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Is There Kosher Food at Ben-Gurion Airport? · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of the Mom Wars. Here's Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to your most favorite podcast, which
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  Speaker 2: took an absurdly long break, and for that we are
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  Speaker 2: deeply apologetic, but we promised you we would be back,
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  Speaker 2: and we are in fact back. I am your co host,
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Mandel, a mom of six and a frequent writer
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  Speaker 2: for The New York Post and The Washington Examiner and
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  Speaker 2: whoever else asks me to write. I'm very easy that way,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm joined by my beautiful, very pregnant co.
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  Speaker 3: Host, Para Kennedy. Although I'm kind of not as pregnant.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm just about to give birth. I'm
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  Speaker 3: actually thirty one weeks really, that's it. Yeah, And I
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  Speaker 3: have no idea how I have nine weeks left, Like
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  Speaker 3: in my head like I'm going to give birth tomorrow now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, You're actually going to get much bigger. That
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  Speaker 2: baby is like going to triple in size probably right.
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  Speaker 3: I've gained eight pounds this week, so I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how much bigger I can get. I also just had
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  Speaker 3: three months around of bullstoneses days, so it's not goal.
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  Speaker 3: But I just feel like you know when you get
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  Speaker 3: to that point, like I've still toed to in Ice
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  Speaker 3: all the time, so apologies if you can hear me
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  Speaker 3: two and ice. And that was like my signal last
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  Speaker 3: time that I was like very close.
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  Speaker 2: Well I wanted to talk an very close.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know I'm stressed anyway, So we took
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  Speaker 3: this ridiculously long break because the two of us were traveling,
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  Speaker 3: and I wrote about my trip for the mom Wars substack.
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  Speaker 2: I beg people to subscribe but you don't actually have
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  Speaker 2: to subscribe to read it. If we're just being honest,
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  Speaker 2: you can just read it. And I posted all about
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  Speaker 2: it on my Instagram. So I'm going to take a
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  Speaker 2: backseat to your trip home.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I went to Wales. It was darker and cold
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  Speaker 3: and wet. It I remembered and the last time I
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  Speaker 3: went to Wales, so the only other time I've gone
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  Speaker 3: to Wales since I've lived in America was in July.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so that jaded me. I was. I was
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  Speaker 3: very shocked that Britain is so dark and dump but
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  Speaker 3: overall it went very well. The flight there was amazing.
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  Speaker 3: My fifteen month old slept the whole way. Another fifteen
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  Speaker 3: month old sat next to me screamed the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: But that's fine. If it's not.
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  Speaker 2: That's not your that's not your problem.
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  Speaker 3: If it's not your kid. Like people were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that must have been so annoying because they kept you up.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care. I just care that it's not my kid.
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  Speaker 3: So that was great. The mother next to me really
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  Speaker 3: sad story. So she had this fifteen month old that
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  Speaker 3: was screaming, and then she kind of felt bad that
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  Speaker 3: my fifteen month old had to sleep through her fifteen
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  Speaker 3: month old scream.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I stopped, so who cares?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. But I started talking to her and she
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  Speaker 3: was talking about how so she was with a woman
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  Speaker 3: who died of cancer when she was pregnant, and she
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  Speaker 3: has an embryo left, and she was debating whether to
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  Speaker 3: get pregnant with the with the embryo of her and
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  Speaker 3: her wife. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, So okay, so.
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  Speaker 3: I'm at the point of pregnancy that I know I.
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  Speaker 2: Think this is not your fault, this is this is biology.
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  Speaker 3: So so with lesbian couples, usually they'll do like a
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  Speaker 3: couple embryos with random you know, with like both women's
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  Speaker 3: thing and then you just choose and you don't know
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  Speaker 3: who it is. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, that's news to me. Yeah, so she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know who the biological baby is. Is it hers or
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  Speaker 2: is it her wife's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't know. They don't know. I'm sure. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure that they work it out, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But I have several friends who are like two women
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  Speaker 2: in there together, but they know who who the who
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  Speaker 2: the baby mama is?
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  Speaker 3: Really Yeah, Oh that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Because it seems like a lot of work to both
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  Speaker 2: of you extract your eggs.
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  Speaker 5: And then really, I think it's the same case because
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  Speaker 5: I've been doing a lot with surrogacy right now. I
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  Speaker 5: think it's just like all of the not all of
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  Speaker 5: but a lot of the men who I've spoken to who.
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  Speaker 2: So the man it makes sense because it's not it's
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  Speaker 2: not hard to extract sperm, but it's very hard to
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  Speaker 2: extract an egg.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: These people had a lot of money. They owned like
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  Speaker 3: many houses in California. I support them, But but anyway,
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  Speaker 3: the wife is dead. And the woman was flying on
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  Speaker 3: her own with a fifteen month old and was debating
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  Speaker 3: whether to have another baby, and she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's really hard work. So I'm going home to Britain
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  Speaker 3: because I realized that it doesn't have to be this
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  Speaker 3: hard and I can just move back for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years, have supportive family, and work out if I
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  Speaker 3: want another child. And I was like, I support this.
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  Speaker 3: This is a very wise decision because I feel like people,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people make it harder than it needs
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  Speaker 3: to be, and sometimes you can just choose the easy thing,
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  Speaker 3: which is being close to family. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, I know of not I do not know of
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  Speaker 2: such things because I've never lived in your family.
