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Eric Hovind: Defending Biblical Authority, Creation & The Gospel · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, thanks for tuning in and for sharing the podcast I've got a special
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  treat for you.
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  Something's coming out next week that I'm really excited to talk about and tell you about
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  and it looks like a lot of fun too.
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  I've got our guest, Eric Hoven with CreationToday.org creation today and we're going to talk about
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  a new project.
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  We'll talk about their ministry and what they're working on there.
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  He gets to talk to astronauts.
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  That's just awesome.
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  Eric, brother, it's so great to finally catch up with you.
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  Thanks for spending time with us on World View Matters, brother.
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  David, thanks for having me.
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  What a pleasure to be with you guys.
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  I know you guys cover all the bases.
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  So thank you for doing what you guys do.
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  Yeah, thanks, Eric.
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  No topic off limits and we jump around and talk about anything from apologetics to politics
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  to and everything in between.
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  But let's talk a little bit about for some of our listeners maybe are not familiar with CreationToday.
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  You've been in ministry and working at this for a long time.
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  You've been a part of some great movie projects and just share a little bit about your background
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  and how CreationToday came to be before we get going.
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  David, I still feel like a kid.
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  I don't even know if my whole ministry has actually started yet, but I've grown up in
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  the world of apologetics.
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  So my dad was an evangelist.
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  We travel and speak on creation versus evolution all over the world.
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  So I got exposed to a whole lot of apologetics at a very young age.
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  But I was also part of my church environment.
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  I became a product of the church environment rather than a real disciple of Jesus Christ.
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  So while I had a whole lot of answers growing up and I knew a lot about God, I never really
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  knew God.
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  It wasn't thought it was in my 20s that I watched Hell's Best kept secret, truly repented
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  and trusted in Christ.
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  And I got to tell you, he really did change my life.
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  There was a old things are passed away, all things become new.
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  You wouldn't have been able to tell it from the outside, but God did a work on the inside.
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  And I knew that that was the work of the Holy Spirit.
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  And I'm so thankful for that.
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  Since then, I've been in ministry, started creation today in 2006.
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  And it's been the last 25 years of my life altogether, traveling and speaking on apologetic
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  subjects around the world and love what I do.
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  It's a real blessing to be able to get out there and talk about creation versus evolution.
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  It's some of the biggest hot button topics we have today of what about abortion?
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  How could a loving God allow suffering?
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  What about climate change and global warming and how do we handle all these issues and realizing
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  it all stems from was the universe created or was the universe evolved by chance?
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  That is where the distinction for all these issues that we're facing comes down to.
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  So that's why we focus on the book of Genesis, trying to teach people.
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  It really is a matter of biblical authority.
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  That's what we need to deal with.
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  Who says so?
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  Somebody or God?
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  Let's go with God.
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  I love that authority and Ray Comfort.
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  I think of him saying, well, if everything's been designed, there had to be a designer.
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  You know, he does, yeah, you don't look at a building and say there wasn't a building.
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  You don't look at a painting and say there wasn't a painting.
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  Exactly.
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  He just, well, he's got some good stuff just and it seems like it rolls off the top
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  of his head.
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  He's an evangelist ninja is what the Babylonian people called him.
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  He's so good.
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  He's what he does.
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  Well, he's been at it for years and years.
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  Hell's best kept secret.
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  I heard a DVD of a sermon that it may have been that one that he gave at a church.
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  I don't know how long ago, but just phenomenal stuff.
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  So it's no wonder you heard that and went, well, and let's talk about this briefly.
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  There's a lot of people in churches that aren't even saved and they're doing
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  stuff.
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  They're doing the works and maybe they're trying to be good people, but they're not
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  really truly converted and it sounds like you were growing up, you had all the knowledge
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  and you even had some apologetics, you know, and you really didn't, it didn't get to
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  your heart.
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  Talk a little bit more about that, Eric.
