Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 889: Foundations - How to Scout Turkeys so That You're Always in the Game When the Season Opens
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast.
- 0:22Speaker 2: I'm your host Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all
- 0:25Speaker 2: about scouting turkeys and how if you do it right,
- 0:27Speaker 2: it can make turkey hunting almost almost too easy. This
- 0:34Speaker 2: is an extra drop. In fact, you might get a
- 0:36Speaker 2: couple of these this week since we are celebrating turkeys
- 0:38Speaker 2: here at meat Eater, which you can check out by
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- 0:48Speaker 2: you might want to vote in our turkey calling contest. Now,
- 0:51Speaker 2: I don't really care if I win, even though I
- 0:53Speaker 2: kind of think I should, But I do really want
- 0:56Speaker 2: to beat Mark Kenyon, so I'll take every vote you
- 0:59Speaker 2: guys can give me. All right, Well, I'll be talking
- 1:01Speaker 2: hunting pressure white tails tomorrow in our regularly scheduled episode
- 1:05Speaker 2: today is all about scouting turkeys, particularly early season turkeys,
- 1:09Speaker 2: and how it can make your limited time in the
- 1:10Speaker 2: field to spring but super productive. This is almost a
- 1:15Speaker 2: must if you bowhunt birds or you take newbies and
- 1:18Speaker 2: kids out, but it's also just a good idea for
- 1:20Speaker 2: anyone who just likes to run and gun with a shotgun.
- 1:22Speaker 2: So listen up, because it's time to talk turkeys. It
- 1:29Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago that I thought scouting turkeys was
- 1:32Speaker 2: pretty stupid. Well, you know what, that's not true. I
- 1:36Speaker 2: didn't really think about it at all. Growing up. We
- 1:38Speaker 2: didn't really intentionally scout turkeys, but we would go out
- 1:41Speaker 2: look for birds on places we could hunt before the season.
- 1:44Speaker 2: If we saw Tom's in a certain field, we were
- 1:46Speaker 2: pretty likely to set up there, So I guess we
- 1:48Speaker 2: scouted without acknowledging it. But we were also just running
- 1:52Speaker 2: and gunning with shotguns. So even the limited scouting time
- 1:55Speaker 2: that we did spend, you know, it really didn't play
- 1:57Speaker 2: into a lot of our hunts, because as soon as
- 1:59Speaker 2: that first gobble setounded off from somewhere, all bets were off.
- 2:03Speaker 2: It wasn't until I really got into bow hunting turkeys
- 2:06Speaker 2: that I discovered the value in scouting turkeys with intention
- 2:09Speaker 2: much more like we approached the whole deer thing. Then,
- 2:12Speaker 2: when my daughter started hunting when they were eight, I
- 2:16Speaker 2: really ramped things up because I knew they would have
- 2:18Speaker 2: limited time for the blind and limited patients when we
- 2:21Speaker 2: were in the blind, I wanted more than anything to
- 2:24Speaker 2: make sure that they had productive hunts with lots of action.
- 2:28Speaker 2: It's kind of like if you choose to take kids
- 2:29Speaker 2: on a fishing trip to someplace where the panfish are
- 2:32Speaker 2: thick and the large mouth are everywhere, versus trying to
- 2:35Speaker 2: toss oversized bucktails for pressured muskies. Now, if you want
- 2:39Speaker 2: them to catch the fishing bug, you don't want there
- 2:41Speaker 2: to be hours and hours of nothing. But you know,
- 2:44Speaker 2: monotony bow hunting birds and bringing little girls into the
- 2:48Speaker 2: Turkey woods shaped how I scout turkeys, and now it's
- 2:52Speaker 2: one of my favorite things to do. This is probably
- 2:55Speaker 2: at least partially due to the fact that the prime
- 2:58Speaker 2: scouting time is right now where in my neck of
- 3:01Speaker 2: the woods, the winter has been long and it's really
- 3:03Speaker 2: nice to get out, but also because I know it
- 3:05Speaker 2: just works really well. In fact, it's almost like cheating
- 3:09Speaker 2: if you have the time to really dial in the birds. This,
- 3:13Speaker 2: in my experience, is especially true for early season birds.
- 3:17Speaker 2: And while I know some Southern folks are already hunting,
- 3:20Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't. And even if you are,
- 3:22Speaker 2: there is something to be said about scouting while you hunt,
- 3:25Speaker 2: to form a loose plan in case you don't immediately
- 3:27Speaker 2: tag out. So let me say this, You might not
- 3:30Speaker 2: even need to do this. One of the greatest things
- 3:32Speaker 2: about some turkey hunting is that it's just a mystery
- 3:35Speaker 2: from start to finish. A few years ago I filmed
- 3:37Speaker 2: the show with Sam Soholt in Nebraska where we showed
- 3:40Speaker 2: up on a late season public land hunt where we
- 3:42Speaker 2: had lots of land roam and very few birds to target.
