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RNC Crashes Grindr_ Offers Trump-Backed Bribes _ Debuts Hasan Piker_s Meat _ The Daily Show · Mic Drop Comedy

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  Speaker 1: Why was Hasan Piker's picture up of him, like, flexing?
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  Speaker 2: It was a very flattering picture. Yeah. Of Hasan Piker. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the abs.
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  Speaker 1: Like, if you're trying to tell me someone's bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the picture to use. If you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: someone is, like, an evil threat to democracy, if you're
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  Speaker 1: telling me someone is a monster, this isn't the picture
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  Speaker 1: to use.
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  Speaker 2: If I were, like, independent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was, like, leaning a bit Republican, I would go, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'll vote for whichever party. This guy belongs
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  Speaker 2: to us.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. This guy looks ripped, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to The Precap, a daily show podcast
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  Speaker 2: where we sit down with this week's host to recap
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  Speaker 2: the latest news and also preview what's coming up next.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Joe Opio, a writer on the show, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: joined today by your host this week, Josh to the J,
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  Speaker 2: to the O, to the H, or as I call him,
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  Speaker 2: Big J-Dog. You call me that? I don't really call
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  Speaker 2: you that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, wait.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just thinking, what are we doing here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think the producers of this podcast have a very
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  Speaker 2: interesting psychopathic sense of humor because you and I, they
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  Speaker 2: keep putting us on these things together, but we have
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  Speaker 2: very different energies.
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  Speaker 1: You're 100%.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like if you're a wedding DJ... played classical music,
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  Speaker 2: you being classical music, and then played DMX right after.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what are we supposed to do? Yeah, there is
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  Speaker 1: a clash. But, you know, I enjoy it. It's a
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  Speaker 1: good excuse to see you and to chat and everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how's your week been?
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  Speaker 2: No, my week has been good. Actually, last time I
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  Speaker 2: saw you was the World Cup live stream.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was fun.
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  Speaker 1: That was a great time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun.
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  Speaker 1: That was, what? It was Spain and... Was it?
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  Speaker 2: Spain, Portugal, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was Spain, Portugal. And not a
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  Speaker 1: lot happened for a good portion of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, of the game, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then it all happened.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember we were watching it and we went like,
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  Speaker 2: this is the worst game to invite an American to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because an American wants a back and forth. But enough
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  Speaker 2: about the World Cup. That's a long time ago. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about what have you been doing? You've been on tour,
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  Speaker 2: that I know. You have a band camp going around America.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which, as I was complaining before we came on, I
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  Speaker 2: haven't been invited to.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, you'll have to come. You'll have to come. No,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be doing the Beacon next year. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Comedy Band Camp is the tour. And I've been really
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  Speaker 1: excited about it. We've been traveling all around the country
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  Speaker 1: and everything. Been going overseas as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Overseas as well?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So did Europe, did some Canadian dates, have more Canadian
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  Speaker 1: dates coming up. And yeah, it's been really, It's been
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  Speaker 1: really cool. I never got to go to camp like
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  Speaker 1: this as a kid. So I just sort of recreate
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  Speaker 1: the experience for everybody. So that's been a big part
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  Speaker 1: of the excitement around doing it. It's just like having
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  Speaker 1: that environment and seeing so many people come and be
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  Speaker 1: a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this is how you know you're bowling. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is how you know you're bowling out
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  Speaker 2: of control. When you can recreate or at least try
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  Speaker 2: to recapture some of your childhood magic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you a bit. I've told
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  Speaker 1: a few people this. It's like I can tell I'm
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  Speaker 1: not actually bawling out of control because just when I
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  Speaker 1: think that I'm like I'm like killing it, I will
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  Speaker 1: just see a mouse in the corner of my eye
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  Speaker 1: and be like, oh, I'm not I'm not fully out.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's some conditions still tethering me to reality.
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  Speaker 2: A mouse in the corner is one way to bring
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  Speaker 2: you back down to earth. When you think, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 2: burning out of control.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. A mouse in the corner will make you go,
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  Speaker 1: I could be doing better.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still slamming it, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So you've been doing that. Maybe, I think, should we
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  Speaker 2: just dive into it? We have a lot, a lot
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  Speaker 2: to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because a lot has been happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And so we are recording a little early.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because, again, a lot is happening. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, we are pre-recording this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It should come out Tuesday, but the Emmy is happening
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, woof. The Republican National Convention.
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  Speaker 2: That's the big talking point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's the big talking point. And perhaps the biggest talking
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  Speaker 2: point out of that is Trump's promise.
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  Speaker 1: To Americans, to every American, Democrat.