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  One of the scariest verses in the Bible for me, David, is Matthew 7, verse 21, many are
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  going to come in my name and say, did I not do all these things, say, do all these things?
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  Castile demons, all this stuff.
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  He's going to say, depart from me, you that work in equity.
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  We are dealing with a whole lot of hypocrisy in the church.
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  And I think a lot of that comes from false converts, the wheat among the tears.
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  The Bible says, this is going to happen.
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  And then when his disciples asked him, hey, do we go take out all the tears?
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  You know, do we take out all these, he said, no, you don't want to do that in case you
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  pull up wheat as well.
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  So leave it all.
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  There will be a day when all is exposed and the wheat and the tears will be separated.
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  So to anybody who's listening, who thinks there's hypocrisy in the church, you guys
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  are just filled with hypocrites.
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  There are a lot of hypocrites in the church.
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  But that doesn't mean the real thing doesn't exist.
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  Tears are among the wheat right now, but it doesn't mean there's not real wheat.
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  You wouldn't take a counterfeit $100 bill and say, see, this is a counterfeit $100.
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  That means there's no proof that there are no $100 bills.
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  You wouldn't say that.
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  You can't have the counterfeit unless you have the real thing.
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  So yeah, there's a lot of hypocrisy and counterfeits in the church, but we need to be on
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  guard and understand that we know the truth.
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  We need to know that God has done a work in our life, work out your salvation with fear
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  and trembling as exactly what the Bible says.
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  And I encourage every single one of you to do that.
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  Amen.
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  And don't depend on your pastor who may or may not be teaching the whole council of God.
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  There's another issue, but we don't have time for that.
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  Eric, tell us about the weekly creation today's show.
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  You've got on-demand access.
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  Tell us about that.
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  I am loving it.
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  I have every week a show and I have a new expert on to talk about all kinds of fascinating
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  topics.
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  The reason I love it is it's my own personal discipleship program.
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  Every week I get guys come on and we spend an hour together and I feel like they're
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  discipling me and I'm just telling all my partners say, like, hey, come on, you guys, listen
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  in.
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  You guys, you're going to love what's being said.
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  So it's just just getting them inviting them to come on and hang out with me and I really
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  do enjoy the opportunities I have to interview people from astronauts like I had this last
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  week to scientists to the doctor, Lyle is the leading doctor out there fighting against
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  the abortion movement and doing it from a doctoral and a scientific and a biblical
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  perspective.
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  He's incredible.
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  He joins us regularly.
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  So yeah, it's kind of exciting to help disciple the church.
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  I'm just we're coming alongside the church, trying to help people be disciples.
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  And to the skeptics, we're trying to take the stumbling blocks that they see as evidence
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  for why they shouldn't trust the Bible and turn those into stepping stones on their
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  journey to Christ.
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  So we want them to understand not only the who, what, why, when, but the whatabouts, what
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  about this and what about this and we want them to understand all the answers to those
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  questions.
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  So we dig in deep on topics every week and have a blast doing it.
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  Yeah, I looked at some of the past things you covered and I'm going back to mid June
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  and one of the things I wanted to ask you about, because we hear these words thrown around,
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  the question that you guys talked about, does medical freedom include abortion?
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  I mean, you heard a, you know, abortion framed as reproductive freedom or rights or choice
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  and all these things and you can, if you go back to the 10 commandments, if you can redefine
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  murder all you want to and use different words to describe it, but it's still taking
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  the life of an innocent, pre-born human being created in the image of God, a mago day.
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  And yet our common society says, yeah, well, in that case, sure, or medical freedom for
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  whatever reason, what else did you talk about in that show because that, that was a huge
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  thing since COVID, medical freedom, right, talk a little bit more about that and we just
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  want you to touch down there. I find that to be fascinating.
