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#178 - The Complexity of Faith & Morality · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Just it just, it just blends right in.
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  That's why I was telling him like, I'm like, last week he
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  came. I got a country music mix
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  because Nikki likes country music.
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  I got a country mix where it sandwiched between Luke Bryan
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  and Dierks Bentley. And you, you wouldn't know the
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  difference, man. Like it's that high quality of a
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  song. And I told him in the middle.
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  Of our private conversation welcome.
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  YouTube and Twitchers keep going welcome.
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  YouTube and Twitchers talking about Dave Newto and your song
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  The Lord of the Devil. If you don't know who Dave
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  Noodle is, he was on our show. Really cool guy.
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  If you don't know the reason Noodle is, how dare you?
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  Yeah. Google him right now.
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  Right. And there's no reason this guy's
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  not charting right now with the music he writes.
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  It's insane that he's not because it's just.
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  He's that good of an artist. And that good of a songwriter.
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  And they're actually in the studio today because of the show
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  he has on with us where he I found that song and I picked it
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  because the name of the song, The Lord of the Devil and have
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  loved it so much that I started poking at his management
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  company. Like you guys need to release
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  their shit. They can't release it yet
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  because it's on a different management label, whatever.
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  So they're re recording it actually today, February 17th,
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  so they can re release it and launch it.
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  And I'm telling you, you heard it here first when they first
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  came on the show. Mike and I both agreed this
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  song's a hit. Why this song is not playing on
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  the radio right now is beyond me because I have a mix.
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  I don't know if you heard it with the music going, but I have
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  a mix and he's sandwiched between Luke Bryan and Dierks
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  Bentley. And he just, it just, it flowed.
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  There was no. Yeah, he is in the middle of my
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  chaos of music, which could be Prince, one song, could be
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  Michael Jackson the next, could be Slayer the next, then it
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  might be Dave Muto. And he rolls right along when
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  his song comes on, man. And I'm not saying this because
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  now he's a friend of ours. I'm saying it because I'm a
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  musician and I'm a lover of music, and that song makes me
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  want to turn the volume up like it does.
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  Tomorrow, every time, absolutely.
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  So I can't. Wait to hear the new.
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  Version So I, I my truck, I have, I have 4600 songs on that,
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  on that iPod shuffle, iPod, whatever, fuck you call it.
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  And every now and then I'll just, I'll just hit all songs
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  and hit play shuffle and I'll see how it takes me to get
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  through them all. I have 19,000 in my main fast.
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  Yeah, I had more, but then I plug my my iPad pod, whatever it
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  is thing into my Mac and I wiped it all out of my fuck.
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  So I want to cry. It does because I had every CDI
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  ever owned on that. I had all the Alter Bridge
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  bootlegs. I had all the Creed bootlegs.
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  I had all the mother love bones. I mean every every single CD
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  because I had a regular desktop. So now that you bring that up, I
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  was watching. It used to be called Headbangers
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  Ball, whatever they call it on MTV now.
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  I was, you know, just flipping through the channels on Saturday
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  night and the last time by Badlands came on.
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  Oh. And I almost cried, dude,
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  because I don't care about any of those C DS.
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  I'm glad I'm not saying that I'm sorry I bought them.
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  I'm, I can listen to that music now because of modern
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  technology, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. But what breaks your heart are
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  the ones that you forgot about that are now out of print, that
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  you can't get anywhere. You can't stream them on
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  Spotify, Apple. I don't know if you know the
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  story behind Badlands, but Ray Gillian, who used to sing with
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  Black Sabbath, was his claim to fame for a short time.
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  He was the singer of Badlands and he contracted AIDS and he
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  didn't tell anyone and kept going around sleeping with all
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  these women. So the record company shelved
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  both of those albums, which fucked Jakey Lee and Greg Chase
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  and and Eric Singer out of untold royalties.
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  Wow. Due to this guy's asshole
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  ishness. That's terrible, man.
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  Because the families of all those women were like, if you
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  continue to profit off this, we're going to sue you for the
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  profits. And rightfully so, right?
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  Well, what they should have done is let them continue releasing
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  it and waited about, you know, five years and then sued them
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  because then they would have got money, right?
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  Right. That's the story.
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  Behind that they instantly shell both albums.
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  But I had both those CDs and if anybody has them, crank them up.
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  If you don't, if you've never heard the Badlands music, it's
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  some of the best just straight ahead rock'n'roll I've ever
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  heard in my life. Jakey Lee was a monster still.
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  11 artist that you cannot get anywhere is Garth Brooks.
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  I had every Garth Brooks that known to man because I like
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  Garth Brooks. Streaming you mean?
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  You can't. No, no, no, he's not.
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  Nope. Certain artists.
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  Have taken all their music off of streaming.
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  Well, he owns it all. He owns the rights to
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  everything. That's why.
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  That's why he made the statement in his heyday that he has, no,
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  he has more money that his grandchildren's grandchildren
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  will never be able to spend. And it's because he owns the
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  rights to his music and the production of his music and the,
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  and the, the distribution of his music.
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  So you can't you, you can search Apple iTunes for Garth Brooks.
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  And I did. I'm like, oh, sweetie, he's on
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  here. And I downloaded it and it ended
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  up being a fucking cover album tribute to him and it sucked.
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  Really it? Sucked.
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  It sucked. You can't, like you can't
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  anywhere. Nikki loves Garth Brooks, so
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  that's another one of those things.
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  Like when we go dancing on Saturday nights at Denim and
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  Diamonds, when Garth Brooks comes on, you're just on the
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  dance floor because he's got such a high tempo beat and we
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  can do the crazy country swing shit.
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  That's there is no doubt that his band and those songs, if you
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  don't admit that they make you want to move, you're you're
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  either oh, just being an asshole or you're dead.
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  You know, I mean, come. On Garth Brooks, yeah.
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  He didn't sell a gazillion records and he doesn't sell out
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  everywhere. He plays by accident, right?
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  I hate when people say somebody like that sucks.
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  It's like. Yeah, it's like Nickelback
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  sucks. Yeah, OK.
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  But they sell it every time they play and you sing along the
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  entire you. Garth Brooks could just start
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  the first couple notes of the song and stand there and
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  everybody would sing it back to me.
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  The entire song, the entire show, The entire show.
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  You would. We've seen him twice.
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  We saw, We saw. Everybody knows every word to
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  every one of those songs. There's no.
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  Question Yeah, we saw him twice when he was doing a A2 night
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  shows. He came through Phoenix and did
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  two night shows. We've cut the later show.
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  He had an hour break between shows and still played for three
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  hours and still and still nailed it.
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  That's why I went back to see Steve Miller nine more times
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  after I saw him the first time, because it was just like a big
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  party. Yeah, most of the time the crowd
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  was louder than the band. Yeah.
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  Because once again, everybody knows every word to every one of
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  those. Songs, Yep, Yep.
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  Leave us a review. Leave us a review.
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  We love reviews. So Mike had sent me this thing.
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  This is pretty cool. We're going to go over this.
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  It's called, it's called facts that sound fake but are 100%
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  true. The first one which makes sense.
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  Your brain cannot feel pain. Which is why you can have brain
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  surgery while you're awake. Correct this one.
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  I didn't know bananas are berries and strawberries are
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  not. I didn't know that either.
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  I'm sure I didn't know that a time or two, but I don't
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  remember when I read it. I was like, I didn't know that.
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  So is it because bananas growing a tree and strawberries growing
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  a vine? Yep, OK, correct.
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  This one's interesting. Water can boil and freeze at the
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  same time. And only in this part of the
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  country would you understand that.
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  So you can take a boiling pot of water when it's below 0 and
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  throw it in the air and it freezes instantly.
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  Dude, can you do that one day with then film it because that
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  would be cool. The next time it's 20 below
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  when? The next time you hear me
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  complain, and it probably won't be this year, but OK, OK.
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  When I'm complaining about it being like polar like or the
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  polar vortex, that's when I'll do it.
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  OK, cool. It's got to be below 0.
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  But yeah, you can take a boiling pot of water out there and throw
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  it in the air and it'll freeze instantly.
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  Yeah, maybe throw, maybe throw some food coloring in it so you
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  can see it, you know, like blue food coloring.
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  So then it goes in there and it's blue and it's just, that
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  would be like a badass. We'll do it.
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  This one's cool too, because I, you know, skeletons like they
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  purge their skin. I did not know this at all.
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  Yeah, I I don't either, but I don't, I don't know how often
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  scale snakes purge their skin, but you know how they do that
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  You find skin in the desert. Right.
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  Yeah, they molt. Yeah, they molt like chickens
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  molt too. Like we know that because we
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  have chickens. You get a new skeleton every 10
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  years. Now what's fucked up about that
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  is my skeleton should then correct itself, right?
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  You would think it would correct that divertebrae and your
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  vertebrae. You think it would correct it
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  because if it's a new skeleton every 10 years somewhere?
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  To your question, OK. Cool.
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  Our problem is not our bones, it's the discs between our bones
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  that used to be fluid that kept those bones from touching each
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  other. Right.
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  So our bones, right now we're saying, Chris Dunham, I am not
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  your problem. That.
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  Stupid fluid, that little pillow like thing that keeps the bones
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  from touching each other. Yeah.
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  Yours and mine and my mom's is gone.
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  My socks. That's the pain.
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  Is your bone on bone? Yeah, now I've.
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  Heard snakes typically shed their skin about four to 12
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  times per year, Sir. Oh, damn.
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  OK. And so we get new skeletons
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  every 10 years. And I've heard before that your
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  brain evolves every seven years up to the age of 28.
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  I don't know if that's true or not, but that's something I've
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  I've, I've. Your frontal cortex is not fully
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  formed until you're 25 years of age.
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  OK, there you go. I knew it.
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  Something to that effect. I knew it.
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  Yeah, I knew it's. Something, the other thing is
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  every cell in your so now I just, that's really cool.
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  So you get a new skeleton somehow every 10 years.
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  Every cell in your body replicates every seven years.
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  So theoretically, you're a brand new person every 10 years.
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  Every seven years all your cells have replicated into new ones,
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  and every 10 years your skeleton is supposedly a new one.
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  I'm still not sure that blows my mind.
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  It does. It's very mind blowing.
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  OK, so then we have this one. I knew honey never expires.
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  Now when you buy honey, you can tell if if you can tell if they
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  put something in the honey because it hardens, but it never
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  expires. The true raw honeys just stays
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  raw. Yes, that's what I buy.
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  Right. We thought we bought that from
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  this dude down the street, but we put it in a little honey jar.
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  Remember. Remember the movie True Romance?
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  Oh, absolutely. Great.
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  When Brad Pitt was smoking the smoke, smoking the honey, the
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  honey bear bong. Yep.
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  OK, so we don't know what's in that honey bear jar, but it
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  makes the honey we poured into that solid.
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  It's weird. So I, you know, it's just
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  irritating. Do you know how?
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  To. I'm not sure about that.
