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Gorgeous flight attendant "disappears' off boyfriend's yacht · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: How does a beautiful young woman just seemingly vanish into
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Speaker 1: thin air or into deep blue waters? That is the
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Speaker 1: question when it comes to a beautiful former flight attendant
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Speaker 1: Psarm heslop Q operation is underway for a British former
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Speaker 1: flight attendant who vanished down in the Virgin Islands. Sarah
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Speaker 1: Heslap was sailing with her American boyfriend when she disappeared
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Speaker 1: from his yacht, leaving behind all of her belongings. The
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Speaker 1: boyfriend telling authorities that she might have fallen overboard, but
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Speaker 1: law enforcement and volunteers have found no trace of the
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Speaker 1: missing woman and their search of those waters in the coastline.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend Ansley Earhart at Fox and Friends,
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Speaker 1: and she's right, no trace of the missing woman in
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Speaker 1: the waters. I've dived those waters myself, those exact waters.
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Speaker 1: The water is crystal clear, light blue, beautiful. I understand
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Speaker 1: that the vessel The Sirens Song was moored either just
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Speaker 1: in the beyond the shallows or actually at a peer.
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Speaker 1: So where did she go? In the middle of the night?
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel, But first again, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in
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Speaker 1: series M one eleven with me Sarm's longtime friend Andrew Baldwin,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Jones, USA R Disaster Area Response Team volunteer who
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Speaker 1: is searching for her right now. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags on Amazon, host of Today with
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Speaker 1: doctor Wendy KCBQ. You can find her at Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. Renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold, you can find her at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris Buyers, former police chief
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Speaker 1: John's Creek, Georgia, twenty five years on the force, now
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Speaker 1: PI and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot com.
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Speaker 1: But first to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Ellen
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Speaker 1: Kilauren Allen, thank you for being with us. First of all,
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Speaker 1: did you tell me where it was the Sirens Song? Lord?
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Speaker 1: Was it on a pier, was it on a boardwalk?
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Speaker 1: Was it out in the water? What do we know? So?
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Speaker 1: Siren Song was moored in Frank Bay on Saint Saint
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Speaker 1: John's Island. I've seen photos of where it was, and
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Speaker 1: the immediate area is actually kind of remote. There was
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Speaker 1: only one other vessel in the water. Early that morning
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Speaker 1: that she disappeared, and it was when of a very
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Speaker 1: very dark area. You know, straight out, did you have
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Speaker 1: Jones joining us USAAR Disaster Area Response Team volunteer looking
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Speaker 1: for her right now? You know? I was told from
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Speaker 1: a source, Jeff Jones, that the evening before, another vessel
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Speaker 1: was about one hundred feet away full of people. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there were. I was initially on the scene the next
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Speaker 1: morning beginning to do scuba diving as well as Shoreline
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Speaker 1: Bay searched with small craft throughout Frank Bay. There was
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Speaker 1: that next morning. There were two vessels in that bay.
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Speaker 1: But I spoke to one captain myself who was there
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Speaker 1: the night that she went allegedly was missing. It around
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Speaker 1: two am when mister Baine noticed her done, and that
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Speaker 1: vessel was about one hundred to one hundred twenty feet
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Speaker 1: to the northwest in that same morning area in Frank Bay.
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Speaker 1: And that captain said he heard nothing, saw nothing, and
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Speaker 1: was unaware of any kind of anything unusual at all.
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Speaker 1: So what are you telling me, Jeff Jones? I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you that I spoke to the captain who was there
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Speaker 1: the night she went missing. He actually came into that
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Speaker 1: base Sunday morning and it dropped anchor about one hundred
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Speaker 1: two hundred twenty feet away from the Siren Song, and
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Speaker 1: he was there overnight on that vessel. He's also a
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Speaker 1: term charter captain with another catamaran for hire, and he
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Speaker 1: saw nothing, heard nothing, and was unaware of any unusual
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Speaker 1: foul play until the next day when the coast guards
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Speaker 1: showed up. Jeff Jones, where is this? I'm taking that
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Speaker 1: it is not at a boardwalk, It's not at a pier.
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Speaker 1: The Sirens Song is moored out in the water. How
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Speaker 1: far from shore would you say? I would say between
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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty two hundred and sixty feet And
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Speaker 1: it's just around the corner from Cruise Bay, in which
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Speaker 1: Cruise Bay is our local town. It's the population of
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Speaker 1: Cruise Bay is about two thousand from Cruise Bay, which
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Speaker 1: is the city center, so to speak, for our outand
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Speaker 1: here on Saint John it's where all the bars, restaurants, shopping,
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Speaker 1: the water sports to dive shops, everything's located at. It's
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Speaker 1: maybe a three minute walk from there, just around the
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Speaker 1: corner in another bay called Frank Bay. Hmmm, it's it
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Speaker 1: is a somewhat dark area. UM, I mean, there's not
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Speaker 1: a lot of uh, there's a few houses. There's a
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Speaker 1: small Bootook hotel probably three hundred feet from where the
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Speaker 1: Siren Song was moored and steel is currently moored. I've
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Speaker 1: been there daily doing um, you know, searches via withdrone
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Speaker 1: and using ortho mosaics to create maps above above the water.
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Speaker 1: And then also we've done gmrs and GIS creep patterned
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Speaker 1: searches throughout the water in that area. And no one
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Speaker 1: else has heard anything or saw anything that night that
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Speaker 1: I've spoken to now, Ellen klaurin Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, I understand that a dog walker heard someone
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Speaker 1: scream around one am the night the strong goes missing?