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  Well, the big deal, does medical freedom include abortion? You can go through all the logical
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  arguments and you see that there's no logical, rational argument that works for the, I'll
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  call it the pro-death side if they, I am pro-life, they are pro-death, okay? So if we're going
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  to keep our terminology the same, I'm somebody who believes in the sanctity of life from God,
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  it's a gift from God, it's not mine to choose whether or not I take it or not. That's
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  why it's, is do not kill and that's different than really that's murder. Do not murder is
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  what the Bible's saying there. It makes provisions for wars and things like that or if somebody
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  murders, you have the government has the right to sentence them to death for certain punishments.
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  But does medical freedom include the unborn? There's no logical answer, there's no scientifically,
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  no, there's no reason you should be ending that life inside the mother's womb.
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  The big picture though is that this isn't just a battle of logic, this is a spiritual and
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  a moral battle. That's what we're really facing here. Abortion is, the Bible says, all
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  they that hate me, Jesus says, all they that hate me love death and no wonder when you
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  back up and zoom out, why are they taking such a big stand on? We want to be able to kill
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  children. Why? Because this is a spiritual battle. Why do you think last year in the first
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  abortion clinic was opened by a satanic temple in order to do an abortion as a sacrifice
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  to Satan? This is not just a matter of logic because every argument, well, it's not viable.
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  Well, you're not viable either if you're starting to make it on the North Pole for crying
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  out loud. Children, two years old aren't viable on their own. Five years old. I know some
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  kids that are 25 years old that aren't viable yet. They can't make it on their own, okay?
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  Survivability doesn't give us a reason to kill someone. They try to say, well, it's my body,
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  my choice. That's not your body. Have the time. It's the opposite gender. It's got its own DNA
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  from the moment of conception. Every single argument you try to give in favor of killing
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  an unborn child logically fails every single time and it makes you wonder because you know
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  and the Bible says this, they know God exists, makes you wonder if they know every argument fails,
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  why do they keep pushing for it? And they're pushing for it hard. Here's how hard they're
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  pushing for it. Are you familiar with the Babylon be David? Absolutely. Love them. Love them.
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  Babylon be just did a headline for the Democratic National Convention, the DNC. It's not that.
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  One of the, you saw this. Their title was DNC dies the Chicago River Red and what was the end of it
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  in honor of abortion or something like that in honor of killing babies. And that headline,
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  it was satire. They're a bunch. They're just satire. It's funny things, but it's designed to
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  make you think and make one of a real problem that we're facing. That satirical headline got
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  fact checked because people believed it. Now you have to back up and ask yourself, why would people
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  believe that that's true? Because they really are that aggressive about killing unborn children.
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  So yeah, what a great, what a great, you need to go watch that show because it just,
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  you get into all the, all the medical aspects, all the logical aspects and then you hit the
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  spiritual aspect and you realize, you realize the Bible is right. We do not wrestle against
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  flesh and blood. We wrestle against principalities and powers and rulers of darkness and high places,
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  spiritual wickedness and high places. So our, our battle is a spiritual battle and we have a
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  spiritual enemy and you are either for God or you are against God. Hey, listener, there is
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  no fence to sit on. If you want to say there's a fence, then find that belongs to Satan. So you
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  just need to decide whose side are you on? Jesus said, either for me or against me. I know, I know
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  a lot of people, including people in church. They are not really for God. They want God to be for
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  them. They've allowed humanism to creep in and they're focused a whole lot of them on themselves
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  and all the church stuff is about them. You're going to get me preaching here, David.
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  Preach it. Go. This is what I'm passionate about, man. And you talked about the hypocrites
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  in the church and the people in the church. That is the problem that we see today is most people
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  have adopted humanism and humanism is crept its way into the church. You can define humanism
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  this way. Humanism is defined as the end of all being is the happiness of man. The reason I
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  exist is not for God's happiness, but for my happiness, for my pleasure. And humanism,
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  a humanistic gospel would be, oh, God did all this. He came. He created. He lived. He died. He
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  rose again. He does all this for me. It's for me. That is humanism. If your prayer is
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  sound a whole lot like this, dear gracious Heavenly Father, please give me. Give me. Give me. Give me.
