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Ep. 470: How the Right Rut Mindset Helps You Kill More Bucks with Brodie Swisher · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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  Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm your guest
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  Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm joined by Brodie Swisher
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  Speaker 1: to discuss strategies and tactics for hunting pressure dear during
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  Speaker 1: the entire rut. All right, folks, welcome to the Wire
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt Podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.
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  Speaker 1: You might notice that this is not the voice of
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. He's off at the National Air Guitar Championship
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  Speaker 1: where he's competing as a semi finalist after winning the
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  Speaker 1: Midwest Regional back in April. So wish him luck. You
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  Speaker 1: got me instead, And today my guest is Brodie Swisher.
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  Speaker 1: Brody is an outdoor later and a white tail nut.
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  Speaker 1: He lives in Tennessee, but he hunts all over the country,
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  Speaker 1: not only for his job but for his personal obsession.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite industry personalities for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of reasons. He's just down to earth and he's truly
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  Speaker 1: honest about his hunting motivations. I love that, and you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna hear that in this episode. He's also just eate
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  Speaker 1: up with hunting because he loves it, and he'll shoot
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  Speaker 1: a deer for meat just as quickly as he'll drop
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  Speaker 1: the hammer on a big buck, which is something you know,
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  Speaker 1: I love too. I had a great time chatting with him,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you're going to love his fresh take
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  Speaker 1: on hunting and his in depth strategies for staying on
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  Speaker 1: bucks from the last part of October all the way
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  Speaker 1: through November. Brodie Swisher, it is good to see your face, buddy, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: man always good to say you and catch up every
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  Speaker 1: few months every season, whatever it is, man a, it's
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  Speaker 1: good to get back in the groove. It catch up
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  Speaker 1: with you a bit. So we were we were just
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  Speaker 1: chatting off air. You and I have hunted together a
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  Speaker 1: few times. We've known each other, I don't know, six seven,
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  Speaker 1: eight years now, and when we were going to set
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  Speaker 1: up this interview, I looked back on our text strings
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  Speaker 1: to see if I could find your Skype user name
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  Speaker 1: so I could look you up. And I had totally
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  Speaker 1: forgotten about this, you know, but we hunted Florida together
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  Speaker 1: on that freaking mosquito fest down there a few years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a there's a part of that text string
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  Speaker 1: where I had grunted in a spike and I was
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  Speaker 1: I was texting the guy who was kind of in
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  Speaker 1: charge of the thing. I'm like, I got a buck coming.
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  Speaker 1: I need to shoot. I gotta shoot it. And he's like,
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  Speaker 1: how big is it. I'm like, it's a spike. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you can't shoot it. So I was texting you at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, and You're like, you gotta shoot that
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  Speaker 1: won't let me. Yeah. Well, I remember that hunt well
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  Speaker 1: and I think about it every season. Honestly. It's just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, good or bad on the outcome of the hunt.
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  Speaker 1: It's always good memories. You know, some stories in there,
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  Speaker 1: but I just remember the same deal. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: my last ton of the of the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: trip and and you know, just like said the spike,
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  Speaker 1: spike comes out and and like they know, man, it's
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  Speaker 1: gotta be four intan five inches whatever they gotta be
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  Speaker 1: for spike. And I'm just I'm ready to you know
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  Speaker 1: on low turn it low sended and uh and they
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  Speaker 1: slapped you on the handsaid, no, you can't do that,
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  Speaker 1: and the same dal on the first day. I remember
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  Speaker 1: the first day I had all these doves kept coming
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  Speaker 1: by me. I'm like, hey, we're good to shoot doves.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fixing to send it on one of these suckers,
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  Speaker 1: and oh no, you can't shoot those. I was like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have come to Florida if I'd have known
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  Speaker 1: ahead of time that I can't shoot dose or you know,
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  Speaker 1: any of the mixed bag and meet meet critters. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was fun hunt. Tough hunt, but good times. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't it you know it? What it makes me
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  Speaker 1: think about that, I think, here, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get in trouble with this, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: And so that was a media hunt, right. We were
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  Speaker 1: people This Camel company brought us down there to do
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  Speaker 1: that hunt test out some stuff. So that was bought
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  Speaker 1: and paid for. We didn't pay for it. It was
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  Speaker 1: kind of a guided deal. And the assumption on those
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  Speaker 1: hunts is always that it's a trophy hunt. Like you
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  Speaker 1: just you show up and everybody's hunting trophies and it's
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  Speaker 1: just like accepted that way. And so when somebody like
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  Speaker 1: you or I gets into the camp, it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: sort of shakes things, uh off the foundation just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, because you know, you do the same thing
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  Speaker 1: I do in those situations. I don't really do those
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  Speaker 1: hunts anymore, but I always would be like, what's the
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  Speaker 1: smallest thing I can shoot and not get kicked out?
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  Speaker 1: And you know you That's one of the reasons I
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  Speaker 1: think that you and I have gotten to be good
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  Speaker 1: buddies is that I just I love I would I
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  Speaker 1: would label you as just a hunter like I would.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't put you know, I wouldn't say straight public
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  Speaker 1: land hunter, private land hunter, dear grower, trophy hunter, none
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  Speaker 1: of that. I would just be like that, dude is
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  Speaker 1: just a hunter of critters, and I love that help. Yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: that's me. Man. I well, I mean, I'm in the
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  Speaker 1: same boat as a lot of guys. We all want
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  Speaker 1: to see the big bucks man who doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: shoot a big buck. For somebody to say, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a big buck hunter and I'll pass on the trophy
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  Speaker 1: when he comes back because I want to shoot it.
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  Speaker 1: We're not doing that. But man, here's the deal. I mean, um,
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  Speaker 1: I like to hunt. I like to provide. I like
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  Speaker 1: to take care of my family. I like the experiences.
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  Speaker 1: I like the store. I like to prove once again
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  Speaker 1: to myself and remind remind myself that I can do
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  Speaker 1: it again and still got it. Whatever, all the different
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  Speaker 1: aspects for me go into it. It doesn't matter public land,
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  Speaker 1: private land, whatever. I enjoy the hunt and uh, as
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  Speaker 1: long as it's legal and you're doing things like you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to. Um, I love to play the game every time.
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  Speaker 1: And so it is just I'm very much an opportunistic hunter.
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  Speaker 1: And UM, like I said Trophy Buck Spike book, I
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  Speaker 1: love to tell the story, make stories, and so it's
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  Speaker 1: hard not to take advantage of those opportunities when they come.
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  Speaker 1: And and I still love it. You know, I've been
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  Speaker 1: doing a long time, but I still love, uh coming
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  Speaker 1: to full draw, seeing if I can get to full
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  Speaker 1: draw with one standing right there in twelve yards. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's a lot of fun. Yeah. And you you've
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  Speaker 1: got a big family, and you feed him a lot
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  Speaker 1: of wild game. And I had I had a conversation
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  Speaker 1: the other day with a fellow that I kind of like.
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  Speaker 1: I know him a little bit, and he's he's a
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  Speaker 1: bow hunter, and he was telling me how him and
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  Speaker 1: his son three years ago both shot nice bucks and
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  Speaker 1: they're still eating them. I was just like, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: haven't gone through, you know. I mean, even if they're
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  Speaker 1: really big bucks, what are you talking a hundred hundred
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  Speaker 1: ten pounds of meat? Maybe maybe you know, and this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of northern Minnesota, so they're gonna be big deer.
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, how the hell could you not
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  Speaker 1: go through that meat? And you know, yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that that's it. I don't know, uh they're not beating
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  Speaker 1: enough tacos or something, but I uh, yeah, it gets
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  Speaker 1: going quick, and and I do. I laugh every time
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  Speaker 1: I see you know, it seems like it's some some
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  Speaker 1: chicken or whoever, you know, on social media and they'll
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  Speaker 1: they'll kill a sixty pound ough and like just fill
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  Speaker 1: the freezer. And I'm like, no, you did not. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how big your freezer is it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna take more than that. I love you the trying,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's uh, it takes us a lot of
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  Speaker 1: meat to feel a freezer. And and we do keep
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  Speaker 1: it stocked. And that's usually you know, about this time
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  Speaker 1: of year. My wife's like, hey, you need to get
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  Speaker 1: out there and kill some creators because we were getting
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  Speaker 1: thin and the freezer and so I love those those
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  Speaker 1: directions and orders from the ball to get out there
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  Speaker 1: and get some mate. So oh yeah, that that parts fun.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when you think when you think about that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I always used this as an example. This
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  Speaker 1: was man, This was probably twelve thirteen years ago. This
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  Speaker 1: was back when a non resident could buy and over
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  Speaker 1: the counter uh antalope tag in North Dakota for archery.
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  Speaker 1: And I went out a couple of buddies of mine
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  Speaker 1: and my dad. We went out hunting for the opener
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  Speaker 1: and I shot an antelope the first night. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't a real big goat or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Even a big one is not that big. But we
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  Speaker 1: ate that entire thing during our except for one I
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  Speaker 1: had one sandwich bag maybe it was tender lines or
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  Speaker 1: something of of meat that I brought home from that
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  Speaker 1: It was like it was awesome. You know, every night
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  Speaker 1: you got you're seeing four guys who are spotting stock
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  Speaker 1: and all day you know, we ate a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: so it was like every night was awesome because you're
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  Speaker 1: eating fresh antalope. But then when you go home from
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  Speaker 1: a hunt where you were successful and you've got like
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  Speaker 1: seven ounces of meat, it kind of sucks you bring
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  Speaker 1: home with a plot back to the rest of the family.
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  Speaker 1: Not quite as impressed, are they, No, but it's that
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  Speaker 1: that part's good. You You started out your fall this year,
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  Speaker 1: uh way back in you know, early September, maybe even
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  Speaker 1: late August, hunting some velvet deer and you killed one
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  Speaker 1: in in Kentucky, right, that's right. Yeah, that was the
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  Speaker 1: start to my season. First I got to play the
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  Speaker 1: game there and uh, man, had a great week. It
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  Speaker 1: was fun. I was kind of getting over the COVID
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  Speaker 1: stuff from a month ago. We're better and and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting my energy back and um, it was
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  Speaker 1: a great way to get in the stand and and
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  Speaker 1: I'll just be back in the back of the woods
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting again. Man. I look forward to it every year.
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  Speaker 1: If like I said, this year was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a struggle, just not having the the energy. Oh
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  Speaker 1: that that COVID kind of suck the life out of me.
