Latest / Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews / Coffee Prince | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 49

Transcript

Coffee Prince | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 49 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

• 0:18
  I'm Jessica and this is Teva K Rambles, where a couple of
• 0:20
  friends review Korean dramas and welcome to another episode.
• 0:24
  Where I have my good friend Carol back with me.
• 0:27
  Carol from K Drama Musings and an admin for K Drama K Dramatics
• 0:32
  Club. I am so thrilled that you're
• 0:34
  back. Carol, how you been?
• 0:37
  I've been good. How have you been?
• 0:39
  I've been well, let's just really quick just say that the
• 0:43
  last time we were together was for love between fairy and
• 0:46
  devil. Which I think everyone and their
• 0:50
  mom listen to that episode. It's very well received.
• 0:53
  People are very excited to hear us talk about love between fairy
• 0:56
  and devil. And now we've got a few C dramas
• 0:59
  in rotation now for Tebak, because it's it.
• 1:02
  I love C dramas. It's not a problem for me to
• 1:04
  cover Z dramas, but I know we are K rambles and we are here to
• 1:09
  talk about a very huge Korean drama today.
• 1:14
  Carol Carol's like already. I'm already losing my mind
• 1:19
  because this is my absolute favorite K drama.
• 1:23
  When I approached you for covering coffee prints, I think
• 1:28
  this was the beginning of the year.
• 1:30
  I want to say it was like six months ago and I was like,
• 1:32
  Carol, do you want to come on and do coffee prints?
• 1:35
  And you freaked out. And you were, like, absolutely
• 1:39
  so fucking lutely. I want to do it.
• 1:42
  And I feel bad that it's taken so long for us to get here.
• 1:45
  It feels like we were. I've given birth to something
• 1:48
  and we're finally going to talk about coffee prints together.
• 1:53
  You know what? I don't mind it at all, because
• 1:55
  it gave me a chance to rewatch it twice in the time that we in
• 2:02
  the time that you asked me and. I got so nerdy, I got to a point
• 2:07
  where I was like trying to figure out their MB TI and it
• 2:11
  was it took me away, It took me away.
• 2:15
  Carol, I think I might have to lean on you a little bit for
• 2:18
  this episode because this is the first time I've rewatched coffee
• 2:21
  prints since originally watching the show, I want to say a decade
• 2:26
  ago. What I watched it like you know
• 2:30
  that meme. 50 time? No. 500 time likely.
• 2:35
  That's me. This is my show.
• 2:38
  Definitely me. Yeah, I knew I was my right
• 2:40
  person. I knew that I had asked the
• 2:42
  right person to join me for this adventure into coffee prints
• 2:47
  when you were like, this is my favorite K drama.
• 2:50
  I can't believe it. Like you were so thrilled.
• 2:53
  And we're finally here. Before we get started, a little
• 2:56
  housekeeping If this is your first time listening, please go
• 2:58
  ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast app.
• 3:01
  We're on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google Podcasts, and many more.
• 3:04
  And if you like us, please give us a 5 star review on Apple
• 3:07
  Podcasts or Spotify. That goes such a long way for
• 3:10
  listeners just like you to discover the podcast.
• 3:13
  And please come say hi. Check us out on social media.
• 3:16
  We put all of our updates on there.
• 3:19
  So I have so many different content things that I have going
• 3:21
  on, but Instagram and TikTok are the biggest ones.
• 3:24
  But you can find us everywhere including Twitter and Facebook
• 3:27
  at Debak Pod. And if you're a fan, please
• 3:30
  consider becoming a Patron. It is such a great way for you
• 3:33
  to get involved, to show your support, to get a bunch of extra
• 3:36
  content for as little as $2.00 a month guys.
• 3:39
  You can check out the page on patreon.com/always Critic Pod
• 3:42
  and shout out to her patrons Curtis Bales, Cindy City, Alana
• 3:46
  Grace, Lorna Lee, and Sammy. I feel like I'm rapping when I
• 3:49
  say your names, but thank you guys so much.
• 3:51
  You guys are wonderful. And I mean this is it.
• 3:55
  We're going to get into it right now.
• 3:56
  Coffee. Prints.
• 3:58
  I will read the My Drama List synopsis.
• 4:00
  It reads Cheyhan Gill is the grandson of Chairwoman.
• 4:04
  Ang of Dong in Foods. He has never had a job and does
• 4:08
  not care for responsibility. Han Kil is hung up on his first
• 4:12
  love, Han Yuju, who only sees him as a friend.
• 4:16
  Konchan is a 24 year old tomboy who is often mistaken for a guy.
• 4:20
  Her father died when she was 16 years old and since then she has
• 4:23
  taken over as the breadwinner of her in her family.
• 4:26
  When Han Kil and Untan meet, he, not knowing that she's a girl,
• 4:30
  decides to hire her to pretend to be his gay lover so that he
• 4:33
  can escape the blind dates arranged by his grandmother.
• 4:37
  After getting an ultimatum from his grandmother, Han Kil takes
• 4:41
  over a rundown old coffee shop, later renamed Coffee Prince, to
• 4:46
  prove that he's capable to both his grandmother and you two.
• 4:50
  In order to attract female customers, he only hires good
• 4:52
  looking male employees. And Untan, desperate for money,
• 4:56
  continues to hide her gender. Gender.
• 4:58
  To get a job at coffee prints. Yeah, so.
• 5:02
  How is this not a good premise? Tell me.
• 5:08
  Oh my God. So I was reading some articles
• 5:10
  from back in the day from when this aired, and it's some
• 5:13
  interviews with the creators, which we'll get into in a
• 5:16
  second. And they they were like some
• 5:19
  people were complaining that this is not a realistic show.
• 5:23
  And I was like, OK, so first of all, second of all and third of
• 5:29
  all, did you not read the synopsis?
• 5:31
  This is not a realistic show by any stress.
• 5:34
  No and and I find it so funny that depending on the show,
• 5:39
  we're always arguing this is not realistic or I want to escape
• 5:45
  like, what do you. Want.
• 5:46
  What do you want? What do you want, babe?
• 5:47
  Because this is not really about not watching coffee prints for
• 5:51
  realism, OK? Exactly, but I will say it's one
• 5:56
  of the realest shows out there to me.
• 6:00
  That's two different definitions of real.
• 6:02
  Two different definitions for real okay.
• 6:05
  So Coffee Prints, I didn't know this.
• 6:06
  Coffee Prints was adapted from the novel Coffee Prints by
• 6:09
  Easton Lee, and it aired originally from July to August
• 6:13
  2007. We're back with another summer
• 6:17
  show in the summer. I know I.
• 6:21
  Know it's 17 episodes long and it was directed by female
• 6:25
  director Ian Zhong. I feel like that's pretty rare
• 6:28
  to have a female director or PD, however you want to call it.
• 6:32
  And she's directed other things like she's in the trap.
• 6:34
  Sorry about it. I'm so sorry that we had to say
• 6:38
  she's in the Trap and bring it back on the show, but she
• 6:40
  directed Cheese in The Trap, The Lies Within in 2019, as well as
• 6:44
  Summer Strike. From 2020 to yes, I loved
• 6:48
  summer. I loved so much, right?
• 6:51
  Yeah, the. Vibe and and she wrote it.
• 6:54
  Oh yeah, that's right. That's right.
• 6:56
  Yeah, so. So that's huge.
• 6:58
  I know For coffee prints, the writers are E Young E Jung Ah,
• 7:03
  and Jung Hyung New. I'm sorry, Jung Hyun Do.
• 7:07
  And this was their first writing credits ever.
• 7:10
  Both of them. yo-yo. Yo, perfect.
• 7:15
  Yeah. And of course, we'll get into
• 7:17
  who stars and coffee prints. Kong Yu stars as Han Kil.
• 7:22
  He was a grand total of 28 years old when he did coffee prints.
• 7:27
  Talk to me about your feelings around Kong Yu.
• 7:35
  Kong Yu I have to comport myself.
• 7:40
  No, I see. It but.
• 7:43
  I love that man so much. I think he is very talented.
• 7:50
  I love what he has done with his career.
• 7:53
  So earlier, you know, I really loved him and his first one, he
• 7:59
  was like a high school kid and then he does.
• 8:02
  Hello Biscuit. No before Biscuit.
• 8:05
  So this is before he got bigger. So I saw him and I saw all of
• 8:10
  that and then I saw Hello, my teacher.
• 8:13
  Or biscuit teacher. And I loved it so much.
• 8:17
  It was problematic because there's a teacher and a student,
• 8:22
  but it was really well acted. He acted the part of a very
• 8:27
  emotional teenager very well to me.
• 8:31
  And then Coffee Prince came along and I was just like, I'm
• 8:37
  short circuiting because what? What the fuck did you watch
• 8:41
  coffee Prints when it aired in 2007?
• 8:44
  Because you were watching. You've been watching K dramas
• 8:45
  for a very long time. Did were you?
• 8:47
  There. Yeah, I was not there.
• 8:50
  I watched it in October 20, 2007.
• 8:55
  Oh, so few months after, yeah. Basically, you were there.
• 8:59
  Basically, it was harder to find currently airing dramas back
• 9:04
  then. That was my soul Jew that.
• 9:08
  It was a website I was using and that's where I watched it and it
• 9:12
  was just perfect. Kung Yu has, I think, become a
• 9:19
  household name. He's a national treasure, and
• 9:22
  this was his this was his breakout role in Coffee Prince.
• 9:26
  This is where everybody was like, Oh my God, they fell head
• 9:29
  over heels for Kung Yu. And he's gone on to do really
• 9:33
  varied, interesting projects in movies and TV.
• 9:37
  And we talked about it a little bit on our Goblin episode,
• 9:41
  because of course we covered Goblin a couple seasons ago.
• 9:44
  And I mean Goblin itself. 2016 was a huge year for him, The
• 9:49
  cameo and Squid game. We got Squid Game 2 coming up
• 9:52
  next year in 2024. He's a Netflix guy now since he
• 9:55
  started in the silent see. And I really like his his
• 9:58
  movies, to be quite honest with you.
• 10:00
  I love the movies that he's done Silenced in 2011, which he sort
• 10:05
  of pioneered and was like a producer on.
• 10:09
  Basically, I'm one of the best movies I've ever seen in my
• 10:12
  life, very moving, very hard to watch.
• 10:17
  So do you have any, like thoughts on him as a persona?
• 10:21
  Because I think we can obviously sort of look to his works and be
• 10:25
  like he's a great actor, really good.
• 10:27
  Performer, but I think a lot of people also sort of feel like
• 10:32
  he's a bit endearing, especially now that he has an Instagram
• 10:35
  account and all. That it took forever, I was.
• 10:40
  Like him and his cats and the pets, because he's a cat man.
• 10:45
  I was like one of the 1st 100 people I remember.
• 10:50
  To follow him on Instagram because I was losing my miles,
• 10:53
  like finally. And then he's just a dork on
• 10:57
  Instagram. A pure nerd, so he.
• 11:01
  Made me He definitely made me reconsider my swiping left on
• 11:06
  apps for guys who have fish in their hands.
• 11:09
  Because to me, I was like, oh, he's hot.
• 11:12
  Like, yes, a fish. But on the dating apps, I'm just
• 11:16
  like, what is fish? Are you expecting me to cook?
• 11:18
  Like, what's what's going on here?
• 11:20
  Swipe left every single time. So now I've worked on my
• 11:24
  prejudice. Yeah.
• 11:27
  But I think, yeah, I think his persona is I love that he's
• 11:34
  mysterious. He keeps me very.
• 11:37
  Interested in what's happening with Gong You.
• 11:41
  He's very private, but he's also very loyal, which I really
• 11:45
  appreciate and really love seeing to be honest.
• 11:49
  Because he's been with his stylist, for example, since 2005
• 11:55
  or 2006, and they've become best friends and you see pictures of
• 12:02
  them on her profile. And like they went on a trip for
• 12:07
  her birthday and they had matching shirts and like a group
• 12:11
  of friends and it's just adorable, adorable and he's
• 12:14
  still working with her. So I I found that very, very
• 12:20
  endearing And his relationship or friendship with Eden walk to
• 12:24
  his absolute it's fantastic, so. I I really like him.
• 12:31
  I also like how he doesn't actually make any political
• 12:37
  statements except through his work, so through Silenced
• 12:41
  through supporting or being a member of 1982 Kim G Young, that
• 12:47
  movie. He did, yeah.
• 12:48
  He was a husband. Of that movie.
• 12:51
  Great, great guy to me all around.
• 12:53
  I agree. I think he's really sort of a
• 12:56
  perfect. Sort of specimen.
• 12:59
  I feel like he's Leo DiCaprio without all of the Ibiza Yaffes,
• 13:04
  with the with the hot models that are 25 or younger.
• 13:09
  He is just without all that. He is the Leo DiCaprio to be of
• 13:14
  Korea, you know? Yes, I agree.
• 13:18
  Yeah, I agree. What a babe.
• 13:19
  Great guy. Great guy. 10 out of 10. 10 out
• 13:24
  of 10 So his Co starring Coffee Prince is Yunnan Hey who plays
• 13:28
  Untun. She was a grand total of 23
• 13:30
  years old when she starred in Coffee Prince and I don't know
• 13:35
  if a lot of people know this about her, but she debuted as a
• 13:38
  member of a girl girl group, Baby Vox or Baby Vox.
• 13:41
  I'm not sure how you say some of these K Pop group names and she
• 13:45
  was with the group until 05 and then she was with a project
• 13:50
  group WSG Wannabe. In 20 up to 2022, so she is an
• 13:56
  idol turned actor. There's a ton of idol do you
• 14:01
  throw rock and you hit an idol in Page drama world okay.
• 14:06
  I think that she is sort of a divisive figure now that I
• 14:11
  didn't notice many years ago when I was watching her works,
• 14:14
  but now she's just sort of relegated to the reality.
• 14:22
  What are they called, like Running Man and those kind of
• 14:26
  shows instead of doing K dramas? She really hasn't done any K
• 14:30
  dramas or TV or sorry, movie works since 2018.
• 14:34
  But Yunnan hey is such a formative figure in the early
• 14:40
  2000s and I I just, I loved her. And she was the my first K drama
• 14:51
  was one of her K dramas. So she holds a very special
• 14:54
  place for me. She was in Lie to Me in 2011,
• 14:58
  which is one of her most terrible shows.
• 15:02
  Like it was not well received. People didn't like that show and
• 15:05
  I watched it. That was my first K drama ever.
• 15:11
  Yeah, So she's holds a very special place in my heart
• 15:15
  because she's my first K drama leading lady that I ever saw.
• 15:18
  And then I went on to watch a bunch of her other works, like
• 15:21
  Princess Hours, aka Kung Yeah, which is 06.
• 15:25
  The year before Coffee Prince, she starred in Princess Hours,
• 15:29
  which by the way is getting a remake that's happening next
• 15:32
  year. I saw that.
• 15:34
  Unbelievable. And then My Fair Lady in 09, I
• 15:38
  missed you from 2012. Which I don't know if you've
• 15:41
  seen that one. She was like, I don't even want
• 15:43
  to go over the plot, but that was a very, I think the term is
• 15:47
  mellow thriller. Yeah, so she was.
• 15:50
  I saw that one. Yeah.
• 15:52
  I think the one I did not like the most was My Fair Lady.
• 15:57
  OK, I never watched that one. I don't know why, but I.
• 16:00
  Stayed clear of it. I loved my favorite from her are
• 16:05
  Princess Hours, which was her first time.
• 16:09
  Coffee prints and lied to me. I actually really.
• 16:14
  Lied to me. Okay, Let's talk.
• 16:17
  Really like a minute on lied to me because lied to me.
• 16:21
  Had every trope, right? It had.
• 16:24
  What was it like? She lied that she was in a
• 16:27
  relationship with this dude, Then he found out about it, got
• 16:31
  upset, then went along with it. I believe there was a cherry
• 16:35
  blossoms scene. There was the wrist grabbing
• 16:39
  Cocacola, the Cocacola Kiss. Are you joking me?
• 16:44
  Are you? That was the best Cocacola.
• 16:47
  Ever I was shook it when I saw this And you know what I came
• 16:52
  from watching. I'm telling you like this summer
• 16:56
  or something after I got out of college and I got my first job
• 16:58
  and I had all of this extra time on my hands that I wasn't
• 17:01
  studying. I wasn't going to class.
• 17:03
  I was just going to work had what do I do with all this time.
• 17:06
  So I watched Lie to me that's I think that summer and I had just
• 17:11
  come off of binging True Blood. OK.
• 17:14
  Like I talked to my friends now and I'm like, yeah, I watched
• 17:19
  True Blood. I I cannot tell you any specific
• 17:23
  thing about True Blood. It was like a fever dream me
• 17:26
  binging True Blood on this off the wall like bootleg site that
• 17:30
  I had like it gave my computer viruses.
• 17:33
  I. Watched True Blood and then I
• 17:35
  got hooked on K dramas. So to me, I was shocked that I
• 17:39
  was so into this whole like wrist grab and like glances and
• 17:45
  like really it was playing up the intimacy and the romance of
• 17:50
  everything, right? And then you hit, then you hit
• 17:53
  the Cocacola kiss scene 10 on it.
• 17:58
  Never got empty. Damn fantastic.
• 18:02
  So so that's just putting it into context for you.
• 18:05
  Lie to me is probably not the best show that I've ever
• 18:09
  watched, but I think it's underrated to a point.
• 18:13
  I think you should watch it if you have.
• 18:16
  It I do think you should watch it now.
• 18:17
  Granted, Kanjiwan is no longer like in the sphere of acting
• 18:24
  because of his scandals and everything, but.
• 18:28
  He's a great actor. Hon Gil Dong.
• 18:30
  He did a show called Hon Gil Do He?
• 18:33
  Did, yeah. Yeah.
• 18:34
  Yeah. Yeah, and he did.
• 18:35
  Capital Scandal. Those are two really, really
• 18:39
  good shows. Yeah, well, Yunnan had her own
• 18:42
  scandals, right? Like she.
• 18:44
  Was embroiled in the scandal with her management and she
• 18:47
  tried to, she notified the contract.
• 18:49
  It was this whole thing. She had haters online when the
• 18:52
  Internet was new and it was very fierce.
• 18:54
  She got death threats and things like that.
• 18:57
  She was fearful of her life and I think then she went on some
• 19:01
  reality show where she designed an outfit.
• 19:05
  And it was. Plagiarized quote, UN quote.
• 19:08
  And that sort of sank her battleship.
• 19:12
  She didn't recover after that, and.
• 19:14
  You can tell by her body of work post like 2015 ish.
• 19:19
  Yeah, yeah, what? Just the types of projects that
• 19:23
  she's getting. It's not.
• 19:25
  Yeah, it's not the same anymore. Yeah, and she got criticized.