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  Yeah. So you put it in a pan.
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  Yeah. And you heat it slowly until it
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  come. You just keep stirring it until
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  it comes back to what the consistency was.
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  So the guy that I buy my honey from was my buddy that I told
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  you unfortunately just passed away.
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  Passed away, yeah. He said that that's how that is
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  when they scrape it off the hive.
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  So what you're looking at, the bad stuff, what we consider the
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  bad stuff is what it looks like to the beekeeper before they
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  make it look like it does. They heat it just like I just
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  told you to, which is what he told me to.
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  Because if you keep it long enough and there's not enough in
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  the jar, or you expose it to different temperatures or light,
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  like I keep mine in the dark, which helps.
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  How do I keep it that way? You know, for a long time.
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  But I've done the stove top method where you you got to heat
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  it slowly and you have to keep stirring it and it'll eventually
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  look just like it did the day you got it.
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  Good to know. Yeah.
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  Honey Faction. Mike Michaels, ladies and
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  gentlemen, I. Love my honey and my coffee man.
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  Yeah, I do too, man. I do too.
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  Yep, you can't. You cannot hum while holding
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  your nose. And both of us.
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  Little bit, but not really. Your DNA can stretch to Pluto
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  and back. That fascinated me.
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  That is, that is very fascinating because.
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  Pluto is a long. Ways away.
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  I want to know who figured that out, what science sat there one
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  day and was like, you know what? You know what, dear?
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  I'm going to figure out how, how, how I can spread DNA.
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  How far? Somebody like Mark Winters brain
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  was able to compute that, yeah. Mathematical the Eiffel Tower
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  grows smaller. I'm sorry, grows taller.
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  The Eiffel Tower grows taller in the summer.
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  Now why is that? Because the metal expands.
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  Oh, OK, because I know the leaning Tower Pisa leans sinks
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  every year, but I didn't know the Eiffel Tower grows taller in
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  the summer. Now for those kids, those of you
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  kids that are in the swing lifestyle, you know the other
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  definition of the Eiffel Tower, just you know.
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  That's like my front door opens nice and easy right now.
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  I'll. I'll bail you out of this one.
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  OK? OK.
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  But come summertime, it's harder than hell to open and shut
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  because it swells. You know, being wood.
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  Gotcha. Yeah, Yeah, There you go.
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  Humans glowing the go What? Say again.
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  He said wood. I was doing my beeps and butter.
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  I know I got you. Humans glow in the dark, but too
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  dim to see. I didn't know that either.
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  But we do glow in the dark. That's interesting.
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  This one I kind of knew because you watch enough, enough medical
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  dramas and TV shows and science things your heart can beat
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  outside your body. So when they do open heart
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  surgery, they've actually, I've seen when they pick up the heart
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  and it's still beating. I, and I thought this was more,
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  you blink 15 to 20 * a minute. I, I really thought you blink a
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  lot more than that. I was surprised at that low
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  number. The only reason that I wasn't is
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  because I've worn contacts for so many years.
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  Oh. Yeah, me too.
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  Oh yeah, that's right. Well, don't you become hyper
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  aware of when you're not blinking enough?
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  Can your eyes start drying out? No I just I my age.
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  Arizona sucks for contacts. Well, that's.
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  True agreed. It's so bad for contacts.
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  I I got monthly contacts and you're supposed to wear wear a
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  month and there's some pairs I go through and we look like a
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  week and I clean them. I I'm like.
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  Fuck, it's just too dry. There's no humidity.
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  I. Remember, it sucks.
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  It sucks you've been aging since day one, which I thought you
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  kind of aged since day zero. Like as soon as you popped your
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  head out you start aging. So the only part of that this is
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  how my stupid brain works. The only part of that that I
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  disagree with is you've actually been aging since the sperm hit
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  the egg. Since conception, yeah.
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  There you go, I. It's the same set of cells that
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  was in that little embryo. Yeah, that you are today.
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  Yeah, truth. That's a fact.
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  That is a fact. That is a fact, Jack.
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  That's the facts, Jack. So this other fun thing?
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  Interesting food facts. But maybe that's what they mean
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  by day #1 read that statement maybe.
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  Great. Why?
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  It's just human age aging day one.
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  OK, so we can say day one is that conception.
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  That's what I would say. All right.
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  Excuse me. So interesting.
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  Food. Facts.
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  Food this is this. I found these interesting too,
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  so nice job finding these, Michael.
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  White chocolate isn't technically chocolate because it
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  may it contains no cocoa solids. I think Carrie might have told
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  me that, but she would have been the only one because she begs a
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  lot. Yeah, that's that's interesting.
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  I didn't know this one either. Farm raised salmon is naturally
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  Gray. It's dyed pink to make it look
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  real. I did not know that.
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  So you're not eating salmon, you're eating a grey fish.
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  You're getting a grey fish that tastes like salmon, and they
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  diet to make it look like salmon.
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  True. Wrap your head around that.
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  No, I agree with that statement. I was like, I'm not sure I yeah,
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  I agree with that, yeah. Yeah, I'm saving them as three
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  for last 'cause that's more, it's more exciting for me.
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  The stickers on fruit are made of edible paper and food grade
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  glue. And I always wondered that.
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  So you can eat that sticker on your apple.
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  Yep. I'm not going to eat the stick
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  on the apple because you know why?
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  Because whoever put that stick on the apple probably has dirty
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  hand, which is why I peel that shit off and wash the apple.
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  So can I put your mind at ease? Yes, please.
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  No human ever touched that sticker.
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  It was really no, it was a machine at high speed just going
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  think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think,
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  think. Oh, wait, OK, I stand corrected.
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  Still not eating a sticker, but I don't think you have to worry
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  about somebody putting a. Greasy pause on it.
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  I may take the sticker off my next apple and put it on my
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  tongue and see if it's acts like nutmeg, which is a hallucinogen
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  that if you eat more than two teaspoons full at once you're
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  going to go tripping. But from what I read in the
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  comments, don't do it because apparently it'll give you the
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  worst headache you've ever had in your life.
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  So I don't think that's. Where do you really want to brag
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  about? Hey man, I'm tripping on nutmeg.
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  I the only thing I can say is your breath would smell
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  incredible. You know what would be funny is
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  if liquid sin or listen to your sin was based on a nutmeg trip
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  and I just never told you that. I think that should be the new
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  story. Just make it up.
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  And then the one I say for last because I think this is
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  fascinating, peanut butter can be turned into diamonds under
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  high pressure, Tory high pressure laboratory settings.
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  OK, so I wonder now that you say that, and I've heard it for the
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  third time. Mm.
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  Hmm, is that how we're making lab grown diamonds?
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  It's quite. Possible.
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  Are we just sacrificing peanut butter at an alarming rate?
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  It's quite possible. Now does that mean it has to be
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  like jiffy or can it be the powder peanut butter because I
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  have the PB supplement. PB powder.
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  Does crunchy make a better diamond than smooth?
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  Right. Maybe.
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  Maybe Crunchy has more. You know, we should get Nate
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  Palmer back on the the nutritionist because he's the
• 18:57
  one that told us that that peanut butter is actually not
• 18:59
  protein, it's fat. Yes.
• 19:02
  And we could blow his mind. Hey, Nate, if you're out there,
• 19:06
  peanut butter can be made into a diamond.
• 19:08
  So if you eat peanut butter, does that mean you're shitting
• 19:10
  diamonds? Sorry.
• 19:17
  No, don't ever be sorry. I.
• 19:21
  Had to go there. Oh here, read this one.
• 19:25
  This is great. OK.
• 19:29
  Why he's sending me that? Boys and girls, we have said
• 19:31
  almost 21,000 views on Instagram in the last 30 days.
• 19:34
  So thank you very much for that. 25,000 on Facebook, so that's
• 19:37
  50,000 between the two. Thank you very much.
• 19:39
  That's awesome. I wonder what I wonder what Tik
• 19:41
  Tok's doing because I haven't been.
• 19:42
  I just post on TikTok. I don't.
• 19:44
  I don't actually go look at it. I go nothing.
• 19:49
  Check out what you've been posting but.
• 19:52
  It's consistently, yeah. It's moving up there.
• 19:54
  It takes time just like. Yeah, whatever you sent me, it
• 19:58
  hasn't come through yet. Speaking of which, we're on
• 20:01
  Instagram. We could use some help there.
• 20:03
  We are on Instagram. And you people seem to.
• 20:07
  Instagram Instagram Instagram has had some nice stuff lately
• 20:10
  man. Nice numbers popping.
• 20:12
  Yeah, the 489 followers we have there, they're hyper loyal.
• 20:17
  So you guys rock? Yeah, I'm going on their
• 20:23
  Instagram. I'm going to go check out the
• 20:24
  Instagram right now. Oh, come on.
• 20:34
  I think one of the Mark Winters was right around 7000 views.
• 20:39
  People like that one. Of the winter.
• 20:41
  I can't wait to have him back. Dude, that dude was so.
• 20:43
  Well, people didn't know what a polyglot was, just like you and
• 20:45
  I did, and that really attracted a lot of attention.
• 20:48
  It attracted a ton of people, man.
• 20:50
  It attracted a ton of. People.
• 20:51
  As soon as I saw that short, I was like, Oh yeah, everybody
• 20:54
  needs to know what this is. I had no idea there was 1
• 20:57
  naysayer. We like to call out the
• 20:59
  naysayers on TikTok that said potential for things that didn't
• 21:06
  happen in blue and things that didn't happen in yellow.
• 21:10
  So. He didn't believe that that
• 21:12
  happened, but you obviously didn't listen to that episode
• 21:16
  because Mark Winters is a super genius, so I'm sure his siblings
• 21:20
  are super geniuses as well. Super genius, Super genius.
• 21:24
  The guy does calculus for fun, so go listen to that episode.
• 21:28
  He's a musician now. Fascinating guy.
• 21:30
  I'm with Chris, I can't wait to talk to him again.
• 21:33
  Yeah, Dad, super cool guy too. He's going to be in Bisbee,
• 21:36
  Arizona, too, in March doing a concert with positive eyes.
• 21:40
  And I was like, oh Mark, I guess it's time to go to this.
• 21:42
  But he's like, come down, man. Get some positive vibes, bro.
• 21:46
  So there there is, there's the Instagram page right there.
• 21:51
  And this is the Chris and Mike show.
• 21:52
  OK, 270 posts, which is pretty cool.
• 21:56
  I'm following it. So I can't see the back end data
• 21:57
  like Mike can. But there's, oh, wait, right
• 22:00
  there. Yeah, there's all the stuff.
• 22:01
  Where's the polyglot guy? Where's the polyglot guy?
• 22:04
  Matt Farrell, funny guy. Just had him on.
• 22:06
  I told I told Nikki this story. Matt.
• 22:09
  About him and his wife and, you know, date night in a hotel and
• 22:15
  so Apache. Because we like to talk about
• 22:18
  our guests like that, I'm going to give Matt a huge compliment
• 22:22
  that I gave him to a guy I work with today.