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  Speaker 1: And uh but just getting back in the game, Um,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yeah, we had a great time
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  Speaker 1: hunting not too far from me. I'm on the Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: line with Kentucky, so you know, thirty minute trip up
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  Speaker 1: the road, and um, it's always good, you know, start
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  Speaker 1: the season all there and and it's it's a hunt
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  Speaker 1: where um, you know, depending on where you are, what's
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  Speaker 1: the set up is, it's it's it's everything wrong with
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  Speaker 1: the world. According to social media hunting private farm you
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  Speaker 1: can hunt over corn up there, you can do all
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  Speaker 1: the stuff. And uh, but I tell guys, I said, man,
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  Speaker 1: it's just a fun hun to catch up with friends,
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  Speaker 1: to be back in camp again. If it's legal, I
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it, um, you know, and I love tapping into
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  Speaker 1: that opportunity, you know, hunting afternoons there and yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it was the second night of the hunt. Um
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  Speaker 1: sitting up on a little ridge and had food plots
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  Speaker 1: on top and had corn out as well, and um,
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  Speaker 1: just just so beautifully and had several bucks come through it,
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  Speaker 1: some doos and pons and the buck because I was
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  Speaker 1: after it was just a goofy, goofy seven pointer buck
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  Speaker 1: that my buddy said, Hey, man, I've got the seven
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  Speaker 1: point he's he's an older buck, very mature buck, but
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  Speaker 1: he just ever has grown. He got short times, kind
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  Speaker 1: of the short time seven point one side's goofy and
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  Speaker 1: um and again just be an opportunistic hunter, I said, man,
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  Speaker 1: that's put me in the stand man, let me turn
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  Speaker 1: and turn me loose, I'll go after it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I've enjoyed those opportunities sometimes called a cold man
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, just shooting the deer that the
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  Speaker 1: other guys won't and and man, it's again, I have
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  Speaker 1: a big time. I got a story to tell, memories made,
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  Speaker 1: and um, you know, some guys who go home empty
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  Speaker 1: hand because they don't want to shoot us a certain deer.
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  Speaker 1: They got a higher standard. That's okay too, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But I just love to play game, you know, coming
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  Speaker 1: home with Cooper full of meat and stories made, and
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  Speaker 1: so can't complain one bit. Yeah knows I was. I
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  Speaker 1: was talking to uh Tyler Jones from the Element uh
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  Speaker 1: after he went down. He went up to Nebraska and
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  Speaker 1: he killed a nice buck right away the first couple
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  Speaker 1: of days of the season, and just talking to him
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  Speaker 1: and he was like, as I was talking to him,
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  Speaker 1: he was cutting that deer up, and he was just happy,
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  Speaker 1: like just you know, you start the season, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we're we're in a little bit different in a
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  Speaker 1: place because we make our living off of this. So
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  Speaker 1: when you get that monkey off your back right away,
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  Speaker 1: it's nice, but it's just so on to start the
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  Speaker 1: year right away with you know, with a successful hunt
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  Speaker 1: like that, such a freaking blast man. Yeah, absolutely, and
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  Speaker 1: that's that was a deal for me. The next night
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  Speaker 1: or two after that buck, I shot a dough and
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  Speaker 1: so I had to to deer and the cooler and
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  Speaker 1: uh it is man, the monkeys off the back get
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  Speaker 1: to come home and knowing that, hey, our regular season
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  Speaker 1: here in Tennessee and you started. We've got a couple
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  Speaker 1: more weeks. But I've already got two tags punched, you
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  Speaker 1: know for the season. Uh, testing out some gear and
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  Speaker 1: and and just two deer in, you know, right off
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  Speaker 1: the bats. My kids are fired up because they know
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  Speaker 1: how that means Opening day is their time. They're thinking
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  Speaker 1: Dad's done for a while. We're up to bat, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the stand or ground lines. So you mentioned I
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about pre rut and rut strategies
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  Speaker 1: with you. But you mentioned talk taking your kids. How
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  Speaker 1: many how many kids you got hunting? Now? Well, I've
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  Speaker 1: got four kids and my oldest daughter she's she's she's eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: um and she's big into soccer and she her hunting.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she'll hunt a time or two a year. Now,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: you know, she's just so busy with everything. Um. But
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  Speaker 1: my boys, I've got three boys at any given weekend
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  Speaker 1: think they need to be in the woods. It's their turn.
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  Speaker 1: And so they all they all love it. Um, And
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, it's fun. Uh it's a challenge just because
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  Speaker 1: um again they all want to go and uh, just
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  Speaker 1: making those opportunities, getting those blinds in the right spot
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  Speaker 1: and just setting up for successes. It's tough, but um.
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  Speaker 1: And there's many times where I'm in the blind with
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  Speaker 1: him and we're two or three of us in the
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  Speaker 1: blind and and I swear I'll never do it again.
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  Speaker 1: And then I get home and I realized, Man, that's
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  Speaker 1: the memories that we're making for for a lifetime. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Do do you when you're bringing those boys, do you
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  Speaker 1: are you hunting as well? Are you just guiding? Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm just guiding. I used to do that. He used
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: to pack my bow in there and think, okay, well
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  Speaker 1: maybe you'll shoot one and I will, and then it
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  Speaker 1: just turns into cluster and then um and then of
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  Speaker 1: course in their mind too, they're they're thinking, well, this
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  Speaker 1: ain't about me, this is about him. You know, he's
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: gonna shlve me out of the way. If the big
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  Speaker 1: buck walks out, that's why he's got his bow and
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: so uh se, yeah, anymore, I carry the camera and
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  Speaker 1: it's just all about them getting the shot. And um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, depending on the situation. I mean, if there
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  Speaker 1: is a legitimate from older boy, if there's a legitimate
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for us to you know, double up on turkeys,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, if there's an opportunity for a double
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  Speaker 1: true double opportunity, and then maybe you know. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: for the most part is you it's back in their
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  Speaker 1: ear and were getting with crap Carrie, I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't all of Caraboon stuff, you know. And for me
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  Speaker 1: as well, I'm not not a chance. You know. We've
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  Speaker 1: got so much stuff cameras and gear and tripods and
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  Speaker 1: ground blinds and all this stuff, and so there's more
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  Speaker 1: than enough as Yeah, I'm I'm in the same boat
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  Speaker 1: as you. You know, when I take take my little
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  Speaker 1: girls out because we're hunting, whether it's turkeys or dear,
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  Speaker 1: we're hunting out of blinds. And I just I kind
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  Speaker 1: of made the decision when I started with them. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's their time. I'm just gonna guy and I
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  Speaker 1: don't bring a weapon, and I actually love it, like
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  Speaker 1: it really causes me to just beat Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I this is for them, and so
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  Speaker 1: my decision making process is always like, how do we
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  Speaker 1: get them a burder? How do we get them a dear?
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  Speaker 1: And to me, I don't know about you, but I
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  Speaker 1: actually feel like, even though, like you said, you've got
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  Speaker 1: a ton of gear to carry and you've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff to think about with kids, I feel
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  Speaker 1: so unburdened because I'm not worried about feeling a tag
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  Speaker 1: for myself. I feel I feel like I just flow
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  Speaker 1: state that stuff so much better, and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in it. It makes me feel like I'm in
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  Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. I don't know if that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense or not. No, absolutely, yeah, I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: it's so pure and uh again, to me, it's just
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  Speaker 1: making those memories, you know, And I I think back
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  Speaker 1: to my first opportunities, and man, I remember those so
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  Speaker 1: much and just appreciate my dad so much for not
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  Speaker 1: blowing it and and leaving me behind and making sure
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  Speaker 1: you invested in me and taking me on those opportunities.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: I've never forgotten. You know, some of the greatest memories
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: of my life. And so I just think, man, this
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: is an investment. It's an investment of your time. You
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: love your energy, um, and then don't miss out on
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: that because it's gonna be come back and it's gonna
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: be way bigger than me going off and shooting any
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: book of any kind. Almon you know is investing in
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: those memories. Yeah, can I can I go to rant
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: for a second because what you just said reminds me
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: is something that pisces me off. And I'm curious if
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: you ever experienced this. So, you know, you you have
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: the one daughter and then you've got three boys. I
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: have two daughters, and it's weird because you know my
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: daughters are they're they're bumping up on ten years old.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: And it's weird how often people tell me how horrible
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be, And like even strangers, you know, they'll
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: send me an email and be like, um, you know,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: it's really awesome that you're taking your girls hunting, but
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: in four years you're gonna hate them and you're gonna
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: want to do this and they're gonna hate you. And
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, hey, I know that that's a possibility,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: believe me, Like I get it, and like be like,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: where do we get if you constantly remind me of this?