• 19:28
  She got ill. And yeah, and then she was ill,
• 19:30
  She was battling alcoholism. She said that she's sober about
• 19:34
  8 years now in a recent interview.
• 19:36
  And I'm just like Home Girl has been through it.
• 19:40
  Luru it so unan. Hey, if you really want to sink
• 19:44
  your teeth into some K dramas from yesteryear, look up unan
• 19:49
  his filmography and get to step in because this is what I that
• 19:55
  this is my introduction to K dramas was her K dramas and I
• 19:58
  feel like she is so great in a lot of things.
• 20:04
  Yeah, yeah, she is. So we'll wrap up the cast really
• 20:07
  fast. We have Ishan Kyun as Hansong,
• 20:11
  if you might know him as just Ajasi because he is the Ajasi
• 20:15
  from my Mr. in 20. 18 the. Voice so butter the voice so let
• 20:21
  me just say it. When I first watched coffee
• 20:23
  prints, I did not understand the appeal.
• 20:26
  Of Easton Kyun. I was like, why is this guy even
• 20:29
  a player? You know what I'm saying?
• 20:31
  Because I didn't get. I did not get it.
• 20:33
  I re watching Coffee Prince. The level of attraction that I
• 20:39
  feel for Easton Kyun, like what? Up through the roof?
• 20:42
  And it might be because I am way closer to his age that he was
• 20:47
  when he filmed the drama, because he was 32 years old when
• 20:51
  he filmed Coffee Prince, right? And that's exactly the same as
• 20:56
  his character's age in the show. And I was like, I don't know,
• 21:00
  maybe it's just because I'm getting older and like the voice
• 21:04
  and the little like mid 2000s get up that they had him in.
• 21:09
  I was like babe. I ate it up.
• 21:13
  I ate it all up. Oh God, so he's in the show.
• 21:18
  He's the second male lead. I might call him cousin like.
• 21:22
  Throughout the show because I feel like Hansong, his
• 21:25
  character's name and the Hanco for Cole's character, really,
• 21:31
  that's been a cut. But I was listening to a
• 21:33
  podcast, I'd be like, are they the same guy?
• 21:35
  I'd get confused. So he's either Odyssey or Cousin
• 21:40
  as we're talking through. But yeah, you might have seen
• 21:42
  him in Parasite. Also in 20/19, he has like 40
• 21:47
  something credits to his name for just movies.
• 21:50
  He's a prolific actor. Amazing.
• 21:53
  My gosh. Yeah.
• 21:54
  You should see his show on Apple TV.
• 21:58
  I think it's Dr. Brain. Dr. Brain.
• 22:01
  Really good. And then on Prime Video.
• 22:07
  Money and power. Something around money and
• 22:09
  power. It was so good.
• 22:11
  Yeah, it was so. Oh, that man.
• 22:13
  Yeah. What a man, What a man.
• 22:15
  I don't know. I don't know him at 32 years old
• 22:18
  and 07 was like doing things to me this time.
• 22:22
  And I was like, maybe I was, didn't watch coffee prints at
• 22:25
  the right time in my life to, like, appreciate this second
• 22:28
  male league because I had a bad, I had second lead syndrome so
• 22:33
  bad. On this rewatch of coffee
• 22:35
  prints, to be quite honest with you.
• 22:39
  I feel you, OK. So TE Jong UN plays Han Yu Ju.
• 22:42
  She's the second female lead. She is also a singer turned
• 22:45
  actress. And then we have a host of
• 22:48
  Princess here that we can go through really fast.
• 22:51
  We have. I don't know if this counts as a
• 22:54
  one of the Princess, but I guess it does.
• 22:56
  Kim Jong 1 plays Geshi. He's like the coowner.
• 23:01
  Yeah, another Audrashi who've you seen everywhere.
• 23:03
  You're like, oh, it's that guy. He's a that guy.
• 23:06
  I feel for most people here in the West.
• 23:08
  We have Kim Dong Wook as Halim. He was recently in My Perfect
• 23:14
  Stranger. Yo.
• 23:16
  And he's doing delightfully deceitful.
• 23:19
  So he has two dramas airing and. He's doing.
• 23:23
  Well glow up. What A glow up, Glow up, glow
• 23:26
  up. I gotta say, the whole cast
• 23:29
  except RIP. But the whole.
• 23:31
  Cast, Yeah, the whole cast blow up.
• 23:35
  Blow up, Major, But let's continue.
• 23:38
  Yes. Then we have King Jewuk.
• 23:41
  Yes, that King Jewuk playing Songki.
• 23:45
  Yeah, I OK, so besides Isung Kyung throwing me for a loop
• 23:52
  this rewatch. I was.
• 23:55
  I was smitten with Kim Jouk in this because for those who don't
• 24:00
  know Kim Jouk, you might have seen him in her private life.
• 24:06
  Yes, he's the main guy in her private life, among other
• 24:10
  things. And him looking really young
• 24:15
  with the long hair. The long hair was it for me like
• 24:19
  I was? With the pony with the.
• 24:21
  Pony. You know what?
• 24:27
  We'll get to why I loved the show so much.
• 24:30
  But let's continue. OK.
• 24:32
  And then we. OK, then we have Eon plays
• 24:37
  Mignon and unfortunately this actor, why haven't we seen him
• 24:41
  anywhere else? Well, he died tragically in a
• 24:45
  motorcycle accident the very next year after coffee prints in
• 24:49
  2008. Right.
• 24:51
  I had no idea until very recently.
• 24:55
  I cried. I cried so much because it
• 24:58
  happened while it happened, while he was filming a drama.
• 25:02
  So he wasn't on his way back from work, I think.
• 25:06
  Something like that. Yeah.
• 25:08
  Yeah. And it was just a rock event.
• 25:10
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:11
  Yeah, Actually, Yeah. And it was in the middle of Gong
• 25:15
  Yu's enlistments because Gong Yu enlisted right after coffee
• 25:19
  prints. And there are pictures of him,
• 25:22
  like being excused from the military to come to the funeral
• 25:25
  and just the, oh, my baby, the devastation from the whole cast.
• 25:33
  I felt that in my spirit. I still feel it.
• 25:35
  I still feel it. And watching their reunion
• 25:38
  episode where they get to talking about him and it starts.
• 25:44
  Ringing. And I'm just like, oh.
• 25:49
  What a what a great guy. It's.
• 25:50
  Emotional and life cut too short for sure and RIP eon.
• 25:56
  Yeah, yeah. At least we have this thing to
• 26:00
  remember him by, the coffee prints where he is sort of like
• 26:03
  a bumbling fool and he becomes like a model or something at the
• 26:08
  end of the show. Yeah, at least it gets like a
• 26:11
  good ending. And then to wrap up, this is not
• 26:13
  a Prince. We have Kim Yung look playing
• 26:16
  Hangill's grandmother. She is everybody's grandmother,
• 26:21
  OK? She is.
• 26:23
  She put a lovely lady. I what a class act.
• 26:26
  I love her. I love following her on TikTok.
• 26:29
  All of her Tik toks are really weird and stupid and funny and I
• 26:35
  just love that she's even on there.
• 26:36
  And I think maybe a lot of people know her as the grandma
• 26:41
  from hometown Cha. Cha cha, Yeah.
• 26:45
  Yes, what a blessing. What a blessing to have her.
• 26:50
  And what a oh the her character and hometown Cha Cha Cha was
• 26:54
  really a gift to me because I'm like 01 day if she's no longer
• 27:00
  here. Just the words and the wisdom
• 27:03
  and all that, she said in Hom Cha ah what a gift.
• 27:09
  Beautiful song. Yeah.
• 27:10
  So workout. We come to the end of it, I
• 27:13
  think. I know how you feel.
• 27:15
  I think everybody knows how we feel about this show.
• 27:17
  But please talk to me about coffee prints, your unspoiled
• 27:22
  thoughts. Unspoiled, OK, I watched this
• 27:27
  like I said in October 2007, I was in a very emotional space of
• 27:33
  I want to find my place in the world, like who am I?
• 27:36
  And and I need people who believe in me.
• 27:39
  And it just it was just perfect. It was the perfect show to
• 27:43
  watch. Because it helped me process my
• 27:46
  emotions. It helped me understand
• 27:49
  friendships. It helped me even process how I
• 27:54
  was interacting with my parents at the time.
• 27:57
  Because I really did feel like both Hangyo and Gunchan, just
• 28:03
  with what was happening in my life at the time.
• 28:07
  And so it was like my outlets, because I was, I felt like.
• 28:13
  As a kid, I didn't have the space to explore my feelings
• 28:19
  with my parents because I'm from Ghana and this was just it.
• 28:23
  Everything I was seeing felt like it.
• 28:25
  So it's a fantastic show on friendship, on found family, on
• 28:31
  family, on purpose, on love. Yeah, you can't go wrong with
• 28:37
  coffee brands. I love that answer.
• 28:40
  I don't think I can give a better answer than that because
• 28:42
  when I watched coffee prints I was just like a punk and had not
• 28:47
  been exposed to a lot of K dramas.
• 28:49
  This was maybe in my first 50K dramas that I watched and I
• 28:55
  thought it was really good and I could totally understand why
• 29:00
  this was making waves and why I was seeing this on top. 100 top
• 29:04
  50, top 20 list that I was going through at the time trying to
• 29:08
  find really good K dramas. You know, I don't know if people
• 29:12
  realize this, but it's really was really hard to find credible
• 29:16
  critique or rankings or ratings on K dramas.
• 29:21
  Back in the day, right? And I started way later than
• 29:24
  you. And I had the Internet at my
• 29:25
  disposal, and I was still like, where do I even start?
• 29:28
  How do I find these K dramas? Where do I watch like, all this
• 29:30
  stuff? Yeah, today you just go on
• 29:32
  TikTok and people someone tells you, like what to watch, how to
• 29:35
  watch it, whatever. Or you just go on Netflix.
• 29:38
  It's so easy. So it's so easy.
• 29:41
  Now, yeah, y'all don't know. You guys legitimately don't
• 29:47
  know. And so when I watch coffee
• 29:49
  Prints, I appreciated it immensely and I thought it was
• 29:52
  really good. I thought some of those scenes
• 29:54
  were like, like K drama crack moments.
• 29:57
  And I've said K drama crack a few times lately in different
• 30:00
  episodes because there are so many K drama crack moments and
• 30:03
  coffee prints, really iconic ones, that I still remember.
• 30:06
  They're ingrained in my memory. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:09
  But I think rewatching today, I'm struck by how.
• 30:14
  Woke it is, I guess. Thank you.
• 30:16
  Yeah, thank you. It's yo.
• 30:21
  This drama was ahead of its time compared to all the dramas
• 30:26
  during that time period. This drama was like, it talked
• 30:31
  about feminism. It talked about, you know,
• 30:36
  purpose and finding yourself and and really putting what you want
• 30:40
  ahead of love and. It's just it's just perfect.
• 30:44
  I don't know anyone who doesn't like it.
• 30:47
  I feel sorry for you, that's all.
• 30:49
  I have this quote here from Rolling Stone, India that says
• 30:52
  Coffee Prince was a cut above the rest and that it was the
• 30:54
  determination of the cast which truly brought each character to
• 30:57
  life. You made her character
• 30:58
  believable both as a boy and a girl in love for the first time.
• 31:02
  Goong's well balanced portrayal of the Moody Han Kyl made him
• 31:06
  lovable throughout the show. His dilemma on his sexuality,
• 31:09
  reactions leading to soul searching and the chemistry
• 31:11
  between him and Yun is seamless. The show raised questions on
• 31:15
  gender identity, social norms and notions around samesex
• 31:18
  relationships, femininity, masculinity, which makes it more
• 31:22
  suitable a show for everyone, even today.
• 31:26
  Exactly. I'm standing ovation.
• 31:28
  Yes, stand ovation for that paragraph from Rolling Stone
• 31:31
  India, because I fully 100% agree.
• 31:35
  That it covered a lot of ground. And I don't necessarily feel
• 31:40
  like there was a ton of plot either.
• 31:44
  We are just sitting with these feelings with these people all.
• 31:47
  We were just going to the coffee shop every day like you know
• 31:50
  what I'm saying? Exactly.
• 31:51
  What was there to it, you know? It felt, you know what it felt
• 31:55
  like? It felt like I was just getting
• 31:58
  a vlog from my friends. Oh, I like that.
• 32:03
  Because it just, it just felt like daily life.
• 32:06
  It just felt even like the struggles they were having, the
• 32:10
  emotional struggles. It just really felt like I was
• 32:14
  watching a vlog with my friends on YouTube, Yeah.
• 32:18
  I appreciated the chemistry between Gongyu and Yunnan hey so
• 32:22
  much. This time around, I know.
• 32:24
  I knew it was good the first time I watched coffee prints.
• 32:26
  But on this watch, I was like, look, if it's some shows
• 32:30
  nowadays currently airing shows, recent shows wish that they
• 32:35
  could have welcome you and Yunnan had back in coffee, you
• 32:40
  know what I'm saying? Absolutely.
• 32:42
  Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
• 32:44
  It's a very natural, sexually tense relationship that they
• 32:49
  had. And a lot of give and take, push
• 32:52
  and pull, feelings, angst, all this stuff.
• 32:58
  And then on top of that, he's grappling with his sexual
• 33:00
  identity. Like, what?
• 33:02
  Is he gay now? What does that mean?
• 33:05
  How is he going to pursue her? I mean, when him, how he
• 33:08
  thought, he thought he was like, exactly.
• 33:11
  It was amazing. Amazing.
• 33:13
  And and I loved that he did not like.
• 33:17
  They did not air on the side of homophobia.
• 33:21
  And the reason I'm saying that is because I've heard the
• 33:25
  criticism that people are like, oh, it was homophobic.
• 33:28
  No, that's not fair. Not exactly.
• 33:30
  If you yeah, if you've been heterosexual all your life and
• 33:35
  then all of a sudden you are. Attracted to someone of the same
• 33:41
  sex, right. I can imagine that you start
• 33:45
  wondering. Yeah, you'll start thinking
• 33:48
  like, yo-yo, yo, what's going on with me?
• 33:50
  And I think he presented that so well in the drama, his struggle
• 33:55
  with it, right. And finally accepting.
• 33:59
  Oh, it's beautiful. It's very.
• 34:02
  I mean, in that sense, it's very realistic because if something
• 34:06
  like that happened to someone even today, I don't feel like it
• 34:09
  would be a an easy ask or an easy decision for someone today
• 34:16
  to go through that. Whether it's you've been gay all
• 34:19
  your life and all of a sudden you're attracted to someone of
• 34:21
  the opposite, Like whatever the case is, you got something, an
• 34:25
  outlier that's pulling at your heartstrings.
• 34:29
  How do you handle that? You know, and it's all about his
• 34:33
  identity and how he thought of how he thought of himself.
• 34:36
  And yes, how is his family going to take it?
• 34:39
  Yes. How is society going to take it?
• 34:40
  Do I overcome this in some? Do I?
• 34:44
  Do I go for it? You know what I'm saying?
• 34:47
  Or do I not? Do I shut it down?
• 34:49
  But how is that going to hurt me?
• 34:50
  It's literally a spiral for the man.
• 34:54
  And I loved how he played it because he it was a battle of
• 34:58
  self loathing. But then he like loves her and
• 35:01
  slash him and what is he going to do?
• 35:04
  Like he can't live without her. So it's it's quite emotional and
• 35:11
  believable for how kung you sort of acted it out.
• 35:15
  And I think with as much respect as 2007 could afford it, even
• 35:18
  more respect than even a struggle like this today I would
• 35:21
  feel. Absolutely.
• 35:24
  I was watching an interview with him maybe 2 weeks ago and the
• 35:28
  interviewer, Jung Doyon, asked him what helped you become the
• 35:33
  actor you are today? And he said Coffee Prince.
• 35:38
  And then she's like, oh, if you were and if you were to love in
• 35:42
  real life, which character would you like to follow?
• 35:46
  And he said Choi and Gill like he had.
• 35:51
  They're just. He loved so passionately.
• 35:53
  Yeah. And even.
• 35:56
  And he had so much courage. And that's what stood out to to
• 36:00
  him. Yeah.
• 36:00
  So it's like, oh, you get it, Boo.
• 36:03
  He. Get it?
• 36:04
  Yeah, he's really great. I loved seeing some of those
• 36:09
  clips of them returning and watching the series all those
• 36:13
  years later. I think the documentary aired a
• 36:15
  couple of years ago or something.
• 36:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:18
  I think maybe on the 10th anniversary, I don't, I can't
• 36:22
  remember exactly, but they brought the whole cast back,
• 36:26
  actually. Maybe it was the 20th
• 36:28
  anniversary. No, no, that's stupid.
• 36:30
  Not the 20th anniversary, because I'm going to be 2027.
• 36:33
  Anyway, they brought everybody back and they had them watch
• 36:37
  certain scenes and they had little interviews with everybody
• 36:41
  and I loved how. There's like a soupy article
• 36:45
  that does a really good job of summarizing all of these little
• 36:47
  clips and the documentary itself and Kong you commented to,
• 36:52
  Yunnan said. I remember everything we did.
• 36:54
  We kissed a lot Since I've aged. I know since I've aged.
• 36:59
  I can talk about it without feeling shy.
• 37:01
  And Yunnan says I'm shy and was. I know she was like really
• 37:06
  bashful about it because honestly, they were all over
• 37:10
  each other in. The show and I would be
• 37:13
  completely mortified to return to it after the fact and watch
• 37:18
  it wait. Wait, I don't think they had a
• 37:21
  lot of kisses, though. No, what I'm saying is well.
• 37:25
  Compared a lot of intimacy. Yes, but and and then also I
• 37:29
  feel like compared to more recent shows even that was a lot
• 37:33
  of kissing because there's some shows that like you don't get
• 37:36
  any kisses like some are strike from the same director.
• 37:40
  Yeah, yeah. No.
• 37:41
  Kissing. Yeah, so that's what I say.
• 37:44
  And then Yunnan. Hey, they were watching their
• 37:47
  own kissing. Yunnan.
• 37:48
  Hey like averted her eyes and said ohh, it's hot in here.
• 37:52
  Go, you go. You said Untan was a very
• 37:55
  motivated girl. She was not passive.
• 37:58
  I didn't know what on his hands were doing, but after watching
• 38:00
  the broadcast, our hands were pulling up my tshirt.
• 38:03
  I guess he never noticed that. She was like.
• 38:06
  Clawing at him, It's great. It's so great.
• 38:08
  She was into it. She was into that's why he said
• 38:13
  she was motivated. I would be like cut, cut please
• 38:19
  cut because I don't want you to see me blushing right now.
• 38:23
  Let me see Isung Yun who is Aji? Said Chaihan Gil is gong.