- 3:46Speaker 2: It was hard, really hard, but it was also a
- 3:49Speaker 2: hunt filled entirely with mystery. We didn't really know where
- 3:52Speaker 2: the birds would be, what they'd be feeding on, and
- 3:55Speaker 2: where they'd be most callable. The random tracks in the
- 3:58Speaker 2: sandy roads helped as well the open ground that allowed
- 4:01Speaker 2: for some good visibility, but mostly it was just a
- 4:03Speaker 2: blank slate kind of hunt and we got our asses kicked,
- 4:07Speaker 2: but man, it was fun. Now, if that's mostly your style,
- 4:10Speaker 2: you might not want a scout, but you probably should anyway.
- 4:13Speaker 2: And here's why. Knowing generally where birds might be throughout
- 4:17Speaker 2: the day is a good thing. When you're out there
- 4:19Speaker 2: at two in the afternoon and having heard a goblin
- 4:22Speaker 2: four hours now, I know the thought of running and
- 4:24Speaker 2: gunning all day long until you run into that suicidal
- 4:27Speaker 2: two year old is awesome. I also know that a
- 4:30Speaker 2: full day of running and gunning when the birds aren't
- 4:32Speaker 2: suicidal can be a lot to handle. Turkey onna can
- 4:35Speaker 2: be so easy, but can also feel damn near impossible,
- 4:38Speaker 2: and when it does, it's kind of like a steel
- 4:41Speaker 2: toed boot to the knackers, because well, it's supposed to
- 4:44Speaker 2: be fun. So let me start with something I like
- 4:47Speaker 2: to scout for a lot, which is rus. I've hunted
- 4:50Speaker 2: places in Minnesota, Nebraska, and Texas and a few other
- 4:53Speaker 2: states where there were just generational roofs. There were always
- 4:57Speaker 2: birds sleeping in those spots, and it's pretty amazing when
- 5:00Speaker 2: you find one. The piles of turkey poot below those
- 5:03Speaker 2: trees are incredible, and just knowing where some birds will
- 5:06Speaker 2: start and end their day is a huge advantage. But
- 5:11Speaker 2: generational roosts are kind of like big buck honey holes.
- 5:15Speaker 2: They don't exist on every property, and they aren't a
- 5:18Speaker 2: guarantee all season long. When you do find them, it's
- 5:22Speaker 2: usually several trees near some great flyoff point. But mostly
- 5:26Speaker 2: the roosting spots I find when I'm scouting are less generational,
- 5:29Speaker 2: but maybe more important. Turkeys roost in certain spots for
- 5:33Speaker 2: certain reasons. Sometimes, like with those generational roots, it's because
- 5:37Speaker 2: it's the only location around that allows them to get
- 5:39Speaker 2: on a big limb out of the wind and not
- 5:41Speaker 2: have to fly straight up to get there. In other places,
- 5:45Speaker 2: it's the right tree in the right spot for the
- 5:47Speaker 2: right conditions. Turkeys do not like roosting where the wind
- 5:50Speaker 2: can get to them all night long. Remember that, because
- 5:53Speaker 2: if you start out running and gunning on a windy morning,
- 5:56Speaker 2: especially in the early season where it might be cold,
- 5:58Speaker 2: the birds are not going to be just anywhere. They'll
- 6:02Speaker 2: be tucked in and roosted somewhere out of the wind.
- 6:05Speaker 2: This is one of the most predictable things about turkey behavior,
- 6:08Speaker 2: and knowing how to use it is a huge advantage
- 6:10Speaker 2: to us hunters. What I like to think about when
- 6:13Speaker 2: I find a roost or even a single tree that
- 6:15Speaker 2: shows some usage is not what a lot of people
- 6:18Speaker 2: typically think about sure, I like being close to a
- 6:21Speaker 2: roost when the sun rises, because well, I don't know
- 6:24Speaker 2: everybody does. But Russ trees are often tough to get
- 6:27Speaker 2: super close to, and while birds like to sleep in
- 6:29Speaker 2: them for safety and comfort, they might fly three hundred
- 6:33Speaker 2: yards off the limb in the morning to go somewhere
- 6:35Speaker 2: to catch the sun alone. Gobbler is a different story,
- 6:38Speaker 2: but good roos often don't just host one sleepy turkey
- 6:41Speaker 2: per night, and where the hens fly to, the gobblers
- 6:45Speaker 2: usually follow. I like rus for morning hunting, but not
- 6:49Speaker 2: nearly as much as I like them for evening hunts.
