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On War · Urantia Radio

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Well, we're together again and thank you so much for tuning
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into the Urantia Radio Podcast. My name is Jim Watkins.
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I've been reading the Urantia book since 1982 when I was 19
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years old. Before that I was a happy go
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lucky Christian and I was off on my new life just getting into my
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career and reading the Urantia book.
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And it took it with me everywhere I went across the
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great country that I live in. And so I like to share and talk
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about this revelation and we will.
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And often times I don't like to talk about current events for
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the simple reason that if I talk about something that's happening
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today, the episode will be around for years.
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And sometimes it won't make sense if you're listening to me
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say 2 years from now and you're hearing me talk about something
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that's come and gone. But I think with the tensions
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that are rising in the Middle East, everybody is rightfully
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nervous, worried about it because it could be biblical.
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It could be of, you know, prophecy.
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A lot of people holds a prophecy and that these may be a
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dispensation of some kind. But there's no doubt that Israel
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and Iran have been at this for a long, long time.
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What makes this different, obviously, is the nuclear
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element, the fact that Iran is enriching uranium, and
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rightfully, because, you know, there's just a little history,
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back when Libya was run by Moammar Gaddafi, he had nuclear
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weapons and he agreed to give them up.
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And then he got killed by Americans to the lesson that the
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Ayatollah Khamenei is, well, we got to have nuclear weapons,
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otherwise America will just take over.
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And so that's led. And also not to mention, I don't
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want to downplay this at all, but Iran has been a sponsor of
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global terror for a long time. They hold to a very extreme
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version of Islam and they are hell bent on destroying Israel
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because they believe it is their divine duty to do so.
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That at least is the culture of the and the mindset of the
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people who run that country. So it's tense right now and
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people are nervous about it because it could disrupt
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everything if the United States gets involved or too involved.
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The repercussions there talk to people a lot who are concerned
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about terrorists that might be sleeper cells.
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So it's it's put a lot of people at ease.
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I myself have I'm I'm not inoculated from this as much as
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I have faith in the most highs. I also see the the perspective
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of war and I want to talk about paper 70 in the Arantia book,
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just the one paper. And even that I'm only going to
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read maybe two or three paragraphs.
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And it takes us through the timeline and helps us understand
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what the mechanism of war is all about and, and how it's been a
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part of civilization for as long as civilization has existed.
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And we're going to do that in just a minute.
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So hang on. And I've also got some good news
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to share with you about other things that I've involved with
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it you might want to check out. And we'll do all that in just a
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second. So hang on, You're listening to
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the Rancho Radio podcast. One of the things that happened
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recently. Welcome back is that I was able
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to spend some time with my now friend and his name is Santiago
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Neeland and he lives in Spain and he does a new podcast and
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he's heavily involved in this podcast.
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It's all about the Urantia book and all about the Divine within.
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That's the name of the podcast. And he caught up with me and we
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did an interview a couple of days ago and he's in post
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production. And so, you know, in a couple of
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weeks, go on YouTube and look up the divine within and it might
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pop up and you'll see my name, Jim Watkins.
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And we had a nice chat about a lot of different things.
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And I, I think you'll enjoy it. For those who may not be
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familiar, I want to give a quick breakdown to how the Urantia
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book is structured and in sort of my own thoughts on why the
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book is structured in the way that it's structured.
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And to me, it, it, it's a timeline.
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If you're moving from left to right, it is a literal timeline
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of creation, moving from the first original, first source and
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center and back to before time as we would reckon it.
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And then you move to the right and now you're moving towards
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the present day. So the first part of the Urantia
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book and it's divided into 4 parts and the first part is all
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about God and paradise and the Trinity and the relationship
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that the Trinity has to reality as we know it, The Trinity being
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God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit.
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And then the second part of the Urantia book, Part 2 really
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delves into the activities of the local area of space that we
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live in, which is under the domain of Jesus Christ.
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And that would be called Nevadon.
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And before Jesus incarnated as a as a son, as the Son of the
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Father, the highest representative of the Father's
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nature that we could possibly experience, he was known as
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Michael on, on Nebadon or Michael.
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And Michael is often, or maybe not, maybe there is an Archangel
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Michael, I don't know. But the Archangel Michael is
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very much a part of Christology. And the reason is that Michael
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is Michael of Nebadon. That is his name.
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He is the highest order of sonship in our universe.