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  Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me. Give me.
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  You, my friend, are a humanist. There's nothing wrong with asking God for things. I mean,
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  he's described as a father, but we have gone way too far on the side of humanism inside of
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  Christianity. And now we're more focused on what God can do for me than what life is really all
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  about. And that's about glorifying God. The reason you listen to worldview matters. The reason
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  you you study the word is so you can find out how do I love God and love people? How do I glorify
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  God with my life? You've only got three things to glorify him with all three, all three of these
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  categories. You're going to be judged for one day. You got time. You got talent. You got treasure.
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  How are you spending your time? How are you using your talent? How are you spending your treasure?
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  You're going to get judged by God for how you spend. It's a spend thing. You're a manager of it.
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  It's not yours. He's gifted it to you for a little while. You're going to spend those and you're
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  going to face God on judgment day to tell him how you did. So I would consider being wise about
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  that. If I were you, sorry, I got preaching there. No, no, never apologize, brother. That was
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  awesome. I was shouting amen only quietly. So I didn't want to interrupt you. But when we come
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  back on a touch on the environmental movement, how they put nature over God, nature over human
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  beings, and that it continues to fuel this population control, the death agenda. But also friends,
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  when we come back with Eric Hoven on World View Matters, we're going to talk about something coming
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  out a film September 6, which is next week called Night at the Discovery Center. And we're talking
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  to one of the star actors right now. We'll be right back on World View Matters.
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  Org and you can go to the website contact us there worldviewmatters.tv. So Eric Hoven creation
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  today.org brand new project coming up. But I want to get to that in just a minute. I want to hear
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  your thoughts on this radical environmental movement, the population control movement that puts
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  nature. We've got to save and preserve the world, save the earth. But we've got to eliminate more
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  people because we've got to get the population down. You said this is a spiritual battle. And if
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  that's not a one area where we can see this battle manifested in the natural, I don't know,
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  I think some people are just blinded to it. But yeah, they think it sounds good. Save the earth.
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  What are your thoughts on that? And it's all about Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, right?
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  Do you happen to know about how many people are on planet earth right now?
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  David, do you know that number? No. It's a little over 8 billion people on planet earth.
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  Do you happen to know how long it would take? You can use basic mathematics, a population growth
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  curve. How long would it take to get about 8 billion people on a planet starting with just a couple,
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  let's say two people? 6,000 years? Actually, a little less than that, about 4,400 years. Okay,
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  which it's perfectly with what the Bible says. That's right. No one. We had the flood. Yes,
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  we had the flood 4,400 years ago. So it's fascinating. You look at the human population. It goes back
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  about 4,400 years. The idea of we need to save the planet and we prioritize it over humanity
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  really is silly because when you study this out, our planet has the resources to hold well
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  over a hundred billion people. Many people would say several hundred billion people. Eight billion
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  is not overcrowded, okay? I was just in Iowa last week. The world isn't overcrowded, all right?
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  I have flown across this country many times. The world is not overcrowded. I'm telling you man,
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  it is not Elon Musk even knows this. He's like, no, we're actually going into population decline. We
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  need to have more people because we're actually facing some hard times ahead if we don't start
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  getting people to get married, have children and raise them righteously. So it's all you single
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  folks out there. Do your job. Go find that mate that God has for you and have a beautiful family.
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  My family, David, is one of the most precious things to me. We're going to do a birthday dinner for
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  my daughter and her son, excuse me, my daughter and my son-in-law, her husband coming up here this
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  weekend and there is nothing like getting together with family and spending time together.
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  But the natural worldview that says that Mother Earth is all there is and humans are a disease on
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  this planet. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. If evolution is true, there is no agenda. There's no going
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  anywhere. There's no such thing as health. There's not a healthy planet. There's not an unhealthy planet.