• 38:29
  You didn't suit him better than any other role.
• 38:32
  However, Kong, you hesitated to join the production.
• 38:35
  Explaining It was a time when I had a bit of opposition against
• 38:38
  romantic comedies after becoming an actor.
• 38:40
  It was the first time I had experienced that puberty I
• 38:43
  wanted to grow while fulfilling my sense of achievement.
• 38:46
  The vibe around me was you have to do this you that's how you
• 38:49
  become a star, get advertisements and get main
• 38:52
  roles. And this is something that's
• 38:56
  even happening today, is that a lot of people are not taking
• 39:00
  melodrama, dramas, thrillers, these genres seriously.
• 39:06
  Stars get made with, like, romantic comments.
• 39:10
  Yeah, romance, right? Like, consider Ryan Gosling or
• 39:16
  Matthew McConaughey over here. It wasn't until they did The
• 39:19
  Notebook. It wasn't until they did you
• 39:21
  know how to this guy in 10 Days that they were really getting
• 39:25
  play. And they were hesitant to keep
• 39:28
  doing that because they were afraid of getting typecast, even
• 39:32
  though the money was good doing these romances right.
• 39:37
  So I feel like Kong use got a had a valid hesitancy, right?
• 39:43
  He did, he did. But at the same time, we hadn't
• 39:49
  gotten like a proper romance from him.
• 39:54
  Oh yeah, no. Cuz when you say biscuit,
• 39:57
  teacher? That's a very strange show.
• 40:01
  Because I remember watching it and I was like, I feel weird.
• 40:06
  It is a very strange show. And then he did one fine day,
• 40:11
  which was OK. It didn't have the same hype as
• 40:15
  coffee prints, but really, coffee prints really felt like
• 40:20
  the start of Gong Yu. It's.
• 40:22
  His notebook. It's his notebook, exactly.
• 40:26
  I haven't seen the notebook, but it's his notebook.
• 40:30
  I haven't seen the notebook. Not that I am a advocate for The
• 40:35
  Notebook, but I feel like everyone should see The Notebook
• 40:39
  at least once. OK, I don't care who you are,
• 40:41
  just watch The Notebook at least once you can get it and then
• 40:43
  move, move on with your life. So watch The Notebook Carol.
• 40:48
  Stay tuned for The Notebook Movie Corner on the Patreon
• 40:51
  Feed, because I don't know why, but I want to be there for when
• 40:56
  you when you give me your thoughts on the Notebook.
• 40:58
  Otherwise it'll just be in our TM's.
• 41:03
  So regarding the situation, PD Ian Jung explains some actors
• 41:07
  may feel apprehensive about idol turned actors, referring to
• 41:11
  Uninha. However, Kung you said I am the
• 41:14
  problem for myself. He said he wasn't in the
• 41:16
  position to discuss his costars acting and that made me think
• 41:20
  this person is cool. Because Golia didn't have an ego
• 41:24
  about working with Yunnan, who had just received a ton of Flack
• 41:29
  for her acting in Princess hours.
• 41:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we see behind the scenes
• 41:36
  videos of Yunnan, hey working so hard.
• 41:40
  Oh my gosh, she worked so hard because of that Flack she was
• 41:45
  getting. And I was watching the wrap up
• 41:48
  party videos where she goes outside and she's just crying
• 41:52
  her eyes out and people are coming to her like you did such
• 41:57
  a good job. He did.
• 41:58
  Like we're so proud of you. It was it was a beautiful
• 42:02
  moment. Yeah, and Kong, you praised her.
• 42:04
  Even to this day, he maintains. The reason I was able to become
• 42:07
  Chaihan Kill was go on, Chan and Union.
• 42:10
  Hey, that's her character's name and then her real name Union.
• 42:13
  His passion made me feel embarrassed and helped me to
• 42:15
  grow. It made me wake up.
• 42:18
  Yes, which is so interesting because that's what I feel like.
• 42:23
  That's what her like, to see her work so hard as an idol actor
• 42:31
  because of that Flack. And then to see her character
• 42:35
  also work so hard. I could tell the moment he fell
• 42:40
  in love with her in the show and it was so early on.
• 42:46
  It was like, well, can I say. It or the show is really old,
• 42:53
  2007. It is old spoiler alert, but he
• 42:58
  fell in love with her when he went to her house and he sees
• 43:03
  her schedule and he's like, Oh yes, so she does this and this
• 43:08
  and this and karate and and walnuts and and milk and he's
• 43:12
  just like, wow, this person is. Living so passionately.
• 43:16
  And that's when he starts falling for her.
• 43:20
  Yeah, he starts appreciating her.
• 43:22
  Yeah, he understands her a bit more after that.
• 43:25
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 43:27
  It's nice. He doesn't have the full
• 43:28
  picture. No.
• 43:29
  But he understands her. Yeah.
• 43:30
  But seeing how her day is mapped out to the minute is really kind
• 43:35
  of blew him. Yunnan Hey expressed her
• 43:38
  admiration for the drama, saying after appearing on coffee
• 43:40
  prints, I no longer heard the term idol turned actress.
• 43:43
  It's the project that made me into an actress.
• 43:45
  That's so. Beautiful I.
• 43:49
  Forget getting really emotional about it because I mean, knowing
• 43:53
  how her career turned out and how she struggled throughout her
• 43:57
  life and the different scandals and stuff, I feel like coffee
• 44:00
  prints has to be super special to her to have that.
• 44:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:07
  Last thing I'll say about is about Kongyu his.
• 44:10
  There's a quote from him. Coffee Prints is the project
• 44:13
  that revived my dying passion. I think I was healed through the
• 44:16
  drama. We became brighter and hotter
• 44:18
  together. That's why I think it's that
• 44:20
  much harder to forget everyone. And that's what makes this
• 44:22
  project that much more meaningful.
• 44:27
  I'm sorry. Yeah.
• 44:28
  So if you haven't watch Coffee Prints and you're listening to
• 44:30
  this, please just watch Coffee Prints, OK?
• 44:35
  It's great. It's one that's great.
• 44:38
  I loved it. I mean, I don't know if I said
• 44:40
  my thoughts, but yeah, I loved it.
• 44:42
  I think I have some qualms that we could talk about in this in
• 44:44
  the spoiler section, certainly, But it is a top tier drama, one
• 44:49
  of the best out there. It's why I watch K drama, you
• 44:53
  know what I'm saying? It's for these kinds of dramas.
• 44:57
  Yeah, I agree. Same my number one drama.
• 45:01
  It's not my number one, but it's up there.
• 45:04
  So fun facts really quick. Yunnan hey won Best Actress at
• 45:07
  the 44th Becksong Awards and so did Yun Jung, the director.
• 45:12
  She won Best New Director at the 44th Becksong Awards.
• 45:15
  This has spawned remakes. Of course.
• 45:18
  You've got remakes coming out of coffee prints coming out of
• 45:21
  Thailand, the Philippines, Malay, Malaysia and China as
• 45:25
  well. And then a couple of fun facts
• 45:28
  about the locations, because I feel like these are iconic
• 45:31
  locations. The coffee prints.
• 45:34
  Like Store Coffee Shop was an old coffee shop in Hyundai which
• 45:39
  was remodeled for the filming. The eponymous cafe was reopened
• 45:42
  after filming concluded. Sorry, reopened after filming
• 45:47
  concluded with The Wallflowers painting by Hanyuju and other
• 45:50
  props from the drama on display. I do not know if it is still
• 45:54
  there. It's still there.
• 45:56
  I visited it in 2015. Oh my God.
• 46:01
  Tell me. About the coffee drinks.
• 46:03
  Oh my God. How I did my whole pilgrimage.
• 46:08
  To. To the coffee shop it was not
• 46:12
  good. Shut up.
• 46:13
  It was not good by that time yo by that time the the leer like
• 46:20
  the allure of it. Yes.
• 46:23
  It was gone and it wasn't well maintained.
• 46:28
  I am curious to see if they've brought it back up because you
• 46:32
  know, people are still watching the show, right, And want to
• 46:36
  visit, but holy yeah, at the time it wasn't that so.
• 46:39
  Eight years after the show, it was.
• 46:43
  No good. It wasn't good.
• 46:45
  It wasn't good. My gosh.
• 46:48
  I broke my heart, Oh my, but I was still so happy.
• 46:52
  OK, so wow, so the soul animation center at the foot of
• 46:57
  Namzan in Ye Jung Dong jungle. That is the rooftop that was
• 47:01
  used as the exterior terrace for a hung Gill's house.
• 47:04
  And you can see this rooftop garden thoroughly from the scene
• 47:08
  in episode 17. But I mean, there's so many
• 47:12
  scenes that are outside of his house, which is a beautiful
• 47:16
  terrace. Yo, let's talk about it.
• 47:19
  Because that was, what, 2007? That was going to be my first
• 47:24
  apt. I was just like, if I ever build
• 47:27
  something, it's going to be Chaihan Gill's APT.
• 47:31
  I sent you a floor plan of it that I drew.
• 47:34
  Like no one could tell me nothing.
• 47:37
  That was that was a beautiful apartment.
• 47:40
  What a great location. I was like, this is luxury.
• 47:44
  OK? It is beautiful.
• 47:46
  So. Those are some fun facts about
• 47:49
  coffee prints. Would you care to rank the, I'm
• 47:52
  sorry, rate the drama out of five Sojo bottles?
• 47:58
  Give me a face right now. You're like, please.
• 48:03
  I'd rate it A5 Sojo bottles and I'll explain why as we go into.
• 48:07
  The no problem. Spoilers and whatnot.
• 48:09
  I think I'll give it a four, maybe 4 1/2.
• 48:13
  That's so much of. Bottles.
• 48:14
  Yeah. No, you'll find out why.
• 48:16
  You'll find out why. I don't want to ruin it because
• 48:18
  I still really believe in the show.
• 48:20
  You feel me? But yeah.
• 48:22
  So we're going to talk spoilers for coffee prints right after
• 48:26
  this. You want to come in?
• 48:34
  All right, we're back in the spoiler section.
• 48:37
  We're going to talk spoilers for coffee prints.
• 48:40
  Carol, where would you? Like to start because I don't
• 48:45
  have very good notes for the drama.
• 48:49
  I gotta be honest, I was just watching to watch basically.
• 48:53
  But if you want to, I told you I was gonna lean on you.
• 48:56
  Did you wanna talk about anything specific right now?
• 49:00
  Let's talk about the easy ones like the low hanging fruits that
• 49:06
  didn't have that much context I'd love to 1st talk about.
• 49:12
  The relationship between Handgill and Hansen Ajashi, his
• 49:17
  cousin. OK.
• 49:17
  OK. OK.
• 49:19
  Do you want to do that first or are you just listing off some
• 49:22
  topics that you want to? Cover.
• 49:24
  I'll do it. Let's do that first.
• 49:25
  OK, so him and his get so Konyu's character and his cousin
• 49:33
  are in love with the same woman for the better part of a decade.
• 49:38
  And the cousin was dating her for like 9 years before she
• 49:42
  cheated on him and moved abroad. And the the whole show starts
• 49:47
  with her coming back to Korea and he, the cousin is really
• 49:52
  messed up about it. And then Kung Yu's just like
• 49:56
  hovering for a decade and I don't know how to fit.
• 50:02
  This is icky. Okay.
• 50:05
  It is icky. It was so annoying for that.
• 50:08
  It was so annoying for that. Super annoying and we're coming
• 50:13
  from at it. From not a Korean perspective, I
• 50:17
  felt that Kung Yu's character was extremely inappropriate with
• 50:21
  her. You know what?
• 50:24
  I actually don't think so from a K drama perspective.
• 50:28
  Really. Because even thinking of like,
• 50:31
  the conservative nature of Korea, I was like, they are all
• 50:34
  over each other. It's bizarre.
• 50:38
  I'm only saying this because when you're looking at the
• 50:41
  dramas of that time, it was very much we can be brothers, we can
• 50:47
  love the same girl. Whoever wins, wins.
• 50:50
  It was very much like that. I just.
• 50:52
  Don't agree with that. I think it's weird.
• 50:58
  I think it's weird for sure. But it was a thing.
• 51:02
  And shows when you look at my lovely Kim Sam.
• 51:04
  Soon when you look at lovers in Paris, you had an uncle and a
• 51:12
  nephew who loved the same girl. When you look at Kane and Abel.
• 51:18
  So she stopped. It stop it.
• 51:22
  I'm No one has ever brought up Cain and Abel to me.
• 51:27
  I fucking love that drama. Girl, it's me.
• 51:30
  I'm gonna ring it up. Oh.
• 51:32
  My God, I have had so many people on this show.
• 51:35
  I can. Oh my God, no one has ever.
• 51:38
  You've watched Cain and Abel. We are.
• 51:40
  I've watched Cain and Abel. We are one of the only people, I
• 51:44
  feel like, who have watched that.
• 51:45
  It's so good, It's so good. It is so good.
• 51:51
  Oh my God, yeah, yeah, yeah. But OK, So to your point, yes,
• 51:55
  they love the same woman, but it wasn't as, I don't know, but it
• 52:00
  wasn't like this younger dude who was.
• 52:05
  Hanging around. This nuna and she was, she was
• 52:09
  very flirtatious back to him. Maybe it was because there was
• 52:14
  like that still tension between them.
• 52:17
  If she entertained his his like fences.
• 52:21
  Yes, she entertained it, but I think that's just who she was.
• 52:26
  Well, we have to talk about her. Who?
• 52:29
  Exactly. I got issues with her okay.
• 52:33
  I got major issues until until she has our conversation with
• 52:38
  with cousin I had major. Issues with her so but look so
• 52:42
  going back to the cousins so it happens twice to them.
• 52:47
  Because Han Kyle is in love with you Ju second female lead and
• 52:52
  then Han Song the cousin falls in love with Unchan.
• 52:57
  So it's like a love square and the cousins love the same women.
• 53:05
  Yeah, they just have a type. What can we say?
• 53:07
  No. They're like wildly different
• 53:10
  women and. I don't know what to say like
• 53:15
  this, I don't think. Would this fly today?
• 53:19
  I don't think it would fly today.
• 53:21
  I think that what you said about them being different women,
• 53:26
  Hanyu Chu was sort of like the ideal type of woman and artist,
• 53:32
  soft spoken, gentle a bit. Off standoffish but also warm.
• 53:40
  Like she kept you in. She had that exactly.
• 53:44
  Well, Yunnan hey was just loud and vibrant and yeah, open book
• 53:51
  and and something that made someone who made them really
• 53:57
  think about their lives and what they're doing and.
• 54:01
  Then I have a followup question. Yeah, go ahead.
• 54:04
  Do you feel like these ladies were relegated to being the
• 54:08
  Manic Pixie Dream Girl because? I don't.
• 54:15
  I mean keep going get like I'll just leave the question out
• 54:18
  there so you can ponder it, but. I don't think so, because Yuna
• 54:28
  Nahey had her own life, right? And her own.
• 54:34
  And she was very adamant and persistent in her arc that she
• 54:40
  was so adamant that she ends up getting his support.
• 54:44
  So yes, yes, she was there to help him grow, but at the same
• 54:51
  time, I feel like he was there to.
• 54:55
  Once she realized her dreams and goals and whatnot, he was there
• 55:00
  to support her too, and. Yeah.
• 55:03
  And that was, to me, balance, because you can't just always be
• 55:09
  the one taking. Yes, yes.
• 55:13
  They bring up that imbalance way later in the show because it
• 55:16
  seems like we get a lot of their relationship.
• 55:20
  Like they get together pretty early in the show, which I feel
• 55:22
  like a lot of people might bulk at that.
• 55:25
  They might be like, why did they get together so early in the
• 55:27
  show? We, it feels like maybe there's
• 55:30
  way less tension. And stakes throughout the last
• 55:35
  few. Episodes.
• 55:36
  What do you mean they got together early?
• 55:39
  Yeah, Han Kyl and UN Chan got They work together for a few
• 55:42
  episodes at the end versus they get together at the end of the
• 55:44
  show. Does that make sense?
• 55:46
  Oh, OK, they did get together. Yes.
• 55:49
  And episode. I'd say officially 12.
• 55:52
  Right, Yeah. So then we have a bunch of
• 55:56
  episodes left. Like there's 17 episodes, so.
• 55:59
  They're together for a while and we get to see them grow
• 56:02
  together. We get to see them, their
• 56:05
  relationship, right? And I don't, I don't necessarily
• 56:10
  like even though I brought it up like Mannepixie Dream Girl.
• 56:13
  I think thinking it through, you're absolutely right that
• 56:16
  they have sort of a balanced scenario here where he ends up
• 56:21
  supporting her dreams and he lets go of his right or he finds
• 56:26
  a new dream, so to speak. But I think with her
• 56:30
  relationship with Aja, she is a bit of a manic Pixie dream girl.
• 56:35
  She sort of, she sort of flips out of his life in and out.
• 56:38
  She delivers milk, she plays with his dog, They have these
• 56:40
  like park dates and he's like sort of enamored with her and
• 56:45
  her outlook of life and her zest and her zeal and her youth.
• 56:49
  And for for him, it is a bit of a Manic Pixie Dream Girl
• 56:54
  scenario with, but not by Han Gill's.
• 56:59
  Character or Kong use. Character.
• 57:02
  We have strayed a little from the cousins.
• 57:05
  No, but the Cousins, What did you specifically want to talk
• 57:09
  about with the Cousins? I absolutely loved how they
• 57:15
  spoke to each other. Oh, really?
• 57:17
  OK. There was, yes, because there
• 57:21
  there was a scene where. He's talking about his
• 57:26
  frustrations with Han Yu Chu, the cousin.
• 57:30
  Talking about his frustration with Han Yu Chu and Chohan Gil
• 57:33
  is like, that's because you want to catch her.
• 57:36
  You want to. Love her scene.
• 57:38
  OK, that's early. That's pretty early.
• 57:41
  Early. And that's when it that's when
• 57:46
  the show became a different show for me, because I'd never seen
• 57:50
  that before having that. Call in of saying you're being
• 57:55
  an asshole, this is what you're doing, This is she is a person
• 57:59
  of her own. And I was like, damn, OK.
• 58:03
  That was in episode 4, and what the cousin says is that he can't
• 58:08
  get used to her again. Yes.
• 58:12
  And Kongyu says that's because you're trying to tame her.
• 58:15
  Her. Wildness.
• 58:16
  Is her appeal. Exactly.
• 58:20
  And then he reads like a quick headline.
• 58:22
  The the cousin reads a headline in an art magazine that says she
• 58:25
  doesn't want to get married, which compounds the issue
• 58:30
  because he does want to get married.
• 58:34
  Tough. Tough to to like for that guy
• 58:37
  for their relationship, the second relationship with him in
• 58:40
  the second female lead. It's very interesting to see how
• 58:47
  Kongyu understands. Her better than he does.
