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Brant Hansen: Following Jesus, And Why We Need More Godly Men Today · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Well, God bless you, friends and family in Christ.
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  Thanks for watching and sharing the podcast, World View Matters.
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  Our guest today, Brant Hansen, will be with us in a minute.
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  You can get to his website, branthansen.com.
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  We're going to be talking about cure in a national cure.org.
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  We're also going to be talking about some of his recent books.
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  I mean, so many great ones.
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  I hope you've picked up at least one or two unoffendable.
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  God has good life.
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  His heart lets dance.
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  The truth about us, the men we need, and now the young men we need is which we'll
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  talk about in just a little bit.
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  And a great conference that he was a part of, and I think that should catch on around
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  the nation.
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  But first, we have to start off with a little friendly competition, and Brant is ahead.
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  But I want to quote, producer Sherry Lynn about the recent followership conference.
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  And she said, to say I was overwhelmed by the responses and understatement.
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  People come from 32 states and three countries to hang out with us and talk about Jesus is
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  just surreal.
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  It was such a wonderful family atmosphere.
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  And quote, we'll get an update from Brant on that conference in a minute.
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  But I want to share, our fundraiser is done.
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  Thank you for keeping us going, friends.
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  And I want to shout out to the states that we've got Missouri, North Dakota, Tennessee,
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  Wisconsin, Maryland, Canada, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin.
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  I already said Wisconsin, Connecticut, Ohio, New Mexico, New York, Minnesota, Illinois,
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  Washington, Mexico City, Georgia, Illinois, Nebraska, North Carolina, Texas, Iowa,
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  Toronto, Virginia, Wyoming, Nevada, and California.
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  We are six short of Brant and Sherry's 32 states, but I think we're tied with countries.
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  So Brant Hansen, welcome back to World New Matters.
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  Good to see you.
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  Thanks, man.
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  I didn't know I was in a competition, but it's good that we're winning.
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  Yeah, you're ahead.
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  That's awesome.
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  You're ahead.
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  God bless you and your show.
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  I love what you're doing.
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  So let's start off.
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  I loved what you did with that conference.
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  And just the title itself says a lot, not only about you, but about, I think what the
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  direction we should be going instead of trying to pump leaders.
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  And you said something really interesting about servant leaders.
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  And I thought, no, it should just be leadership.
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  Go ahead and share about the followership conference.
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  Yeah.
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  It's always took me a little hard because we love leadership conferences.
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  And I guess that's great.
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  But Jesus sure talked about following a lot.
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  And I was like, did anybody interested if we did a conference was actually about how
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  to follow Jesus?
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  Have to actually do the stuff that he told us to do?
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  Like, how to actually love your enemies, bless people who don't like you and how to turn
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  the other cheek, who walks extra mile like all that Jesus stuff.
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  Like shouldn't we talk about how to do that?
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  What I thought what happened to him was like, we would have maybe seven years, 75 people
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  show up.
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  I thought that'd be cool.
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  If we did this at a grace college in Indiana, and that's what I thought would happen.
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  We had 700 people show up.
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  Awesome.
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  It's just a tremendous desire to actually do Jesus stuff and understand that his way of
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  living is brilliant.
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  He knows what he's talking about and he's saying like, to forgive as we've been forgiven.
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  How do we do that?
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  Well, we talked about how to do it.
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  It's immediately practical to make your life better.
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  Like imagine.
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  So that was really cool.
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  I don't know if we'll do it again, we might.
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  But just to see that sort of reaction was blew us away.
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  And I think there's a real hunger and honestly, I feel like churches could do this.
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  You could actually teach people like, here's how to follow Jesus and talk about how to
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  do it.
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  And in a very practical way, I think there's a hunger for it.
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  Yeah.
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  I hope there's a hunger for it.
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  Did you trademark that by the way, followership?
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  I totally should have.
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  I am right now.
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  I called it right now.
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  Okay.
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  He's on record.
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  He's on record.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I said it, called it.
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  But I would love it if it just took off and people actually think that's what churches
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  are supposed to be doing.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  I think it's a cycle.
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  See, teach people how to follow the way of Jesus.
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  And it's like Dallas, Willard said, you can believe in grace.
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  And I certainly do.
