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Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro: Paulie Malignaggi · Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up? Brings you here? I'm trying to want
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: to keep my I'm trying to keep my figure, trying
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: to keep the old figures because you never know who
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: gets the call kind of goal you get. What are
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: you doing in town? Man? I got to actually work
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: a b KB fight tomorrow and this weekend actually Saturday night,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Victor A. T's is coming back fighting bear Knunckle with
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  Speaker 1: b k B. I'm doing the commentating over there. It's
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: actually obviously I don't know. So I fought to b
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  Speaker 1: k B fights on the pace year of Bean Nuncle.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of boxes doning to transition over there, and
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  Speaker 1: I work with the company, so I fought with them.
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  Speaker 1: Uh I go for them. Your It wasn't with Dave Feldman.
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  Speaker 1: Uh No, it was with Mike Basquez and Dot of
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  Speaker 1: five thousand there. So they do bare knuckle too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: b k it's basically the rival company. And but b
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  Speaker 1: k B is starting to make a big push this year.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, they had me signed fighting now they
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  Speaker 1: signed Victor with tease on this card on Saturday. They
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: got three local of big name boxers. They got Victors,
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  Speaker 1: he's the main event. They got Alfredo Angulo is also
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  Speaker 1: on the under card. He fought Canelo and Jojo Diaz.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Diaz also on this card, and of course several
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  Speaker 1: other fights. You know, But so how many bare knuckle
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  Speaker 1: fights have you had? You've had three?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I had three? Yeah, I had to. I had what
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  Speaker 1: would k three years ago. Then I you know, I
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: took a little hiatus, and then then I've been commentating
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: sitting ring side for these shows, and I'm like, and
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  Speaker 1: I can still do this, you know, And it's like
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  Speaker 1: I was also gaining some weight. I need an excuse
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  Speaker 1: to get back in shape. Point I was like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I think I could do this. So I
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  Speaker 1: got my started training and got myself back in shape.
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  Speaker 1: I ended up signing the first one with BKB and
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  Speaker 1: then for a good fight. It was actually one fight
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  Speaker 1: of the night for that night, and I won the
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  Speaker 1: fight and I got the title fight and title fighter
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  Speaker 1: came up short. But again three round fights, they're actually
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  Speaker 1: five round fights, but a title fighter six rounds schedule
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  Speaker 1: get a lot of knockouts, especially in the trygon because
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  Speaker 1: the KB is known for the trygun, and those fights
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  Speaker 1: really in tights, and a lot of them end up
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  Speaker 1: going totally. The fight I saw you with Autumn was
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  Speaker 1: it was that was a BKC. That was a fire
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  Speaker 1: round fight. Yeah, that was fire a round like two minutes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at that time was two minutes. BKB does three minute rounds,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a little heavier. But to come to California,
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  Speaker 1: this is our first show in California. To get off
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  Speaker 1: show in California, we had to go to the two
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  Speaker 1: minute rounds. So just for this Saturday night, BKB is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be two minute rounds. But usually b KB does
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  Speaker 1: three minute rounds, but in order, it was the only
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  Speaker 1: way we could pay get passed in California, and we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to bring the brand to California as well.
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  Speaker 2: So did you have you like, did you get more
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  Speaker 2: comfortable after the Autumn fight or you got better?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what it is. I felt like the
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  Speaker 1: first I felt like every fight I was learning because
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had hand problems in my past as
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  Speaker 1: a boxer, so I had to learn the way to
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  Speaker 1: the proper way to punch for band knuckle to where
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  Speaker 1: I'm not turning over shots and hurt my hands. So
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  Speaker 1: I felt like the second fight I did, when the
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  Speaker 1: one I won would BKB. I felt like that was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more. I brought a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: the knowledge of whether way I was turning my punches.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't break my hand. My hands hurt, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't break it. Then there last fight, I've learned that
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: I got to learn a little bit more because I
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: was I got caught up in the clinch. And then
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  Speaker 1: these are a lot of the m A guys. They
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  Speaker 1: come from the clinch game, and in a triangle especially,
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  Speaker 1: which is really small, it's hard to get away from
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  Speaker 1: the clinch, and so they chance, what are they doing
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  Speaker 1: to clinch? They can hold in hands, so it's basically
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: dirty boxing. You can grab it them and do it
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, And then and me guys are
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  Speaker 1: good at that stuff. So you know, I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit of space, maybe my boxing off
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  Speaker 1: sets it. But the try gun is really advantageous to
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  Speaker 1: a guy in the clinch because it's so small. It's
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  Speaker 1: not BKC where it's big. It's so small that I
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  Speaker 1: think the the m A guys will have a real
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  Speaker 1: advantage wrestle at all. Have the wrestle not a bit.
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  Speaker 1: And then, but you know what, when I was in
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  Speaker 1: the in the fight and I was in that clinch
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, these little shots are catching me.
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  Speaker 1: And then I wasn't big punches, but I was like, man,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I needed to learn some wrestling. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're in there like this is this is
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  Speaker 1: now what I what I signed up for. I was
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  Speaker 1: like signing up for another big violin fight like I
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  Speaker 1: had with Tyler good John in the first fight would
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  Speaker 1: be KB and this pike was just like a little
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  Speaker 1: little tabs of it. Then he ended up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: busting my rhythm. And then I did get caught. He
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  Speaker 1: called me it was a good shot. I watched highlights
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: of the stop what was this? And he's a strongest
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  Speaker 1: fight and this guy was what's his name? This is
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  Speaker 1: this guy's a champion? Yeah, this guy was the champion.
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  Speaker 1: The guy beat good John had been champion who became
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  Speaker 1: in the past. But good did you get a scar something? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: These scars are these cars are from the good John fight.
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  Speaker 1: This was actually some punches and I had one too.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's the thing when you cut a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more. I actually took more damage in a good
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: John fight than I took it a d fight because
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: the fight ended. So how do you feel with these
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: bare knuckle fighter some pizza? Yea you like it? Yeah? Yeah,
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: I already I already polished off one slight so we
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: got the like the naughty punt then a grandma, Right,
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: what do you think when you eat the pizza? Does
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  Speaker 1: it make it feel? I always feel gooding pizza man.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: He is one of my favorite foods. I'm Italian bro
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: right blame people always ask me, was the New York the
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  Speaker 1: best pizza? California? Good pizza, Florida Zza? Listen to make
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  Speaker 1: good pizza. You make good pizza. I get a New
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  Speaker 1: York as a reputation, but it's some good good spots
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  Speaker 1: in Californian too, had drin straight. Yeah this the first toime. No,
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: you've had it? Where at Pritty Street pretty in New York?
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  Speaker 1: Did he just same owners? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it makes sense that it makes sense
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  Speaker 2: to the pizza will be good and Frank and me too.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: I'm part of the part of the mafia. Nowizza mafia.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get any idea. It's the pizza Mava. It's a
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  Speaker 1: true story. My pizza manth this the Susans.