• 58:52
  Yeah, yeah. And Kongyu is like, don't try to
• 58:56
  change her. That's because.
• 58:59
  He's feeling the same things, right?
• 59:03
  He's feeling the same things where he feels like everyone is
• 59:06
  trying to change him into something he doesn't want to be.
• 59:11
  Yeah, and maybe it's how do I put this.
• 59:18
  I feel like this is too smart of a thing for men to actually
• 59:22
  realize and say out loud. Yo, don't try to change her.
• 59:29
  Her wildness is her appeal. Yes, she's sort of like a cat.
• 59:33
  She comes and goes when she wants.
• 59:34
  She has these flirtations. She has these, like, trysts now
• 59:39
  and then. That's part of her.
• 59:41
  That's why you like her, is that she's sort of unpredictable.
• 59:45
  Yeah. Yeah, that's why I'm like the
• 59:48
  show was ahead of. It and I'm like, look, I there's
• 59:52
  no way that a man would say. That in real, no shade.
• 59:57
  But no shade to men. But I have never heard such a
• 1:00:02
  profound thing. Yeah, and Kong, you supposed to
• 1:00:06
  be 29 years old, right? Exactly with the show.
• 1:00:13
  No way in hell is a 29 year old coming through with that, like
• 1:00:16
  nugget for his 32 year old cousin to to get over his
• 1:00:23
  complex with his longstanding girlfriend who he wants to
• 1:00:28
  marry. And it's like, well, why do you
• 1:00:31
  even. Yeah, what do you think about
• 1:00:33
  that? I just threw like a little
• 1:00:35
  zinger in there because it's very much, it's very much giving
• 1:00:40
  throughout the show. It's very much giving.
• 1:00:42
  Man written by a woman. Yes, that's what I was just
• 1:00:45
  about to say. That's why the show is written
• 1:00:48
  by a woman, because they also have an opportunity for Hansung
• 1:00:53
  the cousin, to say something a nugget like that to Hanggill
• 1:00:57
  when Hanggill is like. What's wrong with paying my
• 1:01:01
  girls debt? Like, why is she mad at me?
• 1:01:03
  This is later in the show. He serves it back to Gongyu's
• 1:01:07
  character. That's right.
• 1:01:09
  And you see, and you see Gongyu's character be like, oh
• 1:01:13
  Oh my gosh, I've been so dumb. Of course you're right.
• 1:01:17
  And that's what I really appreciated about their
• 1:01:20
  friendship is they could challenge each other and the way
• 1:01:24
  they think. Without the other person bulking
• 1:01:29
  and saying, oh, I'm going to do it my way, F you and and all of
• 1:01:32
  that, so you could see that they respected each other and they
• 1:01:36
  listened to each other and yeah, so I love their friendship.
• 1:01:40
  I think what you're referring to is episode 16, and the cousin
• 1:01:46
  says the moment a man makes a woman his, the man wants that
• 1:01:49
  woman to live according to his wishes.
• 1:01:53
  Which just because he's won her over, can he force her to do as
• 1:01:56
  he wants. Exactly.
• 1:01:59
  Only could be written by a woman.
• 1:02:01
  There is no way in hell, but this was written by a man
• 1:02:05
  thinking that a man would say this out loud.
• 1:02:09
  It's a bit preachy. It's everything a woman would
• 1:02:12
  want to hear. And us two women sitting here
• 1:02:15
  talking about it, 110%, we're eating it up.
• 1:02:18
  You could see it's eating it up right now.
• 1:02:20
  So I mean, my criticism is, I guess, is it forced upon the
• 1:02:26
  characters to say this or do you do you feel like it rings hollow
• 1:02:30
  because it's sort of detached and unrealistic for a man to
• 1:02:33
  muse about a woman's role in society?
• 1:02:36
  Or do you feel like it works? I think it works, and I think it
• 1:02:41
  works because Hanson's character is came off cousin.
• 1:02:48
  Came off as such a wise a wiser person who is in tune with
• 1:02:54
  people's emotions, not always his own.
• 1:02:58
  So he definitely had anger issues.
• 1:03:02
  Very, very typical. He had anger issues.
• 1:03:08
  He had a lot of ego and pride. They both did, but to see them?
• 1:03:15
  Grow past it and let go of their ego and be like yo, I just, I
• 1:03:23
  just need you. I just want you because at the
• 1:03:26
  end of the day you find that both of them are very private
• 1:03:32
  about their relationships. It's just me and her, you hear
• 1:03:36
  him many times saying. Oh, this is just what happens
• 1:03:40
  between honey or Jew and me. It's like we've been going at
• 1:03:43
  this for 10 years. We'll be all right, you know?
• 1:03:47
  So yeah, we'll work it out. But that doesn't mean that they
• 1:03:52
  will make stupid decisions. They won't make stupid
• 1:03:57
  decisions. Sorry.
• 1:03:58
  And they won't say bad things, but they have each other to draw
• 1:04:03
  them in. I'm a little.
• 1:04:08
  With Hengiel's character, I'm like, you're too wise because
• 1:04:15
  you don't have any friends you don't have.
• 1:04:18
  So Henkiel is like a shut in. Yeah, like your job is just you.
• 1:04:24
  Let's just talk about Henkiel first.
• 1:04:26
  That's Gonggiu's character, right?
• 1:04:30
  I don't. Believe this man exists, right?
• 1:04:33
  Obviously, like, man written by women and all that.
• 1:04:35
  But the way that they created this character, we first see him
• 1:04:39
  on the plane back to soul and he's flirting aggressively with
• 1:04:43
  his seat partner, playing cards with her, and he's like,
• 1:04:47
  smiling. He's chumming it up with her.
• 1:04:50
  And then when she's like, let me get your number, she wants to
• 1:04:52
  contact him and stay in touch. After he's like, why would we do
• 1:04:54
  that? And, like, shut her down, Then
• 1:04:57
  I'm like, Oh my God, bitches, so.
• 1:05:01
  And then he's sort of mean in the first few episodes.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, right. And then you come to find out
• 1:05:07
  that he's actually a little teddy bear inside and he's
• 1:05:10
  really sweet and sort of like a golden retriever boyfriend,
• 1:05:14
  which is all fine and good. Then you find out what he did in
• 1:05:16
  New York for the past few years. I thought, oh, he's just romping
• 1:05:19
  around in New York like eating Shay and doing whatever he wants
• 1:05:24
  on his titles. Like dime, right?
• 1:05:27
  Because he's rich. His family's rich.
• 1:05:30
  No, no, no, no. He was working freelance for a
• 1:05:34
  toy company for a few years, trying to get enough like clout
• 1:05:42
  to actually get a job as a toy designer, working on like Legos,
• 1:05:48
  it looked like. But they didn't say they were
• 1:05:50
  Legos. They were some other company.
• 1:05:51
  Whatever. Does Lego know that they did
• 1:05:54
  that? And I was like, OK, and then
• 1:05:57
  when she goes into the room finally, that's in his.
• 1:06:00
  Penthouse apartment that he doesn't let her go in initially.
• 1:06:04
  They go in and I'm like, what the actual fuck it is.
• 1:06:08
  A room full of Legos and a giant.
• 1:06:13
  What's it called? Like a play space that's like
• 1:06:16
  immaculately detailed. It looks like a medieval like,
• 1:06:22
  yeah, space. It's one of those things that
• 1:06:23
  people pay thousands and thousands of dollars to create a
• 1:06:26
  custom Dungeons and Dragons like.
• 1:06:30
  Thing. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:31
  Yeah. And I was like, this is really,
• 1:06:35
  I did not expect that they would take it in this direction.
• 1:06:39
  And for some reason, I completely blanked blocked it
• 1:06:42
  from my memory on the rewatch. So when the rewatch hit and I
• 1:06:47
  was, I was watching this scene, I was like, you're joking,
• 1:06:50
  you're joking. This man is sitting in here
• 1:06:53
  playing with toys by himself. Because.
• 1:06:57
  Because he is an only child. So that's the first.
• 1:07:00
  Thing No. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  And he had issues with his parents, so with his dad to be
• 1:07:09
  specific. So he's trying to make sense of
• 1:07:14
  his world. I don't think it was strange
• 1:07:18
  that he was playing Lego only because.
• 1:07:21
  I felt like he had this facade for his family, whether it was
• 1:07:26
  his grandma or his mom. He always had this playful,
• 1:07:31
  outgoing facade and when he was by himself, he was more
• 1:07:37
  reclusive. It was really Gon Chan's
• 1:07:40
  character who made him talk more and and pushed his emotional
• 1:07:46
  boundaries, but otherwise. When he's not around people,
• 1:07:50
  he's just by himself and I think I get.
• 1:07:55
  The recluse I get, I get that he doesn't have any friends.
• 1:07:58
  I get that he has this issue with his dad.
• 1:08:02
  I understand he's got daddy issues.
• 1:08:04
  I understand he's not really close with his dad and that he
• 1:08:08
  wanted to get away and do his own thing and find his own dream
• 1:08:11
  and making toys was something he could do in his own.
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, and. That's what he says later on in
• 1:08:17
  the show. I get all that.
• 1:08:19
  It's literally the shock of she's like, what's in the room
• 1:08:23
  and they go in and it is this entire play space that is not
• 1:08:31
  even I I was questioning the level of the play space because
• 1:08:36
  I was like, OK, why is this entire game board that's the
• 1:08:40
  size of the room on the floor. Why can't you put it on like a
• 1:08:43
  custom table that's closer to, like, chair height?
• 1:08:48
  That he can play and like, not be huddled over on the floor
• 1:08:51
  with like some pillows and stuff for comfort.
• 1:08:54
  I was like, I was like, look, I'm all for creating a space
• 1:08:59
  that's your own and having this hobby, having this passion,
• 1:09:03
  whatever. I was like, he's rich, let's
• 1:09:06
  take it up a notch. Like, let's like level up.
• 1:09:10
  But it wasn't about the setup. It was more so about he's still
• 1:09:14
  a child. I know, I, you know, I agree
• 1:09:18
  with you and I understand what you're saying.
• 1:09:21
  Maybe it's just me that I'm like, if I was untan and I never
• 1:09:26
  mind that I have nowhere near the same background as untan.
• 1:09:29
  If I walked in and I saw this, I would have been like, first of
• 1:09:32
  all, what the fuck? Second of all, get me a chair
• 1:09:35
  and I want a cushion and I don't want to sit on the floor and I'm
• 1:09:40
  going to order you a nice table to put this thing on because.
• 1:09:44
  I am not getting scoliosis playing with you in this middle
• 1:09:48
  room, OK? I feel like your expectations
• 1:09:51
  are high for a bachelor who doesn't want to work.
• 1:09:56
  Right. Who did not design his space
• 1:10:00
  himself? His grandma did.
• 1:10:02
  Like he just shows up. You got a point.
• 1:10:04
  Guys, Yeah, guys keep going to guys places.
• 1:10:09
  True. He does keep it pretty clean, so
• 1:10:10
  I'm not far off from like, you know.
• 1:10:14
  Maybe he's just an orderly person, but you'll go to a guy's
• 1:10:18
  house and all he'll have is his computer channel.
• 1:10:22
  Stop, stop. Because this is a running joke.
• 1:10:24
  This is a running joke in just society, right?
• 1:10:28
  That they'll have, like, a mattress on the floor and a
• 1:10:31
  really nice game console and a TV with the wires still, like,
• 1:10:34
  sticking all over the place, and they'll be like, welcome.
• 1:10:37
  And I'm like, no, no, no. Get your life in order.
• 1:10:44
  Get a freaking bed frame. Exactly like I love that running
• 1:10:49
  joke, though. I do I just.
• 1:10:52
  You go to that stuff A. Few times so I know what I'm
• 1:10:56
  saying. It's scary.
• 1:10:59
  It's scary and he's very scary. He's not at that level, though.
• 1:11:01
  He's not at that level. He's way above that level.
• 1:11:05
  OK, He's got furniture. He's got food in the house.
• 1:11:07
  He's got dining chairs. He cooks.
• 1:11:10
  He cooks. OK, like, I'm.
• 1:11:12
  I'm not far off from, like, coming in here and being like
• 1:11:14
  this is bare minimum. Let's level up, OK?
• 1:11:17
  Well, wasn't it the same in House of Cards?
• 1:11:21
  Did you ever watch House? No, I never watched House of
• 1:11:23
  Cards, The American or The The. American one.
• 1:11:28
  The guy had a whole. What's what's the war in the war
• 1:11:34
  between the North and South in America?
• 1:11:37
  I'm in Canada. Sorry.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, that one. I'm in Canada.
• 1:11:41
  OK, Sorry, I'm saying. Civil War?
• 1:11:42
  Civil War. Yeah, he had a whole toy setup
• 1:11:46
  thing that he was always playing with and it was on the floor.
• 1:11:51
  I can know. Can know.
• 1:11:53
  No media. Oh my gosh, you're telling me
• 1:11:56
  Kevin Spacey was on the floor? Yes.
• 1:12:00
  Kevin Spacey. That's him.
• 1:12:02
  Yeah. Let's not get into Kevin Spacey
• 1:12:04
  at the moment, but OK. That's a word.
• 1:12:08
  Sorry, we just cursed on the show.
• 1:12:10
  We mentioned Kevin Spacey, so, OK, so that's how Kyle kung Yu's
• 1:12:17
  character. He's got, he's got a lot going
• 1:12:20
  on, but I would say that I didn't like the whole drama with
• 1:12:26
  his dad. Which I thought was very simple
• 1:12:28
  to understand, and they complicated it because they were
• 1:12:30
  like, he's an illegitimate child, that's what he believes.
• 1:12:35
  And that's not his real mom and his dad had an affair and all
• 1:12:39
  this stuff. Come to find out, he's just some
• 1:12:44
  other kid. Like they had friends that fell
• 1:12:46
  in love and then he was born out of wedlock or so.
• 1:12:50
  No, no, they were married. And then they got divorced.
• 1:12:53
  And then his mom died in a car, in a car accident.
• 1:12:57
  And then he was in an orphanage and the dad who moved to
• 1:13:01
  Australia just like, fucked off and didn't care about his child.
• 1:13:06
  And then he was adopted by his current family.
• 1:13:12
  And I'm like, it's so annoying to me that they, yes, I found it
• 1:13:18
  so annoying and that they were trying to derive drama out of
• 1:13:22
  it. And I was like, this is not
• 1:13:24
  where the draw. This is not where the drama is
• 1:13:27
  at, you know? It's lack of communication and
• 1:13:33
  the good old, you know, guys who are stoic like the dad, never
• 1:13:38
  actually saying anything. And I and I in part understood
• 1:13:42
  him because this is the child of his first love.
• 1:13:45
  He's not gonna every day be like, yo, this is my first love
• 1:13:49
  when he's married this woman. And unfortunately.
• 1:13:54
  Messed up. It's so messed up.
• 1:13:57
  It's too messed. It is so messed up.
• 1:13:59
  It is too messed up. But I think the mom character is
• 1:14:04
  more loving than necessary. More loving than that.
• 1:14:09
  Situation in that situation like how are you bringing your first
• 1:14:15
  loves? You just can't get over her.
• 1:14:18
  Your husband's first love. Had a child, died.
• 1:14:24
  Now you're gonna raise your husband's first loves child.
• 1:14:28
  Yeah, like. It's a lot.
• 1:14:30
  Come on. Come on.
• 1:14:31
  It's a lot. It's a stretch.
• 1:14:33
  It's such a stretch. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:14:35
  Like it's, yeah, as much as they wanted to and then they kept.
• 1:14:39
  It felt like they just kept adding to the drama versus
• 1:14:43
  taking away. Like I'm like to simplify.
• 1:14:45
  He has daddy issues. We're done.
• 1:14:47
  I don't think. I think it could have been
• 1:14:48
  enough where the dad was just ill prepared to raise a child.
• 1:14:54
  Maybe he has issues of his own and they had to work it out
• 1:14:57
  versus he's raising his first loves child and the dad, the
• 1:15:02
  biological dad coming back. I was like I don't give a shit
• 1:15:04
  like it was not good. I did not appreciate the
• 1:15:09
  biological dad. What a talk to me.
• 1:15:13
  Talk to me. I I did not appreciate that
• 1:15:16
  scene because I'm just like, what do you want?
• 1:15:19
  Why are you, why are you back here?
• 1:15:22
  And I think they used it as a way to tell him the truth of
• 1:15:27
  his, you know, origin story, but I didn't care for it.
• 1:15:32
  And they're like, oh, you have a brother.
• 1:15:33
  And I was just like, I don't, I don't care.
• 1:15:37
  I don't care. And I don't think they it wasn't
• 1:15:42
  that important because the same way he struggled with his
• 1:15:46
  sexuality and and family and found family, you don't see him
• 1:15:51
  struggle with this whole dad situation.
• 1:15:56
  So it's not that important. It's not that important.
• 1:15:59
  I do appreciate how going Chan supported him in it.
• 1:16:04
  Oh, sure, sure. But.
• 1:16:07
  Comma, I don't care. I don't care.
• 1:16:09
  He didn't seem to mind. It was it was a lot for him, but
• 1:16:13
  he seemed to take it in stride and just felt like a waste of
• 1:16:17
  time. And the drama is sitting pretty
• 1:16:19
  at 17 episodes. So to me, if this was made
• 1:16:24
  today, this would be 12 episodes.
• 1:16:28
  They would cut down so much of that crap.
• 1:16:31
  They would cut down on the mom like Going Ton's mom.
• 1:16:35
  And the neighborhood butcher who have like an on and off again
• 1:16:38
  like every conversation they have.
• 1:16:39
  I'm like it's the same conversation.
• 1:16:41
  Literally the same conversation. Every time that he has a crush
• 1:16:44
  on her he wants to marry her. Why isn't she giving him the
• 1:16:47
  time of day? And it's just nothing
• 1:16:48
  Conversations, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:50
  That would have been cut the whole drama with conchants mean
• 1:16:55
  little bratty sister and. And so I got.
• 1:17:00
  Oh my God. Entitled little bitch.
• 1:17:02
  I hated her for so much of the show.
• 1:17:05
  And then her with Mignon. I hated the way she treated.
• 1:17:09
  Her. She treated him like shit, like
• 1:17:12
  shit. So every time they were together
• 1:17:14
  and she was demanding things and he was smitten over her and
• 1:17:17
  would do anything she she wanted.
• 1:17:19
  I was sick of it. It happened so much so if this
• 1:17:22
  was 12 episodes made today, all of that would be cut down or
• 1:17:27
  gone entirely. So many things would be taken
• 1:17:32
  out, like the whole drama. Also I hated this of Kinjewuk's
• 1:17:37
  character Sony Songki, him and the the Japanese lady or
• 1:17:43
  something that he fell in love with.