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? That is not confirmed, but that is
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Speaker 1: information that has been passed around that there was someone
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Speaker 1: walking their dog around one am. They heard sounds that
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Speaker 1: could have and screams. However, the people that I spoke
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Speaker 1: to that were on the vessel that was about one
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Speaker 1: hundred feet away that night said that they didn't hear
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Speaker 1: anything unusual. To Andrew Baldwin joining us, this is sarm
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Speaker 1: Heslop's longtime friend, Andrew. Is it pronounced salm or psalm?
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Speaker 1: He's pronounced psalm. Thank you, Okay, tell me, Andrew what
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Speaker 1: you have learned. I'm going to go back into who
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Speaker 1: Psalm is, how you have been friends for so many years,
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Speaker 1: and all about her personality, because that's important to me, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why. From what I'm learning about
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Speaker 1: her through my own research, she doesn't seem like the
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Speaker 1: person that would take off at two am, leaving behind
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Speaker 1: her passport, her cell phone, her wallet, her ID, whatever
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Speaker 1: clothes we're aboard the sirens song, So her personality is
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Speaker 1: very important to me. But let me ask you this, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: what if anything, have you learned about a dog walker
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Speaker 1: hearing a scream at one am? So we've had man
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Speaker 1: to who have heard the same reports. My understanding is
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Speaker 1: the information of those reports have been passed to the
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Speaker 1: local police and since then we haven't heard any further,
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Speaker 1: any confirmation other way about the dog walker. Well, I
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Speaker 1: understand Chris Buyers, former police chief. I understand what Ellen
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Speaker 1: Klaurin is saying. I'm a scream could have been a
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Speaker 1: shriek of laughter. It could have been someone slipping on
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Speaker 1: their vessel. We're hearing from Jeff Jones. There was another vessel, Jeff.
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Speaker 1: So there's just that one there about one hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty five feet away from the siren song Or were
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Speaker 1: there others? I know, I know one definitely is that
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Speaker 1: for positive to assure there the night because I spoke
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Speaker 1: to that cat on that vessel. We'll say that next
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Speaker 1: morning that she was reported missing and we began our
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Speaker 1: search efforts. There was another vessel. There were two more
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Speaker 1: vessels that next morning, but I can only personally confirm
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Speaker 1: of the one vessel line though, that had one captain
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Speaker 1: on it and he heard nothing, and like he stated,
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Speaker 1: you know, we are a pretty popular tourist destination. There's
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a boutique hotel, like I said, very
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Speaker 1: close to where that boat was moored up. There's villas there,
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Speaker 1: people played loud music, people party. So that makes it,
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Speaker 1: you know, pretty tough to be this descriptive of where
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Speaker 1: it may or may not have came from. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: agree climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys are talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of a beautiful young flight attendant ssarm Heslop
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Speaker 1: in the US Virgin Islands. How did her body just disappeared?
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Speaker 1: If she fell overboard, I've died there, That's it's impossible
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Speaker 1: that within just a few hours. You can't find her
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Speaker 1: in those waters. Take a listen to our very good friend,
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Speaker 1: Dana Perino at Fox Needs Listen. Investigators in the US
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Speaker 1: Version Island searching for a British woman missing for over
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Speaker 1: a week now. Sarm Heslap was last seen on her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend's yacht off the coast of Saint John's. Police say
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Speaker 1: he called to report her disappearance the next day around noon,
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Speaker 1: saying when he woke up at two am, she was
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Speaker 1: not there. The Islands Police Department tweeting this on March tenth.
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Speaker 1: Divers from various local and federal law enforcement agencies and
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Speaker 1: other citizens formed a dive search party to try to
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Speaker 1: locate forty one year old sarm Haslop, who was reported
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Speaker 1: missing on March eighth. Unfortunately, this effort proved unsuccessful, but
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Speaker 1: to Chris Buyer's former police chief joining us now at
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Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's Investigation Sam Polygraph dot Com, Chris, as I
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Speaker 1: was asking you earlier, I don't doubt, I really do
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Speaker 1: not doubt that a dog walker heard a scream when
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Speaker 1: he was walking his dog at one am. Who it
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Speaker 1: was or what it was, we don't know. Could it
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Speaker 1: have been somebody with too much to drink that night,
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Speaker 1: screaming something out or somebody fell, or somebody's laughing loudly,
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Speaker 1: or it could have been sorrom screaming. We don't know,
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Speaker 1: but Chris, very often we start a timeline and all
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Speaker 1: sorts of unusual places. I like to reference back to
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Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson double murder case where a neighbor
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Speaker 1: heard the dog Akita emit a long, plaintive howl, which
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Speaker 1: they had never heard the dog do before. And many
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Speaker 1: people start that timeline with that, Yes, it's just a dog,
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Speaker 1: but it was significant. This could very well be the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the timeline. Chris, Buyers has got to be investigated. Yeah. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: in a case like this, you have to run down
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Speaker 1: every possible lead. I like you said to said this timeline,
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Speaker 1: and it was significant enough for this dog walker to
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Speaker 1: report it. So investigators definitely need to run down that
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Speaker 1: lead as much as they You know, you run, You
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Speaker 1: take a lead, and you see where it goes, and
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Speaker 1: you run it till the endtil it means nothing. But
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Speaker 1: until you do that, it means something, and it needs
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Speaker 1: to be followed up. And again to say it hasn't
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Speaker 1: been confirmed is true, but that doesn't mean it's true.