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  You can't even say that human flourishing is good on a strictly naturalistic worldview.
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  Matter of fact, a naturalistic worldview would say, let us take over. If we destroy it, we destroy it,
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  it'll evolve into something else. Nature is just taking its course. So on the evolution
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  worldview, an environmentalist doesn't make sense. Now, on the Christian worldview, an environmentalist
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  makes sense because God tells us to subdue the earth and to take care of it, to tend it, so watch
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  over it. We should be the best environmentalist. There are out there trying to say, how do we wisely
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  steward planet earth? Now, I don't take that over human people. Human beings. People are the most
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  important thing. We are the ones created in the image of God. So, yeah, there is plenty out there
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  that is derailing us and going the wrong direction and it's illogical from a naturalistic perspective.
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  It doesn't even make sense. I know you've talked about that for years on many shows and many
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  presentations, but I know we just scratched the surface here, but I think the left does such a good
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  job of marketing their talking points and calling something like a good cause social justice. It's
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  good. Yeah, we need to take care of the planet, whatever, but I want to jump to night at the
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  discovery center before we run out of time. Eric, this looks phenomenal. It's coming up next week,
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  September 6th, night at the discovery center. You can get information on this friends at creation
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  today.org. You start in this. It looks like a lot of fun. Tell us about it, Eric.
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  So, I did two experimental films. One of the creation museum. You just saw that. One of the
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  Ark Encounter got my cards right here. Yeah. So, not at the creation museum, not at the Ark Encounter.
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  And that's, yeah, that's, that was a blast. And coming out next month or next week, I did night
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  at the discovery center. So, we went to the ICR Discovery Center in Dallas, Texas and we got to
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  spend several days filming with them. Wow. A little, a fun movie that is entertaining and educational.
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  And it will bring up conversations with you and your friends about God and his word in a powerful
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  way. So, the first two were experimental. I did those two. Believe it or not, David, I filmed
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  these on my cell phone the night at the creation museum and the night at the Ark Encounter. Film them
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  on my cell phone and they turned out, I, I think, really well for that. And then I went to the
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  president of ICR, Dr. Randy Glews. I said, Hey, could I borrow your discovery center for a week?
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  Can I kind of rule in rain? I mean, yes, I know. It's a multi-million dollar facility there in
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  Dallas, Texas. And by the way, if you've never been to the discovery center, you need to go check
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  it out. It's a great place. Great trip to Dallas, okay? And he said, yeah, you can, you can, you can
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  run the place for a, for a week. So went there this time. We had a real film crew and man, my co-star
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  on this one was Dr. Brian Thomas. He did an amazing job acting in this. And we're going on in
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  adventure because something suspicious is going on at the discovery center. Let me just tell you,
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  it ends up being quite the ride. So, you're, you're going to want to check it out.
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  CreationToday.org slash discovery center. CreationToday.org slash discovery center if you want to
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  check that out. But I'm doing these films because I'm finding storytelling is a great way to
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  communicate. Jesus communicated through stories all the time. Culture Today responds to stories.