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  Speaker 2: Those guys remember that you heard that story, right, I
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: have a friend who whatever, he's Sicilian, and he has
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  Speaker 2: hit some ties to that I do want to bring up,
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: like I do want to talk about McGregor because you know,
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: I kind of had a thing for McGregor.
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  Speaker 1: I know you you can't stand him, but the truth
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: of the matter is you beefed with Autumn over McGregor.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: Now all of them don't even talk to McGregor. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's such a weird thing, right because
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: for all this boys I've told people, I was like,
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: when you when you're a good person, your people to
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  Speaker 1: stick with you. You know, eventually, if you're a bad person,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna lose all those connection stuff pizza to you
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  Speaker 1: know what I used to think, I tell you, you
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  Speaker 1: could tell me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I used to think that he likes you, deep down,
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  Speaker 2: he likes you. And I mean maybe you know him
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  Speaker 2: better than me, or you're onto him, how fake he
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  Speaker 2: is or whatever. I've always been kind of fascinated by
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  Speaker 2: him because.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's the character. He's a character. But there's
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  Speaker 1: a there's a there's a price to pay, there's a
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  Speaker 1: all all kidding aside, Well, you know, if you read
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  Speaker 1: a person, you read a person. He's a malicious person,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I hate to say it, like
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: he's he's not a good person, Like he's looking like
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: he was always like that was the money in the
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  Speaker 1: from when from when I only met him, when I
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  Speaker 1: met him from them, when I met him, he was
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  Speaker 1: all he was like that already. I could read him.
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  Speaker 1: I could read he was very fake. I could read
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  Speaker 1: he puts on a show. But I could also read
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  Speaker 1: it was always about him. I could see that he
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: was had the superiority like complex, Yeah, very narcissistic. I
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  Speaker 1: could read him, probably almost instantly, the way he walked
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: into the gym the first time I ever saw him,
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  Speaker 1: and when he walked to the gym where there's really
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  Speaker 1: no show to give, like I'm an ex world champion,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just me and you for the first time. We're
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: about to spot off. The first I didn't like he
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  Speaker 1: like he was already on TV, Like you were like
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  Speaker 1: this is if you act like this twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 1: You're too self conscious about your image, Like you got
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  Speaker 1: to be able to be comfortable around your people and
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  Speaker 1: let that in your guard. Did you guys have have a.
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  Speaker 2: Real conversation like he when you showed.
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  Speaker 1: The only real conversation I had with him. I remember
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  Speaker 1: one time one of the days we were there because
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: I was I trained there like a week total, right
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: right between the two times I was there. I was
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  Speaker 1: there because I had to go back and then come
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  Speaker 1: back again. We had one real conversation, and I remember
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: when it was a normal conversation between two guys in
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  Speaker 1: the dress room after we were training, and he was
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  Speaker 1: I go to him because I remember I were I
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  Speaker 1: went to an amateur boxing trip in Dublin, Island when
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  Speaker 1: I was seventeen, you know, and I had heard he
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: trained in Crumblin, Gin where he learned to box. That's
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  Speaker 1: a famous gym, Crumbling Gym. Yeah, and Crumblin was where
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  Speaker 1: I was training the week I was in Dublin when
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  Speaker 1: I was seventeen years old, and I competed it, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember there was little kids in the gym, so
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: I remember asking, I was like, Knna, were you in
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  Speaker 1: Crumblin gym because it was kids there? Were you one
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  Speaker 1: of those little kids? And maybe I saw that week
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: because kinda would have been nine, ten years old the time,
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: you know, when I was seventeen, you know, Okay, And
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  Speaker 1: he told me now he goes, like, my background is
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  Speaker 1: actually karate. People talk about them my background is boxing.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: He goes, my background is not boxing, it's karate, which
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: made sense because then I realized why his stance was
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: the way it was. It's very up high stage. If
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: you're boxing, If you're boxing, your background boxing some of
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: your background, you can understand how to stand. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: understand how to stand inside of boxing. He was always
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: way too high, you know. But from karate, that's the
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: perspective you get, right. So it made when we told
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  Speaker 1: me that, I'm like, I'm like, oh shoot, you know
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: what makes sense that he would tell me that karate's
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: his background. So you know, it was like I felt
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: like he was being It was like one of the
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: only real times I was around him where he just
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: gave me a real answer. You know, he could have
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: lied and said no, no, I was my boxing background.
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  Speaker 1: He actually just was real, you know, even though everybody
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: said his boxing was boxing was in his background and
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: says sell the Mayweather fight, he was like, now boxing
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  Speaker 1: is not my background. Karate's my background. So I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: so that was the only inkling of illness I ever
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: got from that one little conversation and that was the
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: rest of the time. He was always a show. It
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: was always this.
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  Speaker 2: And so then when you were sparring, when you guys
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: you know, were going through the sparing in the ring,
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, was it was he like
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: another fighter that was like, yeah, it.
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: Was whatever he talk crap, We're just fine. I have
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: spared a lot of talk crap, so that didn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the sparring was and it was meant to
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: be intense. He wasn't in quality as some of the
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: other intense sparring I've had, but I wasn't in the
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: shape I used to be in either, So you were
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: it was you know, it was work, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like mentality wise, it wasn't any different. Like he was
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  Speaker 1: throwing what he was knowing I was doing when I
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: was throwing. It wasn't different. It was maybe lesser level
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: because again I wasn't in great shape and he's not
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  Speaker 1: as good as most of the guys I sported, so
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: it was maybe lesser level. Maybe to him, it was
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: on a level to the to the to the guys
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: he had in the gym, because I don't remember what
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: did you think of him?
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  Speaker 2: But what did you think of him when you were
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: you know, when you were training with him, like I
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: mean just from a m M a guy and he's
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: now he's trying to you know, get in there as
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: a box and fighting one of the best boxes ever.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't what did you like? What was your feeling
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: on it? I did all the bullshit. Well, I didn't
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: have really any right away. But after we sparred the
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: first time, the first time, we did eight rounds and
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: I was had just arrived and I went and I
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: basically just give him a bunch of different looks. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really throw a lot of punches. I just give
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  Speaker 1: him a bunch of different looks. So he put me
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: in for eight rounds and he put at them in
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of rounds. You know, I put the
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  Speaker 1: first time, and I didn't really give him anything but
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  Speaker 1: different looks, you know. So I know he was like
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: talking crap and I was just giving him different looks,
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  Speaker 1: just just basically given the looks that I thought Floyd
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  Speaker 1: would give. But I wasn't really active and that sparring,
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: you know, so again I had to get myself in
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit of shape too. So but I remember,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: like even not troubled him a bit, you know, and
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: I and I remember that was the first conclusion I
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: drew was this is a multimillion dollar, multi hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: million dollar fights. It's like a waste of time. Like
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, I can't believe the whole
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: world is mind into this fight. Like right, I just
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: showed up out of shape and like just gave him
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of different looks and he was confused by them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how was he ever going to fight Floyd? You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was like, how, well, how we
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: how are we ever going to sell this one? Hundreds
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: of millions of dollars? Well, he knew how he's gonna
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: sell it. He was gonna he was gonna sell it
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: a different something in his mind. Yes, yeah, I mean
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: that he was. But what did you think about.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Him before the Floyd fight, before you know, all the
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: money and that.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: What did you think of him as an m M
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  Speaker 1: A fighter?