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, what what are we
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: doing here? It's like I don't want to sit there
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: and look at the future and be like, well, this
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: could suck, so I'm gonna let it ruin this time now.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: It's it's bizarre to me. Yeah, well, and I hear
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: that from time. It's time too. And and you know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I'm usually quick to say, hey, you know, just because
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you had a bad experience with your family and your
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: situation or whatever, doesn't mean that's gonna be my deal
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: with my daughter, you know whatever. And she still loves it.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, she just she's so busy with everything else.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: But um, yeah, it is. You just have to make
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: it happen, you know, in this moment, not focus on
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: what's gonna be on down the line and what might
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: change or whatever, and again disinvesting the time you've got
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: right now. And um, you know, like I said, even
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: despite the fact that she's gotten busier and doesn't get
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: to hunt us much. I mean every year, she'll still say, hey,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I want I want to go, you know, I want
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to get out there with you. And I think for
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: her more than anything, I think it's just about being
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: with me, you know, spending time. She enjoys that and
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: so um yeah, I just keep putting, you know, to
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: keep taking them and uh, don't don't push it, don't
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: force you know, just let them do their thing and
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. And again just being together, making those memories
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's hard to beat. Yeah, it's awesome.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: So we're we're bumping right up on here pre rut,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: coming into the rut. What are you What are your
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: plans for late October throughout November? Gosh, man, you know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I just think all the time. More and more I
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: find myself digging the last week of October and um,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you know that time last week of October through uh,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: those first couple of weeks in November before Bucks just
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: absolutely lose your mind. Uh some of the best time,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I think. You know, guys miss out a lot of time,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: taking putting in all their time and taking their vacation.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Um for the rud itself, you know, miss out a
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: lost opportunities at pre rut, you know, starting to let
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: October I mean, man, gosh, late October could be the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: best possible time. You know, I've killed a lot of
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: good bucks. You know that pre rut and and that's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: to me is when things start shaking, stinking things start kicking. Uh.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Is that late October and that first week in November.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: For me, that's when I do the majority of my
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: calling the most responsive. Uh. You know, I see and
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and calling to rattling, running um and and calling bucks
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: out of those betting airs, those thickets that I'm hanging
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: out near. Um. But it just really starts to happen
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: in that time. Again. Um. A lot of guys take
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: their time later on in November, but um, and that's
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: good because that opens the woods up for me. But
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you know that that time last week of October, one
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: part of November. Again, calling is is key. I do
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of that, But to me, it's set time
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: when those bucks first start realizing here we go, you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the big boys start realizing, you know, and they start
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: slipping a little further and further. I know some guys
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that say bucks or you know, completely nocturnal or whatever,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: but man, in my mind, there's there's a buck standing
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: on his feet somewhere. You just got to get close
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: enough to where you're gonna see you know, he's gonna
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: get up, he's gonna move around. Yeah, he maybe not
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: turnal from the standpoint and running wide open through the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: fields in the day or big timber, but man, he's
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: on his feet somewhere. He's gonna get up and stretch somewhere. Uh.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And is that October end of October comes on first
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: part of November. That's when um again, I see them
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: starting venturing further and further from that bed and uh,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: they start cracking out in that food plot, you know
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: before last light, or they start getting out where your
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: tree stand is, wherever it is, you know, um placement wise,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: they're just starting to venture a little further and further
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: from their beds. And that's that first opportunity for those
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: bigger deer um to get out and see it. All
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: the fuss is about, because you know, good well, all
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: those young bucks man, they're they're one running wide open
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: thinking you know, it's go time starting mid October whatever,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, the guys get fired up, say hey man,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the ruts on. Well you just got them young bucks.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Those older bucks, you know, they're kind of hanging back.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: They've played the game. They know the deal. They'll kind
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of lay low. But again you get into that last
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: last week October one, part of November, and uh again
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: just catching them starting to slip up on their feet
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a little more, get out and venture around a little more.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: You's just a good time to be be in the tree.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Are you when you're when you're talking about this late
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: October type of hunting where you're calling and you're you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: hopefully close to a betting area, are you? Because when
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: when you talk about that, I think about my strategy
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and I really go, if you were to take like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, October twenty, I'm probably gonna be a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: staging area, you know by Halloween or November one, then
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm really starting to think those pinch points and and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like the terrain, really using the terrain to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: my advantage. But when you talk about late October white ties,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: it sounds like you're talking about kind of got those
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: bucks pinned down. You're like, all right, he's probably gonna
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: betting here. I know he's going to that plotter, he's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: going to that field. You're gonna creep in there to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that cover pretty close and just use that his his
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: kind of willingness to just get up little earlier in daylight,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: move around, make some rubs. But it sounds like you're
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: talking about in the cover strategy mostly yeah, very much.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So it is at staging area. UM, and I saw
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: it real well. It's able to show it to my
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: son several excuse me, several years ago. You know, we're
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: just sit in the field and watch the field and um,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, night after night, he's like, hey, we
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: didn't see anything. You know, we didn't see anything, and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: nothing happened in the field. There's just no deer moving.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And uh. We we came out on a trail that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: we had found in the field and uh, entry trail
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to the field, and I just I mean, look, let's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: back down this trailer. Are always coming out last light, dark, whatever,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: We always find them there. And we found that trail.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: We just backtracked down about semi five yards hundred yards
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: into the woods and just down a little just just
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a little knife ridge and um, just very narrow trail
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: right up the sides of it though. And we set
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: up in there and and it was just nine and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: day difference, catching those deer again late October, and they
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: were just all hanging out right there and I'm like, dude,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: we missed it. We're sitting out and field waiting on
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: something to happen in the field. But it's all right here.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: We would have never known were back at stand up
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in there and um, get him up in there, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: he was able to kill a ten pointer and it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: just came right down the trail right in front of him,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and uh, just a beautiful thing, man. And and uh again,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it's just backing up, catching those staging areas, finding those
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: deer that slid out of their bedding areas. And and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: they're not blowing out that field yet, corn beans, whatever
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: it is. They're not blowing out there yet. They're still
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: hanging back the safety to security of that little staging area. Yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: when you when you talk about that, you bring up
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a really really uh interesting point there about just a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: reset moment of going back seventy five yards. This is
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a mistake a lot of people make. And I think
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: we've had some mixed messaging in the in you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: kind of in the public land, do it yourself type
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: of world where there's a lot of people pushing this
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: betting message and there's people who are super good at
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: hunting beds. But I think for the average person, it's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: probably better to be like, really incremental in your strategy.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So if you, like you said, if you get on
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that field edge and you really want to hunt there
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and they aren't showing, the assumption is there either I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: gotta go right in on top of his bed or
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: they're nocturnal, both of which are probably not true, or
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: they either not inherently true. And when you're when you're
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: bow hunting, even private land, public land, it doesn't really
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: seem to matter. Those deer that you guys that you're
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: talking about there and taking your son in there and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: killing them, those you are just waiting for you guys
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to leave. There's a reason they're staging in there. They
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: know where that hunting pressure is concentrated, and they know
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: as little as seventy five yards away they're safe to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: get up and eat some acorns or do whatever they want,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: make a rub, check a scrape. They're just not going
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: out where you've been concentrating your pressure, and as little
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of a move as that is can make all the difference. Absolutely. Yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: excuse me, And I think we we do between checking
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: stuff scouting stuff, and you know we gotta be scouting.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I get it. But I think so many guys underestimate
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the fact that every scouting trip they make, every trail
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: camera check they make, every time they're sitting foot in
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: there and trim and shooting lanes, going back and double
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: checking everything's good and just wanting to look one more time,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and all the stuff of that human pressure in there,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And they just underestimate to the fact that those deer
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: no man. You know, you may get by with the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you know, the young bucks, young does and stuff, may
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: not give a rip, but those mature deer no bucks,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: those whatever, they know. Dude, they know you the first
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: time you step in those woods, I believe, you know.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: That's why you gotta make it happen that first centrail
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you lay down, And yes, they just immediately. I think
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of the places we've seen you just know right away,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: hey we're gonna slide that a little further down the field.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna make you know, instead of coming
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: out where always did all of a sudden you notice
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: came out, you know, hundred yards further down the buield,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You know, coincidence? I don't. I don't think so. I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: think those dudes know they're playing you just as much
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: as you're playing them. Yeah, well they are and there,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I think about you know, I hunt like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin quite a bit around end of October beginning
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in November, and so there's you know a lot of
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: years where you're dealing with snow right like you might
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: get a couple inches of fresh snow. And the one
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: thing that always just amazes me is, you know, if
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I throw up a stand on private land and leave
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it up overnight and we get snow, it's almost a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: guarantee that I'll see deer tracks walking up to that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: sucker and somewhere throughout the night. And it's the same
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: thing when you put up a trail camera. You know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the first series of pictures you get are almost always
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: dear looking at it, and a lot of times you
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: get that old dough sniffing right on it or the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: butt I mean, and it's you think, oh, they smelled it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe they smelled it, maybe they saw it. It doesn't matter.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: They knew you were there and they and they checked
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it out. And you think about, you know that the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: strategy that's so common is to hunt early, sit on
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: your field edges, and then kind of take a break
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: during the lull or whatever, and then swing back around
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: this time of year and started getting out of those
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: field edges again, waiting for those does to draw the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: bucks out. But all of that pressure in the same spot,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it just puts them off. And you know when you
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like you said something earlier about nocturnal bucks and you know, like, wow,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: maybe their nocturnal, maybe they're not, or something to that effect.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I literally don't believe there's a nocturnal deer out there,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like right, you know, and you you've seen this, I'm
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: sure when you go hunt like western white tails, I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: mean you can do this with meal deer too, even
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: though they're different. But you go watch western white tails
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: bed down somewhere out in the stage or something, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: if you if you hang with them, those deer get up,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: they reposition with the sun, with the wind. They browsed
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: for a while, or you know, you get into a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: situation like I killed a buck a couple of years
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: ago in Nebraska on public land on h opening night
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: ors the second night, I can't remember the first two
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: days of the season, and they were betting in the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: middle of a bean field on this walk in land.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: They'd get up feed for a while, bed down, get
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: up all day long. And you know, I mean those
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: are deer on public land. There's people messing around there.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And they're still not they're not nocturnal the way we
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: think they're just not like you said, they're they're not
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: coming out into that field blown across it at noon
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: because they're out of their minds with the buzz and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: they're nuts. That's right, that's exactly, you know, the nocturnal thing.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Um again, they're they're moving somewhere. You know, we have
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: this idea that there, oh, they're not moving unless they're not. Well,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: they're just they're not moving where you're at. You know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they're not moving in those easy stands you've got hung
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: out there, just you know, right next to your truck
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But if you dig a little deeper, you
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: got a little further in. And like you said earlier,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: just talking about the increments, don't don't just bust it
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: in there and and go, hey, we've got to get
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the bedding air right now, because
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they're not coming in the field anymore. But just keep