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  Speaker 2: Republican, every Democrat. So long as the Republicans win the
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  Speaker 2: House and the Senate in the midterms, everyone is going
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  Speaker 2: to get 5K large. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess I would just say, Is part of
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  Speaker 1: you conflicted? No, not at all. I'm wondering if it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be held in the same account as the
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  Speaker 1: Doge checks that never came and the tariff checks that
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  Speaker 1: never came. And like, you know, his judgments that he's
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  Speaker 1: been ordered to pay that still haven't come.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, Josh, some people would say third time's the charm. And, okay,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. So you're saying you're not conflicted because
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  Speaker 2: of the person making the promise? Yes. They have broken
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  Speaker 2: so many promises in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not just that. I'm not conflicted because as soon
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  Speaker 1: as you do something like this, it's actually so corrupt
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  Speaker 1: that as soon as you do it, it's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: then now I got to do the opposite of whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want me to do. Because the idea that he's
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  Speaker 1: just straight down to bribing the country.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Like to just be like, hey, if you vote this way.
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  Speaker 1: I can give you $ 5, 000, which also, this is someone
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  Speaker 1: who never should have been allowed around the Fed. Because
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  Speaker 1: the idea that we're going to print a $ 5, 000 enough,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the math doesn't even work on that.
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  Speaker 2: It comes down to a trillion plus. Yeah. A trillion plus.
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  Speaker 2: But I think for me, the interesting part is, because
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  Speaker 2: Trump is a businessman. We all know this. But, and
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  Speaker 2: he slaps a price tag on everything. But the fact
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  Speaker 2: that he has actually slapped a price tag on American
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  Speaker 2: democracy is like so, like even by Trump's standards, as
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  Speaker 2: you said, even by his own standards, this is a
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  Speaker 2: bit too much. He went like each vote, I can
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  Speaker 2: cost it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I can put a price point to it. And
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  Speaker 2: that's $ 5, 000. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't even know if he thought it
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  Speaker 1: out that much. I genuinely think he was like, he
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  Speaker 1: was just talking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And then somebody did the math later. Because I
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  Speaker 1: think that's how he operates. I think that's how a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those guys operate, where it's like they make
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  Speaker 1: a big promise or they say something crazy. And then
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  Speaker 1: everyone else ends up doing the math. Like everyone else
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  Speaker 1: is like, oh, actually, I don't think we have that.
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  Speaker 2: If you saw the images, I think Scott Besant, that's
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  Speaker 2: the treasury secretary, because he was shown on screen after
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  Speaker 2: Trump announced this. And you could see his face going like, oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what's also wild about it is that if
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  Speaker 1: if Republicans had policies that were good for working families,
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  Speaker 1: good for individuals, good, good for anyone other than like
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  Speaker 1: culture war stuff or like the sort of vice signaling
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  Speaker 1: that comes with proudly deporting people who are trying to
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  Speaker 1: immigrate the right way. And like if there was anything
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  Speaker 1: to offer but that it would be worth more than
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  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. If you really had policy that could
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  Speaker 1: improve people's lives, you wouldn't need to do the runaround
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  Speaker 1: and be like, well, here's five grand cash. I know
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  Speaker 1: that you're hemorrhaging money and that you can't make ends
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  Speaker 1: meet because my war made gas more expensive, because my
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  Speaker 1: tariffs made everything more expensive, because I'm getting into these
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  Speaker 1: weird trade wars with Canada, so let's make up for
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  Speaker 1: it with this money. And it's the consistent promise. It's
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  Speaker 1: what what the tariff check was supposed to be. It's
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  Speaker 1: what the Doge check was supposed to be. And not
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  Speaker 1: only did those things not come, but we've already seen
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  Speaker 1: the blueprint. Doge is going to defund a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: government programs that you genuinely need. Then whenever the time
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  Speaker 1: comes where you would normally need that thing, it won't
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  Speaker 1: be there. And it's going to cost you way more
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  Speaker 1: than your taxes were costing you for it to just exist.
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  Speaker 1: But here's a $ 5, 000 bandaid, which is genuinely a drop
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  Speaker 1: in the bucket compared to what everything is costing people now.
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  Speaker 2: So essentially what you're saying is if you're a good
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  Speaker 2: present parent, you don't need to bribe your kid to
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  Speaker 2: brush their teeth. That's essentially what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Not even just that. I think that if you're a
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  Speaker 1: good present parent, you don't need to like come up
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  Speaker 1: with a car on their 16th birthday because you've missed
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  Speaker 1: every other birthday, you know?
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  Speaker 2: The interesting thing about it also, because you've said about
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  Speaker 2: Trump coming up, maybe made this up on the fly
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  Speaker 2: and now people have to do the cleanup. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know whether you saw this. It was J.D. Vance having
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  Speaker 2: to now start putting like caveats and disclaimers and, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the money will only be sent to people
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  Speaker 2: who earn below a particular threshold. And that made me
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  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, when you're watching those drug commercials
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  Speaker 2: and then the drugs make all these promises about how
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  Speaker 2: they're going to heal all these things, and then you
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  Speaker 2: have the voice of a guy who comes and speaks
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  Speaker 2: super fast and tries to go like, okay, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but if this drug causes these many side effects, please
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  Speaker 2: call your doctor or call 911. That's what it felt like.
