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Construcción Plural - Programa 1160 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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  Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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  season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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  Listen to him on radio train topic. Our President was Argentina Nation, Dr
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  Rabriero Mirey good Presina Hello everyone. There is no stabilization plan, no good,
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  but the delay to change and here there is a problem of currency arrears.
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  It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the twenty- four thousand.
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  Good. It' s very little motasia. There is already a lot
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  of equatoria, but you are not liberal. There were taxes how about the
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  province not, but if he knew one more three hundred sixty five times and
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  gives me three sixty s he can not last. If there' s no
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  video and there' s not you who invited me to be Federo you Fideo
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  Cotuk. They want to know how the economy is going to grow, it
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  ' s going to go up like a diver' s fart, but there
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  are no anchors. Or good, because there' s no comprehensive plan.
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  But you should set the path. This is not a liberal government because it
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  did not release the drug. Not because there' s a changed appreciation.
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  I have changing appreciation, but good freedom that not few is great, that
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  great our intergalactic leader. As a good afternoon, how will you be with
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  Javier Miley, who charms us with his humorous opening. Grosera chabacana almost every
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  program with the friend Juan that puts him on the air good fifteen thirty-
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  five we begin a little bit before today to overcome the period the last judge
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  that we were not thirteen degrees pro there wind you are very, very fresh
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  to see if we conform, has its methodological. He speaks a degree here
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  in Federal capital. Saturday and one ten and Sunday zero thirteen, Sunday worse
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  than Saturday, are the minimum. Well, then the subject. If there
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  is sun, no, there is sun, something void, similarly null,
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  slightly void and rain or not covered. So, well, the weekend comes
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  pre- school and the pit. But well, here we are in plural
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  construction with a blu that collapses after the closing of one thousand three hundred,
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  develop one thousand three hundred seventy, I believe touched one thousand three or one
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  thousand three hundred sixty, touched one thousand three hundred eighty and below seventy-
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  one thousand three hundred sixty five plummeted in the nine. So, well,
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  here we are in a little while, chatting with Camilo ti Cornea, then
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  Dr Juan José Waresti, then again with friend Gustavo Ferrari Wolfelson. While they
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  disagree, he asks me for the sum. So while I' m talking
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  to you, I' m gonna remind you and I' m gonna ask
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  you to agent him. Okay, let' s end with partners you'
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  re not going to give our first interviewed full review of the economic agenda.
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  The dollar is the first concern. What about the dollar? The CFC attack
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  was for personal purposes and not to benefit any political sector.“ Sabbac montiel
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  O,” the man who crawled on his head said to him. Then,
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  Vice President, Cristina Fernández, who had started the trial. For everything,
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  what has to do with this issue the basis is how it is tomorrow.
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  It is played in Congress, after which it is realized because it goes
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  the small letter, the basic law on the part of the government, the
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  government without law that will already have its law. And there' s also
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  the presidential debate in the U S, the first debate between Vide and Trump,
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  the two geeky base laws is how the vote count is in deputies and
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  what the Peronists the government is targeting. The last thing just, the hour
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  off. It continues to break record because it rises, according to analysts,
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  or I get to know the audios of the bar of Argentina Chile, a
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  Mapuche group and jismo blocks access to a deposit of IPF Newken and paralyzes the
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  production of gas. Let' s see, let' s see, where
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  am I going? Where am I going? Lula da Sirio are the subjects
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  of liguez. It will be with the old analog system almost of newspaper covers
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  will be one of the axes surely of tomorrow' s stages. Lul This
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  was early today, but well, Luna la Silva criticized my law. He
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  must apologize to Brasilia. He said a lot of nonsense to me, son,
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  like he wants to be the leader of the world. Well, the
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  government responded. Argentine Lula through his spokesman decorated adormic forgiveness the President did nothing
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  that has to be repeated. Something we' re talking about. A little
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  while with Don Tiscornia, who is already entering the c as ilevable. He
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  said it not Tiscorne, but Carlos Melconians, juiso for the attack cepe Carlos
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  said just sad Montiel showed a sign says I am kidnapped. He says his
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  leg is clear, and he' s on the bench with two other copies.
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  Copitos well that we are not going to touch the topic of Marina calabreo
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  Rolando Barto Vano, that is also there among the main ones in infoba the
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  reitero then the blue that then is netted with yesterday is that it touched thousand
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  three hundred eighty low, now thousand three hundred sixty five, six plume Fernando
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  plume counted with likey thousand thirty thirty- nine. I' m not saying
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  I miss it. It' s not the first time it' s happened,
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  but usually the one counted on like is usually above the blues, so
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  the lue is quite strong, quite firm. And the memp and third on
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  the list, in one thousand three hundred and twenty- six River Vais how
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  it is under a little bit. It is also a zero point seventy is
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  at a thousand four hundred thirty quite high. Don Camilo you run half.
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  Good afternoon, how are you doing? What' s up? How you
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  doing? Armando well, very well. Thank you for your attention. Well
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  to see fifty percent gap one would say this height of the government of my
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  law long six months, that a dollar free at almost one thousand four hundred
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  one counted per liquiy There, between one thousand three fifty four hundred should not
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  be anything unusual. But the subject, as always in these issues, in
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  this is read this instability to the tida and that we have seen that it
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  has earned it and in form the inflation from which it had been losing month
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  by month in the blue El. I also counted on like in May and
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  June. I' m not saying in a short time, he' s
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  gone up. Not how worrying this is. No, of course it'
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  s worrying. Evidently, there has been a pretty strong deteriro in the last
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  month and peak if we go in half over, I would tell you deterioration
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  that until that moment the level I say of this financial part, which is
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  the one that was saying the issue of the gaps that we were with a
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  gap of between fifteen and twenty. No, yes, in mid- May.
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  Evidently, skillful dero very important in this last month and fifty percent is
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  in the very big gap. No, no, it' s not something
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  positive at all, because, logically, first the gap persists, because the
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  trap persists. It' s clear, very clear. The Government, the
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  zero moment, has chosen its strategy to keep the stocks until it can correct
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  certain things that give more peace of mind to open the good. The truth
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  is that with a gap of fifty percent obviously, thinking about opening up an
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  esopo right now is very complicated. So, obviously, things are. They
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  ' re complicated without a doubt in the middle. Well, that' s
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  always a President, a management that denies a foreign exchange delay, which we
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  ' ve already talked about. But well I want to re- update your
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  opinion a feme that once again and what' s usual, pushes in some
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  way for an improvement in the exchange rate we talk, obviously not to feel
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  it less betrothed of the officer. Not when we talk about a devolation,
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  an improvement in the exchange rate, that closes the issue a little bit.
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  Obviously, that' s how to get out of or, how to devalue.
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  Eventually, how to improve the exchange rate, since it does not vary
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  taxes in that sense, generating the replica in the least possible inflation, which
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  is a very important flag, obviously, along with the fiscal anchor of the
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  millay management No well, I there would say things money. The government'
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  s strategy is clear, because I' m talking about all the money,
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  they want to try to avoid having to devalue, that is, jump at
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  the official exchange rate, trying to lower taxes to try to improve competitiveness.
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  On that side, I wouldn' t rule out that I can make the
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  way. I think it' s the way. It seems to me that
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  the speed and timing of that is going to depend a lot on what ends
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  up, coming out of this famous tax package that is being discussed in MPs
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  now, if the government can reimplement profits and change, make changes in personal
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  goods, well, I think it will have more scope for in any case,
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  those tax breaks that would somehow help improve competitiveness without the need for band.
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  Now, but who can sar left me in posts. We have already
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  spoken as a camel, sorry, the interruption because the country tax is these
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  Lindian at least that is a gradual dismantling of the CEPES. We will talk
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  about it now, but I say the country tax, for example, which
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  does not give what in the collection, will not go down until December at
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  least, as it is stimulated. No, no, I don' t
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  think that' s necessarily the case. In fact, the government said that
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  obviously, if you approve the tax package based on it, you start to
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  lower the fucking country in half. Not now at the end of the year.
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  So there' s a lot of dimming going around, but in what
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  sense only for imports, I say I' m going abroad, I'
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  m going to continue to pay the tax on tourism, for example, and
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  so on, I' m not saying it' s that far, no,
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  no, no, but how is it that ten percent drop would be
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  only for imports, because not stop the country tax when you go abroad and
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  even with a card, for example, I ask clearly, exactly, but
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  what that implies so much. Also this logically, from the point of view
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  of the costs of a company that has to buy imported things, to go
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  down quite important, which for one for an exporter is quite relevant that they
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  can lower the country tax. Obviously, lowering the burden of the country would
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  mean that the information is cheaper, which would further complicate the competitiveness of sectors
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  competing with imported products. Yes, that is the path that the Government proposes
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  as a way to improve competitiveness without having to resort to devaluation. To go
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  back to what I was saying before the subject of evaluation, the proposal for
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  evaluation. You have to understand a couple of things. First is, after
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  the evaluation, how inflation turns out This is the first central issue and the
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  other is to explain when you ask for devaluation, we understand that to evaluate
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  is to lower wages and increase the prices of all those things that are linked
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  to the exchange rate, starting with food, so, when you hear the
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  complaint say no, but the cost of living is very expensive people become impoverished.