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: checking away, you know, and just a little increments and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: take it in seventy five yards closer a hundred yards
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and just see what you got. Maybe they don't hit
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that that night. You need to realize, hey, I've got
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to take it on in another a little bit. Just
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: keep working your way in um letting that activity dictate
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: kind of how far you go. Um But like I said,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: he's moving somewhere. He's gonna stand up, he's gonna get
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: out of that sun. He's gonna move over it. Maybe
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: ten yards, maybe fifty yards. He's gonna move and reposition
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: himself with the wind, get out of the sun, find
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the shade, uh brows a little bit whatever, and um,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: so he's moving somewhere. It's just a matter you being
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: in that spot. Man, close that spot where you can
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: see that activity when he does stand up. Yeah, And
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I think when to go back to what you talked
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: about where your son killed that buck and just moving
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: seventy five yards off. When you think about you think
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: about how important confidence is to so much stuff, Like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I talk about this a lot, but you
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: know I trained bird dogs and I work with professional
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: dog trainers all the time, and the good ones they're
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: just helping dogs constantly develop confidence, new situations, new people, whatever.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And you think about white tail hunting and the one
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: thing that we do a lot or you see a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, a lot of new hunters do
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: as they go, they give into that gotta be where
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you can see mentality. Rifle hunters do this like crazy.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the reasons why the rifle
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: hunting or the general gun hunting success is so low
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I think or could be higher, is because we just
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: have to be where we can see. And so you
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: think about if you've got that field edge. One of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the best strategies people could take is if you're if
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: your action dies, you just go get off of that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: sucker yards and start looking go in, you know, like
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you said, follow that trail and follow it back. But
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the problem we have is we we were like, well,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna set up so i can shoot that edge,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: or I'm gonna set up so I'm close enough and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: do both. And oftentimes you just have to go I'm
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: not gonna be on this edge today. I'm not sitting
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: over this field. I'm just gonna move in a little
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: bit and I'm gonna be looking the opposite way. I'm
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: gonna look back into the cover and I'm gonna see
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: what those you are doing and you see him. When
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you see him staging, it's just obvious. You know, you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: see him work through one way, or it works through
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: another way, or you know he's making a rub here,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you see the buck come
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: up from the other side and they meet up for
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a while, and you just look at it and go,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that's just where they're they're they're just they're comfortable mingling
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: there in dayly, those spots are money. Yeah, that's it's
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: so fun to be in those spots too, because like
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you said, they're comfortable there. They know they're good. They're
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in their mind they're good. They're they're not walking out
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like we see him so many times, skinnes nervous, on edge.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: They just they know they're in a spot that they're
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: good to go. They've been doing it on a routine.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: That's the staging area where it's a sanctuary in their mind.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: They feel comfortable and they just kind of like you said,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: congregate there, chill waiting on that soun, crawl down and um,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it's just a it's a lot of fun to to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: just to discover those spots. When you find that spot,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you know you've got something and that's the spot where
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: stuff's gonna happen and and um, yeah, that's where my
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: phone hunting nap is full of those kind of spots
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that did I just look forward to every year when
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the wind gets right and and everything's lining up to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: get into those spots. And um, that's when you're on
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the edge of your your stand whatever it is, because
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: it's it's getting ready to happen. Yeah, you get. You know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time. You know, the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: first SIT's the best in the stand or you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that's the mobile hunting strategy is so so popular for
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: partially for this reason, but really one of the benefits.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: We don't talk about getting into a spot like that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: when you talk about where dear comfortable you they're easier
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to hunt like they're just not you know, you talk
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: about that littleknife ridge. You're talking about where that that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: feeds up to that food source. They're traveling in a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: certain way, they're using the wind and they're looking and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: they're they're not expecting danger there the way they are
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: when they pop into that food plot. Or you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: over in Wisconsin where we hunt, baiting is legal and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: if you just put a trail camera, I don't you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: don't even you don't have to have any corn in
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: front of it, or you put a new ladder stand up.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I think those dey are so used to walking into
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: like oh, there's another corn pile here, there's a camera there,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: there's a ladder stand twenty yards away. And if you
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: tip them off like I I do really well over
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: there showing up and hanging stands in places that they're
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: not associating anything with humans, and I just think they
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: just they get to it. There's like a certain set
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of you know, factors in in in a spot that
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: they just go, oh, I've seen that before. I've seen
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: this before. Every time I come into this there's there's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: bad smells here, and they're just more on edge, like
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: just like that little kill plot you sit over and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: over and over again, and like, yeah, it can be
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a producer all season long. But I think you're also
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: just tipping your hat to them, like like they know, okay, this,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: this is this is a more dangerous place than that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: spot I like back on that knob over on the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: hill that nobody seems to come into. Yeah. Absolutely, you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: people don't realize that those deer about the time, we
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: feel like we've got them patterned, you know, those deer,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: we've got us patterned. You know, they pattern us and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and get us on a routine just as easy. So,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: like you said, it's so important to not let them
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: get you in a routine and not always slipping from
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the same way, not always follow the same trails in,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: same trails out you know, do um and you just
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: trying different things, you know, don't don't keep playing the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: same game each time, and just let those near you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: know pattern you um, get in that spot where they
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: never see it coming. And UM, it's that's a fun
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: spot to be for sure. It is. So when you're
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: talking late October maybe early November, and you're talking about
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: calling what what do you what you going with here? Rattling?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Yeah, rattling for me is just
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: because of the volume that you can produce with rattling horns.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: That's kind of been the thing for me. Rattling with
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: running mixed in and um again, I'll just get into
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: some of those areas again, late late October, early November. Um,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of those young bucks running.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: They're just a young year and a half old bucks whatever,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and they're just running wide open, chasing every slick head
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: they see. Um. But I like to put those horns
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: together and start that calling, just because I want that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: buck to think, hey, you know what, maybe maybe there
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is something going on this time. You know, they hear
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: all the commotion and the bucks chasing, and a lot
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: of times I feel like they're just laying over there,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: just chilling, um, waiting on time to be right or
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: get the right smell they aren't waiting for. But um, again,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: just curiosity. You know, a lot of times that's all
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it takes. Just get that buck on his feet and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: getting come and check you out. Just a curiosity and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: get him cruising over your way. And again I'm not
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: often trying to call him out into a field and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you know all that stuff. It's just that a little bit,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit action in some of those spots. That again,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that that you know that they're comfortable hanging out in
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: our spots, that they've proven the trail cameras or whatever
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to to frequent, and um, just letting them know there's
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a story going on over here. Everybody loves a good fighting,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: so that's kind of the the thing, you know, I
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: want that that big buck to know that not only
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: are these young bucks overre chasing your dos. Um, now
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: there's some stuff happening and they're fighting over though is
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: something is intensified And again just painting that picture. Uh,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and it's again you know people after you call them
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: up every time. Heck, no, man, there's more times than
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: not you don't. But when it's happening, Um, it's so fun.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And it it's usually once a year from me when
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I'll rattle antlers and put them down. Here comes a
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: buck and then you let him go off and give
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: me a while and rattle again, and it's just it's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: just one of those bucks at that peak curiosity moment.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: And uh again, nine times out of ten, it's gonna
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: be that small guy. But every once in a while
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you pick it up and and uh play the game,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: paint the picture and a good buck of step out.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I saw it, uh several years ago, hunting a little
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: public piece on the edge of swamp and it was
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: just a piece where everything's cruises through and uh rattled antlers, Uh,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: running a little bit and had a can call tip
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the can call over and I mean it was under
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a minute and Uh, this buck comes cruising up looking
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and it's just that thick stuff you're talking about. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I just came right up through the edge that stuff
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: looking got to shoot him and fell over it right
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: there in front of me. And so again, calling is
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: not a strategy that's gonna work every time. It's just
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: another tool tool in your bag of tricks and um.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But it's a time of year, I think again, late October,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: early November, when uh it works the best. You know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I think in my in my experience where I hunt,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: are you are you doing mornings mostly? Are you doing
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: mornings and evenings? I'll start Yeah, at that time of year,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you know, right, is work cracking in on the end
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: of the month, Um, you know, heading into November, I'll
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: start hitting those morning set for sure, you know, just
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: because I am digging into a little deeper areas that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I can get. I mean calling wise, like rattling wise called. Yeah,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll call either that that ten point I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: just mentioned that that I killed wasn't morning, you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the first forty five minutes a daylight and uh, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: so just call them right in place, right time. So yeah,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I can't say whether one, you know, morning or afternoon
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: is worked better. I've I've experienced both and and maybe
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: even more more so in the mornings. You know. Uh,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: if I look back and say, a lot of the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: times that I've called it, it's been those morning sets,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you know. Uh so, yeah, I'll hit him on either side,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: morning or afternoon. When you're when you're rattling, do you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: do you always just start out with a little tickle
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and then work your way up. Yeah, And and for
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: me it's it's very short. You know, a lot of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: guys get the get the antlers and they're just busting
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: antlers and just going at it and just getting fired
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: up and going you know, minute two minutes or whatever.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: But um, you know, you look at if you've seen
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: bucks fight, I mean, there's not a lot of nonstock.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: They're not just rattling and rattling. Rattling there, rattling. Then
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: they lock up and then it's more you're stomping the ground,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it's leaves getting shoved around. It's more shoving match at
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: that point, just to tickle. And then they rattled together
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and they bust loose and they'll head together again and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: they lock up. And so um, yeah, I start off
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: light and then uh and I work up to you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a substantial fight. But for me, it's it's really just
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: keeping it short, just to light you know, tickle the horns,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: keep it quick, you know, fift twenty seconds or whatever,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and stop and and get ready because I mean, if
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you're in that area where it's happening, Um man, I've
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: gotten busted so many times, you know, sitting there for
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: thirty forty five seconds a minute with horns and just rattling,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and you walk in and get busted. So just a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: quick little fight, let them know something's come together and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: put their heads together and then uh, hang them up
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and get ready. So you you try to add in
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: other other sound elements into your rattling sequences. I will,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I'll I'll throw some grunts in and um, you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: just um typically i'm in the tree, if I'm on
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the ground, I'll stomp the ground and different stuff like that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: But um, you know, I know there's a lot of
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: stuff I'll see guys do that will um you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: as far as breaking brush or breaking branches and stuff
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and all those things, you know, adding you know, trying
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to add some real realism to it. But um, for me,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: it's you know, just grunting. Um, you know, and and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: hitting those horns together. And then like I said, when
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I wrap up, I'll tip a can call over. I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: know a lot of guys are laugh at a can
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: style call, you know. And again never, you know, never
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: works every time. But I've had enough hunts that they
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: have come in on a string that I'll that I'll
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: use that again, just telling that picture you gotta fight
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: over here, you've got two bucks going at it um
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and then having that that can call just tells, hey,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's a dough that they're they're
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: fighting for, you know, and just try to paint that picture. Yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's a real eye opener when you when
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you see a real buck fight close. Yeah, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I mean I think about it. You know, if you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: if you hunt, you know a lot of people who
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: hunt out east or who hunt public land generally have