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: You know, like if he beat although then he beat Eddie,
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, what did you I mean when he was
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: at the top of his game, he won his second belt.
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: I know even fight could be but what did you
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: think of him?
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, did you think he was.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: You might if you just stayed with the UFC, If
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: you would have just done that dedicated, do you think
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: he would have had a better career.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't have been so short lived. I
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: tell you this, balls are not something that you're gonna
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: just have or not. I know what you're having. Din't
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: never had any good balls for me. Was right even
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: in the Ads fight before the Mayweather fight. When so
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: when he got off quit in the in this in
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: the first eight fight. Well, and what I mean by
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: quitting is I think I may fans mister Turbot when
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: I say quit, because the don't understand what quitting is.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: That you gotta dumb it down a little bit. Friends,
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: friends on the same way he talks. I mean you
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: think you think he gassed out? But was he a quitter?
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: Is he a quitter? Your books?
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: Like before I even met him, I know he turned
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: around and gave him his back record and then and.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: I before that he went down. He's the one who
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: took the fight to the ground. And that's a fight
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: where you know, between the two of you, your chance
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: to beat this guys if you keep you standing up,
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: if you go to the ground, that's his advent that
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: you know you're you're out of your element once you're
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: on the ground against an ads The fact that it
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: was him and not DZ theos because DZ he called
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: ideas what you want, He's willing to suffer.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: He will.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: He's wanting to just go if if you just agree, okay,
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go mon o monal today and not go
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: to the ground Nates, they'll be like, okay, I can
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: choke you off, but you know what, we'll go mine
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: old mono, Like Connor knew that, you know, so Connor
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: so Nate was actually on the verge of breaking him
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: down stand up, which from an eagle point of view,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: it's like, I'm going to break you at your own game,
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: you know, standing up, And Connor was on the verge
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: of breaking while standing up, which is which is makes
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: it worse. So Connor has to decide in that moment
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: it's only a round two, it's a fire round fight.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Do I suffer through this and try to get him
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: out of there? But in the process, I'm guessing how
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: so much that I might get knocked out here? Yeah,
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: I guess name or do I just go to the ground, right?
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: You go to the ground. You know you're gonna lose
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: the fight now. And not only did he go to
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: the ground, he went to the ground and instantly gave
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: his back. So he didn't go to the ground and
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: fight on the ground. He went to the ground to quit.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: So you got to read that as a fighter, so
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: he could he went. He shot in at Nate with
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: the intention already that this is gonna end, like I'm
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna quit. He turned his back and you
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: get choked. And then this is what I mean about
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: them may feins. They're not that intelligent. And when I
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: say they dumb, it's like, I'm sorry, but they really
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: are dumb because like you can see, he took the
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: fight to the ground. Then he turned his back. He
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: didn't even try to fight on the ground. He literally
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: turned his back right away. And then he knew what
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: you do, what happens, and you quit. So he want
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: that out of the fight. He was tired. Here's the
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: thing about McGregory's nacisstic. He understands the optics. He never
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: wants a highlight of him on the canvas knocked out.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: And if you notice, he went out of his way
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: to always avoid that he go and get his ass whooped.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: Because Nate des that's why he goes. He goes to
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: the ground against Floyd. He's tired, he wants out of
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: the fight. What does he do? And I told people
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: he's gonna quit in this fight instead of instead of
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: fighting his way through the difficulty, he stops throwing punches.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: For the last sixty to ninety seconds at a fight, he's
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: just he didn't throw another If you look at the
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: end of the Floyd fight, he just stopped punching. So
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: at a certain point, even if you don't go down,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: because his whole his whole thing was make sure there's
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: no optics of floid on top of me while I'm down.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: That was the only thing. It's about image and branding
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: to him. So if you look the last sixty ninety
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: seconds in the Floyd fight, he just doesn't throw a punch.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: You force the referee to eventually stop it. You have
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: the referee has no choice. Then you can complain about, oh,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I could have continued, because now it's over, You're not
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: getting your assholf. You could play the game, and you
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: know your fans are dumb enough to believe it, you know,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: but in reality. But in reality, in reality, it was
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: all pre planned already. Like if I if he's don't
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: he played the way he was gonna lose, you know
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: what I mean, he plans he couldn't. He couldn't afford
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: to branding an image wise beyond the canvas and Floyd
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: just on top of them like that. He always avoided
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: that kind of image. If you look at it, there's
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: not a single image of Connor like that, So you
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: know there's it's Connor getting choked out by Kabeban and Nate.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: But I will say this, he did take a little
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: bit of a beating him.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Could be you know what I mean, he was on
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: the ground and was covering up, but I mean he
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: got beat I mean he got beat up pretty round
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: and I gonna be I mean that one punch like
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: changed the whole fight, Like every time McGregor was.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Gonna bounce him could be batches if you want to punch.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: The fight's never to say it's funny because and anything
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: overhand hits hits can him. Yeah, and he winds up
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: being that good. Well he's too high, yeah high, so
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: anything why hits him? And that's what could be dropped
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: him with and I realized that ins sparring too. All
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: the straight shots. He's a bit better at defending white shots.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: You can see with all of the use he's up high.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: He's up high.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you got him, when when he was coming
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: through at the McGregor Mayweather, you know that whole circus,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: when you approached.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Audio and then him, that face off was like yeah,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: one viral viral. Yeah, it was so because it was real.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And then the cop came and You're like, I'm a fighter,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I'm a fighter. And he was like, what's the matter,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: what's the matter, what's the matter of party matter?
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: It was really funny.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: And then you were like, you know, you posted and
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I don't want to and you know he wanted to go,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I know. And then you were like, you know, you know,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: no balls, bring your balls, bring your whatever. But I'm like, say,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: like he's got one fight left, Like say, what does
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: that interest you?
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I mean you against McGregor. And I've always said that
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: should be the way. I've always said, I've always said,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: and Connor would always avoid this at all costs because
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: here's again, branding wise. You can challenge Floyd to boxing,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: you can challenge Kabiban MMA even if you lose, the
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: fan fans will always know how you fought the best.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Why he can lose. You know he lost with me.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: The image and branding that he posted was that he
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: beat me up when it wasn't even close to that.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: So now if we fight and that was me out
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: of shape, let alone what I would do to mention?
