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Ken takes your calls! · The Mark Simone Show

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  Speaker 1: The Mark Simone Show on 710WOR. Guest hosting for Mark today.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Ken Rosado. Nice to be with you. Happy Labor
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  Speaker 1: Day weekend. Let's go to our busy phones and we
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  Speaker 1: say hello to Carlos in Summit, New Jersey. Good morning
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  Speaker 1: to you, Carlos. Carlos, you want to lower the radio
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  Speaker 1: in the background. It's on a delay. So just listen
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  Speaker 1: to the phone and talk to the phone, okay? Uh-oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be about five minutes before we go
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  Speaker 1: through the delay. Carlos, you there? Otherwise, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: come back to Carlos. Put Carlos on hold, please, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: 800-321-0710.
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  Speaker 1: 800-321-0710 is the number to call. Just the rule of thumb,
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  Speaker 1: whenever you call into radio, you always want to lower
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  Speaker 1: the radio in the background and just listen on the
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  Speaker 1: phone because when we broadcast the signal, sometimes it's not
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  Speaker 1: all stations even do a delay. Sometimes what you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: is called a digital delay. Because when the signal goes
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  Speaker 1: out over the internet, it gets delayed going through the
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  Speaker 1: internet to you. So that's not even always something that
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  Speaker 1: the radio station does. It's just a natural delay. Like
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  Speaker 1: you could be watching a cable show. And if you
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  Speaker 1: ever noticed, if you have it on in two rooms,
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  Speaker 1: one room, it's like four seconds off from the other.
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  Speaker 1: It depends on your TV. If it's a smart TV
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  Speaker 1: or using a cable box, et cetera. So is Carlos
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  Speaker 1: there yet? We've still got him. Well, let's try him again. Carlos,
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  Speaker 1: are you there?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, hello?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Carlos.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: Just keep that radio down in the background if you
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  Speaker 1: don't mind, because otherwise you're going to get distracted. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: good morning to you. Happy Labor Day weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. Yeah, Ken, the bottom line is this.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if a person is insane or not.
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  Speaker 3: You have to pay for your crime. You have to
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  Speaker 3: pay for your crime. And basically, what this woman did,
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  Speaker 3: she's worse than Charles Manson.
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  Speaker 1: She killed three people, and that's not being disputed by
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  Speaker 1: either side. So we don't have to say she allegedly killed.
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  Speaker 1: She acknowledges. Both sides acknowledge. She killed not only three people,
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  Speaker 1: but they were her own children. And of course, based
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  Speaker 1: on the testimony, she sent her husband out and made
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  Speaker 1: sure he stayed away long enough so that she could
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  Speaker 1: complete the act. It's pretty gruesome. I don't disagree with you.
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  Speaker 1: My heart is where your heart is. My feeling is there.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have women who've been through postpartum depression,
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  Speaker 1: and the we're saying the argument in her case is
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  Speaker 1: postpartum psychosis, but that does that give you freedom to
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and kill? There are thousands, millions of women
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  Speaker 1: probably through history who suffered from severe postpartum depression. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't kill anybody. So you got to scratch your head
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  Speaker 1: and say, you know, you got to do something here.
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  Speaker 1: Three individual lives were taken. So they were brutally murdered.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not, uh, I don't disagree with you, Carlos. When,
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  Speaker 1: when you first heard the details of this, uh, What
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  Speaker 1: did you first think? Do you always have that feeling
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  Speaker 1: right from the start?
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  Speaker 3: About what? Yeah, that she should.
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing, and I don't want to put words in
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  Speaker 1: your mouth, I'm guessing you want her to be found
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  Speaker 1: guilty of what? Of first-degree murder?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the accident, yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right. And I think a lot of people agree
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  Speaker 1: with you, and I don't think I disagree with you either.
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  Speaker 1: No matter what the extenuating circumstances, you're talking about a situation...
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're three little innocents. We're, we're just brutally killed.
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  Speaker 1: So Carlos, I appreciate the phone call. Thank you so much, sir. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to move on. Let's say good morning. You
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  Speaker 1: are on the air and it's WOR. Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: Hello. Yeah. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir. You are on WOR on the Mark Simone show.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Ken. This is a Jimmy. I'm calling
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  Speaker 2: from Yonkers. And, uh, You know, talking about that trial, Ken,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was a case in the 50s, I
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  Speaker 2: think in 1954, I believe the name was Constance Fisher,
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  Speaker 2: and the lady killed her three kids, was remanded to
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  Speaker 2: an insane asylum at the time, or, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: psychiatric institute, as we'd call it today. And she was
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  Speaker 2: let out, and later in the 60s, her husband and
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  Speaker 2: her stayed together, and they had three more kids, and
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  Speaker 2: she killed the other three kids in 1966. Wow. And
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  Speaker 2: it's just a bizarre story and almost a bizarre parallel
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  Speaker 2: to what we're seeing today. She ultimately committed suicide by
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  Speaker 2: drowning herself, but it's a story you might want to
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  Speaker 2: look up.