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  Speaker 2: When J.D. was asked by folks, oh, how is this
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  Speaker 2: going to happen and won't it bankrupt the country? And
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  Speaker 2: then it started putting all these conditions. Because initially we thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: every citizen is going to get the money. And then J.D.
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, no, you need to earn a particular amount.
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  Speaker 1: It's very funny that... It's very funny when you look
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  Speaker 1: at J.D. as someone who very much wants to be
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  Speaker 1: president one day, that he doesn't... The reason I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he'll ever get there. This is just me. But
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  Speaker 1: the reason I really don't think he'll ever be able
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  Speaker 1: to become president is because outside of a completely rigged system.
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  Speaker 1: I think he makes so many missteps that would ingratiate
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  Speaker 1: him to the public. Like like I like if you're
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  Speaker 1: if you're J.D. and Trump says this.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 1: Don't try to save him right now. That's that man's idea.
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  Speaker 1: Let him tell you what he means. Because now you're
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  Speaker 1: bearing yourself with him because now you're like, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: know he said every. Which... would seem like he means every.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm going to be the one. I'm actually going
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  Speaker 1: to be the wet blanket that comes and is like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: actually under 50,000 a year. And also, why are you
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  Speaker 1: adding the stipulations that make it reasonable when this isn't
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  Speaker 1: even your idea? So why would you go down with
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  Speaker 1: the ship? Also, it's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, why would you even? If I were JD.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I could live with myself. I would then be like.
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  Speaker 1: And you could look yourself in the mirror. And I
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  Speaker 1: could look myself in the mirror. I would then be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: that's the president's idea.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, no. But all your reservations aren't withstanding. Because you,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, you're a reasonable American. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: there are sections of the American voting public? that might
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  Speaker 2: actually be swayed by this promise, regardless of whether it
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  Speaker 2: will come true or it will come to pass? Do
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  Speaker 2: you think that people who are thinking, oh, should I
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  Speaker 2: vote Republican or should I vote Democrat, do you think
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  Speaker 2: that independents who actually might switch their minds or switch
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  Speaker 2: their vote based on this promise?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the people, I don't know who this
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  Speaker 1: is swaying. Just because this is the third check promise.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like one for four with checks. Like he actually.
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  Speaker 2: He's bashing us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He actually did send the COVID check.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't even know if everybody got one because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like some people were happy about it and
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  Speaker 1: some people were complaining and some people called it welfare
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  Speaker 1: and whatever. And then he was talking about the Doge check.
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  Speaker 2: Never came. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then the tariff check. And then now this check.
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  Speaker 1: And I just, I don't know. Because even if you.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you are hard up for money right now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think, personally to me, it's not wise to
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  Speaker 1: vote a certain way just because this guy promised money
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  Speaker 1: that is not his that he cannot promise. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: better to, and it depends on, you know, it also
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  Speaker 1: depends on people's voting history, it feels like, more than ever.
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  Speaker 1: Because I know, for me, it's insane and it's illegal.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not a reason to vote any sort of way.
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  Speaker 1: I think the people who.
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  Speaker 2: Trump will tell you that's what makes it hotter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would say that. You are speaking in the
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  Speaker 1: exact voice of the president right now. He would be like,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't that make it way hotter that we shouldn't even
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  Speaker 1: be doing it? I do think the people that are
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  Speaker 1: swayed by that vote are going to be people who
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  Speaker 1: were not paying attention. I think for anyone, if someone
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  Speaker 1: owed me money, and promise me more money?
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  Speaker 2: If I only lent them more money, yes.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, you're out of favors. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You're out of favors.
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  Speaker 2: But that wasn't the only crazy thing happening. Also, the
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  Speaker 2: fact that, okay, so this, for people who maybe weren't following,
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  Speaker 2: this is the first of its kind. This is the
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  Speaker 2: first Republican National Convention for the midterms. Normally, they hold
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  Speaker 2: these for the generations, but this is the first one
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  Speaker 2: for the midterms. And I don't know that you saw
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  Speaker 2: how much money they raised, 41 million. for the candidates.
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  Speaker 2: Some people think it would just go straight into Trump's pockets.
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  Speaker 2: But then there were some crazy things happening. There was
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  Speaker 2: a meet and greet where if you paid $ 80, 000, you
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: actually got a photo with Trump? If you paid $ 35, 000,
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  Speaker 2: you got a photo with J.D. Vance. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: who would. $ 80, 000 for Trump, I can get it. Because
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  Speaker 2: Trump has, like, the charisma. Marga loves him.
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  Speaker 1: $ 35, 000 for J.D.
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  Speaker 2: Vance feels a bit steep.
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  Speaker 1: J.D.
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  Speaker 2: Vance should be paying $ 35, 000 for people to take pictures
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  Speaker 2: with him. He needs evidence that he has friends.
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  Speaker 1: What's funny to me about $ 35, 000 is that it's still
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  Speaker 1: less than half. Half, yes. I, uh... I also don't know,
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  Speaker 1: did you watch the convention?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I did watch parts of it, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The first night.
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  Speaker 1: Why was Hassan Piker's picture up of him like flexing?