- 6:51Speaker 2: On a really nice day, birds often fly up after
- 6:54Speaker 2: shooting light has ended, but they will often stage up
- 6:57Speaker 2: close to that tree before that. When you glass turkeys
- 7:01Speaker 2: a lot, which is something I do quite a bit,
- 7:03Speaker 2: you see them stage up in a major way, often
- 7:07Speaker 2: quite a ways away from the actual roost. They'll strut
- 7:10Speaker 2: and feed and do turkey stuff until someone, usually a hen,
- 7:14Speaker 2: decides it's bedtime, and then all of a sudden, the
- 7:16Speaker 2: whole flock's demeanor will change. They'll all follow her lead,
- 7:20Speaker 2: and when that happens, you might as well pack up
- 7:22Speaker 2: your calls. Because the game is over for the day,
- 7:24Speaker 2: but before that moment, the birds are not only highly predictable,
- 7:27Speaker 2: but highly callable. Now, I'm filling in a lot of
- 7:31Speaker 2: blanks here because I can't actually ask turkeys why they
- 7:33Speaker 2: do this, But it seems like early season birds, even
- 7:36Speaker 2: if they are in smaller flocks, seem like they are
- 7:39Speaker 2: really looking for the right hen before bedtime. They are
- 7:42Speaker 2: just prone to running in And I have far more
- 7:45Speaker 2: predictable results hunting afternoon and evening birds than I do
- 7:48Speaker 2: birds at first light. It's like they're just primed to look. Then.
- 7:52Speaker 2: They might have had to listen to a bunch of
- 7:55Speaker 2: hens chattering all day long while those same hens ignored them.
- 8:00Speaker 2: A new lady squawking away might just be all they
- 8:02Speaker 2: need to hear. I don't know. Maybe it's partially that,
- 8:05Speaker 2: but maybe they've just put in the work strutting and
- 8:07Speaker 2: putting on a show all day and suddenly seeing your
- 8:10Speaker 2: jake decoy in a breeding posture just pisses them off.
- 8:13Speaker 2: I don't know. What I do know is if you're
- 8:15Speaker 2: in a state where you can hunt till sunset, scouting
- 8:18Speaker 2: can put you on amazing turkey action as the afternoon
- 8:21Speaker 2: gives way to evening, find the roost, find the staging area,
- 8:26Speaker 2: and get ready. This is such a good move for
- 8:29Speaker 2: bowhunting and for taking kids that don't want to get
- 8:32Speaker 2: up at three point thirty in the morning. But there's
- 8:34Speaker 2: more to scouting turkeys than russ take feeding areas. We
- 8:38Speaker 2: tend to think of fields as the ticket for turkeys.
- 8:40Speaker 2: Why wouldn't we They are highly visible, and it seems
- 8:43Speaker 2: like the solution to the problem is to get on
- 8:45Speaker 2: the edge of a field, put some decoys out, call
- 8:47Speaker 2: them in. This can absolutely work, because it does all
- 8:50Speaker 2: the time, but I don't do that for early season
- 8:54Speaker 2: birds when I know they are likely to be glued
- 8:57Speaker 2: to hens. I want to know where all of the
- 8:59Speaker 2: birds will naturally go. Again, glassing is a huge bonus
- 9:03Speaker 2: if you can do it. Where turkeys actually enter the
- 9:06Speaker 2: field and where they exit is huge, But so are
- 9:09Speaker 2: the spots along their feeding roads. I have a place
- 9:23Speaker 2: to hunt here in Minnesota that has one big field
- 9:25Speaker 2: on it, and the birds might be anywhere in that
- 9:28Speaker 2: field all winter long, but they tend to feed on
- 9:30Speaker 2: the stuff closest to the woods first. As the winter
- 9:33Speaker 2: wears on, they end up feeding closer and closer and
- 9:36Speaker 2: closer to the highway that serves as the western boundary.
- 9:39Speaker 2: This means that by the time the season is open,
- 9:42Speaker 2: the birds are often super visible, but they spend the
- 9:45Speaker 2: bulk of their time in a place that isn't really huntable,
- 9:49Speaker 2: So I have to know how they are going to
- 9:51Speaker 2: get there and where they are likely to go when
- 9:53Speaker 2: they leave. I also want to know what ambush spots
- 9:57Speaker 2: they are likely to feed by during their routes, because
- 10:00Speaker 2: they won't just sit in one location in the field.