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Speaker 1: It's untrue. Just because Chris Buyers that a journalist has
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Speaker 1: not found the dog walker and questioned them that that
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it didn't happen. Agree or disagree, absolutely, That's
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The investigators need to run down that
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Speaker 1: lead until it proves to be something or proves not
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Speaker 1: to be something. You know. Another issue. Let me go
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Speaker 1: out to Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. Hold on, Wendy, I
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Speaker 1: gotta I gotta confirm something to Ellen Kilaurian Crime on line.
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Speaker 1: The numbers, the timing is starting to become a morphous. First,
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Speaker 1: we were told that he the boyfriend um Bang first
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Speaker 1: real she was missing at two am, and then called
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Speaker 1: Kaskaran excuse me, called local police at two thirty. Now
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Speaker 1: it's slid that he woke up at two thirty. Which
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Speaker 1: one is it? Ellen? Well, Nancy, we do not have
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Speaker 1: confirmation of the exact time that he called police on
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Speaker 1: the Virgin Islands. That information that's only coming from his lawyer.
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Speaker 1: They have not provided any records to support the initial
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Speaker 1: nine one one call that he made, so we don't
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Speaker 1: have confirmation too. Okay, let me ask Jeff thirty Jeff,
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Speaker 1: what have you been told. I have been told only
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Speaker 1: through a statement put out by his lawyer that he
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Speaker 1: initially called VIPD at approximately two thirty am, and via
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Speaker 1: what I understand from his attorney is the fact that
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Speaker 1: at two thirty am when he called nine one one,
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Speaker 1: they told him to call a coast guard, which seems
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Speaker 1: a little odd to me because from my understand with
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Speaker 1: the VPD and the corresponse I've had with him, and
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Speaker 1: the coordination efforts I've had with him during our search,
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Speaker 1: they've been extremely helpful and involved and to the best
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Speaker 1: of their abilities. Now I find it odd they would
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Speaker 1: just simply say called the coastguard, and then at eleven
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Speaker 1: to forty six am, nine hours later, almost ten hours later,
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Speaker 1: he decided to call the coastguard, and seems very unusual
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Speaker 1: to me. And I think at that point he had
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Speaker 1: already retained an attorney, as I understand that correctly, as
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Speaker 1: will maybe he can incorrect on that, but I know
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Speaker 1: that he had retained an attorney in that very short
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Speaker 1: time frame thrown when Coastguard was initially alerted to her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Let's go through the timeline to Andrew Baldwin. This is
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Speaker 1: Psalm's longtime friend Andrew. What is your understanding of the
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Speaker 1: course of events that occurred that night, starting with the
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Speaker 1: two of them, Ryan Bain and Psalm your friend going
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Speaker 1: on the island for dinner and returning to the soul
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Speaker 1: of the Sirens song and around on TMPM due to
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Speaker 1: COVID restrictions. What do you understand happened? So these are
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Speaker 1: the facts that as we have them. We know that
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Speaker 1: they went for dinner in Frank's Bay that sorry, in
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Speaker 1: Cruise Bay that evening. And then the next fact is
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Speaker 1: that there was a phone call made to the local
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Speaker 1: police again believe too thirty am and then where the
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Speaker 1: advice was given to call the coast Guard and that
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Speaker 1: call happened at eleven forty six am according to the
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Speaker 1: coast Guard. Those are the Nancy. Those are the only
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Speaker 1: facts that I have. The rest is information that has
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Speaker 1: been has not been factually proven. Well you know, um,
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Speaker 1: nothing has factually proven until you go to court. And
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Speaker 1: it's my understanding that this case is not even being
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Speaker 1: treated as a criminal case as of right now. What
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Speaker 1: do we know? Ellen, that's right. The authorities in the
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Speaker 1: Virgin Island have not named Ryan Dean a suspect. They
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Speaker 1: have released very little information about the nature and the
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Speaker 1: urgency of the search now going on over two weeks.
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Speaker 1: They did say in a statement released a few days
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Speaker 1: ago that he retained a lawyer very quickly and has
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Speaker 1: not allowed a search of the vessel. Whether or not
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Speaker 1: they are obtaining a search warrant is unknown at this time.
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Speaker 1: Nancy man ahead to that hold on just to say,
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Speaker 1: who's that is that? Jeff for Andrew, This is Jeff.
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Speaker 1: On Friday afternoon, while conducting up some mission search mission
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Speaker 1: search missions via drone to develop some mapping and imaging,
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Speaker 1: spoke with two investigators who had been flown up here
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Speaker 1: from Saint Croix for the VPD and spoke with them
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Speaker 1: and I asked the Saint Croix investigator why, if it
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Speaker 1: was possible to an exigent circumstance search, and he said, yes,
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Speaker 1: it should have been done. Now. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: there's enough facts to support that, but coming from a
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Speaker 1: VPD investigator that person spoke to, he said that that
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Speaker 1: circumstances would have qualified for an excellent search and no
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Speaker 1: warrant would have been needed at the time. You know what,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Jones, you should have been a lawyer, Because you're
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Speaker 1: absolutely right, Wendy Patrick. When Jeff Jones, who's searching for
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Speaker 1: Storm right now, says a police officer told him they
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Speaker 1: should do an exigent circumstances search, they're both right. Exigent circumstances.