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So when he says he who has seen me has seen the father, he's
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being absolutely literal. So Part 2 of the Urantia book is
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about his creation. So now we're moving outward.
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And then we finally get to Part 3, which is a very exciting part
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of the Urantia book. And it is called The History of
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Urantia. And it goes from the beginning
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of our solar system and the birth of our solar system
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actually, and it moves outward. And it starts with paper 57.
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So now you're already 57 papers into this book.
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And it finally gets to that section where they talk about
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our early years, how life was established.
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And then it gives a chronological summary of how we
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went from marine life to the early land life to the mammalian
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era of our world. And then finally to the
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appearance of the dawn races of early man pre man.
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And then it it it comes to the point in paper 63 where it talks
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about the first human family and what made them truly human.
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The story of Andon and Fonta and and and let it be known that the
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Oranga book asserts that evolution is not accidental or
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causational or repercussional. It is intelligently controlled
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and guided. We are not an experiment.
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We were planned. And it's important to make that
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distinction because while it promotes the idea of evolution,
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it doesn't take away from the creatorship intelligent design
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foundation of which we base our belief in God.
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So God has his divine hand interceding and, and, and I know
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that's hard for people. Oh, well, why would he be doing
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that? Until you understand the true
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nature and the size and scope and the depth of deity, it
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becomes easier to understand when you understand that it's
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not just him. He has all kinds of divine
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attributes. He has seven levels of distinct
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reality that He has the founder of and sponsor of, and we are in
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just one perspective of that. We are.
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We are at the tail end. We're at the very bottom of that
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intelligent design. And the part that makes us
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created in His image is that His actual spirit fragment resides
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in our minds. That is how we are connected to
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Him. This is why we can pray to Him,
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why we can worship, why we commune.
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So for people who say that religion is completely
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evolutionary, they would be wrong.
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There is a divine hand. There isn't divine.
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There is divine and, and guess what?
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You're part of it. Whether you agree with it or
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not, you are a part of that plan.
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And so in the paper of, of, of the history of Urantia, it, it
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takes us through the early stages of the human family.
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Then it addresses the different sort of offspring of the
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evolutionary races of color. There was there were variants
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introduced about 1/2 a million years ago and human beings
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evolved to a slightly higher level.
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Then it talks about the over control of evolution and then at
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that point it it it goes to about 500,000 years ago and what
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has has has happened since. So now we're in paper 67, for
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example, or 66, and we talk about the era right after the
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appearance of the colored races. Then they get into the dawn of
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civilization where these various tribes that started to appear
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and populate the earth, the early period of of how we
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invented things, our cultural traits, why we worship, what did
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we worship? It takes us through a whole
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period so that we better understand our early beginnings,
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much of it lost, by the way, and yet to be discovered by
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archaeology. And then they start to address
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to us about primitive human institutions.
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And for example, when you think about the different
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institutions, the dawn of industry, the specialization,
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specialization of Labor, the beginnings of trade between the
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tribes, the beginnings of capital, where you have people
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who have wealth because they produce.
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And then it talks about fire and fire in relation to
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civilization, which is interesting.
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You should read that sometime. It's Paper 69, section 6.
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Then it talks about the utilization of animals.
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And if you think about these are all just slices.
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These are evolutionary gradations of development
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towards a more progressive society, which is what we have
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today. It also addresses slavery in
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early civilization. And then it talks about private
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property. And that was really the
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beginning of a, of more enduring of a type of civilization.
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But I want to talk to you about Paper 70 as it relates to today
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because in this section we find 2 chapters. 1 is called the
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genesis of war and the social value of war.
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And so I'll read to you and I haven't read this probably in a
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few months. I read it from time to time just
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to get a, a, you know, a brush up.
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And it sets the stage on why, why we maybe it'll answer for
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you and, and me why we're at this stage.
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So let's begin and you can read along if you want to.
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Paper 70, the evolution of a human government.
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We're only going to do 33 papers.
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No sooner had man partially solve the problem of making a
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living than he was confronted with the task of regulating
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human contacts. The development of industry
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demanded law, order and social adjustment.
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Private property necessitated government.
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On an evolutionary world, antagonisms are natural.
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Peace is secured only by some sort of social regulative
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system. Social regulation is inseparable
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from social organization. Associations implies some
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controlling authority and government compels the
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coordination of the antagonisms of the tribes, clans, families
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and individuals. Government is an unconscious
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development. It evolves by trial and error.