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  We need it every day and desperately.
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  But grace isn't opposed to efforts.
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  It's opposed to earning.
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  So I don't deserve the kingdom of heaven.
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  I don't deserve it.
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  But I can certainly actually obey Jesus and find out that his way of living in the kingdom
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  life is actually a lot better than not.
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  Amen to that, brother.
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  And friends, you know, talk to your pastors because, and you don't have to use followership,
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  you know, well, you can't anymore, Brent is the trade market.
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  But you can have a conference about being servants, better servants of Christ.
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  And that includes not only the body bearing one another's burdens and serving the body
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  of Christ, but out in our communities.
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  And there's so much lack of salt and light today.
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  But Brent, I want to say, friends, if you want to go watch our previous podcast on his
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  previous book, which is called Life is Hard, God is Good, Let's Dance, go to worldviewmatters.tv
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  and type in the search, Brent Hansen and watch it.
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  Because one take away that I still, I told him before we got on today, I still, I just
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  love the fact that the example you gave about the guy, the busy guy that was outsourcing
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  everything to his assistant or secretary.
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  And one night he said, I'm, you know, I'm worried about this, I'm going to outsource
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  that.
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  I'm going to tell my assistant to worry about this for me.
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  And I think it's important enough for you to mention that again, Brent, that's such
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  sure.
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  Good point.
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  Be so many people deal with anxiety and worry.
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  And if we just followed the biblical, you know, instruction on that, I think we'd be better
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  off.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well, it's so genius.
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  Well, the guy who was talking about was Tim Ferriss, he's like a time management guru.
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  He's not coming at it from a Christian standpoint or anything, but he did say he was worried
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  about something.
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  So as a joke, he told his assistant in India, could you worry about this for me today?
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  And she's like, okay, sir, I'll do that.
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  I'll put that on the list.
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  But what was funny is he said it worked, like just knowing someone else was worrying for
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  him, he freed him up to be able to think about other stuff.
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  And I thought, I bet it does work.
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  And what's more genius is the biblical idea that we're supposed to cast our cares on
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  the Lord because he loves us.
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  We're supposed to outsource our worries to him.
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  Yeah.
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  We're not supposed to be anxious to literally the Bible says, be anxious for nothing.
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  It says Paul writing, this is be anxious for nothing instead.
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  Pray about everything.
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  Tell God what you need.
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  So that's like, you're in my worries.
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  You take it.
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  And then thank him for what he's done.
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  And scripture says that that peace will guard your heart in Christ Jesus.
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  The peace we can't even understand.
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  And I sound that to be true.
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  You can actually outsource your worries to God.
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  He actually can do something about it, unlike a personal assistant, but this is a brilliant
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  way to live.
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  And once again, the Bible is showing us God's wisdom that freezes.
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  Amen.
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  And really trusting the Lord with all of our hearts, leaning not on our own understanding,
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  acknowledging him and all of our ways, he'll direct our steps, but you have to cast your
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  care.
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  I think that's a very important concept.
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  But, Brent, one of the things that drives you is cure international, your work and your
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  trips overseas.
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  And that really is a huge part of your life and your ministry.
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  Share about that.
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  Why cure is so important in your life and your heart.
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  Anybody who sees this breaks out.
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  And it's too bad that it's something of a secret, even among Christians, which is too
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  bad.
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  There's nothing like this in the rest of the world.
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  Your top notch surgical hospitals for the pediatric surgeries is neurosurgery, orthopedic surgery,
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  plastic surgery, for people who have nothing.
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  So, there's eight of these hospitals, their full-time top notch surgical hospitals.
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  Every one of those surgeries is done in the name of Jesus, overtly.
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  So each hospital is all about sharing the gospel openly with patients and healing people.
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  So it's healing and proclaiming the kingdom.
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  And last year, I think we had 40,000 people, this is not a graduation, and it's not a
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  trifle, it's not like we check a box, but we share the gospel with people these families
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  as we do surgeries on their kids.
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  Last year we had nearly 40,000 people become believers in hospitals and at the mobile clinics.
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  There's something about actually healing people, they did 18,000 surgeries last year.
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  Again, all in the name of Jesus, you go into OR, and I've been in there many times, but
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  you'll see the surgeons and the techs and the nurses praying over these little kids before
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  they start their surgeries, and it means they can get up and walk for the first time.