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Speaker 1: It's a phrase that came from a very old US
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court case US versus Carol. It's so old. It
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Speaker 1: goes back to moonshining days and prohibition where a vehicle,
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Speaker 1: a four door vehicle was getting away and the tail
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Speaker 1: was dragging, and the cotton knew it was full noonshine,
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Speaker 1: So without a warrant, pulled the car over because if
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Speaker 1: he had let the car go, the moonshiner would have
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Speaker 1: gotten rid of all the evidence, which means exigent, urgent
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Speaker 1: circumstances that they could get rid of the evidence. And
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what's being argued right now, Andy Patrick. They
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Speaker 1: don't need a search warrant where there could be potential
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Speaker 1: evidence on board the vessel and the vessel could take off. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're what they're looking at is potential destruction of evidence,
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Speaker 1: potential destruction of clues of evidentiary value, all of the above, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But you know there's also potentially public safety exceptions sometimes
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Speaker 1: also that are cited in terms of when do we
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Speaker 1: need the kind of paperwork we might otherwise be able
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Speaker 1: to get if there weren't any issues. Because here we're
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Speaker 1: talking about a disappearance. Nobody disappears, I mean, something happened
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Speaker 1: to this beautiful woman. And part of the issue about
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Speaker 1: we as it's a tourist place and there are other
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Speaker 1: people there. We're not talking Florida during spring break. There
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Speaker 1: aren't so many people that she could possibly just have
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Speaker 1: gone missing. Reminds me about seen in Sleeping with the Enemy,
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Speaker 1: where Julia Roberts supposedly bold over the side of the
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Speaker 1: boat and then it turns out she did know how
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Speaker 1: to swim. There is no evidence that this is anything
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Speaker 1: like that, which is why it is even more important
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Speaker 1: that we treat this as the exigency that it is.
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Speaker 1: She just disappeared in crystal blue waters with another boat
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Speaker 1: one hundred feet away. That is why this is such significance,
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Speaker 1: and they're trying to get the evidence. They eat Quicker
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Speaker 1: Clime stories with Nancy Grace Andrew Baldwin, a long time
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Speaker 1: friend shops Andrew she could swim correct, Oh yeah, swim
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Speaker 1: up she's she's sailed across the Atlantic. She's used to
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Speaker 1: being around boats, around water. I wouldn't call her an
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Speaker 1: expert yachtswoman, but suddenly she could handle herself on a
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Speaker 1: boat across the Atlantic. This isn't a boat across the Atlantic.
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Speaker 1: This is a boat anchored in shallow water, which makes
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Speaker 1: us even more concerned. You know about what oppened? Did
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Speaker 1: I hear somebody say she's scuba? Yes? And I will
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Speaker 1: say this too, just from my experience with search and
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Speaker 1: rescue and sweetwater search and rescue as well, what a
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Speaker 1: human being hits the water that's coherent in any way,
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Speaker 1: shape or form. As soon as they hit that water,
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Speaker 1: it's a very sobering experience, and the natural survivals instinct says,
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Speaker 1: grab a hold of something, get onto something on a rock,
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Speaker 1: a ladder, whatever it takes to get out of that water,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Jones. So not only did she scuba, she swams,
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Speaker 1: she crossed the ocean. According to Andrew Baldwin, how deep
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Speaker 1: is the water where the Sirens Song is moored? Jeff,
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Speaker 1: you know what where it's at exactly? It's probably between
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Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty feet feet, but within fifty feet it
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Speaker 1: gets into five foot of water. It's a very very
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Speaker 1: clear bay that's primarily sandy bottom with some rocks and
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Speaker 1: reef and ball but for the most part, it's a
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Speaker 1: pretty shallow bay. Most of all of our waters that
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Speaker 1: in the Caribbean are shallow. And because you tell me
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Speaker 1: the state of the water the following morning, when you
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Speaker 1: go out and start searching, is it just as clear
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Speaker 1: as I remember it? Oh? Absolutely absolutely. I mean when
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Speaker 1: we initially started began doing our grid search patterns, we
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Speaker 1: were doing small craft kind to cover the most amount
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Speaker 1: of area quickly, and we were most of that was done,
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Speaker 1: you know, visually above the water because the water is
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Speaker 1: so clear. Acted next day, when we were doing diys
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Speaker 1: in forty to fifty foot of water, we could see,
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Speaker 1: you know, visibility forty fifty ft deep easily easily. I
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Speaker 1: remember doing a ret dive not far from there and
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Speaker 1: it was you could see. I know, I had to
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Speaker 1: be able to see fifty sixty feet from where I
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Speaker 1: was when I was diving that far away. And I
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Speaker 1: just don't understand how this whole thing happened. And typically
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Speaker 1: it's my belief. Wendy Patrick, former prosecutor, Well, you have
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Speaker 1: to struggle look when you're putting together Rubik's cube, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't work. You move it around because you're doing something wrong.