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It does not. It does have survival value.
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Therefore, it becomes traditional anarchy, augmented
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misery. Therefore, government,
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comparative law and order slowly emerged or is emerging.
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The coercive demands of the struggle for existence literally
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drove the human race along progressive roads to
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civilization. So because we desire law and
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order or because we like to be safe, we created law and order,
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we created government. We we put power in people's
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hands to regulate so that the the what is it?
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The lesser angels of our nature don't dominate.
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Because if you have a Society of savages and they never civilize,
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then you have no society. It, it, it is a perpetually in
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disarray. And mankind, because of
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intelligence demanded something more.
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That's what that first paragraph is saying, the genesis of war.
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This is section one from the same paper. 70 War is the
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natural state and heritage of evolving man.
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Peace in the Social Yardstick Peace is the social yardstick
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measuring civilizations Advancement Before the Before
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the partial socialization of the advancing races, man was
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exceedingly individualistic, extremely suspicious, and
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unbelievably quarrelsome. Violence is the law of nature,
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hostility the automatic reaction of the children of nature, while
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war is but the same activities carried on collectively.
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And whenever and wherever the fabric of civilization becomes
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stressed by the complications of society's advancement, there is
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always an immediate and ruinous reversion to these early methods
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of violent adjustment, of the irritations of human
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interassociation. War is an animalistic reaction
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to misunderstandings and irritations.
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Peace attends upon the civilized solution of all problems and
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difficulties. The Sangak or colored races,
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together with the later deteriorated Adamites and
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Nodites, were all belligerent. The Andonites.
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These are first Andon and Font of the first human family were
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early taught the Golden Rule, and even today their Eskimo
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descendants live very much by that code.
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Custom is strong among them and they are fairly free free from
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violent antagonisms. Interesting note about the
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Eskimos, or what we call today the Inuit.
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And on taught his children to settle disputes by beating a
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tree with a stick, meanwhile cursing the tree.
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The one whose stick broke first was the the winner, the victor.
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The later Andonites used to settle disputes by holding a
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public show at which the disputants made fun and
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ridiculed each other, while the audience decided the winner by
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its applause. But there could be no such
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phenomena as war until society had evolved sufficiently far to
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actually experience periods of peace and to sanction warlike
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practices. The very concept of war implies
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some degree of organization. With the emergence of social
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groupings, individual irritations began to be
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submerged in the group feelings, and this promoted inter tribal
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tranquility, but at the expense of inter tribal peace.
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Peace was thus first enjoyed by the in Group or tribe who always
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disliked and hated the out group foreigners.
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Early man regarded it as a virtue to shed alien blood, but
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even this did not work at first. When the early chiefs would try
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to iron out misunderstandings, they often found it necessary at
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least once a year to permit the tribe stone fights.
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The clan would divide up into two gangs or groups and engage
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in an all day battle. And this for no other reason
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than just the fun of it. They really enjoyed fighting.
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Human beings really enjoy the fight.
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This is why I say that the sports like football or hockey,
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basketball, they've, they've we in the West to harness our
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energy soccer so that professional sports takes the
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place of war because we like doing this kind of thing.
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Warfare persists because man is human, evolved from an animal,
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and all animals are bellicose. Among the early causes of war
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were hunger, women's scarcity, vanity, slaves.
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Revenge was the motive for war when one tribe believed that a
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neighboring tribe had caused the death of a fellow tribesman.
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That still goes on today. Mourning was continued until the
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head was brought home. The war for vengeance was in
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good standing right on down to comparatively modern times.
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Another reason for war recreation.
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War was looked upon as recreation by the young men of
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these early times. If no good and sufficient
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pretext for war arose when peace became oppressive, neighboring
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tribes were accustomed to go out in semi friendly combat, to
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engage in a foray as a holiday, or to enjoy a sham battle.
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Religion #7 The desire to make converts to the cult.
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The primitive religions all sanctioned war.
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Only in recent times has religion begun to frown upon
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war. The early priesthoods were
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unfortunately usually allied with the military power.
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One of the great peace moves of the ages has been the attempt to
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separate church and state. Always these olden tribes made
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war at the bidding of their gods, at the behest of their
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chiefs or medicine men. The Hebrews believed in such a
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God of battles and the narratives of their raid on the
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Midianites is a typical recital of the atrocities cruelty of the
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ancient tribal wars. This assault, with its slaughter
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of all the males and the later killings of all male children
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and all women were not virgins, would have done honor to the
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morays of a tribal Chieftain of 200,000 years ago.
