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The mouths of the Wicked: A true January 6 story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Today's conversation is with an author, artist, farmer, and former radio broadcast personality with a proud veteran of the United States Navy, Thomas E.
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  Caldwell, with his book, The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January 6th story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory.
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  A story of overcoming a secret tribunal slander, perjury, and falsification of evidence to expose an intricate conspiracy within this nation's capital.
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  Now, for those of you that have been joining, been following me here for a while, you know that we I we talk to five different authors a week, which means I have to review five different books every single week, which is like I don't really read.
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  I before I didn't really, I've learned how to read fast.
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  So I've learned how to read faster.
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  And occasionally a book comes across that is so compelling.
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  I do more than skim it, and I have a method for going through these books, and this is one of those books.
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  It I read the entire thing.
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  It just sucks you in and has an incredible story.
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  Tom has just told an incredible story that will talk a little bit more about this here today.
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  So, Tom, welcome to the 10 Penny Files, and thank you for joining me.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Dr.
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  Sherry, it is a pleasure to be with you today.
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  You know, your story truly is one of the most shocking, unique stories about the whole January 6th escapade, but also the wrongful persecution, the dirty tricks by the government, the physical abuse, the sexual abuse, the withholding your prescription medications to cause you to have seizures.
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  I mean, and and it the persecutions for an accusation just went on and on.
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  Can you show can you share with us to get to start the conversation some of what makes your experience so frightening?
• 4:26
  Well, sure.
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  Um people need to know is most of what you've been told about January 6th just doesn't ring true for those of us who have had to suffer the slings and arrows and worse of the Biden administration.
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  So January 6th, why are we still talking about it?
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  Because this was a time when the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Rights of Man were thrown out.
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  Now, my wife and I did go to January 6th.
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  We went there just to say goodbye to the president.
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  Apparently he had lost the election.
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  I'm an old guy.
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  I was 66 when this all happened.
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  Sometimes the guy I vote for wins, and sometimes he doesn't.
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  But Sharon and I, my darling wife, we had never been to a Trump rally.
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  We thought this might be pretty cool thing to do.
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  Washington, D.C.
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  is the city of my birth.
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  We live on a small generational farm in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, and we're an hour and a half away.
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  We thought, well, let's go and say goodbye to the president.
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  So we did.
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  Our experience, especially down on the ellipse, which is right across from the White House, the southern end of the White House, it was a love fest.
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  There were hundreds of thousands of people there, all happy, singing patriotic songs and what we now call classic rock.
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  The president said, hey, let's go down to the Capitol and peacefully let our voices be heard.
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  Most people don't know that the honorable Mayor Bowser, the mayor of Washington, D.C.
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  had issued a lot of permits for conservative and Christian speakers to speak on the grounds of the Capitol that day.
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  This was not a surge of a mob.
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  A lot of people were going there to hear people, like Dr.
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  Simone Gold, for example, speaking on uh temporary stages that were set up there on the grounds.
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  So we went there, Sharon and I went down.
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  It was so bitterly cold, Dr.
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  Sherry that day, so bitterly cold.
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  I'm a disabled veteran.
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  That's stumping down Constitution Avenue was the longest mile I've ever taken.
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  Just pounded along with my game.
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  We got down to a place called the Peace Fountain with a Peace Monument.
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  It's a dry fountain in the middle of the winter.
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  We're about three football fields away from the Capitol.
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  That's where we spent most of the day.
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  We took so many pictures and videos of lovely people that we saw.
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  And you know what?
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  There wasn't one bit of violence in any of that.
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  Now, imagine our surprise after we went home.
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  Two weeks kicked by, and then in the early morning darkness of the 19th of January, an FBI SWAT team with an armored vehicle and at least two dozen body armor clad thugs with M4 automatic rifles to send on our farm and scream for me to come out with the search lights blasting in my face.
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  You figure if they wanted to talk to me, they could have just knocked on the door.
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  But instead, they were making a statement, a statement of terror.
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  And they pulled me across our lawn, chained me up, double chains, uh, handcuffs in the front.
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  Those handcuffs were fixed to a heavy waist chain around my waist, and I was shoved face down on the hood of a government car.