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Speaker 1: This equation is not working, Wendy, right, And that's why
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Speaker 1: they have to keep going back to the beginning, exactly
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Speaker 1: as you say. You know, the timeline is the way
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Speaker 1: this case will unravel. This is the way they're going
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Speaker 1: to either prove something or not prove something. Very preliminarily,
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Speaker 1: it's not being classified as foul play. So they have
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Speaker 1: to go back and start again at the beginning. And
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Speaker 1: if they even start with new evidence of coming in,
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Speaker 1: like the fact that there was another boat so close,
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Speaker 1: unless they were dead asleep, the heaviest sleepers in the world,
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Speaker 1: they would have heard the scream that's been reported by
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Speaker 1: the dog walker. Maybe some other piece of evidence comes forward,
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Speaker 1: and then that gets either corroborated or contradicted by what
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Speaker 1: we already know. But you are correct that we just
21:52
Speaker 1: keep turning that Rubik's cube a little bit differently and
21:55
Speaker 1: then starting again back to Ellen k Laurin Crime online
21:58
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter who has managed to track down
22:02
Speaker 1: the boyfriend Ryan Bain's ex wife, Ellen, what did you
22:07
Speaker 1: learn Brian Bain has a domestic violence arrest from twenty
22:13
Speaker 1: eleven from his former wife, who has said that he
22:16
Speaker 1: was physically and verbally abusive during their marriage. Isn't it
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Speaker 1: true Ellen that she says that on their honeymoon, she
22:27
Speaker 1: became so concerned for her safety she cut the tips
22:30
Speaker 1: short and left. That's right. What she told me was
22:34
Speaker 1: that on the first days of their honeymoon, they got
22:37
Speaker 1: into an argument in an elevator and he pushed her
22:40
Speaker 1: in an elevator on their honeymoon, and then she ended
22:43
Speaker 1: up cutting it short because she didn't feel safe on
22:46
Speaker 1: an elevator. That means it was public somewhere, either a
22:53
Speaker 1: hotel or a resort. They were on an elevator, and
22:57
Speaker 1: according to her, he pushed her on the elevator and
23:01
Speaker 1: that was she said, on a couple of days after
23:05
Speaker 1: they got married. So what happened that resulted in a
23:09
Speaker 1: police report and an a wrist That was three years later.
23:13
Speaker 1: This isn't a November twenty eleven, the couple had gone
23:17
Speaker 1: to a wedding that night. They drove home early in
23:21
Speaker 1: the morning and she was driving his wife, Corey. She
23:27
Speaker 1: says that Ryan was sleeping in the car or trying
23:31
Speaker 1: to sleep. She needed some directions from him. She needed
23:34
Speaker 1: help navigating, and she was trying to get him to help,
23:36
Speaker 1: and he got very, very very upset. According to the
23:40
Speaker 1: police report, he dragged her. She told police he dragged
23:44
Speaker 1: her out of the car when they get home. Once
23:46
Speaker 1: they were inside the house, she said that he pushed
23:50
Speaker 1: her to the floor, hit her head on the floor
23:53
Speaker 1: to the point where she broke her tooth. She had
23:56
Speaker 1: a ship's tooth. When police arrived, she was bloodied and scratched.
24:01
Speaker 1: Her t shirt had been stretched around up the neck
24:04
Speaker 1: and it was and he was taken into posity. But
24:07
Speaker 1: did Jeff Jones USAAR Disaster Area or SPOTS Team volunteer
24:11
Speaker 1: looking for storm. As we speak, Jeff, tell me about
24:14
Speaker 1: the search, What, if anything have you learned? Unfortunately, everything
24:18
Speaker 1: is so far becoming, you know, unsuccessful and unfruitful. We
24:23
Speaker 1: began to search initially that the day we became aware
24:27
Speaker 1: that she went missing, that Monday afternoon. We initially the
24:31
Speaker 1: first six days spent a lot of time in small
24:35
Speaker 1: craft searching, shoreline scuba diving, snorth wing um and that's
24:41
Speaker 1: more transition to a ground search. At this time. We're
24:44
Speaker 1: now using obviously other volunteers on foot searching what's capable
24:49
Speaker 1: to be searched as far as the terrain is not
24:53
Speaker 1: necessarily the most kind in heavy heavy bush as well
24:55
Speaker 1: as a long rough reef rocks call, so we've been
24:59
Speaker 1: using dru owns. Thankfully, local professional drone pilot Andrew Peter
25:05
Speaker 1: has volunteered his time and been flying missions for us,
25:08
Speaker 1: and he volunteers with a group called Global Dirt at
25:12
Speaker 1: help dot NGEO, a disaster response team, and they've taken
25:17
Speaker 1: those maps that we've created from the drone imagery and
25:23
Speaker 1: entered into the software. It stitches all this together. It
25:24
Speaker 1: makes a very high resolution map, and then that was
25:27
Speaker 1: shared with amongst his colleagues and associates for analyzing and
25:32
Speaker 1: then also provided two VPD for further analysis. So far,
25:37
Speaker 1: we've found nothing. We found no evidence of anything, not
25:41
Speaker 1: a clothing, not shoes, not a not an unusual broken twig.
25:46
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been pretty extensive so far and continue
25:49
Speaker 1: to be because we want to exhaust all efforts to
25:51
Speaker 1: make sure the issue is here, that we find her.
25:54
Speaker 1: Jeff Jones, let me ask you a question. Is it
25:57
Speaker 1: confirmed other than by the boyfriend Ryan Bain, that they
26:01
Speaker 1: went on land for dinner the night before. Has that
26:04
Speaker 1: they confirmed, Yes, there are uh, some of her friends
26:09
Speaker 1: at that were at a local establishment. Um. I believe
26:13
Speaker 1: they've confirmed it to Andrew Baldwin as well, that they
26:16
Speaker 1: were on land. Um. So the way it works is
26:19
Speaker 1: Frank Bay is probably a three to five minute dinghy
26:22
Speaker 1: ride UM from the Dingey Dock and Cruise Bay, So
26:27
Speaker 1: they would have gotten off the boat, taken the Daney's,
26:29
Speaker 1: a small tender came around the corner and the Cruise Bay,
26:32
Speaker 1: tied up the dinghy dock and walking into town. You
26:35
Speaker 1: mean they use their own He had a dinghy yep, yep, yep,
26:39
Speaker 1: so he used their own dan yep, yep. And can
26:41
Speaker 1: you tell me the name of the restaurant? Uh? You
26:43
Speaker 1: know what? I believe they were at? Four twenty dis
26:46
Speaker 1: Center is my understanding. Twenty four twenty dis Center. It's
26:50
Speaker 1: named after a bunch of Boston folks who Finway Park.