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  Speaker 3: Well neither well so Nick and I aren't near any family,
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  Speaker 3: and we've made it work. But if I was really
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  Speaker 3: really struggling and like might say my wife died or something,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the option is there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, So how long were you there?
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  Speaker 3: For two weeks?
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  Speaker 2: What's a good time?
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  Speaker 3: And then we had a nightmare trip back. So the
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  Speaker 3: whole trip is in my head now, the whole trip
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  Speaker 3: is just the trip back, and I'm like, I'm never
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  Speaker 3: getting on a plane again, I'm never leaving the country again.
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  Speaker 3: I'm definitely never flying with Virgin Atlantic again, that is
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  Speaker 3: for sure. Oh no, it was horrific.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that age is by far the hardest
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  Speaker 2: to travel with. Yeah, are super active and they're not
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  Speaker 2: old enough to be sucked into a screen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the problem was she did perfectly. The
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  Speaker 3: airline put up barriers for us at every step, and
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  Speaker 3: just like it was like they've never had a child
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  Speaker 3: on their flight before. It was like this is the
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  Speaker 3: first kid that they've ever seen, and they just didn't
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  Speaker 3: know what to do. So they refused our car seats.
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  Speaker 2: Did you buy her seat?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a seat bought for her. That was
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  Speaker 3: good that her car seat was going to go into
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  Speaker 3: And she.
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  Speaker 2: Was, oh that's illegal. What yes, if you if you
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  Speaker 2: bought a seat for her, that's illegal for them to
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  Speaker 2: take her car seat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they took it up. Well, they said that, Oh
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  Speaker 3: I thought you meant what I did was not.
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  Speaker 2: What they did was like what I did was right.
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  Speaker 3: They said that the brand of her car seat isn't
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  Speaker 3: one of the ones that.
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  Speaker 2: They incorrect, Like what, No, it has to be FA
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  Speaker 2: approved and every car seat on the market is FA approved.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, well then I'm owed a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money. Yeah you should.
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  Speaker 2: You should affirm that I'm correct. I'm ninety eight percent sure,
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  Speaker 2: I am ok. And then contact the dot and make
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  Speaker 2: a complaint against Virgin because that's not no.
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  Speaker 3: It was. It was horrific because she doesn't sleep on us.
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  Speaker 3: And then the the issued us was like coming over
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  Speaker 3: to a when she was like, oh my god, the
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  Speaker 3: baby was so tired. All she wanted to do was sleep,
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  Speaker 3: so she fell asleep on the floor then and then
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  Speaker 3: because we had the bulkheads, so we went to the
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  Speaker 3: room and she had like a pillow and a blanket
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  Speaker 3: and she finally went asleep, and then they said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: she's not allowed to sleep on the floor. You have
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  Speaker 3: to wake her up. That was after four hours of screaming.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, just just just just leave me alone.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a horrible Issuetis who kept coming over
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  Speaker 3: and just like beard annoying, and she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you're so pregnant, Like how are you feeling right now?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like I had to not say like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I want to strangle you right now
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  Speaker 3: because you're making my life hell. So it was horrible.
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  Speaker 3: And there's also New Years Eve.
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  Speaker 2: How we felt on the same day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a cheap line because it was New
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  Speaker 3: Years Eve.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So how was your trip? I'm just going to be
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  Speaker 3: negative about it because the flight home.
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  Speaker 2: So it was good. So we had like a marathon
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  Speaker 2: trip home, so both ways. Because of the war in Iran,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't able to buy I needed to buy our
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  Speaker 2: ticket when we bought it for like other reasons. So
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  Speaker 2: but it was not possible to buy a ticket to
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  Speaker 2: Israel when I purchased our tickets, and so I follow
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  Speaker 2: And so they sent me. They send like a couple
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  Speaker 2: of airfare deals a day usually if you're a member,
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  Speaker 2: and so I got a deal. It was the cheapest
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  Speaker 2: that Greece had ever been in like five years, and
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  Speaker 2: it was like four twenty a ticket or something crazy.
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  Speaker 2: When you're buying eight tickets, that's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: So I bought the tickets to and from Greece, and
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  Speaker 2: then later on when Israeli airspace, I bought Athens to
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  Speaker 2: Tel Aviv. So on the way there, we had a
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  Speaker 2: stopover in Copenhagen. It was three hours, and then we
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  Speaker 2: went to Greece and we were in Greece for a
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  Speaker 2: week and we did this like children's Greek mythology tour
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  Speaker 2: of Greece. It was amazing. And so then from there
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  Speaker 2: we took a hop to Israel, and then we were
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  Speaker 2: in Israel for over a month. On the way home,
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  Speaker 2: because I had bought these legs separately, we flew from
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  Speaker 2: Tel Aviv to Athens, spent the night in Athens, and
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  Speaker 2: then the next morning flew from Athens to Copenhagen, and
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  Speaker 2: then we had an overnight stopover again in Copenhagen, so
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  Speaker 2: this is now two overnight stopovers, and then we flew
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  Speaker 2: home from Copenhagen to Washington. The travel guards smiled on
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  Speaker 2: us a great deal. We had great trips. The airline
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  Speaker 2: was great. We flew Sas, which apparently sometimes does kids
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  Speaker 2: fly free promos, and I'm breathlessly waiting for that promotion
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  Speaker 2: because I'm going to snatch up. But it was great.