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  We have to understand that to devalue, is to increase that theme,
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  not that that has to be clear. No, I don' t agree.
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  What happens is that you let it artificially delay once more than Argentine history,
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  the exchange rate, not just looking for an anchor. An anchor would
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  change for inflation, among others, and the fiscal. Well, that'
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  s it. There' s the famous theme of what the exchange rate would
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  be. In Tito, the change is late. No good that you don
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  ' t think it' s late. You don' t think he'
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  s late. The officer. I don' t think you' re that
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  late. I think you' re fair enough, but I don' t
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  think they' re that late. I don' t think you' re
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  doing what Argentina, if it were organized economy that doesn' t have fiscal
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  deficits, can solve the famous issue of sepoque that I think is the most
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  complex issue. It seems to me that not with super habita at the level
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  of foreign trade and eventually with the prospect that you can increase your exports from
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  the series of sectors that are clearly identified. I don' t think you
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  need an excessively higher exchange rate than you are now, the moment you tell
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  me. But the gap, the gap that reflects this fifty, gra twenty
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  or fifteen, the gap has much to do with it. First, with
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  which the Government I believe it may have rushed down to the interest rate,
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  which is a fairly important issue and which there is no doubt that there is
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  an expectation of evaluation. No doubt because the big issue here I think is
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  the liberation of the sepo, the big issue of the liberation of the cepo
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  that if you have to open the Cepo, at least for now, obviously,
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  that you will face the risk of the exchange rate jump, and the
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  government that wants to just try to do things to avoid having to open the
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  cepo with a big leap of the exchange rate, because I think the gap
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  has a lot of speculation with that and obviously, it is not something that
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  will be resolved immediately. The German already said that they are not willing to
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  open the Sepo until the conditions they consider necessary are in place. The breach
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  wouldn' t take it. Don' t give him that. The issue
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  of currency arrears is not necessarily one. The breach. It is not the
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  most precise measure of delay to change the. The gap has a lot to
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  do with financial issues. Of course it is also reflecting speculation on the issue
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  here from the point of view of competitiveness. That' s what would be
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  the official exchange rate you have today adjusted for inflation. That' s the
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  way you tell me the issue of backwardness to change me about some level that
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  this is the big discussion. It' s such that he thinks the reference
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  level is very high, for telling you something I don' t know what
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  can be taken as a reference. Some take what was there when the Government
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  ripped off and devalued. Imagine on December 10 the level you were left with
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  in terms of competitiveness at that time. Some people think that would be normal.
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  Okay. I think that' s not normal and that' s the
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  situation of a kind of exchange that we obviously call very competitive. But then,
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  what ends up happening when you exaggerate with that kind of change that eats
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  you inflation, I think it ended up happening later. Logically, if you
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  go at the other end, for example, the levels of era of mastic,
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  and yes, I think you are while the exchange rate good, today
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  still depends on mine you take are fifteen percent above that moment, then where
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  is the just level of this hard to know. Obviously, we' re
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  coming up with quite critical situations, but I don' t think the currency
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  lag is as big as some want to mark and as the gap seems good
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  to see I just happened to mention I think it was already connected. Well,
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  now he' s gone way down, but Melconian has said this way
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  an interview. He is therefore upliftable beyond the figure of Melconial. I throw
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  him out as an economic agent, beyond the name itself. And, on
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  the other hand, storinfobiy Here just changed the com and says dollar. The
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  government could raise the interest rate of its letters and offer the market a bonus
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  with coverage. Change and economy is to carry out a placement of up to
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  six billion pesos with the CAP and an onlad Linked title. The FM asked
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  that you have cups that pay the pesos above in inflation, that is,
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  positive cups against everything in the negative that came to be this whole issue,
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  especially to liquefy let' s say the quasi- monetary saying that the Central
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  Bank had is irritable. Cepoli is upliftable without a new deal and disbursement.
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  You are eight, ten zero billion and this will not immediately be on the
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  part of the Monetary Fund. How is the topic, Dry, well,
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  notice, you that mine are mentioning to me what I told you just interested
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  you, the interest rate plays a very important role. Indeed, the government
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  maintaining the government' s quota, which, as I say to you,
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  was primarily aimed at solving what you just said about the Central Bank' s
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  debt problem, allowed the government to send a lower interest rate than inflation,
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  which is obviously what you can play against, as is now happening in terms
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  of the gap. So he already said this caputos a few weeks ago that
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  they understood that he had ended the period of interest rates lower, than inflation.
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  So, indeed, you are already seeing the negotiation, that there are
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  the letters of the treasure that interest rates are rising. That' s a
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  component that can help contain the gap and, in any case, narrow this
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  difference that obviously such a large becha makes it very difficult for you to get
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  out of the trap. Now again, imagine that you raise the interest rate
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  and you manage to contain the gap and the gap is broken again. So
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  the question is what would be the exchange rate that would have to be more
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  or less reasonable, because defending one that was unreasonable would not make much sense
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  either. While I think I can make maybe a little higher than the one
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  I am now insisting on. I don' t think it has to be
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  a higher madness. What happens is that every day it happens that this cannot
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  be corrected. Obviously you have the tendency to delay, because while inflation has
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  gone down and a lot of us in the consultant in six we believe that
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  this month in June it may be a little lower than five, which would
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  be higher than the one in May, but logically it remains greater than the
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  two percent to which it moves will enter official then, obviously, as far
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  as inflation is concerned, do not go down and get even closer to the
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  two tenests than that trend. However, already the difference between nimulation and devaluation
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  seems much more narrow. So I think you have room in the government to
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  continue working on trying to build confidence, on the other hand, and to
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  avoid having to make a value. But I' m going back to what
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  I was saying before the evaluation would also be, the misfortune I have to
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  evaluate because, logically, it' s going to lead you back to a
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  leap from inflation. Actually, it wouldn' t be a good measure.
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  You have to get to that. There comes a time when, when the
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  exchange rate is too late, you really don' t have another. But
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  it' s not a good measure. But you who are not the situation
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  that you warn or see right now, so we are delayed, so,
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  in your opinion, going down, for example, in positions countries and so
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  on, you continue to part or continue without devaluing. For now. I
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  think that' s what the government is going to try to do Do you
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  think it' s healthy? Do you think it' s healthy? It
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  shouldn' t be the best look. It seems to me something that is
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  also within the experience of other countries that have gone through this kind of process,
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  of this division, where there is a tendency, especially in the initial
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  part, for the exchange rate to go back. Now, the way after
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  trying to solve this is to get to the point that this is what I
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  recommend the Monetary Fund, because here too we have to read better what I
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  did the Monetary Fund. The Monetary Fund does not necessarily want a devaluation of
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  the Fund which speaks more of flexibility in the exchange rate than it does not
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  necessarily. We need an evaluation in the sense that the Government will control and
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  put a new higher value of the dollar the Fund what you want that in
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  Argentina the exchange rate flower That is the destiny that the Fund wants for Argentina,
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  which is far away from what was the original idea of my law to
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  even dollarize, but that is what the Fund then wants to reach that situation.
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  I think that would also be more desirable in favour of that, but
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  you have to have very well controlled the issue of inflation and you would have
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  to move forward with the issue of Seco, which is still missing. I
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  think that it is very important for the tax side to keep moving forward in
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  showing that the government can keep the tax side under control and that it is
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  not just that one day it postponed payments or things for it so that'
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  s very important. Well let' s see so that in that moment you
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  can there, in that context, you can have a little more bending the
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  exchange rate and that, in any case, you don' t necessarily have
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  such a big inflationary impact. But today I think that' s not the
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  case for now. As I passed on, okay, as I passed on
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  this one, I said two and I asked you again. First, Melconia
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  beyond Melconiana, I say Juan Pérez says or some list says it is liftable
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  and on the other, some notes are translucent. Some official spokesmen let it
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  come to light that my law will have said. I do not need a
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  disbursement from the fund to get out of that pot, which a priori seems
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  complicated to see two opinions on these two points. I wouldn' t take
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  any more money from the bottom, I wouldn' t take any new pictures.
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  But you can come out that you can get out of the trap ten
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  Luke eight, Luke five, Lucas of bronchus. Sure, it doesn'
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  t stop, but I say, but let' s think little. I
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  ' d take it, but you can get out. But the moment here
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  is what needs to be resolved in Argentina. The problem is if the government
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  manages to balance the part of the accounts we would call the treasure you have
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  a voice all this famous problem, but there are still the Lelicks that have
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  now been reconverting more these other things that they call the Puchs and they were
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  safe associates. Pablo Santos is an uncertain mountain. More or less by telling
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  you something it can be twenty, zero thirty billion dollars. So you'
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  re not going to get that amount of plant, and even if you get
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  it, I say what you' re going to do, you' re
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  going to take external debt to finance that politically horrible. It' s horrible.