• 22:25
  I am super, I am way more critical of comedians than I am
• 22:29
  of even musicians. I and the way that I figured
• 22:32
  this out as I was looking for a good comedy stand up on Netflix
• 22:36
  the other day and I went through three of them.
• 22:39
  I made it 3 1/2 minutes into the first guy.
• 22:41
  I made it 5 minutes into the second guy, and I made it 2
• 22:44
  minutes into the third guy. I am You Better Be funny and
• 22:48
  Matt is a super funny guy. It's his timing and his delivery
• 22:56
  for sure, but it's also the way he tells the story.
• 22:59
  Storytelling. Yes.
• 23:02
  Yeah, yeah. You have to do it without being
• 23:05
  vulgar. And somehow he can tell those
• 23:08
  stories without offending people, right?
• 23:11
  Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 23:16
  Yeah, I've always thought about about comedy.
• 23:19
  Because you you would have made a job stand up comic.
• 23:21
  For some of the jobs I have like like I was thinking about this
• 23:23
  one. So my first one, I worked at the
• 23:24
  Mark Center, OK, which is, is a place where you have people that
• 23:27
  are our age that are mentally, we called them mentally
• 23:29
  handicapped. I know it's not politically
• 23:31
  correct. We called them our clients,
• 23:32
  right? But they were, you know, 40
• 23:34
  plus. Years old we called them at the
• 23:36
  time though for sure. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:37
  Mentally they were seven years old.
• 23:39
  OK, First introduction to this, this job, I show up 7:00 in the
• 23:44
  morning and the vans are coming in.
• 23:46
  All the group humps had Astro vans.
• 23:47
  So this Astro van pulls up Chris.
• 23:49
  They they say, Chris, that's your group home.
• 23:51
  I'm like, OK, so I go open the door.
• 23:53
  First time I meet these four adults, right?
• 23:56
  And I'd probably say their name, Chris.
• 23:58
  I won't say the last name. So, so Brady no longer with us.
• 24:01
  So he gets out of the van, you know, kind of a kind of a kind
• 24:05
  of a big, big guy, like a like, but not tall like there's always
• 24:08
  disheveled no matter what you did.
• 24:10
  He always had a shoe untied. He always just had chaos about
• 24:13
  him. But Super Bowl lovable teddy
• 24:15
  bear until that moment you know that he's not like I saw this
• 24:19
  this dude RIP out of a water heater from the ground in the
• 24:22
  rec room. Like legit put his hands around
• 24:24
  this water heating lifted it up. He's pissed.
• 24:27
  OK, so it was Brady fun loving, loved stuck in seven-year old
• 24:32
  mindset, loved everything Disneyland, everything Jack and
• 24:34
  the Beanstalk. I would do his voice, but I
• 24:36
  won't because that that's it was I could do his voice out of
• 24:39
  love, but I won't do his voice on this.
• 24:42
  Rick, super nice guy, about 6-6, lanky, thin.
• 24:46
  His father was a football coach, salt of the earth family, like
• 24:49
  the Super, super nice family. His mom came picked him up every
• 24:52
  Sunday. He passed away during my tenure
• 24:55
  there too, which was a drag. He had a heart attack and passed
• 25:00
  Mike. We had this guy named Jesse, but
• 25:01
  then he was he he had some issues.
• 25:03
  We couldn't keep him. So he had this guy Mike and Mike
• 25:06
  was kind of a short, thin guy that that was a little bit of a
• 25:09
  hoarder and loved smoking his cigarettes.
• 25:12
  And that was that was his thing. He'd had this big kind of Circle
• 25:15
  K coffee mug type. What are you trying to say
• 25:16
  thing? And he was he smoked cigarettes,
• 25:21
  right? That was his thing, you know,
• 25:22
  and then and then I'm going to say Wes.
• 25:25
  So, so Wes, redhead beard, first introduction, first day I, I
• 25:30
  roll up van comes up blue mini blue Astro van Brady comes out.
• 25:35
  Hey, you know, engaged, you know, cool.
• 25:37
  OK, you're Kristen. I'm like I'm Kristen.
• 25:39
  I'm, you know, Rick comes out really loud, boisterous in your
• 25:43
  face talking, you know, excited. Yeah, yeah, I'll just go inside.
• 25:45
  So he goes inside, you know, Mike comes out.
• 25:47
  How you doing? How you doing?
• 25:48
  You know, really just mellow like how you doing, man?
• 25:50
  Trying to be cool, you know. So Wes is in the back of this
• 25:54
  Astra van. It's it's two seats right where
• 25:56
  he's in the back of the Astra van.
• 25:57
  I said, come on, Wes looks at me.
• 26:00
  Can I have my lunch box? I'm like, well, yeah, you can
• 26:03
  have your lunch box. You just, you got to have your
• 26:04
  lunch box for lunch, man. So come on, let's go.
• 26:07
  Can I have my lunch box? Yes, yes, Wes, you can have your
• 26:11
  lunch box. You can have your lunch box.
• 26:15
  I don't know, 30 seconds go by, he's not moving.
• 26:17
  Can I have my lunch box? Yes, you can have your lunch
• 26:21
  box. And I'm looking around.
• 26:22
  There's no other staff. So I'm like, OK, so I get in the
• 26:24
  van, I get in the seat in front of him and I, I'm like, can we
• 26:28
  need to go? You know, we need to go.
• 26:30
  The driver of the van who was dropping off from the group home
• 26:32
  took their folders inside with meds and stuff.
• 26:34
  It was a Monday. So you bring your meds all kind
• 26:36
  of jazz. So he's not anywhere around.
• 26:38
  I'm in this van now with Wes and he's, I'm, I'm sitting in the in
• 26:41
  the middle row and I'm looking at him.
• 26:43
  I'm like, dude, we got to go and he's like, come have a lunch
• 26:45
  box. I'm like, so I look over the, I
• 26:49
  look over the seat, looking over the seat and, and on his hand,
• 26:52
  white knuckles, he's got his lunch box.
• 26:54
  It's green. It's a green igloo lunch box.
• 26:56
  It's square. He's holding his lunch box like
• 26:58
  this. Can I have a lunch box?
• 27:01
  I'm like, yes, you can have your lunch box.
• 27:03
  You have it right there. Let's let's go.
• 27:05
  And and he's not moving. I was like, somehow my name came
• 27:09
  up. He's like, you're Chris Dunham
• 27:10
  guy. I'm I guess everything was Chris
• 27:12
  Dunham guy. He had that guy or girl, if
• 27:14
  you're a girl, it'd be, it'd be like Mama care girl, Mama care
• 27:17
  girl. OK, so I'm Chris Dunham guy.
• 27:20
  And I'm like, yeah, I'm Chris Dunham.
• 27:22
  I'm Chris Dunham guy. OK.
• 27:23
  He's like, oh, you're Chris Dunham guy.
• 27:24
  And he starts laughing. I'm like, yeah, I'm Chris Dunham
• 27:26
  guy. I said, can we get out of the
• 27:28
  vans, please? We need to go inside.
• 27:31
  Can I have a lunch box again? First day in this world.
• 27:37
  OK. They weren't even going to hire
• 27:39
  me because I was only 20 years old.
• 27:40
  And you had to be 21 to work there because they wanted to be
• 27:42
  a driver, and you couldn't be a driver unless you're 21.
• 27:44
  But because I had experience with the Special Olympics, they
• 27:48
  hired me. Kim Stevenson, thank you.
• 27:51
  So I decide I know what I'm going to do.
• 27:54
  I'm going to leave the van. I'm going to go to the back of
• 27:55
  the van, open the Astro doors, back doors, Right.
• 27:59
  And I'm going to come up behind him and might gently kind of
• 28:02
  nudge him out of the van. OK, so that works.
• 28:04
  He can have my lunch box. Yes, you can have the lunch box.
• 28:06
  I need you to get out of the van.
• 28:07
  I need you to get out of the van.
• 28:09
  So he's moving him out of the van.
• 28:11
  Finally, the morning staff comes.
• 28:12
  His name was Chris too. He's like, what are you doing?
• 28:14
  Wes? Just get out of the van, man.
• 28:15
  And has the authority. So Wes gets out of the van.
• 28:19
  So the guy's like, oh, you're Chris.
• 28:20
  That's like, yeah, I'm Chris too.
• 28:21
  He's in the West. Let's Crystal and brothers Chris
• 28:23
  Solas guy. OK, I'm like, cool.
• 28:25
  We're all guys. We're all both the same.
• 28:26
  The name name, same name. It's a beautiful thing.
• 28:30
  Can we go inside? So Chris, the driver, Chris the
• 28:35
  driver shuts the van, goes around, drives away.
• 28:39
  And as I turn around, W decides not to follow the sidewalk,
• 28:43
  dedicated sidewalk to the back entrance of the the day center,
• 28:46
  we called it. He takes off to the to the
• 28:50
  grassy field at the edge of the parking lot.
• 28:53
  So I'm, you know, fuck, man. So I'm falling out there.
• 28:58
  I'm like, what? We got it this way.
• 29:00
  Shit, you not carrying his lunch box in his hand, still asking if
• 29:04
  he can have his lunch box. I'm like, for the love of God,
• 29:07
  man, you can have your lunch box.
• 29:08
  I'm not going to take your lunch box.
• 29:09
  You can have it. I promise.
• 29:11
  It's your lunch box. Lunch is in four hours, man.
• 29:14
  It's only 8:00. It's not time for lunch yet, but
• 29:17
  you can have your lunch box. I don't care.
• 29:20
  So I'm following him out to this, to this, this grassy Knoll
• 29:23
  area. And I think this, I think that
• 29:26
  this guy's name, but kind of a big, a big hefty black man that
• 29:31
  you don't, if you saw him, you know, walk in an alley like I'm,
• 29:34
  I'm not going down this alley, just not happening.
• 29:37
  You could be the nicest guy in the world, but just the way that
• 29:39
  you look, not going down this alley.
• 29:42
  So he comes, we're kind of we're kind of, you know, in a football
• 29:46
  when you're trying to chase down a guy.
• 29:47
  We're both walking like this to, to, to pinpoint Wes and we both
• 29:51
  get the same time. He's like, Wes, what are you
• 29:52
  doing, man? And he says the guy's name and
• 29:54
  obviously ends with guy. And I was like, look, man, I
• 29:58
  said this is my first day. I said this is the first day.
• 30:00
  And I, I, he wants his lunch box.
• 30:02
  This staff brilliant reaches down, grabs a lunch box with Wes
• 30:08
  and then escorts him inside. Why I didn't think of that, I
• 30:12
  have no idea. We sit down in the rec room,
• 30:20
  right? We sit down, I'm on the and I
• 30:23
  have to go through my little paperwork with them and I'm
• 30:25
  going my stuff with Brady and with Rick and with Mike.
• 30:28
  Wes is still holding his lunch box.