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And all this was executed in the name of the Lord God of Israel.
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This is a narrative of the evolution of society, the
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natural outworking of the problems of the races, man
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working out his own destiny on earth.
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Such atrocities are not instigated by deity.
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Notwithstanding the tendency of man to place the responsibility
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on his gods, military mercy has been slow in coming to mankind.
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Even when a woman Deborah, ruled the Hebrews, the same wholesale
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cruelty persisted. Her general in his victory over
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the Gentiles. Cause quote all the hosts to
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fall upon the sword, and there was not one left in quote.
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Very early in the history of the race, poisoned weapons were
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used. All sorts of mutilations were
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practiced. Saul did not hesitate to require
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100 Philistine foreskins as the dowry.
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David would should pay for his daughter Michael.
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Early wars were fought between tribes as a whole, but in later
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times when 2 individuals and different tribes had a dispute,
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instead of both tribes fighting, the two disputants engaged in a
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duel. It also became a custom for two
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armies to stake all on the outcome of a contest between a
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representative chosen from each side, as in the instance of
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David and Goliath. The first refinements of war was
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the taking of prisoners. Next women were exempted from
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hostilities and then came the recognition of non combatants.
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Military casts and standing armies soon developed to keep
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pace with the increasing complexity of combat.
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Such warriors were early prohibited from associating with
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women, and women long ago ceased to fight, though they have
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always fed and nursed the soldiers and urged them on to
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battle. The practice of declaring war
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represented great progress. Such declarations of intention
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to fight betoken the arrival of a sense of fairness, and this
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was followed by the gradual development of the rulers of
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civilized warfare. Very early it became the custom
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not to fight near religious sites, and still later not to
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fight on certain holy days. Next came the general
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recognition of the right of asylum.
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Political fugitives received protection.
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Thus did warfare gradually evolve from the primitive
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manhunt to the somewhat more orderly systems of the latter
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day civilized nations. But only slowly does the social
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attitude of amity displace that of anonymity.
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So let us take a moment, take a collective breath, and we'll
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continue on with the next section of this engaging paper
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on the social value of war. All right, so now we want to
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read on to the section of this book where it talks about the
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social value of war. Now, in past ages of fierce war
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would institute social changes and facilitate the adoption of
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new ideas such as would not have occurred naturally in 10,000
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years. The terrible price paid for
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these certain war advantages was that society was temporarily
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thrown back into savagery. Civilized reason had to
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abdicate. War is strong medicine, very
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costly and most dangerous. While often curative of certain
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social disorders, it sometimes kills the patient, destroys the
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society. The constant necessity for
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National Defense creates many new and advanced social
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adjustments. Society today enjoys the benefit
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of a long list of useful innovations which were at first
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holy military, and even is indebted to war for the dance,
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one of the early forms of which was a military drill.
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War has had a social value to past civilizations because it #1
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impose discipline and enforced cooperation #2 put a premium on
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fortitude and courage #3 fostered and solidified
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nationalism, destroyed weak and unfit peoples, dissolve the
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illusion of primitive equality and selective, stratified
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society. And war has had certain
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evolutionary and selective value, but like slavery, it must
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sometime be abandoned as civilization slowly advances.
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Olden wars promoted travel and cultural intercourse.
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These ends are now better served by modern methods of transport
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and communication. Olden wars strengthen the
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nation's, but modern struggles disrupt civilized culture.
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Ancient warfare resulted in the decimation of inferior peoples.
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The net result of modern conflict is the selective
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destruction of the best human stocks.
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And I take that if you think about the number of people that
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died in World War One and World War Two, you begin to realize
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how many human beings were wiped off the face of the earth in
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such a short amount of time. Where?
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And even onward through the 20th century and communism in China,
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hundreds of millions of people, or at least 100 million people,
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have been killed off that that's sobering.
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Early wars promoted organization and efficiency, but these have
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now become the aims of modern industry.
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During past ages, war was a social ferment which pushed
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civilization forward. This result is now better
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attained by ambition and invention.
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Ancient warfare supported the concept of a God of battles, but
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modern man has been told that God is love.
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War has served many valuable purposes in the past.