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  Or they've got a ignored cleft palate and lip, and they might be 17 years old, and it's
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  defined in their whole life and now they're made a whole, and they're told about a God
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  who loves them.
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  So it's the most, I'm smitten with it because to me, as somebody who's seen a lot of
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  religious stuff in my life, like this is the most Jesus shaped thing I've ever seen.
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  Like anybody mentioned, yeah, sorry, I was saying you mentioned in the past that some
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  of these kids or families looked at, they're looked down upon as cursed, because they
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  have a deformity or something, that is so, well, first of all, it's not biblical, it's
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  not American, but in a lot of these countries, they're superstitious, go ahead and talk about
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  that a little bit.
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  Right, and it makes sense now, when they brought that blind guy to Jesus, they're like,
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  okay, who sinned?
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  Was it him or his parents?
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  That's still the same thing.
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  In any traditional culture, that's still the same vibe.
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  So the moms are blamed, and I didn't know that until I first started visiting these
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  hospitals, but in each one of these cultures, you have a child who's got a correctable
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  disability that would be fixed like that in the US.
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  Well, the moms are told, you must have done something immoral while you were pregnant,
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  where you must have failed morally, and that's why you have this curse.
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  So people will run away screaming from the child, like, don't get the curse on us, don't
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  get the curse on our kids.
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  Sometimes the moms are kicked out of the community with the child.
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  So when they walk in the door, it cure our staff, it's very attentive to those, whether
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  it's, again, the nurses, housekeeping, the doctors themselves, like, they will go running
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  toward the door when they see them and say, oh my goodness, what a beautiful girl you
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  had, or what a handsome little boy, what a beautiful baby, and these moms have never
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  heard that before.
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  And we tell them, you're actually not cursed.
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  God is blessed to you with this child.
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  He loves you, you didn't do anything wrong, it's not your fault.
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  This happens so that God can be glorified, and then we heal their kids.
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  I know, like, this is Jesus stuff, so they go back into their villages and people are
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  like, who did this?
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  We thought you were cursed, and they're about to start talking about Jesus.
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  God's full opportunities.
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  Yeah, imagine, and it's like $1,000 for a surgery.
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  So that, to me, the impact for like my wife when I was like, holy smokes, are you kidding
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  me?
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  Um, so anyway, I visit these hospitals, anybody who goes, if you ever go and visit, you'll
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  come back or raving with a tick like me, you'll be like, we've got to do this is so good.
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  Okay, friends, want to remind you of the website, cure.org, and there's, they're based
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  in Grand Rapids, Michigan, but also Canada, there's Cure United Kingdom, um, you can donate,
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  you can see before and after pictures on the front page of their website.
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  And please check out cure.org, um, brand.
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  So you wrote a couple books, several books.
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  One of them, the previous one was a past book was the men we need.
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  And you've mentioned, I've had guests on talking about toxic masculinity and all that.
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  But so why the need to write to the young men we need are about that.
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  Go ahead.
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  Have you heard of Andrew Tate?
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  This is why I wrote this book, the young men we need.
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  So it's a distilled version of the men we need.
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  So guys, I think it could be as young as a smart 12 or a smart 13 year old could process
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  this.
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  And I, I think it'll hook them, even if they're not big readers, because I, I pinned down
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  something that women are very attracted to and at a deep level.
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  And I start with that because I want to get their attention, but it's true.
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  Um, it, and Andrew Tate is a guy, I don't know, do you know who that is?
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  Yeah, yeah, okay, you do.
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  All right, so he's like the most searched guy on Google a couple of years ago.
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  Like he has 14 billion views on social media for videos.
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  He's like an X MMA guy.
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  He's a smart enough guy, but his lifestyle is ridiculous.
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  And it, it's expression of masculinity.
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  He's like, this is what it's like, we need to be strong.
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  Uh, he's got kids for multiple women all over the place.
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  He's got these cars.
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  He's got, but he offers this distinct in his view, like idea of masculinity.
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  It's terrible, but it is distinct.
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  And I was, I was reading a, a time to London article about this.
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  The other day, they said, you might find his views ridiculous, but you have to admit.