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: If we fight and I beat him from pillar to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: post in a boxing match, it's going to destroy his
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: image because now all his fans will turn on him
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: because now they'll know what you did lie. You know
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: what I mean? If you if you watch me and
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Connor for three rounds I forget about, you'll know he
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: was lying. Uncle bear Uncle, possibly, but I probably am
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: angling more towards boxing at this point, you know what
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like I think at this point, you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: that was where we we had the disagreement. That's where
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: we had the beef. All of them was whether how
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: good of a boxer he was, which he sought as
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a boxer, but you know not that he No, they are.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I explained to you that I already realized that after
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the first sparting, I couldn't believe it was gonna be
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: a multi So you would just say that he's not
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: he's I would always demand if it would come to
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: the table, it would have to be win to take all.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: It would have to be when to take off when, Yeah,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: he would have to be that way. Well, that's the
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: only way I would do. It would have to be
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: winner take all. And I know no commission allows want
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to take all, so we could do like the winner
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: gets the millions and lose it has like a fifty
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars like consolation price. You know. That way. It's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: not winner take all because no commission will accept the
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: want to take open. But that's the only way I
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: would do it, because it has to be that he
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: has to wind up with nothing on the fight. He
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: has to be in batteries from pill with a both.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: That's the only way I would do it. Otherwise otherwise
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: it's not worth it to me. I'm forty five years old,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I don'd rather fight somebody else who's got balls.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And fights and whatever. You know, just just that. I mean,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: have you guys had to sit down? Have you had
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: of course pants since that all that stuff. No, it's
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: just that the optics of you guys would be what
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: do you make of this?
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The other night. I mean, I listen, I was like,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect. I don't know what
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to expect.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: All I could tell you is from my eyes, there
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: was something severely I don't I don't know about the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: whole leg conspiracy.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: There was something off about his face. He didn't want
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: to be in there blowing kisses. It was no wrong
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: because a weird shit. And then just arbitrarily, I don't
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: think he wanted to fight, really wanted, But so why
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: do it? Why? And when you don't need money for
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the money, money and the glory of the moment, but
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: what moment you tn it? Your legacy tell you what
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't wan legacy? One of my astagers always said he
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about his legacy no more. It's I think
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: this way. I think the problem is he took it
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: a little too far. He was always cognizant even if
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he was gonna take a loss, like I said, he
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: would go it against Floyd or against a beaf, So
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: it's always excusable with your legacy. I think he took
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it a little bit too far. I don't know if
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it's greed or if it's ego greed for more money,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: even though you have a lot of money, because let's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: face one, even one of my it's managers once told
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: me there's no such thing as extra money, you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: because life is always expensive, right. So I don't know
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: if he went that route where he was too greedy,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: where he eventually cost himself his own image by continuing
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to do it when he really shouldn't have, ever couldn't
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: have in the end, I was. I explained it like
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: this on my own page, on my poll's TV page.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: If balls are something you have or you don't have,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna have. You're not gonna You're not gonna
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: just suddenly be given them. So you either had them
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: from the start or you didn't have your bill start.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Cause you can have physical talent and not bulls. Like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: there's guys that are like that too. Some guys go
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: pretty far on the physical talent, but when it comes
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: down when they get pressed. Would you call him a punk, Yeah,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he's a physically talented punk. Yeah, he's a physically talented punk.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Physically talented punk, yeah, because he's physically talented enough to
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: get to a certain level, but he can actually has
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: he actually has great potential because of the physical talent, right,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: but because he has no balls, he never get there.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But there's no balls because you still need balls in
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a fight. It's true. So because eventually at a high level,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: people are gonna press that. You know, they're gonna they're
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: gonna piss that about you. You're gonna have to show
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that because fighting at a high level means you have
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to und the same how to be uncomfortable. And he
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: never really like I never really came to.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Terms with that guy was making a comparison to then
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I said, not we loved Duran when Duran quit whatever,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: But Duran redeemed himself.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: He came also with Duran, Barkley with Duran. It's also
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: excusable because the Latinos have this Machiese momentality. And Duran
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: when he tells you, no, it wasn't that I was quitting.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I was. I got like a chasing him. He wasn't
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: fighting me with any bulls. You know why you believe
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: him because Latinos versta will have that fight right here,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: They had that right and then Durang, like you said,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: shows it and the other fight he keeps back and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: wins a bunch of fights. So when Duran says, I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: quit because I got tired of chasing him. You actually
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, you know what, that makes sense. It's crazy.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, but I understand it won't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: when you're because you're scared and was quitting because you're scared,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: like Cogregor.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But I don't think he well, I think that fight
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: was too soon. There was something weird about that fight.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: That second fight was made with Connor because like Duran
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: had a good no, no.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: No, Duran. I'm told you Duran was not scared. Duran was,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: but he had said but he shown himself. Yeah, but
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: again came back with dur But that what I'm saying
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is the psychology of the quit in Duran and the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: psychology to quit and most other guys, including McGregor, is different.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: The psychology of the quit in Durrain is like I said,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Drain said, I got tired of chasing him, like so,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and because Latinos have this machies more culture, you believe
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: him because you're like because you see with the body
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: of work after the body of work, after it tells
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you this tale, like because when the Rain came back
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: after and showed balls and a lot of fights and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: won big fights. So you're looking at it and you're like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. He didn't quit because he was scared
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and they wanted to take a beat. He quit because
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: he was He told me he thought Leonard wasn't fighting
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: with bulls, like you know, this is not I don't
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't eat this shift and heed like what he did.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And he was like because he didn't expect people to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: criticize the way he did.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: But as opposed to McGregor and any most anybody else
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that quits, it's they're scared to get their rest worked,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like they don't want they tired of me, they don't
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: want to get the rest work, they don't want to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: be this come comfort. It's it's a different quit. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the Rain was a very unique quit. And his body
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of work shows that as opposed to McGregor, wh I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: told you, I told everybody before they realized that this
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: guy had no balls. I could see it in the gym.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Lady's guy had no balls so once once and if
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you look at it, at that point, he's at the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: highest So now he's expected to compete at the highest level.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: At the highest level, he was never gonna last because
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: he had no bulls. Right at the lower level, you
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: can win on your physical talent, because he had physical
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: town a higher levels. Now I knew that people were
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: gonna eventually realize I had no bulls because he was
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: going to be forced to compete at high level. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: at a high level he was you were going to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You were matching physical for physical pretty evenly until it
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: comes down to mental stability, you know. And he and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he kept getting beat after that, he kept getting because
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: he has no bulls, you know. And so I mean,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I feel vindicated. But like I said,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I can read the psychology of a fighter, and I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: agreed that I'm from Brooklyn. Agreed the psychology of a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: person pretty well, and I'm a fighter. I agreed the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: psychology of a fighter pretty well. And this guy ticked