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  And doctor, that's when I learned what true terror is.
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  I asked people, do you like you like scary movies?
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  What if you're in one?
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  So I look back on the porch that I had exited just a few moments ago, and there was my wife standing there in naught but a night shirt in the glare of these lights with these monsters screaming at her.
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  And I didn't understand, she didn't understand exactly what they wanted, but she was in full compliance.
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  And that's when I saw what I call the devil's fireflies.
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  They were the laser pointers of these automatic rifles dancing across her face and her chest.
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  And I thought, rightly so.
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  She was a finger twitch away from death.
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  And that's when I called out, Abba Father, please don't let them murder my wife.
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  Please don't let them kill my wife.
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  I'm sorry, all these years later, I still get very upset about that.
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  But you know, our father heard and he answered.
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  That was probably the first time in my adult life that I ever actually called out to our heavenly father.
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  The FBI slammed me into a vehicle.
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  I didn't know for the longest time, and Sharon was even still alive.
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  I also committed what they often call on TV the unpardonable sin of actually talking to the feds without a lawyer present.
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  Oh, I asked for one, but that wasn't going to happen.
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  And Doctor, I didn't have anything to hide.
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  I didn't do anything wrong.
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  And in the three-hour someone called Gestapo interrogation, I'll just call it an interview.
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  Uh, it was very clear that they knew that I hadn't done anything wrong.
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  You know, Sharon and I had the most exhaustive pictorial history of our day.
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  I'm not saying that some people didn't do some funky things on January 6th.
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  I'm saying we didn't, and the government knew.
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  And they had access to all these phones, the phone information, all the pictures that we had taken.
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  And yet, during that interview, they said things to me like, I guess you're sorry you voted for Trump now, huh?
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  Is there any question about what January 6th was all about, Doc?
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  Yeah, you know, since you never went to the Capitol, or you never went into the Capitol.
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  Correct.
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  Sat outside on a like a fountain area.
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  You was, you know, like you said, after your long walk, you just wanted to find a place to sit.
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  So you sat outside, you were talking to people, singing to people, laughing.
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  You never critic committed any crime.
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  You never were part of a group.
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  You didn't plan any violence.
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  And since the government knew.
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  You were innocent.
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  Why did they?
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  And you're a retired veteran.
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  Why did they target you?
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  A lot of people have asked that, and we we don't know for certain.
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  It was clear when they were talking to me that yes, they knew they knew that I was uh I was innocent, but they hadn't done any research on me at all.
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  They didn't know that I was a veteran, didn't know I was a disabled veteran doctor.
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  They didn't even know that I used to work for the FBI.
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  Wow.
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  A simple search of their employment records would have helped them with that.
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  But no, I think that some of the agents that were involved in this take down were doing this because they thought it was career enhancing.
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  The directive was coming down from the DOJ headquarters, the uh you was the attorney general.
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  FBI is a subset of the DOJ.
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  But in there's so many different ways uh that our case, my wife Sharon's and mine uh is is different.
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  Um, for example, Sharon and I were together all day on January 6th, but they arrested me but never arrested her.
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  Again, it goes to what you were asking about targeting.
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  And I think I think I'm going to get there in just a minute.
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  But in their press releases, the government told the whole world that I was the mastermind of January 6th.
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  Didn't go in, didn't do anything wrong.
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  But you know, why let the facts get in the way of a good fairy tale?
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  And they threw me in prison.
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  And boy, there's a lot to talk about there.
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  And you hit on some of it at the very beginning, but they put us through the ringer.
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  I was locked up, I was tortured, and I don't use that word lightly.
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  Um, I wrote this book that you talked about, and I'm so pleased and proud that you felt it was compelling enough to have me on your program, let alone read the whole thing.
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  Um, it was important for me to put down in writing an indisputable record of the attack of the federal government against at least one US citizen.
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  I bring the receipts.
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  I've got, as you know, about 24 pages of end notes.
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  I would like somebody to try to fact check me.
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  I'm an intelligence officer.
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  I think I know how to pull things together.