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  No one else is giving people an idea of what masculinity is.
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  And at least he's got a model.
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  Like that's what we're up against.
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  And this, this guy's popular in Christian schools in America, like among guys.
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  Yeah.
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  A lot of it's a lot of it.
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  Honestly, so I, the crying need is to articulate what masculinity really is.
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  To young guys and, and adults, because even in church culture, we're like, well, we know what it is.
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  You need to man up.
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  You need to stand up and be a man.
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  Well, that doesn't, that doesn't tell me anything.
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  Like what is it?
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  Unfortunately, in church culture, too, we'll be like, well, it's, we're going to do men's stuff.
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  So let's have acts throwing night.
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  Let's have, you know, right?
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  And there's nothing wrong with that.
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  Like if nothing wrong with that is nothing wrong with doing, you know, steak night or motorcycle club,
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  or whatever, nothing, but that's not, that that's not the real vision for masculinity.
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  And especially young guys, they might be more artistic or they're more, you know,
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  they're going to be a accountant professors.
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  Like they're not into writing motorcycles.
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  Like what speaks to their heart, too?
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  So that's what I'm doing in this book.
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  I'm saying God actually had an idea for masculinity and it's the job.
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  I believe it's the job he gave Adam, which is to be the keeper of the garden.
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  That's who we're supposed to be.
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  That means the people in our sphere of influence.
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  And this can even start when you're nine years old.
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  Like do you have people in your sphere of influence?
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  You protect them.
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  You make them feel safe because you're around, not unsafe.
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  You use your words to protect them.
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  You don't use your, you don't use your words to make them feel more insecure.
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  Well, as it turns out, that's a great way to be a husband.
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  That's an incredible way to be a friend.
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  It's like this, we're made for this.
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  And in fact, when women see us performing that role,
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  where we make people secure around us because we're there,
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  they actually find that really attractive.
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  And you don't have to be checked.
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  You don't have to be an MMA guy or Navy CEO or you don't have to have a motorcycle and look like a Viking.
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  Like you make people feel secure or even golden.
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  Your wife will be extremely attracted to you.
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  If whatever you're there, she just feels more secure.
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  So that's, that's what this book is about.
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  It's actually trying to construct an actual vision.
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  So what it is instead of deconstructing, it's easy to deconstruct that the real work is to say,
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  here's the, here's the beautiful thing about masculinity.
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  When we do it right, everybody around us is better off.
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  So, you know, that's what that book is about.
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  It tackles some big subjects, but that's, that's the, that's the number.
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  That sounds like it's needed.
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  And we'll talk more about that with Brent Hansen in just a minute.
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  We're talking about young men we need.
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  God's purpose for every guy and how you can live it out.
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  The description says the world needs young men to grow up into real men.
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  But there's a problem.
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  Young men get so many conflicting messages about what it means to be a man.
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  They find it hard to know what masculinity looks like when men are at their absolute best.
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  Brent, I think that's a core part of the problem because it's not modeled for these particularly young Christian boys.
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  Is there dad modeling it?
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  Is it the pastor, men at church?
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  Society sure isn't. Hollywood isn't.
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  In fact, Hollywood makes out men to be bumbling idiots, maybe unnecessary or even fathers to be unneeded.
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  So we're not getting that message elsewhere.
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  So talk a little bit more about the conflicting messages.
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  Well, see, here's the thing.
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  Somebody might even model it in your life.
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  But saying it out loud is so helpful.
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  Like to say, this is what we're looking for.
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  And it's not that complex.
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  I noticed this with my kid when just this was nine.
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  So we have a son and a daughter and she's three years younger.
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  But he was picking on her in the house.
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  And I just heard her going, stop that or whatever.
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  So I went back and I said, justice.
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  I kind of just stumbled on this.
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  But I was like, you know what?
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  You're supposed to protect your little sister.
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  But I'm defending her against you.
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  Like you betrayed your role as a protector.
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  I didn't even think that much about it.
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  But honestly, I don't think we had that problem again.
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  A nine year old can understand that.
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  Like people should be safer vulnerable.
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  People should be safer because you're around your neighbor that should be safer just because you're there.
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  Even if they don't know it, people around you that the innocent,
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  the vulnerable should be safer.