• 30:30
  He's still looking at me dead straight in the face.
• 30:33
  Can I have my lunch box and stuff?
• 30:34
  And he starts adding stuff. Can I have my lunch box and
• 30:36
  stuff? Can I have my lunch box and
• 30:38
  stuff and stuff and stuff? I'm reading his thing now and I
• 30:41
  understand. Oh.
• 30:43
  So that's just what he does, right?
• 30:45
  He repeats himself. Sure, he gets into a A mode in
• 30:49
  his brain where he just. Asks and I'm not laughing at
• 30:52
  him, ladies and gentlemen. Oh no, but.
• 30:53
  I'm. Laughing at Chris's.
• 30:56
  This is his first day. This is the first day he was
• 30:58
  working when he met me and he was in the band.
• 31:01
  This is what you were doing. I am totally not laughing.
• 31:04
  Yeah. Oh, no, I have.
• 31:05
  No, it's. I am proud of that fact that I
• 31:07
  have never made fun of somebody like that.
• 31:09
  I would never even dream of it. Right.
• 31:11
  Absolutely not. Those people are some of the
• 31:13
  most lovable. They are interesting, amazing,
• 31:17
  amazing human beings that you will ever meet.
• 31:20
  You just have to find it in there, right?
• 31:22
  And that's the. Challenge and and true to that,
• 31:26
  I. Didn't mean to rest interrupt.
• 31:28
  Your story? No, I was laughing.
• 31:29
  I just want everybody to know I was laughing.
• 31:31
  At you. Yeah.
• 31:32
  That was the comedy part of it. So, and, and true to point, I
• 31:36
  spent 13 years at the Mark Center.
• 31:38
  I, I, I, I stayed in that position for the first two years
• 31:42
  in real estate. I stayed at a group home for 13
• 31:45
  years. You were.
• 31:46
  So good at that job man Thank you.
• 31:48
  I ended up because I saw. You with them when you had the
• 31:50
  van and you, you would stop by and drop something off or
• 31:53
  whatever and you'd be like, these are the boys.
• 31:55
  Yeah, yeah, I ended up, I ended up overseeing the operation of
• 31:58
  five group home cycle. I climbed that corporate ladder
• 32:01
  and kid you not, I, I that instance with Wes was the
• 32:07
  beginning of what was probably the one of the greatest
• 32:09
  friendships I ever had in my life.
• 32:10
  Even though it was truly A1 sided friendship because he and
• 32:13
  I had conversations that that just, you can never have and be
• 32:19
  that vulnerable and honest with another human being.
• 32:22
  The cool thing about Wes, there was never any, there's never any
• 32:26
  hate. There's never any, any negative
• 32:29
  feedback. It was it.
• 32:30
  He would repeat what I would say sometimes he broke my nose.
• 32:34
  They were moving, they were moving group homes that we are
• 32:36
  moving group homes. And so he is a, he would hoard
• 32:38
  things. He was, his life was in disarray
• 32:41
  because they were moving houses and he he didn't know how to
• 32:43
  handle that. So he had grabbed something from
• 32:45
  this off at this this staff members desk.
• 32:47
  It was a round little snow globe and put it in his lunch box.
• 32:49
  And I saw him do it. So I went up to him and by now
• 32:53
  I'm talking a year at the day program.
• 32:55
  So I he and I were tight now, like we he would have a down
• 32:59
  moment in the morning. They would tell me, oh, he's
• 33:01
  down. And I'd open that door and and
• 33:03
  his lies with his eyes would light up.
• 33:04
  I mean, we just. Yeah, exactly.
• 33:09
  So he, I see him put this thing, I see him put this thing off
• 33:12
  Barbara's desk in his lunch box. I'm like, Wes, man, you can't.
• 33:14
  You can't take stuff. He's got that death grip.
• 33:16
  I'm like, dude, I'm going to open your lunch box.
• 33:18
  I'm going to take it out. I'm going to put it back on
• 33:19
  Barb's desk. It's hers.
• 33:20
  You can't take that. And he was, he was making a
• 33:23
  noise that I never heard him make.
• 33:24
  He was kind of going not to make fun of him.
• 33:28
  But the example Sling Blade, Billy Bob Thornton or something,
• 33:33
  that kind of thing. He had this really weird.
• 33:35
  Yeah, he had this really weird and I never experienced it
• 33:39
  before, like, but I'm thinking that I'm good.
• 33:42
  We're dialed in like we're we're tight, you know.
• 33:45
  So one hand opens the lunch box, the other one reaches in and
• 33:47
  gets the thing and it's and I'm looking down.
• 33:50
  OK, It's and I and I reach, I grab it and then I look up.
• 33:53
  He hits me like this. Straight now.
• 33:57
  Straight down breaks my nose so I ought to make it grab my nose.
• 34:02
  My staff sees it and he comes to grab and we see him.
• 34:05
  I say don't extreme just sit him down.
• 34:07
  So we're sitting down, I'm waiting, staff get me something,
• 34:10
  hold my nose. I'm bleeding.
• 34:12
  Wes is sitting in front of me maybe 3 feet.
• 34:16
  Is it wrong to hit Christian guy?
• 34:18
  Oh no, that was the first thing he said.
• 34:23
  Yes, Wesley is wrong to hit. Chris Dunham guy you broke my
• 34:26
  nose, I broke your nose and stuff I did.
• 34:28
  Chris Dunham guy broke your nose and stuff.
• 34:30
  I did. I only have one nose.
• 34:32
  So so he was bipolar and manic depressive.
• 34:37
  So when he get into his high state, he would wave.
• 34:40
  So Nikki hated it. He would wave.
• 34:42
  He would just come up to you just like I'm doing this.
• 34:44
  Hi, Kristen Guy. Hi, Kristen Guy.
• 34:48
  Yeah. Hi, Kristen Guy.
• 34:49
  Hey, Kristen Guy. You like me?
• 34:50
  Do you like me now? The coolest thing about him,
• 34:53
  right? Among other things, I got so
• 34:56
  tight with him I could take. I took him home to work.
• 34:58
  Eugene, OR twice. We flew on a plane, I learned.
• 35:02
  Now keep in mind ladies. And gentlemen, this is a guy who
• 35:05
  has said many times to me, and I'm only going to interrupt you
• 35:07
  for a second. Yeah, you're fine.
• 35:09
  That you have no empathy, right? Right, I don't have empathy.
• 35:12
  But you were so compassion. That's where you're enigma.
• 35:16
  You do have a lot of compassion. I have compassion.
• 35:19
  So Wes and I got so tight that at one point time I actually was
• 35:23
  going to was going to apply for being, for being as guardian
• 35:26
  because his mother had passed and his dad was getting up in
• 35:28
  age. And his dad gave me his full
• 35:30
  blessing. I didn't end up doing it because
• 35:31
  all the red tape that was involved in it, but I took him
• 35:34
  to Eugene OR twice on a plane. Now I had realized in my time
• 35:39
  with him because. This was a reason.
• 35:40
  To visit his, his mom, she was still, she was still with us.
• 35:46
  I'd realized after about five years with him that he loved
• 35:50
  music. And the reason he loved music is
• 35:52
  he was institutionalized from the as soon as they realized
• 35:55
  that he was, he was messed up back then.
• 35:58
  I think he's born in 48. You go institution.
• 36:01
  It's it's one flew over. That's institution.
• 36:03
  There's no there's no staying at home.
• 36:05
  They called you a. Mongoloid idiot back then yes,
• 36:10
  but you think that because calling a mentally handicapped
• 36:13
  was bad. You were literally in his day.
• 36:15
  You were a literally a mongoloid idiot.
• 36:17
  They disowned you from the family and like you said, you
• 36:20
  went to a place. Yeah, you went to a place.
• 36:22
  That was it. That was it.
• 36:25
  But because of that, music was so ingrained into him that I
• 36:32
  could turn on the radio any, any station in the group home, and I
• 36:37
  mean any station. And he would sing.
• 36:40
  He knew every song that it was ever played.
• 36:43
  And back then when you played the, when you played Cool FM, it
• 36:46
  was a. Song.
• 36:46
  So he had like a photographic memory.
• 36:48
  Oh my. God, Oh yeah, the the the stuff
• 36:51
  on Cool FM back then was from the 40s and the 50s, sure.
• 36:54
  The 60s was on KSLX, right, So it was anything from the 40s up
• 36:59
  he knew. So the so the airport I'm like,
• 37:02
  OK, you don't know he's special until he talks.
• 37:07
  If you looked at him walking down the street with me, red
• 37:10
  hair very well kept beard trend because I made sure once really.
• 37:13
  He had no outward characteristics of being
• 37:17
  handicapped. Nope.
• 37:18
  I took him to Joe's Barber Shop in Mesa once a month.
• 37:23
  Got his hair cut, got his, got his beard trimmed up.
• 37:25
  Like like so. We were so tight that his Barber
• 37:29
  man at Joe's Barbershop thought he was my brother.
• 37:32
  It's awesome. Like I'd like probably the 6th
• 37:34
  or 7th time I was there, he was doing something.
• 37:37
  I was like, sorry, man. He's like, it's all good, man.
• 37:39
  I can, I can, I love your brother.
• 37:41
  You come here all the time, like, OK.
• 37:44
  I never, I didn't even go there. I just let it go because, you
• 37:47
  know, I just let it go. So the airplane in the airport,
• 37:52
  I'm like, how am I going to deal with this?
• 37:53
  Because stressors and environment.
• 37:56
  Yeah, it's a lot of people, Walkman.
• 37:59
  OK, sure. I learned that he liked Guns and
• 38:02
  Roses. Yeah.
• 38:04
  The problem? We're on the airplane.
• 38:07
  Picture this Yeah, I get to go on early because of the
• 38:11
  circumstances, right? I get to go on.
• 38:13
  I get to, I get to go on early because of the circumstances,
• 38:16
  right? You couldn't tell, but I still
• 38:17
  got to go in early because of the circumstances.
• 38:20
  It was clearly noted on his, on his path, on his, on his ticket
• 38:23
  there. I'm his, I'm, you know, I'm
• 38:25
  responsible. This is who he is.
• 38:26
  I have to get on the plane 1st and off the plane last period.
• 38:31
  So we're like not first class, we're like the second, third row
• 38:35
  in the plane behind first class. So we go.
• 38:38
  We're sitting in first class. Oh no.
• 38:40
  People start loading up, you know, loading up the plane and
• 38:43
  and we're just chilling, hanging.
• 38:45
  I had all kinds of stuff like a 7 year old.
• 38:47
  You have to have stuff for a 7 year old on a plane.
• 38:49
  So I have all the things he started.
• 38:51
  I can see his leg starts going. So I'm like bust out the I bust
• 38:55
  out the Walkman, put the, you know, put the chords in his
• 38:59
  ears, you know, hit play Guns and Roses, greatest hits.
• 39:04
  OK, he doesn't start singing until knocking on him.
• 39:11
  His door comes on. Oh no.