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: probably heard their neighbors rattling like and when you hear it,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it's like listening to a politician speak. You're just like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: this is not. There's bullshit here, Like, this is not
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it's not the right soundscape, you know, And when you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: see like you know, you said, everybody loves a good fight.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: The first one I ever saw. I was in high
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: school and I was on this ridge this valley below me,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and I heard a fight breakout below me, and I'm
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: glassen and I picked up these two bucks and at
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the time they were huge to me. They were probably
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: like two year olds, but they were bigger than the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: spikes and four keys we were usually targeting. And those
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: two bucks started fighting, and because of my vantage point
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I had, I saw like nine deer run in and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: watch this thing. It was like one of the most
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: amazing experiences I've had in the woods. And it made
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: me realize because we had tried rattling, and it made
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: me realize, like, man, when these deer actually go at it,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Like you said, it's a real short duration lock up,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: but it's loud and there's a lot going on, like
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you know that that was in October, so they were
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: as you know, the leaf litter was out and you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: breaking branches. It just opens your eyes, like, yeah, if
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you're a buck there, like we give them too much
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: credit a lot of times for being smart, I think,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: but they're they're cautious. And if they're sitting there listening
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and they're like okay, this just they're probably not thinking, man,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: this is weird that their antlers are hitting together. But
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I can't hear their hoofs on the ground. But there's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: probably something just like a turkey when it walks in
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and your decoy shines wrong. It's not like that's a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: fake bird. It's just like, I don't feel good about
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: this anymore. I'm going away, you know what I mean, Like,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: there's probably not like a whole lot of thought to it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And and so I think a lot of times people
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: don't sell their calling sessions. I mean, man, I was
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: sitting in uh. I was sitting over a river in uh,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: North Dakota, probably I don't know, three or four years
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: ago in mid October, and I had these two bucks
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: come down to cross to me and they met in
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the river and they started fighting in the river. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it was like it sounded like they
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: were storming the beach at Normandy. Man. There was rocks
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: just like cracking and splashing, and it was like fifty
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: thousand times louder than most of our rattling sessions would
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: ever even consider being, you know, and it was it
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: just it was like, oh, here's to pound animals fighting.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: This is not you know, like this is not play right,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Like these these dudes are trying to kill each other,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and the sound to it, it's just so vastly different
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: than what we probably put into most of our average
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: calling sessions. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, there's there's certainly a death
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: difference in those shoving matches. You know that those those bucks,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: so you know when they come out of velvet, you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: back earlier on in the month and and you know
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: September even, you know, and they stripped that velvet and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: they would go from being buddies to to start, you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: just establishing who's the boss, and you know they're just
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: kind of shoving matches there. But yeah, like you're talking
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: about that in the river throw down death match. I mean,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that's that's where there's some serious commotion going on. And
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: so you know, again it just comes down to what
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you're you know, trying to tell what the story and
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: what kind of you know, audible you need to cast
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: as far as you're you know, how far you need
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to get that sound out there, banging on that again
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and um. But again for me is making those calling
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: sequences short, um, putting together that sound and then and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: then hang it up, because man, so many times. I
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: can tell you so many more times than not. I'll
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: get I'll get caught in the past anyway, I've gotten
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: busted sitting there standing with the horns in my hand,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and here he comes walking out looking and they're coming
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: in looking, you know, like you said, curious. So we're
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: on the lookout when they're coming in, and uh, I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: just don't get don't get caught with your grunt call
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and your hand calling, your antlers in your hand and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: get thought looking, you know. So yeah, it's it's it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: definitely something to think about. It. It's an interesting thing.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the great intangibles of
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: this when you're talking about calling in the pre rutting
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: during the rut is when you you know, if you
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: go said, I'll never forget I I sat during a
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: rifle season in Minnesota years ago on this property and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the neighbor was rattling and it was like once every
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: ten minutes that guy would bang the antlers together and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: create this fake fight, and it would be like two
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon, six days into guns season. I'm like, dude,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and and you know, like when you're talking about that
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: buck that you rattled in and you you get close
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to the swamp and you get in the right spot,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and then the timing feels right. It's just like it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: a it's a hard thing to talk about because we
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: sell these ideas like we'll go and rattle in the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: pre rut or the first couple of days in November.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: But the people who really know what they're doing with
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: this stuff, they're sitting there going, this is the right time,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: like this this I can just feel it in the air.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: It's cool. It's ten minutes into first light and I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: can see really well. Or you know, I was, You're
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: on stand in the afternoon and it's a little later
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and then the clouds roll in and the light changes
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and the wind shifts, so you go, just this is
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be on their feet right now. This is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: where I'm callable. And so it's a it's a really
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: fun thing to talk about. But I always just want
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to caution people, like understand that you know you said
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: this multiple times that this is not like a guarantee,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and it is not. I mean, it's it might be
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: like a ten percent success right maybe depending on where
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: you hunt, but you can up those odds if you
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: if you call like deer actually sound and you're just
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: reading those conditions going, you know, two o'clock in the afternoon,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: sun's high overhead. I haven't seen a freaking song bird
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: in three hours. It's not the time, but six thirty
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: at night and it's you know, get a little darker
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: and that you know, the attempts drop twenty degrees or
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, now now this is the time. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And I think of another hunt from several years back
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: that again talking about the can call. Um, I don't
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: know that I've ever heard. I might have heard dear blee,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I've heard dear grunt do different things, um, but I
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: don't know I've ever heard of can you know a
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: deer sounding just like a can call, you know, long
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: drawn out deal. That's why some people say it's no good.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: But I was hunting in the timber several years ago
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: gunn season, sitting up there with my bowl, and I
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: had watched it looked like a spiker or forky something
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: just going back and forth chasing this dog again, just
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: like good gosh man, leave her alone whatever. He's just
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: going nuts back and forth over the little saddleite in
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: front of over the ridge doing their thing. But then
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: one time I look up and I heard crashing again,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and I look up and I see some handler. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: put my buydose up and I say, and that's not
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the spiker. And he's by himself, and he had come
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: in looking he heard the sound of all the commotion,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and I took He was probably eighty two hundred yards
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: out and I just tipped that can call, pulled out
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: in my pocket, tipped it over and I look up
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: and it caught us attention. Here he comes down that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: ridge I was sitting on. He walked yards and he'd
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: stopped and excuse me. I tipped the can call over again.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: He'd get a read on it. Here he comes to
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the twenty five yards and man, I just kept it up.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: He again walked twenty twenty yards. He look up, ears
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: come up, looking and listening. Hit him. I think I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: did three or four, you know, it licks on that
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: can call and he marched up there and turned broadside.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I shot him right there at eighteen yards maybe, but
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: he what's the classic example of that deer that was
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: here in the sound of some rutting activity, he heard
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: that chasing and again a spike buck chasing the doll around,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: and he heard that, he came looking for that, he
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: came to investigating, he knew what was up, and then
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: just intercepted him with that can call and put him
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in there and made the shot. Nice buck and and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: so um again, no call works every time. Don't let
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: somebody tell you they do. But I like that in
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the in the toolbag, just because there is a time
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: when they will and um, you know, take their temperature.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Use those calls. See what you got early November, you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: early part of the rut. It's um all the time.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes it's excuse me, just what you need to get
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: him in there where you want him with that boat.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: That what you said there about that buck here and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that little guy chasing around. I read something years and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: years ago that Scott Bestel wrote in Field and Stream,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: where I think it was Scott Bestl where he said
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the best deer call you could probably ever have would
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: be the sound of deer running. Yeah, and I mean
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: it's just but again, you know, and that's the strategy
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: people use walking into their stands and stuff. You know,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: if you if and I firmly believe in it, I
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: believe in the same way I don't know if you
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: do this or not, but I carry a mouth call,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a turkey mouth call with me a lot. And if
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I have to walk in and there's leaves and it's calm,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I just scratched my way in and I yelped softly.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: And I've had I've had two awesome things happened there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I've had deer be really close to me, and I've
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: called in turkeys when I've done it. And but but
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: just sounding you know, sounding like the woods is really important. Um.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: When you let's let's say you strike out on this
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: late October right away in November pattern and you're moving
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: to the just chasing, chasing phase crazy November seven eight,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: things should be busting open. Where are you sitting? Yeah,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of the deal for me. November twelve
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: has always has become my my hot days used to be, uh,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you know, when I lived in Motana, I had a
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: streak of November eight being the day to go to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: day for me and just killed bucks on that day
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: for a number of years. And then when I got
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: back the Tennessee, it became November twelve through thirteen, fourteens
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: right in there. And so that's kind of where I've
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: looked and where I you know, had some good success
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: here West. Gonna see you over the recent years. But uh,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in those couple of years, I've noticed that, you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: just catching those deer slipping along a couple of different
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: transition lines. And you know, I've got some uh thick
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: cover that I love to sit in several spots, and
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: it's just that that ticket where I know those doves
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: are going to hang out and they're gonna be in
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: there going there to bed, and those bucks have just
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: come up cruising that that um getting that transition line
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and he'll be on that down one side and he
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: can just cruise up that line and and uh check
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that area for anything happening. That just it happens to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: be where my tree stands at. So um two different
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: pieces of property that I think back on that I've
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I've been successful on from that and they're both the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: same situation, catching bucks slipping that that low slide of
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: that transition line and um that may be pinch points
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that maybe just again transition lines. And I got an
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: oak ridge that's more open and they'body cruising through the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: oak ridge. But you know, you just down down one
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: side of that ticket with you know, where the does
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: hang out. And so those are a couple of fun spots.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: But again just getting getting those travel routes where that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I know that those bucks, those doves have been are
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: there gonna be at some point cruising in and out
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: of you can dang sure bet come you know November tenth, seventh,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: eight tenth, and the fifteenth or whatever, that he's not
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be far behind you. You know, I love seeing
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: six seven doughs go by, and you know you're thinking, man,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: why is there not a buck with him? Just give
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: him some time because he's coming. He won't be far behind,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna come and just sent check that area
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: that they just you know, went into and bedded, you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and so um yeah, So I look for those transition
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: lines areas you know, on again on the outside lines
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: of those, and I'll set up shop on that just
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: knowing that he's gonna be on that down one side. Obviously,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work the win, play the win
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: on those situations and and um, but looking for those
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: places where I know that buck can cruise that down
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: one side of it and he can check that whole area,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and and they're so slick like that, you
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: know they they'll do that. And I watched the buck
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: come through several years ago on at low side of
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the bottoms, and I watched and I saw him coming
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: from an hundred yards away and he would come through
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and he'd have that that knows up and uh just
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: lip curl and he'd go and make a scrape. He
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: checked scrapes and licking branches. But he was just working
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: up that you know that low uh bottom side, you
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: know bottom greenbriers, all the betting gear and he was
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: just checking it out and so um, just catching those
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: bucks cruising up that line, looking and lifting. Do you
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: think because there's I mean, there's really kind of two