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  Speaker 1: And I, in fact, I remember, yeah, I remember it just,
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  Speaker 1: she had, she had a schizophrenia, right? So that was,
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  Speaker 1: that was, it was paranoid. In fact, it was the
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  Speaker 1: first time many in America had heard of paranoid schizophrenia
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  Speaker 1: because you didn't have, you know, that kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: discussed on national news back in the sixties, but it
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  Speaker 1: was 1966 and, when she killed the first three. And
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  Speaker 1: you're right.
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  Speaker 2: The second three were killed in 1966. The first three
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  Speaker 2: she killed in 1954.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. But you have to wonder, it's like, why was
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  Speaker 1: she allowed to continue having kids? They did have institutions
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  Speaker 1: back then. So I guess with the legal system, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't put people into the institutions when they found them
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  Speaker 1: mentally unstable or mentally insane at that point. It's just
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  Speaker 1: beyond me. But in a case like this, the woman
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  Speaker 1: had not one, not two, she had three kids. So
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  Speaker 1: after the first child, you didn't have postpartum depression. After
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  Speaker 1: the second child, you didn't have postpartum. Or if you did,
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  Speaker 1: you did nothing. But the third one, that's what pushed
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  Speaker 1: you over after a couple of years. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a tough sell. And where do
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  Speaker 1: you think that the jury stands? And I know we're
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  Speaker 1: just guessing here. But one person is the same.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Ken, I don't know. You know, talk with
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  Speaker 2: some buddies of mine. We have coffee each day. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think either way you slice it, Kenny, I think
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  Speaker 2: any guy or gal you examine it, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: be crazy to do what you did. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: look at it that way. I mean, there's no way
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  Speaker 2: anyone in their right mind would just do that.
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  Speaker 1: But then, you know, what do you do to the person?
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  Speaker 2: That's the way I see it anyway. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do to the person, though, at that point?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've got to be honest with you. God forbid,
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  Speaker 2: if it was me in that box... I'd have to say, listen,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, hey, she's crazy. You've got to put
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  Speaker 2: her in some kind of a mental institution of some kind.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I would think rather than a strictly a
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  Speaker 2: penal institution. I don't know. It's a hard one. That's
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  Speaker 2: where maybe myself as a man, I probably would have
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  Speaker 2: come in with some doubt, you know, with that reason,
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  Speaker 2: because you've got to pick one or the other. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is she really crazy? And there's so much
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  Speaker 2: evidence and so many charges and so many experts that
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  Speaker 2: You got to come down on it one side or
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  Speaker 2: the other. And then they call somebody if you're really
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what this one juror is about.
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  Speaker 3: Believe me.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're really a person of your conviction and
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  Speaker 2: you really have reasonable doubt, you know, when they call
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  Speaker 2: somebody a holdout, that's almost like a negative connotation. You
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  Speaker 2: follow me, Ken? You know, if somebody is really a
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  Speaker 2: person says, listen, I really feel this way. Am I
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  Speaker 2: just a holdout or am I a person saying, listen,
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  Speaker 2: I really do have reasonable doubt and therefore I have
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  Speaker 2: to default to option B rather than A.
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  Speaker 1: And this is why I'm convinced. I had this conversation
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  Speaker 1: with Larry and Curtis. I walked into their studio before
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  Speaker 1: I came in here. I'm convinced that it is a man,
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  Speaker 1: because remember, the jury's broken, nine women, three men. I'm
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  Speaker 1: convinced that it is a man who wants the max,
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  Speaker 1: who wants first-degree murder. And the reason I say that
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  Speaker 1: is because the defense attorney called it a darn shame
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  Speaker 1: that the judge would not remove that one juror who
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  Speaker 1: was the holdout. Because if the one juror who was
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  Speaker 1: the holdout was saying, oh, she needs to go free,
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  Speaker 1: then why would the person who is the defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: want the person to be off the jury panel? You
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  Speaker 1: want that person on the jury panel. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that's fairly obvious. My eyes, I don't know. Larry believes
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  Speaker 1: just the opposite. He believes that the way that the
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  Speaker 1: judge spoke that the person is that, that the person
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  Speaker 1: is holding out and wants her basically acquitted, possibly. But
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  Speaker 1: the five options are not guilty, not guilty by lack
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  Speaker 1: of criminal responsibility, which means it's the equivalent of insanity,
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  Speaker 1: guilty of manslaughter, guilty of second-degree murder, or guilty of
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  Speaker 1: first-degree murder. Those are the five options. That's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of options. So, You know, don't know where they all
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  Speaker 1: lie in there based on the evidence, but we'll find out.
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  Speaker 1: I think, what do you think? My guess is today
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the day that we find out.
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  Speaker 2: I would have to say so. I mean, I would think. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're all only humans, too, in that jury box.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, after five weeks and all this stuff, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to have PTSD themselves, I think, after going through
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  Speaker 2: all this. I mean, that's no walk in the park.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, if I was on that jury,
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  Speaker 2: I'd tell them, don't ever pick me for another jury
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  Speaker 2: for the rest of my life, because you have to
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  Speaker 2: go through something like that. I would never want to
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  Speaker 2: hear something like that again. They've got to be traumatized
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  Speaker 2: for everything they saw, they heard, that they read.