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  Well that' s why the one who asks to take the silver the
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  mon ber background. And you' re asking that because a different thing is
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  that you had as a country, for example, by telling you to see
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  so you can have imagine that in Argentina we had a hundred billion dollars of
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  reserves. You can open the epocus like you have Christ to do whatever you
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  want, they won' t run you. But if you with that amount
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  of money, you bring it what you' re asking is that they use
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  it to just finance it. Leliqui and don' t have to validate it
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  with a jump of the exchange rate to that good Mames Macre, at the
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  time said kuso as the bottom thing to use it, but as to give
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  a signal of two leaders and others you will be able to end up using
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  the island took it forward exactly then, imagine more of the economic discussion,
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  the political discussion. This is the famous issue of financing debt- related capital
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  flight. I believe that the Government does not have to go into that in
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  any way. No way, I mean, here' s the problem with
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  the lelites. And this is solved in two ways. One is because you
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  have, obviously, the famous devaluation you' re asking for. You open
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  the dry and the devaluation takes place. So with that, logically, you
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  ' re going to have a spike in inflation and you' re going to
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  litigate what' s left of the law problem. That' s the river.
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  The issue is beyond the discussion about competitiveness. It is a question of
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  how you solve this problem of excess money created for the previous government. That
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  is the alternative and the other is that you can, which is what the
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  government is trying to do. Doing things in such a way that if you
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  have to open the Sejo, don' t have that cumshot, because in
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  the long run, if you could reprocess in some way, that' s
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  somehow the system, because people believed. That is what the government is trying
• 22:00
  to do now to bring in dollars to cure the process and hand over the
• 22:06
  dors for that. I think it would be a bad solution. It seems
• 22:07
  to me that if the Government cannot do things in order to have the necessary
• 22:11
  confidence, I think that at some point it will have to pay the cost
• 22:15
  that the type of change has to be sincere in order to process that.
• 22:18
  That excess of money you' re putting in the economy, but taking on
• 22:21
  external debt. I didn' t do well. Well, I was saying
• 22:23
  June down five percent, top of the four, two, four and peak
• 22:27
  that he gave May. I was asking him again I throw a name,
• 22:30
  but no, not just to refer to me, not because I put any
• 22:34
  pressure on him to think about a name of a colleague of yours himself.
• 22:37
  I think he asked Ferreres a rather skillful question when he told me something similar
• 22:40
  and asked him last week, Orlando and from July let' s say because
• 22:45
  beyond this court, in the slowdown in June, starting in July, Orlando
• 22:48
  asked him I would see a number closer to the four and peak of May,
• 22:52
  or closer to the five or six that he told me about June.
• 22:55
  From July he said no. Fernando, I think we' re going to
• 22:57
  see a number closer to June until it breaks the deceleration that the fourth and
• 23:02
  peak of May asks you. You' ve been the same since July.
• 23:04
  What the party would be like is that I think that first you have to
• 23:10
  understand ok the June inflation would be higher than the others. Yeah, why.
• 23:12
  Well, a lot of it is because public services increased. Then say
• 23:18
  good And forward, how it goes. Okay, but don' t look
• 23:21
  at yourself. But the thing is, not for once. Or it'
• 23:27
  s not for once, but not necessarily. All increases are going to be
• 23:30
  just as important every month and if inflation keeps going down, they have to
• 23:36
  go up. It' s actually getting less and less. So the inflationary
• 23:40
  aspect of that is getting smaller. Then what if you get the public services
• 23:42
  part and see what happens? There has been no major change in June.
• 23:47
  In fact, they would tell you a number of things. The intention kept
• 23:48
  coming down. Then call questions forward. Inflation can continue to fall. Yeah,
• 23:52
  I think it can keep going down more slowly and, obviously, it
• 23:56
  ' s going to be influenced by the time the government shoves marcel points.
• 24:00
  But I don' t think there' s an impediment, some kind of
• 24:03
  floor that won' t be able to pierce the administration. Not that,
• 24:07
  I don' t think so. Yeah, I think there may be ups
• 24:10
  and downs and the downs are going to be getting farther and farther. I
• 24:11
  have no doubt. Now, obviously, you have that the way to implement
• 24:15
  a devaluation with is no longer going to be completely yes, of course,
• 24:22
  well, what happens is that to see we know that the first one is
• 24:26
  greater. Adjustment, let' s say we have seen it all took place
• 24:29
  in food, in goods and in what is most delayed today it will delay
• 24:32
  services. And that' s why it' s like the second phase,
• 24:33
  in the second stage, they' re talking about it. What is transacted
• 24:36
  by inflation, not h are services and what a little bit of that doing
• 24:38
  is good, not just, but the weight they have in the mention of
• 24:42
  the infringement is, like you, greater is that of coming clear, it
• 24:45
  is the same thing that has the food that it has. Thus, just
• 24:48
  as they have been so late in the calculation of the CPI, public services
• 24:55
  have little to do with it. The weight of curious food services is above
• 25:00
  thirty percent. That is why, even if you tell me the government is
• 25:04
  going to continue correcting rates and with quite important numbers, the inflationary aspect of
• 25:10
  that is not as high as you are going to go beyond that, obviously,
• 25:15
  the one who has to pay directly will not feel much more directly logically,
• 25:21
  because, as there are different universes of users and not all have increased
• 25:26
  the services, in the same way, there are some who are most delayed.
• 25:30
  These, of course, the most backward segments when the increase comes to
• 25:33
  them so that there is a much more important percentage moment than perhaps in the
• 25:37
  average of what would be the rate item would not be so important and even
• 25:41
  less important in the average of all the inflation of all the prisoners. How
• 25:45
  you watched this new chapter of Argentina' s fighting asset and the Fund now
• 25:52
  with my law undertaking the contra of the director, who is not a charge,
• 25:55
  except for the Western Hemisphere, which is a Chilean Waldes. Let'
• 26:00
  s say the whole São Paulo Forum, apart from accusations and founded one another,
• 26:03
  not Fine News, but good. I' m not going to get
• 26:07
  involved in the political game that the prisoner does is not right, but whatever
• 26:11
  the relationship with the Fund or an actis of that, let' s say,
• 26:17
  I would separate things. As on many issues of this, the President
• 26:19
  has a way of driving that will have to see why he does it,
• 26:25
  I suppose, that he has managed to have how to manage the power and
• 26:29
  he will have to do it. I' m not gonna think about that.
• 26:30
  On the subject of the Monetary Fund, I believe that the role of
• 26:33
  the Monetary Fund in general has been quite bad. Then I recommend the things
• 26:38
  the Fund and the positions it has personally take them with tweezers. I'
• 26:45
  m staying a long time. On the technical side. We can discuss when
• 26:47
  the Fund talks about numbers nearby, what would be reasonable, exchange rate,
• 26:51
  what would have to happen to aspical politics. That' s perfect, but
• 26:55
  there are certain things that aren' t very relieved of the point of view.
• 26:59
  I' m talking about it. When the Fund shows concern about the
• 27:02
  social sustainability of the adjustment or the quality of the fiscal adjustment and, however,
• 27:07
  evaluate all the things that the previous Government did, it seems to me
• 27:10
  that the Fund loses a lot of credibility, beyond the fact that, obviously,
• 27:14
  there are people who indicate the Fund under its economic positioning, which represents
• 27:18
  financial interests and things like that. But without falling into that subject. With
• 27:21
  this alone, I would tell you that the Fund' s view of these
• 27:25
  issues is quite controversial. Some speak of a stage we are going through or
• 27:30
  closing and others would be after balancing to have an economic program. We talked.
• 27:34
  I remember with you, I asked you. Some say this is just
• 27:38
  adjustment and the acroeconomic program is missing. You were telling me this. I
• 27:42
  remember, this was part of a program You' re thinking about following this
• 27:47
  reasoning. Let' s say yes completely. I think I' m going
• 27:52
  to borrow here. I remember there is no shortage of a stabilization programme.
• 27:56
  You were saying, no, here' s what we' re seeing.
• 27:57
  It is part of totally for me so here I am going to take this
• 28:06
  pre- state of Ricardo Arriazo, who is an economist who I have just
• 28:11
  heard and presents and explains very well the same thing that I think exactly these
• 28:17
  issues. In Argentina, these crises require two things to be resolved. A
• 28:22
  short- term issue stabilizes macroeconomic variables and has long- term implications for structural
• 28:26
  reforms to improve productivity and competitiveness and economics. I think it' s those
• 28:32
  two stages. The government' s got it back. Sure. I believe
• 28:36
  that all this discussion of the basic law, all that is talked about regulations,
• 28:38
  these kinds of things that the government has thought about for what could be
• 28:41
  a second stage, that the famous Sturzenegger Rol, which is still not entirely
• 28:45
  clear, I think points to that second part. The other part is the
• 28:51
  first part, which is what we' re going through. What happens is
• 28:53
  that, as he rightly says, Arriazo, you can' t get to
• 28:56
  the second part without having it figured out. Then we' re on the
• 29:00
  move. That' s it yet. That' s not solved. I
• 29:03
  personally believe that the course you are taking is correct. I think there are
• 29:07
  costs. It was hopeless, absolutely the recession, the increase in unemployment does
• 29:11
  not escape the international experience in any way, with which everything is within the
• 29:15
  foreseeable. I' d even tell you less serious than it could have been.