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  Speaker 2: It was It was too long of a trip, if
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  Speaker 2: I'm just being honest. It was really hard being away
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  Speaker 2: from home for that much time and not having stability.
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  Speaker 2: Working remotely for that amount of time was very hard
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  Speaker 2: because I was like touring with the kids during the
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  Speaker 2: day and working at night, and I do that here,
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  Speaker 2: but it feels different because like I can keep up
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  Speaker 2: with stuff on my phone. I couldn't really do that there.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of things like we're very exhausting and grading
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  Speaker 2: like driving. I compare it to like when you're driving
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  Speaker 2: through like at night, when you're driving through a rainstorm
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  Speaker 2: and you get to where you are and you're like, oho,
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  Speaker 2: that took a lot out of me. Really, it was
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  Speaker 2: really physically mentally exhausting. It's like that driving all the
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  Speaker 2: time in Israel because they're so insane and so reckless.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like I was defensively driving for my life
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  Speaker 2: every time I got behind the wheel.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so it was just it was. It was
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful trip, but six weeks was double the amount
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  Speaker 2: of time we should have done it. In retrospect, we
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  Speaker 2: never would have been able to do Greece also, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad we did it, but I can't imagine a
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  Speaker 2: scenario that I would plan a six week vacation ever
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  Speaker 2: again because it's just too long.
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  Speaker 3: But it was good. Yeah, I was kind of humbled
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  Speaker 3: with stuff too, Not to say that anything was like bad,
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  Speaker 3: but I feel like I didn't think a lot of
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  Speaker 3: stuff through and made some aspects of it like miserable
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  Speaker 3: for all of us for no reason, just because I
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  Speaker 3: just like didn't put enough thought into it. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that it's kind of it's kind of hard because
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  Speaker 3: you want to be like, oh, motherhood is so easy,
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  Speaker 3: Like traveling with baby is actually fine. But I think
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  Speaker 3: that there is a foolishness in thinking that it can
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  Speaker 3: be as spontaneous. Yeah, and it would be without children,
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  Speaker 3: because just like a, I need a bit more thought
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  Speaker 3: into some things would have made it much better. So
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  Speaker 3: I know it the next time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty meticulous about my planning. The document
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  Speaker 2: that I made for our trip was like ten pages,
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  Speaker 2: and it was it was every it was every hotel,
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  Speaker 2: every everything. Like I'm I'm pretty careful about that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: There was like a couple of things that were changed
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  Speaker 2: close to our trip that we're annoying, Like the hotel
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  Speaker 2: we were supposed to stay in in Athens on our
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  Speaker 2: way home, they closed unexpectedly because they had to do
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  Speaker 2: like emergency renovations, and so they put us like an
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  Speaker 2: hour away from where we had planned to stay, Like
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  Speaker 2: we planned to stay next to the airport, and then
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  Speaker 2: they moved us like into town, and that was annoying
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  Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't need to be close
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  Speaker 2: to the Parthenon. I need to be close to the airport.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're traveling with six kids and there's eight
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  Speaker 2: of you, it really limits a lot of stuff that
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  Speaker 2: you can do with hotels especially, and so we were
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuck. There was like very few hotels in
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  Speaker 2: Athens that could accommodate us, and because it was two adults,
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  Speaker 2: we couldn't I couldn't even get three rooms. Like in Copenhagen.
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  Speaker 2: They broke the rules and they let us have four rooms,
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  Speaker 2: but they had to be adjoining. The two rooms had
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  Speaker 2: to be adjoining, so we had pairs of adjoining rooms.
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  Speaker 2: But like it's not legal for kids to be alone
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  Speaker 2: in a hotel room, so you have to I had
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  Speaker 2: to find hotels that I could put four people in
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  Speaker 2: each room, and that's really hard. That was like the
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  Speaker 2: most mental load of the trip was putting that stuff together.
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  Speaker 2: And like car services was really difficult, and mental cars
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  Speaker 2: in Israel was really difficult because there was eight of us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's yeah, that's crazy. I mean, it makes my
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  Speaker 3: planet look pretty fathetic conveyed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you work up to it and like
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  Speaker 2: maybe you don't have six kids. Yeah, But the other
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  Speaker 2: hard thing was traveling with all the car seats too.
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  Speaker 2: But I will say, I use the car seat bags
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  Speaker 2: as extra free luggage, so I'm not going to.
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  Speaker 3: Come did you have to take six car seats?
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  Speaker 2: My older two kids, I let them not be in boosters,
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  Speaker 2: even though they're in boosters at home. I just didn't
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  Speaker 2: put them in boosters.
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  Speaker 3: So you took full car seats. How did you even
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  Speaker 3: carry that around?
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  Speaker 2: I took two car seats and two boosters, so my
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  Speaker 2: older two kids were not in boosters, my middle two
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  Speaker 2: kids were in boosters, and then my old my younger
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  Speaker 2: two kids were in car seats. So we have two
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  Speaker 2: car seat bags, one of which is on wheels so
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  Speaker 2: the kids can push it, and we put a booster
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  Speaker 2: inside that bag with the car seat. But I use
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  Speaker 2: that bag as an extra like I put diapers in it,
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  Speaker 2: I put wipes in it. And it's very helpful to
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  Speaker 2: have because it's a massive bag that I can stuff
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  Speaker 2: like pretty big things in and we've only ever got
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  Speaker 2: nailed on doing that once. Because you're not supposed to
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  Speaker 2: put other things in it. It's only supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: for car seats, but I use it as an extra
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  Speaker 2: bag that I don't have to pay for.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very anti airline now. Like I saw a post
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  Speaker 3: in the airports?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should treat us better.