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  Speaker 3: It's got to be brutal.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, thank God we have a
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  Speaker 1: panel of our peers to judge us, right? And that
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  Speaker 1: we have this system so we get a good shot.
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  Speaker 2: This is true.
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  Speaker 3: This is true.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we do.
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy from Yonkers, my dad's hometown. That's where dad was
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  Speaker 1: born and raised by the Polish Community Center. I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you very much, my friend. Have a wonderful weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Be well.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You too.
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  Speaker 2: You too.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take one more quick call. Kathy in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: How are things down there?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I hesitated calling because I'm, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I get very emotional. I get very emotional about this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I want to, I want to say that, Ken,
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  Speaker 4: I always think you have the best job in radio
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  Speaker 4: and you do the best job too, because you fill
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  Speaker 4: in for Mark.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a great audience.
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  Speaker 4: But then when you add another hour, I'm thinking it
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  Speaker 4: became a little more difficult for you.
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  Speaker 1: No, so tell me what you feel. Tell me what
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  Speaker 1: you feel.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, I think everybody knows me by now. I
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  Speaker 4: call a lot about this, but you keep on.
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  Speaker 4: You keep on saying the wrong thing. She didn't suffer
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  Speaker 4: from postpartum depression.
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  Speaker 1: No, she had psychosis.
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  Speaker 4: Psychosis.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I specified that. I specified that before.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, I know, but the last couple of times
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  Speaker 4: you keep on saying, and people, not just you, but
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  Speaker 4: keep on saying, this is a different thing.
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  Speaker 2: And it is really....
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  Speaker 4: My biggest thing is for you guys that want to
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  Speaker 4: give her the death penalty, which isn't on the table
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  Speaker 4: for first degree or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I never said that. No, let's back up. I never
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  Speaker 1: said that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. Please.
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  Speaker 1: I love you. And I'll let you talk, Kathy, just,
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  Speaker 1: but please don't, don't suggest that I said that. I
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  Speaker 1: never said that. I just, I listed the five options.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying your callers.
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying your callers want, you know, first of all,
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  Speaker 4: it's not on the table. But as far as first
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  Speaker 4: degree murder is considered, you have to, except in the
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  Speaker 4: state of Texas, you have to have a motive. What
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  Speaker 4: would possibly be her motive for doing this? And there
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  Speaker 4: is none other than, I hate the word crazy, but
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  Speaker 4: other than the psychosis, she wasn't doing it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: to get back her husband. She wasn't doing it because
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  Speaker 4: she was going to have a better life without three children.
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  Speaker 4: Are you serious? She wasn't doing it to, because she
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  Speaker 4: was having an affair and wanted to get, you know,
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  Speaker 4: out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Or she was going to get money out of it.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't, she didn't have an insurance policy on the kids.
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  Speaker 1: You're right. You're right on all of those.
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  Speaker 2: No motive.
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  Speaker 4: So with that in mind, I can't even imagine why
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  Speaker 4: legally they were allowed to charge her with the first
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  Speaker 4: degree murder. second thing that i've not mentioned before that
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  Speaker 4: i would love to it clear up is is the
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  Speaker 4: fact that she premeditated it she doesn't say that she
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  Speaker 4: didn't premeditate it it was premeditated you don't have to
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  Speaker 4: have you don't it doesn't knock out the insanity defense
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  Speaker 4: because think of john hinkley i'll give you the most
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  Speaker 4: obvious thing he he premeditated shooting reagan and But that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't show that it's first degree because he premeditated it.
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  Speaker 4: He's still crazy. And that's why he premeditated it. See, she, again,
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  Speaker 4: she wanted those children. She believed because of the psychosis
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  Speaker 4: and the voices or whatever, that they were going to
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  Speaker 4: go to a better place. And she was going with them.
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  Speaker 1: Kathy, I don't mean to cut you off. Only because
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  Speaker 1: we're up against a heartbreak. I just, in 10 seconds,
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  Speaker 1: what should happen to her? What do you believe should happen?
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  Speaker 4: I personally believe she should have manslaughter because there's both
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  Speaker 4: on the both sides. And I think that would be fair.
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  Speaker 4: But those jurors listened to every day and it looks
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  Speaker 4: like they are not going to give her the first
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  Speaker 4: degree and just know that they were there. They heard
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  Speaker 4: the evidence, unlike many of the callers.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And they saw they saw images that we didn't see
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  Speaker 1: and they don't know. You're absolutely right on all those cats. Kathy,
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  Speaker 1: you listen, call back anytime, especially when I'm here. But
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  Speaker 1: call back anytime because I think you have a very
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  Speaker 1: rational perspective. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: God bless you. And I appreciate your rationality.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. And enjoy your Labor Day weekend. And let's
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  Speaker 1: hope that, you know, for the sake of sanity, that
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  Speaker 1: everything turns out the way it should. Thank you, Kathy.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: And you're listening to 710WOR. Ken Rosato in for Mark.