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  But not only was that a major difference, but I would later be subjected to a 10 and a half week long jury trial in Washington, DC, where there was no chance of getting a fair trial at all.
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  And even after that, Sharon and I had to fight for three more years to get some kind of modicum of freedom back, some some semblance of a peaceful life like the one that we had originally known.
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  You know, you spank in your book you in your book um Mouth the Mouths of Wick the Wicked Boy, which is such an apt title after everything that you went through.
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  You speak frankly about solitary confinement and what they did to you.
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  Um, what were some of the conditions like and how did you maintain your resolve during that time?
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  You know, as I was reading, we spoke about this briefly before we started the conversation.
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  As I'm reading this, uh the the thoughts that kept going through my mind were this is in an American jail, they call a prison, and this is the torture stuff they were doing to an accused person that wasn't even convicted.
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  And it sounded like a you know, a deep underground prison somewhere in the Middle East of what was happening to you and others that were in there.
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  Tell us a little bit about that mistreatment and how did you maintain your resolve?
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  I was woefully uninformed about what goes on in the jails and the prisons in our country.
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  And I think I'm not alone in that.
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  Uh maybe many of your uh your viewers don't have any idea.
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  Um, I was thrust into solitary confinement, which is supposed to be some sort of punishment, but I was slammed into that pretty early on in my time.
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  Um, everything was taken away from me.
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  Of course, I had a burlap blend uh short sleeve jumpsuit.
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  I was thrown into a six by ten concrete box, solid concrete walls, and a solid steel door on one end, and a continuous flow of ice cold air blowing on me 100% of the time.
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  Um they did a lot.
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  They were all in on this idea that I was the bad guy.
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  So it seems like they really were also all in on trying to get me to admit to something I didn't do.
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  And they pulled out the jams, I'll tell you.
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  Yes, they immediately cut off all access to any kind of medical care, including the prescription drugs.
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  I always say that, you know, as a disabled vet who's held together by screws and rods and his arm is reattached with a bolt and all that kind of stuff.
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  I'm dependent upon prescription meds, lotions, potions, and notions just to keep going.
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  And somehow along the line, when I first got there, of course, you they ask you all these things.
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  So they knew what um denial of these things was going to do to me.
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  And during that time in there, they pumped in all kinds of horrible sounds.
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  I should tell your viewers that I always cringe when I see these commercials on TV where they say, tap into these sounds.
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  They help you disconnect your brain.
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  They are the same sounds that they're pumping through.
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  Those along with static sounds like from a radio, um, almost like you hear on paranormal caught on camera or whatever, where you've got these voices down inside.
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  And so they're psychologically trying to attack you.
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  Flashing light torture, denial of anything that that is food, as I have come to understand uh the meaning of the word, dirty water to drink at the sink, that was it.
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  And when that didn't get it done, when I wouldn't, you know, just say whatever they wanted, yeah, yeah, they beat me, and worse, and then they finally turned out the lights.
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  Dr.
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  Cherry, you know what it's like when people are held in solitary in utter darkness.
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  And the Mandela Act that most countries on this planet have signed on to said, this is the ultimate of torture.
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  This is illegal, this is inhuman.
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  This is uh a violation of human rights.
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  You know, you had uh a very great conversation recently with a Dr.
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  Patrick Porter, I believe it was, and he was talking about the brain tap.
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  Let me tell you, this was the next level of what we we've heard uh uh the CIA had done, you know, MK Ultra, messing with people's minds.
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  They want to break you down and and remove that cognitive clarity, like Dr.
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  Porter was talking about.
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  They want you to question everything.
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  And when you're in a situation like that, Doc, you really can't think straight.
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  One of the ways that I maintained was on the precious phone calls that I could have with Sharon, they wouldn't let me out.
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  I mean, I was locked down 24 hours a day, but they would occasionally let uh a little short phone cord come through with a dirty old handset, and Sharon said we lived for those phone calls.
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  She was going through a hell of her own.
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  I was going through a hell that was designed to break me down, even at the cellular level.
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  And she she was my rock during all of this.
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  I had asked for a Bible multiple times from the library.
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  Of course, there's no library visits for me in solitary confinement.