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  Speaker 3: And then yeah, how about you don't treat the whole
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  Speaker 3: the whole airport experience now is designed to make you
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, oh, let me.
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  Speaker 3: have like a couple inches more life.
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  Speaker 2: Room, like yeah, and like marginally better food. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's it's horrific, the whole thing. I will say, I
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  Speaker 2: want to put a plug out for Copenhagen Airport. I
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  Speaker 2: have never had an easier experience, and it made me
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  Speaker 2: angry to think that we could have this in America
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  Speaker 2: and we just choose not to. We didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: take any of the electronics out of the bags, which
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  Speaker 2: when you think about eight people and we all had
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  Speaker 2: an iPad or a laptop or sometimes multiple like my
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  Speaker 2: older kids and us, we had our laptops and iPads whatever,
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  Speaker 2: you have to take everything out, but in Copenhagen you don't.
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  Speaker 2: You just put it into the machine and they we
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  Speaker 2: walked right through. Liquids. Wasn't at all a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: No one flagged us on liquids. They're like, yeah, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: you have kids, let's just say it's fine. There was
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: trolleys everywhere and they don't charge you for it, and
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: so you can just like grab a trolley. And it
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: just made because everyone had a heavy backpack and it
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: was so easy to just throw everyone's bags on too
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: trolleys and call it a day and they had a
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: playground in the International's departure area and it was a
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: mob scene and it was so fun and the kids
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: were running around and me and the other parents were
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: looking at each other and were like, this is great
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: because they're all getting all of this out before they
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: get on the plane. And it's like, my only complaint
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: was there wasn't really food in the airport, so that
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: was hard. But Copenhagen, like Sean Duffy needs to go
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: and just replicate that, because every part of it was
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: just so easy, and I slapped myself, Oh, this is
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: what it could be like.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: We went through the playground in heathrowap and it was incredible.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that one's a good one too. Israeli
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: security was I mean, of course, like people try to
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: blow them up on the rag, but it was really
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: really obnoxious and they It's like, I think we gave
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: ourselves like three and a half hours, which I don't
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: ever do at an airport, but because it's Israel, I
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: knew we had to give ourselves that amount of time.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: And we gave ourselves three and a half hours and
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: we walked up as we were boarding. You have to
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: just talk to so many people and flat like, go
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: through your bags and then they have to bring it
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to this person and this person. And we made the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: mistake of I think it was my fault. We left
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: one of my kids backpacks in the airport on our
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: way there, and I spent weeks fighting with Bengaian Airport
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And the only reason we got her bag back was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: because I had an air tag in it and they
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: kept claiming it. I'm like, I can see it. It's
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: right here, it's next to the Lego store. And I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: argued with a million people before I finally found someone
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: competent on my third try, and she was like, yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of course I know exactly where that is. It's like
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: with the Lost and Family. I'm like, yeah, I know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I know. And she's like, why why is this Why
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: haven't you come and got it, Like it's been here
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: sitting here for a month. I'm like, oh, this is
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: my third attempt. So, I mean, Israel just makes me
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: more anti Semitic.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Tell me about the car the car key issue.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Oh god, so the car key So it HiT's too
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: traumatize in Yeah, So I don't know whose fault this is.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I have. I have a hunch, so in on in
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Athens on our way home. So this is our first
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: of two layovers. I stay to Seth Do you have
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the keys to get in the house? And he was like, no,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I do not, and I was like I do not either,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and we were both like, the house is locked, right,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And so we had a friend go over to the
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: house and it was indeed locked, and she accidentally set
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: off our alarm. Actually I had an AirTag again on
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: my keys, and it indicated that they were here at
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: home in America, and so I called a locksmith who
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: is like a member of our Jewish community here, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: so there was like trust there and I was like, listen,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I am abroad. I need you to unlock my house
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: now so that it's open when we get home. Like
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be standing there and waiting for
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you to unlock our house when we get home with
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: six kids getting off a flight from Copenhagen. So he
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: agreed to do it, because you know, I had a
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: friend who he knew vouch that I was me and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: this was really my house. We get in the house,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I paid the keys, and I find only the air tag,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: not the keys, in a child's bed and so we
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: spent days looking for the keys under her bed, in
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: coat pockets, all of those things. They're gone. We're supposed
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to go to my in laws tomorrow, and so we
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: need our We need our regular car. We have Seth's car,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: which is like, you know, a little sedan, which I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: can like go back and forth to like you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the supermarket or whatever, but I can't bring half my children.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yesterday I became embroiled in another locksmith saga trying to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: make a copy of my keys for my car without
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a set and I learned that there's like a weird
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Israeli ring of people who make cars like car keys.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And we had we had a guy who came who
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: wasn't able to do it, who spent hours doing it,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and he was Afghani, so obviously he couldn't do it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: And then I think the answer is so he couldn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: override the security system, and I think he just wasn't
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: ghetto enough, Like you need someone who just does not
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: care about it from it all, Yeah, you need a criminal.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And so then I called the Israeli and the Israeli
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: figure that what.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: So you have it?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I haven't driven the car yet because I'm
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: kind of nervous because, like what if the key just
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: like stops working, like in the middle of like me driving,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So I haven't driven it yet.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious. That lost the keys, I suspect.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the child who's key whose