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: facts of rut hunting strategies right there. Is that hunt
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the does strategy, And what you're talking about is playing
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: a doe betting area. You know a lot of people
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: will just go to the food sources and wait for
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the doors to come out and hope they bring a
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: buck out with them, which which works too. But your
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: strategy is really doable, I think for more pressure ground
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: stuff like I I like that, Like personally, I like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: dough betting areas and getting on the downwind side way
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: more than playing that food source game for rutting bucks.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: But then you've got the other faction that's like, I
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: got this badass pinch point, I've got this funnel whatever
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it is. That terrain is just like you're gonna go
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: right here. If you go, if you go from point
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: A to point B, then you've got that strategy. And
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I kind of think that in my experience, the best,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the best hunting I've seen has probably been working those
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: doe betting areas and playing that down wind game. But
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: in some low density situations, are certain situations you just
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: can't beat that terrain feature, like if you if you
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: just have that confidence, like listen, I got four days
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: or five days or whatever. If I post up here
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: and the wind doesn't switch out of the north or
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the west, somebody's coming through, and it's it's just kind
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: of it's kind of situational, you know, oh absolutely, yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I think about the bottleneck that we've had off the field.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Beautiful field, but it's kind of the best of both
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: worlds because you can see in the fields, but you've
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: got an incredible bottleneck that's coming up in the timber
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: from a oak ridge bottleneck coming out of the bottom.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: And it's money. I mean, just it's money. I mean,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: when the rud comes, you can you can plan on
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the doors flipping through that bottleneck. It's just a travel route, man,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be somebody coming through there. And uh, there's
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: been a lot of bucks over the years, you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: taking right there again. Um, they're not out in the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: wide open for long. But when they cross, that's the
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: spot they're doing at that bottleneck. Cross that field pinches
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: down to little gap right there, and I mean it's
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: just a gauntlet, man. They can come through there and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and a lot of fun and those kind of spots
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, those are those are kind of savior
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: ass situations because you can you can sit something like
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that and and just have the confidence that eventually they're
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: coming through that that you know, playing a doe betting
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: area type of of hunt. So situational on the wind,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I know everything we do is, but
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: some of those you just have you have to be
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: able to get in there, and you have to be
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: mindful of those doughs. You have to be mindful of
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: playing the wind. So it's good for you or so
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: it's good for him, But better for you. And it's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that to me, is like a little bit more of
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a nuanced and I think that's kind of why we
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: lean so hard into the terrain, you know, the funnel's
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: pinch point strategy, because some of those are just they're
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: just no brainers, Like you just see them and you go, well,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: if they if they want to get from this ridge
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to that ridge, they're either gonna cross here, they gotta
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: jump forty ft across this washout. You know, like some
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of that stuff is just it's so easy. But there's
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: like a subtlety to that dough betting areas strategy of going, Okay,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the doors are gonna come in this way, or they're
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be in here in this spot. He's probably coming
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: from that direction or that direction. He's using the wind
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to his advantage, and he's using his eyes to his advantage.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Now I got to get into a position where he
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: thinks he's safe, but I'm close enough to shoot him,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Like it's a that's like a chess game, and that that's,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: to me, is like the most fun kind of like
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: set up to find when you're in the rut. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And you know you talked about that and just letting
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that buck feel like he's good. You know, the wind's
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: good for him, but you can make it work as well.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And that's so huge, you know, because a lot of guys,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I think they say, oh, the wind's bad for me today. Well, man,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: what is it you gotta do to make it doable
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: for you? Um? But still let that buck thinks, you know,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: during his favor and um so I do. I like
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: those spots where I've got you know, a plan, a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: plan base. Hey the wind is not good, Well I
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: can get right over here and make it good. And
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: just those little subtleties, man, just getting those small little moves. Um. Again,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of cross wind st for that reason,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: just knowing that, hey, this wind may bite me, you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: but I've got this this wind of opportunity. If I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: can make it, he's he's gonna feel good about it.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: And I've got my opportunity has tightened up. But it's
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: gonna tip the odds for you know, his comfort level
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to be good. But then you know, for me to
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: be in the right spot as well. And so again,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: just sometimes you've gotta be thinking about those is planning
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: B and C? Is it still doable or am, I'm
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: just gonna throw it all out when the plan A
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. And so finding those spots where you've got
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: a couple different options to make it happen. Even if
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: you're you know, banging off the ground, if you're just
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: getting in, you know, whatever, you gotta do. Position yourself.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Like you said, that's what's some fun about it. It's
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: just a little chess match. It just making that move.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: He thinks he's good, but he has no doubt the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: idea that you just shifted seventy five yards over around
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: that side of the pinch point and now you got him,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: you know. So that's a whole heck of a lot
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: of fun, it is. And you know, I think one
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: thing that happens a lot with Rutt Hunts is you know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: we preached this all day, said and which is you
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: know you should be doing that if you have the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: right set up. Absolutely, But there's also this reality where
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you go, I'm going into that river crossing tomorrow and
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going into this pinch point and I'm gonna sit
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: all day. I'm bringing my coffee and bringing my sandwiches,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: um and I'm gonna find the end of the internet.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: By the end of the day. I'm gonna do everything
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I can to stay there, and then at eleven o'clock
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the wind switches and you go, well, he could still
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: come from this way or that way. Like, man, you
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: gotta know when to pull the plug. And it, like
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you said, if you have that backup option, pulling the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: plug is is easier. If you don't have that and
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you talk yourself into sitting there, then you might get
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: in trouble, you know, And it's it's an in the
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: moment thing. And I think, I think what you really
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: learned when you hunt a lot of different places and
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: you go to a lot of public land where there's
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: like just there's just stuff out of your control, you know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: like people coming in and what you just you get
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: kind of used to that that mentality like Okay, this
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: one went south, what's next. It's not you know, it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: not going to take you out of the game. You're
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: just like, Okay, well, you know a lot of times
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: when I go hunt and ship goes wrong and I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: gotta do something else. And if you expect that and
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: you have that plan B built in place, you know,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: like there's just times where you sometimes you gotta get
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: out of that tree and go build a natural ground
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: line like you know, or just just whatever to stay
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: out there. But to make those decisions and commit to
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: them versus talking yourself into righting out a bad program.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: It's important, and it's it's tough. It's tougher than people think. Yeah. Yeah,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: some many getting times guys were like, well, heck, I'm
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I'm here. I might as well just sit here and
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: right it out, knowing the winds were holding up into
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the completely wrong spot. But it just comes down to
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: laziness and and you know, I don't want to move,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to pull my set down or
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to the truck or whatever.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: You know, they come up with a million different excused
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to just to keep doing what they're doing even though
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: they know it's wrong. Um and and that's that's so
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: much what we've got to say. You know what, this
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: is wrong, it's no good. It's not gonna happen here.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: And if it does happen here, I'm busted. And and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: you know you gotta just again, you gotta figure out
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: how to roll with the punches. No one to hold them,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: no one to fold them. And uh so, uh that's
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: that's huge, you know, having that just at mindset where
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you're willing to do something different. I think that's a
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: lot of it. A lot of guys go, oh this
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: just sucks. Man, this this is no good. I'm out. Um.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: But you know, no one say hey, why is this
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: not good? And how can I make it different? How
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: can I make it better? What do I need to
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: do to improve my odds for success? And being willing
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to do that? You know, there's a lot of guys
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and you leave a lot of guys behind just by that,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you know, having that mentality. Uh, we got a lot
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: of them again, they're just they're just lazy. They want
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: the easy hunt, they want the easy set, they want
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: the easy action. When it doesn't happen, they're gone. Um.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: But man, if we can realize how there's a better way,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: there's another way. Uh, it's just gonna be for odds
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: up for sure. Yeah. I I really think, I really
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: think that the message of finding a way to stay
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: in the woods longer and not not you. So we
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: do this a lot where we make excuses to go
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: out because we kind of like the wind switch. While
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's the smart thing to not hunt or
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it's seventy degrees on November six, and it's to you know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: it's the smart thing to not hunt. And I was like,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: just go go something. Maybe don't go to your best spot,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: but go. And I know you've seen this and I'll
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: never forget. I mean, I've told this story a million times.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: The biggest buck I ever killed in my life was
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: on public land in Nebraska. And that morning, the amount
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: of trucks that came into that property we were hunting
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: was ridiculous. It's a there's about as actually like hunting
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: cover in there, and we had like eight vehicles come in,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and there were other guys camp they're already and so
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the the hunter per square mile. There was nuts, right,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: guys rattling whatever. But I went out and that morning
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: climbed up the ridge, went to the back of the property,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: killed the biggest buck in my life, saw three other
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: good ones. One of the guys we walked in from Michigan,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: who just happened to be walking in close to us,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: killed a great buck, like a seventeen inch wide eight pointer,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: and then my buddy killed an eight pointer on the
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: same ridge. And what was interesting was I shot my
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: buck early, you know, I mean I had you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: it happened pretty quickly, and I let him. I thought
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I smoked him, but I let him layout a little while.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: And so then when I found him, you know, it
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: was it was probably like I guess ten, maybe eleven
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning when I walked back to camp
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: to go get my dear cart and go back and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: get this buck. And partially because I didn't want to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: screw up my buddy because he was down the ridge.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: But when we got back to camp, those trucks were gone.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: There was one guy left, and so we watched, you know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: eight trucks come in there in the dark. It was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: a freaking parade and all these headlamps going out and on.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: This was like November seven. By the time I get
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: back at mid morning, eleven o'clock, they're gone, and those
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: bucks are still out there chasing those doughs, you know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and so and it's it's really I think, you know,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: when I talked to guys like you, and I talked
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: to any May and Eddie Claypool and these people who
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: are just freaking killers out there, that that ability to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: just kind of go, okay, well, this is what I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: do now that this didn't work is huge. The ability
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: to adapt and just not not only like not make
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: the excuses, just not get down, just go Okay, the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: circumstances have changed, and now I'm gonna do this. It's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: it really kind of separates the deer watchers from the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: deer killers a lot of times. Yeah. Absolutely. And you
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: know you've talked in recent podcasts and over the years
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: about water access and moving water recently, and um, I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: love that because that's a lot of my strategy is.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: You know, you you've got some of these guys, like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: you said, you got headlamps going everywhere, you got trucks
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: at the parking lot. But so many times I'll slip
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: in via the use of a kayak, water access whatever,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: and they're banging around up there doing their deal, and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going under the radar, slipping in by that kayak
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: down within the banks. And so many times I've just
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: walked in or cruised in on the back side of
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: that stuff and let those guys all that activity just
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: pushing right down to me. And uh, like I said,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: those dear no when they're coming and going, Man, they
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: they pattern us. They know, Hey, nine ten o'clock they're gone,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: you know, heading back for chicken biscuit, and uh, the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: woods are wide open again and they just pick up activity,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: resume doing their deal. And so I love that water
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: access against slipping on the back side where I know
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys doing their things slipping. Um,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: they can go backside that covers you often look and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: you know the deal. The back side of um, the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: edge of that water access so many times can be
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: just the ideal bedding cover, ideal hang out, escape out, sanctuary.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: And so finding myself in the position to myself and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: those um that first part of the rud or whatever,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: when all those guys coming in off the highway doing
