 1: They're right, but that's assuming that Jennifer does not tell
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  Speaker 1: anyone at the bank about the situation. Now, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't have anyone like right beside her, so.
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  Speaker 2: Of course she yea yeah, yeah, because her family, her
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  Speaker 2: loved ones are literally in danger at home.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, so why would she not tell anyone? Yeah, So,
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  Speaker 1: upon entering the bank, Jennifer approached the teller and kept
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  Speaker 1: as calm as she possibly could, and she didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to make any sort of scene that would give her
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  Speaker 1: away to Hayes, who was waiting outside in the vehicle watching.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure exactly now, the bank surveillance camera captured Jennifer's
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  Speaker 1: every move the moment she stepped foot inside, Though keeping
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  Speaker 1: herself as calm as she could, the footage showed Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: clearly anxious as she approached the teller. Now right away,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer began to explain to the teller of the situation,
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  Speaker 1: and the bank manager, Mary Lyons, who was quickly called over,
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  Speaker 1: understood the gravity of the situation. So she's all, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, you know, I got some issues at home.
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  Speaker 1: These people are holding my family and they need to
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  Speaker 1: withdraw money. I don't want to call a scene like
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  Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. And thankfully Mary understood, and
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  Speaker 1: she complied with the withdraw request and gave Jennifer a
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  Speaker 1: total of fifteen thousand dollars cash. As things with the
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  Speaker 1: transaction were being completed, Mary went back to her office
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  Speaker 1: and immediately dialed nine one one. Okay, good, okay, And
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  Speaker 1: I have that nine one one call here. Oh it's
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  Speaker 1: almost five minutes long, so bear with me, but trust me,
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  Speaker 1: it is worth listening to it all. Here we go
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  Speaker 1: measure emergency.
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  Speaker 3: My name is Mary lyons On, the banking center manager
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  Speaker 3: at Bank of America at one eighty five Highland Avenue.
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  Speaker 3: There is no robbery here, but we have a lady
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  Speaker 3: who is in our bank right now who says that
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  Speaker 3: her husband and children are being held at their house.
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  Speaker 3: The people are in a car outside the bank. She
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  Speaker 3: is getting fifteen thousand dollars to bring out to them
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  Speaker 3: that if the police are told, they will kill her
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  Speaker 3: children and the husband. Her name is Jennifer Pettit P
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  Speaker 3: E T I T. She lives at three hundred Sorghum
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  Speaker 3: Hill Road. She says they are being very nice, and
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  Speaker 3: they have their faces covered. She is pectrified. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: she wasn't going to call the police, but I came
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  Speaker 3: in my office and I did.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, she still is in the bank.
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  Speaker 3: Yes she is, Okay, her husband and face and I
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  Speaker 3: look at Yes, they're they're tied up. She said she's
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  Speaker 3: taking fifteen thousand dollars out of a credit line. They
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  Speaker 3: told us they wouldn't hurt anybody if she got back.
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  Speaker 3: There was the money. She believes them. She's I think
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  Speaker 3: she's walking out now, she's walking out. Now, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I will watch and see what kind of car she
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  Speaker 3: gets into. I'm in my office with the store with
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  Speaker 3: the lights off, and I'll try and see her. But
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to make anything work obvious. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Jennifer Pettitt, three hundred Road. Yeah, she's being held for
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  Speaker 4: her her husband.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, she said they're tied up.
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  Speaker 4: She said, did she say anything about weapons anything that
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  Speaker 4: she didn't?
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  Speaker 3: She said, well, she said no, I don't know. She
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  Speaker 3: said they've been very nice and she knows they'll loom
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  Speaker 3: after they get the money. I'm trying to look and
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  Speaker 3: see where she's gone. She went out and said, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't. Oh wait, I see her walking. Now, she's walking.
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  Speaker 3: She's walking there there, she's getting.
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  Speaker 4: In a car.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like it's like a gray suv.