• 1:17:44
  But she was married in an abusive relationship and then
• 1:17:47
  she escaped to Korea and he followed her to Korea and he was
• 1:17:50
  stalking her, his her. Son or something in the daycare.
• 1:17:54
  And he was like, where do you live?
• 1:17:55
  And I was like, what is this? What is this?
• 1:17:59
  And then she packs up and leaves.
• 1:18:00
  She kept warning him like stop coming by here.
• 1:18:02
  I don't want to deal with you. And even if I like you a little
• 1:18:06
  bit it's not that much. It's not that serious.
• 1:18:08
  Why are you here exactly. And she just up and leaves
• 1:18:13
  leaves like doesn't tell her, doesn't tell him where she's
• 1:18:16
  going, cuz so Kim J looks drama. Another hindrance of the show.
• 1:18:21
  I was skipping most of that shit.
• 1:18:24
  I mean, the list goes on for different things that I don't
• 1:18:27
  care about. Yeah, you know.
• 1:18:32
  So that's the major qualm with the show for me, because we got
• 1:18:36
  17 episodes and you're not just watching Kung, You and Yun and
• 1:18:42
  hey, you're watching all of these characters and their
• 1:18:45
  various. Idiosyncrasies.
• 1:18:47
  And I'm like, I don't care. I don't.
• 1:18:51
  And maybe that makes me a bad person or maybe it just makes it
• 1:18:54
  really obvious on rewatch what I care and don't care about in
• 1:18:58
  stories and what is the meat right.
• 1:19:01
  I don't want to keep eating you know.
• 1:19:04
  Breadsticks all episode. I want to fill up on the main
• 1:19:08
  course, OK? And to me they're they were the
• 1:19:13
  main course. OK, yeah, I agree.
• 1:19:17
  I agree. I think.
• 1:19:19
  I feel bad because I feel like we've gone to the part of the
• 1:19:21
  episode where I'm just like shitting on this show.
• 1:19:25
  But I, you know, I think. That because they had 17
• 1:19:31
  episodes, they got to show a little bit about everybody's
• 1:19:35
  life. Was that necessary?
• 1:19:37
  I don't know. But does that make them
• 1:19:41
  memorable at this time? Absolutely.
• 1:19:44
  When you think of Kim J Woo, you do think of his character in
• 1:19:49
  Coffee Prince. Each person had a distinct story
• 1:19:55
  to them that you remember, right.
• 1:19:59
  The cofounder of The Coffee Prince, I felt like his story
• 1:20:04
  with his love life was there to to show and to like be a lesson.
• 1:20:13
  To Cher, hang out and Sunky. I liked his love story and the
• 1:20:19
  way that he told it was very well done because he does it on
• 1:20:23
  the rooftop and this is after home use characters found out
• 1:20:28
  the jig is up. Like he knows that Untine is a
• 1:20:30
  is a girl and he's. Really.
• 1:20:32
  Oh my gosh, that is That moment is one of my favorite lines in
• 1:20:36
  the show when he says something along the lines of.
• 1:20:42
  Yes, I know I'm angry. But when I think about it, can I
• 1:20:45
  live without this person? That that yo perspective and
• 1:20:52
  just forgiveness and letting it go so that you can move to the
• 1:20:57
  next stage. I was like, Oh my God, that's
• 1:21:01
  amazing. I thought it was a very good use
• 1:21:03
  of that story. From what was it hometown?
• 1:21:08
  The the other co-owner or something of the coffee prints.
• 1:21:12
  He was very good at inserting some much needed perspective
• 1:21:17
  throughout the show, but that scene was amazing for him.
• 1:21:20
  I didn't like how they thought that was juicy enough to bring
• 1:21:23
  around in the final episode where he meets that first love
• 1:21:27
  again, the one who ditched him and was like really bad to him.
• 1:21:32
  And she's married and has a kid and all this stuff.
• 1:21:35
  And I'm like, we don't need this.
• 1:21:36
  We do not need this. That was a standalone thing in
• 1:21:39
  an earlier episode. We don't need it.
• 1:21:41
  So that's what I mean by There was a lot of little things that
• 1:21:45
  added up, and I just didn't like some of these side stories that
• 1:21:49
  didn't need to be. Side stories that could have
• 1:21:51
  just been. Oh really cool monologue instead
• 1:21:54
  of like, oh, now we have to find out what happened to him in his
• 1:21:58
  first level. Did we need to circle back on
• 1:22:00
  that? No.
• 1:22:01
  No we didn't. Know I agree.
• 1:22:07
  Let me see. I also that character Hongge
• 1:22:11
  Hongge Chic. That dude was disgusting.
• 1:22:17
  I don't know how he lived. I don't know how he lived.
• 1:22:22
  See, it made sense that he was on the floor.
• 1:22:24
  Filth, because he was in episode one, he was like picking his
• 1:22:30
  nose and I was like weird, ill and then he kept doing really
• 1:22:35
  gross hygiene things. The towel that he used.
• 1:22:39
  On no, no, stop, stop, stop something.
• 1:22:42
  I was like this is nasty and then him picking like some gum
• 1:22:47
  off the glass in coffee prints and then like.
• 1:22:52
  Putting it in his mouth and stuff, he was disgusting.
• 1:22:56
  A cesspool. A cesspool.
• 1:22:59
  So that's a side note for that guy.
• 1:23:02
  Because I was like, I don't think they would ever make such
• 1:23:06
  a gross dude in a current drama. I don't know why they made this
• 1:23:11
  guy so repulsive that I was not laughing.
• 1:23:18
  But he was really good at his job, though.
• 1:23:20
  True. True.
• 1:23:21
  And then I couldn't tell if it was real or not because the way
• 1:23:23
  they shot it, I was like, did he really just do that?
• 1:23:28
  Like take a towel and like clean the tow cheese out from his feet
• 1:23:33
  and then clean his teeth with the same towel?
• 1:23:37
  The shot is unbroken, so I'm convinced that they made him do
• 1:23:41
  all these nasty things over and over again for the take.
• 1:23:46
  It's. Nasty.
• 1:23:47
  Imagine. It's so good.
• 1:23:49
  Yeah, it was. So let's talk really quick about
• 1:23:54
  the meat. Cute.
• 1:23:55
  And then we can talk about the whole tension of them falling in
• 1:23:58
  love and some great scenes that we have.
• 1:24:00
  OK, so she's really poor. She's living paycheck to
• 1:24:05
  paycheck. She's a delivery driver.
• 1:24:07
  She's a Taekwondo instructor. She's peeling chestnuts.
• 1:24:10
  She's sewing eyes on little plushies.
• 1:24:14
  And it's all menial work, and her mother is an overspender.
• 1:24:19
  She's spending $100 on shoes that they can't afford.
• 1:24:22
  It's really messed up. But she delivers food to Kong
• 1:24:26
  Yu's penthouse apartment, and he is nearly naked.
• 1:24:33
  He's just in a towel, and he's sitting on a on a couch, using a
• 1:24:38
  smaller towel to wipe the shower, the water off of his.
• 1:24:43
  Legs and she looks up his towel as he's drying himself and
• 1:24:50
  definitely sees him naked. I had got I got questions
• 1:24:56
  though, because why? First of all, he gets out of the
• 1:25:00
  bathtub Because he's taking a bath full of soap and it's like
• 1:25:05
  a bubble bath. He gets out, still covered in
• 1:25:10
  soap sets. OK, that was and I was like.
• 1:25:14
  He's a maniac. He's a maniac because he cuts
• 1:25:18
  out of the shower. He's like on the phone or
• 1:25:19
  something. And I was like, is he going to
• 1:25:22
  get back in the bath? I was so confused.
• 1:25:25
  And then he starts drying himself off, just puts a towel
• 1:25:27
  on with soap still on his body. And I was like, somebody call
• 1:25:31
  91, call 911 because he needs help.
• 1:25:36
  That was uncalled for. I was like, who does that?
• 1:25:41
  And then she shows up and he's like, Oh yeah, just leave the
• 1:25:43
  food there at the front table. Yeah, And I'm like, who the hell
• 1:25:49
  takes delivery in a towel still covered in soap sets?
• 1:25:55
  And I will. Say.
• 1:25:59
  It was so K drama. It was so K drama.
• 1:26:03
  I don't think it was K drama, because sometimes it's crucial.
• 1:26:07
  Listen, I was sick a couple of months ago.
• 1:26:10
  What are you telling me? What are you telling me, Carol?
• 1:26:13
  Let me just finish. Let me just finish.
• 1:26:15
  I was sick. That's the context.
• 1:26:17
  I was sick and I put it on my Instagram and this person I
• 1:26:21
  hadn't worked with in like 4 years was like, hey, I have some
• 1:26:26
  antibiotics, I will get you, I will bring it to you.
• 1:26:29
  And she told me she'll come at 12.
• 1:26:32
  So I'm in the shower, I'm washing my hair.
• 1:26:34
  I have, I'm black, I have like 4C hair and she's, I'm washing
• 1:26:41
  my hair and I get a text. Hey, I'm here.
• 1:26:44
  She was 2 hours early and she was on her way to drop her
• 1:26:48
  sister, her daughter off at a birthday party.
• 1:26:50
  So I'm like, ooh, I got to go. So I just put on my shower cap,
• 1:26:54
  I put on my robe, I ran downstairs and that was like
• 1:26:59
  conditioner. All over me.
• 1:27:02
  So you know what? It happens.
• 1:27:05
  It happens. I was just like.
• 1:27:07
  How do I put it? He No, he didn't Even he wasn't
• 1:27:13
  care. He did not care because he was
• 1:27:15
  already out of the back before she ever knocked on the door.
• 1:27:19
  Yeah, he didn't care. OK, he's.
• 1:27:23
  I was surprised billing that he was.
• 1:27:25
  Billing because of what? First of all, he had a studio,
• 1:27:30
  so it was just one big space. It was an extended bathroom, OK,
• 1:27:35
  with a couch. So he was.
• 1:27:38
  No. But then he's kind of tickled by
• 1:27:40
  the fact that she get she looked at him or he because at this
• 1:27:44
  point he thinks that delivery driver is a man.
• 1:27:47
  He's like, oh, did he see something that he liked?
• 1:27:50
  I think that was around the line that he said, yeah, and I was
• 1:27:53
  like, this man is out of bounds. Out of bounds because that is,
• 1:28:00
  so he's. Playful he's.
• 1:28:03
  So open and. He's so open and playful.
• 1:28:08
  Tickled by the fact that she she might have seen, so he might
• 1:28:12
  have seen something I was like, Oh my God, I wouldn't like.
• 1:28:18
  I don't know if this is just a man thing or what, Like if you
• 1:28:21
  are one of these people that is OK with this scene and would be
• 1:28:25
  the Kong Yu's character. Do this reaction, have this this
• 1:28:30
  play out and you're perfectly fine with it.
• 1:28:32
  Please talk to me because I want to know what kind of personality
• 1:28:35
  you have and I don't know if it's just a personality thing.
• 1:28:40
  I'd love to know her meet cute with the second male lead which
• 1:28:44
  is our cousin is really good. I think this is the better me
• 1:28:48
  cute to be quite honest with you because she I know she delivers
• 1:28:53
  milk to his house every morning and.
• 1:28:56
  She's on the other side of the gate of the gate at his house
• 1:29:00
  and he has got a giant sheep dog named Terry, which I love the
• 1:29:05
  name Terry for a dog. Terry is like a human name and
• 1:29:11
  she's petting the dog, she's playing with the dog, she's
• 1:29:14
  awooing the dog. She's like, oh, trying to get
• 1:29:16
  the dog to howl with her. And it's so charming and.
• 1:29:21
  She tells the dog, oh, like, get your owner, get your dad to come
• 1:29:25
  out and, you know, have some fresh air or something.
• 1:29:28
  And he hears her talking to the dog and being really good to the
• 1:29:32
  dog. And she leaves and all he
• 1:29:34
  catches is like a glimpse of her leaving on her bike.
• 1:29:38
  Yeah, and I was like. This is a really good me.
• 1:29:42
  Cute. It is.
• 1:29:44
  And I think that it's especially fascinating because his
• 1:29:48
  introduction to her is a girl, because he heard her voice
• 1:29:53
  while. And Chan, let's talk about it
• 1:29:57
  for a second. During those times, all the jobs
• 1:30:00
  she was doing were for men. So because she passed as a guy,
• 1:30:06
  she was able to get those jobs. And so you could see in their
• 1:30:12
  head the, What is it? I don't want to say prejudice,
• 1:30:18
  but they already have those linked images to yeah, oh,
• 1:30:23
  delivery guy, oh, this guy, guy, guy.
• 1:30:27
  And for him to see her as a woman first.
• 1:30:30
  I was like, oh, this is so cute. This is perfect.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah, it's really cute and. I love that later on she he
• 1:30:38
  meets her outside the wine bar where she's like temping for a
• 1:30:42
  night and she gets the gender of the dog wrong.
• 1:30:47
  I thought this is such a great touch because she goes, she
• 1:30:49
  thought it was a girl dog and he goes, oh it's a boy and she's
• 1:30:53
  like, oh Dang, I thought it was like, I thought it was a girl
• 1:30:55
  and I'm like, wow, wait wait a I guess inside joke I guess is
• 1:31:02
  good. I like that little nice touch.
• 1:31:05
  But then they enter here and Kong, Kong, you entered the
• 1:31:08
  contract relationship. She plays his fake boyfriend.
• 1:31:13
  He doesn't believe her when she gives her ID number and it has a
• 1:31:17
  13 in it, which signifies that she's a female.
• 1:31:22
  He's like no, no, no, give me your real ID number.
• 1:31:25
  See. But that's what I mean by he
• 1:31:28
  already had his preconceived notions.
• 1:31:31
  I know of what a girl should look like and what a guy.
• 1:31:35
  Looks. Like, I know it's crazy, but I
• 1:31:38
  did. I thought I took a step back
• 1:31:39
  when I think there's a moment where she's talking about
• 1:31:42
  payment and she wants payment for every little thing of
• 1:31:45
  skinship that he does to her on these blind dates.
• 1:31:48
  So she's like, what does a handhold cost that should be
• 1:31:52
  Cost this, this cost this. If you touch me here, cost this.
• 1:31:56
  And then she stops short of the kissing price and he follows
• 1:32:01
  that up with, what if I rape you?
• 1:32:05
  And I was like what I was like. Did I read that wrong?
• 1:32:09
  Wait, what? Yes, yes.
• 1:32:12
  No, I gotta look that up this. Is episode 2 episode two.
• 1:32:16
  He says that to her in a playful tone because she stopped short
• 1:32:20
  of kissing. Then he I guess he thought this
• 1:32:23
  would be funny if I follow this up and tease her about what if I
• 1:32:26
  rape her and I was like ho ho. Wait, did that did he say sleep
• 1:32:30
  with you or did he actually say rape?
• 1:32:33
  The translation. On Vicki was rape.
• 1:32:37
  Stop it. Yes.
• 1:32:40
  OK, that just brought it down for me.
• 1:32:42
  And then in that same episode, he parks his Mini Cooper in the
• 1:32:48
  middle of two spaces, 2 parking spaces, like he parks on the
• 1:32:52
  line and I was like red flag, red flag like.
• 1:32:58
  If I don't, I don't know how to drive, so I'm just.
• 1:33:01
  Like, Oh my God, Carol, you do not park.
• 1:33:04
  In the middle of two spaces, OK, that's just not that.
• 1:33:09
  That's asshole behavior. And so those two things taken
• 1:33:12
  together, I was like, is there other stuff that I'm missing
• 1:33:15
  that I don't remember happened that are super red flaggy for
• 1:33:18
  this guy? Oh my gosh, now you're gonna
• 1:33:21
  make me watch this again. I can't believe you didn't see
• 1:33:25
  this. And then he manhandles her so
• 1:33:28
  much throughout the show. He does.
• 1:33:31
  Like, just yanking her around and oh, let's go talk and he
• 1:33:35
  grabs her wrist and like, Yanks her out.
• 1:33:36
  I'm like, this stuff is really annoying and sort of dated and
• 1:33:44
  uncomfortable to watch. So all of those things were
• 1:33:46
  early, right? Well, those two things.
• 1:33:48
  And then the manhandling happened throughout.
• 1:33:51
  I have an episode 4. This is my note.
• 1:33:54
  I swear, all these guys are gay. This is my note because I said I
• 1:34:00
  have like proceeds too, because at the first team dinner that
• 1:34:06
  they have Mignon that unfortunately the actor that
• 1:34:09
  died, that character gets drunk and kisses Jaewuk, Kim Jaewuk on
• 1:34:15
  the back of his head. And then the other guy, Kim Dong
• 1:34:19
  Wook, that guy, that's his real name in real life.
• 1:34:22
  He sucks on his toe. And then he kisses Kongyu.
• 1:34:27
  He kisses Kongyu on the head, smothers the old man Kim Jong
• 1:34:33
  Tang one, that's the real actor's name.
• 1:34:35
  And then he kisses Yunhe Yunhe on the lips.
• 1:34:42
  And presumably all of these guys are straight and I'm like,
• 1:34:46
  bullshit, bullshit. All these guys queer, OK?
• 1:34:49
  Like, this is not. I mean.
• 1:34:53
  What do you feel about the I feel like they're blending the
• 1:34:56
  the as much as the show talks about explicitly like the
• 1:35:02
  homosexuality. I feel like the show is just
• 1:35:05
  gender bending and a fluid sexuality all around.
• 1:35:11
  Yeah, I think it was. Let me see, 22,007.
• 1:35:19
  I'm gonna age myself. OK, it's for a moment.
• 1:35:21
  Don't worry about it. So please forgive me, Okay.
• 1:35:30
  So 2007 was the first time I had heard the name the term
• 1:35:35
  metrosexual. Really.
• 1:35:37
  Yes, and I just had to look it up again.
• 1:35:41
  The definition relating to or denoting men who live in urban
• 1:35:45
  areas, enjoy shopping, fashion and similar interest
• 1:35:48
  traditionally associated with women or gay men.
• 1:35:51
  I think that there was, there seemed to be a lot of
• 1:35:57
  representation of that in the show with with Sungi, the waffle
• 1:36:02
  guy and and then just the way they spoke.
• 1:36:09
  But I also think that without saying, I don't know, I don't
• 1:36:15
  know how to explain it because. Growing up I would see guys like
• 1:36:20
  hold hands and and do stupid shits.
• 1:36:25
  OK. Which now we would put
• 1:36:28
  definitions on. Uh huh.
• 1:36:30
  Which we didn't back in the day. And you know what, maybe that's
• 1:36:34
  my hang up is that I feel like there's definitions for things
• 1:36:37
  now that happened throughout the show and they didn't put any
• 1:36:42
  labels on anything throughout the show exactly.