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: all the boxes of having no bulls to me, you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And like I said, I had
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a pre already premeditated idea about him because I had
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: already seen the Daz fight when I met him, and yes,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: fight told me something about it. This guy might be.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It was. I wasn't surely convinced yet, but I was like,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: this guy might be.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy might and he almost you know, he
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: got through it that second fight, but better than then
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the second body.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: It was the way he finished it, It was the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: way he ran around. It was like you were willing
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to take a chance on losing that fight too. It
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: didn't matter to you anymore. Like it. Maybe they'll give
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it to you, maybe they won't give you because round five
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is kind of iffy right there. You gotta what you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: might need it, you might not need it. He took
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a chance and said I don't need it and might
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like that to do to make that decision. Again, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: gotta question your bulls.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Well the other guys that is a tougher guy, yes, but.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: You'd ultimately CS and strong and a close fight is
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: important and you know that as a fighter, you know
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So the BacT that he made that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: decision and then took his chance on the cards. He
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: didn't show any balls. And the rematch either, people may like, oh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: just because he went the rounds. Like again, you got
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to understand, you gotta have bolls. Understand what having bulls means.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: So anybody defending the second dyes, but it has no
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: balls themselves, because you got to understand what having bulls means,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't say just because you wanted.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: To, if he had balls, if kind of had balls,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: he actually would be he could have been I think, yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: it couldn't he would have been.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: He would have been one of the greats. Instead, right
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: now he'll be one of the greats for the groopies
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: who think he's worship for him, but he really he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: like a cartoon character. You know, in reality he's not.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not He's not like a I mean
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like he's not like like a Bebe who you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you may not appreciate as much, but is an all
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: time great.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: You know, this guy Gage, you I don't think he
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: was gonna leave this guy Gauges.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But again, kag is a guy who was who was
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: character character built, even Halloway, but I don't really like Halloways.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Don't like it, but Halloway, Halloway is a character based guy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: You got to give him that credit. He's a character
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: but he's always been a character based character. I mean,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: like as far as when I say character based, I
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: mean willing to get in there, yeah and do what
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: they gotta. You gotta reconcile that you've seen this guy
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to pour a box. I just yeah, he said it's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: now the new age. I mean, so then you have
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to see his training change. The everybody is changing the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: little the rules a little bit in that. You know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they're making them stand up a little fast now, which
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: it reminds me. It reminds me of the Old Pride,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the old Pride. If you remember the Old Pride fights
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: back in the day, when the fights were in Japan,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: any fights, you got to stand up. It's nothing was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: going on in the ground. The roughie was standing them
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: out right away. I feel like you got to bring
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: more of that into it. You know. If you're just
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: locking on the ground and both guys arrested and both
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: guys are the stalemate on the ground, you know what,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I would look bored.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: People love staying back to like poorly one fight or two,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: like at the desk with Rogan, and.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I know, I know my element and I get it,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: but I'm.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Just saying, like, like he's a boxing guy mixed in
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: with you were it would be an interesting, fascinating I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: don't know Dane would go for it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I know I'll pitch it. I don't want to see, Okay,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I can't, you know, I'm a boxing fan first, but
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I like lost the boxing kind of lost this way
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to me, you know, just they lost the allure. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people say a lot of it
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it's just and and it sends because I loved I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: love to fight, so I was trying to get into
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that whole Canelo Terrence Crawford fight. But I knew it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I said, you know what, every time Canelo he's another one.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's a punk, but when he's fought great,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: great guys, he fought fucking me, whether he got exposed,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: he fought certain people. This guy crawt with this great
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: skill wise and he's just tough, and they dominated that
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and I said, almost a shutout.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I felt like it was a Hollywood fight when he
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: was signed. Honestly, I thought I felt like Canelo didn't
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: have a lot of hunger and even in the choice
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of a phone that he was making, and he was
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: avoiding some of the best possible opposition at this point
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: in time. Listen, there was a time with Canelo because
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: people his career, he took it. I felt like he
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: was a great fighter. But I still thinks I still
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: think it's over. I still think it's overrated because people
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: made him the star of the moment, right and because
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the popularity is But I'm not saying far as far
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: as he did have some good wins, he put some
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: tough fights. But but I will say he also calculated
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: his career very well. Like he never gave rematches, like
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: one thing people love to criticized for it. But if
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you gave a tough fight, to gave you an instant rematch,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Bloy gave instant rematches. Game if you were one of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the few rare ones to give him a tough fight.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Canelo's tough fights as soon as if he got the decision,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: which is a lot of times controversially ran the other way.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Never got a rematch. He never gave a rematch again.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: So with galockin it was a drawer with a robbers.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: He got the rematch because is gonna give you the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: rematch you and I'm sayings wants to make all the money,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: when not he's gonna give you the one. But then
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: when he got the gop and if you notice he
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: waited five years, but waited way to the guy to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: get old. He lost a golf in the second fight too.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I don't know what couple of
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Jesus got like, but you know he waited then Bunny
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: after If whenever Canlo Wild get a close decision, he'd
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: never give you a rematch. If you look at it,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you know Floyd woul get a good decision, he give
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you an instant reru So you got to keep that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: in consideration. But having said that, k a lot of
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: good fighters. He did his thing, especially at one sixty eight,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: he did his thing. He unified the super super medawaight division.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: But then at the very tail end before the crow
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: For fight, he was starting to nitpick his opponents. He
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was talking. I just started realizing, Okay, this guy don't
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: want to be here. He's just trying to sell you
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a product. But he's taking advantage of the market now,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and by doing that, he's taking advantage of boxing. That's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: why guys like you stop watching, you know what I mean,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: because you know you're taking advantage in the marketplace instead
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: of you know, nurturing your sport that you gave it,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that you owe to, because you owe the people coming
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: behind you to be to be able to earn and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: fight for the kind of big money and the kind
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of big fights that you had. But instead, when guys
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: like this take advantage of the market for their own
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: little bit of appeal at the end of their careers,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: they killed for everybody else behind them, and that's why
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I criticized them, and for me kind of on Crawford,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: it was that kind of fight. It was out of
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Hollywood fight. Canelo was a Super midaweight champion only because
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: he was able to avoid his main mandatory, which has
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: been to beata So for me, gonna fight for me, right,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: he was never good for beating Canelo is a nice
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: win over a super midiweight, Okay, so either way, it's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a nice it's over. It's still a top two minut
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: because of was probably top ten to miniweight on the list.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: But he was holding the titles hostage because because because
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: he was able, he was allowed to. So Grawford to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: me winning the super midaway titles. It's a little bit
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: tainted because that shouldn't have been the super midway champion.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: If the rules were implied, Bob Benevitez would have rgan
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: over Canelo and he would have had the title, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: then Kropor probably doesn't fight Benavidez.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: But really, it's a great Wait, it's a great win,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: but you don't your I don't want people think I'm