• 29:19
  It has brought back to me the evolution of course, because it does
• 29:26
  not seem to me as relevant from the point of view of historical experience,
• 29:30
  the behaviour, for example, unemployment, which is a subject that has come
• 29:33
  out here, it seems to me that, within everything, it has not
• 29:34
  been as serious as it could have been, or could have been the drop
• 29:37
  in inflation. I think he' s reacting pretty well. Obviously, what
• 29:41
  remains key here is to resolve the famous theme of the stocks and that is
• 29:45
  also closely related to the changing stroke. That' s a very complex problem
• 29:49
  to solve. It is the great challenge that I believe that the only one
• 29:52
  for me now, when criticisms are made, for example, that fifty percent
• 29:56
  of the just and the achievement of the different minor or older superbis falls on
• 30:00
  retirees and on getting public with the excuse that there was corruption, that surely
• 30:04
  that I had asked for it, but not because already corruptive. You have
• 30:07
  to eradicate something, you have to perfect it, use it fucks up that
• 30:11
  fifty percent of the fair falls on public works and tomorrow, hopefully there are
• 30:14
  no problems on an unpaved or unfixed route or trains that we already saw and
• 30:18
  above all on our old people, on the retired, what you answer looks.
• 30:23
  This is an expense dantonto, it' s an objective fact. Let
• 30:27
  ' s say no, no, no, no, no, and all
• 30:30
  if you take five months of public spending and compare tax results and compare against
• 30:34
  last year as a percentage of the baby and first half of income adjustment and
• 30:38
  half of income imposed by spending and half by English and goes beyond simply the
• 30:42
  issue of turkey payments, because it is also contemplated. There were payments that
• 30:49
  were not made, but not that everything was repeated. So the first one,
• 30:52
  half the board, goes by entry to the other half ba by the
• 30:55
  water. Inside the expense. You have that part, which is about a
• 30:59
  third of that fair, has to do with the share of social benefits,
• 31:02
  pensions included and companies. That third is what weighs the item. That'
• 31:08
  s where I' d say it wasn' t proportionally more on retirees than
• 31:14
  on the rest of them. And if you think about the dynamics of the
• 31:18
  year, it' s going to be less and less proportionally the cost paid
• 31:22
  by retirees, because the government is starting to adjust already since April, you
• 31:26
  ' re fairly on top of inflation. So, logically, if you look
• 31:30
  at what happened, yes, especially in January there was a greater adjustment on
• 31:33
  the part of retirees. When time goes by, that goes to lose weight
• 31:37
  in the size of the master. And, on the other hand, if
• 31:41
  you have to complain about the cost this has had for retirees, let us
• 31:45
  remember that the Government did what it did was respect the formula that is in
• 31:51
  force that comes from the previous Government. So, in any case, the
• 31:52
  approach might be no, you could have found another formula might be, but
• 31:56
  the formula that was in force from the previous government and even more if there
• 32:00
  was really so much in politics But no? No, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 32:01
  no. No, no, but prepared there was a return in the
• 32:06
  middle of you. He has the subject of evaluation, not the subject that
• 32:07
  killed him, not the formulation, in liquation, but valveration. But what
• 32:14
  was required by law was how much retirements had to be adjusted in March.
• 32:21
  What the law told you. Well, I don' t know. I
• 32:23
  don' t remember anymore. For example, there it suggested that a government
• 32:25
  formula, put in place by the Government of Alborte, should be adjusted.
• 32:30
  Yeah, yeah, they modify the others then yeah, yeah. That is,
• 32:31
  no, it is that the Government did something specific to plan particularly for
• 32:37
  retirees. It was necessary to make the correction that had to be made and
• 32:39
  the formula that existed was the one that was in force by the obvious,
• 32:43
  before. Now regardless of that? Regardless of that? I believe that if
• 32:47
  there was really interest in politics, not just in the government, to isolate
• 32:52
  the retired from that perverse formula what should have been done reasonably, that is,
• 32:58
  in the retired eyes. We' re not gonna touch what we'
• 33:01
  re gonna play. But that' s the part that none of the politics
• 33:04
  talk about. It is better to hang on to the problem of retirees,
• 33:08
  but no one wants to assume that you have to get resources. On the
• 33:10
  other hand, in any case, if you wanted to protect the retirees,
• 33:14
  because simply to claim that you want to improve the situation of the retirees,
• 33:17
  but the context of current Argentina does not decide to take out the money.
• 33:21
  It' s total irresponsibility. Or you don' t think so. You
• 33:23
  don' t think it' s anti- distributive. The issue of the
• 33:25
  loss of personal assets has obviously put a money laundering incentivizing what I am,
• 33:29
  but I say it is benefiting something we talked about already you had told me
• 33:32
  that you believe that the best tax was profits. I believe in the moment
• 33:35
  to unify there, but I say the ones who have the most are getting
• 33:37
  down. In short, the tax. You' re going to see these
• 33:45
  issues growing every time. Yeah, every time he makes you the first five
• 33:47
  hundred people, it' s the same thing. So, logically, pay
• 33:51
  more for the one who has the most. We totally agree. Now you
• 33:53
  ' re clear to that person. You probably charged him the profit tax and
• 33:58
  paid more because he had higher income and then you keep charging him on what
• 34:04
  the guy accumulated and has saved that already phago matters to the profits. Every
• 34:07
  year they charge an ipota which is quite high for what is usually the profitability
• 34:12
  they can achieve at this time. Right now, then I say it'
• 34:16
  s okay you can do it. Now you' re also going to have
• 34:20
  a cost when those capitals aren' t coming from your country or they'
• 34:22
  re going to try to get away from your country. Obviously there is an
• 34:23
  issue of equity turning around, but it is also an issue of efficiency.
• 34:28
  In that sense, I think it would have advanced with other kinds of things,
• 34:30
  the famous fireland regime. I do not think it is necessary either and
• 34:37
  other things that could be done or reduced more expenses or suddenly put the other
• 34:42
  guy willing, for example, taxed on profit. In other words, the
• 34:44
  same people who are worried about retirees voted last year to lower the profit on
• 34:47
  a political issue. So, to see that kind of political game, which
• 34:53
  is very clear political, is understandable. You have to understand that economically it
• 35:00
  has costs that nobody wants to pay later, obviously. But it' s
• 35:02
  a cost. So people who hit their chests for retirees, the vast majority
• 35:07
  of them seem to me to be touchy hypocrisy in this context. Amilo,
• 35:12
  thank you very much, Greetings, hug, big camelotic corneo, director of
• 35:17
  six d economic advisors or columnists in our program is not cute and the long
• 35:21
  talk in plural construction. At the opening of this Wednesday' s program we
• 35:25
  are going to go to the delay pause. We' re waving to Dr
• 35:29
  Juan José Goresti, quick review of TV signals that are going to be drink
• 35:32
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• 35:37
  minor, as the nation more of Chico loa says do not investigate the possibility
• 35:39
  of a living crime. Fourteen currents in the temperature in the nation plus twenty
• 35:45
  - six channel the investigation for the death of the French actor is closed.
• 35:49
  We' re talking about Don Chandler, because we were part of everyone'
• 35:52
  s lives we knew chronic TV. We are working together with the Paraguay police.
• 35:58
  Uncertainty is growing. What happened to Loan, says graph C. Five
• 36:01
  n can be held in pre- trial prisons where LOAN is 13 days missing.
• 36:07
  It refers to the detainees. Not for this cause to twenty- four
• 36:13
  loan the chat that changes the cause. Not always these fecto strikes. Now
• 36:15
  there' s a chat that changes the cause. Well, I mean,
• 36:17
  before there was a very image audio. You' re going to tele transfer
• 36:22
  deputies to federal jails. Loan hunt day three, sixteen, seven, fourteen
• 36:25
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• 36:30
  Government, material from Congress, important for the world if it wants to live.
• 36:34
  This is what we like to follow international politics and politics. For the
• 36:37
  first debate, where yesterday our friend who we' re going to talk for
• 36:40
  a while liked outside, the Wolfison, said he thinks he' s going
• 36:43
  to win Trump. Well, he' s going to Trump. Tramp Vai
• 36:45
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• 36:50
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  friends. Well, well, well, here we are in plural construction.
• 37:50
  We' re going to save Dr. Juan José Guareste, as Juan José
• 37:52
  told them, good afternoon, how it goes well, very well. I
• 37:55
  ' m good, I' m glad. We talk a lot about economics
• 38:00
  with chameleon tickle and now I think you' re going to play some economic
• 38:04
  people too. We talked on the way to the exchange rate. Now I
• 38:06
  ' d like to hear it from you not that you' re going to
• 38:08
  talk to me, I think of your look at the exchange rate that we
• 38:14
  ' re obviously talking about the officer you' re feeling behind, not completely,
• 38:16
  yes, completely behind. And that' s almost an Argentine curse,
• 38:22
  because back again, the same thing happens with different say, different politicians or
• 38:32
  different station organizations. It' s a tremendous thing and that' s what
• 38:38
  for me is great elements that have caused Argentina to back down noticeably because giving
• 38:46
  people the exchange rate reached, that is, cheap flying and expensive weight.
• 38:53
  Let' s say in general terms, they make us not export, as
• 39:02
  was historically argued in moments of glory for Argentina. We cannot forget that in
• 39:07
  a thousand eight hundred ninety- nine, when the coin is created bound,
• 39:13
  let us say the Gold one thousand eight ninety- nine was president of the
• 39:20
  Doctor and General Roca. From then on, in Argentina it has an enormous
• 39:24
  economic importance, very important, and so it was even good, until the
• 39:34
  revolution of June 4th in a thousand nine forty- three, in which,
• 39:37
  unfortunately, it is a revolution that was rather inclined to the world of pascism.