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  Speaker 4: They pulled up.
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  Speaker 3: Now they're pulling out.
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  Speaker 4: Hers.
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  Speaker 3: No, somebody else is driving. Okay, they said, she said
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  Speaker 3: they drove her here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, the captors drove her to the bank.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they're driving. They're not coming out through the
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  Speaker 3: through the suppose. So they must be going out by
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  Speaker 3: this food Chi's restaurant over the seventy. That's where they
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  Speaker 3: must be going out. Now, he did vehicles. I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: They just pulled away.
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  Speaker 3: They must have been waiting for over and then they
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  Speaker 3: just pulled up and she just got it into it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I need to stand on the line for me. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: Bagmancher got.
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  Speaker 3: The police on the phone. Did you get the license plate?
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  Speaker 4: They asked me, Oh, sir, okay, I want to tell
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  Speaker 4: you what.
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  Speaker 3: How do unar? It was a christ of PACIFICA PACIFICA.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And my coller walked in here with me and said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I agree, it's amazing how calm she
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  Speaker 3: was so but but then again, she could have been petrified.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Okay, p E T I T yep, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: then put your back on hold.
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  Speaker 3: I'm what if, she continued, does.
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  Speaker 1: That uph.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm holding, yes, man, did you have h I
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  Speaker 3: want to tell you Mike. Teller said that she saw
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  Speaker 3: the driver. He had a black hood over, a hoodie
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  Speaker 3: and a baseball cap on. She couldn't identify him, but
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  Speaker 3: she did see that he there was someone in the
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  Speaker 3: car and he did have a sweatshirt over ted and
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  Speaker 3: a baseball cap.
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  Speaker 1: Blackfooted sweatshirt and a baseball cap.
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  Speaker 4: Baseball cap, white male, black male?
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  Speaker 3: Could you tell it was a white male or a
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  Speaker 3: black male Christians m Yeah, she seems white, but she
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  Speaker 3: can't it was She said it was definitely not black,
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  Speaker 3: but he was the driver.
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  Speaker 4: He was the driver. Yes, did anyone get the license?
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  Speaker 3: No, we didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I'm gonna give you a hold. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: look a messer.
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  Speaker 4: Okay boo.
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  Speaker 1: Boo'.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that was sort of mill drive. Correct, That's that's
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  Speaker 3: the address he had on the system.
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  Speaker 1: Yet, we're going to have a detective on the way
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  Speaker 1: to the bank of speak.
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  Speaker 3: You are right.
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  Speaker 1: So, after receiving the nine to one to one call,
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  Speaker 1: from the bank manager, who was incredible on that call,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, super calm, collecting as much information as
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  Speaker 1: they could, so phenomenal to them. The police quickly responded
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  Speaker 1: by setting up a perimeter outside of the Pettit home.
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  Speaker 1: Now they ensured that they kept their distance. They used
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  Speaker 1: unmarked cars, blended in the surrounding in the neighborhood as
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  Speaker 1: not to arouse any suspicion from Joshua or Hayes. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they did have a hostage situation going. They specifically told
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer not to contact the police, but we now have
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  Speaker 1: them contacted, so they're trying to make sure that that
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  Speaker 1: they didn't let them know that the police knew what
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: From there, they waited for a tactical team to arrive
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  Speaker 1: before making any immediate entry into the home. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: call made by the authorities has been very controversial, very controversial.
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  Speaker 2: One.
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  Speaker 1: There were hostages inside and people's lives were at risk,
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  Speaker 1: Yet they stayed outside, did very little outside outside other
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  Speaker 1: than secure the perimeter, and some people are a bit
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  Speaker 1: angry about that. However, if they advanced it could have
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  Speaker 1: put them at risk as well. Yeah, so it's a
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  Speaker 1: difficult call that the authorities made.