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: critizing corporate. It's a great win for now. No, I'm
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: not saying Canelo should not have been the champion that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: time they fought. That's all I'm saying, because Canello should
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: have been forced years before, right champion. He avoided Benavidez
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: three years, so he was never gonna fight. He's a right.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: He wasn't mandatory. He's a light heavyweight, but that was
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: his mandatory now and he is like, but that's your mandatory.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: You was both defend against him, so if you defend
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: against him, you lose the title. So Crowper winning the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: SUPERMD away titles is like a little bit positioned only
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: because Canelo was allowed to keep a sub midwaight title
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: when he shouldn't have them in the first place. You know.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: So I knew when that fight was signed it was
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be like Hollywood fan and I'd pick her off
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it the way because I knew, did you pick him? Yeah?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I picked up and I have a I was wor
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: pro box TV. You see all me he dominated, and yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't sure. Again, you're always don't shure
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: whether the guy's gonna get a decision over Cornell. It's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: kind of also gotten in bows in a lot of ways. So,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: but Corporate dominated so much that you couldn't rob me either,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you couldn't run. I felt
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: like Corporate was the better fighter. I felt that Corpora
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: should beat him. Yeah, and in reality he didn't do that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: But he's a tough guy right now. He's good. He's
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: very good, very good, very tough. What do you think,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: argued I mean, I was just bring very pizza, baby
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: print street baby. He likes it. Yeah, he likes the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: fresh fanity of him fresh.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: He likes it makes him happy, fresh base.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: He's a real Cicilian pality. You know that. He's a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: New York Cicilia and he's a Sicilian from Sicily. You
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: know he speaks Sicily, right, he speaks sicilient right. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: speak Italian and Sicilian, and it's good because you can't
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: do Interna and Sicily for Italian TV. So it's the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: thing I learned. My mother made me made me learn
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Italian too, so that I could do the interviews. And
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: when I got to when I was dealing with the media,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in Italy. Otherwise, speaking only Sicily, I wouldn't be able
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to speak to the Italian media.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I notice is like, you know, we always say, like
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: what if this guy brought that guy, but they weren't
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: that far removed. What do you think if Floyd flo
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: in his prime and and say Bud Crawford got together,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: if that fight, I think that would have been a
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: very very hard fight to judge, very interesting, tough fight.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Because a terrific fight. I mean I would have one
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of those. It's gonna be one of those fights. Yeah,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: we fence and this guy.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: We call those and that was a bad fight and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Spence was compromised.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Ye, not the same fight every once, but we call
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: those fantasy fights. I mean, that's gonna be one of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the conversations you would have won for it in his
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: prime of Cwford in his prime, you know, yeah, a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: lightweight for example, would you pick it's the half man?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It's funny this, well, how much I love Cowford. Crawford
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: is super awesome, and but it's like I also grew
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: up like being amazed by fulld. I remember watching Floyd
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and like durning my own boxing career and just being
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: amazed by him though, especially low way class. I'm just like, whoa,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: how good? And Crylford has that same amazement. But I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: feel like maybe I'm less impressionable because I'm older. Yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I was younger when I watched Floyd, so it's like
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: he made more of an impression on me. Crawford made
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: an impression on any of it. Don't get me wrong.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's not like that whoa. But yeah, if you
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: look between the lines, crufas should make that impression on
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you as well. So it's a really tough fight to jog.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wasn't like you know, Floyd was a
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: little more like you know, flashy, a little more like
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you know, Bud.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Crawford is kind.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Of like he was like understated, kind of like how
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: good he was. Even I didn't realize at the beginning.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Then I kept saying, this guy is like you talk
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: about balls, he's got big ones.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's not afraid. What I like about craw
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you mentally. I also what I like about crawfor two,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he fights out of both stances and right handed is
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: his backup stans, and he's probably better in his backup
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: stants than even most guys in the top ten and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in his backup stances, he'll be I tell you, I
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: go out on the lend. I go out on the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: might pick butt but over him. I don't know why.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not one of those questions, right,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, won't that's one of those the bakers. You
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: If you see the fight, didn't you show Leonard and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and and and and Hearns, show Duran and Leonard and
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: then Haggler. It was weird how Haggler ford Duran versus
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: he fort He he gave Duran a lot of respect
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and him Hearns. You know all time, Yeah, War War
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: three rounds and classic have you seen?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Adrian Brown has had He's reinvented themselves streaming now.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, Abe always has that kind of personality
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: where he attracted. He was a lightning rod, you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: like he was just everybody had it wants c TV,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think with av people like to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: blame him for being a waste of talent.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I don't put all the blame on adriancause I'll tell
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you they saw him as such a cash cow. The
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: way this guy's personality was Yeah, the if factor is
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: so good, right, and I'll tell you boxing wires. Okay.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: He was limited in some ways, but he was excellent
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in other ways. You know, so he was world class. Yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he wasn't Floyd, but he was world class. Okay. My
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: problem is they rushed him so much because they would
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: so quick to beyond, be beyond in on this cash
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: count that they ended up ruining the kid too. They
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: got him too much fame too early. And again maybe
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Tom excuse, he could still he could have still acted maturely,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: but he didn't. But either way, you got to take
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: some of the responsibility. If anybody wants to call Adrian
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Bruner a waste of talent, you gotta the responsibility also
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: has to be on his handlers too, but him in
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: such positions where some of it was literally some of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: it was just too much, too fast, and some of
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it was handed to him, like his first world title
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: he fought You know, a guy wasn't very very knownably
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that good, and he made a world champion. You were
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: so quick and hungry to put him in a position
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: where you could cash in on his star power, and
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you almost pushed it too much. People leting him mature
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: into it, and I'm not sure maybe it would have
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: never matured into it. Will never know, but I thought
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: that they threw to too much. And then when they
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: realized this guy's too much self sabotage where they start doing,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: they started matching him really, really tough, constantly, and they
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: massed him one talk right after another after another. And
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that I thought was unfair because he mashed up with
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: so many to age fought everybody, okay now, and that
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and I think I thought that part was unfair. So
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: anybody wants to call Adrian Broun a waste of talent,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, some of it, some
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of it, some of it is on a B but
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: but not all of it. Some people love to put
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it all I don't. I don't talent, but it's not
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I think. I think it's also on the people that
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: put him there, because they could have positioned and nurtured
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: him better, because positioned better, not so much nursed him,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: but position the better to where he would have got
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: there at the right time, at the promer time, in
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a way we would have appreciated it more as supposed
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to just handed it to some of the things to him,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: because then all of a sudden you went from one
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: stream to the other. Then you sort of match him
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: toping ever against everybody, and you just ruined the kidding.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: You made him move, the guy spin out of control.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, because he always had the fact
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of personalities. But if you would have led, you're right
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: about that. You you think that was great for me.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: That was greed that they saw this guy came with his.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: He could do like the next Floyd. Right, yeah, I
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: mean guy's got to be handled like.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So I like the fact that he's taking the streaming