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  I think perhaps the people in there knew the power of the word and they didn't want me to get my hands on it.
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  But Sharon, my darling Sharon, she's the hero in all of this because she kept me focused.
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  I always say, if you want to be happy for the rest of your life, make a Christian woman your wife.
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  Because she told me she says, look, you got to remember what it says in Philippians 4, 6 and 7.
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  You've got to approach the Lord with Thanksgiving and present your request to him.
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  And then the peace of God which transcends all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.
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  What that means is is, hey, you know, how about acknowledging what God has already done for you?
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  And I talked about it in the book.
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  I I'm I'm there on the floor, I'm freezing, I'm sick, I'm breaking apart, my skin is is separating, and I'm saying, how can I find something to be thankful for?
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  And then I said, Lord, thank you that they haven't beaten the tar out of me yet today, but the but the day ain't over yet.
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  And thank you for my darling Sharon and all the years that we had together.
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  Doctor, I I believed, and Sharon believed many times that we would never see each other again, this side of heaven.
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  But even though I was ready to give up, not give in to the bad guys, but just give it up and say, Lord, take me, um, it was not his plan to do that.
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  And the worst of it was when they held me down on the ground with my legs apart and they kicked me repeatedly in the man zone, and they mocked my faith and said, where is your Christ?
• 19:01
  Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that we're in a spiritual war?
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  Yeah, I mean, that was the one part of the book that just uh it just made me sick to my stomach, and I was just cringing over, you know, what they did and what they said to you that they would kick you repeatedly in the groin as hard as they could, and while they held you down, and then you had you know trauma after that for quite a while, and they refused to get you medical care.
• 19:31
  And you know, it was just such a vicious thing.
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  What do you think would have happened, Tom, if they could if they could have broken you, if you would have said, okay, I'm just gonna say, all right, whatever you said I did, I did it.
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  And just, you know, just to conform so that the beatings would stop.
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  What do you think would have happened then?
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  Well, I don't think I would have gone home.
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  I think I would have eventually gone right back into prison and uh probably died.
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  There.
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  For them, it would have been a lot easier because they wouldn't have had to go through so many of these trials.
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  They could have just said, hey, look, just point the finger at all these people, and there you go.
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  And we're going to take them down.
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  I would have been their star witness.
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  That's what they would have wanted from me, but I wasn't going to go there.
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  And most people don't understand that when you take a plea deal of any kind, you have to stand there and swear to the Lord that what you're about to say is true.
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  So they took a lot from me, and they took a lot of my dignity and my innocence and all of that, but they weren't going to let me blaspheme like that.
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  I mean, they weren't, they weren't going to make me stand there and swear falsely in front of God.
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  And uh, I suppose to some people, uh, that's not a big deal.
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  And I think that people at the DOJ have a real knack of making people very, very afraid.
• 20:57
  There are quite a few people charged with J6 things who I am sure were absolutely innocent.
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  That's just my gut feeling.
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  And yet, they took plea deals, not because they're not religious, not because they're someone stooge, but because when you're facing maybe 20 years and never seeing your children grow up, saying that you did something that causes you to be locked up for maybe three or four doesn't look like a bad deal.
• 21:23
  And that's why a lot of people did that, I'm sure.
• 21:28
  Well, you know, as an end time as a believer, you know, many of us are looking at the the state of the world around us, and many, I've had many pastors and many authors, maybe many Christian authors on this show.
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  In fact, before I started this particular show, I did a show twice a week.
• 21:45
  It was called Happy Hour with Dr.
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  T.
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  So it was supposed to, so I talked to pastors and and and Christian writers, and most everyone that I talk to and my friends all say we're looking at end times of what's coming, and that the persecution of Christians is happening all around the world, but it's about to come to America.
• 22:06
  And your testimony of faith is so strong.
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  And I think that above and all, and we're going to talk more about your book and the content of it, but I really feel like you what you you withstood and said, No, I'm not going to lie before my God is such a testimony of strength, and can give the many more people the testimony of saying, don't, you know, no matter what's happening to you physically, don't lie before your God.
