Latest / Kvetch & Release / The threat of Ontario’s diminishing healthcare system
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- 0:00New survey out revealing that Ontario's Registered Practical nurses are facing unsustainable conditions amid on
- 0:09going staffing shortages. The Registered Practical Nurses Association of Ontario, also known as
- 0:15we AREPN, the professional voice of rpns across the province, released these findings
- 0:21to from their annual survey titled the State of Nursing in Ontario, A twenty
- 0:27twenty four review. Joining me right now to discuss is the chief strategy officer
- 0:32of we AREP and Tiff Blair. How are you today? I'm great,
- 0:37Thanks for having me, Thank you so much for joining me here. So
- 0:40right off the bat, what are some of the threats of the our healthcare
- 0:46system right now that we're facing. Yeah, well, I think we've been
- 0:50doing this survey for the last four years since the pandemic, just to see
- 0:53sort of the state of healthcare in the state of nursing in particular. So
- 0:58this year our findings really show that the nursing shortage is continuing to have an
- 1:02impact on both nurses and patients. We're seeing nearly half of urpns considering leaving
- 1:07the profession. We're seeing seventy eight percent talking about how they are being directly
- 1:15impacted by the nursing shortage and ninety one percent of them seeing that that's having
- 1:19an impact on the quality of care that they're able to provide for patients.
- 1:23And we're also seeing the mental tool that it's taking on those nurses themselves.
- 1:27So, you know, I think that there have been some improvements in some
- 1:32areas, but there's still a lot of work to do to get back to
- 1:34optimal levels. Those are some pretty staggering statistics there. Why is it that
- 1:38fifty percent are thinking of leaving the industry? So, I think it's a
- 1:45few different things. So certainly one the nature of the workload and how it's
- 1:49just grown over the last number of years. I think, you know,
- 1:53obviously nursing has never been a stress free profession, but I think since the
- 1:59pandemic, it's really gotten to a point that we're asking nurses to work beyond
- 2:04what's reasonable, and then I think that's taking a toll on them personally.
- 2:08I think we hear from a lot of nurses that you know, go into
- 2:12work wanting to provide the best care possible to their patients. Obviously that's why
- 2:15they got into the profession, and then leaving at the end of the day
- 2:20feeling like a failure because they weren't able to provide the care that they know
- 2:24that their patients or residents deserve. And I think you get to a certain
- 2:28point where it really takes the toll, a personal toll. I think the
- 2:32other thing, particularly for urpns, there's a financial consideration as well. So
- 2:38urpens have historically based quite a bit of wage compression, meaning that you know,
- 2:45compared to some of their registered nurse colleagues, they're paid quite a bit
- 2:49less. So we've seen in the last number of years, but I think
- 2:52a number of them have found that, you know, the pressure is just
- 2:55too much given how they're compensated. So how has it been I suppose since
- 3:02COVID hit, like, has there been a significant loss already of rpns from
- 3:08the system. Yeah, so I would when we look at the College of
- 3:15Nurses, they keep track of how many nurses are registered in the province,
- 3:20and we used to have the RPN category used to be growing year over year,
- 3:25and this year we're actually seeing about five hundred less rpns registered in the
- 3:31province compared to this time last year. At a time when we know that
- 3:36we need more of these nurses. So I think there has been, you
- 3:39know, efforts to recruit more nurses, there have been new spaces opened in
- 3:43schools, but I think we're seeing the tool of really those people choosing to
- 3:46leave the profession and the impact that it's having on the nursing workforce. So
- 3:53its like it's overly more concerning than that with one and two considering leaving that
- 4:01that's a problem of itself, but at a time when you're already losing like
- 4:05that's it's a really staggering figure. Yeah, for sure. I mean we've
- 4:11seen so as I mentioned, we've been doing these surveys for the last number
- 4:15of years. Last year we saw two thirds considering leaving, so now that
- 4:19number is one and two. So I mean, I think that there has
- 4:23been some modest improvement and maybe some conditions are changing which are making some nurses
- 4:29consider staying in the profession, but there's certainly a lot more that we need
- 4:32to be doing to both continue to recruit more nurses but also make sure that
- 4:40those experienced nurses who have that knowledge and expertise are staying in the system.
- 4:45So, you know, we talk here often with people in the healthcare sector
- 4:48on am eight hundred CKLW. And one word that I've had described to me
- 4:55often of the situation at hand is it's triage because of the staffing shortages,
- 5:00because of the build up that occurred from COVID, because of the lack of
- 5:05access, And I guess I just I would love to get your perspective on
- 5:11just that. Is it still like a triage based system. I say this
- 5:15selfishly because I've been sitting with a broken wrist for the better part of the
- 5:18past three years and I still can't get to see a specialist. Yeah,
- 5:24I think that's an accurate description of the situation. I mean, I think
- 5:28that we hear a lot from our members about you know, the workload is
- 5:33just so much that you're trying to provide the necessary care, not necessarily the
- 5:39best care that you can, just because you're trying to ensure that everyone gets
- 5:43a certain standard of care to you know, provide the basic needs, but
- 5:47not the optimal type of care that you're able that you would ideally provide under
- 5:51more optimal circumstances. It's a tough situation. So, I mean, there's
- 5:57obviously never a silver bullet that can address everything. But when you look at
- 6:01this and you assess it. What would be some of the remedies that you
- 6:04would prescribe. Yeah, I think there are a few things that, you
- 6:10know, we're calling for government to take action on. So one is the
- 6:15idea of introducing nurse to patient ratios and sort of having that legislated. So
- 6:19there are certain other jurisdictions like BC in Australia that have done that and basically
- 6:26said what a minimum nurse to patient standard should be in different environments. I
- 6:31think that would be something that would be a key important step to help address
- 6:36sort of the normalization of understaffing what we're seeing now. I'd say another thing
- 6:42would be around the wage issue that I mentioned before. So there have been
- 6:46some minor improvement since Bill one twenty four was squashed last year. You know,
- 6:50unions have been able to negotiate improved wages for rpns and some sectors like
- 6:56hospitals, but there's a lot of work environments like long term care, home
- 7:00and community care where wages are falling behind. So people, you know,
- 7:04it's really hard to recruit nurses to those areas because when they're comparing you know,
- 7:09I could be making thirty four dollars an hour in a hospital or I
- 7:13could be making twenty two dollars in home care and thinking about, you know,
- 7:16the impact on their finances. It's harder to recruit people to those sort
- 7:21of more historically underpaid areas. And then I think, you know, streamlining
- 7:27educational opportunities would be a third thing I highlight there as you mentioned more spaces,
- 7:32spaces in nursing programs right right now, it's quite difficult to access those,
- 7:39and I think growing that pool of nursing educational opportunities is a key way
- 7:43that we can help grow the nursing population when they need it. Well,
- 7:47it's something that impacts all of us in one way or another. We're going
- 7:50to keep our eyes on this one. I want to thank you so much,
- 7:54Tiff for joining me to talk about this. Oh, thanks so much
- 7:57for having me. Really appreciate it. Have a great weekend. Tiff Blair
- 8:00is the chief strategy Officer of RPN. We'll get to your