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: because he put on himself. He's like, all right, yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: all right. I had to depend on other people that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: get me to a certain position, and they handled my talent.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I had a big talent, but it got positioned wrong.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: If you're a b if he's probably saying that to himself,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: he's like, you know what, I'm gonna put this in
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: my own hands, and I'll tell you what. It's bright
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of him to do that. It's bright of him. People
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: might disagree or disagree with him being around being the great,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: but I tell you what I feel like. AB came
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: up with this idea. You know, and he was like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you know what, I can do this because he still
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: has that lightning wide personality that still attracts the time.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: He just needs to plot form and Dean gives him
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the platform to now become this streamer as well. So
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: power to Dean as well, because Dean had the platform
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and to put his boy a beyond there. But it
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: allows a b now that lightening our personality to be
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: shine again because think about it. If a tree falls
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: in a forest and nobody's here to hear it does
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to make a noise. AB makes all the noise in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the world. But he needs the platform. We only need
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the platform, right. AB will attract the attention, if the attention,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: if he's in a position to show you that he's
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: attracts the attention. So this streaming situation for me was
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: very bright on his part because it's like, you know what, Okay,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I don't need you guys help. I can go I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: can do what. I can do this on my own.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I got my boy Dan here, he's gonna help me
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: out and we're gonna do it. And you know what,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: more power to him. But he did it again. He
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: did it again, and now he's the center of attention again.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: So you have been from I'm having from because you
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: guys like each other.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe always over rate that whole beat, but it was
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: a great rivalry, and I really do think speaking of
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that rivalry, I think they dropped the ball and not
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: making a remagine a Tree and a trilogy that would
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: have been the all time great trilogy. That could have
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: been the end of the Secon fight with the post
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: fight interview. Say what you want about it. I get it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It's embarrassing for me. But nonetheless, you can fall right
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: into a rematch up there because you've left You've left
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the cliffhanger. You've left it like a really close fighter,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: split decision. You have a world champion bike. We also
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: have a world championship in the mix. We full for
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the world title, you know, and the world title has
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: just changed hands, and we left you on a cliffhanger. Well,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: what do you think we thought this was? Why do
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you think? My opinion, I think they overrated a B
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of his boxing ability. His
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: boxing was world clash. Don't get me wrong, but I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: think that Okay, they probably thought Police just a bad
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: style matchup. We're gonna match it when my Donna was sloppy.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: We're gonna keep them away from this kind of style,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and ab will still continue to rise and shine. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: they said they got to beat and my Donna lost
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the world title. And then when they saw that they will,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: they stopped believing in the kid and they started matching
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: them one toll fight after another. After they want the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: opposite way, they want the opposite way, and it's like
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that again. For me, that wasn't fair to the kid either.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, they blew a lot of opportunity.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: That means, what do you think if you were like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, because you were you know, you
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: were really like killing it when you were at show
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: time of Bonds it was booming, and what would you do,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: like to say, you know, bring boxing back to uh,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I know, just kind of bring it back, bring the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: interest back with what do you think needs to.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Be done or you know, or it's just this is
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the way things are going now. In order for Boston
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: attract new viewers, it's it can't be behind the paywall.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Everything is a paywall, a paywall, and pay TV everything's
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: in behind the paywall. That's the problem. So people are
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: only gonna pay for what they want to watch. What
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: they already know about Boston when it got big was
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: on free TV. It was a network TV the eighties
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and what not es right, So you're creating new fans
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: because it was not behind the paywall. People can tune
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: in and like flip through channels and I'm back in
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the hold they used to channel surf and I'm like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: oh well, and new and new fans are created in
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that dynamic. Putting it all behind the paywall. People aren't
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: gonna watch, right, something that they gotta pay for unless
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they already like it. So you know, there's no way
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you're gonna create new fans. There's nobody who has to know.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: New fans are gonna say, let me tune into this.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: They don't care. They're gonna pay the money. But they're
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: gonna pay the money as I don't know money behind
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the putting boxing be how to paywof for me kills it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: It still will live and thrive. There's still millions of
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: dollars in boxing. There's still plenty of money in boxing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: It's not that's not that's not the part I'm talking about.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: People always people today team to create everything more money.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: It's not about that. Un't necessarily boxing can be thriving
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: money wise and still not be driving there. There's money
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in boxing. There's more money in boxing than I may
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: even though that makes more popular because of the way structure,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: right at least for now. But you you, you the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: popularity cannot grow when it's behind the paywall. For me,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: every and the problem is everything's behind the paywall now,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: just box. Everything's minding to pay wolf. So whatever it's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: gonna be popular is gonna stay popular. Whatever it's not popular,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna grow anything new into it because nobody
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: who wasn't care is gonna get curious about it enough
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to pay for it, you know.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And I mean you need you need, you need some
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: rising stars. You need a couple of guys that you
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: know you can you can take them. I mean, I know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: you know you trash Connor McGregor all that, but you
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: need a guy that can actually market the sport that
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you could go.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Wow, he's he's no sugar. Ray Lenard is his main
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: weather is They need you need the platform. Yeah, you're right.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: And if it's all behind to pay, well again, the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: tree falls behind in the forest and nobody's there to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: hear it is to make a noise again. You can
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: have a marketable, promotable fighter, but if everybody's got to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: pay to watch them, only boxing veins are gonna know
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: them because all the other ones are gonna pay a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: one saying give it to them, give it to them
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: for free. Yeah, but the problem is we've lost Network TV. Everything, Yeah,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: chap is all is all paid. You know. It's like, bro,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to do anymore. The way
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: things have moved. I don't know where anything is. The
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: world is so greedy that everything you're gonna make you
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: pay for the a you breathed, Oh, I know, so
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. Listen, I don't bring hunt
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that is free. You gotta pay for that. Street you
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: gotta pay for para. Mind, you gotta pay for that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: You gotta pay for this. What's free, there's not. You know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Network TV is like when I was on Network TV,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: it was you were huge, it was it was big.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: You know, It's like you know Channel two Dad, You
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: know the great fights on CBS.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: They had in those days, CBC, why wall the sports?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I mean we used to go to the movie theater
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to watch a big fight.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Like Fraser and Ali. We went called closed circuit. We
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: used to go like my father and my brothers.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Who you know? But I remember Tellson Spinks. Yeah.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So one one little question when I ask you is
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: if you wed a rank like say pulling Mula Lagi,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: top lightweight, top all the weight, top middleweight, light.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Heavy heavy, how do you rank? Like who's your who's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: your favorite lightweight of all time? It comes to mind boom, Okay,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: there's always a big debate. No, I'm just landing like
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a billion. If you had to pick like a lightweight
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: all time, people always said the rant my favorite lightweight
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: is Yeah, I go with the Urn. Yeah. People always
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: sad Durrant in that one. But I who do you
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: go with? Well to weight? It's tough. It's Leonard than Mayweather.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: For me, that's a good Lena the Mayweather. But Crawlford
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: now starts to the conversation as well, you got this
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: conversation right now. Profit it's too fresh to go into