26:54
Speaker 1: I think it's four twenty two centers the distance to
26:56
Speaker 1: center field four twenty two center. I believe leave and
27:01
Speaker 1: I may if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that
27:04
Speaker 1: is the last establishment they were seen at together. So
27:08
Speaker 1: Jeff Jones, there would have been witnesses it sarre there.
27:11
Speaker 1: How was there anybody Jeff Jones that saw her back
27:14
Speaker 1: on board the Sirens Song that night after dinner Only
27:19
Speaker 1: mister Bain as far as I know, and that would
27:22
Speaker 1: have been based on his reports to the police and
27:24
Speaker 1: to his call as the costard. Interesting. Interesting, Jeff Jones,
27:29
Speaker 1: What if anything, can you do now? Keep searching, not
27:32
Speaker 1: give up, Keep keep exposing this story and getting all
27:35
Speaker 1: the attention we can, and hope that someone comes forward
27:38
Speaker 1: to saw something, that heard something, that knows something, create
27:40
Speaker 1: awareness that this is going on and we need to
27:43
Speaker 1: stop this. This has to find some kind of resolution
27:47
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. Jeff Jones. Have you seen Ryan Bain?
27:51
Speaker 1: Have you laid eyes on him? I have not. I
27:53
Speaker 1: have not. I'm very curious about yep, I have. I've
27:58
Speaker 1: never met him. I don't know him uniquely. One of
28:02
Speaker 1: his lawyer's initial statements they put out was that he
28:09
Speaker 1: that he was assisting search efforts. But I've been involved
28:12
Speaker 1: every day and I've yet to see him anyway, shape
28:14
Speaker 1: or for him. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we
28:30
Speaker 1: are talking about the disappearance of a beautiful young former
28:34
Speaker 1: flight attendant last scene having dinner there at the US
28:41
Speaker 1: at the US Virgin Islands, we believe she went back
28:44
Speaker 1: to a vessel with her boyfriend with me Jeff Jones,
28:47
Speaker 1: Disaster area response teams searching for her, to Andrew Baldwin,
28:51
Speaker 1: her longtime friend. Andrew, what if anything have you and
28:56
Speaker 1: your team who's also helping to look for her found
29:00
Speaker 1: out about the night she went on land and had dinner.
29:04
Speaker 1: And so we know, as Jeff says, and whist I'm
29:06
Speaker 1: talking about Jeff, I want to say thank you to
29:09
Speaker 1: Jeff and all the local responders that the man Jeff
29:13
Speaker 1: Jones is someone that's coming to our lives and provided
29:17
Speaker 1: us a lot of information and a lot of support,
29:19
Speaker 1: and we owe that man a lot. So whilst whilst
29:21
Speaker 1: we're here, I want to say than to Jeff what
29:24
Speaker 1: we obviously know that they were seeing having dinner, and then,
29:28
Speaker 1: as Jeff previously said, the next the next confirmed time
29:32
Speaker 1: is two thirty am. Between the time they were seeing
29:35
Speaker 1: dinner and two thirty am, we're not clear on what
29:39
Speaker 1: happened apart from the reports in the media from mister Bain.
29:43
Speaker 1: Jeff m just a question from that restaurant for twenty
29:49
Speaker 1: A Center to where Ryan Bain had his Dinghy park.
29:54
Speaker 1: Did anybody see her get in that dinghy? Again, I
30:00
Speaker 1: confirm that, And again I'm not sure that was the
30:02
Speaker 1: restaurant they were I was told that was one of
30:04
Speaker 1: the last places they were seeing. Um, and Andrew may
30:07
Speaker 1: confirm that with his mutual friends. Again, I don't know
30:10
Speaker 1: the edither party involved, just simply offering the volunteer search efforts.
30:15
Speaker 1: M bat Meaning said, Um, I cannot confirm that anyone
30:19
Speaker 1: saw them, you know, depart the cruise babding doc hated
30:23
Speaker 1: towards their vessel with siren song. Gotcha, Andrew Baldwin, Is
30:27
Speaker 1: that the restaurant? From what I understand, you absolutely that's
30:29
Speaker 1: the name of the restaurant. And to doctor Angela Arnold
30:31
Speaker 1: Psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, you know
30:34
Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking. I want to find out was
30:37
Speaker 1: she drinking, was the boyfriend drinking? Were they angry with
30:40
Speaker 1: each other? Had there been an argument? I'm only going
30:43
Speaker 1: to find that out if you go to the restaurant
30:46
Speaker 1: and speak to the people there that were there that night,
30:48
Speaker 1: if that's the correct restaurant, Because that matters, Doctor Angie,
30:51
Speaker 1: it does, it does, Nancy, it is well known that
30:55
Speaker 1: heavy alcohol consumption increases the risk of violence. And I'll
31:01
Speaker 1: tell you something, Nancy, I am in listening to all
31:04
Speaker 1: of us. I'm actually I'm actually very curious about how
31:07
Speaker 1: these two met. We keep calling them boyfriend and girlfriend,
31:11
Speaker 1: but how long have they been together? How did they meet?
31:14
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in knowing some of them. Well, I
31:16
Speaker 1: think I've got just the guy for you, Andrew Baldwin.