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: bed it was found in.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: You have the patience of a saints.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty pretty ticked off, but I can't.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It's the loosing of the bags and the kindle, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: it would it would literally drive me over the edge.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty annoyed. And it's the same child,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: and it's the usual suspect, and I'm pretty annoyed. Actually,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: no one child lost the kindle in Athens. That it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm talking about a different child who I think
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: lost the bag in Tel Aviv and whose bed the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: key air tag was found in. And that child is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: my usual suspect of of people who things disappear with.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: So neither of us ever going to travel again.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you? I I thought when you mentioned
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Carr that you would talk about my Nazareth experience. I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: want to share that ridiculous story also, So we decided
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that we were going to go to Nazareth, on Christmas
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Eve because there's usually like lots of Christmas stuff going on,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: and Seth, being the nice Jewish boy he is, loves Christmas.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: The place that we were staying at told us that
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: there's usually stuff on Christmas Eve, so we decided to go.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And I put into my ways into like the GPS,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the main church in Nazareth, and I found out the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: hard way that the Arab community often do not listen
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to building code rule laws and so they just like
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: build things and that it's not legal. And so I
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: was driving down a road to the church that quickly
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: became an alley and then it became too narrow for
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a car, and that was like three quarters of the
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: way down the street that it became an impassable alley
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and our car, thank god, I got like the top
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of the line insurance when we rented the car. Our
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: car just scraped against the wall of this building and
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: it was so loud. It sounded so like people came
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: down to check what was going on, and I was
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: afraid to say I was Jewish, So I was Catholic
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: for that forty five minutes. And this like forty year
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: old guy who normally owns a who normally owns a
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: like souvenir shop came down, so his English was impeccable.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And then a seventeen year old kid who spoke zero English,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and they're talking in Arabic and I don't understand a
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: word of what they're saying. And the forty year old
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: looks at me and he was like, he could back
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you out, And I was like, down thirty three quarters
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: of a mile down an alley, he can back me out.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, I guess, so, so.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: That stayed in.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I was driving this whole time, so the kids stayed
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: in the car because I was like, I don't know
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: what's more unsafe, like walking around in this alley at
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: night in Nazareth or like being in a car. So
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I decided that they should stay with their father. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: so I got out of the car, gave my keys
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to the seventeen year old, and I walked behind the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: car with the forty year old souvenir shop guy and
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: he was like, well, it's weird that you came here
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: for Christmas eve, Like there's nothing here this year, like
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: because of the war, Like I closed my souvenir shop
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: because there's so few tourists and this is like my
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: heavy season usually, and I was.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you know, we're spending we're spending Jesus's birthday
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: in Bethlehem, but you know, we wanted to see Nazareth
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, gee, this is Jesus's land and you
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: know Mary's, and we just wanted to We just wanted
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: to be where Jesus was. And I was like really
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: laying it on very thick, and I don't think he
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: believed me because my Keber was like a little too
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: good to be like this.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Random Christian family. But but he backed us out three
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: quarters of a mile and gave me the keys back
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and we survived.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: But it was like one of the scarier moments of
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: my life when I realized, like, I'm literally stuck between
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: two buildings in Nazareth at night in an alley with
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: all of my children, and I don't know.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: What to do. I will you you have you were
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: very resilient, because overall you'll be like, oh, it was great,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: ten out of ten recommend and then you'll just tell
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: me these snippets and I'm like, any one of these
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: moments would have literally driven me off the edge, Like
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I would have had a stroke.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I was. I was pretty traumatized
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: by the Nazareth thing because it really it could have
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: gone it could have gone really south, like these two
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Like I'm stuck in an alley, these two Arab guys
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: come up. You know, I pretended to be Christian for
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a reason. Like, yeah, really could have gone south, but
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: it didn't. We had a great time otherwise stressful. It
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: was so stressful. Yeah, it was I I felt like
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I was gonna throw up. And it was funny because
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: afterwards the kids like really had no idea how dangerous
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: that was. And I didn't have time to like turn
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: around after like before I gave my keys to this
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: kid and be like, don't see anything. Yeah, Like, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they're unfortunately, they're used to being told like play it
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: cool on the jew stuff whenever we go to Europe,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: when we were in Athens for a week, and we
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: told them to play it cool on the juice store. No.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: So in Nazareth they did not wear their keepers for
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this reason, and they were baseball caps instead because it
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: is all Arab and so they were not wearing their kipas,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: which you know was by design. But those little kids,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you know, like the one of the they tease each
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: other about a lot of stuff that was like recurring
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: from the trip, and one of them was that one
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: of my kids they were all amazed that like most
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: things were kosher, because here most things are not kosher.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And so one of my kids had asked at one point,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: because we were going to Bengury and one of the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: many times to try to get this bag back, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: he was like, I'm hungry, do you think they have
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: kosher food at BEng Garine Airport? And all of my
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: other kids were like, that's the stupidest question you've ever asked.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: And so that was like one of the things. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: like that's one of the things they kept on talking
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: about over and over was do you think there's kosher food?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And Beannggarian Airport? Was the way of saying, like, duh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: of course this thing is true.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Do you think any do you suspect that any of
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: your kids will not be like observed and Jews when
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: they yet?