• 1:36:45
  Exactly. Labels.
• 1:36:46
  That's, that's the word. So I didn't find it weird
• 1:36:53
  because I also went to a boarding school for for three
• 1:37:00
  years. So I was in a boarding school
• 1:37:02
  and it was a mixed school, but you had separate quarters for
• 1:37:07
  the guys and the girls, but you heard and you saw this shit all
• 1:37:10
  the time. And so OK.
• 1:37:14
  So you're a little desensitized. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:17
  I wasn't desensitized, but OK, it was more so I didn't have a
• 1:37:20
  label. It's normal.
• 1:37:23
  Right, right. I don't.
• 1:37:26
  I don't know what's right or wrong in this case to put a
• 1:37:28
  label on it or to just leave it the way it is.
• 1:37:31
  It is. What is?
• 1:37:33
  I I I think it is what it is, is what I prefer, OK?
• 1:37:38
  Because I think labeling has become a little too political.
• 1:37:42
  Absolutely, yeah. Episode 4, they go play
• 1:37:49
  basketball and shirtless. Kongyu will always be top tier
• 1:37:58
  like K drama to me because they go, they like ditch work one day
• 1:38:03
  because it's slow at the coffee prints.
• 1:38:06
  And they go play basketball. Com you starts to chew them out,
• 1:38:08
  starts to reprimand them and then he's like, I'll play you
• 1:38:10
  for whatever out. I don't even know how they get
• 1:38:12
  to the baseball. I'm sorry basketball.
• 1:38:16
  But A+ plus scene that follows it up because after the
• 1:38:21
  basketball they sort of they come together as a group right
• 1:38:25
  of like you talk about found family earlier.
• 1:38:27
  Now the guys are even closer after doing this like basketball
• 1:38:30
  scene. I'll know how you And then hey
• 1:38:32
  kept it together because they're like dripping in sweat.
• 1:38:36
  And Kongyu's got his shirt, like wide open and I'm like, I can't
• 1:38:41
  even handle this. And I'm sitting in an air
• 1:38:42
  conditioned room in 2023, so I don't, I don't know how she was
• 1:38:46
  there to do it. Because she had not come into
• 1:38:51
  her like sexuality, like she's oh.
• 1:38:55
  My God, we have to talk about that too.
• 1:38:57
  Yeah. But anyway, so then they
• 1:38:58
  followed the basketball scene up with the fountain scene, friends
• 1:39:03
  style, and they make like a pack, like, oh, let's fight.
• 1:39:08
  Fighting, fighting. We're going to do well at the
• 1:39:10
  Coffee Prince. Let's make three times our
• 1:39:13
  investment or whatever it was that going you promised the
• 1:39:16
  grandmother. And they throw a coin in this
• 1:39:19
  giant fountain and then they all jump in the fountain.
• 1:39:23
  Yeah, it looks like so much fun, So refreshing.
• 1:39:27
  I'm not even bothering with the fact that they're in a public
• 1:39:29
  fountain romping around. I don't even care.
• 1:39:32
  I'm like, this is top. Like, this is cinema.
• 1:39:35
  You know what I'm saying? Like and the needle drops
• 1:39:39
  throughout the show. I wasn't concerned at all with
• 1:39:42
  the OSCI was concerned with the music that they had license,
• 1:39:45
  just music that was not created for the show specifically.
• 1:39:49
  And they had songs like This Will Be Everlasting Love from
• 1:39:52
  Natalie Cole, which I'm like how much did they pay for that?
• 1:39:55
  And then they had on the The Fountain scene, You and Me song
• 1:40:00
  from the Wannadies. Yeah.
• 1:40:02
  Oh my God, I love that song so much.
• 1:40:06
  So really fun sequences that kind of stick in your brain.
• 1:40:10
  They don't have much to do with the plot at all.
• 1:40:14
  This is just like music video fodder.
• 1:40:16
  But I love it. I love it.
• 1:40:20
  Yeah. So I don't know if you had any
• 1:40:24
  other scenes before we get to She turns into a girl for a
• 1:40:27
  night. Yes, I loved when they went,
• 1:40:32
  when they went to like the team event where Gongyu is selling
• 1:40:37
  apples or something like. That, Oh yes, the orchard.
• 1:40:40
  That whole, yeah, the orchard, that whole scene where they work
• 1:40:44
  together, collect the apples and they go into the water and many
• 1:40:48
  help is like, no, no, you're a girl.
• 1:40:51
  He was so cute. He was so cute when he found out
• 1:40:55
  she was a girl. So I loved that.
• 1:40:59
  And I also loved when the guys were living together and just
• 1:41:07
  how deplorable it. Was.
• 1:41:11
  And how you I. Mean.
• 1:41:14
  I thought it was worse than the like the parasite basement.
• 1:41:18
  It was worse. I was like, this was worse,
• 1:41:20
  Yeah. But you could see their
• 1:41:22
  personalities in that space with Sungi like being super clean and
• 1:41:28
  he had his like mosquito coil he's.
• 1:41:34
  Yes, it's good it. Was it was good?
• 1:41:37
  Yeah. She gets a makeover K drama
• 1:41:41
  trope. She gets a makeover for the art
• 1:41:44
  exhibition that she goes to with Aja she cousin.
• 1:41:48
  I forgot how horrendous she looks when she leaves the house
• 1:41:51
  and he picks. Her up.
• 1:41:52
  Oh my gosh, I wipe that out of my memory.
• 1:41:55
  I don't know how they let her leave the house like that.
• 1:42:00
  Yo, they don't like her. Like the mom, let me just say
• 1:42:04
  because of the way she left the house to go to the art
• 1:42:07
  exhibition, I think her mother and her little sister hate her.
• 1:42:12
  There is no way that they should have let her step foot looking
• 1:42:16
  like that. She looked like a clown.
• 1:42:18
  She. Did she literally look like a
• 1:42:21
  clown? And so he takes her to get
• 1:42:24
  spruced up and get a change of clothes and everything, and she
• 1:42:27
  comes down looking amazing. And I love she falls down the
• 1:42:32
  stairs, not fully. She just like, skips a step and
• 1:42:35
  he catches her from falling. And it's so she's all that.
• 1:42:37
  It hurts like, I'm like, Oh my God, a dream.
• 1:42:43
  Sequence. Yeah.
• 1:42:45
  It's it's good. And then obviously hijinks
• 1:42:48
  because Kongyu ends up attending the art exhibition instead of,
• 1:42:52
  you know, her just being there Incognito.
• 1:42:55
  She's now trying to avoid Kongyu and all stuff.
• 1:42:58
  Yeah, that's great. And he doesn't recognize her at
• 1:43:03
  all. I like at all, because that was
• 1:43:08
  a bit unbelievable for. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:14
  But I'm just like, wow are we? So, like, how strongly do we
• 1:43:20
  believe what we believe and do not challenge our thoughts?
• 1:43:24
  I don't. You're trying about suspension
• 1:43:25
  of disbelief? Or are you just talking about?
• 1:43:28
  For him. Oh, for him.
• 1:43:29
  OK. For him and even for me, I'm
• 1:43:33
  just like, OK, I'm seeing A and that's A and now you're telling
• 1:43:38
  me it's B and I'm like, no, that's A like.
• 1:43:42
  Come on Guy, open your eyes. Yeah, he's a blind.
• 1:43:48
  Just completely blind to her. Yeah, In episode six, he is
• 1:43:55
  already. I mean, he already likes her.
• 1:43:57
  He's already bothering her at work and just like a school kid
• 1:44:01
  with a crush, he's like ordering her around.
• 1:44:03
  She's getting frustrated. She blows her bangs up.
• 1:44:07
  Like she does like thing with her bangs and he's like, why
• 1:44:10
  don't you stop doing that? I need you to stop.
• 1:44:12
  He's so hot and bothered he's. So hot and bothered.
• 1:44:16
  And he aggressively drags her up to the rooftop And he got like,
• 1:44:22
  he's so hot and bothered. He looked like he got a fever.
• 1:44:25
  He just like, can I hug you? And she's super uncomfortable
• 1:44:29
  And she backs away from him and he says it's just like when they
• 1:44:32
  were doing the blind days. Come on, he doesn't bite, but he
• 1:44:36
  doesn't wait for her consent. He just grabs her and pulls her
• 1:44:39
  in for the hug. And I was like, okay, not not my
• 1:44:43
  favorite, but he's doing it to gauge his physical reaction to
• 1:44:47
  the hug to see if he's attracted to her.
• 1:44:50
  Because earlier he had hugged you do the second female lead
• 1:44:53
  and was like, oh thank God I'm still straight because I guess
• 1:44:56
  he felt something so he does it to her on time.
• 1:45:01
  And I love their reactions to after the hug.
• 1:45:05
  Yeah. Because she's like like Shook
• 1:45:08
  and grabbing the wall and shit to keep keep up and he does the
• 1:45:13
  same and he's just like clutching his heart like, oh
• 1:45:15
  shit, you know? I think that was the first time
• 1:45:20
  for her to sort of recognize that she feels different and.
• 1:45:29
  And the feelings may be strong. Uhhuh.
• 1:45:34
  Uhhuh. Grandma gets sick with stage 4
• 1:45:37
  stomach cancer around episode 7, and they did absolutely nothing
• 1:45:44
  with the stomach cancer with like that was just nothing.
• 1:45:50
  Almost like given that the elderly character would get
• 1:45:53
  sick. Yeah.
• 1:45:55
  So I didn't like that. I feel like that was half baked.
• 1:45:59
  And OK. Do you have thoughts on that?
• 1:46:03
  I'm just. Thinking I'm just thinking about
• 1:46:05
  the sequences of that, and I think they put it in there to
• 1:46:10
  show just how much Hanggill adores the women and his family.
• 1:46:17
  Because for Grandma and Mom, that guy would burn the earth
• 1:46:24
  for those two women. So to to get to see him obsess
• 1:46:29
  over her and his mom and just be like an adorable baby for them
• 1:46:37
  and for me, I'm just like, OK, yes, he loves them, but is he
• 1:46:41
  also overcompensating because his dad is lacking?
• 1:46:45
  Oh, I got nothing to add to that.
• 1:46:48
  We're going to move on because I was really Episode 8.
• 1:46:54
  She gets a kiss. She gets kissed by the cousin at
• 1:46:59
  his house. Ohh another iffy area.
• 1:47:02
  Iffy. Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Iffy. Iffy.
• 1:47:05
  I did not. It's very surprising.
• 1:47:09
  And I could see why. She just ran out the house.
• 1:47:11
  Yeah, because there was no provocation.
• 1:47:14
  He just, like, came up on her. Yeah.
• 1:47:17
  Yeah. And, you know, obviously no
• 1:47:19
  consent or anything. And I was like, then later on in
• 1:47:22
  the episode, she's over at Komu's house.
• 1:47:27
  And he says you're gay, right? I'm not.
• 1:47:31
  So stop trying to seduce me. And I'm like, Oh my God.
• 1:47:39
  Brah, it's not that simple. I was like babe and then he.
• 1:47:44
  Borrowed the notebook like it's not that simple, it's.
• 1:47:47
  Not that simple. And then he gums up with that
• 1:47:51
  sworn brothers thing with a young name.
• 1:47:54
  Thing and then they get the he gets their ears pierced as like
• 1:47:57
  their sworn brothers oath. I don't even know.
• 1:48:00
  OK, OK. OK.
• 1:48:02
  But that brings up what we just, we talked about earlier about
• 1:48:07
  you know not having labels and all these things being normal
• 1:48:13
  and so he's trying to like find normal for him and and.
• 1:48:20
  Make it seem less without actually saying or accepting
• 1:48:25
  that he has stronger feelings. Then I think this is I have
• 1:48:33
  notes for episodes 9 through 12, but the night at the beach.
• 1:48:38
  Get out, get out. This is the Oh my God, this is K
• 1:48:42
  drama crack. This is the crackiest of crack.
• 1:48:46
  She there's like walking on the beach and she sort of go and
• 1:48:48
  saying like, what do you like about me?
• 1:48:50
  Which part of me do you find pretty?
• 1:48:52
  Of course I like you. dot, dot, dot as a sworn brother and she
• 1:48:56
  is really testing this man, OK. I thought that was just kind of
• 1:49:02
  rude of her, I thought because she knows what he thinks of her
• 1:49:07
  and she's still really flirty, like cannot keep it together.
• 1:49:12
  Does she know though? Because you know she did.
• 1:49:17
  She does say that I never like how can you look at me and say
• 1:49:22
  you like me? She she had some major.
• 1:49:25
  No, girl, we'll get to it because this is part of these
• 1:49:27
  sets of episodes, because I feel like it's we have to talk about
• 1:49:31
  the whole in time being like a doe idea and headlights through
• 1:49:36
  the whole thing. But he holds her hand.
• 1:49:41
  And intertwines the hands as lovers do.
• 1:49:43
  And then they watched. She's like, let's stay and watch
• 1:49:45
  the sunrise. And they spend the night out on
• 1:49:48
  the beach and she puts her head on his lap like she saw him do
• 1:49:53
  with you do the second female. She was definitely testing him,
• 1:49:57
  testing him. And then right, I'm like, girl
• 1:50:00
  is really testy. So then he gives her his
• 1:50:04
  cardigan. Real cute because it's, I guess,
• 1:50:06
  chilly up on the beach. I live in Florida.
• 1:50:08
  We don't got that. And then it's hot, like, take we
• 1:50:12
  have no cardigans at the beach. So as she's sleeping, he spoons
• 1:50:19
  her spoons with her. And I love this scene.
• 1:50:23
  It's very complicated. Like complicated, right?
• 1:50:29
  So he's cupping her hand in his and he's just crying as he
• 1:50:34
  kisses her head and he looks just terrified.
• 1:50:38
  At the realization that he loves a man and he's trying to
• 1:50:41
  reconcile this feeling, he goes missing for three days after the
• 1:50:44
  scene because he's just wrecked. He's spiraling.
• 1:50:50
  He has having an identity crisis, if you even have a
• 1:50:53
  mirror scene at his place after where he's like puts the shaving
• 1:50:57
  cream on his face and he's looking at himself in the mirror
• 1:51:00
  and he's just like, smears the mirror with shaving cream.
• 1:51:03
  He doesn't even want to look at himself.
• 1:51:05
  And. He struggled and I felt.
• 1:51:08
  Struggling. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:51:12
  What did you think of the beach scene and sort of the aftermath
• 1:51:15
  of that? It was very I loved it.
• 1:51:20
  It was very cute. It was very poignant.
• 1:51:25
  I think that the aftermath, though, was immature.
• 1:51:32
  Yes, I was thinking that too, because.
• 1:51:35
  Let's just put it in perspective.
• 1:51:36
  He's almost 30. Yeah.
• 1:51:41
  Yes, he's having a sexual identity crisis.
• 1:51:44
  He loves a man. But for him to go AWOL for three
• 1:51:48
  days? And he's a business owner and
• 1:51:52
  just leaves the coffee shop unattended for three days?
• 1:51:55
  Nope. Not receiving any calls.
• 1:51:57
  This is like teenager behavior. It is and that comes with.
• 1:52:03
  The immaturity of not having friends.
• 1:52:05
  You're building your own levels. Because it's not.
• 1:52:08
  It doesn't have friends. No I I.
• 1:52:11
  Like. There's that.
• 1:52:13
  I don't think he has a lot apart from his cousin.
• 1:52:16
  A lot of interaction, meaningful relationships with people.
• 1:52:22
  I thought it was very unfair to understand just how much work
• 1:52:28
  meant to her. And what she could do for her
• 1:52:31
  family and to take that away, so to lash out on her.
• 1:52:35
  I was pissed. Yeah, because he kept saying
• 1:52:38
  every other episode he was like, you're fired, you're done.
• 1:52:41
  Yeah, like you don't play people like a yo-yo, It was very
• 1:52:46
  annoying to watch. But I also understood him
• 1:52:51
  because. He was in an era of we don't go
• 1:52:55
  to therapist, see how he struggled to go to the
• 1:52:59
  psychiatrist and. And the psychiatrist was office
• 1:53:05
  dismal. Yes, that was a bad I was like.
• 1:53:08
  That was a terrible. Portrayal of therapy and going
• 1:53:12
  to a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist was like.
• 1:53:16
  How long have you been having fantasies of dressing as a woman
• 1:53:19
  and thoughts of doing this? And I'm like, what?
• 1:53:21
  Completely wrong. Yeah, completely wrong.
• 1:53:24
  Did. And I was like, but you'll be
• 1:53:26
  fine in a few days if you just take this medication.
• 1:53:28
  I'm like, what? What?
• 1:53:32
  That was the problematic, oh really problematic moment for
• 1:53:36
  me, because it's almost like you're saying pray the gay away,
• 1:53:40
  so take in a sense. Yeah.
• 1:53:41
  Or medicate the. Yeah, medicate, yeah.
• 1:53:44
  And that was that was crossing the line for me.
• 1:53:49
  However, I want to recognize the error and the lack of of empathy
• 1:53:57
  and knowledge and just respect. It was present, so I get it, but
• 1:54:03
  it's it's a hard scene to watch. It is very difficult to see
• 1:54:07
  those three days for him and especially him going to the
• 1:54:10
  psychiatrist. Cohen Chen says.
• 1:54:13
  At this point, I'd rather be his good friend as a man than get
• 1:54:16
  turned down as a woman. As a woman.
• 1:54:19
  And that's so heartbreaking because she has never gotten to
• 1:54:25
  be a woman. This is someone who is the
• 1:54:28
  primary breadwinner of her home. She's.
• 1:54:31
  Interroginous takes over. She has, I guess, masculine
• 1:54:34
  features if you want to call them fat, Masculine, but OK,
• 1:54:39
  she's not traditionally feminine.
• 1:54:41
  She's not traditionally feminine presenting correct era.
• 1:54:45
  And even in flashback sequences of her as a child, she still had
• 1:54:49
  short hair. She was still dressing a little
• 1:54:51
  more like a tomboy, to use the term in the My Drama List
• 1:54:56
  synopsis. And I genuinely felt bad for her
• 1:55:02
  in her struggle, up to a point, because around this time when
• 1:55:06
  he's going through it. And he's not getting any help.
• 1:55:10
  And she says she has this pity party.
• 1:55:15
  It just has many pity parties. She's constantly crying.
• 1:55:18
  And I have in my notes. I'm so sick of her blubbering,
• 1:55:23
  You can't I say in my notes, you can't start a relationship based
• 1:55:26
  on a lie. You have to tell the truth.
• 1:55:29
  You have to open up and be vulnerable.