• 39:14
  He is doing what normal people do.
• 39:16
  Back in the day when you didn't used to wearing Airpods, you
• 39:20
  sing 3. Times as loud to hear yourself
• 39:25
  through the music, yes. So the plane is pretty much
• 39:29
  boarded now and knocking on him. His door comes on and he's
• 39:33
  singing and laughing because he has a memory of this song
• 39:37
  because of his institutionalization, his
• 39:39
  institutionalized life. So he's singing as as loud as he
• 39:45
  probably can while laughing and he has a laugh.
• 39:49
  That was, that was kind of, it was infectious, but you knew
• 39:52
  there was something not right with this guy there.
• 39:56
  The stewardess comes to me and she's like, I need you to get
• 39:59
  him to calm down. I'm like I, I, I can't I if I
• 40:01
  don't understand. She knew.
• 40:03
  No, she knew because when I walked on the plane, they
• 40:05
  understood. Sure.
• 40:06
  I had to tell them. I had to tell them what was up
• 40:09
  because I had the behaviors and stuff.
• 40:10
  You know, I'm like, I can't, I said I, I, I can't take them
• 40:14
  off. I was like, you don't want me to
• 40:16
  take those off. Trust me, it's got to stay on.
• 40:18
  And he's just let him do his thing.
• 40:21
  I turned the volume down a little bit and I'm like, dude,
• 40:22
  you got to bring it down. Not.
• 40:23
  And then of course, he starts his repetitive speech because
• 40:26
  it's, it's a stressor. You know, don't sing us out,
• 40:29
  Christina Stuff. Don't sing us out like Wesley.
• 40:32
  Don't sing as a man. Just kind of bring it down,
• 40:34
  bring it down a little bit, you know, But aside from that,
• 40:39
  nobody would have known that he was different.
• 40:42
  No one. So he got through knocking on
• 40:45
  Heaven's door. He didn't know the next song and
• 40:48
  he stopped singing. And then when, when that, when
• 40:51
  that side, you know, I flipped his tape over and then I had, I
• 40:54
  don't know, six or seven different cassette tapes with me
• 40:57
  for the whole thing. But yeah, music, man, it, it
• 41:02
  didn't matter. Music, any, any song that come
• 41:04
  on the radio, he would know. And if he was, if he was having
• 41:07
  a bad day or something, I'd just turn on the radio and, and like
• 41:11
  Mamas and Papas would come on or Jeremiah's a bullfrog.
• 41:13
  And then he would just start singing and just thought it was
• 41:15
  the greatest thing in the world and start laughing because he
• 41:17
  associated something with that song.
• 41:20
  And that goes back to what we've talked about so many times.
• 41:23
  Music is the soundtrack of our life.
• 41:25
  And with him to get him in and out of an airplane and in and
• 41:30
  out of an airport without a behavior, it's music.
• 41:33
  Well, to me, when I hear stories like that, I keep catalog and
• 41:38
  all this stuff in my brain, it tells me that I'm on the right
• 41:42
  track when I just feel like the whole universe, it's a fact.
• 41:46
  The whole universe is humming at different frequencies, right?
• 41:50
  We can only hear a very small percentage of those frequencies.
• 41:54
  When you have somebody like that that is inconsolable until they
• 41:59
  hear music, that just proves everything that science knows
• 42:05
  and doesn't know about the power of that frequency, the
• 42:10
  vibration, the energy, right? There's so much more to all this
• 42:16
  than we understand because we can't see most of it and we
• 42:19
  can't hear most of it, right? But those people are tapping
• 42:24
  into something that we will. I think you just said it earlier
• 42:27
  like that was a relationship you will never have with anyone else
• 42:31
  because you couldn't have a relationship like that with.
• 42:34
  He was special in his own way, right?
• 42:36
  He's living. He's living in his own
• 42:39
  dimension, almost. Yeah.
• 42:41
  Oh yeah, yeah. And he was one of those.
• 42:43
  He was one of those people that that staff loved or hate him.
• 42:47
  It's kind of like me. Nikki says all the time you
• 42:48
  either love Chris or hate Chris. There's no Gray.
• 42:50
  And I think that's why we bond it, because there was no, there
• 42:53
  was no grey with him. It's a love or hate thing.
• 42:54
  You either you could either deal with his idiosyncrasies or you
• 42:58
  couldn't stand them. That's one thing that you had in
• 43:01
  common with Scott. He was the same way.
• 43:03
  Yeah. You know, he rubbed people the
• 43:05
  wrong way and they hated him. Or you saw what we saw.
• 43:11
  And there was a good side to him, you know, it just you had
• 43:14
  to, you had to make him vulnerable.
• 43:17
  And that was harder. It's harder.
• 43:18
  Like I'm way more, I'm way more outwardly vulnerable of my
• 43:23
  feelings, I think, than anybody. Rick was probably the most.
• 43:27
  Yeah, yeah. The other fun.
• 43:31
  The other fun thing about him, excuse me, anytime we went
• 43:34
  anywhere, he had to go to the bathroom.
• 43:37
  Well. Him and I didn't have to go to
• 43:39
  the but no, he didn't have to go to the bathroom.
• 43:42
  He just had to go to the bathroom.
• 43:45
  He just he and he would, he would and I had to go with him
• 43:48
  and he would because he had this other he one of his negative
• 43:50
  things, he would smear shit Bo. He would just yeah, Nope, he
• 43:57
  would. We had 24 hour staff and once,
• 44:02
  once he understood I was a consistent figure in his life,
• 44:05
  that behavior kind of just subsided.
• 44:08
  But up to the point when I started working there, because I
• 44:11
  started the day program and I ended up moving into the group
• 44:13
  home after the first year because I was like, I'd rather
• 44:16
  do the group home stuff. But yeah, you'd have staff would
• 44:20
  would, you know, overnight they'd hear Wesley in his room,
• 44:23
  paint the walls. But I was, you know, some weird
• 44:26
  side effect of his stuff. But it is what it is, you know?
• 44:29
  Yeah, that's. That's not good.
• 44:32
  No, it's not. But you know, So changing topic
• 44:35
  now, did you know in 1939 Stalin sent a half million troops into
• 44:39
  Finland, expecting the tiny nation to fall in 12 days?
• 44:42
  Instead they met Simo Haya, a quiet farmer standing just 5
• 44:47
  feet tall, armed with an old iron sided rifle with no
• 44:51
  telescopic lens. He moved like a ghost through
• 44:53
  the frozen forest, assassinating 505 confirmed kills in 98 days
• 44:59
  and earning the terrified Soviet nickname The White Death.
• 45:05
  That's fantastic for. Three months, All that guy did
• 45:09
  is pick off Russian soldiers. Amazing.
• 45:14
  That's amazing. I read that and I I actually
• 45:17
  read it twice because I was unsure if it was a true story
• 45:21
  the first time. And then when it said that they
• 45:24
  were confirmed kills, I just started laughing.
• 45:26
  I'm like, here's this little Polish dude out in the middle of
• 45:29
  beautiful farmland. For three months and eight days,
• 45:32
  all he did is shoot Russian soldiers.
• 45:35
  That's crazy. And they're like, how in the
• 45:36
  fuck? Where in Where is this guy?
• 45:40
  Yeah. That's crazy.
• 45:43
  This one's cool. The the $62.5 trillion per gram
• 45:51
  antimatter is the most expensive material known to humankind.
• 45:57
  So here's a question. If you steal the antimatter, is
• 45:59
  there a black market for that? Can you smoke it?
• 46:03
  I don't, I don't, I don't know. But but you know, is there a
• 46:06
  black market for that? Because I could, I could
• 46:08
  envision somebody stealing that morbid knowledge.
• 46:11
  Love this. I think I knew.
• 46:13
  I think I heard this one. In 2021, Tyson Gilbert cut off
• 46:17
  his penis and threw it out the window of his car as he was
• 46:21
  being chased by police. He allegedly claimed that voices
• 46:23
  on the radio told him to do so, so he would save the world.
• 46:30
  He might have been doing some PCP.
• 46:31
  Wow. Or some wild he had to be doing
• 46:35
  something because how do you cut off your own penis while driving
• 46:38
  down the road now? And especially it was a stick
• 46:39
  shift. That's impressive.
• 46:42
  Just sheer talent alone. That is impressive.
• 46:48
  Oh my gosh. Your skills could have been
• 46:50
  better served elsewhere. Oh, Oh yeah.
• 46:52
  I mean, imagine the the the I don't.
• 46:55
  I doubt it was a clean cut. I just imagine how bad that
• 46:59
  would hurt dude. I no, I don't either, man.
• 47:03
  I don't either because. I'm sure he didn't have like a
• 47:05
  surgical scalpel with him. No, there's no way you have a
• 47:09
  scalpel for that. Man, and that would be bad
• 47:11
  enough. That would be that would be bad
• 47:14
  enough for sure. So we have finished the series
• 47:25
  lost. Spoiler alert, the series is
• 47:28
  like 20 years old, so we're going to, yeah, carry on.
• 47:32
  Yeah, I got to respond to this. If you have not seen lost and
• 47:36
  you don't want to know anything, you can stop right here.
• 47:39
  Yeah, So the, the we didn't watch the uncut inning because
• 47:47
  on, on, on the Netflix or Hulu, there's there's an uncut
• 47:51
  version. I've never seen that either.
• 47:53
  We didn't. We didn't watch that.
• 47:54
  We've all seen the same thing, right?
• 47:58
  So I, I, I don't, I don't, I like, I so the way I thought the
• 48:06
  ending was, I liked, I liked the idea of them finding their hero
• 48:15
  type thing. And just like, like, if you
• 48:25
  haven't seen, it's hard to explain it, but you know, when,
• 48:28
  when, when they were reconnecting with the people
• 48:30
  from the island, right? I, I dug that.
• 48:33
  I thought that was cool because it was a way, it was a way that
• 48:40
  that was like their heaven or something.
• 48:41
  You know, I looked at it like, OK, this is this is their
• 48:43
  heaven. This.
• 48:44
  Is Yeah. You know they realize they're
• 48:45
  all dead, right? I swayed, I didn't.
• 48:48
  So later into it I did because I had I had cheated and looked at
• 48:51
  something in it and. It so back in the day, people
• 48:55
  describe that show as the best show that's ever been written
• 48:58
  with the stupidest fucking ending ever.
• 49:01
  I I agree with that because I do.
• 49:03
  The ending was like, here's the church.
• 49:04
  We you all built it so you could reconnect.
• 49:06
  Like, really? I remember I hadn't even seen it
• 49:09
  yet. And I remember the backlash in
• 49:11
  the media of how pissed off people were at the ending of
• 49:15
  that show, which is it was what made me watch it.
• 49:18
  Later on. I had a good friend who had seen
• 49:20
  it, you know, week by week as it went.
• 49:22
  It's like, dude, you got to watch it.