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It has been an indispensable scaffolding in the building of
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civilization, but it is rapidly becoming culturally bankrupt,
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incapable of producing dividends of social gain in any way
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commensurate with the terrible losses attendant upon its
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invocation. At one time physicians believed
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in bloodletting as a cure for many diseases, but they have
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since discovered better remedies for most of these disorders, and
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so must the international bloodletting of war certainly
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give place to the discovery of better methods for curing the
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ills of nations. The nations of Urantia have
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already entered upon the gigantic struggle between
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nationalistic militarism and industrialism, and in many ways
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this conflict is analogous to the age long struggle between
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the herder hunter and the farmer.
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But if industrialism is to triumph over militarism, it must
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avoid the dangers which beset it.
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The perils of budding industry on Urantia are #1 The strong
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drift towards materialism. Spiritual blindness #2 The
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worship of wealth, power, value distortion 3 The vices of
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luxury. Cultural immaturity #4 The
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increasing dangers of indolence. Service insensitivity #5 The
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growth of undesirable racial softness.
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Biological deterioration, and number six, the threat of
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standardized industrial slavery. Personality stagnation, labor is
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ennobling, but drudgery is be numbing.
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Now I'll I'll just put this out there that those six points very
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much reflect many of the problems and the social ills
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that we have. I interviewed A historian not
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long ago on another program, a gentleman by the name of Anton
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Chaikin. Chaikin, That's right.
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And he has done extensive reporting on the history of war.
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And he claims that today's war are driven by industrialists,
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bankers, people who have a vested interest and they don't
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really give a damn about moral or human rights.
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They're in it for, they're in it to win it.
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And so and they've become more secular in their outlook and
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they tend to think along globalist lines, like we can
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control humanity under our terms.
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And so look at the the perils of budding industry.
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Budding industry is what we have now.
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We have corporatocracies, we have mega companies that that
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have such an influence on our day-to-day life.
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And the perils of these kinds of organizations are in fact, the
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strong drift towards materialism, spiritual
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blindness, the worship of wealth, power and value
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distortion. These billion dollar companies
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America made, produced, I read 100 No 1000 new millionaires in
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the year 2025. All right.
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Not that there's anything wrong with being a millionaire, mind
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you, but the but it tends to, I mean, when you want to talk
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about the worship of wealth, power, and then of course, the
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vices of luxury and cultural immaturity.
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So these are just telltale signs of what's driving war today is
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not the same as what drove it in the past.
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All right, let me continue on. Militarism is autocratic and
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cruel savage. It promotes social organization
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among the conquerors but disintegrates the vanquished.
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Industrialism is more civilized, and it should be carried on so
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as to promote initiative and to encourage individualism.
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Society in every way should should foster originality.
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Do not make the mistake of glorifying war.
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Rather discern it for what it is done for society, so that you
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may the more accurately visualize what its substitutes
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must provide in order to continue the advancement of
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civilization. And if such adequate substitutes
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are not provided, then you may be sure that war will long
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continue. Man will never accept peace as a
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normal mode of living until he has been thoroughly and
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repeatedly convinced that peace is best for his material
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welfare, and until society has wisely provided peaceful
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substitutes for the gratification of that inherent
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tendency. Periodically to let loose a
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collective Dr. designed to liberate those ever accumulating
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emotions and energies belonging to the self preservation
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reactions of the human species. But even in passing, war should
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be honored as the school of experience which compelled a
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race of arrogant individualists to submit themselves to highly
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concentrated authority. A chief executive old fashioned
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war did select the innately great men for leadership, but
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modern war no longer does this. To discover leaders, society
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must now turn to the conquests of peace, industry, science and
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social achievement. That concludes that Section 2 of
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Paper 70 and those two chapters, I think are much needed in
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contemplation these days. There's a lot to be learned for
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the revelators on this one, and I would remind you that the
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author of this particular paper is none other than a Melchizedek
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of Nebadon and Melchizedeks and the family of things should be
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considered older brothers, just like Melchizedek taught Abraham
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monotheism during the times of of his reign.
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And Abraham founded, went on and founded the Hebrew religion in
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which Moses exemplified and carried down to the modern day.
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So the same nature of being that instructed Abraham and spawned
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the many great religious leaders of of the subsequent ages is of
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the same order, the order of Melchizedek, who wrote this
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paper that I just presented to you.
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So our time has come. We'll have more episodes.
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I'll look forward to our next get together.
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In the meantime, be safe and be of good faith and be of good
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