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  Speaker 2: It is and I think often in like hostage cases,
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  Speaker 2: they do sort of, you know, stand back a little bit, right,
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  Speaker 2: because they do. Yeah, it's a very difficult decision. I
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: can only imagine what do you do?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean they hesitated to engage directly because
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: they were concerned about the safety. They needed to coordinate
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the approach, They needed to figure out what the situation was. Otherwise,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: being too hasty could actually escalate and get someone hurt.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: So they chose to sit back. And that's kind of
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the situation. So Hayes managed to get back to the
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: home before the perimeter was set up. The perimeter is
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: now set up. Joshua Hayes and the family is all
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: inside with authorities surrounding the house in a casual manner.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: It's not really noticeable.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Well the whole thing too, I have to be like
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: even the nine one one call, like it all just
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: seemed so calm, like chill, oh it was. I just
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: feel like if I was that bang manager, I'd be
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: losing my shit. Well and even still like so good,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: like I'm meaning that in a good sense, like good
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: on her own.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jennifer seemed very cool. Yeah, Like the bank
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: manager was all like she could have been petrified. I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, seem very calm.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's amazing what people can do sometimes, right.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: When when you need to. Yeah, And I mean Joshua
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and Hayes were actually even described as being quote nice
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: through the ordeal as well. So as far as they know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: things inside the house were calm, which gave the police,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you know, all the more reason to like relaxed and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: bide their.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Time, right exactly.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: So what they didn't know though, is what was going on,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: is that it was going to change. Things that were
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: going on were going to flip soon. And then this
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: is whether they intervened or not. You see, Hayes, while
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he was at the bank with Jennifer Pettitt making withdrawal,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Joshua was at the home with doctor Pettitt tied up
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: in the basement and the two daughters, seventeen year old
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Haley An eleven year old Mike Ella. While alone in
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the home, Joshua would escalate the encounter. He took the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: opportunity that he had with the power he held over
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the girls and began to sexually assault and rape eleven
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: year old Mike Kella and took pictures on his phone
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: in the process for sick and twisted keepsakes.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: All the while, doctor Pettitt was bound in the basement
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and was powerless as he heard the screams of his
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: own masters.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that I don't know why, but that's on.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: That is unexpected to me.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's completely fucked up on fucked up because
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: he'd go from last episode we discussed their plan was
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to run and they enter this home and then immediately
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: beat someone with a baseball bat nearly to death. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: now we're going and raping a minor.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what the shit? I don't understand. I feel like
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: something had to have happened to just like I mean,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I guess at some point if you changed or you
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: escalate or whatever, right, but this just seems so drastic.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to talk a little bit about when.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Well I don't know if i'd say when, but an
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: indication that they were kind of planning this. Anyways, we'll
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: get there though. For now, though, Hayes had returned home
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: with Jennifer and things only got worse. Hayes claimed that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Joshua convinced them to take things further, but whether it
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: was pressure or not, their next move was certainly influenced
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: by the action. The actions that Joshua took while Hayes
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: was away, Jennifer was the next target for sexual assault.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: When she was home once again, Doctor Pettitt was in
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the basement of the house and could hear the screams
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: coming from upstairs, this time from his wife as she
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: was getting raped. Doctor Pettitt pulled at his restraints and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: tried to break the bonds, but it was no use.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: He screamed out for the individuals to stop, but they didn't. Instead,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: they yelled back down at him, quote, don't worry, it's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: all going to be over in a couple of minutes.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: My goodness. That is just like, oh, gut wrenching.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor Pettitt couldn't do anything to stop the horrors
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that were recurring in his home.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Can you remind me which one is the older one
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: of these two Hayes.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Hayes I believe was, if I'm not mistaken, forty four
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and Joshua was twenty seven or twenty four or something.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Like that, Okay, And Hayes is the one that just
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: wait raped Jennifer.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Correct and Joshua was the one that raped Mickella. Okay, yeah, now,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: doctor Pettitt listening to all this was powerless. He knew
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that he couldn't sit back and not try to do something,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: even though that he had been bashed in the head