• 49:23
  You can watch it. It was on Hulu at the time, I
• 49:26
  think, you know, So I got to watch it all like you guys just
• 49:30
  did one right after the other. And I had to agree with
• 49:34
  everybody's sentiment. It might, it quite possibly
• 49:38
  might be the best show ever in the history of the world with
• 49:41
  the dumbest fucking ending ever. Yeah.
• 49:44
  I was so disappointed. Yeah, I liked, I liked how they
• 49:47
  were making it out to be like the heaven part of it, right.
• 49:53
  And then and then it just, it was weird, like we're all in a
• 49:57
  church now. That's a good word.
• 49:59
  It was extremely weird. Yeah, it's like they could have
• 50:02
  did so much more with that. As cohesive as that show was,
• 50:06
  and now that you've seen it all, it makes total sense when I say
• 50:09
  this, It was so well put together where there were things
• 50:14
  you didn't know until way later on.
• 50:17
  And then it seems like you just, it would be like Jackson Pollock
• 50:21
  painting his best painting ever and then throwing a big black
• 50:25
  streak right in the middle of it, you know?
• 50:27
  Yeah, yeah. Just laziness.
• 50:30
  Here's my finish. Here's my big finish.
• 50:32
  Well, you ruined the whole middle of the painting, Dick.
• 50:35
  Yeah, you did it just it just it didn't make sense to me.
• 50:38
  It it. I'm glad to hear you say that
• 50:40
  because I thought you might have AI didn't know what kind of take
• 50:43
  I guess you would have and I was curious I'd I shouldn't.
• 50:46
  Say I, but I, I during the, I think this season, I googled it
• 50:51
  and the the Last Supper picture came up with John Locke being
• 50:54
  the Jesus. So, so I kind of from, from that
• 50:58
  standpoint, I thought, OK, because crash the plane, he can
• 51:02
  walk now the energy of the island, he's the Jesus.
• 51:05
  Like he's, he's the Jesus. He's the one that everybody sees
• 51:08
  as the Jesus because they came back to life.
• 51:09
  So I kind of thought, well, maybe they're dead.
• 51:14
  But because of the dynamic of the show, I'm like, OK, well,
• 51:19
  this isn't, you know. We had the same thought at the
• 51:22
  same. Point like is this purgatory?
• 51:24
  Is it hell? I had those thoughts as well.
• 51:27
  Right, because if it's hell, you wouldn't have food, you'd be
• 51:28
  suffering, right? You're not suffering.
• 51:30
  So it will learn more towards the purgatory.
• 51:31
  And if you don't know purgatory, as Catholic Catholics believe in
• 51:34
  purgatory, you're not, you're not going to hell because
• 51:37
  Catholics have confession. And so as long as you don't
• 51:41
  intentionally, right? So as long as you don't
• 51:43
  intentionally wake up today saying I'm going to go kill that
• 51:45
  guy because because my boss Tony over there tells me I go whack
• 51:48
  this dude for, you know, not not giving us the numbers, right.
• 51:51
  You know, I didn't wake up that day to go kill the dude like I
• 51:54
  was ordered to do to do to do the dude because I'm a soldier
• 51:56
  for the mafia and I had to go take care of business.
• 51:59
  But then tomorrow I go to confession and that's absolved,
• 52:02
  you know, so because of that, I'm I'm going to go to
• 52:07
  purgatory. You know, for all of my sins, I
• 52:10
  go to purgatory and I hang out in purgatory for however long it
• 52:13
  is. Now obviously this is all
• 52:14
  assumption because nobody just died like when you.
• 52:18
  I love when people say this shit out loud.
• 52:20
  Because I'm, yeah, yeah, Nikki and I, Nikki are going through
• 52:23
  this thing. We're, we're blessing our, our
• 52:25
  marriage in the church. According to the Catholics,
• 52:26
  we've not been married for 30 years, which is it's a hell of a
• 52:29
  ride for sinning for sure. I keep telling her that I'm
• 52:32
  like, what a better way to sin for 30 years, man.
• 52:35
  And for me, according to the according to the Catholic
• 52:37
  religion, I get baptized. So like everything's washed away
• 52:41
  that day. Like I start brand spanking new.
• 52:43
  Nick has got to go to Confession I.
• 52:45
  Just had a conversation today. OK, cool.
• 52:48
  So we decided we'll go to confession together.
• 52:49
  I'm like, we got to go out of state because I'm not going to
• 52:51
  confession where we go to church because we don't need fathers
• 52:53
  knowing all our stuff, you know, which is kind of funny.
• 52:57
  So, but this stuff I'm learning and it's fascinating because I,
• 53:01
  you know, I grew up, I grew up in a, in a Christian type type
• 53:05
  of religion. I was, I was born Methodist into
• 53:08
  a Catholic Church and was supposedly emergency baptized as
• 53:11
  a Catholic, but nobody can find record of that.
• 53:13
  The methods didn't keep record, but it stands to reason because
• 53:15
  I was in a Catholic Church and because I was stuck in
• 53:20
  automatically into an incubator for 2 1/2 months early, I was
• 53:23
  going to die. So they baptized me, the story
• 53:24
  goes, because I was going to die.
• 53:27
  So, but there's a record of that.
• 53:31
  So the Catholic stuff I'm learning is it's purgatory.
• 53:33
  It's not heaven, it's not hell, it's purgatory.
• 53:35
  You spend X amount of time in purgatory.
• 53:36
  True. For whatever you've done in this
• 53:39
  world, that has been negative. So I'm trying to get all the
• 53:41
  stuff out of the way between now and April 2nd because then it
• 53:45
  starts fresh, you know? So that's Catholic.
• 53:50
  So Christianity, it's heaven or hell.
• 53:53
  There's no difference. But you and I have had the
• 53:54
  conversation before that that religion is made-up.
• 53:58
  It's a man made thing. Because you have to, you have to
• 54:00
  inject fear in somebody. The Bible itself has been
• 54:03
  written so many times, rewritten so many times.
• 54:05
  Different. The guy's sitting on a throne,
• 54:06
  dressed like a wizard, wearing a fucking hat.
• 54:09
  Right, right. How much more?
• 54:11
  Ridiculous and crazy. Could you get?
• 54:13
  Right. Mel Gibson just came out with a
• 54:15
  thing because Mel Gibson's super Roman Catholic and he just came
• 54:18
  out with something. They discovered an actual.
• 54:20
  I thought he was Jewish. No, Mel Gibson's a fucking hard
• 54:23
  die hard Roman Catholic. That was a joke.
• 54:25
  Dude was a joke. I'm sorry.
• 54:27
  I misbeats the Jews, he. Got oh, that's right, that.
• 54:30
  Was a joke. So I'm learning more and more
• 54:34
  about him because he's very opinionated.
• 54:35
  Like the the shit that's going on in Hollywood with the
• 54:37
  pedophiles, Like he was calling that shit out when they've when
• 54:40
  they've came over here after Mad Max was filmed and he broke into
• 54:43
  the American Filming Institute stuff.
• 54:46
  Like I was like, holy shit, watch this stuff when you find
• 54:49
  him online. But they found an actual image
• 54:52
  of what was believed to be Christ.
• 54:55
  And I hate to break it to you boys and girls, Jesus wasn't
• 54:57
  white. Everybody thinks Jesus was
• 54:59
  white. He's all portrayed as a white
• 55:00
  man. He's like, I don't know what
• 55:04
  Indian, some type of Indian. You know, you would hate Indian,
• 55:08
  but Middle Eastern, right? The Middle Eastern type, he
• 55:11
  would be brown, right? Exactly.
• 55:14
  So anybody who thinks that Jesus was white or black, I'm sorry.
• 55:17
  He Middle Eastern because that's where.
• 55:19
  All of humanity. Yeah.
• 55:22
  I have even worse news. All of humanity started out as
• 55:26
  brown people because we all come from Africa, right?
• 55:29
  White people came about because they started moving north and
• 55:33
  there's not as much sun for us people who live where there's
• 55:35
  winter, right? Right.
• 55:37
  That's where white people came from.
• 55:39
  But scientists, whether you want to believe it or not, you can
• 55:42
  believe in your fairy tale little world where there's
• 55:46
  always been white people, but there have not always been white
• 55:48
  people. I've been having this
• 55:49
  conversation a lot lately too, because it seems like all of the
• 55:53
  sudden we're separating ourselves again.
• 55:57
  And it's very important for people to know, like you said, a
• 55:59
  there is no way on God's green earth, for lack of a better
• 56:04
  term, that Jesus was a white man.
• 56:06
  So that picture that you have in your bedroom or your home where
• 56:10
  he has long flowing hair and he's clearly a white guy with a
• 56:13
  beard. Yep, that was made-up by
• 56:17
  somebody in America to sell a lot of pictures of Jesus.
• 56:20
  Yeah, and the fact that the Bible's been rewritten so many
• 56:22
  times, and I'm not discounting the Bible, don't freak out on
• 56:24
  me, but when we were in this, this it was CIA class.
• 56:28
  We get Bibles, we get Bibles in the and the Catechism Bible, OK.
• 56:35
  For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son.
• 56:38
  The version we have, they took begotten out.
• 56:40
  I read that. I looked at Nicki and like, you
• 56:41
  can't take Begotten out, man. The Bible was created by 10
• 56:46
  canonized priests. Right. 1000 years after Jesus
• 56:50
  was was born, right? Crucified, gone.
• 56:54
  He'd been gone for 1000 years. And then the Bible that we know
• 56:58
  and likes is the one you're reading today.
• 57:01
  So and depending on the version. I And that's 100% true.
• 57:07
  And that's why in my mind, literally when this conversation
• 57:12
  comes up, if people want to know why I'm so hardcore about my
• 57:16
  feelings when it comes to religion, just Chris talking
• 57:20
  about the little bit of what he's going through branched us
• 57:24
  down all these roads. And my mind goes down so many
• 57:27
  other roads that all of a sudden this is what I hear in my brain.
• 57:32
  Right. Yeah.
• 57:35
  Yeah, None of it makes sense because here's the conversation
• 57:41
  that I had today. We were talking about religion,
• 57:43
  and I was talking about it with somebody who can have the
• 57:46
  conversation like you and I are having now.
• 57:48
  I'm not going to judge you. You're not going to judge me.
• 57:50
  We're trying to figure out life together, right?
• 57:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:54
  And she simply said, I have faith and it makes me feel
• 57:58
  better, right? And I was quick to say, I'm not
• 58:01
  trying to change your mind. I am literally trying to get you
• 58:05
  to see how I came from your side of the fence to my side of the
• 58:11
  fence, right my brain, and I probably should if you want to
• 58:16
  say that that was detrimental to become a musician.
• 58:20
  I firmly believe that becoming a musician made me a more
• 58:23
  analytical person to where I had to figure shit out, right?