• 1:55:30
  Let them in. And she wants to have her cake
• 1:55:33
  and eat it too. The entire drama, and I don't
• 1:55:36
  mean coffee prints as a whole, I mean the drama of this section
• 1:55:41
  of the show. Their issues would be wrapped up
• 1:55:46
  if you just manned up, no pun intended, and told him the truth
• 1:55:51
  that she's a woman. I honestly didn't get the
• 1:55:55
  spinning wheels of that section of the show because to me.
• 1:56:02
  She's suffering. He's suffering.
• 1:56:05
  What's gonna change? Like something has to give.
• 1:56:09
  Yes. Oh my gosh.
• 1:56:11
  And I love that when he found out and finally when, you know,
• 1:56:16
  they move forward, he called her out on it.
• 1:56:18
  I think two or three times. Oh, I have the direct quotes
• 1:56:21
  here. I don't worry.
• 1:56:22
  We'll get to it in a second because we still have a couple
• 1:56:25
  of things before the shit hits the fan, because I love when she
• 1:56:28
  says in this pity party. With the cousin there, she says.
• 1:56:32
  But look at me, I'm not a man or a woman.
• 1:56:35
  I'm too scared to tell him. And that's something that the
• 1:56:41
  cousin brings up later when shit hits the fan and people are
• 1:56:44
  trying to reconcile the two of them by saying what they know of
• 1:56:47
  the story. And the cousin says she doesn't
• 1:56:50
  even know who she is. There you go.
• 1:56:54
  And it's like, that's really profound, That's really deep.
• 1:56:58
  She's very young. And she's been put in a box for
• 1:57:02
  her whole life, which is you're not good enough.
• 1:57:06
  You don't look the right part to be a woman.
• 1:57:09
  You're not feminine presenting. And so you're just going to get
• 1:57:12
  put in the box of you're a boy, we're going to consider you a
• 1:57:16
  man. And it's this whole complexity
• 1:57:21
  of not being wanted. Of not knowing how to be a
• 1:57:25
  woman. What is femininity can is she
• 1:57:27
  still a woman even though she's dressing like this and acting
• 1:57:30
  like this and has these jobs and all this stuff?
• 1:57:32
  It's very interesting. I have a question.
• 1:57:35
  Yeah. So she was a tomboy with her
• 1:57:39
  dad, right? You see that sequence of of her
• 1:57:43
  playing with her dad and her dad playing with her as if he's a
• 1:57:46
  son or she's a son. But when she grows older, is
• 1:57:51
  she? Forced into this box that she's
• 1:57:57
  in, I think so in order to be able to provide for.
• 1:58:00
  Her family, I think it's a little bit of both that she's
• 1:58:03
  comfortable wearing these clothes and with the short hair,
• 1:58:07
  that's fine. Maybe she's comfortable not
• 1:58:10
  wearing makeup. That's totally fine.
• 1:58:11
  But I also think it's that she was forced into it to provide
• 1:58:15
  for her family and to. Provide for her family.
• 1:58:17
  Patriarchal stand in for her dad who died early and now she has
• 1:58:22
  to provide for her family. So absolutely, it's a little bit
• 1:58:25
  of both to me. It's it's it's really a
• 1:58:28
  conversation on society. Oh yeah, for me because.
• 1:58:34
  Back then, you may be working at a cafe, or you may be like a bar
• 1:58:39
  host or a waitress. You cannot excuse the fact that
• 1:58:44
  she had very little options to go with because.
• 1:58:47
  She had very little options. She was very young, in her 20s.
• 1:58:51
  She did not have a college education, she repeatedly said.
• 1:58:55
  She had no dreams, She had no talent.
• 1:58:57
  She didn't do well in school, so there's no recourse for her
• 1:59:00
  other than to do these. Dirty jobs for essentially these
• 1:59:04
  jobs that are meant for men with no education, Men who are young
• 1:59:10
  like part time, which. Probably, which probably paid
• 1:59:14
  more. Yes, which probably paid more
• 1:59:18
  than if she was saying that she's a woman and she wants
• 1:59:21
  these jobs because of the pay gap.
• 1:59:24
  It's completely unfair. It is unfair.
• 1:59:28
  So I I understand her, but I my issue with her is when she saw
• 1:59:35
  that it was getting serious. Yes, she she has gotten the same
• 1:59:41
  courage that Hangill worked through.
• 1:59:45
  Yes, to speak up, but she didn't get that courage.
• 1:59:48
  Didn't. And then we get to the kiss in
• 1:59:50
  the coffee shop, which is iconic and.
• 1:59:55
  I don't know what else to say about that.
• 1:59:58
  Because it's amazing. It's amazing.
• 2:00:00
  He comes in hot. He's like is all over her.
• 2:00:03
  And I think this is that part where and when they were
• 2:00:05
  rewatching it now closer to the present day, I think she was
• 2:00:11
  grabbing his shirt or something in that scene and I was like,
• 2:00:14
  like, that's a lot. But he says this line, I like
• 2:00:17
  you. I don't care if you're a man or
• 2:00:19
  an alien anymore. See.
• 2:00:24
  OK. It's an iconic line.
• 2:00:28
  People keep saying it in every variety show whenever the skits
• 2:00:32
  comes up. Was it necessary to say Alien?
• 2:00:38
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 2:00:41
  I get the sentiment is what he's saying, that I don't care who
• 2:00:45
  you are, you're just you and I like you.
• 2:00:47
  That's fine. To compare being in love with a
• 2:00:52
  man to being in love with an alien.
• 2:00:54
  That was a bit. Hasn't aged well at all.
• 2:00:57
  But no, it's 2007. But people still like that line.
• 2:01:04
  They like to drive. Yeah, I I'm just shocked at it.
• 2:01:07
  Yeah, I just love the kiss. That's a.
• 2:01:09
  Kiss. I just distinctly remember
• 2:01:12
  watching this kiss in 2011 or so when I first watched show and I
• 2:01:16
  was like, Oh my God, I think I I was rebound rewinding it.
• 2:01:20
  I was like, I gotta see it again.
• 2:01:21
  I gotta see it again. Yeah, it's steamy.
• 2:01:26
  It's good. It's spicy.
• 2:01:29
  Then shit hits the fan. The poser boyfriend who is my
• 2:01:34
  perfect stranger dude, He spills a beans.
• 2:01:38
  He spills a blabbermouth. He's such a blabbermouth because
• 2:01:41
  he thinks that she told him the truth when he gets to work that
• 2:01:44
  morning, but she chickens out. And then he starts talking about
• 2:01:47
  her as if Kungyu knows the truth, the intensity of that
• 2:01:53
  moment. Yo, the intensity.
• 2:01:57
  That's why I'm like, go for the best actor.
• 2:01:59
  Oh my God. And I hate her reaction.
• 2:02:03
  I do hate on Chan's reaction because she can't look him in
• 2:02:06
  the eye, which fine, I feel like that's a cultural thing that
• 2:02:09
  like if you are at fault, if you are, you know, have a lower
• 2:02:13
  position, if you're sorry, you don't make eye contact with
• 2:02:16
  somebody. That's rude.
• 2:02:18
  Yeah, so fine, she doesn't look him in the eye, but then she
• 2:02:21
  doesn't say anything. She's so ashamed that she
• 2:02:26
  doesn't say anything. She doesn't offer any
• 2:02:27
  explanation. She doesn't say I'm sorry, even
• 2:02:30
  he's got nothing to go off of. And again he goes AWOL.
• 2:02:33
  He goes driving down the street, thinking back on all the moments
• 2:02:37
  they've had together and how he should have seen it coming that
• 2:02:40
  she was a girl the whole time. And that's his bad, because you
• 2:02:45
  should have challenged your thoughts.
• 2:02:47
  You should have heard her when she first said.
• 2:02:51
  Her I D and started with two. But no.
• 2:02:54
  You're like it's a you know what?
• 2:02:57
  He had every right to be angry. He.
• 2:02:59
  Did have every right to be angry, I feel, And his world
• 2:03:03
  came crashing down in a very key drama fashion.
• 2:03:06
  But I love his line when he's talking to the cousin later,
• 2:03:10
  because the cousin knew the whole time he got mad that the
• 2:03:12
  cousin was lying to him too, feeding into the ruse.
• 2:03:17
  And Kony says, will the world end if I find out she's a girl?
• 2:03:23
  And I'm like, he got points. He's got points, OK?
• 2:03:30
  He says to her later. Tell me this isn't true.
• 2:03:32
  Tell me you didn't lie to me for months.
• 2:03:34
  You don't do that to someone you love.
• 2:03:41
  OK, I'm going to watch this again when we finish because
• 2:03:44
  those lies. Impactful.
• 2:03:47
  I hope you do one of those posts that you do.
• 2:03:50
  With like with the lines, the quotes.
• 2:03:52
  Yeah, with the quotes, because it's impactful.
• 2:03:55
  I'll do it. I'll do it, don't worry.
• 2:03:56
  But he, I mean, they talk to that each other scattered
• 2:04:01
  throughout the episode, because of course, they're just angsty
• 2:04:04
  and upset, and he has every right to be, he says later.
• 2:04:08
  You were selfish. You didn't care what I was going
• 2:04:11
  through. You didn't tell me, even when I
• 2:04:13
  told you that I like you, even though you're a guy.
• 2:04:17
  So I love that he hits on the the selfishness of her, not
• 2:04:22
  telling him that he she didn't consider how he'd feel.
• 2:04:28
  And then he does it like this is inexcusable.
• 2:04:31
  But he, like comes on her and they have this aggressive kiss
• 2:04:34
  in the coffee house. And then he pulls away and says
• 2:04:37
  I like you better as a man. That was that.
• 2:04:41
  That was the moment. That was the moment for me,
• 2:04:46
  because I told you I was in a very special space.
• 2:04:50
  That was the moment where I decided that no matter how angry
• 2:04:56
  I am, I will not intentionally hurt someone.
• 2:05:01
  And I've lived by that, like, forever.
• 2:05:06
  And so there was a moment in my life where.
• 2:05:09
  My dad did that to me and I remember having a panic attack
• 2:05:14
  because I was like, you did not need my dad and my sister shout
• 2:05:20
  out to my sister. I love her but and my dad,
• 2:05:24
  sorry, but I was like, you don't need to intentionally hurt
• 2:05:30
  people the way you know it would hurt them the most.
• 2:05:34
  Right. And I could not forgive that
• 2:05:36
  moment. Yeah, it's very.
• 2:05:41
  Below the belt, very below the belt.
• 2:05:44
  For him to do that. And then he says what do we have
• 2:05:46
  now? Do we have trust?
• 2:05:48
  You don't know what I gave up in my life to have you.
• 2:05:50
  You've been weighing your choices because you didn't want
• 2:05:53
  to get hurt. Oh my gosh.
• 2:05:56
  Vulnerability. Fuck yeah.
• 2:06:00
  It's so much. It's so much.
• 2:06:03
  But they make up, they get over it.
• 2:06:06
  They get through it. They.
• 2:06:08
  You know, reconcile. And then we get a bunch of
• 2:06:11
  episodes where they're together and it's very sweet, even
• 2:06:15
  sweeter than the other episodes that came before it.
• 2:06:18
  They're very giddy with each other, especially him.
• 2:06:20
  I feel like Kong, Yu's character, is just smitten with
• 2:06:25
  her. Anytime he sees her, he's just
• 2:06:27
  like, like, it's so cute to see them.
• 2:06:32
  And then we get those final episodes.
• 2:06:34
  Where is he? Or is he not going to go back to
• 2:06:36
  New York? Let me just say.
• 2:06:38
  New York has been a problem in K dramas since Time Immemorium.
• 2:06:44
  OK, this is not a business proposal.
• 2:06:46
  Recent thing. He goes to New York and leaves
• 2:06:49
  her and there's a time jump. No baby like New York was a
• 2:06:52
  threat since the early 2000s. It's always been in the ether.
• 2:06:58
  And he ends up deciding, deciding not to go back to New
• 2:07:01
  York and design toys. Because he's found new meaning
• 2:07:09
  to life. He just found new, meaning new
• 2:07:12
  fulfillment in what he's doing at the coffee shop, which is.
• 2:07:15
  That's the word. Really interesting concept to
• 2:07:18
  give up on a dream because you found a new one.
• 2:07:21
  Yes, Yeah. Yes.
• 2:07:24
  Oh, my gosh. OK, random.
• 2:07:27
  I was talking about men that I admire.
• 2:07:31
  And why I admire them. And the common thread was one of
• 2:07:36
  these points where you have one dream and you're just like, you
• 2:07:40
  know what, I'm going to lay it down and go after this one
• 2:07:43
  because I I love that. I'm like, ooh, let's put that on
• 2:07:48
  my vision board. Let's go.
• 2:07:50
  I mean, we're leaving out the fact that he is enamored with on
• 2:07:54
  time and wants to stay with her, doesn't want to do long distance
• 2:07:56
  or break up. True but.
• 2:08:01
  Does he need to design toys anymore to feel something?
• 2:08:04
  No. No, Yeah.
• 2:08:06
  No. I was devastated when he tells
• 2:08:11
  the grandmother and the family that Unchan is actually a girl
• 2:08:14
  and that they're dating. And their reaction?
• 2:08:17
  The reaction? From grandma.
• 2:08:19
  From grandma was shocked. Fair, but grandma was vicious.
• 2:08:24
  Oh my gosh. So one of the worst blowout
• 2:08:28
  reactions, and it hurts and so much.
• 2:08:30
  I mean, it hurt me and I'm just a casual audience member
• 2:08:35
  watching this after the fact, but it was very sad.
• 2:08:43
  Oh my God. But then you two and the cousin
• 2:08:46
  who have had their ups and downs, they're back together,
• 2:08:48
  She gets pregnant and then she proposes to to him that they get
• 2:08:56
  married. Well, he proposed to her and she
• 2:09:01
  was noncommittal, you know, with the, I don't know, cheese stick
• 2:09:06
  or whatever it was. And then she comes back and
• 2:09:10
  proposes to him, and that was beautiful.
• 2:09:13
  I know the girlies were up in a bunch about it, but it was.
• 2:09:19
  I think mean the girlies were up in a bunch.
• 2:09:22
  They hated that scene. They're like, why should a girl,
• 2:09:25
  Why should a girl propose? It should always be the guy.
• 2:09:30
  And OK. Babes, So my thing is the the
• 2:09:35
  show is groundbreaking in all kinds of ways.
• 2:09:37
  So many ways. And they had set up earlier that
• 2:09:41
  her character doesn't want to get married.
• 2:09:43
  She's not about that life. She's a free spirit, whatever
• 2:09:45
  the hell. And.
• 2:09:48
  I feel, and I've said this in another episode, I can't
• 2:09:50
  remember which one might have been searched. www.withyouthat.
• 2:09:54
  That's a deal breaker in a relationship, right?
• 2:09:58
  When one person wants to get married and the other person
• 2:10:01
  doesn't, on moral, ethical, whatever grounds that they want,
• 2:10:06
  that's a deal breaker. To me.
• 2:10:08
  That's spells the end of the relationship and the fact that
• 2:10:14
  she sort of works through it. And gets over the trauma because
• 2:10:17
  her mom's been married four times.
• 2:10:19
  And, like, it's this whole thing complex that she has about
• 2:10:23
  getting married. She plucks up the courage to
• 2:10:26
  actually propose to him. And then she knows that it's
• 2:10:29
  something that he's wanted for many years.
• 2:10:31
  Talk about being together for nine years and not getting
• 2:10:33
  married. I'm like, that was not on him.
• 2:10:35
  He would have gotten married long ago, but it was on.
• 2:10:37
  Her. That's true.
• 2:10:40
  And. You know him sort of cheating on
• 2:10:42
  her. Her definitely cheating on him.
• 2:10:44
  They've come so far and it's very good.
• 2:10:49
  I can't understand why it's it's a character development for her,
• 2:10:54
  yeah, to propose. I would.
• 2:10:57
  I would like to say it may not be a deal breaker if you find
• 2:11:02
  the right guy when you're thinking about Su young from
• 2:11:06
  Girls' Generation and her guy and who's saying.
• 2:11:10
  Him saying and interviews like I want her to have the success,
• 2:11:15
  all the success she wants, and the work she wants to do and
• 2:11:19
  whatnot. Like, yes, I'd like to get
• 2:11:21
  married, but her dreams are just as important.
• 2:11:24
  I died. Oh my God, I love that man.
• 2:11:27
  But yeah. Right.
• 2:11:28
  I think what I said on the search www.episodewasthat,
• 2:11:31
  somebody has to compromise. Yes.
• 2:11:36
  Yes, you did say that, I remember.
• 2:11:37
  That, and yeah, that's a real life compromise with that
• 2:11:41
  celebrity. That's true.
• 2:11:44
  But in the show we also see, we see him compromise.
• 2:11:49
  We see everyone compromise. Yeah.
• 2:11:51
  Which is so beautiful. Because that's very realistic,
• 2:11:56
  yeah. But Kong You's character fumbles
• 2:11:59
  a bag in the final couple of episodes because he gets
• 2:12:02
  marriage hungry. And he gets approval from his
• 2:12:08
  entire family. He convinces his whole family
• 2:12:11
  that Untine is the perfect daughterinlaw.
• 2:12:14
  The co-owner is talking, talking her up to the grandmother.
• 2:12:18
  He's like, you don't even realize what a Jemmy you have
• 2:12:20
  here because she's better than him and all this stuff.
• 2:12:24
  So he proposes to her, puts a ring on her finger.
• 2:12:28
  She thinks it's just a promise. Ring, A couple ring.
• 2:12:35
  And she assumes and talking with her little sister and stuff,
• 2:12:40
  that they would get married in 4-5 years or something.
• 2:12:45
  He's shocked, shocked because he wants to get married now, like
• 2:12:53
  in the next year. And she's all about I need to
• 2:12:56
  work on myself. I have this.
• 2:12:59
  I finally have something I want to do, something I'm good at,
• 2:13:03
  something I'm interested in, and that's becoming a great barista.
• 2:13:07
  I want to be the best barista ever.
• 2:13:09
  I want to study this. I this is my dream now and to
• 2:13:13
  provide for my family on my own terms and stuff.
• 2:13:17
  And he's over here like, I swear I'll take responsibility for
• 2:13:20
  your family. And that was something that the
• 2:13:22
  sister was bringing up to. She was like, is he going to buy
• 2:13:24
  us a house before you move to New York?
• 2:13:27
  I know. I'm like, bitch, what entitled.
• 2:13:29
  Entitled little brat. What makes you think that her
• 2:13:32
  boyfriend should buy you a house?
• 2:13:35
  It was like. Exactly.
• 2:13:37
  And Unchan says in that moment, responsibility.
• 2:13:41
  How? For how long?
• 2:13:44
  It's better not to make promises you can't keep.
• 2:13:46
  Will you live forever and never die?
• 2:13:49
  My father said he'd take responsibility for our family
• 2:13:52
  forever, but he couldn't do that.
• 2:13:55
  A person can't take responsibility over another
• 2:13:57
  person. You can only take responsibility
• 2:14:00
  for yourself, for yourself, until you can accomplish.
• 2:14:03
  Until I can accomplish things on my own, I won't marry.
• 2:14:09
  You know, I feel. The ground, I feel the ground
• 2:14:11
  shaking. I feel it shaking because this
• 2:14:15
  is so very. Amazing of them to write into
• 2:14:21
  her character, and it felt very genuine for her to have this
• 2:14:24
  pride over her life and this fierce independence.
• 2:14:28
  Of course she does. She's been doing this on her own
• 2:14:31
  since she was 16, and why should she be a kept woman?
• 2:14:35
  Why should he have to provide for her family?
• 2:14:37
  She can do it on her own and all of these things.
• 2:14:42
  I was watching with my mom and at this scene she was like.
• 2:14:48
  You see, This is why I tell you, you have to make your own money.
• 2:14:51
  Go to school, start working, make your money before you go
• 2:14:55
  and do this. Laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh.
• 2:14:58
  I laughed my head off, but it was so important, yeah, to to
• 2:15:02
  learn that. It's very important to.
• 2:15:05
  I think in today's day and age, there's so many horror stories
• 2:15:08
  of. You just don't have any skills
• 2:15:11
  to survive on your own and then you get stuck in a relationship
• 2:15:15
  that is providing for you and a lifestyle that you can't
• 2:15:18
  maintain on your own and. And knowing his behavior, oh,
• 2:15:23
  his anger issues, he can just take it away and then what?
• 2:15:28
  Right. Cuz he was threatening her with
• 2:15:29
  her job for half the show. And so she was like, uh oh,
• 2:15:33
  we're not marrying. And me just like live as your
• 2:15:36
  wife. Like I want.
• 2:15:37
  I have dreams. I want things I want to do.
• 2:15:39
  I have things I want to do. And I was like, damn mad
• 2:15:42
  respect. I'll tell you what though.
• 2:15:44
  When I first watched this in 2011, I was in a different spot
• 2:15:50
  in my life. Yes, I had a job.
• 2:15:51
  Yes, I was educated. But holy hell, I was on Kongyu's
• 2:15:55
  side during this whole thing. I was like, why isn't she
• 2:16:00
  marrying him? I don't understand why they're
• 2:16:03
  waiting. I don't understand why she wants
• 2:16:05
  to become a barista. Of all the I was like really
• 2:16:10
  upset with her not accepting the proposal right away And to like
• 2:16:17
  watching it today, I'm like, maybe I'm just.
• 2:16:19
  In a different. Place in my life.
• 2:16:21
  I'm like, absolutely fucking lutely.
• 2:16:23
  Why would she get married now? She's so young.
• 2:16:26
  She has so much she wants to do. Let her study coffee, whatever
• 2:16:30
  the fuck she wants. I don't care It it made no sense
• 2:16:34
  for him to want to marry her after three months.
• 2:16:37
  Together three months that they've known each other.
• 2:16:41
  But sometimes I feel like, did he wants to marry her or do he
• 2:16:47
  want to have sex with her because they have that scene.
• 2:16:51
  Did have that talk to me? They did have that scene where
• 2:16:57
  he's like, yeah, and we'll live in New York together and you'll
• 2:17:00
  go to Chelsea and we'll have pizza.
• 2:17:02
  And he was painting this whole picture, which is so funny
• 2:17:06
  because he was telling handsome like once you marry, you want
• 2:17:11
  that person to live according to your.
• 2:17:14
  They have that conversation. But for him, he's like, oh.
• 2:17:22
  Wait, wait, she says. Are we getting married?
• 2:17:24
  He's like, what are you saying? We have to get married before we
• 2:17:29
  live together, sleep together? So what?
• 2:17:32
  This was a little jarring for me because this goes into first of
• 2:17:38
  all, she's very naive about anything having to do with
• 2:17:41
  relationship. Anything sexual just kind of
• 2:17:43
  blows her mind and. I mean earlier when they and
• 2:17:48
  that when the second leads, the second couple announces that
• 2:17:51
  they're pregnant, She's very happy for them, but she's like,
• 2:17:55
  I wonder how they got pregnant and they're not even married.
• 2:17:59
  No, I. And I was like, so Kongyu's
• 2:18:03
  characters, like, looks at her and she's like, oh, right.
• 2:18:06
  And she's like, are you fucking for real?
• 2:18:11
  Be fucking for real. But, but, but, but, but.
• 2:18:17
  Gonyu has lived in New York. He's part of the, you know,
• 2:18:21
  cosmopolitan life, if you will. Cousin is 32.
• 2:18:26
  He ain't playing no games either.
• 2:18:28
  But culturally there was still, and I'm sure there still is this
• 2:18:35
  vibe culturally that you don't get pregnant before you're
• 2:18:38
  married. Right, right.
• 2:18:40
  And that's why, you know, celebrities have these shotgun
• 2:18:43
  weddings. And so I understand how she was
• 2:18:49
  thinking. And I watched it when I was 18,
• 2:18:51
  so I I was just on that train of what?
• 2:18:56
  You mean we're going to have sex and we're not married.
• 2:18:59
  Okay, but also how presumptive of them to be like.
• 2:19:03
  Yeah, we'll just live together in New York together.
• 2:19:05
  And they just started their relationship like, he's like,
• 2:19:10
  let's live together. We've been together for 72
• 2:19:13
  hours. Sir, I think we should take it a
• 2:19:15
  little slower because he was very quick about it and he never
• 2:19:21
  gave. He never had this conversation
• 2:19:23
  with her before about what stage are we at?
• 2:19:26
  Do you want to? Do you even want to live with
• 2:19:28
  me? He was leading the relationship,
• 2:19:31
  the girlies are looking for leaders and he was leading.
• 2:19:34
  What can you say? He was dragging her along like a
• 2:19:37
  horse behind the cart and she put the brakes on that and she
• 2:19:41
  was like, no, I wanna do the first of all.
• 2:19:45
  First of all, she was like, we're not gonna live together
• 2:19:49
  before we're married, #1 #2 sexist.
• 2:19:55
  I can't believe you just wanna have sex and then not get
• 2:19:58
  married. It was like very.
• 2:20:00
  A conservative of her. But also, I understood where she
• 2:20:03
  was coming from. I was like, yeah, yeah, I can
• 2:20:05
  kind of see why she was like, what?
• 2:20:07
  And then third of all, when she finally realizes her barista
• 2:20:10
  dream, she's like, we're not getting married before I
• 2:20:12
  complete all this stuff that I want to do.
• 2:20:15
  Yeah. So again, he was.
• 2:20:18
  And then he's like making plans without her, which got her
• 2:20:21
  really upset. Yes, she was like that.
• 2:20:25
  Was the whole thing. Yes, how can you do this to me
• 2:20:28
  without even telling me? Yeah.
• 2:20:32
  Communication, Communication. Communication.
• 2:20:34
  Communication. And he couldn't understand why
• 2:20:36
  she was so upset because to him, he's like, giving her this
• 2:20:40
  Cinderella life. Yeah.
• 2:20:42
  And she's like, I don't want to be Cinderella.
• 2:20:45
  I want to be a con Chan. Uh.
• 2:20:47
  Huh. Uh huh.
• 2:20:49
  So I think now. Back in 2011 when I watched
• 2:20:52
  watched this, I was like, she should totally just get married
• 2:20:55
  to him and they live together and that's the end of it.
• 2:20:59
  I think now I'm of two minds of it because she was so young,
• 2:21:03
  right? Just 20 something years old.
• 2:21:05
  And he's 29, almost 30. And I'm like, first of all, if a
• 2:21:11
  man wants to marry you and you love each other, just get
• 2:21:14
  married. There shouldn't be this giant
• 2:21:17
  engagement that's years long. Second of all, if you want to be
• 2:21:22
  a cap woman and not have to work and grind and hustle, more power
• 2:21:27
  to you just get that bag, sweetie.
• 2:21:29
  Like marry the man. So that's why.
• 2:21:32
  I mean, I'm like, I'm up two minds of it.
• 2:21:34
  I think generally. I was definitely supportive of
• 2:21:37
  her wanting to not get married right away and become a barista
• 2:21:41
  and all that stuff. Because she never done anything
• 2:21:44
  remotely like that. He's already studied, he's
• 2:21:46
  already been abroad. He's just more cultured than she
• 2:21:50
  is, and she doesn't have all of that experience.
• 2:21:53
  Not only that he's gotten to live life for him and she has
• 2:21:57
  lived life for her family this whole time and for the first
• 2:22:01
  time she's getting to live life for her and it it's it is her
• 2:22:07
  first relationship and her first time falling in love and.
• 2:22:12
  Like there's just so many factors like.
• 2:22:15
  Let her breathe, please. Let her breathe.
• 2:22:17
  And back then, when I was watching it, I was like,
• 2:22:20
  definitely don't get married right now.
• 2:22:22
  Oh, really? Because.
• 2:22:23
  Oh yeah, Because you can. You have an opportunity to live
• 2:22:28
  out your dreams. So do it.
• 2:22:31
  And it's nice to have someone encouraging you along the way,
• 2:22:35
  but you don't necessarily need it because it's your dream.
• 2:22:40
  Go after it like I also. Feel like in the Even when I was
• 2:22:47
  watching it initially, and even now, I feel like we have
• 2:22:50
  culturally way different stances on what a marriage entails.
• 2:22:56
  And to me, back in the day and even now, I'm like if she gets
• 2:22:59
  married, she can still study, she can still become a barista.
• 2:23:02
  It's not even a thing. But perhaps we're missing the
• 2:23:06
  part that if they get married, she's going to have to care for
• 2:23:09
  this man. This manchild is playing with.
• 2:23:11
  Legos and household, yeah. And his family and her family
• 2:23:16
  have. Responsibilities and cultural
• 2:23:18
  duties and all this. Stuff.
• 2:23:20
  She was seeing all that and she's like, I don't want to do
• 2:23:23
  that, right? Now and just get that as a I.
• 2:23:26
  Literally, yeah. I literally just finished doing
• 2:23:30
  that with my family. What are you talking about?
• 2:23:33
  And you want me to jump into it again?
• 2:23:35
  No. And that's very much the space
• 2:23:37
  I'm in personally right now. With I'm living my life.
• 2:23:41
  My kids, aka my siblings, have graduated.
• 2:23:44
  I don't have to care for them anymore.
• 2:23:46
  Da da da da. It's now about me.
• 2:23:49
  There's no way I'm going to take that responsibility, jump into
• 2:23:52
  it head first, yeah. Yeah, so a lot of context that I
• 2:23:57
  feel like we might be missing or glossing over when we say she
• 2:24:01
  should just get married or she should just wait and then get
• 2:24:03
  married, whatever the case is. Now we get a time jump of two
• 2:24:06
  years. She goes to Italy to become a
• 2:24:08
  barista and I will tell you, I remember vividly watching the
• 2:24:14
  scene and I remember this scene where she comes back.
• 2:24:18
  And and she's fam presenting. She's fed well, a little more
• 2:24:21
  fam presenting. I still don't think she's like
• 2:24:23
  not in a skirt. She's not.
• 2:24:24
  Doesn't have a full face of makeup or anything.
• 2:24:27
  That's true. She's.
• 2:24:28
  Quite a nice balance. She still have short hair, but
• 2:24:32
  it's shoulder length now. Yeah.
• 2:24:34
  You know, it's like a nice evolution of her.
• 2:24:38
  It seems like this is where she wanted to be over time.
• 2:24:42
  Not only. Yeah, I I loved that that she
• 2:24:47
  didn't come show up in a dress with heels and and all of that.
• 2:24:52
  I loved that she found her style that still speaks to her.
• 2:24:58
  And just the new way she wants to move through the world.
• 2:25:02
  If you, the glow up was real. The glow up was real, yeah.
• 2:25:06
  And the way he looked at her. Oh yeah.
• 2:25:10
  I think the only scene that we skipped was the sex scene that
• 2:25:14
  happened right before she left for Italy.
• 2:25:18
  That she. Are we talking, are we talking
• 2:25:19
  about the dream sequence or are the actual sex scene?
• 2:25:23
  No. The actual sex scene, OK, which
• 2:25:26
  they didn't show anything, I mean.
• 2:25:27
  You know, it's OK, drama, but that scene where she goes over
• 2:25:30
  to his house and he's hot and bothered, he like wants her, she
• 2:25:33
  doesn't get it. She put his hands on her and she
• 2:25:36
  freaked out. And that night or something she
• 2:25:40
  calls him and she goes over late at night and he had was like put
• 2:25:44
  the kibosh on anything coming, coming close to her and stuff
• 2:25:48
  because he wants her and she stays over intentionally.
• 2:25:52
  He's like, please leave. If you, if you don't leave right
• 2:25:57
  now, I'm not sending you home. You have your face in your hands
• 2:26:04
  because Carol, this scene is so again iconic for cock because
• 2:26:11
  she puts her little foot in, he locks her out without her shoes.
• 2:26:14
  She's like, I need my shoes. Whatever, open up and she puts
• 2:26:17
  her little foot in and she puts her head in and she makes her
• 2:26:20
  way inside And he had just warned.
• 2:26:22
  He's like, please be warned. And boom, he like got her up
• 2:26:29
  against the door. Whoa, whoa.
• 2:26:32
  When he put. Her up against the door, I was
• 2:26:33
  like, I remember screaming the first time I saw.
• 2:26:40
  Yeah, on the second watch I wasn't screaming, but the first
• 2:26:42
  time I watched it, I remember screaming.
• 2:26:44
  I've never been able to watch that scene again just because I
• 2:26:48
  can't. I can't do it because I'm just
• 2:26:50
  like. I lose my shit.
• 2:26:54
  Too many emotions, yeah. Yeah, I lost my shit and I lost
• 2:26:59
  my shit now in 2023 when I rewatched it.
• 2:27:03
  What a quality, like scene. That was a long time coming for
• 2:27:07
  this couple and all of a sudden she got so much courage.
• 2:27:11
  Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it was.
• 2:27:14
  It was really good. And you could tell like she
• 2:27:17
  didn't know what she was doing. She was like, she was like new.
• 2:27:25
  It was her first time and so he had to take leadership.
• 2:27:31
  But she just, you could see her moving according to what she was
• 2:27:36
  feeling. Yeah, it wasn't all one sided.
• 2:27:41
  I would. Say it wasn't all one sided.
• 2:27:43
  Yeah, yeah. But before we move on, we forgot
• 2:27:47
  something. One of my.
• 2:27:49
  Favorite scenes ever, oh God, ever is when he calls her and
• 2:27:58
  he's like, what are you, are you sleeping?
• 2:28:01
  And she's like, no, he's like, can you come over?
• 2:28:04
  And she goes over and she's sitting on the couch eating
• 2:28:07
  chicken and he's like, how was your day?
• 2:28:10
  And and and then she gets pissed off, like, why are you asking me
• 2:28:13
  all these things? And finally she's like, you
• 2:28:16
  weren't there. I kind of missed you.
• 2:28:18
  He's like. I missed you.
• 2:28:19
  Yeah, because he was. He was like and.
• 2:28:22
  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 2:28:26
  That whole couch sequence was the most loving thing for me.
• 2:28:33
  Top top three loving moments for me in the show because it was so
• 2:28:38
  underrated. Very common to do in real life.
• 2:28:44
  And yes, I only touched me. We were talking earlier about
• 2:28:48
  how this show was not realistic. What's realistic is them
• 2:28:53
  together. Yes.
• 2:28:55
  Their scenes together, their chemistry, the way it's so easy
• 2:28:59
  and way it's so hard sometimes for them.
• 2:29:02
  The look on Kongyu's face when he's giddy about something that
• 2:29:06
  she said. Or they're on the phone.
• 2:29:09
  And she surprises him and says, I love you, I love you, I love
• 2:29:11
  you over and over again. And he was standing on his couch
• 2:29:14
  and he like collapses. He's like because she shakes him
• 2:29:18
  up so much by saying I love you and.
• 2:29:21
  Then he decides I'm gonna be petty or pissed and he's like,
• 2:29:24
  let's not get it twisted. I love you more.
• 2:29:27
  Hang up. That shit is what's realistic
• 2:29:32
  and what's addicting to watch. Yeah.
• 2:29:36
  OK, I think I've come to the end of my notes.
• 2:29:38
  Did you have anything else you wanted to add about?
• 2:29:40
  That was the last thing I wanted to add to this.
• 2:29:44
  Is so much fun. I just want everyone to watch
• 2:29:48
  the show. I do too.
• 2:29:49
  If you haven't watched coffee prints and you've gotten this
• 2:29:51
  far and we've spoiled it for you, please just experience it
• 2:29:54
  for yourself. It is such a wonderful
• 2:29:58
  experience and despite of some of the stuff that I was harping
• 2:30:02
  on earlier, it is a top tier cave drama.
• 2:30:05
  It is. Did so well internationally and
• 2:30:09
  in Korea. Everybody loved it.
• 2:30:11
  Everybody still loves it. And just watch it.
• 2:30:15
  Just watch it. Don't let the 2007 of it, like,
• 2:30:18
  get you, get you down. Exactly.
• 2:30:23
  All right, Carol. Is there anything you'd like to
• 2:30:25
  plug before we get out of here? So I know you do K dramatics,
• 2:30:27
  you do K drama musings. Yes, please follow me on K drama
• 2:30:32
  music, K dramas, musings. OK On Instagram.
• 2:30:36
  I'm sure I'll plug it in somewhere on socials and tag.
• 2:30:41
  Jessica, Jessica, thank you so much for having me back.
• 2:30:45
  Thank you for coming on completely.
• 2:30:47
  Enjoy myself anytime. I'm chatting with you.
• 2:30:50
  I can't believe it's been 2 hours plus.
• 2:30:53
  Yes, I know. And I said before we got on that
• 2:30:55
  I'm going to cut it short. Don't worry.
• 2:30:58
  Yeah, here we are again, 2 1/2 hour episode.
• 2:31:00
  But hopefully people have have stuck around and listened to the
• 2:31:04
  whole discussion and everything that we love about the.
• 2:31:06
  Show it's it's fantastic. I'm currently hosting watch
• 2:31:11
  parties for a King of Land on Sundays, so if you would like to
• 2:31:17
  join to join. Nice.
• 2:31:19
  All right, that's it. That's our show.
• 2:31:22
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tebaki Rainbows podcast.
• 2:31:49
  On go, so let jabber jaw change and nada.
• 2:32:06
  No change, nada. You sit down here, you.
• 2:32:48
  You're so we call my while you're Edo, Kimmel, Jana again
• 2:33:04
  there is some more head job.