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I I think it's likely, like just the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: odds one and six.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know who it is?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I think I know who it won't be my oldest daughter, Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: sure will not go off, go off the path is
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: what we say, go off the Derrah. She is my Sidakis,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: she's my saint. If I were to guess, I would
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: say one of my older sons, probably because they kind
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: of resent the rules, so I wouldn't be surprised if
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: one of my and I don't really care, it matters
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to me that they're like that they marry Jewish. That
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: would really bother me. If one of my kids didn't
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: marry Jewish, that would really bother me. But like I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: have family that aren't religious, and like it's just like
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to each us their own, like whatever you do, you
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: but it would really bother me if one of my
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: kids didn't marry Jewish. Why just because like this is
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the most important thing, like you know, we're a member
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of the Jewish people. And especially if one of the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: boys marries out, then the so Judaism is past matrilineally.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And so if my sons marry a non jew like
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: their kids aren't Jewish, and that's awful. I don't want that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I want all Jewish grandchildren. But I mean, like it
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: can be done. You can marry someone that's just like not,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: but the key is you can't. And this is. This
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: is my dating advice to everyone. Never date someone that
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't marry, Like it's not just for fun. Yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I never really.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Like what it wouldn't occur to me to I mean.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: The number of people I know that are like, oh yeah,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: we just like started dating, as if it's like an
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: accident that you started dating someone, Like, No, that is
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a that is a decision you made with thought.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Well, it's the people. For me, I'm writing a piece
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: right now that it involves interviewing a lot of different
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: women who don't want kids. I saw you ask mister,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: and it's interesting to me how long people can be
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: in a relationship with somebody without even It's wild, like
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: how has it been six years and you've never mentioned it?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: It's so like what did you talk about?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: What? It's wild? I mean the number of people I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: know that dates I mean, this is another one of
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: my like real solid dating pieces of advice is don't
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: date someone longer than like nine months without having the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: conversation of like when is this when are we getting married?
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Or like this is over because you know very quickly
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: if this is a person or not, so why waste
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: your time? And then you get attached and don't get attached. Yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: if it's right, marry them. If it's not, then move on.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: But like, these like years long relationships that people enter
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: into are inexplicable to me because it's just it's torture.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: You're wasting your time.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. I don't understand it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either, but I think you and I
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: also like, we met our person very young and we
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: just jumped in had like feet first.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we kind of have similar insane stories, and I
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: forget how insane they are because I'm just like, oh,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: it feels so normal to me. But actually, when everybody
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's kind of an insane thing to do,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: now I look back and it's because it's been three years,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, they kind of right, it was insane.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I think that too. We were talking about that actually
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: in Israel because Seth and I went on vacation there
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: when we were just dating and we knew we were
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: going to get married immediately, but this was the first
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: time that we had been there. Oh no, wait, we
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: were there when we were pregnant too, but this was
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: only the second time we were there. And I was
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: thinking and I said it a lot because we repeated
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a couple of things that we did when we were dating,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and there I was like, I didn't really know you
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: at all. I didn't understand that everything that you did
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: was actually very out of character, like the spontaneity and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the like jumping in feet first and all the like
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: all the crazy things we did. That is not who
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: you are. And I love the one that I dated,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and I also love this one, but we're not the
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: same person.
• 34:12
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• 34:18
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• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Can I tell you about my night last night because
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I feel like it ties into this conversation Because I
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: went to a prenatal yoga class last night, which was
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: very good. It was also very insane. It was like
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I walked in and they were like, hey, mama, Bay,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: take a space because you deserve to role and you
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: deserve to be it. And I was like, oh, no,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: this is not the place for me. No, And then
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: we all had to go around in a circle hotel
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: our ages and whether this was our first child and
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: kind of why we're here, and me being the twenty
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: seven year old second time pregnant woman was very weird
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: because every single other person there was a first time
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: mom lait thirty nine and like forty two, yeah, yeah,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: and you hear this, but I didn't actually think that
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: it was true. Yeah, but that was great. That was
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: so crazy to me.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I So it was funny. When I was
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: pregnant with my oldest I was initially for like almost
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the entire pregnancy, actually seeing a practice in New York
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: City and they gave me like a fact sheet about,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: you know, this is what you can expect every week
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: from our office, and there was an amnio on it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm sorry, what I need an
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: amnio at twenty seven for a low risk pregnancy. And
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: the OBI was like, no, you don't, and she she
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: kind of took a minute and said, I don't remember
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the last time I've had a patient in her twenties.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm sorry, what she's like, My
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: youngest patients usually are ten years older than you.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I just spoke about, uh this with MYOBI
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: because I was nosy, and I saw a viral post
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: on Twister about how the ACOG, the American whatever Gynecology
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: is going to increase the advanced maternal age, which is
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: jerry atric pregnancy to forty what. So then I contacted
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: ACOG and they said, oh no, we've actually already been
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: doing this since twenty twenty one. We implemented this in
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, I think. So
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: it's true they have increased advanced maternal age to forty
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: and they did it a couple of years ago quietly,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I guess, without like having many people.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, they certainly didn't tell any of my providers
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: because I was called advanced maternal age during my last pregnancies.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Well, this is so. I spoke to my Obi and