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  So I'm finding one of the best things I can do is communicate through stories. How can I put in a
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  good way a story that combines the truth of scripture is, is entertaining and has scientific facts
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  so that in the kids minds as they grow up, they're learning, oh wow, God's word is true. I can trust
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  it. And that's the big picture reason why we're doing this film. The, the, trying to figure out
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  how much I can give away on the storyline on this one on this one. So just if you haven't seen
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  one of these all the night at the series, night at the creation museum, night at the art
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  encounter, night at the discovery center, the whole series, something happens. I play a, I play
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  a security guard, Derek daily. So, and this is a spoof off of night at the museum. So, I'm
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  Derek daily and my job is to guard the museum. Well, something happens at every single museum
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  and things go bonkers, things go crazy. So, I can't give it all away, but we go on quite the
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  ride. I get to, on this one, I'll tell you this, I'm transported via a VR headset. It's called
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  Experimental Reality and it actually transports people, this VR system. So, it transports me from
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  Dallas, Texas, out to Mount St. Helens and I'm there at Mount St. Helens and all of the sudden
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  we're experiencing another eruption of Mount St. Helens and it is, it's, it's a death blow,
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  man. It's a, it's a sad, sad day. So, oh, and if you have kids, this one does have dinosaurs in
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  it. Five-year-old Sophie, I've screened the movie to a lot of kids to make sure it's okay. Five-year-old
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  Sophie said the dinosaur, the T-Rex at the end, he's scary. So, just viewer, there is dying, there
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  are, there are dinosaurs in night at the discovery center that you'll enjoy. So, friends, you can pre-order
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  that. You can go to the website at creationtoday.com, you can pre-order, you can watch. But, Eric, what if
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  people wanted to get it to play it at their church and have people come in? I know there's a way
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  to do that too. There's a license involved. Can you explain that? Yes, we're, we're so blessed.
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  I see our Institution of Creation research has said we could do this so we partnered together
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  on this film. They said we're, we're gonna make it so every church and every school can have a
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  free, absolutely free, no strings attached, public screening license for the month of September.
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  So, if you're a pastor or you have a school or you know a pastor or you know a teacher or you know
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  a principal, if that's you, if you know somebody like that, please send them to creationtoday.org
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  slash discovery center. You'll scroll down, you'll see the trailer right underneath that trailer.
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  Hey, free public screening license for schools, you do have to register for it, but you just click
• 25:09
  the register button and sign up. We've got over 8,000 now signed up. So I cannot wait, yes,
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  there it is. I cannot wait for all these churches and schools to show this anytime in the month of
• 25:21
  September. You create your own event. We give you all the assets you need to be able to advertise
• 25:26
  your event, create your event, ask questions at your event, and really use this. It's a short film.
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  It's only 35 minutes. It's entertaining and it's educational and it'll bring up a great conversation
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  about God, science, and the word of God. You're really, really going to love taking advantage of
• 25:44
  this opportunity. Awesome. Night at the discovery center. September six. It's a week away. They've
• 25:51
  got a Facebook page, friends creation today on Facebook. You've got something else just briefly
• 25:57
  tease it. I know you can't give away too much about another project. Do you want to just maybe
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  just I'm not this is not public knowledge at David. So your listeners have to promise I need
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  I need scouts honor here. Well, we don't like to scouts anymore because they're both going
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  anyway. I just need your word guys can't give anything away. We're working on a project that
• 26:21
  might be the very biggest project we've ever done. I don't know if it'd be bigger than any
• 26:28
  creation ministry, but it's a big project. It's it's it's in its infancy phases. But if you
• 26:33
  want to get updates on that, hopefully in about a month, I'll be putting the word out. You can go to
• 26:38
  creation today.org. Or slash sign up creation today.org slash sign up jump on our email list and I'd
• 26:46
  love to shoot you that information just as soon as it is available. It's a big it's a big deal. Let's
• 26:52
  just say I think we can reach the world in a much bigger way when we get this project out there.
• 26:58
  It's David. I got to tell you, but yeah, I like just a little bit. You didn't give any little
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  details, but the idea and the method and Jesus said go into all the world and you're taking that
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  literally brother. Thank you, Eric creation today. Thank you for all that you do. Appreciate your
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  voice and your influence may God enlarge your territory brother and Lord willing we'll do this
• 27:19
  again in the near future. Look forward to it, David. Thanks for having me on worldview matters.
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  What a what a blessing. Thank you. Alright guys, I can't wait to see that night at the Discovery
• 27:28
  Center. Thanks so much for sharing the podcast for praying for the ministry. God bless you and as
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  always keep speaking the truth about things that matter.