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: with a baseball bat several hours ago and was suffering
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: from intense blood loss. And he managed to summon the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: last bit of strength that he had and used friction
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on the pole and his hands. With the last bit
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of strength he had, reefed on those zip ties and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: he managed to break his hands free.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Holy wow, good for him. That's actually quite impressive.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, now his feet were still bound, but he was
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: now free enough to be somewhat mobile, and he made
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the decision to make his escape, and he began crawling
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: out of the basement and headed to the next door
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: neighbors for help. He pulled himself across the yard, up
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the front steps and began banging on their door. The
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: neighbors were initially shocked when they opened the door. They
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: didn't even recognize their neighbor at first because he had
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: such a swollen and bloody face, but soon they understood
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the situation to dialed nine to one one at around
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: nine fifty a m.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Weren't the police already out there?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: The police were already out there, yes, but.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Kind of like discreetly or whatever.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they most likely did see him crawl over
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to the neighbors, but I mean that would have happened
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: within a matter of a minute or two. And they
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: dialed nine one one, and then it's like, okay, police
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: are already setting a perimeter. They're trying to figure out
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: what to do. But the police are also still waiting
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: for the tactical team to come in right now, Oh okay,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: So they're most likely holding their position and trying to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: get confirmation of what's really going on inside. And it
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: is unclear exactly when it was discovered that doctor Pettitt
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: had escaped from his bonds in the house, but Joshua
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: eventually did notice this and told Hayes. Hayes was apparently
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: still in the act of raping Jennifer when this occurred,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: but Joshua and Hayes began to panic. They now knew
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: they the cops were going to be after them, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in that moment, Hayes wrapped his hands around jennifer neck
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and began to squeeze until the life slowly drained from
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: her eyes and she took her last breath.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Panic seemed to sweep through the whole house, both from
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the daughters who just listened to their mother get murdered
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and the perpetrator who lost petrators, i should say, who
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: lost control of the situation. Together, they grabbed two cans
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of gas from inside the house and doused Jennifer's lifeless
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: body laying on the living room floor with the contents,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: as well as various parts of the house, including the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: daughter's bedroom where they were tied up. Surveillance footage later
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: actually revealed that Hayes had purchased ten dollars worth of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: gasoline in two gas cans that were taken from the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: petted home from a nearby gas station at around seven
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: am earlier that morning, which indicates that Hayes had left
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the house to buy the gasoline, returned with the cans
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: back to the home before making Jennifer to the bank.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Despite their escalating panic, it appears that setting fire to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the house had been a part of their plan this
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: entire time.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it was not.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: In the moment escalation.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: No, and the police wouldn't have known this, I guess, Hey,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: it was like later.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: That they It was later through investigation that they discovered
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: this footage and the purchase of the gasoline and everything.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, because that would sure, I feel it could have
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: changed some things, right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: If they knew. But how would they know? It's just
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: someone buying gas. It's all that anyone knew, right, Yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: but no, in hindsight, this is one clear premeditation HM.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So the two individuals continued to pour the gas on
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the Pettit sister's beds, their clothing, and once the cans
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: were emptied, Hayes and Joshua lit the fire with the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: girls still tied to the beds inside the home, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: they fled the scene. Flames quickly engulfed the in side
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: of the home, tearing through everything in its path. Both
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Haley and Mikella would unfortunately succumb to the devastating fire
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and would ultimately die as a result of smoke inhalation.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Haley did manage to escape her restraints and ran into
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the hallway before collapsing and dying near the top of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the staircase. She suffered third and fourth degree burns on
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: her feet before she died. My goodness, gracious Mikella was
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: found still bound and tied to her bed. Joshua and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Hayes fled the house unharmed, thankfully. Those shit oh yeah,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: they are yeah, don't get me wrong. They're fucking pieces
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: of ship through and through now thankfully. Though the house
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: was surrounded by police, there was a perimeter set up.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: As the flames spread through the home, the police were
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: already beginning to close in due to the second nine