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: she still thought it was thirty five. So yeah, like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: but I mean, they sent me this press release whatever,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and I was just interested in that because it seems
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: to me like that is an entirely cultural change, not
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a scientific one, because the risks of a forty year
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: old getting pregnant haven't changed, it's just the cultural feeling
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: around it changed. And also I found out because I
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: was speaking to my Obi for ages about this, is
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: that advice and like what they have to tell you
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: to do varies depends on where you live, so apparently
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: in Virginia, which I found is super interesting because I
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: think of Virginian's is pretty healthy, yeah, and pretty active
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and pretty rich. And my Obi was saying that the
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: guy the official guidelines in Virginia is that a thirty
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: five year old should not go after her JU date
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: because of the statistics in Virginia for people who go
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: over their judate.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it varies place to place, which I didn't realize.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I discovered that that was like kind of an
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: arbitrary thing when I So, I had homebirds for my
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: last couple of kids, and I'm always very late. My
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: last two kids were like I think my old my
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: youngest was eleven days late and my fifth was nine
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: days late. And my midwife, who was like super medical,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: very not what you would think of a midwife, Like
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: she was very interventionist. She had a very low threshold
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: for withstanding risk and on the lateness, she's like, yeah,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: it's fine, And she monitored me very closely, like she
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: was here every single day towards the end. But she
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: was like not concerned at all about the lateness. And
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: then she like had me testing my blood sugar four
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: times a day constantly, despite not actually being diagnosed with
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: gestational diabetes, she still had me doing it. So, I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: don't know, I thought that was interesting.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: That is interesting. I'm also terrified about precimeca, right, now,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: just because I had it in my last pregnancy and
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I've been on a on uh what's that medication? DJ?
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump takes a lot of bad He just talked
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: about how he takes way too much aspirin. Yes, so
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have your every day your baby.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Will have autism? Or is that just Tian?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Don't say that because I'm stressed.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm sorry. I was making a joke because it's.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: No I know, I know it is silly. It is silly,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: but it does make you like, I don't know. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: remember that after the Titan all stuff came out, I
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: tried to go and buy Motrin and all of the
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Motrin was gone, and just the title and always left.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And that's really funny.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Oh damn it.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I always joke that my third kid, his name should
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: have been Zofran because I was on Zofran so much
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: that I should have just named him Zofran because that's
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the reason he exists. And then after he was born,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: all of these warnings came out about Zofran being linked
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: to tart defects, and I was like, if that kid
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: is fine, that's not true. There's no link because that
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: kid only exists by virtue of the fact that I
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: was on zofran pretty much NonStop. That's very interesting that
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: they move that that's all just for feelings. That's a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: really troubling development.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Well, the shops were empty.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Of no that they that they changed the recommendations for feelings.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I actually for your husband. For the Washington Examiner magazine,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I reviewed this book called Do No Harm. And he
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: it's a he's a doctor and he writes a lot
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: about sort of like how politics has infected medicine. And
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I wrote so when I wrote Stolen Youth, my book
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: with Carol Marquis, I wrote the medical chapter and that
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: was by far the scariest chapter. And I find it
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the scariest phenomenon in all of this sort of wokeness
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: infecting different institutions. It's an impact on medicine is terrifying.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because said they're reversible.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And you can't avoid it like I can. I can
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: take my ball and go home with school, with media,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: with anything I want. I can't take my ball and
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: go home if if my kid needs to go to
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the hospital, or if I need to go to the hospital,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: you're just at their mercy and it's really scary. It's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: all been really infected by a lot of this stuff,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and I feel like that is a byproduct of it,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: because women don't want to don't want to know that
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that's bad to have babies older.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Well, that was one of the things in during the
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: prenatal yoga last night. It was very much I'm gonna
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: go back because my back feels better, and I hope
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: that nobody finds me listen this podcast or I'm just
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: flagging them all off. But I walked in and straight
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: away it was all about how doctors are awful, you
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: shouldn't trust them, and I was like, after doing like
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: the Free Birth Investigation, but I was just like, oh
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, I know these people, you know, Like so.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I am a little I'm a little bit on their
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: on their team.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: No, But I mean that is why like the Freebirth
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Society or many other places are so influential, because they're
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: right about so many things, and they are right about
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: so many things. But doctors are actually not all entirely
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: evell and own together, and sometimes you need them, and no,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: sometimes you do need a cease action, you know. And
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: they were talking about how and bearing in mind none
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: of these women had ever had a child before, and
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the I think she was forty two, was talking about
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: how her baby is weighing in the fifteenth percentile and
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: is really small, and they're talking about induced in her
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: at some point because her placenta is not like performing.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty normal when you're older.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And she was like, oh, well, I just
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: feel like so discriminated again.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Now that's just biology, honey, Like, I just feel like
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: everybody's been so nasty to me.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: And I just said there, like, do you do you
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: want a healthy child?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: No, feelings captain tact.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: With my fifth child, I was in a home birth practice,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: or no, it was my fourth. It was my fourth child.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I was in a home birth practice that they did
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: this thing where we had a monthly meeting. I think
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: it was just laziness. That way, they don't have to
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: see everyone individually. They could just take our blood pressure
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: all at once. But we had to have a monthly
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: meeting of everyone who was due the month that you