- 10:03Speaker 2: Watching them is huge here, and it can help you
- 10:05Speaker 2: put your blind in the right spot and help you
- 10:08Speaker 2: understand when you should probably be there. This is one
- 10:11Speaker 2: of the things that I love about scouting food sources
- 10:13Speaker 2: for turkeys. They might use one cut cornfield all day,
- 10:17Speaker 2: or just in the morning before the bugs really get moving. Now.
- 10:20Speaker 2: Trail cameras are crazy good at helping you dial down
- 10:23Speaker 2: stuff like this on food sources too. But even if
- 10:25Speaker 2: you can't glass and you can't run cameras, you can
- 10:28Speaker 2: just walk the field and look for the tracks. I
- 10:30Speaker 2: love finding the spots that are not only beaten down
- 10:33Speaker 2: with turkey tracks and the telltale signs of wings dragging
- 10:36Speaker 2: as they strut, but also show me where they clearly
- 10:40Speaker 2: came into the field or they clearly walked out of it.
- 10:44Speaker 2: If I'm going to put a blind anywhere, it's going
- 10:47Speaker 2: to be near one of those spots. It's no different
- 10:49Speaker 2: from setting a deer stand up over a single trail
- 10:52Speaker 2: or on a spot where multiple trails converge. You're just
- 10:56Speaker 2: playing the odds now. Of course, turkey food sources go
- 10:59Speaker 2: way beyond the obvious fields. In the Upper Midwest. On
- 11:02Speaker 2: mild winters, we often carry over red oak acorns until
- 11:06Speaker 2: late in the winter and sometimes through the spring. Turkeys
- 11:08Speaker 2: will eat the crap out of them when there isn't
- 11:10Speaker 2: much else to eat. And if you can find a
- 11:12Speaker 2: spot like this, you have found a spot where birds
- 11:15Speaker 2: are killable, but maybe only for a short window until
- 11:18Speaker 2: things green up and the multi legged and multi wing
- 11:21Speaker 2: food sources show up. Now I've talked about this a
- 11:24Speaker 2: few times on here, but the thing that blew me
- 11:26Speaker 2: away when I started scouting late March birds up here
- 11:29Speaker 2: in central Minnesota was how much time they spend in
- 11:32Speaker 2: swamps scratching up whatever they're scratching up. I still really
- 11:35Speaker 2: kind of don't know there are some green bowlby type
- 11:38Speaker 2: of flants I find while I'm watching birds. But I
- 11:41Speaker 2: also think they might be just rooting around for snails
- 11:43Speaker 2: or maybe even leeches or something. I don't really know.
- 11:47Speaker 2: I guess the main point is I have a lot
- 11:50Speaker 2: of faith in their willingness to get their feet wet
- 11:52Speaker 2: to eat something. It has put me on quite a
- 11:55Speaker 2: few early season birds with my daughters. Now, without glassing them,
- 11:59Speaker 2: I'd have never figured that out. I don't think they
- 12:01Speaker 2: just don't leave a lot of sign in the water
- 12:03Speaker 2: to get my drift. So the question i'd ask you,
- 12:07Speaker 2: wherever you live is do you know about anything like
- 12:09Speaker 2: that with turkeys in your neighborhood? And if not, how
- 12:13Speaker 2: could you figure it out? Those here today gone to
- 12:17Speaker 2: moral food sources can be the absolute ticket to great hunts,
- 12:21Speaker 2: but not if you don't know about them. This, to
- 12:23Speaker 2: me is kind of like how you get to be
- 12:25Speaker 2: a hell of a lot better at hunting deer. Anyone
- 12:28Speaker 2: can kill a buck on a soybean field, but not
- 12:30Speaker 2: everyone can kill a buck on a soft mass pattern
- 12:33Speaker 2: that will only exist for a few days or a
- 12:35Speaker 2: few weeks. I know we generally don't take turkey hunting
- 12:39Speaker 2: as seriously as deer hunting, but learning about nature in
- 12:42Speaker 2: a way that others won't is always a net benefit
- 12:44Speaker 2: to those of us who prefer wild game on our grills.
- 12:48Speaker 2: Rouss and food are always worth looking for, but the
- 12:52Speaker 2: thing that I probably kill more birds on now than
- 12:55Speaker 2: any other feature of the woods is just travel routes. Now.