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to one one call place by the neighbor, and only
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: about ten minutes later, at around ten am, they found
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: themselves face to face with the individuals fleeing from the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: scene in the Pettit family vehicle. They attempted to drive
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and bash their way through a police barricade on the road.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: They smashed the car into the side of a police cruiser,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: hoping to move it aside and gain their freedom. However,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it was useless. Police were able to quickly apprehend both
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Joshua and Haze from the smashed vehicles, and fire rescue
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was now being called to deal with the flames pouring
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: out from the home that they had just lit and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: left behind.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we gotta be thankful of this gosh.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: That they got caught and they got caught. Yes, that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: is the small silver lining in this situation for sure,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: But I mean they the shit that they did. And
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: part of the reason why people are so upset with
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the controversial controversy on the police not entering the home
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: is a lot of this shit happened while the police
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: were still outside, right, So you had Jennifer Pettitt being
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: raped and murdered with the police standing outside the house
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: not doing nothing. You had the two girls being doused
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: in gasoline, the house being lit on fire, with the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: police surrounding the house doing nothing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, like they all died anyway, right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So exactly. But the only thing is the police did
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: not know the police had information that they were given.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: The information that they were given was everything inside. They
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: were acting nice. They just wanted money, would be left alone.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So the police were biding time assuming that they're still
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: being nice and everything inside.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Well, because didn't Jennifer. I feel like Jennifer at the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: bank said that she was sure too that once they
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: got the money that like they would leave exactly. But
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: that was not the case exactly, And I just realized two,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: holy shit, the dad, yep, is that the fucking neighbor's house. Yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: watching this.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll touch on that though.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Oh goodness.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So the interrogation of these two fucking assholes, of course
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: quickly began, and it's no surprise that they both, these
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: both spineless individuals, tried to pin the blame on each other.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: They both did confess to the murders. I mean, how
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: could they not really, but they each claim that the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: other was the mastermind behind the whole thing. Of course, Yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't they, right, Well, no, he made me do it. No,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: he made me like, yeah, fuck you.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It's very obviously they're not like good people.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, through and through. Joshua also also claimed that when
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: he did assault eleven year old Mikela, he believed she
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was fourteen or sixteen years old, which doesn't make it
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: any better whatsover.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: No, like, not at all.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: No, it's like, oh, she's she's eleven, she's underage. Well
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I thought she was still under age. It's a little bit.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Old, a little bit older years what the fuck? Oh gosh.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I feel like he's like the Grinch
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and I wouldn't touch him with like a thirty nine
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and a half foot pole. So the situation like, you're
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: fucking disgusting now. Forensic testing results on Mikella's remains showed
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that there was bleach on her clothing that she was
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: wearing at the time, which indicated that he most likely
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: tried to eliminate any DNA evidence that was left behind
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: from the assault to cover his own ass. Really, yes, However,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: he could not deny it because the photos that were
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: found on his phone with his genitals poking in from
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like the side of the frame of the photos and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: stuff with Mikelle in the frame.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gracious, the fact that he just took
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: photos of this, I know, is just I mean, it's good,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: it's I guess it's good because now he's going to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: be charged with this because otherwise they.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Made time there was evidence.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but oh my goodness, Yeah, No, that's.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: A small silver lining. Is It's good that there was
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: evidence to prove it. But it's still fucking discussing. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, if that wasn't bad enough though, too. Joshua
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: actually directly blamed doctor Pettitt for the murders of his
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: own fucking family, calling him quote a coward in his diary,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a diary that would later be used in evidence during
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the trial.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: How do they think this?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Basically, like he's like, oh, you could have stopped it,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: but he didn't do anything to stop it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, Like two people, two males are breaking into your
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: home while you're sleeping and then tie you up and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you do manage to get free, which is like a miracle,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: but like you're a coward and not doing anything about it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, regardless of his fucking writings, doctor Pettitt couldn't have