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  That's your job.
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  And even when the culture acts like they don't understand that,
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  when they do see it in action, they stand up in a blog.
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  I mentioned this.
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  I forgot to put it in the book.
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  But there was, I don't know if you saw this like a couple of years ago in Louisiana.
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  There was a high school that was being overrun with fights just every day.
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  Fight, fight dozens of fights.
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  And a bunch of dads decided they're going to volunteer and show up.
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  No more fights.
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  The dads are in all way.
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  And they're laughing and joking with the kids.
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  The whole place is at peace.
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  The kids are studying better.
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  Everybody's getting along.
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  Like, there you go.
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  There's masculinity right there.
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  And so that caught on.
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  It's like a huge viral deal.
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  There was another story about a young boy who defended his sister from a dog.
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  This happened in Wyoming and Montana.
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  His name was Bridger.
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  And it went viral.
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  He got attacked by the dog because he jumped in and her stead to defend.
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  He's like six years old.
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  Wow.
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  And he had to get 88 stitches on his face.
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  Wow.
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  But he said, I thought if I thought if anyone had to die, it should be me and not her.
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  That's what he told us that.
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  How old is that?
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  He was like six or seven.
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  I kid you not.
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  You can look it up.
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  But his dad had already inculcated that.
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  I already told him that's his role.
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  Wow.
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  Is a defender.
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  But when he did that, it went viral and like Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans from Avengers
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  who sent him a Captain America original shield from the movie.
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  They did a zoom with him.
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  Like live.
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  So on one hand, the culture is like, we don't know what it is.
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  But when we see it, it's like.
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  Wow.
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  Yes.
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  And I'm telling you guys.
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  If you are this, if you make your wife, let's say you're let's say you get married.
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  You make your wife feel secure.
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  You're golden.
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  If you make her feel insecure, you could be jacked.
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  You could have the motorcycle.
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  You could be good looking.
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  You could be the athlete.
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  You could be rich.
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  But if you make her feel insecure by.
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  Being all about yourself or your own bodybuilding or flirting with other women.
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  So she'll actually resent all that stuff.
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  Conversely, you don't have to be all that stuff.
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  You could be a normal guy.
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  You might even have a few extra pounds.
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  But if you make your wife feel secure, you don't need a six pack.
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  She doesn't care.
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  Like it's all the matter of being this non needy guy who's focused on.
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  Allowing her to flourish, allowing her to feel safe and the people around you.
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  You're golden.
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  Like so that's it's actually really good news for God.
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  You don't have to be all that stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And it sounds it's interesting.
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  Part of what I'm hearing, maybe not with the little boy that God has faced you about the duck.
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  But part of what I'm hearing is.
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  Being serving other serving your wife.
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  You are the leader of the household, but you can still serve.
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  That seems like that plays into this too.
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  Real men do serve and people will see that, right?
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  Well, that's what we do.
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  If you're a keeper of the garden, like if there's a species that might not be able to survive in the wild.
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  I'll say a plant.
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  Because it'll get choked out.
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  But in a well-tended garden, it gets to flourish and bloom.
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  It's vulnerable, but because you're there, it gets to thrive.
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  I mean, that's gardening.
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  So I want my wife to flourish.
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  I want my kids to like everybody in my sphere of influence.
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  I am coming underneath them.
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  I want them to.
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  To flourish and what they want to do and need to do in the, in the kingdom.
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  So I feel like that's our role.
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  That's where we're at our best.
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  It takes, it takes strength, strength to do it.
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  And again, not being needy.
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  But I'm telling you, there's something so needed about this.
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  That's the, like the end of the news report about these dads in Louisiana was the principal saying,
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  what an answer to prayer that these men showed up.
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  I mean, she was, she was almost in tears and she's like, what an answer to prayer.
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  Like, that's our whole culture right now.
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  We don't have that, but we're not articulating to guys what the role is.
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  I think we do.
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  They get it.
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  Guys get it.
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  Yeah, but you have to take it.
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  You have to say it.
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  Yeah.
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  So, Brent, this book was dedicated to your stepfather.
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  Why did he have such a big impact on your life?
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  Well, I came from a broken home.
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  I gone through a couple of divorces and whatnot and didn't have the best example.