31:19
Speaker 1: This is Starms, a long time friend. I understand that
31:21
Speaker 1: they met on tender Yeah, they met the UK in
31:27
Speaker 1: kind of late twenty nineteen and sailed across the Atlantic
31:32
Speaker 1: with some friends and arrived in the Caribbean kind of
31:36
Speaker 1: in early twenty twenty, and then because of the pandemic
31:40
Speaker 1: obviously kind of got stock on their journey. They were
31:42
Speaker 1: originally going to try and sail as far as they
31:44
Speaker 1: could around the world, and it was around about the
31:47
Speaker 1: end of July when they first met. And from what
31:50
Speaker 1: I've done in my own investigation, it seems to me,
31:53
Speaker 1: Andrew Baldwin, that the boyfriend, Ryan at Maine, forty four
31:57
Speaker 1: years old, has the Siren Song. It's a luxury yacht
32:02
Speaker 1: cost about seven hundred thousand dollars and he takes parties,
32:08
Speaker 1: groups of people out and about in the waters to sightsee,
32:12
Speaker 1: maybe dive, maybe snorkel, and he always has a mate
32:17
Speaker 1: basically a woman that does the cooking. That's what that is.
32:21
Speaker 1: And is that what Storm was doing? What she was, Yeah,
32:26
Speaker 1: I mean they she joined just joined him at the
32:33
Speaker 1: end of the middle of February and was working kind
32:37
Speaker 1: of and living on the boat. So so yeah, I'm
32:40
Speaker 1: not entirely sure what she was what she was actually
32:43
Speaker 1: doing every day, but yeah, that's similar to what I understanding.
32:45
Speaker 1: So it's my understanding. Also, Andrew Baldwin, Storm's a longtime
32:49
Speaker 1: friend that you guys have been in touch with the
32:51
Speaker 1: Governor of the Virgin Islands, Albert Bryan. What for and
32:55
Speaker 1: what did you learn? So we have been in touch
32:57
Speaker 1: with the authority of all the time the family have
32:59
Speaker 1: been in touch authorities in the Virgin Islands, and you know,
33:03
Speaker 1: he thanked them for their support and importantly Nancy keep
33:07
Speaker 1: asking for their support. Number one, to find PSALM. That's
33:11
Speaker 1: our primary objective. And number two, you know, as you said,
33:15
Speaker 1: we need to understand what happened. We need to understand
33:19
Speaker 1: this timeline that makes absolutely no sense to you and
33:23
Speaker 1: to us. As her friend and her family of this
33:26
Speaker 1: missing time, particularly between the call that help us two
33:29
Speaker 1: to the police and the coast guard eleven forty six
33:33
Speaker 1: in the morning. That the timeline confused us and we
33:37
Speaker 1: want some clarity around that. Yeah, like a ten hour delay.
33:41
Speaker 1: At first it was stated that he noticed sarm was
33:43
Speaker 1: missing when he has alarm sounded. He was coming at
33:47
Speaker 1: least from his mooring around two am. Then it somehow
33:52
Speaker 1: has slid to two thirty am, and that he called
33:57
Speaker 1: the local police. They told we call a coast guard,
34:00
Speaker 1: and he waited until noon, almost noon to call the coastguard.
34:04
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten at katc Ssarr
34:10
Speaker 1: moved to the VII in January to go sailing and
34:12
Speaker 1: essentially live with her boyfriend because she's so well traveled.
34:16
Speaker 1: Taylor was shocked to hear of her disappearance. See my
34:19
Speaker 1: initial was, what do you mean, what do you mean
34:22
Speaker 1: she's missing? She can't be missing, she says. Heslop is
34:26
Speaker 1: around five foot seven inches Flynn. She's very athletic, looks
34:30
Speaker 1: hiking walking, so she's quite fit. Tattoo on her shoulder
34:37
Speaker 1: flowers and the seahorse, and she's got a small star
34:40
Speaker 1: just under her eye as well. After Jeff Jones joining
34:45
Speaker 1: us conducting a search right now for SARM, how would
34:50
Speaker 1: the sirens song have become unmoored. That would be a
34:53
Speaker 1: good question, and that's one of the reasons I think
34:55
Speaker 1: it's paramount that we would be able to get a
34:58
Speaker 1: forensic team on that vessel. You know, the thing is
35:02
Speaker 1: the way it was the anchor alarm which supposedly alerted him.
35:06
Speaker 1: You know that at two ams will woke him up
35:09
Speaker 1: and when he noticed farm was gone. But that alarm
35:14
Speaker 1: operates off GPS satellites. I know, flying the drone in
35:17
Speaker 1: that area directly above the vessel, we picked up eighteen
35:21
Speaker 1: satellites that we were connected to four GIS searches in
35:24
Speaker 1: our grid pattern search, So there's many many satellites that
35:27
Speaker 1: would have pained off of which leads a footprint. A
35:30
Speaker 1: team of experts in fringes can go inside that NAV
35:32
Speaker 1: system as well as that anchor alarm system, pull up
35:36
Speaker 1: any kind of alerts that were saving to the SD
35:38
Speaker 1: card or onto the hardware itself. Wow, you just read
35:43
Speaker 1: my mind because I've been wondering. I know a little
35:46
Speaker 1: bit about vessels, but obviously not as much as you
35:49
Speaker 1: if when an alarm light that goes off if it
35:52
Speaker 1: leaves a digital footprint, and you just answered me that yes,
35:56
Speaker 1: it would. I'd like to know what time that alarm
35:59
Speaker 1: went off it went off. That said about this chain
36:03
Speaker 1: of events, But we're not going to learn anything without
36:06
Speaker 1: a search warrant. Andrew Baldwin Baldwin's Arms a long time friend.