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the old school fighter conversations. But in ten years I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: might still say sugar n time fifteen years if you're
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: gonna start bring cropate into that conversation, John rightfully so
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in middleweight who would come to who? Middleweight's between three guys, right,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and it's it's tough and people are gonna debate between
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: these three guys. I think it's mon Zone, it's Taggler,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and it's Hopkins. You know that the middleweights the mon
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Zone was insane. Zone was insane obviously had a long
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: rain and and and Hopkins had a long ring too.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So you know those guys were tough to beat the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: last and Monzone is well, he knocked out thevenue.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Would you would you put him over like Sugar Ray Robinson?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: And Robinson's best wasn't that mid away for me? You know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: he lost, he lost to you know, several different guys.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: He was a great meadoweight, so many fights, a lot
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: of fights, but but you know he was more beatable
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: at middleweight. Those guys at middleway for their time, Monzone,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Haggler and Hopkins for their time in midway. They want stoppable.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: What do you think about this guy? Ben and Vitez
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: is a light heavy, all time great. I mean, could
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: be up there right if you say the problem now
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: is nobody says in one week class to you know, right,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: everybody's moving up and down weight class. Yea, because he's
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: a I mean, what is he one seventy five to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: two hundred is a big dude? Or he went the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: cruise away his last fight cruiserweight. Yeah, but I mean
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I have a problem now is nobody says in't one
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: weight classes long enough to say, oh, who's the best
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: of this way class? They jump around so much, and
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like the media is grade this dynamic with
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and when you're gonna go up and wait as soon
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: as you make a defensive too, so you know, you
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: don't guy's become the best lightweight or the best wealth
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: away or the best middleweight right away. As soon as
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you win a fighter too, they start moving, but they
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: start pushing you to move on taking more risks. So
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I also think that's because that's part of the stupidity
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that boxing has gone down as well. If the heavy
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: weight would you go, what would be Ali?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: For you?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Ali would be your AI is my favorite headway, right
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you Ali?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I mean you know, put your money on somebody all time,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: favorite heavyweight all the time, who who would.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Be better than him? I mean all around? I mean,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: oh listen, I think fighters get better and better, so
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: also have to be a six nine. Fury's very tough
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: when you're a fighter, like yeah, almost like they're not
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: even like heavyweights. There's a like super geo fighter who
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: pulls back a lot like Ali. You can't pull on
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a six nine guy, you know, right, No, I mean,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about it. The reason I like Ali
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is my favorite is because he's the only one that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: fought everybody, and fought everybody in their prime, and he
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: fought two errors in their prime. He bought his own error,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: which is listing and then that, and then he came
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: back and there was a whole new generation of killers,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and he fought all of them and their primes even
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: as his prime was exiting. As he was fighting even
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the guy's coming up like Lyle and and Jimmy Young
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and all those guys, they was all you know. And
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: so for me, Ali is my favorite and the and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the one that's easiest to pick because he's the only
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: one that fought all of them and not only bought
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: all of them. He didn't calculate the way a lot
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of guys like to do today, where I'll fight this
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: guy because on my record, all look good in twenty years,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: but nobody will know that I didn't fight him at
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: his best. You know, a lot of guys I cannot
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: would like to do that. They fought a lot of
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the top fighter's been out there, not that these fight
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: his best, a lot of fighters. I do that in general.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I'll lead it in camp. Ali fought all these guys
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and he fought them at their best, even at times
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: when he wasn't at his best. So for me, that
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: means so much. That's underrated and and you got to
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: really understanding your boxing to catch that. Now. Having said that,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: for his head to head wins, yeah, I mean for
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: me all they probably gets beat by some of these
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: guys in modern day you know, like like Lenox Lewis. Yeah,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: they're pretty big. Maybe usiic. You know, Tyson Fury is
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: so difficult to deal with a six' nine that you
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: really can't compare. It it's it's a different eras, off
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it's a different. Era but, me if you're gonna tell
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: me my, favorite my fiorit, Is i'll. Leave But i'll
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: tell YOU i. Remember that doesn't MEAN i don't appreciate.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You remember that Ron Lyle George foreman, Fight oh my,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: god it's like WHAT i mean obviously it was the
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: same FIGHT, tv like they knocked each other down like
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: four or five times in each was a.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Few times a fight and a couple of, times you,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: know both of them knocked out.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Cold And i'll tell you what's a great fight THAT
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: i rewatched a couple of.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Times AND i love D ran Fucking duran And barkley
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: is some. Fight what a?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: FIGHT i, mean he's a big ass dude man the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: rand room is really a small.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Guy he's a fucking life and put this guy on his.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Ass was a mean guy, already mean, RIGHT i love.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Him he's that kind of guy with like like lay
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in bed and have a steak with. HIM a fan,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: favorite you know. WHAT i also like as far as old,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: school old two. Guys this guy we're talking about, middleweights
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: he gets he gets old. Weary WHEN i say lay in,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: BED i, MEAN i a good. GUY i want to hug,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: him But i'll tell you what you talk about. Middleweights
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: one of my favorites as. Well one of my favorites
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: as well Is, jaclawanda my, father great boy off.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: GUY i don't never a thought him BECAUSE i, GRAT
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: i was like afraid of him and, GRATS.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Yea never trained. You he was Like lamta was like you.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Know so what makes you, Happy, Paulie what brings your
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: happiness gets you out of bed in the?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Morning what gets me out of? Bed? Yeah or what
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: makes you? Happy like a loaded? Question, no what makes
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: me happy right? Now As i'm? Older, yeah as you're getting,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: older my making sure my loved ones are okay IF
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: i don't have to. WORRY i worry more about PEOPLE
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: i care about than than myself at this point of my.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: LIFE i feel like that's a man's. RESPONSIBILITY i feel
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like also that's MAYBE dna as a, man and we
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: all think that we all stress about that as a get,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: older AND i feel, like you, KNOW i worry a
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: lot about my. FAMILY i never had kids on my
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: own BECAUSE i feel LIKE i worry too much about
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: where the world is. Going SO i worry about my.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: FAMILY i worry about people i'm that are in my.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: LIFE i worry About it's funny BECAUSE i don't have.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Kids but you're gonna have a kid, LATELY i don't.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Know i'm telling. ME i feel like that you're going
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to have a kid like in the. FIFTIES i could see.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: It but But i'll tell you WHAT I i worry
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: about even my friends kids CAUSE i feel, like, Oh
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: i'm not gonna have that responsibility Because i'm worrying about
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: what's in this world BECAUSE i don't, want you, know
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: my kids to have to you, know be worrying about
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: my kids things that are out of my. Control IF
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: i control, everything, OKAY i have. Kids IF i don't
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: have the fact THAT i don't have control worries, me you.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Know and it's funny BECAUSE i got to this point
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: in my life AND i owe my friends have, kids
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and it's LIKE i worry about their. Kids it's like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: beause it's like they're almost like my kids, too you.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Know it's LIKE i have this worry, Anyway it's like
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: it's great if it's worry THAT i was trying to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: avoid winds up in my life, regardless you. Know so so,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: AGAIN i, MEAN I i my loved ones and people
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that care. About what keeps me going IS i don't
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: know how to say to worry about, them worrying about,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: them but family going. Right but you want to be
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: around to make sure everybody's okay and that that keeps me,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: going you, know and that's, great AND i feel like that's,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: beauty you. KNOW i, mean you, know like people that
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: don't Know. Bali it's like he says a lot of.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Things he's a wild guy LIKE i. Do but he's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: really a good. Dude you hit, that, McGregor pauli is
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: really a good. Dude