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: their thing and just sit in that spot. Man, it's
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: it's fun when the sun comes up. You know, dude,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I'm in the right spot. I don't care how many
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: guys coming up off that road. I'm in the right
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: spot for that, you know, exit strategy for those deer
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and uh, that can be a lot of fun in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: and of itself. So yeah, man, don't let the extra traffic.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody wants to see that. We're all disappointed
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: when you pull up and there's somebody already there or
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: there's uh, five guys that come after you or whatever.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: But man, even with that, like we said, you've got
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to learn to roll to plan B, C, A, D whatever. Uh.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: And even on the front side, just having that idea,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: that strategy, Hey, this is the public peace. This is
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be heavily hit. What's the backside looked like?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: How can I come in by water? How can I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: hunt the other side of the river that that that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: they're not coming to you know, they're not wearing their
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: waiters in or or whatever. And I cruise in on
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: those spots and and uh, it opened up a whole
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: new world. Yeah. And you know that the water access
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: that we've you've covered that so much, but it is
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: so important. And what it is is we really underestimate
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: the impact we make make going into spots a lot
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: of times. And you know, you could walk into the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: best spot out there, and if you walk in wrong,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a very good hunt. It's just
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: that's just how it works. If they know you went
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: in there, it's no bueno. And we just do that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: to ourselves so often. And so not only can you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: when you're talking water access or some of these sneaky
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: ways to get in. Not only can you get to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: these parts of the properties that maybe aren't getting hunted
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: as hard, you're just getting in a way where they
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: don't know you're there, and you're getting in close to them.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: And that's that's one of the things. You know, everybody's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: hunting mornings now this time of year. But you know,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I've talked about this so much and people will say, well,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't hunt mornings in September and early October,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Like that's crazy talk. It's all about your access, Like
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: it's all about how you can get in and how
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: you plant, where do you park, and how do you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: like circle around? And so much of that is like
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: the work of hunting, like so much of just making
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: sure that you're not making a dumb mistake and walking
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: an extra half a mile. That's like the real work
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: of hunting pressure deer a lot of times. And you know,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: there are a situations where you can't do it, if
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: you've got little properties or something like that, that you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: just can't do it. But that's part of the reason
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: why we like big chunks of public land sometimes like yeah,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: you can you can go park in the w M
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: A parking area and you can walk the same trail
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: in and everybody takes. Or you can park by the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: bridge there on the highway, drop down there and get
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: into the river and come in the way. The deer
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: just don't expect you, and I just think we don't,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: you know. I always get this this kind of revelation
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: every couple of years when I'm hunting up in northern
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin where the predator population is so freaking high, that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: we have these dos and these deer concentrations right by
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: the cabins and right by the houses and right by
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: the highways, and and I'm always like, it's so weird
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: that I get back into this swamp and it looks
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: awesome and it's like a dead sea for deer sign
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm hunting this stupid tree row right by this
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: county road, and here's a whole bunch of deer, and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I just maybe there's a different reason, But in my head,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, the bears and the coyotes and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the wolves and the bobcats they live in that swamp,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and these deer, you know, these these does that get
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: smart and they're pulling off a couple of fawns or
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: a fawn every year they're beding right by the cabin,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: and they're like these two legged predators. I'm not as
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: worried about them because I got a pattern them Versus
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: those four leggers that are out here day and night,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: seven all year round. I think, I think that stuff matters, man. Yeah, absolutely,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: That's why we think so many opportunities you can legally
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: pull it off. Funding closer to the house, closer to roads.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: And I think about all the deer we drive right
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: by that are sitting there on that you know, seventy
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: five yards off the road, bedded there on a little
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: little hump off the side of the road, a little
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: ridge up there, and we drive by. And I don't
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: want to give away too many secrets that you and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I use, but I mean, that's that's it. I mean,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think about so many of those things,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you know, just overlook stuff. Um. So many of the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: little public pieces that I hunt are not very big
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: at all, you know, they're small pieces of ground that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: they're stuff that people drive by every day and they
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: they don't think anything of it. And I'm thinking, man,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: there's deer hanging out and that because there's no pressure there. Yes,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: it's right there behind the business. Yes, it's right there
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: next to the house or whatever, next to the road.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: But like you said, those deer have learned there nothing
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: happening here. There's nothing going on here, there's no pressure here.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go. And again they're just they're staying
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: away from that uh pressure, any predators, whatever it is.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: And yeah, some of those are the best spots for sure. Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And and they can they can really work in your
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: favor in the rut too. And this is something it's
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: this sort of a message we don't get out much
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: because we we talk about the rut solving all of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: our problems, right, like all the deer are gonna be
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: running like crazy, and they're gonna be going through these
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: pinch points and this fence crossing and whatever. But when
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: you go out, even when you hunt a good place,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: if there's no guarantee of that like there, you know
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: you can have. This is I think the hardest thing
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: about the rut a lot of times is our expectations
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: are so high and then you get out there and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: you realize, like I could go sit all day and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: not see a deer or see one deer, and then
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: it's like, how do you stay in the game there?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: And you think about, you know, like what you're talking
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: about here with these concentrations of deer wherever they're going
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: to be, if they're right next to the county road
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like, you have to find that now, thank
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: you have. You have to be open to looking for that,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: just like you said with your staging area strategy earlier.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: If you if you go try that thing, you believe
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: in your heart and soul where the deer coming. They
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: don't come, Okay, where are they? You know? And this
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: this comes up a lot, but you see this, especially
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: this time of year where dear land down sign man,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: like they're they're letting you know. And if you go
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm gonna hike all the way back
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: to the back of this this property and I'm gonna
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: be snorting lines of freaking mounta Knops off the back
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: of my pack to make it back there. Whatever. And
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: then you get back there and it's just not happening.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: But you walk through an area of two yards from
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the parking lot that had a bunch of sign in it.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: You missed it. And everybody does this, like we we
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: fall in love with our ideas and we fall in
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: love with our strategies, and then you get out into nature,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and nature says, actually it's happening right here, bro, walk
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: by it, don't walk by it. I don't care. But
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: what you what you actually want to find, is all
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: around you right now. And you're you're married to this
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: idea that you gotta go here or do this or
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: sit this spot. And it's just not it's not so
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: cut and dry. Yeah, yeah, you've got to that. Then
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: you've got so much of the the idea. Unfortunately, so
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: many of the YouTube channels and and public strategies and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: all the stuff that we're seeing the social media and YouTube,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: you see so many guys that are pushing the whole
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: deal of of I mean, you gotta walk six miles
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: in here, and then the next guy is like, oh dude, no,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I walked seven miles. And it's this contest of who's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: the baddest dude in the woods. Public hunting, and you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: can't hunt under two miles from the truck and be
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: a man, you know what I'm saying. That's what the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: That's what the chicks do, right, the girls that are
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: just getting started, that's what they do anybody that's been
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: hunting along. Any man's gonna walk at least through or
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: four maybe five miles, and and you know, I've got
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: nothing to prove anymore. Man, I'm not into that. If
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I can find deer within a hundred yards of the road,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: and I can legally hunt, you know, a couple hundred
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: yards from the road, whatever, I'm dude, I'm right next
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: the road. I mean, go with the sign, don't leave
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: dear to go find dear. You know, that's the biggest thing.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: And we do that so many times, just to prove
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: something that we're we're tougher. We you know, we we
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: walked into the woods and you know, beat the mosquitoes
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: and you whatever. I think we're in a dangerous spot
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: right now because everybody wants to be the baddest deer
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: hunter in the woods. You know what I'm saying that
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: they you see it all the time, you know, and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: it's it's if you're not hunting public plan or if
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: you're not hunting out of saddle. Uh, if you're not
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: you know, hunting fifty feet in the tree. You know whatever,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: it just keeps going up and up, and what do
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: you gotta do to be the bad dude you know
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: in the woods or whatever. It's like, Man, make it,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: you know, just kill kill deer, you know, I mean,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: don't you don't have to get all this stuff on
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: to impress everybody else. Just do what it takes to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: kill deer, and and don't worry about all the other stuff. Yeah,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and go have some freaking fun and that that uh,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: all right. We can't help ourselves. I was talking to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: a buddy of mine this morning who he killed a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: freaking stud buck in Minnesota last year. It was I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: don't remember what it scored. It was it was like
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: upper one forties, I think, but it was heavy and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: it was it was a freaking tote of it. It
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: was a great luck. And he said he talked to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: a guy the other day who saw a picture of it,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: and the guy was like, yeah, you know, this area
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: of the state would be good if you guys would
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: just stop shooting all those little three year olds. And
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: this deer was a like, so nobody's passing up this dear,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Like unless your name, if your last name is the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Constier Dury, you might pass Otherwise nobody else's like, everybody
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: kills this buck. And he was just like I'm just
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: so sick of that, that kind of idea that like,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: you know, like you're so special if you target huge
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: books or like maybe not even that just to like
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: talk down on other people's dear. It's just it's so bizarre,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: and we just can't help ourselves, like we're so locked
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: into the trophy thing that we just forget like, man,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to be fun. Like when you go
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: climb into that tree, you're supposed to be enjoying it.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's one of the things that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: I really like talking to the hunting public guys, Like
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I think that you know, everybody's like, oh, it's act
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: showed us how to stalk deer on the ground, or
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: they showed us that deer can be killed in public land,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: like they did that. But what they did was they
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: showed people that you can have a hell of a
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: lot of fun doing this stuff. And I think that
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: was like sort of the great intangible that made them
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: so popular is people looked at that and they go,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: these guys are having fun, Like they're not taking themselves
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: super seriously and you know, preaching this bullshit of you know,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: the trophy management stuff. They're just like we're just out
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: here enjoying it our way and having a blast, and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: that's refreshing. And I think I think that's what we
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: have to be really careful with when we talk about
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: rut hunting. Like I kind of mentioned earlier, is people
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: are so often like, this is my chance to go
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: kill a giant, Like yeah, you know of bow hunters
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: might do that, or you know by this time this season,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: maybe ten or twelve percent of bow hunters will fill
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: their tags in November and be done. The rest of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: you won't. Like, okay, so do you do you wanna
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: like and you want to hold out, go ahead, but
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: do you want to go have a lot of fun?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Like if that might not be it for you, Like
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: waiting for that one seventy just because it's the rut
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: might not work, you know, Like you go out and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: start working these deer concentrations like we're talking about instead
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: of saying like it's November seven, I'm only targeting big bucks,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: like you can, you can be hunting for that, but
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: if you're not hunting for deer concentrations where they are
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: right now, you're probably missing the boat. Yeah absolutely, yeah,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: so true. And uh, like you said, man, just positioning
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  Speaker 1: yourself where it can happen, getting your odds up, um,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: but just not missing out on the fun. My gosh, man,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I again you like you said that the percentage of
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  Speaker 1: the guys that are going to kill that stud giant
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: what you dream about? The buck we all dream about, Um,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: those are those are pretty few and far between, depending
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: on where you are in the in the country. Um.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: For me, it's more like, man, you know what, it's
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  Speaker 1: the first week in November. Anything can happen with every
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: time I sit in that stand, I'm not gonna miss out.