• 39:45
  But wishing on the side of that, the truth is that there is
• 39:51
  at this moment is wrong, because we have, we say has issued a
• 39:57
  decree by which the lolaravador or the sopeo was established eight hundred pesos And this
• 40:04
  and from there there there is more an indexation of two percent monthly. And
• 40:10
  it turns out that inflation that the price level, we say, was rising
• 40:20
  much higher than that two percent. So having spent the time of change,
• 40:24
  and that the exchange rate is something fundamental. It' s not just about
• 40:30
  the economy. It is almost day the essential, because it is the value
• 40:34
  of the coins, truth is the currency in terms of international and in local
• 40:38
  terms. Also not because the value of the currency is given by the amount
• 40:44
  of goods or service that is purchased with it. It is not there all
• 40:49
  the identity of the currency, that the Argentine currency has completely lost value,
• 40:55
  the Argentine currency almost and that has ceased to be not so much. But
• 41:00
  let' s say because we must not forget that one of the elements of
• 41:07
  the currency is its ability to save, to make an element that can save
• 41:15
  with that currency. And now you can' t do any of that.
• 41:19
  But going to concrete, being completely past the economy and what happens when this
• 41:24
  is crazy. There' s no book, there' s no work.
• 41:30
  I was on the liberal side, so to speak, of the communist side,
• 41:37
  too, so to speak, where we have. Explain that I do
• 41:40
  not know how to expect countries to export and the more they export, the
• 41:49
  more domestic productive capacity increases. You' re not here, he says I
• 41:58
  put in more and it didn' t happen. No, it doesn'
• 41:59
  t matter any more, I' m sure it increases domestic economic capacity.
• 42:05
  Internal economic greatness. I do not know if the word greatness is the internal
• 42:12
  economic dimension, the more it matters, the more it occurs inside and if
• 42:15
  you are going to do it inside, all the phenomena occur that everyone knows
• 42:23
  that if the number of companies increases, or the size of the companies increases,
• 42:28
  or the people who intervene in the markets increase the occupation to fight unemployment,
• 42:38
  that is the people who do not have without work one of the elements
• 42:45
  exports. That' s not what I' m talking about I' m
• 42:54
  not talking about things that are great and things to be there right now,
• 43:00
  and we' re talking about what' s the way out, so,
• 43:04
  as I don' t know before, I' m going to change,
• 43:09
  I think that' s obvious and that we share what' s the way
• 43:16
  out of evaluating and the social cost of that, what would be the way
• 43:16
  out of stopping you, what would be the way out of stopping you,
• 43:16
  what would be the team to take on the economic reality, because it'
• 43:16
  s the economy, it' s a science, the cilla, the truth.
• 43:19
  You' re not the money line. You can lie, stick with
• 43:22
  it, but to hol in the longer or longer term, the truth appears
• 43:28
  throughout your employer. If Barda' s word doesn' t like me,
• 43:32
  I' d like to take on the economic reality, take on what'
• 43:42
  s really wrong with the weight and, once we' re scared, what
• 43:45
  its real value is going to be about the economy. Let' s end
• 43:47
  this, from this situation so close to hunger you are in every day companies
• 43:53
  appear that are closing or talking about stocks. Well, no, no,
• 43:59
  not in a moment or fixing people to leave. That can' t be
• 44:06
  done. If you want to have a strong friend, why don' t
• 44:09
  we learn from what happened that I already told you when I started. That
• 44:15
  ' s why, for a thousand eight hundred ninety- nine. Then I
• 44:17
  created the Argentine coin two twenty- seven one of gold and or forty-
• 44:30
  four pesos against one of gold that created it in one eight hundred twenty-
• 44:34
  nine when it rocked. There was actually some devaluation. That' s the
• 44:40
  truth. There was a bristial pulse to sell more outside. And that brings
• 44:51
  a multiplier effect. I' m not talking about it that way you won
• 44:55
  ' t keep things. No, the export has an effect a very multiplier
• 45:00
  of the inside, because notice all the things that Argentina does not contribute or
• 45:08
  all that could export you, but no, or the amount that you should
• 45:14
  contribute. But no, you tell him Waritti, the cause of inflation in
• 45:20
  Argentina. And all that is not just monetary problems. There are others too
• 45:25
  that I agree with, but we cannot invent problems and we are inventing a
• 45:31
  problem. That' s what I' m saying, because it' s
• 45:36
  not easy to get out. I share the delay, but obviously it is
• 45:37
  not easy at the exit and an evaluation would imply more loss of the purchasing
• 45:43
  power of the worker, the worker, the retired. No. On the
• 45:45
  other hand, I am talking about an adjustment of the situation. Well,
• 45:52
  there' s my friend, you can name him whatever you want, but
• 45:55
  he' s good. The type of change will be devalued. John can
• 45:58
  put the good me as well as those who, in short, but it
• 46:02
  is not the idea of such a devaluation, no more laugh than not.
• 46:07
  Well until the other one will go down The other one that has the other
• 46:12
  one is to lower the post we talked about it just on the way to
• 46:14
  Ticonia. The other one would compete. The other is to achieve competitiveness.
• 46:17
  It' s a tough longer road through tax cuts, let' s say,
• 46:22
  and I don' t think it' s good, yes, of
• 46:28
  course, but to lower taxes to my discretion, you have to do it.
• 46:30
  You have to do many things internally that I understand that some are being
• 46:35
  done and not doing things that have been done in the past, but there
• 46:39
  are some that are not being done. And I' m gonna do a
• 46:44
  little bit, a number, but I' m really sorry. He does
• 46:46
  a little time writing an article saying that the economic problems of the country that
• 46:53
  is made of bullin normally in executive power and then has the legislative power,
• 47:00
  has nothing to do with these problems Argentina, for example, at this moment
• 47:05
  would not read you in budget to give him something like that. And there
• 47:08
  ' s another thing inside the legislature that I' ve had enough of for
• 47:15
  years and now I' m going to put it wrong. I said arming.
• 47:19
  You know how many employees the legislature has. You know how many people
• 47:24
  don' t go or go little. And yet, if you bread brilliant
• 47:29
  salaries splendid, we have not spoken of cool and good. But then we
• 47:36
  have to take very good care of the means of government to lower prices,
• 47:44
  to lower taxes, because where the terrible positive situation of Argentina' s expenses
• 47:52
  and expenses in what expenses, in dikes, in roads, in ten,
• 47:59
  in disc channels between universities, of high. One of us didn' t
• 48:08
  do that in Argentina I' ve been throwing away the money. There is
• 48:14
  a statistic that speaks in the years where the previous government and previous party was
• 48:24
  said the number of people occupied in two million people. And that was good,
• 48:36
  not in a lot of articles. Just that he meant me for the
• 48:40
  truth that I' m a problem that always asks for it. Sir,
• 48:50
  you can' t appoint public employees, but you give first consideration to that
• 48:54
  about your oneness. I' m talking about general, but that' s
• 48:58
  the way it is. I remember general goal chart when he was in France.
• 49:05
  Then they can immediately grab it. First he did was put an administration
• 49:12
  alcohol, goa' s public admiration and we all know we see that no
• 49:17
  rules are met. What are the rules of the people who designate who goes
• 49:23
  forward, who present themselves demonstrating their suitability. It is not so life,
• 49:31
  life how it was made in Germany, so powerful that when there were the
• 49:37
  proposed kings and that was famous for the suitability that it had in its public
• 49:43
  atmosphere and when the Normans took over England from Rios in one thousand eighty-
• 49:52
  one thousand and one thousand fifty. That' s where they bring their rules
• 49:59
  into my administration, because, on the other hand, it was a scandal.
• 50:02
  Then they started ordering, ordering the public administration and ordering the public administration
• 50:08
  whatever it is, wants efficiency for everyone, so we have these problems.
• 50:17
  But I had been told by this government that it came with great promises of
• 50:27
  many things to enter. I told you, gentlemen, please, that the
• 50:30
  decree has to come and put the unique examination into the identity of those who
• 50:38
  join the government, forgiveness is incorporated into the public service here and in the
• 50:45
  provinces and municipalities forget the power. It says in a broad term. In
• 50:52
  Argentina, the power to carry out power, the powers to be oral,
• 50:58
  the provincial powers and the municipal powers is divided. Where the exams are.
• 51:04
  No, then we have to start already from these six months that have passed.
• 51:07
  It' s a long time for me. I don' t see
• 51:12
  that, of course, that I' m half the same as this one
• 51:20
  listening to me to do those tests needs examiners and that' s not that
• 51:23
  easy, but it' s not that easy? Of course it' s
• 51:24
  not that easy, but when do we start? You saw that May or
• 51:30
  a thousand or so, as with all the difficulties of the casso, the
• 51:35
  National School of Administration was instituted. Where is the School of Administration of Argentina.
• 51:42
  There must be some, I have no doubt, but where it is.
• 51:45
  That the designation by the decrees of all of them to be incorporated and,
• 51:51
  moreover, to all those who have not given any sort of examination,
• 51:58
  I could apply to them. I think article 16 of the National Constitution should
• 52:05
  be applied, where they said that all Argentines are equal with the exception of
• 52:10
  the only difference is that of the golden. Article 16 and where is it?