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  Speaker 2: Because everything is going so badly. The economy is in
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  Speaker 2: the gutters. The war with Iran is extremely unpopular. What
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  Speaker 2: they have decided to do is to go like the
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  Speaker 2: Democratic Party is getting too radical and getting almost too left-wing.
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  Speaker 2: for even the most left-leaning people. So they are trying to...
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  Speaker 2: They're just trying to go like... They're embracing the radicals.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going like Hassan Paika and Zoran Mamoudani, and
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  Speaker 2: they're trying basically to use the politics of fear. Go like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you see that this party is not just like the
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  Speaker 2: Democratic Party. It's almost like the Al-Qaeda or Islamist wing...
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  Speaker 2: over American leftist ideals. And so that's why Hassan Paik
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  Speaker 2: has become such a casual that they used to beat
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  Speaker 2: every Democrat candidate with. And I think that's why they
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  Speaker 2: were highlighting him.
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  Speaker 1: I hear you, but this is an odd picture to use.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It's like Hassan Paik and Magic Mike. XXL.
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  Speaker 1: What were they thinking?
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  Speaker 2: It's just a very flattering picture. Yeah! Of Hassan Paik.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah!
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  Speaker 2: You know, the abs... You know, he's fixing those muscles.
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  Speaker 1: This dude literally streams. There's got to be at least
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  Speaker 1: one picture of him, like, mouth half open with food
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  Speaker 1: in it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, you're saying a picture that doesn't flatter you.
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  Speaker 1: This dude, this dude right here, I didn't even know
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: he was built like that.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. It's very hard when someone's streaming. You're saying
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: what was the creative inspiration behind the picture.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: This is insane. Like, if you're trying to tell me
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: someone's bad.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: That's not the picture to use.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: If you're telling me someone is, like, an evil threat
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: to democracy, if you're telling me someone is a monster,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: this isn't the picture to use.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: He looks like... You remember the picture of Kumail when he.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when he got.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when he got raped for, like, the Marvel's movie?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: He looks like that. Even in the Kumail thing, they
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: were promoting a movie.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: These people are, like, telling a bunch of lies about Hassan.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And then, why'd they blur the underwear out?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Because you can see it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: You can see the underwear, and you can also see
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: its underwear. So it's like you're not even blurring. There's
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: no naked image to blur.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: They should have blurred out the abs, I think. The abs.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: If I were independent, and I was leaning a bit Republican,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I would vote for whichever party this guy belongs to.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: This guy looks ripped, yes.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: It looks really, really good.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Like this is not hitting the liberal soy boy allegations
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: at all. No, it's like this is what they wish
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: they were built like.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: He looks like he has upper body strength, which is
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the thing they always accuse liberals of never having. He
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: looks like he actually lifts. In this picture, yeah. No,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: maybe enough about Assad. Let's talk about something else that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: has been causing waves in the news.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the grinder crashing. The grinder crashing because everyone showed
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: up to the convention and then they saw a picture
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: of Assad and Piker and then they went outside.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But this always happens, you know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It always happens.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: It has become such a meme now.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: That every time Republicans gather for any sort of thing, well,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: apart from maybe... the insurrection, because maybe they had other
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: things to do then.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one time they were busy.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Every time they gather in a place, Grindr always crashes
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: in that place. It's almost too busy.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Crashing is wild. To not just be like, oh, we
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: went up in usage by 80%. Crashed is crazy. Most
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: apps are not crashing from use, because that's what they're
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: there for. Imagine if it's like, hey, everybody was looking
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: at the time, so you know that time app that
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: comes on your phone? Yes, yes, yes. Crash. Nobody knows
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the time now. Doesn't really happen. Like, apps can crash.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: It does happen. But I just.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: It really happens with this much frequency.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: You have to be... I don't even know how hard
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you have to hit the buttons to get Grindr to crash.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Like to get, to get, shouldn't Grindr, okay, before we talk,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: shouldn't Grindr be preparing for these eventualities now? I feel
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: like it has happened enough times.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I think Grindr is in a position now where they're like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: where they're deciding that the story is worth not fixing
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the problem. The story is worth, because here's the thing.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: If you're Grindr, you know. And so now you're like,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: oh wait, they're going to hold the first ever Republican
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: national convention in Dallas on this week. We should increase
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the bandwidth for traffic. We should. Or we could not.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And then when it crashes, everybody's talking about Grindr again
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: for a week or two. You know? So, I don't know.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Do you think they were using? No, they were not.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Because it just came out. I was just about to ask,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: do you think they were using the new iPhone Duo?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Was it out?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it was unveiled. But I'm saying, what better way
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to actually scroll Grindr than to use the new? It's
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: on the iPhone. Fast foldable phone in the world. Even
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: if so many Americans are acting like it is the fast.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Because people use Google and Android. I'm a proud Samsung user.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: And I know that. To Americans, that's like heresy. But
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Samsung has been putting out these phones before. But for
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: some reason, Apple puts out its first ever. Yeah. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it sent shockwaves across the industry. And also went trending
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: number one all over the internet. Yeah. So.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: My thing with Apple phones, not at all. I'm not
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: even excited. I don't like how they get you to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: watch the conference. And then you show up watching the conference,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: whether you show up in person or you're watching on
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: your computer. And they're like, this new phone? I don't
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: know who sold you your last piece of trash phone.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And it's their fault! It's always them trashing the model
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: that they said was the best and cutting edge and everything.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And then they're like, no, you still have the old... Oh.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you were broke. That's crazy. You still
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: have the old one that we sold you? That's insane.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you would buy it from us. That thing,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to me, I don't really get into the unveiling stuff because, one...