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: done anything to have saved his family. You wanted to,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: which he did want to.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, and he was in the process of
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: fucking trying.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So now, doctor Pettitt did in fact survive this incident,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: despite his very severe injuries and significant blood loss, and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: would be the only surviving member of his family from
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the incident. His physical recovery involved extensive medical treatment with
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: while his emotional recovery was a whole different story. He
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: too blamed himself for the death of his wife and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: two daughters. He struggled with the choice that he made
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of escaping from the basement and going to the neighbors
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: for help rather than heading upstairs to try and protect
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: his family himself. Facing the perpetrator's head on. However, in
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: his contention, his feet were still bound and he was
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: seriously seriously injured. I mean, he was like bleeding out
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: because he was on blood thinners.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Remember this, right, I forgot about that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, he would have been absolutely no match for anyone,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: even if he fucking tried.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: They would have just killed him instantly.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would have been crawling on the floor. And
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: how is he going to fight two individuals?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so at least he's going outside to try to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: get some help.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, it just like breaks my heart though that he's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: blaming himself.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And so, as I mentioned, it was premeditated that both
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Joshua and Hayes intended to burn this place down with
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the purchase of that gasoline. They both already beat him
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: nearly to death with a baseball bat, raped two out
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of three of the women inside, And if he did
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: make the difficult choice to attempt to confront the attackers
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: instead of seeking help, it's clear he too would have
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: been burned in that house with the rest of his family,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and he would not be alive today one hundred percent.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah. But I mean, gosh, like I just feel
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: so bad for him, because to move forward from that
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: is like, it's just almost on him.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in the shoes of that. Yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine the struggles, the thoughts, obviously the depression
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that's going to come alongside it, but wholeheartedly not his fault.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah, there was nothing that he could do.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Now. Thankfully, with the support of his remaining relatives and counseling,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: doctor Pettitt was able to make full recovery and is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: living a full and happy life today. It was difficult,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: but he did get remarried and actually even had a son.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Oh really, hey, yes, okay.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Now. The trials of Hayes and Joshua for the Cheshire
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: home invasion murders were a very highly publicized and deeply
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: emotional event, drawing extensive media attention due to the brutality
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of these crimes. The trials included crucial evidence such as
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: testimony from doctor William Pettit himself, Good gathered surveillance footage
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: from places such as the bank and gas station where
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: they bought the fuel, forensic now and confessions from both perpetrators,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Joshua's diary photos taken during the assault. Now Hayes faced
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: charges including six counts of capital felony, three counts of murder,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: four counts of kidnapping, one count of arson, and multiple
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: counts of sexual assault and burglary. The trial began in
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: September of twenty ten, and Hayes was found guilty on
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a total of sixteen counts on October fifth, twenty ten.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: As a result, Hayes was sentenced to death on November
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: twenty seventh, twenty ten, but after connecticut abolishment of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: death penalty in twenty twelve, the sentence was changed to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. As for Joshua,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: he faced similar charges, six counts of capital felony, three
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: counts of murder, four counts of kidnapping, and additional charges
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of sexual assault and burglary. His trial commenced on September
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in September of twenty eleven, resulting in a guilty verdict
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: on all seventeen counts on October thirteenth, twenty eleven. Joshua
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to death on December ninth, twenty eleven, but
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like Hayes, his sentence was changed to life imprisonment without
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the possibility of parole following the abolishment of the death
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: penalty in Connecticut.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Those are good, pun like, those are like thank you
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: for that. Yes, Like they're still in jail, which is yes, forever.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And they are being held at different facilities. Hayes is
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: currently incarcerated at the State Correctional Institution Benisher Township and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I just fumbled that, sorry, the State Correctional Institution Benner
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Township in Pennsylvania, whereas Joshua is at the State Correctional
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Institution Phoenix, also in Pennsylvania.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I honestly that just makes sense, Like that makes sense,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: but I would never even thought of it. But yeah,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: they would have to be. Yeah, those two together are like,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: oh terrible.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: It's like mixing shit and piss. Yeah, yeah, worse now.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven, prior to the convictions and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: everything like this, the Pettitt Family Foundation was established by