• 52:15
  The demonstration of the ioity of all people who have joined the public administration.
• 52:21
  You wouldn' t have to at least start taking a test for some
• 52:25
  or all of them or find a way to find them. He wants to
• 52:30
  be more capable and they want not is not and I, for me there
• 52:37
  are many things about economic aspects that, of course, that I am in
• 52:40
  favour or maybe, I am not, but we have to make an exemplary
• 52:49
  public administration, but there is not going to be such an easy and exemplary
• 52:53
  way out. I think because the competent increases production and the incompetent discourages it.
• 53:02
  That one. That experience is so obvious that it would look so much
• 53:10
  like what I' m saying, because the bottom line is a truth that
• 53:15
  everyone knows but where' s the test? I don' t see that.
• 53:20
  For example, there are institutions that have examinations, if, for example,
• 53:23
  the police that have examinations and to see their idioms and good and obviously,
• 53:32
  a policeman knows many things, because I don' t have to study
• 53:42
  or remigo or their being controlled. That as an example, but there are
• 53:45
  many other things also because, for example, the other one I' m
• 53:51
  going to put out an article in the song that I put aside, I
• 54:00
  picked it up and I took it as I don' t say how I
• 54:04
  own it, because I put the name of the anti- Christians. For
• 54:05
  example, we' re going to the Senate. You can believe me and
• 54:10
  you hardly believe that there are several worse sones that have thirty- five advisors,
• 54:19
  thirty- five advisors, one, there is one with thirty- eight
• 54:25
  in the average gives like seventeen or eighteen advisors per senator. And that'
• 54:32
  s fine, advisors that once without the articurist Grimaldi was called or true.
• 54:47
  But anyway, it makes me that when the senators, the current senators,
• 54:57
  were asked, I' m talking about all senators that what specialty went through
• 55:07
  each of their sansores know that only seven percent responded. It' s not
• 55:16
  seventy- two sonators. They' re not math and we' re going
• 55:23
  to keep it that way. No. No, no, no, no,
• 55:24
  you can say there like this and besides, the number of employees,
• 55:31
  how many ports there are in the library of Congress. Yeah, we haven
• 55:37
  ' t talked about it, let' s not go back. The question
• 55:37
  of the type of changes per lot we have not talked about, not pomos
• 55:40
  tes, I do not return it to good blomas. But what exculators for
• 55:44
  so because, well, you can' t pull out the impontos, the
• 55:50
  reporting that there is Argentina the imputes to the export when you should of a
• 55:54
  whole case you open up that export. Then and why you have those taxes,
• 56:00
  because the flippers you have, these expenses that I was somehow doing to
• 56:04
  the dam. Let' s say then I want to lower taxes. If
• 56:10
  I want to pass a pomento, this too and temporarily all the people come
• 56:15
  interested too and how they do to work taxes. And you have any amount
• 56:17
  of employees you have to pay and that employees on your merits, they'
• 56:29
  re getting the pay they' re getting or they' re getting an extra
• 56:37
  that doesn' t really have the merits needed, the merits I want are
• 56:43
  given with that money. I believe that here all this needs to be completely
• 56:45
  reviewed, whether it is the economy, because it is essential, but it
• 56:52
  also makes public management of things a public gift country. Well that sense,
• 57:00
  that the economic part that I wanted to deal with today well, well,
• 57:07
  basically is clear. That' s where we already circulated it on Twitter social
• 57:13
  networks that you started pointing out and reasserting it let' s say to go
• 57:16
  synthesizing. We live again an Argentine curse of having the official exchange rate.
• 57:21
  Obviously, when we talk about the officer' s delays, not the parallel.
• 57:23
  The financiers are the blues completely behind, so we lost exports. The
• 57:29
  Argentine currency continues to lose value, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
• 57:32
  et cetera. No yes, t but we also lose a good level
• 57:37
  of employment, not production. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah? Well,
• 57:40
  yeah, she says yes, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 57:43
  We' re in the job, we' re in the job, and
• 57:45
  you can see that. Argentina has to have good employees, wonderful employees.
• 57:52
  That' s what Argentina needs and then it' s going to work the
• 57:57
  taxes and it' s going to increase production. We need to increase production,
• 58:00
  not lower it. Now you with the figures that appear, that'
• 58:06
  s why we' re lowering production. Not one. That' s terrible.
• 58:10
  We have to increase production. For example, it is not possible that
• 58:15
  the people of Eukenno, Mendoza, San Juan, etcetera, were buying me
• 58:21
  in Chile what I live product that what the archetype does, right, Juan
• 58:28
  José. Finally, I was asked to see that you have a call on
• 58:31
  Saturday. They didn' t ask me to pass the ad in quotation marks.
• 58:38
  He' s making a call for Saturday. He didn' t tell
• 58:42
  me anything. Juan José, it was cut ah it was cut. It
• 58:47
  was cut well, I' m ready not because there was a meeting that
• 58:51
  I, unfortunately, can' t attend because of a family issue, but
• 58:53
  that is organizing. Juan José thought there was him. It seems he told
• 58:55
  me, Juan José, to close and before dismiss him, that you are
• 58:59
  making there a meeting of friends the Saint a difficult family theme, but that
• 59:02
  you are making a meeting on Saturday that we spend the visit. Yes,
• 59:07
  what you are going to see fundamentally is some kind of homage forefathers of my
• 59:17
  family who have followed the services to the homeland and great republican courage. Not
• 59:22
  in vain to enter my house. We have to pass next to the Argentine
• 59:25
  flag. Well, I' m inventing to pay an example, coming from
• 59:32
  a lady who was Patricia Argentina, Martina Silva de Gurrucha, who General Belgrano
• 59:40
  on the salsa battlefield made her the victory, made her captain of the Argentine
• 59:47
  army, the Northern army, and why, because he ties everyone with a
• 59:53
  small army of his own that this lady had. He blamed the Spaniards at
• 1:00:04
  a high point and ended the result of reporting salsa. Right there and others
• 1:00:12
  who have done extraordinary things, but who were entangled in four families, each
• 1:00:20
  of which served the Republic. And well, I have been educated, as
• 1:00:24
  you have brought him up, in the service of the Republic, but not
• 1:00:30
  from here. There we have a duty of affirmation of the homeland. It
• 1:00:37
  ' s very important. That matters very much, that it is very important
• 1:00:43
  to look more important than the whole economy and all economic levels. We can
• 1:00:47
  be on patriots who made it said. Anyone who knows history, you well
• 1:00:52
  know that this is where desert there was nothing and that, but all those
• 1:00:58
  patriots of Sarmiento Roca bel San Martín Moariano Moreno did appear. Mariano Moreno.
• 1:01:04
  It is impressive that the rich and much seen has read us the repretation where
• 1:01:09
  the succeeding Mario Moreno, then explain a thousand things. Come on, Jose,
• 1:01:15
  my friend, thank you very much, good afternoon and an Embrace to
• 1:01:17
  all. Embrace you. Juan José Waresti, grandson here under construction, proof
• 1:01:22
  of our collaborator. Before it was viaticornia you see in the plubality. I
• 1:01:27
  didn' t say Camilo a minute ago. I don' t see a
• 1:01:29
  marked currency lag and Juan José sees the opposite. Some Argentine curse of what
• 1:01:32
  to be resident in who has export stuff, production stuff, employment stuff,
• 1:01:36
  and he' s in favor. He doesn' t want to take him
• 1:01:40
  to a devolation, but he' s in favour. Let' s say
• 1:01:43
  a retouch the official exchange rate. When you talk, you talk from behind.
• 1:01:45
  Obviously, talk to the officer, not the genescieros, for the shoulders
• 1:01:47
  that are almost approaching the minicothers. Okay, we' re going to a
• 1:01:52
  new break. After that we' ll surely be connecting a little one to
• 1:01:55
  zom yesterday. We' re talking about Mexico. Today we will talk more
• 1:01:59
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• 1:02:08
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• 1:02:12
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  all right, sixteen, thirty- three hours to greet the Gustavo sweep
• 1:02:54
  Wolsons now with the Argentine shirt going to Chile. I don' t know,
• 1:03:00
  I don' t get it, I didn' t hear it,
• 1:03:04
  but I was watching a series about a German dressmaker. I wasn' t
• 1:03:06
  watching the game. Don Gustavo, how my friend was doing. All right,
• 1:03:09
  very good afternoon, Fernando, it must be about the few who didn
• 1:03:14
  ' t see the game. Yeah, I heard the bowling scream just before
• 1:03:16
  bedtime. You heard about Carl Lahenfer. No, yeah, well, I
• 1:03:22
  was watching a series on these pirate websites. Obviously, I don' t
• 1:03:27
  pay Disney. I think the product was a cavern or something, but well
• 1:03:29
  we' re windy with my wife is. It would be interesting to have
• 1:03:34
  six chapters in Paris, so of the party. I haven' t seen
• 1:03:37
  him, but well he won ar that pulls on the bor Obviously and you
• 1:03:40
  put yourself I say to the T- shirt of Argentina, because that'
• 1:03:44
  s how we talk to him about Mexico and we' re going to talk
• 1:03:45
  a lot about Argentina, Argentina, Brazil. I carry one thing on hook,
• 1:03:47
  Diría, doña Cristina Fernández, Everything has to do with everything, because
• 1:03:52
  well, the Copa America and Brazil and today the match returned. Lula versus
• 1:03:54
  Millay milaversus Lula. I think he' s a little aware, because this
• 1:03:58
  happened early. No yes, I read some intense days ago and the work,
• 1:04:02
  but there, in the morning, let' s say an exchange of
• 1:04:08
  themselves between the two and, well, I think it' s part of
• 1:04:14
  seeing how difficult it is to be Minister of Previous Relations of the two countries.