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I think that all of the true features, and this
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is not correct. Like if you build apps or if
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you work in tech, like I'm saying a very ignorant
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: thing right now, I'm just saying how it feels as
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the consumer, is that whether you watch those presentations or not,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: everything that is great about the phone and everything that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: is new about the phone will be summed up by
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the people who buy the phone. And so that's why
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I say, okay, outside of.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Explain, because I don't quite follow it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So outside of space, like outside of actual space on
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the phone, I don't know what improvements were made for like...
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: There's like a chunk of generations of iPhone, like four
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: phones straight, where all they changed was the camera.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Like minimal changes every time.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Very small. And so if you... Let's say you don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: even engage with the presentation just six months later after
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the phone comes out. It's like, you know, May of
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: next year. And you're like, hey, how... how is that phone?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Because you have the new one, right? And so many
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: people would tell you, like, it's got a better camera,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: but that's about it. And so that's why I don't
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: go for the presentation sometimes because I'm like, even now,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: this thing isn't out yet.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So you're kind of over-promising.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: The thing I like about, first of all, the thing
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you said about Apple basically bullying its customers into buying
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the new one, going like, oh, if you're still holding,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: shame on you.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: We don't even make that case anymore.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Don't talk to me peasant if you're still holding.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Please don't drop it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing I liked about that, because I'd never
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: thought of it like that, but the thing I liked
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: about it is it shows that it works, though. Because
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Apple consumers are some of the most fanatical. Like, if
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you believe there's a cult of Steve Jobs.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Apple consumers really swear. And I've been bullied many times
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: because apparently my text bubbles come out green or something
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: in the group chat.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: No, not or something. No, no. They're bright green.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying I don't even know how they
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: come out.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But I've been bullied by writers.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: No, I hear you.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: And this is 12 years in and I'm like, no,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not. Because I find Apple very restrictive. And I
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: know why it's restrictive. It's like security and all this.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But the thing you're saying about... apple consumers being bullied
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: into buying the latest apple product is fascinating to me
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: because it clearly works apple is like if you're mean
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to your consumers they will actually turn up and buy
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the product you want them to buy yeah.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean i i don't really get what the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: appeal is at a certain at a certain point it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like you need yes everyone is using their phone and
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: our lives and our work and everything is like put
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: into the phone. So I get, I get needing one.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I also get like how you can't, you don't always
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: have the luxury, whether it's your job or it's, uh, it's,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it's how you work or even just how you think
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and you organize thoughts. I understand now everybody can afford
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to go without the smartphone. I get why people engage
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: in it and get one. Um, But for me personally,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: what I really think is weird is that I don't
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: think enough people are questioning this model of like, so
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: they're going to release a phone every year just to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: make the money. They're actually releasing phones faster than they're
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: improving the phone. Because if we look at iPhone as
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: one thing, it's like it had that little dip where
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: nothing was different. And I think to still be excited
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: about a product after that is a little silly.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Some people say it's foldable, though.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Flip phones were foldable. Like, I don't know what the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: vibe is with... I can fold it in half. It's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: glass I can fold. It's like, I don't... Yeah, maybe
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I just don't get it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: The price point, almost $ 2, 000, is that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Do you think that will dissuade people? No, no.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: That will make it more of a status symbol now?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: No, they're trying to build out a subscription service for it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard this thing. I don't even know
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: if it's a conspiracy theory, but there's someone that was
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: talking about how in the future they would like for you,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they'd like the phone to be expensive enough, but also
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: cheap enough that they could put the phone on subscription service.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: So the actual phone, you know how you can rent
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to buy it? You can like pay in all these
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: installments over 16 months, whatever. What I've heard is that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: maybe not just Apple even, but some of these phone companies,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: especially Apple, I believe, want to make it so that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you're just paying like 60 bucks a month. And then
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: they'll even like upgrade you to the one, like technically
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this already exists. But then they'll even upgrade you to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the point where you never earned and owned that phone.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Like that phone was like almost a rental.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: And not everything can subscribe to being in that subscription model.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're saying some things you need to own.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Eventually something you just got to own. Like imagine if
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you were on a bottled water membership. And so you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: paid per sips. But you're the only one that gets
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: these bottles of water.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: It's like, that doesn't help me if I'm also paying
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: per sip.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, I just want the bottle of water.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Now it doesn't matter if it's in a bottle. If
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just paying per sip.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I hear you, I hear you. Do you think, okay,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: so again, you said you don't care for the unveiling.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: You don't care that much for the presentation. Do you
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: think the presentations have lost a bit of their luster
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: since Steve Jobs passed?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think we don't really look at tech
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: bros and tech people in general as gurus anymore. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I also think that less and less of them are
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: selling something anybody wants. Like if you look at the top,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: top people in tech right now, they're all AI people.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And they're all working on models of things that not