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  And that guy married my mom the day after I graduated high school.
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  And instantly set up out like, how can I teach this guy some skills?
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  How can I be a blessing to him talking about me and my brother?
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  And that's just been wonderful over the course of my adulthood to have a guy like that.
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  I'm not his flesh and blood.
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  But he just dove into it.
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  I think he had compassion on me and on my brother.
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  And he has, he has now been faithful with my mom, faithful with us for decades.
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  And I just respect the heck out of that.
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  You know, he's the man I needed at the time, right?
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  So the book is called The Man We Need.
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  So I thought that makes sense.
• 24:14
  Yeah, that's neat.
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  So what advice would you give to regardless of what age a young man is?
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  Maybe someone older who maybe didn't have that modeled for them.
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  And maybe they're still struggling to figure out what being a biblical man,
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  a real man, what does that look like?
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  What would you say to them if they're struggling?
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  Because they'd have no one in their life to look at unfortunately.
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  Well, I got two things to say.
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  Number one's going to sound self-aggrandizing.
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  I honestly don't mean it this way.
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  I would give you a copy of the book if I could, but read the book.
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  Because I'm literally the question on answering.
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  Here's how to do it.
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  And you can do it.
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  You don't have to, you don't have to fit any stereotype or anything.
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  You can do this.
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  But the other thing I would like to tell you is that you are not doomed to repeat
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  the mistakes of your own bad.
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  You are not huge.
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  That's huge.
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  Or your family of origin may be jacked up and maybe messed up,
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  but that does not mean that your next family has to be that way.
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  So please know that you can have a completely different experience I have.
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  My brother has.
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  And our kids had a completely different experience than what I went through.
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  So there is hope.
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  The other thing I'd mention, if I could mention the third thing,
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  is that I spend the last chapter kind of talking about this is like,
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  take responsibility for your spiritual life.
• 25:37
  And by that, it's not a guilt trip by that.
• 25:39
  I mean, a lot of people associate spirituality with emotion.
• 25:42
  And so a lot of guys feel like I must not be very spiritual.
• 25:45
  I'm not feeling God around.
• 25:46
  I'm not feeling spirituality is not emotion.
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  It's loyalty.
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  You can do that.
• 25:54
  Don't let anyone think you're less of a believer because you don't have these emotions all the time,
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  or you don't cry during worship services.
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  It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
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  That's great.
• 26:04
  If other people feel this and that, but if you don't, that doesn't mean God left you.
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  He is looking to partner with you in life.
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  And so you can pray.
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  When you pray, it's just you and God talking about what you're doing in life together.
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  And you can do that.
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  It's really pretty simple, but he'll change you.
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  And as you pay attention to him, he'll shape you.
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  And you will be a blessing to people.
• 26:24
  Maybe maybe for generations.
• 26:28
  And I'll say that your books and your writing style, very inviting, very easy to follow,
• 26:34
  and keep up with entertaining.
• 26:36
  But the point comes across whenever you're opening up a chapter.
• 26:40
  It's just really good how you draw people in.
• 26:42
  I love the way you write, brand.
• 26:43
  And I want to direct people to the brand and sherry, odd cast, not podcast, odd cast.
• 26:49
  You can go to brandhansom.com.
• 26:51
  You can subscribe on Apple or wherever you listen to podcasts, just like World View Matters.
• 26:55
  But brand, I love your brother.
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  Thank you so much for all you do.
• 26:57
  Lord willing, we can do this again sometime.
• 26:59
  Absolutely.
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  Thanks, Mayor.
• 27:01
  All right.
• 27:02
  Thank you.
• 27:03
  So again, guys, check out that book.
• 27:04
  And if you missed the previous podcast, you can look that up as well.
• 27:07
  brandhansom.com.
• 27:08
  Please don't miss the opportunity to go check out cure.
• 27:12
  C-U-R-E.org.
• 27:13
  Well, you're watching and listening here.
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  As soon as you get done, because you'll forget, we get busy.
• 27:19
  Cure.org and keep up with brand.
• 27:22
  The followership conference, I really love that idea too.
• 27:26
  I hope that catches on more.
• 27:28
  But thank you guys again for your support, your prayers.
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  God bless you.
• 27:31
  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.