• 1:04:16
  Not today, because that' s practically how they knead the cake already
• 1:04:21
  to put it in the oven and run out of gas or. Suddenly,
• 1:04:27
  there is an excess of gasses and we have to row again, but I
• 1:04:30
  think it' s part of what Argentina' s international relations are going to
• 1:04:35
  do. Let' s say in the next few years in this administration I
• 1:04:42
  don' t defend her or criticize her. I just see her as such.
• 1:04:46
  At the same time, I believe that what the President is feeling is
• 1:04:55
  the lack of harmony with those guidelines in his foreign policy in front of him
• 1:05:00
  and I would say something to you and I say it with some sadness,
• 1:05:08
  but at the same time, because I feel a man of the House,
• 1:05:15
  a certain indifference and lukewarmness, even of the diplomatic actors today of Argentina,
• 1:05:23
  that is, lukewarmness is more concerned. I think we' ve talked about
• 1:05:25
  it another time. If I do not remember in more in their promotions or
• 1:05:30
  transfers than in really generating a consistent and solid international policy towards the outside.
• 1:05:39
  And I' m not specifically saying this about the Milates administration, but I
• 1:05:44
  ' m also saying this about the administration of the past presidents, which has
• 1:05:49
  the most political colour. We are in a zone of comfort not of very
• 1:05:56
  good manners, but without the firmness that we could find on other occasions or
• 1:06:04
  even a historical firmness, in the position of the Chilean foreign policy and even
• 1:06:12
  of Brazil. The phenomenon is happening right now that they are meeting in Paraguay
• 1:06:16
  about the annual General Assembly of the OAS is going to define the next General
• 1:06:24
  Secretariat of the OAS And I have also not seen forget the President of Milley
• 1:06:31
  that Argentina manages a so- called continental position of vision, etc etc.
• 1:06:39
  About then it is if the red color comes, and that does not alter
• 1:06:45
  the possibility of my transfer or my promotion. It' s all right.
• 1:06:51
  If my alters, then I can' t find a solidity. In recent
• 1:06:57
  generations let us say a fixed external policy, responsible for defending national interests,
• 1:07:05
  for promoting commercial interests. Let' s say from the commercial part where the
• 1:07:15
  ambassador also becomes a seller of Argentine products, an Argentine promoter. There is
• 1:07:24
  not, there is no comfort and I see it in many countries or where
• 1:07:32
  I think an ambassador, for example, in our country and I point out
• 1:07:38
  it in a country like Mexico or another, should be visiting the provinces,
• 1:07:44
  promoting, for example, tourist states. The possibility of a stronger presence or
• 1:07:47
  fluid of tourism towards Argentina. And that' s not true. It is
• 1:07:56
  given from the mouth to the mouth that a person was the one for they
• 1:08:00
  are very well in their time to read highly favorable for the exchange rate,
• 1:08:04
  and that generated a mouth to mouth among their friends or comfort, etcetera.
• 1:08:09
  But where you see a presence, an affinity of Argentine representation, you don
• 1:08:15
  ' t see it. No, and that is what gives you courage,
• 1:08:19
  because one pretends that precisely the representations are the mirror of the good or the
• 1:08:27
  positive. Or a proposal to establish a bilateral relationship between the two countries And
• 1:08:36
  Brazil is, let' s say, beyond a political, ideological problem,
• 1:08:42
  but we have trading partners, we are the first and second power in Latin
• 1:08:46
  America in certain aspects we complement each other and we don' t see that
• 1:08:54
  anyone, in turn defend that. So I think that, beyond the romance
• 1:09:01
  or the fight between President Miley and President Lula, the second- level actors
• 1:09:06
  that should have the springs to sustain that relationship, despite the chicaneo between the
• 1:09:13
  two, is often not working. I have always talked about the fact that,
• 1:09:23
  for example, Tamaratí has as state policies, that there is a continuity
• 1:09:27
  beyond a more center- left government such as Lula' s or center-
• 1:09:30
  right government, as you can be the evolutionary one and so on, and
• 1:09:34
  that in Argentina in general, you do not do with this government, but
• 1:09:36
  you have little, but above all from previous issues, there is no such
• 1:09:41
  thing as one or no such thing as a firm chancellery, or that there
• 1:09:44
  is a course. It was a good word We talked to you as we
• 1:09:45
  passed by. He has been the critic of the subject of more pending promotions
• 1:09:47
  and transfers. That' s what that means, not Brazil. You have
• 1:09:50
  seen talk of strength, but also of continuity of certain state policies. As
• 1:09:55
  I was saying, you selling the country abroad with strength, searching, opening
• 1:09:58
  marks, tourism, etcetera, etcetera. That' s not how he looks.
• 1:10:02
  There' s something very interesting and it comes up. Two days ago
• 1:10:09
  Susana Ruiz el Luti, the first woman chancellor in Argentine history, died,
• 1:10:15
  a very committed diplomatic career. She was part of or head part and head
• 1:10:23
  of the Argentine delegation that handled the last border conflicts with Chile, which was
• 1:10:30
  desert lagoon and continental. I had the fortune, but if not the fortune
• 1:10:41
  like that, that my father, as a specialist in water resources, worked
• 1:10:45
  in a body or in a very very solid group of the chancellery and even
• 1:10:54
  of the National Academy of Geography and the Military Geographic Center, etcetera. And
• 1:11:00
  curiously, the great problems that had been handled that were unresolvable was because,
• 1:11:10
  for example, our country, in its archives had maps that had been since
• 1:11:15
  the beginning of the 20th century were false maps. So we, on a
• 1:11:20
  false document, is where we established, say our position, et cetera,
• 1:11:28
  et cetera. The most interesting thing about this that the negotiators told me is
• 1:11:32
  that practically the members who negotiated for the Chilean Chancellery were grandchildren of those who
• 1:11:43
  had begun to analyze the conflict at the beginning of the 20th century. In
• 1:11:47
  other words, he was showing us a continuity of thought, of names,
• 1:11:54
  of position, in this case of the Chilean government on the defense of its
• 1:11:59
  interests. In our case, each time a mission met it was composed of
• 1:12:03
  other characters, in times of de facto governments, by the general, the
• 1:12:10
  commander of an admiral on duty who knew nothing about what had happened before.
• 1:12:15
  They started in steel and so on. In the case of Brazil, the
• 1:12:21
  same is true. We handled that for a long time with the issue of
• 1:12:26
  the Shassiret and Itaipu dam. Argentine and Brazilian interests, they through a position,
• 1:12:32
  let' s say or a totally continuous line of action and we defend
• 1:12:44
  or assume positions of conjuncture. I believe that is the great vacuum that our
• 1:12:53
  foreign policy has historically had. It has not had lines that move beyond the
• 1:12:59
  use, conjunctures, of the political spaces at the head of the demos,
• 1:13:05
  of the Republic or of the nation, and so are the consequences. Not
• 1:13:11
  effectively, as you say, the case and Te A Marati, even in
• 1:13:15
  the case of Chilean diplomacy, to say or speak more directly of our partners,
• 1:13:21
  direct from the Marcosur, have had a trajectory, a stability, a
• 1:13:26
  position beyond the political conjunctures that have given the solidity to the defense of their
• 1:13:31
  interests. That didn' t happen with us. But what' s up?
• 1:13:41
  There is an expert being, a national being that we do not have,
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  why be I say, because we are similar, because there is Tamarati
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  with this weight and why not. The Argentine Chancellery, which I reiterate and
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  well mark it from this, exceeds and comes from various government efforts, neither
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  Alberto nor Macri' s, and it comes from what tradition. One of
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  the things that, for example, diplomats of a certain age claim to Domingo
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  Caballo when he was foreign relations at the time. First was the standardization of
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  wages. Formerly, diplomats earned a salary while abroad and a salary while in
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  the country, with which the Chancellery had you internally and administratively, without any
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  kind of legal support, a sort of bank. What did that bank mean
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  to you While you were outside your salary on the outside logically dollarized, you
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  were contributing to that bank a percentage that, when you were inside the country,
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  I mean, wasn' t coming out. It allowed you to more
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  or less equalize or raise the quality of life a little with those savings you
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  had made from your activity abroad, but practically with an ambassadorial position, practically
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  your salary was equal to that of a civil servant. When it comes to
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  it that that was ridiculous and then practically good through economic stability, it sets
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  a level of good. If you assumed or aspired or came to a specific
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  position, you would have that same salary in the country as abroad. It
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  calmed down there, but otherwise it was a permanent dispute of personal interests to
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  pretend to leave the country to achieve not only one but an improvement of better
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  economic, economic, and that actually also generates a very strong wear, because
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  in your priority it is in your pocket and not in the interests. Of
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  course, and you should note that in foreign policy matters, beyond some of
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  the mistakes or follies that, for example, you have had in recent years
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  with the subject of documents with Iran. The position now towards some Latin American
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  countries always say the Argentine position, that is, the conflicts and resolve the
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  conflicts with Chile, The position of foreign policy to Argentina has concentrated on a
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  few things, which is the claim of Malvinas, because it has even lost
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  its relevant space in Latin America. If we wanted a little after giving us,
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  in the time of the forty- fifties peron, that position, of
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  that attitude, of the third position, but it also sent abroad as they
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  commanded military cultural attaché, it commanded workers attachés, where it was also marked
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  an imprint of the power of Argentina as also center of cultural diffusion. When
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  I speak cultural, good of dissemination, let' s say not only of
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  books, editorials, Argentine films that were distributed and had presence throughout Latin America.