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: only destroy industries and whatever, replace jobs if you want
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to put it that way. They also are made by
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: people who are openly making something that people don't want
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: them to make. which was not the case with Steve jobs.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Steve jobs was like, what if, and, and I mean,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: he didn't do it. He got a team of engineers
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to do it, but he's like, he was a vision.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: He had the vision or he had the idea, or
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: at least he marshaled the idea, which was what if
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I put the entire music industry.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But that's my thing. It's like, okay, imagine if Steve jobs,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: like this is maybe the best example. Imagine if Steve
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: jobs had said from the beginning when he's doing that first, uh,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: iPod presentation that he only talked about, very openly and honestly,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that he only talked about how this would make it
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: harder to make music, this would make it hard to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: make a living making music, this would seem good at first,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: but it would mean that your favorite artists that you love,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: artists you listen to every day, not just would be starving,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: they would also have to pay extra to give you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a version of their music that is actually yours because
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: if Steve Jobs had come out and said hey y'all
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I want to license the rest of the history of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: music so no one will own an album or anything
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and if anybody ever gets in trouble or says the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: wrong thing or whatever we could just pull the album
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: from a bunch of platforms that don't exist yet because
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think the DSBs were like really a thing
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: until the internet music media started getting going But in
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that scenario, people would be like, oh, we don't want
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that then.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: But because he came out and he was like the sleekest,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: easiest to use, most intuitive tool that you've ever seen
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is here.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: But then maybe that's the thing you're also saying. Maybe
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Steve Jobs had the charisma that none of the tech
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: boys now have. If you think Zuckerberg, if you think
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk. Musk, if you think Sam Altman, the one
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: thing that at least he had that they don't is
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a charisma. He knew how to present, he knew how
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to sell.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Because I realize in America, you can still sell something
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that's not great so long as you're good at selling it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take everything from... him, but I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: think that it's truly not even his charisma. I think
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it's the fact that he was selling something people were
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: interested in that was innovative and was a lot of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the things that he was promising, and then we didn't
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: have the tech backlash that we have now. So I
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: don't think any of those people, even if they switched
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: out Steve Jobs with somebody, I don't think any of them,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: because of how they operate and because of the ethos
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of their companies, they would never actually come up with
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a With another Steve Jobs in that way that really
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: got people jazzed up about a product that was solving
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a problem they didn't know they had. Now what these
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: people do are solve problems that people are like, that's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: not a problem. That's actually how humans live.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Should we maybe look forward to some of the stories
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: we probably are going to be talking about next week?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And we're not even going to change gears. We're going
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: to stay in the same lane.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Take.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You saw the alarming story that came out. Apparently, and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: this was an anthropic researcher, and he quit, but he
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: went like, there's a huge chance that in the next
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: 10 years, AI is going to kill us all. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: was alarmed, but then... I still have the lifeboat. And
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I told this to the other writers. If this AI
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: apocalypse happens, I can just go back to Uganda because
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think Africa will be as impacted.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Sure, but you don't... I think the U.S.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Will be ground zero.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably. But you don't think that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I still have a life raft. That's how I look
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: at it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And then Uganda now will be the one building a wall,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: stopping Americans from trying to come in because we've seen
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: what you guys have done. No, but I saw that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: story and immediately the first thing that came to my
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: mind was, you know, when you watch these movies, when
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you watch Terminator, when you watch Jurassic Park, all these
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: like doomsday movies in a way, you go like, but
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you could have stopped it. Like, there's a point when
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you're watching the movie and you're going like, are you
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: guys morons? Idiot, stop it now.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: And I feel like we're at that point. This research
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: has told us, guys, in 10 years, this thing could
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: kill all of us. Yeah. This is the point to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: stop it now. And I don't know, how do you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: feel about, like, how do you feel, first of all,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: about this research as, like, conclusion and how did you
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: process that news?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope he unplugged something on the way out. Like,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: that's a wild thing to be like, hey, y'all, they
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: gonna kill everybody. Here's the thing. I very much appreciate
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the conversation that it brought on. I very much appreciate
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: what people are responding with and that the person did it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: What I don't fully get is where this person, I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: know that everything doesn't necessarily fall on their feet, but
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: they did work there, so I'm wondering what their insights are.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: What do they expect the general public to do with
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: this information that they're giving out? I get how it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: not even necessarily whistleblowing. It's just being like, hey, I
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: quit and here's why I quit, but And plenty of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: people had hunches. Like, plenty of people have been telling
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: us this is going to happen, this is going to happen.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But I guess, what is his suggestion for what we as, like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: all as individuals should do? Because that is something I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: didn't see.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: No, I would think, I think he gave us a
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: heads up.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And sometimes you can give a heads up without actually
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: offering solutions. You just go like, hey, the house is
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: on fire. Now, you could go like, hey, the house
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: is on fire. Someone call 911. 911. or the house