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: were due, and we all had and it was like
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: a two hour, excruciating appointment. And it was me and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: this was my fourth kid, and it was me and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: everyone else was a first time mom in her late
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: thirties early forties, and I just sat there quietly, like
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I have nothing to prove. I did not want to
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: be there. It was such a waste of my time.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It was awful. I never wanted to see any of
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: these women ever again. But our last appointment was the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: post natal appointment, and it was fascinating because there was
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: eight of us, and four of the women had sea sections,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: who had planned to have home births, And it was
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: wild seeing how humbled all of these women. Yeah, every
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: single of the eight. I was the only one that
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: had the birth that I intended. And I'm not saying
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that to be boastful. I just I knew what birth
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: was like, and so I could anticipate. You know, I
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: have uncomplicated, natural labors that are fairly quick. But all
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of these women went in there with their like I
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: don't want to say this because like there's a lot
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: of people in the birth world who disrespect women and
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: dismiss them, but they went in there certain that every
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: single sea section is unnecessary and all of these things,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: and motherhood has a way of humbling you. It's just
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: deeply and they I just I could not handle how unhumbled.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: They were yet and that last appointment I never wanted
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: it to end. It was unbelievable listening to these women
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: who I had grown to hate with every fiber of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: my being because they were so narcissistic and boastful, just
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: that they're a's handing handed to them by God. And
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, what are the odds of eight women
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: planning on having homebers that four of you had se sections?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, this is so terrible. All four of
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: those women deserved to have their to have it handed
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: to them. They were the worst ones. And I'm like, good,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you really needed to be humbled by God. I think
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: that's why you needed that sea section.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Last night in the Prenattel yoga past, they were all
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: talking about how like, oh, we're going to have the
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: music on and we're going to have handles and stuff.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I just sat there like I was the only place
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: in there that just had a child, which is insane
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: to me because I'm like the twenty seven year old
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: new girl who's never been to prenaip yoga before. Oh
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: my god, so I walked in. This is terrible. This
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: is like I'm really making fun of them now. I
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: really home. None of them find this. So I walked
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: in and one of them were talking about how she
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: needs a third therapist because she has a personal therapist
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: and a work therapist, so like a career therapist. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: then she's having such pregnancy anxiety see that she doesn't
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: feel like her other two therapists can help her with properly,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: so she needs to find a pregnancy therapist. How do
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: you have time for three different therapy appointments a week
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: and pre natal yoga? What do you do it? Oh
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: my god?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: It was so funny when we were talking about like
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: our ideal births. I everyone had like these very in
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: depth theories of how theirs would go, and I was like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I just hope my kids aren't there. That's as long
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: as I can have them vacate the premises, that would
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: be great, and whatever happens, just you know, I hope
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: it goes well. And it was funny because at the end,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I was the last one.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: To to speak, and so.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: It was like I had a c section. I had
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: to be transferred after twenty seven hours of intense labor,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I had my baby in four hours,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: but the four hours were really hard and then I
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: had my baby at home and now and then I
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: went to Trader Joe's the next day, Oh my god,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: and they all hated me. But whatever, I'd pre humbled
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: my motherhood, I didn't need to be humbled again.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I saw on Twitter everybody hating on you because you
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: went to trade your Joe's.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, I need to get out of the house. It's
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: not my husband. My husband can go shopping. I just
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I I need to get out of the house. I
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: need to feel human. At the end, I'm just I'm
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I can't and I'm so I was so afraid that
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I would have a baby in public that i'd stopped
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: going places.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I can get in to the
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: point now. So my last bits was fine. I really
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: enjoyed it. On paper, I think it was a bit
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: more like I was just I just felt raised then
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: and I just didn't really know what was going on.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: And now I'm like, my expectations are just on the
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: floor now compared to last time. I'm just like, as
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: long as my dog can go in the canals and
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I don't have to look at the dog for the
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: week after I get this, As long as like somebody
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: is here to look after the baby. As long as
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I don't need to be cut from hole to hole,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I'll be fine.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was talking to Megan McCain,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: who just had her baby actually, and someone asked her
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: she did like an Ama right before she had her baby.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: And someone asked her, you know, are you are you
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: nervous or do you feel like you know you've done
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: this before, whatever, And she said she was more nervous,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: and I told her, maybe wrongly, maybe this was terrible.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: But I told her I got progressively more scared as
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I had babies, not less scared. And she asked me,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and I was like, because I know how horrible it is,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: and I know that, like under the best of circumstances,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: it's still horrible. Birth is horrible.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: This is why I could never really get past the
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: like crunchy cult birth stuff, because there's just a fundamental
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: lie at the house of it that like birth is
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: like this beautiful and pain free, orgasmic experience, and it
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: just sets people up for such disappointment because it's not. Yeh,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: but even when it's great, it's gross and it's scary.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: It's like incredibly dangerous.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Women used to die all the time.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And on that uplifting note, let's call it a wrap.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Our next episode is gonna be really interesting. I think
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: we're gonna take it later today with a guest that
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: we've had on the show before, a pediatrician about Ali Kareen.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: She's on like one of our first episodes about the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: new vaccine schedule that the CDC just put out, So
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: everyone should look out for that episode next week.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very excited, me too.
• 52:12
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