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: doctor William Pettitt in memory of his wife, Jennifer Hawk Pettit,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and daughters Hailey and Mikella Pettitt. The foundation's mission is
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to honor their lives by supporting causes that they were
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that were important to them and that reflected their values
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and interests, such as education, chronic illness, advocacy, and violence
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: prevention and victim assistance.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that's so nice.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Eh, that is the story of the Schescher murders.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Hm. Wow, that is like that's a pretty brutal one.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like that is really up there.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: For we flew through that second part.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Actually I just realized, wow, yeah, well still like holy shit, though, that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Was you take it all in.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like the loveliest of families, right, So
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: it just I don't know, it just makes you kind
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: of think a little bit, like, holy shit, no one
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: is safe from like terrible people if if they want something.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Right, all it took was in part one, we discussed
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Jennifer taking Mikella to the grocery store, and Joshua just
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: so happened to be at the same store and said, hey, the.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Fitting targets because too, Like I also feel like at
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the grocery store, like I don't even know if I like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you're not paying attention really right to know the people
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: around you.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I don't even trying to avoid eye contact.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I know, like sometimes you have to run grocery stores,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: you do run into people, and so I'm always like
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: in and out, like it's like one place I don't
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: love running into people, but I don't think that. I'm
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: usually pretty observant, I feel like of my surroundings, but
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: just thinking about this at a grocery store, I'm not
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: sure I really am.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I think you're mostly distracted at a grocery store.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a task you're in there doing. Everyone's just
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: minding their own business, generally speaking. It's in and out.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: You have a list you're I don't know, checking which
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: bananas are right y not, or which cookies are on
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: sale or what's the date on the milk, and like.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: You know, awesome. So one place that we couldn't have
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: our OCD and anxiety going fucking crazy now is just change.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, oh honey, Bunny is up and like, okay,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: that was quite the story.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The dogs are are a little anxious in this storm,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that's for sure.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, okay, that would have been like a
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: brutal want to research, Holy heck it was.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot to this. I feel like each part,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Like I think like part one was only like fairly
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: over half an hour, and I think this part's probably
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: like the same. I feel like it could have been
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: one episode, but like I had so much information for
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: this I think I just was on a mission and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: just like blew through all the information so fast.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I know, I was just very like anxious to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: hear what the fuck happened. I was just hoping that
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: that there would be more survivors of course, right.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but unfortunately there wasn't.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, good for him too for being able to
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: like move on, you know to some extent, because that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: is just.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, terrifying, yeahing haunting.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like just the trauma of that alone, I don't
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: even quite you don't know, like it'd take a lot
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: of work to get through that, right.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It would, And I honestly would imagine he's still struggling
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: with some of the today.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: May those two fucking rot because holy shit.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they deserve to never ever ever see like the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: outside of a prison ever. Nope, And I would be
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: surprised there. I mean, they can't be enjoying themselves in
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: there because they like were rapist, right and like killed
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: children and stuff.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: So it's still mind boggling to me though, how they
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: they flip that switch so so quick, like going into
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: this this house, they knew they were going to do
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: some of this stuff because one of the first things
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: he did was nearly beat someone to deathly base all that,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and as far as I'm aware, they were just breaking
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and entering before together. Right, Yeah, So did they go
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: into this house knowing or did they just like get
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: in saw the situation and it just fucking escalated in
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: that moment when they got the bat in their hands,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and then from there it just went out of control
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and they're like, fuck, yeah, let's just do whatever because
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we have that power and we're just drunk with it now.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, that's another thing that doesn't make any sense
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: to me, No any sense, because it almost seems like
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: something would have happened because we did talk about them