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: is on fire, someone get a bucket, or the house
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: is on fire, someone break glass and do the whole
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: thing and alarm this. Or he could just scream fire
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: so that people can just get out while they can.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what he was trying to do.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: No, I hear that, and I can appreciate it. I'm
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just saying that he's someone who actually understands a good
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: portion of the tech. So I think him offering up
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a solution would have been huge of like, hey, look,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: If you see your computer, just pour a cup of
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: water on it or whatever that is. Yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: No, but then do you think, because also I was
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: talking to the other writers, and do you think the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: public is at a point now where they've made, where
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: we've become so reliant and so dependent on AI that
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: we've made our peace with the fact that actually AI
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: killing us could be the cost of us using AI?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think people have made peace with it of anything.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I think they live in a delusion where they're like, well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that's someone else's water that's being polluted or that's someone
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: else's resources that are falling apart. And I will do
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: what it takes to take care of myself and my family.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And I think that that exact thinking is why we're
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: in the situation that we're in. You're not going to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: be able to vote out all injustice and corruption. It's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: not going to happen. And so I think that a
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: lot of my frustration with the response is people either
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: really arguing with it from a place of like, oh,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: this whole thing's overblown, but they're not telling us how
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: it's overblown.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And then it didn't help that his former coworker, somebody
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: who still works at Anthropic, is like, he right, y'all.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Because they did say he was right, but they put
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the chances at 10%, which is still not reassuring.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Look, if there was a 10% chance somebody was going
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: to come to this room and whoop both of us,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and like bad, like within an inch of our lives,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I think we would leave the room for no reason.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I think we wouldn't even need the reason that, If
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: someone ran in here and was like, someone's coming and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they have a, I'm already starting to walk out.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: But then some people will say that if AI is
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: so dangerous, because this is another argument I've had. If
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: AI is so dangerous and could actually lead to an
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: extinction level event, then maybe people should actually be working
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: there to try to control it. Yeah. They're saying it's inevitable.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: So maybe people should be working there because they're going like, oh,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: AI has now become superhuman enough that it keeps breaking
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: out of these digital cages. And so some people go like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: but then we need people there. If the lions have
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: become so crazy that they're breaking out of the zoo,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: maybe we need zookeepers to actually help keep the lions
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: inside the zoo.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's still a very, very optimistic, positive outlook
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: on something that we've been told is kind of like
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: across the board unequivocally bad. Because here's the thing. It's
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: clear their objective. They want to outsource intelligence. Them outsourcing
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: intelligence will make them money. So them having us on
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a live subscription to Anthropic or OpenAI or whatever, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: then using the prompt to be like, hey, how do
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I talk to my wife? I don't know. She's mad
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: at me.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-mm.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And then you build the skills to talk to the machine,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: but we lose the skills to talk to each other.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: It's the same way where more people used to know
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: directions before the maps were.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, before GPS, before yes.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And so you have to ask yourself at a certain point,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: how much of this is like us still even being human?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: You know, like this is like, and, you know, feel
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: free to cut this if this doesn't make sense or
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: seems too dark. But I do think a lot of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the people who want to endlessly use AI don't really
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: want to be here. I think that if you are
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: sitting there and you're like, wow, I don't have to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: do anything. This will do it for me. This will
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: do it for me. This will do it for me. Okay.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: But what are you then doing with your time? Because
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: if you're not doing anything with your time, then I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: don't know if you really value what this computer is
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: doing for you. You know?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I hear you. But then some people go like, do
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: you think we... are long past the point of no return.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Do you think human beings are like, no, we can't
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: go back to the way things were being done?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: No, I would have thought that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I can't go back to pre-GPS days because me holding
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: like a big printed map on the subway is just
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: too inconvenient.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: No, I think that I don't believe that at all.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And I probably would believe it if COVID hadn't happened. Oh, okay.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: In COVID, we watched all the people who should be workaholics,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: who should be like working on their car or whatever
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: their interest is, we saw all those people's brains literally
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: heal from not being able to go out and just
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: be like, like getting a little stir crazy or getting
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: bored or whatever. It's like, all right, that proves that
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: there's still a person behind all of the dopamine hits
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: of convenience, you know? And so I don't really worry
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: about that. I don't think that we'll get to some
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: sort of, point of no return i worry about literacy
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: i worry about like kids ability to problem solve uh
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: because that's definitely changing in real time but yeah i
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: don't i don't know man do.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: You think there's a part of humanity or there's a
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: part of just being a human being that makes us
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes behave like water like always want the path
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: of least resistance if offered that path And you think
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that's the kind of temptation that AI keeps like digging into?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: If you offer, if you have a human being a
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: chance to spend a thousand, okay let's say 10,000 hours,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: and actually working on a task and just offer them
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: a chance of just accomplishing the same in three seconds.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: They'll take the three seconds over the 10,000 hours. Do