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  Speaker 1: Just the excitement of knowing that anything can happen every
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: time I put my button that stand. That to me
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  Speaker 1: is where it's at. Just the fun of that, just
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  Speaker 1: knowing that, Man, I'm not missing a sunrise because again
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's the first week, second week in November into
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: October whatever, and dude, anything can happen. I mean, it's
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: just at this time of year. Um, and so I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: want to ride it out and be there as much
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: as I can. And you know, Hunt smart, you know,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: obviously don't just go blowing up your spots just because
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: you feel like you need to be there every day.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: But Hunt Smart strategically, but just be there. It's time
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: to be there, man, and get in the woods and
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: again catch those bucks as they first start to venture
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: out from those beds and get wandering a little further
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: and a little further, and he's realizing. Your trail cameras
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: will show you. You know, if you run trail cameras,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: you're gonna see, Hey, he's you know, he's gone from uh,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: coming out into the field or whatever at twelve o'clock
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: at night. Now he's you know, ten o'clock and now
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: it's creeping, you know, and you'll say that little trend,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: that transition. He starts creeping closer and closer, and it's
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: happened at this time of year. Next thing, you know,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: he's right there right before dark and and and those
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: are times when I say, you know what, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to be there because he's creeping closer and closer a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: daylight and then boom, next thing, you know, here he
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: comes down the trail. So it's you gotta be there
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: this time of year. Absolutely. That's you bring up a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: good point there about trail cameras, where you know the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: midnight picture, Yeah, that's cool, whatever, he's there, but that
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  Speaker 1: picture right after dark on that food plot or that
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  Speaker 1: field edge. That's telling you something. I keep that that's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: telling you you're not dealing with a nocturnal deer. You're
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: telling you're dealing with a deer you can kill in
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: a staging area. Uh. The other thing you said there
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  Speaker 1: about you know, not missing a sunrise. I think. I
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  Speaker 1: think when you get to a certain age and you
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: get a lot of experience in this, you realize, you know,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: like the maybe the first two weeks in November are
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: the best example out in the outdoors. Like when you
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: when you've done this a lot, you want to put
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: yourself in the woods, like because how many Novembers are
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: you gonna get? It's it's like elk hunting, Like you
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: go elk hunting and you have one good elk hunt,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: It's like how many? You know, if you live where
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of the listeners here do you're not getting
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: that many weeks in the mountains dead or you know
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the first four or five days of Turkey season, like
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: you want to miss that one of those? More way man,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: And the thing about it is the fun of deer hunting.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: We we we've we've painted this picture of like and
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: we default to this all the time. I do it
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: all the time where it's the killing the big bucks
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: is kind of what we de fault to talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the things that makes it so damn
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: enjoyable is believing you've got a real shot of seeing deer.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Like when you go like you talked about that bottlenecks stand,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: that's just money. When you when the conditions set up
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and you've got some history with a spot, or you
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: walk in and the freaking sign is legit and you
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: you hang that standard, you saddle up, and you just
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: believe it even when you don't see anything, Like if
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: you flame out for whatever reason, that's still more fun
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: than a lot of hunts because you're sitting there going
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: on any second. It's you know, that's one of the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: reasons that those early season uh you know, velvet hunts
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: or those early season western kind of river type hunts
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: are so fun. You know, you sit up there in
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: glad said you go, Jesus, I saw seventeen deer cross
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: here yesterday, and I'm gonna go hang to stand here today.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Like even if for whatever reason, the pack of coyotes
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: a mountline comes in other hunters and it gets blown up.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: The time that you're sitting there, You're like, this is there.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: I can't think of hardly a better way to use
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: my time than plant my butt in a tree. Then yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: absolutely that happened back in early season, you know, in Kentucky.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I remember sitting there. Know when I'm in the right spot,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Just just that nausea, just that almost
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: the butterflies. My hands starts sweating at last thirty forty
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: five minutes a daylight. I'm sitting there in my hands
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: or sweat. I ain't even seen it here yet, but
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: just knowing, hey, it's about to happen, it's about to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: go down. And again I get the butterflies, get the jitters,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: knowledge of sweaty hands, and on the Lord, have mercy.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can handle this when it
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: does happen, you know, And um and gods, that just again,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: that experience, that excitement. Um, that's why we need to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: do it. Man, you're gonna have if you can learn
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: to love that, that's uh, you're gonna get more of
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: that than you are. That encounter with the with the giant,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: that's a few and far between. Like we said, but man,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: if you can learn to love the experience, love this
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: the journey along the way to get into that shot opportunity, man,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: it's that's where you're gonna make your money. Man, that's
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: a that's the good stuff. That's uh, that's just enjoying
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: it and in my mind being there for the right reason.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Just enjoying the journey along the way and not missing
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: out on all that because you're so focused on I've
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: got to find this one book that I saw one
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: time on a trail camera at midnight back in August.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, you know so
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: many people will just blow their whole season for something
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: that a fleeting glance of a deer they've never seen
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: in daylight. And so man, just enjoy the ride, enjoy
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: the journey. There's nothing like it. Yeah, I need I
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: want to just I want to. I want to tie
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: a bow on this with a to go back to
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: that what you said about, um, you know, not missing
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: the sunrise. Like that's one thing that I'm trying to
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: like really instilling my daughter's like you, I do this
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: in the summer with our small off fishing. You know,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: they can get up, can get up and we can
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: we can hit the lake at sunrise. There's no boats out,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: there's no jet skiers, there's no other kids to play with,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: yet everybody's still sleeping. You just get that moment of,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you know, two hours of awesome top water fishing and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: it doesn't take away anything else from your day. Really,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you might be a little tired, but it's
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: like you never regret it. Even when you go out
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: and the fishing is not that good, you've got a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: cold front come in, or something happens, you still never
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: regret it. Just like getting up for turkey. It's just
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: like getting out there. You know, even if it's November
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: twenty and you're like, oh man, it's gonna be a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: lockdown and you know whatever is not happening, I'm like, man,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe it's gonna suck. But if you
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: go into it and still think, oh it's November and
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: something could happen, and like, there's a lot worse ways
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: to spend your time, I can go get into the woods,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: like I think. I think that one of the biggest
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: keys to becoming like really content, you know, happy hunter
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: who kills a lot, is just accepting the fact that
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: you like being out there more than anything else, and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: just making that whenever if the family is squared away
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: and everything is squared away, and you can be out there,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: be out there, that's right. Absolutely, Yeah, you gotta put
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: your time in. I remember you reading articles, you know,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff when I was a kid.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: You know, I can see articles of of you just
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: gotta put your time and you gotta put your time
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: in hunt as much as you can. And um and
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, you gotta take care of
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: your responsibilities and your family and and make sure you're
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: not neglecting time you need to be having with your
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: wife and kids. But um my, gosh, man, you gotta
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: put that time in. I mean, I know so many
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: days where I've slept in it just got lazy, you know,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: up and beating it up all through archery season, and um,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: you know again November gets here, I'm like, gosh, dang,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I don't you know you started making excuses for why
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna not hunt this stand or whatever. And I'm like, dude,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: you you can sleep. You can sleep in December or
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: gyne you know what. You can sleeping in a duck
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: season whatever. After duck season. Um, but you you've got
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: to get there, man, And like you said, you can
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: take that midday nap or whatever, but man, I just
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: hate to make the morning. Um just being lazy during
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the rut, you know, at these first few weeks November, gosh,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: you just as much as I can be. I'm gonna
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: try to be out there and you know, get hunt smart,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm just not missing out on those opportunities when
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: they come by. So yeah, I really realized how how
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: important that was when I quit drinking and I woke
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: up every day like Okay, you know, I'm still tired
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: and stuff like, but just not feeling like shit and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: just it's just how it changed my my perspective of
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: of every hunt and every string of hunts where it's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: you know, you're on a trip with your buddies and
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: it's seven days or it's the sixth day of your
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: your rut caation. Just it made me appreciate being out
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: there a hell of a lot more because I wasn't
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: fighting against this anything that I was dragging myself down with.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Managed it changed everything. It's so worth being out there.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Everybody's listening to this, do not take any time off
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: during the rut even if you hunt the same public
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: land that I do, or Brodie does go out there
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: with us. Uh Brodie As always, man, is so much
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: fun to talk to you. Thanks for coming on. Good luck,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: good luck with you rattling in the next week, and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: good luck with all of your red hunts. This yere buddy,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Hey man, same to you. I look forward to seeing
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: some pictures roll through, shoot me some messages, let me
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: know what's happened in the East next few weeks. Awesome,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, Like man, that's it for this week, folks,
• 1:22:23
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• 1:22:25
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• 1:22:27
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• 1:22:31
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• 1:22:33
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