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: getting like more and more confident confident.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, definitely they were getting more and more confident
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: because Joshua was kind of like all like ninja mode
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: and shit breaking into places, right because he liked to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: fucking stare at people and move shit in their house,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: whereas Haze was like, hey, we can do that and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: make the big old ink from cashing in on stealing
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: their shit. And as they developed their the little team,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: they got that confidence. But that confidence, for some reason
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in this case turned into arrogance drunk with power. I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: don't know, idiocy. For the murderous rage, I don't know
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: how to describe it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: You almost feel like it is just was it. It
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: just kept going kind of thing because some of the
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: things they did, though, didn't seem like there was like
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: super thought through either.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Right, No, definitely not. I don't think they were super
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: thought through, but they were definitely premeditated by definition.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: But I think lots of them were premeditated when they
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: were within the house though.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, but the premeditation can be like thirty seconds. Yeah,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: that's they thought about it. It wasn't just a reaction,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. For the gasoline, they went out,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: purchased it, brought it home, then several hours later used
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: it to light the house on fire. Joshua, while Hayes
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: was out, seized that opportunity and assaulted Mikela.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: When Hayes came back, then it was Jennifer's turn.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think to them just seeing that they
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: didn't have much that they were going to make off
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of this house, and then they did come across like
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the bill or like the statement or whatever, and then
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: went to the bank. So it was like, yeah, I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: just think it was an escalation kind of like just
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a real shitty one.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It got out of hand fast. But why it got
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: out of hand because nothing else ever got out of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: hand in their other incidents.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Well, they always got things here. They were probably thinking
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: they were going to get a home bunch of stuff
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: You know, they they were about to get fifteen grand.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also didn't, like I feel like this
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: family knew them, like they might be able to identify
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: them in sorts.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: But before they even knew they weren't going to get anything,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: they had already beaten doctor Pettitt nearly to death with
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a baseball bands.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Right right, Okay, but maybe I'm just saying too. Maybe
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: if they came back got the fifteen grand and the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: one I can't even remember which one it was, Joshua
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: hadn't raped the girl, maybe they would have just left.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: But it was like that's like because there's like DNA
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and like that's a real real bad thing, right.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But he probably thought he's gonna get away with
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that because the bleach situation.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know, But then maybe the other guy was like, no,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing? And then so then
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: he took the opportunity and I don't know.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It's a whole fucked up thing, and it doesn't make
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: sense why it escalated the way it did. But the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: fact remains they did it with intent, and that's fucked The.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Fact remains that these two are the biggest pieces of shit.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Oh they're douche canoes. Yeah, they're thorough douche canoes. And
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I do want to say that doctor Pettitt is the
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: badass of the day for breaking those fucking bonds, crawling
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: across the lawn, living through damn near bleeding out and
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: getting himself to safety and calling nine to one one
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to save his family.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and he too. I feel like, you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: she needs to take some credit to for the sentences
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that they did get because he was there, right and
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: he like testified in court and stuff, definitely, which would
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: not have been easy.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: No, So, definite badass of the day going out to
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: doctor Pettit And hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode. Hopefully
• 44:30
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• 44:33
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• 44:35
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• 44:37
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• 44:48
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• 44:51
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• 44:54
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• 45:02
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• 45:05
  Speaker 1: there looking good on camera, because that's.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: That's all I do. That's all I'm here for.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: That's what you're doing right now. That's all I'm saying.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not looking good on camera right now.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: There you are.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. That's a flat out line.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: No, no, I don't even have makeup on or anything.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I really probably the first time we recorded, I think
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I probably set a bar, and since then it's just
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: been slowly dropping. I'm not kidding.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I just didn't give a fuck to start with. So anyways,
• 45:35
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• 45:38
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• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Time, stay wicked