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you think? No.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Here's my thing. I think that people who earnestly want
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to do things want to do them because they want
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to do them. I also think that we live in
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: a society now that doesn't actually reward quality, doesn't actually
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: reward real goods and services. And In the last two years,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I think our entire American economic system has only really
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: rewarded scams. And if you can come up with a
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: scam in three seconds that will make you $ 3 million,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I can see the incentive being... It's just leaning all
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the way in that direction. Whereas I think that if
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you are... Like, I want to make music. Why do
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you want to make music? Because I like music. I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: think I like making music. I like expressing myself through music.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: That person... I'm not saying none of them are going
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to dabble in AI, but I feel like that person,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: what they get out of it is doing it. Whereas
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the person who's like.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: They take the joy in doing the thing.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Whereas there's a person out there that doesn't, they can't
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: sing or dance. They have no interest in singing or dancing,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: but they very much like to be famous. Yes.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And so that's the person I think goes right to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the AI.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: You did want us to get back. So maybe now, time.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Time for something we call a little daily show and tell.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: You know, is there anything you've engaged with recently, something
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: you've read, something you've watched, something you've listened to, or
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: even argued about, or that's just on your mind that
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: you want to share with us?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Two things. I know we've already mentioned it, but I.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: None of them dark, hopefully.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: No, this stuff is fine.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: But I went to Montreal and did some shows and
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: was doing comedy band camp there and everything. And I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: just want to say thank you so much to everybody
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that came. I met some really, really incredible people after
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the shows and just had a really unforgettable time. I
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: also went to Drawn and Quarterly, which is a book
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and comic book publisher. And they've published some of... the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: most interesting work I've read in a long time.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt, but is there something about Montreal, particularly
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: as a city, that separates it from all the other
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: destinations where you've taken the band camp?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I think separates from... Because I know the whole state. Yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: separates from the audience. The audience is there already very
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: comedy savvy, but not just in a way where they
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: just watch U.S. comedians. There's people... that speak French, that
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: do well there, obviously, just because so much of the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: population speaks French. But there's also people who come from
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: all over the world and have all of these different perspectives.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I find that the people in Montreal are very open
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and interested in the rest of the world. And even
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: when I was in the bookstore, even when I was
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: in that bookstore, what I liked about it was the sections.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Every bookstore has, you know, their genre sections and everything.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But I felt like the selection of what they decided
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to have in the store were things I had not
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: seen anywhere else. And so it's more than just going
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: for the horror section. It's like the books they've chosen
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to stock the store with are really interesting books I
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: just had not seen anywhere else. And so I ended
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: up getting a lot of stuff and I've been cracking
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: into a little bit of it now.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Why are you taking the band camp next? Because then
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: they have a huge. Yes. They have huge shoes to fill.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: They have like a huge. Because Montreal has set the
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: standard so high.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. By the time you hear this, I'll still have Hartford,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Connecticut coming up and like Albany and stuff like that.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: On top of that, we have shows in Nashville coming up.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: But.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: You can find all of the tickets anywhere that you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: would like me to go. Just let me know. Go
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to joshonsoncomedy.com and you can go ahead and buy tickets.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And if it looks sold out, I'm probably going to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: add a show. So join the email list. We'll be
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the first to let you know when we've added the show.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: That way we can get around some of the third-party scammers, resellers,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: all sorts like that. I can just let you know, Joe,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you want to come? Come to the show. So the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: email list is the way that we... do that. But,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: but that's been, honestly, it's taken up so much of
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: my time when we were on hiatus is what I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: spent almost all my time doing was either planning things
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: for the show or doing the shows and touring with everyone.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So it's, it's really unique. I'm really excited about, uh,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: more people coming out. And, um, you can also online
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: on my website or, um, Instagram, you can take the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: personality quiz. It'll tell you what troop you're in. And
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: then you'll show up. You can meet people who are
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: in your troop and everything.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: People who belong in the same troop in the band camp.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's very innovative.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm hoping that people enjoy it a lot
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and use it to make friends at the show and everything. Oh, no, no.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: That sounds... It frankly sounds like the thing you said
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: about community earlier. Because you said, oh, you'd miss this
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: part because you didn't go to band camp. But I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: like the troop idea because then you... If you meet
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: like-minded people, that gives you something much more to bond
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: over than just, oh, we were at a comedy show
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: and maybe we're all fans of Josh. But then among
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the fans of Josh, they have different personalities and different interests.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Very innovative.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited for people to check
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: out the shows and just see what we've been up to. Oh,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: You know, that's all the time we had for the Pre-Cup.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: But as always, remember, you can't catch... I'm Joe Opio,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: but you can catch Josh. He's going to be your
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: host this week. You can catch him hosting the show
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: on Comedy Central, on Paramount Plus, and right here in
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: podcast form on The Daily Show, year's edition. Thanks for
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: joining us. It was Joe Opio and the Big J-Dog,
• 46:07
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• 46:09
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