- 12:59Speaker 2: Turkeys sometimes stay around and do nothing, but that's mostly
- 13:02Speaker 2: when they are wet or cold and waiting for some sunlight. Otherwise,
- 13:05Speaker 2: they are like six month old lab puppies. They just
- 13:08Speaker 2: seem to need to be doing something. What that something
- 13:12Speaker 2: is is often just walking from one place to another
- 13:15Speaker 2: in search of food. That's it. Hens that aren't nesting
- 13:19Speaker 2: do this all day long, and when they are nesting
- 13:22Speaker 2: they still do this quite a bit. It's just their nature.
- 13:25Speaker 2: This is where boots on the ground scouting, along with
- 13:28Speaker 2: trail cameras can be onreal for figuring out exactly where
- 13:32Speaker 2: and when to hunt certain field roads or logging roads,
- 13:35Speaker 2: or anywhere that turkeys might consistently walk. Finding a bunch
- 13:39Speaker 2: of tom tracks and gopher mounds along a two track
- 13:41Speaker 2: is great, but there is nothing like dropping a trail
- 13:44Speaker 2: camera off about two feet off the ground, pointed up
- 13:47Speaker 2: a two track like that and then waiting. If you
- 13:49Speaker 2: give this a couple of weeks before you hunt, you'll
- 13:52Speaker 2: be able to tease out the patterns of your local birds.
- 13:55Speaker 2: Big time flocked up birds are insanely patternable this way,
- 13:59Speaker 2: but you'll also see jakes and toms that seem like
- 14:01Speaker 2: they are kind of randomly traveling. But if you pay
- 14:04Speaker 2: attention to the timing of their travels over enough days,
- 14:07Speaker 2: you often see that it's not really random. Even cruising toms,
- 14:12Speaker 2: which might appear to be totally unpredictable, they usually aren't.
- 14:16Speaker 2: A couple of days of data might not show this,
- 14:18Speaker 2: but a couple of weeks usually will. This has been
- 14:21Speaker 2: one of the best ways for me to put my
- 14:23Speaker 2: daughters on birds after school, because they're just windows of
- 14:26Speaker 2: time where you might have like two hours where the
- 14:28Speaker 2: birds are just going to come through. Now, you might
- 14:32Speaker 2: get that clockwork bird that shows up almost the same
- 14:34Speaker 2: time every day, but I find that it's more common
- 14:37Speaker 2: for me to plan a hunt around a window of
- 14:39Speaker 2: time like ten to noon or three to five in
- 14:41Speaker 2: the afternoon. Not only is this just a really good
- 14:44Speaker 2: way to dial in birds, but it's also really fun
- 14:47Speaker 2: to head out with the full belief that you'll have
- 14:49Speaker 2: tom swing through while you're sitting there. It helps with
- 14:53Speaker 2: the second guessing and the wanderlust that comes with impatience.
- 14:56Speaker 2: If you don't have hundreds or thousands of acres to rome,
- 14:59Speaker 2: you might not want to cover every inch of your
- 15:01Speaker 2: hunting ground. In that case, having the confidence to sit
- 15:05Speaker 2: tight and wait out some birds that should be closing
- 15:07Speaker 2: in is super important. Plus and I can't stress this enough.
- 15:11Speaker 2: If you are where turkeys expect turkeys to be, those
- 15:14Speaker 2: turkeys become more callable. Even the birds that might not
- 15:18Speaker 2: have planned to swing through that little logging road often
- 15:21Speaker 2: will if they hear calling from a place they absolutely
- 15:24Speaker 2: aren't surprised by the presence of what they believe to
- 15:26Speaker 2: be live birds. I also like this strategy for hunting
- 15:30Speaker 2: with my daughters because if they start to get a
- 15:32Speaker 2: little fidgety, I can pull up my Moultrie app and
- 15:35Speaker 2: show them all of the birds that have recently traveled through.
- 15:38Speaker 2: It's just a nice little confidence booster. But filing through
- 15:41Speaker 2: those images of strutters and cruisers in the exact spot
- 15:44Speaker 2: you're sitting just really helps out to tamp down the
- 15:48Speaker 2: doubts in the second guessing. So even if you don't
- 15:51Speaker 2: want to, or you don't think you need to scout turkeys,
- 15:54Speaker 2: you probably should, or at least you should consider it.
- 15:57Speaker 2: After all, what else do you have to do right now?
- 16:00Speaker 2: You should also come back throughout the week because I'm
- 16:02Speaker 2: going to drop some more turkey knowledge on you real soon.
- 16:07Speaker 2: That's it for this show. I'm Tony Peterson. This has
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