• 58:26
  It did. So it just doesn't make sense to
• 58:30
  me that a guy could kill 17 people and on his deathbed could
• 58:37
  claim Jesus as his Lord and savior and he goes to heaven and
• 58:43
  #2 guy lived his whole life, built a business, was an
• 58:47
  atheist, gave millions of dollars of charity, took 60,000
• 58:52
  a year for himself, just gave all the rest of his money away,
• 58:55
  put kids through school, built a hospital.
• 58:58
  Yeah, that guy's going to hell because he doesn't believe in in
• 59:02
  that person that I was talking to.
• 59:03
  You could see instantly was like, no, I don't believe that.
• 59:07
  Yes, you do right, because the whole.
• 59:10
  You can't have it both. Thank you.
• 59:12
  It's the the the rule of Christianity is accept, believe,
• 59:15
  commit. You got to accept Jesus died for
• 59:17
  your sins on the cross. You got to believe that and you
• 59:19
  got to commit your life to him, whatever that looks like.
• 59:21
  You have to commit your life to being a Christ like individual.
• 59:25
  Otherwise you're. What do they call that?
• 59:27
  You're you're, you're a Pagan. You're a.
• 59:30
  Heathen. No, there's a term in in
• 59:32
  Catholicism where they're like. I'm I'm not there yet.
• 59:35
  OK, they're just like a Sunday Catholic or something, you know?
• 59:39
  Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 59:41
  Sunday Catholic. Lukewarm.
• 59:43
  Lukewarm that. Lukewarm is the Christian side
• 59:45
  of that. You're lukewarm.
• 59:46
  Yeah. And what's funny, too, is the
• 59:49
  judges are typically hardcore Christians, judging more than
• 59:53
  anybody else will. 1,000,000%. Which is just, you know, because
• 59:57
  they're so, and we've talked about it before, some people,
• 1:00:01
  like some people need direction. They need to be told how to
• 1:00:04
  believe and how to pray and how to tithe and do these things to
• 1:00:09
  get to heaven. And I firmly believe that the
• 1:00:11
  person that I was talking to you, not to interrupt you, but
• 1:00:14
  it's important for me if they're listening to this because they
• 1:00:16
  listen to it a lot. It's important for me to have
• 1:00:20
  them understand that their point was this is how I believed as a
• 1:00:26
  little girl and this is how I believe today, right, right,
• 1:00:29
  right. I support that.
• 1:00:31
  I support that so much, right? If because of what you just
• 1:00:35
  said, that makes you a better person every day.
• 1:00:37
  Right, right. The guilt that comes along with
• 1:00:41
  the stress of living that life because now I have to live it to
• 1:00:46
  AT right. I was like that from a little
• 1:00:48
  kid. They told me, here's what you're
• 1:00:51
  going to believe. And that was the other part of
• 1:00:54
  the problem is I wanted to make my own decisions later on,
• 1:00:58
  right, right. But at that time it was like,
• 1:01:02
  OK, here's what we believe. And man, there's there's a lot
• 1:01:06
  of stress that comes along with this because you have sin and I
• 1:01:11
  can and can't say and do certain things and.
• 1:01:17
  So I'm going to find this thing which is fascinating.
• 1:01:26
  I think this is it. Hold on.
• 1:01:34
  Oh, come on. Yeah.
• 1:01:36
  No, that's not. Hold on.
• 1:01:39
  If you quote Jimmy from South Park, come on.
• 1:01:45
  Well, no, because Ricky Gervais Love him or hate him.
• 1:01:50
  Last comedy special on Netflix was hilarious.
• 1:01:52
  I'd see. I didn't like it, wasn't my
• 1:01:54
  favorite one. No.
• 1:01:55
  I no. I don't think it was my favorite
• 1:01:58
  one, but I thought it was good. OK, so check this out.
• 1:02:02
  And this is a short thing, so we shouldn't get in trouble for it.
• 1:02:07
  As a God. So everyone's technically
• 1:02:09
  agnostic. We don't know.
• 1:02:10
  An agnostic atheist is someone who doesn't know there's a God
• 1:02:13
  or not, as no one does. Atheism is only rejecting the
• 1:02:16
  claim that there is a God. Atheism isn't a belief system.
• 1:02:18
  This is atheism in a nutshell. You say there's a God, I say can
• 1:02:22
  you prove that? You say no, I say I don't
• 1:02:24
  believe you. Then you believe in one God,
• 1:02:25
  Ice. There are. 3000 to choose from.
• 1:02:28
  So basically you deny 1 less God than I do, you don't believe in
• 1:02:32
  2999 gods, and I don't believe in just one more.
• 1:02:37
  I'm an agnostic atheist, technically.
• 1:02:40
  Me too. There you go.
• 1:02:43
  I, I just leave it at agnostic. I leave myself open to the
• 1:02:47
  possibility and here's why. The conversation that you and I
• 1:02:51
  are having right now, and this happens to Chris and I since we
• 1:02:54
  started this podcast, more than we even admit on the show.
• 1:02:58
  I literally just had this conversation at work today and
• 1:03:02
  52 minutes into this podcast, we jumped right down that road,
• 1:03:07
  right? We didn't talk about this before
• 1:03:08
  we came on air. Dozer stop.
• 1:03:11
  My dog's in the park and a guy walking by my window.
• 1:03:13
  I see the guy. Walking by your window and had
• 1:03:15
  you not said that, I would have warned you that somebody could
• 1:03:18
  be potentially ruining our show here.
• 1:03:20
  Yep, Yep, Yep. That's the synchronicity of the
• 1:03:24
  universe. So my point is, I think it's
• 1:03:28
  equally as stupid. And in the conversation I had
• 1:03:31
  with my friend, I said this. I think it's equally as stupid
• 1:03:35
  to be an atheist, right? Because now you're saying that
• 1:03:38
  there's no possibility that there's any order to the
• 1:03:41
  universe that could have been created by an intelligent
• 1:03:44
  design, right? Exactly.
• 1:03:46
  You don't know that. And the way that the way that I
• 1:03:51
  end these arguments with people who get hostile with me, and you
• 1:03:55
  know how I'm good at diffusing situations, right?
• 1:03:57
  The way I diffuse that situation if somebody gets a little too
• 1:04:00
  aggressive is simply to say, you don't know what happens when we
• 1:04:04
  die and neither do I. And we both should be super
• 1:04:08
  thankful for that today, right? You can't say I know for sure
• 1:04:14
  about anything. That's why the word faith comes
• 1:04:16
  about, right? And to me, it's hard for you to
• 1:04:20
  say that because you are a Christian.
• 1:04:22
  And here's where people get really weird.
• 1:04:24
  Well, we do Christianity in America and over there in China,
• 1:04:28
  you know, that's where they do the Buddhist thing.
• 1:04:30
  And, you know, that's the same. They're really the same.
• 1:04:34
  They just don't know it. Those are my favorite people,
• 1:04:37
  right? No, they do Buddhism things and
• 1:04:42
  they don't care anything about Christianity and I'm sure
• 1:04:45
  they're hyper aware of it in 2026.
• 1:04:49
  And let's see. And the thing too, at the end of
• 1:04:50
  the day, according to we're all descendants from Adam and Eve,
• 1:04:55
  right? If you believe in that, I
• 1:04:56
  haven't even started it. We are all under that tree.
• 1:05:00
  You, you, you, if you believe in God, we're all under that tree,
• 1:05:05
  which means every single person, regardless of race, color,
• 1:05:08
  religion and creed, they were all made in the eyes of the
• 1:05:12
  father because that's, that's the whole, the, the what is the
• 1:05:16
  father son, the father son, the Holy Spirit.
• 1:05:19
  It's all one which the more I've gone down this Catholic path,
• 1:05:23
  the more I see the I'm seeing the I'm seeing the brilliance of
• 1:05:26
  Scott Stapp because there's there's two different creeds in
• 1:05:29
  the Catholicism religion. I don't know them off top my
• 1:05:33
  head. The apostles, one of them.
• 1:05:35
  Right. But the brilliance of Scott
• 1:05:37
  Stapp of how he, because he, I guarantee he picked the name of
• 1:05:40
  the band because all the songs that were written, he wrote
• 1:05:45
  lyrically at least. Sure, for the most, for the most
• 1:05:47
  part, I'm sure Tremont had a hand in some of it.
• 1:05:48
  But I think I think the foundation of Creed's music was
• 1:05:51
  Scott and his upbringing in the evangelical. 100.
• 1:05:56
  Whack A mole like like when? I remember when they were huge.
• 1:05:59
  He was. At Revival.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah, yeah, because his dad had that fucking big old cross
• 1:06:04
  dinging down. Oh yeah, those guys are.
• 1:06:05
  It wasn't this. It wasn't this little tiny thing
• 1:06:07
  like. This.
• 1:06:08
  No, you get into the snake charming with them people and
• 1:06:10
  shit. Yes, yeah, yes.
• 1:06:13
  They speak in tongues and yeah. Oh, just yeah.
• 1:06:16
  So yeah, that's so reason. I'm kind of I'm, I'm, I'm
• 1:06:20
  identifying and agreeing with you on a level here, because
• 1:06:22
  when I went through my entire thing growing up and then I kind
• 1:06:25
  of stepped away from the whole idea of an organized religion, I
• 1:06:28
  went agnostic. So people got to understand how
• 1:06:30
  you explained it. Atheism, you don't believe in
• 1:06:33
  anything, but in a, in a sense, you believe in something because
• 1:06:35
  you're believing in nothing. Yes, agnostic.
• 1:06:38
  You just don't believe in one God.
• 1:06:40
  You don't believe in organized religion.
• 1:06:41
  You believe in something. I believe the potential for
• 1:06:44
  something to be there is yes. Right.
• 1:06:47
  That's agnostic. It's like Ricky Vergirvais said,
• 1:06:49
  There's 3000 gods. I'm believing in one less than
• 1:06:51
  you are. But it's not that you're not so
• 1:06:56
  shut down and closed off you. You don't believe in nothing
• 1:06:59
  agnostic is is I just don't believe in in I don't.
• 1:07:03
  I looked at it as as at the time when I when I chose that path, I
• 1:07:06
  didn't believe in organized religion.
• 1:07:07
  I didn't believe in in being forced to to be told how to
• 1:07:12
  live, pray, eat and sleep. I'm sorry.
• 1:07:14
  You know, it's not tangible. When I was a kid, I remember
• 1:07:19
  growing up how I grew up with the evil monster in the other
• 1:07:21
  room. I would pray like you wouldn't
• 1:07:24
  believe. I would pray and I would ask
• 1:07:27
  that like legit, I had this stupid little chair, man, that
• 1:07:29
  was like from the 1970s and I would, I remembered this.
• 1:07:32
  It's I'm getting chills as I tell you this, but I remember
• 1:07:35
  praying and just asking Jesus to come just sit on that chair so
• 1:07:38
  when she comes in the room, you can protect me.
• 1:07:40
  Guess what? He never sat on a chair.
• 1:07:43
  He never protected me. So for you trying to tell me
• 1:07:46
  that that do you have to believe in a God that won't protect a
• 1:07:49
  child who's vulnerable and weak and is about to get his ass
• 1:07:52
  kicked and thrown out? Fuck you.