36:10
Speaker 1: Are you surprised that vessel has not been searched, much
36:14
Speaker 1: less the digital footprint? Yeah, I mean that's the last
36:17
Speaker 1: place she was seeing. That's the last place. And you know,
36:19
Speaker 1: and I know it's different we're in the UK and
36:22
Speaker 1: then you're in the US, but you know, you start
36:25
Speaker 1: at the place number one. Place number one in the
36:26
Speaker 1: place you have reported to disappear from is the boat.
36:30
Speaker 1: So we're just ask him too that that's where he's
36:33
Speaker 1: looked and a fingertip searched by the police, and we
36:36
Speaker 1: just really struggle to understand why why that's not being permitted,
36:40
Speaker 1: why that's not being allowed to happen, because that is
36:42
Speaker 1: the place she is reported to have gone missing from.
36:45
Speaker 1: So clearly that's where you start. I'm struggling with it too.
36:49
Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, it is the US Virgin Islands I
36:54
Speaker 1: assume search warrants work the same way there as they
36:57
Speaker 1: do here, right along with exegen circumstance that Jeff Jones
37:00
Speaker 1: brought up. Yeah, no, that's true, Nancy. And as we
37:03
Speaker 1: talk more about this, I always wonder what's going on
37:06
Speaker 1: behind the scenes in terms of maybe there's an issue
37:08
Speaker 1: of compromising an ongoing investigation, especially because he has a lawyer.
37:12
Speaker 1: Now you are there other factors that we don't know about.
37:16
Speaker 1: Andrew Baldwin has provided us with such amazing information. Everyone
37:20
Speaker 1: needs a friend like Andrew Baldwin, And I would also
37:23
Speaker 1: say volunteers like Jeff Jones and their community. But between
37:25
Speaker 1: the two of them, even they've supplied a lot of
37:28
Speaker 1: the evidence that we're hoping that law enforcement also has
37:32
Speaker 1: and is working with in determining do we need to
37:34
Speaker 1: wait for a warrant or can we just go in
37:36
Speaker 1: now the time has passed? Why? And I would even
37:39
Speaker 1: extend that to the interviewing of the other patrons at
37:42
Speaker 1: the restaurant to see, as Angie says, did they see
37:46
Speaker 1: here or remember anything that would shed some light on
37:49
Speaker 1: whether there was drinking was it didn't end up being
37:51
Speaker 1: a drowning, which caper back to why didn't they find her?
37:54
Speaker 1: But yes, it is curious and I'm hopeful we'll get
37:57
Speaker 1: more information that will help us recognize why we don't
38:00
Speaker 1: have a search want yet. It's my understanding they have
38:02
Speaker 1: the same justice system that we do, hence the US
38:07
Speaker 1: Virgin Islands US VII. Ellen Kilauren, what can you tell
38:10
Speaker 1: me about the resolution or adjudication of this guy's previous
38:14
Speaker 1: attack on his wife and they're now divorced? He was,
38:17
Speaker 1: he pleaded guilty and went to jail for twenty one days.
38:20
Speaker 1: So this isn't just an arrest, this is a conviction.
38:24
Speaker 1: He pled guilty and in jail time twenty one days. Okay,
38:28
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Angela Arnold, with all the cases I
38:32
Speaker 1: prosecuted and all the nights I worked at the Battered
38:34
Speaker 1: Women's Center in Atlanta, I learned a lot based on
38:38
Speaker 1: what Ellen Kilaurin is being told by his previous wife,
38:41
Speaker 1: Corey Stevenson. There were many attacks, a lot of verbal abuse,
38:48
Speaker 1: a lot of physical abuse, but she called the cops
38:51
Speaker 1: this one time. What do you make of that, Angela? Well,
38:54
Speaker 1: it leads up to that. It builds up and I'll
38:56
Speaker 1: tell you something else I make of this. Nancy A
39:01
Speaker 1: tiger doesn't change his stripes. And what worries me so
39:05
Speaker 1: much for this young woman is that she met him
39:07
Speaker 1: on a dating app then they were then they were
39:11
Speaker 1: secluded because of COVID. So nobody I'm not hearing any
39:16
Speaker 1: words about how their relationship had progressed over the last year.
39:21
Speaker 1: We don't know anything about their relationship. Then she's then
39:25
Speaker 1: she's all by herself on a boat with this man
39:27
Speaker 1: for God only knows how long. Nobody knows what was
39:30
Speaker 1: going on with the squirrel Andrew Baldwin, I know you
39:33
Speaker 1: can hear, doctor Angela Arnold, what if anything had she
39:36
Speaker 1: said about her relationship with Urbane All the conversations that
39:40
Speaker 1: she'd have with friends was that she was happy. She'd
39:45
Speaker 1: obviously flown back from more back to go back to
39:49
Speaker 1: to the boat and to be with him. So and
39:53
Speaker 1: the last kind of conversations I had with her, which
39:56
Speaker 1: were buy message just as she arrived in the US
39:58
Speaker 1: Virgin Island, was was that she was happy and happy
40:01
Speaker 1: to be there. There were no issues or anything that's
40:04
Speaker 1: been raised, and we want to be clear on that.
40:05
Speaker 1: We're not. This is us, you know, being really clear
40:08
Speaker 1: on what's happened to our friend This is not about
40:10
Speaker 1: us pointing any suspicion. This is about us being clear.
40:13
Speaker 1: We want to know where our friend is and we
40:15
Speaker 1: want to know what's happened to her. That's our number
40:17
Speaker 1: one focus. Andrew Baldwin. We all do. We wait as
40:25
Speaker 1: justice unfalls to Applyne eight hundred two two two chips
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Speaker 1: T I P S. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend