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Theres A Difference Between Unproven And Disproven Author And Researcher Ken Block · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: I really do laugh when people say you talk to everybody?
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Speaker 2: Good morning, Ken Block here.
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Speaker 1: Ken Block? What a man you are and what and
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Speaker 1: I do mean that because you've got the courage, the confidence,
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Speaker 1: and the know how on how to speak a language
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Speaker 1: that we're all going to learn. And I thank god
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Speaker 1: you've given us this book disproven because now I get
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Speaker 1: a better view and it's not attached to some news agency.
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Speaker 2: Now, this has nothing to do with a news agency.
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Speaker 3: This doesn't have to do with being four or against
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Speaker 3: any specific thing. What I'm talking about when it comes
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Speaker 3: to election integrity, when I'm talking about when I discuss
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Speaker 3: the work that I did for the Trump campaign to
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Speaker 3: look into whether voter fraud impacted the twenty twenty election
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Speaker 3: or not, is facts. That's all I'm doing. I'm discussing
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Speaker 3: truth and facts. And I don't think that doing that should,
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Speaker 3: under any normal circumstances, make me a hero.
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Speaker 1: Don't you think that you were pretty much speaking the street,
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Speaker 1: that you did what the rest of us have always
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Speaker 1: thought about. And it's like it took you to finally
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Speaker 1: take that step forward and say, all right, I'll look
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Speaker 1: into this where everybody else is going, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: oh my god. But we've been thinking about it for
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Speaker 1: how many decades?
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Speaker 2: Now? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what's really interesting about voter data and
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Speaker 3: our elections. You have to look at two very different
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Speaker 3: time periods. Anything before the twenty twelve election, consider it
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Speaker 3: prehistoric when it comes to election data, because we weren't
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Speaker 3: fully computerized across the content.
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Speaker 2: With our elections.
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Speaker 3: From twenty twelve and on, we were, and so what
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Speaker 3: happened before is almost not worth working talking about our
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Speaker 3: capabilities were really pretty bad. Post twenty twelve, we had
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Speaker 3: the ability to look at electronic data across the country
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Speaker 3: and you could do some really interesting things with it.
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Speaker 3: And I've been looking at this data since twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 3: and I have not ever encountered fraud defined as somebody
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Speaker 3: casting votes illegally. I have not encountered fraud that by
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Speaker 3: any stretch could be considered pervasive, lots of it, monumental, massive,
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Speaker 3: whatever the word is you want to describe it. It
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Speaker 3: wasn't there when it happens. It's an individual act, and
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Speaker 3: especially post twenty sixteen, impossible for the numbers to matter
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Speaker 3: in terms of an election.
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Speaker 1: Outcome in a very real, transparent way. Didn't you redefine
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Speaker 1: what the fraud is? Because how many times have we
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Speaker 1: been in a circle of friends and someone said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I did it, Well, why'd you do it? It was illegal?
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Speaker 1: I didn't know Johnny did it, So I did it,
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Speaker 1: and it's like nobody ever felt like it was wrong.
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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, here came this line
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Speaker 1: in the sand that said, yeah, I was wrong, and
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Speaker 1: we've got proof that it was wrong.
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Speaker 3: I think that it wasn't so much defining it as
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Speaker 3: wrong or not wrong. I think that the change really
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Speaker 3: was how easy it became to find it.
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's scary because that means if it was easy
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Speaker 1: to find it, that means it's been going on a
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Speaker 1: long time, and it's been sitting there like the edge
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Speaker 1: of a pimple, and you got to pop that monkey
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Speaker 1: and you did, you got to the root of the source.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, in twenty sixteen, there were two hundred sets
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Speaker 3: of couples man and wife or two people living in
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Speaker 3: the same household who voted together in the twenty sixteen
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Speaker 3: election in Orlando, just the city of Orlando, Florida, and
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Speaker 3: some other address in some other state in the country.
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Speaker 2: Two hundred. So that's four hundred votes in total.
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Speaker 3: Now, when you look at it that way and you
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Speaker 3: apply it to the two thousand Florida presidential race, which
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Speaker 3: was determined by five hundred and twenty seven votes, you
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Speaker 3: can make a claim that can't be proven false, that
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Speaker 3: potentially that race could have been determined or certainly influenced.
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Speaker 2: By votes that were cast illegally.
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Speaker 3: But we're never gonna know because we don't have the
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Speaker 3: electronic data necessary.
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Speaker 2: To find those votes.
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Speaker 3: Like I had just described someone voting, a couple voting
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Speaker 3: together in Orlando and some other place in some other
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Speaker 3: part of the country, you can't do that analysis. You
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Speaker 3: can only do that after twenty twelve.
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Speaker 1: Will there ever become a time when it looks like
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Speaker 1: all of these states are on the same page, the
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Speaker 1: same calendar, Because I mean, it just feels like that
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Speaker 1: every state is trying to create their own rules, and
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Speaker 1: we need people like yourself to step in there and say,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that just doesn't look right.
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Speaker 3: So what we really need, in my opinion, is every state,
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Speaker 3: per the Constitution, is responsible for the conduct of their
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Speaker 3: own elections, sir, unless Congress passes a law that defines
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Speaker 3: something that everybody has to conform to. One of the
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Speaker 3: biggest challenges that we have is every state maintains its
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Speaker 3: own voter registration system, and it is really hard to
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Speaker 3: keep that data clean. And what I mean by that
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Speaker 3: is make sure that people who are registered in your
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Speaker 3: state aren't also registered somewhere else. Removing people who have
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Speaker 3: died from the voter rules.
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Speaker 2: It's different. States do it very differently and have different
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Speaker 2: levels of success.
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Speaker 3: Some states are squeaky clean. Some states carry a whole
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Speaker 3: bunch of people who are deceased on the roles.
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Speaker 2: That's not fraud.
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Speaker 3: It's only fraud if those dead people rise from the
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Speaker 3: great and actually vote.
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Speaker 2: And when that happens, it is exceedingly rare.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So just because there are dead people on the rules,
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Speaker 3: just because in New Jersey circumstance, where they acknowledged they
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Speaker 3: made a mistake and registered six thousand people to vote
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Speaker 3: who should not have been registered to vote because they
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Speaker 3: weren't citizens. These aren't examples of fraud. This isn't the
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Speaker 3: smoking gun that says, oh, therefore twenty twenty was stolen.
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Speaker 3: It's an acknowledgment that we could do better at maintaining
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Speaker 3: the voter rules. But that's not the same thing as
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Speaker 3: Holy mackerel. This is fraud and our elections are terrible.
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Speaker 3: It's not the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. We are not finished with ken Block.
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Speaker 1: Lots more questions and in see secrets coming up next. Hey,
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Speaker 1: thanks for coming back to the conversation. The name of
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Speaker 1: the book is disproven. We are back with ken Block
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Speaker 1: being here in Charlotte. I mean, they've always asked for
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Speaker 1: my driver's license when I vote. I've never had a problem.
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Speaker 1: And that's why many times when I hear these stories
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Speaker 1: and I hear people, I'm going, what is the problem here?
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Speaker 1: At least they know it's me. And then and I
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Speaker 1: love this inside the book, a voting number that goes
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Speaker 1: with your social Security number?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, why aren't we doing that? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think it's the right thing to do, But that
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Speaker 3: also would involve ultimately a federal voter registration system, which
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Speaker 3: I think makes sense in the context of when we're
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Speaker 3: voting for president, we should probably have a nationalized database
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Speaker 3: of who's eligible to vote. The problem is the act
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Speaker 3: of voting, in the oversight of voting has become extraordinarily politicized,
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Speaker 3: and depending which parties a power in DC, you're going
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Speaker 3: to have the other side saying, oh god, you know,
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Speaker 3: the federalized elections are going to be mobilized against the
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Speaker 3: opposition party, and that's probably not a concern that's incorrect.
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Speaker 3: So it's very complicated to figure out how you come
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Speaker 3: up with something that's fair even and is designed not
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Speaker 3: to advantage one party or the other, but just to
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Speaker 3: make sure that we have the best elections that we can.
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, one of the greatest moves that
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Speaker 1: you're Probabisher put inside this book, and it really was
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Speaker 1: a great firm handshake, is when I saw Bill Barr
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Speaker 1: in there calling what you do a great service to
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Speaker 1: this country. That really calmed down my anxiety because I
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Speaker 1: was afraid to read what was in this book. But
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Speaker 1: when I saw his writing and I saw everything else
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Speaker 1: that was going on inside this book. It was like,
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Speaker 1: my god, it's first of all, why did it take
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Speaker 1: so long to even get these pages out here?
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Speaker 3: For us? Well, So the book was published in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty four, and for for me. When I did the
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Speaker 3: work in twenty twenty, probably only maybe a dozen people
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Speaker 3: in the country knew I had done the work, and.
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Speaker 2: I was happy for it to be left that way.
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Speaker 2: I was hired to do a job.
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Speaker 3: I did a job, and that should have been the
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Speaker 3: end of it.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't.
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Speaker 3: When the January sixth Committee subpoena the lawyer that I
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Speaker 3: worked for at the Trump campaign.
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Speaker 2: Which got me just getting going on writing the book.
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Speaker 2: And I wrote it because I.
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Speaker 3: Wanted to make sure that if the story was going
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Speaker 3: to come out into the public, and I believed it
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Speaker 3: would at that point, I wanted it told in my
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Speaker 3: own voice, without spin, because it would have been easy
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Speaker 3: for both sides to take the work that I had
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Speaker 3: done and spin it, and I didn't want that to happen.
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Speaker 3: And then when I received the subpoena from Jack Smith's
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Speaker 3: grand jury in DC looking into whether there were crimes
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Speaker 3: committed related to the twenty twenty election, I knew for
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Speaker 3: sure that this story was gonna break. And that was
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. I knew for sure that my
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Speaker 3: role in all of this was going to become public.
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Speaker 3: And that's when I really went at writing the book
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Speaker 3: aggressively at that point, because I knew it was just
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Speaker 3: a matter of time before it did break into the public,
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Speaker 3: and it did break into the public before I managed
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Speaker 3: to get it published.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. In a moment like that, as a broadcaster,
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Speaker 1: I would have said, holy crap, the subpoena is here.
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Speaker 1: I've got to go to the store and get myself
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Speaker 1: a new suit because if I don't look good for
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Speaker 1: those cameras because they're about ready to come and get me.
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how you had to sit there and
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Speaker 1: talk to yourself to keep walking through this storm.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a media storm, There's no
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Speaker 2: doubt about it.
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Speaker 3: Two months after I got the But, by the way,
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Speaker 3: when that story broke in the in the Post, the
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Speaker 3: Washington Post, within that two month window of when the
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Speaker 3: story broke, I'm sorry when I got the subpoena to
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Speaker 3: when the Washington Post broke the story.
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Speaker 2: Uh, immediately after the.
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Speaker 3: Post broke the story, I got a subpoena from uh
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Speaker 3: Fannie Willis's uh legal action in Georgia. And I also
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Speaker 3: got a subpoena from Ruby Freeman's free legal team who
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Speaker 3: was the election worker in Georgia who claimed that Rudy
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Speaker 3: Giuliani had defamed her and libeled her. Uh So I
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Speaker 3: consider myself a professional recipient of subpoenas now.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: And they're not fun to get, I will I will
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Speaker 3: tell you they're not fun to get.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: But all of the materials were already organized because I
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Speaker 3: was working on the book, and uh, you know, we
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Speaker 3: turned everything over as requested for Freeman's legal team. We
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Speaker 3: had nothing that that could help them, and we didn't
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Speaker 3: give them anything.
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Speaker 2: Uh. So it's say you know it is, Yes it is.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: It is a rude wake up call when you know
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Speaker 3: the storm is coming to your door. Uh.
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Speaker 2: And it did. And this was international.
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Speaker 3: I think I've been since the initial story broke and
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Speaker 3: then after the book came out. I think I've given
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Speaker 3: eight or nine interviews to German media outlets. Norway interviewed me,
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Speaker 3: obviously a whole bunch in the UK and other places,
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Speaker 3: and just about every media outlet you can name in
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Speaker 3: the United States, certainly with a national lean to it.
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Speaker 3: A very very many of them interviewed me and asked
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Speaker 3: me about this.
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Speaker 1: What you have done here is so just unbelievable in
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Speaker 1: the way of you have taken us from an area
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Speaker 1: where it was unproven to disproven, and that area that
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Speaker 1: you had to go through to get to disproven. My god,
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Speaker 1: it's right here in the book and it really does
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Speaker 1: open up our minds, and it proves to listeners as
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Speaker 1: well as readers there's a difference between unproven and disproven,
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Speaker 1: and you're showing us the way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that's a good distinction. And
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Speaker 3: to be fair, what we looked at post twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: and the one month we had from the night of
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Speaker 3: the election until all the votes were certified across the country,
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Speaker 3: you have thirty days. That's a short period of time
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Speaker 3: to do a massive amount of work. And that work
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Speaker 3: broke down into two different pieces. One was planned, one
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Speaker 3: was not. I was asked to look for evidence of
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Speaker 3: dead people. I was asked to look for evidence of
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Speaker 3: people who voted twice. That's what my contract with the
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Speaker 3: campaign required me to do. Because I had been very
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Speaker 3: diligent about setting expectations about being crystal clear that if
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Speaker 3: I found it, we'd win in court.
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Speaker 2: If I didn't find it, that was it.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's my answer, and there won't be anything
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Speaker 3: in between.
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Speaker 2: The lawyer that I.
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Speaker 3: Reported to appreciated that it elevated me in his estimation
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Speaker 3: because I'm just going to be a truth broker here.
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Speaker 3: And the day after we signed the contract, he started
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Speaker 3: sending me claims of fraud that were made from all
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Speaker 3: over the country that were pouring in to the White
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Speaker 3: House claiming different claims of fraud, and nobody had any
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Speaker 3: ability to assess whether these.
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Speaker 2: Claims were on mark or not, and they asked me to.
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Speaker 3: On top of the challenge we already had, I started
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Speaker 3: receiving very high priority. You need to answer this in
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Speaker 3: the next twenty four hours with twenty different claims of
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Speaker 3: fraud that had come in from all over the place,
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Speaker 3: and every single one of those claims that was sent
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Speaker 3: to be I was able to prove beyond a shadow
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Speaker 3: of a doubt to the legal team at the Trump
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Speaker 3: of the at the top of the twenty twenty Trump campaign.
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Speaker 3: And these weren't the lawyers that everybody has remembers and
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Speaker 3: has heard about.
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Speaker 2: These were lawyers who were paid for their work. They
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Speaker 2: were careful.
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Speaker 3: They have not suffered legal repercussions for the decisions that
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Speaker 3: they made in the actions that they took.
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Speaker 2: And you know, every one of them.
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Speaker 3: I was able to show them why it was false,
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Speaker 3: including claims brought forward by PhD college professors with some
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Speaker 3: crazily esoteric and bonkers equations that get used in like
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Speaker 3: for Wall Street trading detection problem with detection, stuff like that,
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Speaker 3: And all of these had to be answered basically yesterday
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Speaker 3: when I got them and t that was the most
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Speaker 3: important element of all of it, because to this day,
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Speaker 3: from the end of the election all the way through
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Speaker 3: to today, there must have been hundreds, many hundreds of
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Speaker 3: claims of election.
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Speaker 2: Fraud and voter fraud.
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Speaker 3: Wow, and not a single one, not a single one
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Speaker 3: of them has been proven true, not one.
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Speaker 2: That's to me the most important thing here.
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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about everything
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Speaker 1: that you're doing, Because we're about ready to go into
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Speaker 1: the mid season, so that means that you're about to
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Speaker 1: get really super dang busy again.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so.
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Speaker 3: For starters, I think having the background on what really
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Speaker 3: did happen in twenty twenty is important, Yes, sir, that
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Speaker 3: is that is in the book, and you can buy
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Speaker 3: the book on Amazon or any place that you buy books,
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Speaker 3: they can. If they don't have it on the shelf,
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Speaker 3: they can get it for you. And I think you
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Speaker 3: know that's that's certainly the first place to look. Nobody
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Speaker 3: can predict how this election is going to go, what
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Speaker 3: the claims are going to be.
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Speaker 2: If there is a really bad actor out there and.
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Speaker 3: They're prepared to unleash something brand new that we haven't
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Speaker 3: seen before, we're just gonna we're gonna have to react
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Speaker 3: to it when it happened. What I would just ask
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Speaker 3: everybody who's listening here is, regardless of what flavor politics
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Speaker 3: you appreciate, just try to keep your eye on what's
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Speaker 3: factual versus what is not. Because there's an awful lot
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Speaker 3: out there right now conversations about our elections. What happened
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty what didn't happen in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 3: which is its own.
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Speaker 2: Kind of non believable thing. Right. If twenty twenty's elections.
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Speaker 3: Were rife with fraud, where was that fraud in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty four and why did it just disappear? Nobody can
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Speaker 3: answer that question right, because there wasn't fraud in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty and there was a fraud in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: So I think keeping an open mind and trying to
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Speaker 3: sift out fact from fiction, or let me even put
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Speaker 3: it a little more bluntly, trying to determine what is
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Speaker 3: political rhetoric as opposed to factual content. I believe that's
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Speaker 3: where we really run off the rails right now. There's
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Speaker 3: a lot of political rhetoric talking about voter fraud, which
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Speaker 3: is a very, very very different thing than being told
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Speaker 3: fact about voter fraud. And that's where I think the
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Speaker 3: big disconnect is in our country right now.
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Speaker 1: God, you've got to come back to this show anytime
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Speaker 1: in the future. I love where your heart is. And man,
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Speaker 1: I just feel that vibration from a dude.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you. I'm actually crazily busy.
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Speaker 3: I'm running for governor here in Rhode Island right now.
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Speaker 2: Congratulation. Yeah, I'm running. I'm running outside the parties.
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Speaker 3: I'm running as an independent because I just I'm tired.
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Speaker 2: I'm tired of all of it.
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people across the country are
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Speaker 3: tired of all of it at this point. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to put my money where my mouth is
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Speaker 3: and trying to make a difference here.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, in our very blue state of
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Speaker 2: Rhode Island, we also have voter ID.
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Speaker 3: It works, yes, it does, and here there were efforts
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Speaker 3: to get rid of it. And you know, our legislature,
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Speaker 3: which I think is like ninety two percent Democrat, refused
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Speaker 3: to get rid of voter ID because it's working and
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Speaker 3: it doesn't cause a problem.
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Speaker 2: So I am a fan of voter ID.
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Speaker 3: I don't understand why we don't have it as a
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Speaker 3: national policy.
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Speaker 1: Totally on your team, Totally on your team. You'd be
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Speaker 1: brilliant today. All right, mister, can.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity to come
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Speaker 2: on