• 1:07:54
  But that Christian sitting next to you right now is going to
• 1:07:56
  say, right? But you're still here talking to
• 1:07:58
  us, Kristen. And the Lord looked over you the
• 1:08:00
  whole way. You just didn't, right?
• 1:08:03
  Right. But but still that's.
• 1:08:05
  Did that help you in that moment in time?
• 1:08:08
  No, because it was, it was bullshit to me because I,
• 1:08:10
  because I was, so I was so focused on I needed something.
• 1:08:16
  And because I was forced to go to church as a child so she
• 1:08:20
  could fuck the dude that she was fucking who was married the
• 1:08:23
  entire time. That's why she was always late
• 1:08:25
  to pick us up from church, which is why I stopped going to church
• 1:08:27
  because I was the last kid sitting in the parking lot.
• 1:08:29
  There's all kinds of trash there.
• 1:08:30
  There's all kinds of baggage, man.
• 1:08:33
  Awful. But it's it's the thing that
• 1:08:36
  that, oh, my mother was a fucking whore, dude.
• 1:08:38
  I'll be the first one to Yep, you don't like that.
• 1:08:41
  I'm sorry. I know with just that story
• 1:08:43
  right there, you have no idea what you just said.
• 1:08:45
  And just like, oh, I just. I know.
• 1:08:47
  I know you do. But I know that just blew me off
• 1:08:50
  my chair like poor kid sitting in the parking lot at church, no
• 1:08:54
  less. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah, yeah. Well, his mom fucking somebody.
• 1:08:57
  Else, yeah, why fucking a married man for like some 20
• 1:09:01
  some odd years? The greatest thing about my
• 1:09:04
  grandmother when she got Alzheimer's and you know, do you
• 1:09:06
  have to look at the positives, man, She let that shit fly.
• 1:09:10
  Well, there's where the Christians going to say that's
• 1:09:12
  where you ended up then. Your grandmother there was I
• 1:09:15
  know, but there was no there was no holding back.
• 1:09:18
  My grandmother was the salt of the earth, man.
• 1:09:20
  She was old school it there was, I mean, she's just where I.
• 1:09:23
  Learned everything I needed to know about life and dynamic.
• 1:09:29
  And what I'm trying to say this, I don't want anybody in trouble,
• 1:09:33
  OK? That's where I learned all about
• 1:09:34
  life and dynamics of yes, yes. The the the the the most ironic
• 1:09:40
  part of that the the person that she was sleeping with eventually
• 1:09:43
  married the guy after he left his wife 30 years later was not
• 1:09:48
  Caucasian. My grandmother, Midwest old
• 1:09:53
  school boy did she see. Now my grandmother didn't have a
• 1:09:56
  racist bone in her body as far as I knew, and as far as I was
• 1:10:00
  was around her as a child and growing into my adult years.
• 1:10:04
  But somewhere deep rooted, she has some serious hate for what
• 1:10:07
  my mother did and how she did it for the amount of years she did
• 1:10:10
  it. And my grandmother let her know
• 1:10:12
  that every time she would come visit.
• 1:10:13
  Because when you have Alzheimer's, you remember things
• 1:10:17
  and you don't. I would go visit my grandmother.
• 1:10:20
  I'd walk in the room. Who are you, Christopher?
• 1:10:23
  Oh, Christopher. Oh, what do you do, realtor?
• 1:10:27
  Oh, that's perfect. You should do that.
• 1:10:29
  You gift a gab. When you were five years old or
• 1:10:31
  whatever, you got in trouble, and I was scolding you.
• 1:10:34
  And by the time you got done explaining why you did what you
• 1:10:36
  did and how it was right that you did it, I was just so tired.
• 1:10:38
  And I said whatever. We'd have a conversation, she'd
• 1:10:42
  look away. This is the sad part of
• 1:10:44
  Alzheimer's. She'd look away, looking back at
• 1:10:46
  me. Who are you, Christopher?
• 1:10:49
  Oh, Christopher. Same path 20 times in an hour.
• 1:10:54
  The sad part of Alzheimer's. But there would be moments where
• 1:10:57
  we would have fantastic conversations about who she was
• 1:11:00
  and whatever we talked about. But the dark side of Alzheimer's
• 1:11:03
  is you pull that shit out that that that you never would have
• 1:11:08
  said because you're the type of person you were.
• 1:11:13
  But now Alzheimer's gives you no filter.
• 1:11:15
  Nikki's afraid if I get Alzheimer's.
• 1:11:16
  And I don't have a filter. She's like, your dad can't live
• 1:11:19
  with me. If he gets Alzheimer's, we're
• 1:11:20
  going to put him in a home. There's a lot of truth in that
• 1:11:23
  statement. You know, right, But it's, but
• 1:11:27
  it's, but it was for us because the, the, the violence and the
• 1:11:30
  betrayal and the anger and the pain when we heard stories,
• 1:11:34
  because I, I heard him second hand.
• 1:11:36
  My aunt would tell me, my cousin would tell me, man, she would
• 1:11:40
  just shred her. It's like to be a family on the
• 1:11:42
  wall. I just thought about that man
• 1:11:44
  Fuck, I barely have a filter now.
• 1:11:46
  You know. It'd be ugly.
• 1:11:48
  But yeah, but it, it's just it's, you know.
• 1:11:52
  Well, you know, the story you told about being a little boy
• 1:11:55
  and sitting there is it's a very harsh thing that I say and I try
• 1:12:01
  not to say it a lot, but I really feel like it's true.
• 1:12:04
  If you still are a Christian, he is the most absentee father in
• 1:12:11
  the history of the universe. Hey, man, why would why would we
• 1:12:16
  have a Saint Jude's commercial every half hour on my television
• 1:12:22
  for these poor kids that have cancer?
• 1:12:24
  You know, there's a lot of things that you just can't
• 1:12:26
  explain. And it it all goes back to I
• 1:12:30
  think that there's some kind of order.
• 1:12:34
  I just think there's so much more about what's going on
• 1:12:38
  around us that we don't see or hear, you know?
• 1:12:43
  Yeah. Because one.
• 1:12:45
  Go ahead. No, I'm, I was just going to say
• 1:12:47
  it. When you and I were growing up,
• 1:12:49
  they thought there was, you know, 4 dimensions or whatever.
• 1:12:51
  Now they know there's 12 or 23 or whatever.
• 1:12:54
  It's like we keep evolving and learning about the landscape
• 1:12:57
  around us, right? The other, the other thing too,
• 1:13:00
  like when, when growing up in the Christian Church, you, you
• 1:13:05
  know, everybody's, oh, rapture, revelation, Jesus is coming
• 1:13:08
  back. Well, the only time Jesus come
• 1:13:09
  back is, is when every human on the planet has an opportunity to
• 1:13:13
  decide yes or no. That's why you have
• 1:13:16
  missionaries. That's why missionaries began
• 1:13:18
  because they have to get the word.
• 1:13:19
  They got to spread the word to every single person.
• 1:13:21
  Good. Luck getting to that island over
• 1:13:23
  there by India where those people just kill you when you
• 1:13:26
  get within 50 yards of the shore.
• 1:13:29
  Where I'm going this though is, is you have to be of age to be
• 1:13:33
  able to make that conscious decision.
• 1:13:35
  Belief or no belief, yes or no, right?
• 1:13:39
  That poses the question that you just touched on with children,
• 1:13:43
  if the children, if the child cannot make a, a determination
• 1:13:46
  between what's what's, what's faith and what's not faith was
• 1:13:50
  do I believe or do I don't believe?
• 1:13:51
  They have to be able to in their minds to consciously make a
• 1:13:54
  decision. Yes, I believe in Jesus.
• 1:13:57
  No, I don't believe in Jesus, which has got to be, I don't
• 1:13:59
  know, 7-8 years old. I think a little man 6.
• 1:14:03
  I think he could maybe, but he still wouldn't fully understand,
• 1:14:07
  right the magnitude of that. That I didn't understand at 13.
• 1:14:11
  Right. So that's what I'm saying.
• 1:14:12
  I don't have to. Think like that now.
• 1:14:15
  Right. So you have the person has to be
• 1:14:16
  consciously able to make the decision.
• 1:14:18
  Yes, I believe. No, I don't believe.
• 1:14:21
  So based on what we said earlier, 25 should be minimum,
• 1:14:24
  right? That's your fully.
• 1:14:25
  Formed frontal cortex. So anybody under 25, why, why,
• 1:14:29
  why would they get cancer and suffer and pain and die and all
• 1:14:32
  that kind of shit if, if they don't have the, the, the mindset
• 1:14:35
  to make that conscious decision? To quote the church lady, could
• 1:14:40
  it be? Satan.
• 1:14:44
  Come on, you got to give me that one.
• 1:14:46
  Oh yeah, yeah. So.
• 1:14:50
  You know the Pope denounced hell not that long ago, what, 10
• 1:14:54
  years ago? Because because he wants
• 1:14:55
  purgatory, man, it's purgatory. All right, we're going to wrap
• 1:15:00
  this up. Nicky's getting home.
• 1:15:01
  I. Hear we made pee by.
• 1:15:02
  Sure, my dad made people think I got to pee, you got to eat and.
• 1:15:05
  I'm starving. Remember, boys and girls, if
• 1:15:09
  this episode made you feel suicidal or depressed, it's not
• 1:15:11
  our fault you have something putting this off.
• 1:15:14
  So go run and go journal, go screaming a pillow.
• 1:15:17
  Go work out. Go do something that's going to
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  change your mindset. Suicide's not the option.
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  Too many people have done that, been there and and it just
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  affects the life. You leave a hole in somebody's
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  heart. Don't listen to us, but listen
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  to us. No, yeah, text 988.
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  Somebody's there to help you talk off that ledge and, and,
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  and get you get your mind right. So you, you wake up tomorrow and
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  it's a better day because tomorrow is always a better day
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  with you in it for the Christian Mike show.
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  I'm Christy's Mike. Nothing but love, brother.
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  Great conversation. And I, I think it's important
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  for people to understand we just had a conversation about
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  religion and nobody got heated. So you can do it.
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  Exactly. Nobody got heated.
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  Nobody. Have a great rest of your
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  evening my friend. Yeah, you too, brother.
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  Peace. Peace.
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  The place where you. Will.
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  Go behind. Your eyes take
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  a moment. The.
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  The now you're turning come down here.
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  We haven't found solids in the exam from fighting.
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  Wait for the day. Wait.
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  It's closer out here. But in the wind, if you ain't no
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  quizzes, we're playing. Smile you should.
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  You put it on the almighty day. You got a dream.
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  Who in your life to keep on going everywhere?
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  Take your trip behind your eyes. Feel the soul evolution now.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Take a moment. Look at you.
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  See him fight your family. To you more clear.
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  You gotta, you gotta. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.
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  The.