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  That got lost and I can tell you honestly and with a certain degree
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  of sadness also many times because of the mismanagement of the representatives he has had
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  in our country abroad. He has no initiative Look. There was a time
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  and he took the comparison forgiveness. So abruptly, I' m talking about
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  seven or eight years ago and now that you' ve talked about pirate sites.
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  Not that the ambassador of Mexico, there in Belgrano, near your house
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  where they were doing it occurred to him on a trip to the Federal District,
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  went to the market and bought the entire pirate collection, evidently, of
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  all the Mexican films of the Mexican shoulder era and at three o' clock
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  in the afternoon opened a salon there in the residence, where what was a
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  screen, let' s say of more or less interesting dimensions. She didn
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  ' t put a coffee maker, a box of cookies, and all the
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  old Belgrano' s pardons came back to meet Somos with those films, but
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  that gave him a dynamism and an exercise. Let' s say activity to
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  the embassy and in turn the country, because we can' t do it
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  to others. Don' t ask me when we really have very good cinema,
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  we have many factors, we don' t have presence, but there
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  isn' t. Then we become mere passport deliverers, but we don'
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  t see either. In the case of Mexico. Interestingly, I can tell
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  you that one of the last ambassadors let' s say that she moved very
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  fortunately and with a good presence, was Patricia Vaca Narvaja, that ideologically,
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  but we can say that a person who had known the country by different circumstances
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  was promoted and good I tell you for certain likes or nostalgia or were in
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  normal supermarkets. Suddenly I don' t know cookies, operas, caraminosus from
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  the thermal bottles. So for a time and good and there was a luck,
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  let' s say presence in the market today out, but that'
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  s beyond, from time to time a brand of milk dulce. And yes,
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  now it has become a cult the subject of grass packages, which can
• 1:20:17
  not be missed in any supermarket. I would say that the presence of certain
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  items that could be introduced into the trading market is not given either. I
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  will say to myself that they represent nothing at the level of the balance of
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  trade, but they mark a presence and a commitment or an interest with the
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  Community. I' ve got a last minute to see I' ve got
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  a cell phone. That' s why I have absolutely everything silenced. I
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  have news of all kinds and colors, notifications of one takes me a DNT
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  that says the Bolvian President, Luisarse denounced a possible lift. Let us remember
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  that there is internal confrontation within the party Bornantes t left of bo morals just
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  between art and its predecessor and him the end of Evo Morales. So he
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  ' s targeting Bolivia. Democracy can when you told me that' s what
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  I thought the news of the day. You' re in the act that
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  the rumor began to spread that Claudia Sainmans invited Andrés Manuel López Obrador as Secretary
• 1:21:29
  of Defense. Why did you think that? This was, yes, the
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  grace that awoke and the media in Mexico, so where the Defense Secretariat would
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  have offered it and he would have rejected that mystery to the secretariat, let
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  ' s say obviously the ministry. Interestingly, historically, a soldier has always
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  had it, a civilian has not, and how you see the version to
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  see with intuition of erring and they return some information. I don' t
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  know what the offer was. I think it' s a fact that they
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  threw it a little further for empowerment than this. Let' s say that
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  these six years the army has been given to the armed forces, that is,
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  to have control and see if he didn' t throw it himself to
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  probe to mark a presence. But, well, we' d be contradicting,
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  say, going home, but Bolivia is interesting. He' s a
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  teristeress. First, as you say, confrontation comes. It would be interesting
• 1:22:36
  to analyze it if there is some kind of observation now in the Assembly that
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  is being made in the assumption of the OAS, because we have to qui
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  paraguayo as successor to Almagros, a Paraguayan. Yes, he does. The
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  issue is how far a new Mercosur representative will be accepted as Secretary General of
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  the IOP. I' ve read that you have ten times more participants.
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  He had read me from above as it seemed like it was a fact about
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  representative Palohumel, because the lula and good he wants it. Support it.
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  You' re piloting the President directly, but this alternative arises. I don
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  ' t know how far you' re going. They say he' s
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  already negotiated with Lula, so too that Lula would give him the support.
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  But let' s get back to it. I mean, you don'
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  t have much choice either. The other option that could have been left would
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  be Ecuador. But after the destitution he also made with Mexico, Peru,
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  Mexico is not going to give him the approval that is turning you around and
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  we should be careful to emerge as a sort of emerging candidate. It would
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  be Laura Chinchilla, the former President of Costa Rica, who wants and would
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  be, say, someone neutral to these conflicts. Paraguay, I agree,
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  is very cooked, but it would be another one of the Marcosur and I
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  don' t know if it is the rest of Atérica Lantina about all the
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  Caribbean countries also accept it and the United States, what it says there?
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  I think America, because the second one isn' t, well, it
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  ' s, it' s not there. But I say just like Balaba
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  the Magro, who says where he would play. In principle, where I
• 1:24:30
  ' d go. I still don' t know what the U S and
• 1:24:34
  Trump' s America of bainnant are That' s a good question. Well,
• 1:24:38
  yesterday you didn' t say it' s the tran that saw exactly
• 1:24:40
  January' s Trump tea coming. Better said January, yes, exactly then
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  which one would be an ally. Sure, the Trap Administration' s not
• 1:24:48
  clear. Well, Paraguay, let' s say, is a middle ground
• 1:24:54
  in general, like paidio or it doesn' t have the conmebola. So,
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  well, corruption reigns in the Marcosur, the septo Uruguay, which is
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  small in Paraguay, in which it has in Brazil, we are the champions,
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  not good, but Spain tend it with ben bolche sometimes. Today,
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  I think it has more strength than the pot. Uh, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, and it
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  smells really ugly, too, the memorial. Dude Rodriguez, you' ve
• 1:25:20
  got everything you can do for that. Which Rodriguez is not called Rodriguez,
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  the Paraguayan president of Conmebol. I don' t think so, but to
• 1:25:31
  see Rodriguez, Alejandro Rodríguez is President. I want Rodriguez. That' s
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  Dominguez. No, it didn' t ring a bell, it' s
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  not two Sundays It' s not me I didn' t know I wanted
• 1:25:43
  to sound like an alien Dominga Dominga. That' s why he called me
• 1:25:44
  Dominga Dominga, who was there on the river Boca de Madrid. And all
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  that, yeah, yeah, like this. It' s okay, well,
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  well, well, my friend, we made him complete because of the
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  absence we had. His absence has passed. I think it does och no
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  more than it does, nor does it clarify, nor does it need to
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  clarify, nor do we have an early date. Well, we met again
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  next week on Wednesday again, yes, on Wednesday back at the same time
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  as it was for me to pray for Vatican itself, Vatican itself batiz came
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  back batized um That' s good. Bus hug in order. The friend
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  liked parri the Wolf. It' s nice to have you days in a
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  row. It' s a pleasure because yesterday we' re doing well,
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  obviously, not to reach them. You who listen to us, be alive
• 1:26:29
  and then broadcast and replicate them and all the others, as Juera said on
• 1:26:31
  Twitter, some of the sayings of like, for example, to see them
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  I tell you just before saying goodbye that you already had to abandon them.
• 1:26:40
  In recent years, Argentina' s hysteria policy focused only on the vindication of
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  Malvinas of was enjoyed a little while ago. We have lost our relevance in
• 1:26:49
  Latin America. That' s what our North American correspondent, Gustavo Ferrari Wolf,
• 1:26:54
  was saying. We' ll see what happens in Bolivia. We remain
• 1:26:57
  attentively aware that you are now facing moral gift that you have wanted to re
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  - elect. I have had a good moral figure, it also improved economically
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  for the humblest. But the truth later had that issue that I have faced
• 1:27:10
  with quite a few progressives or left- wing people, being me a little
• 1:27:14
  progresser, i e demolishing the subject of personalism, the cult of personalism makes
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  me very noisy and he forced the Constitution to re- elect itself clearly.
• 1:27:19
  Well, just look at it. It had a role there America. Good,
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  too. Art says democracy must be respected. We' ll see what
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  happens in the Norman nation. Let' s hope it' s all about
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  we' re saying goodbye. We will see you here tomorrow, at four
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  o' clock in the afternoon, with the recorded voices of Alejandro Rosman and
• 1:27:38
  Julio Bambin and their diverse and different economic programs, contributing the plurality of this
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  space that is called plual construction and that is transiting its twentieth season to the
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  air. Thank you and viritas to Juan for everything as always, and thanks
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  to Silvia four in the afternoon, our last weekly meeting tomorrow until tomorrow.
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