• 22:31
  And I think that that it's a message, a take home, one of the take-home messages that I took away from reading your book.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Because all in all, the book, it's not a woe is me.
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  It documents, it's not even a uh revenge kind of book because that's in the hands of the Lord.
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  There hasn't been any accountability yet.
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  Why should I be holding my breath for it to happen?
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  But it's a glorification of God.
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  Because as you know, by going through it, there were so many miracles that happened, so many things that are impossible to explain away as pure happenstance.
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  Our God is the God of details.
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  There is there is no happenstance, there's no coincidence.
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  And if I were not sure of that, I I am now.
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  Here I am.
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  I'm the great grandson of a circuit riding Methodist preacher from the desert southwest in the days of Pancho Villa, and my biblical education was not what it should be.
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  Well, you know what?
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  Those days are open or over because my spiritual eyes are open.
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  And if I can tell some people, if I can inspire, if I can enrage, engage, and encourage with this book about what a loving God can do and say, look, Sharon and I, we're we're the evidence of this.
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  There is no reason why we should have beaten the entire United States government.
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  If I can inspire somebody in that way to say, you know what?
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  I've got a tough situation too.
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  But this clown Tom, he had a really bad situation.
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  If God will take care of him, maybe there's hope for me too, and there is.
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  And that's the message.
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  Is that what inspired you to take your whole story public?
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  That was a big part of it.
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  It really was.
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  And Sharon and I, we prayed about it.
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  I wrote this thing as it happened, as it was unfolding, not in the in the clear light of a beautiful sunset after we were set free.
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  I that's why I'm pouring out so much emotion.
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  I was writing this stuff at three o'clock in the morning as we kept getting hit left and right, exactly what happened.
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  So I can say, let me take you by the hand.
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  Let me show you what this was like and what the government does to people.
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  But also let me show you the what a loving God can do too.
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  And as I said, she and I prayed about this.
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  We said, you know, if we go public with this, there's a real chance they're going to come down on us again.
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  And to a very small degree, the media is already doing that.
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  They're saying, oh, this guy, he's a felon, he's a liar, he's this, he's that.
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  But we said, you know, it's worth it.
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  It's worth it to tell the story.
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  And we prayed about it, and God didn't say no.
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  So here we are.
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  And we thought it was important.
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  So boldly, you got to go forward.
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  We're called to witness.
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  Well, welcome back, everyone.
• 35:18
  Today our conversation is with Tom Caldwell and his book, The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January 6th story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory.
• 35:29
  Let me tell you a little bit more about today's guest.
• 35:31
  Tom Caldwell is a decorated retired Navy Lieutenant Camp Commander who served for nearly two decades, principally within the Naval's intelligence community.
• 35:42
  His position gave him a unique perspective on the global and domestic threats of our nation.
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  After a successful military career, Tom and his lovely wife Sharon launched a software systems development company that served multiple high-level federal government agencies.
• 35:58
  It was here that he first observed questionable practices and motivations from an insider's perspective.
• 36:05
  A devout Christian, Tom and Sharon today live on a small farm in the in the Virginia Shenandoah's Valley.
• 36:14
  Tom, welcome so much back to the show.
• 36:17
  Thanks, Doc.
• 36:18
  You know, you and your wife Sharon are this uh your wife Sharon is a central feature in this entire story, and how your faith in Christ and her belief in you and her struggles were uh to get you out of that horrible situation was just key to the story.
• 36:39
  And you've called a genuine, you've been called as a genuine Christian who has walked through the valley of the shadow of death, and what they tortured you through, and I'm sure that Sharon in her own way was being tortured mentally and physically to get you out and to find you justice.
• 36:55
  How did this experience test your marriage?
• 36:58
  And what role did she play in that seek for justice for you?
• 37:03
  She was a the foundation for all of this.
• 37:08
  Um, as I was suffering in prison, and she could hear it in my voice as I was getting sicker and sicker on those phone calls.
• 37:16
  People say, Well, so how did you keep from getting pneumonia?
• 37:19
  I don't know that I didn't, to tell you the truth.
• 37:20
  And Sharon will be the first one to tell you that.
• 37:22
  She knew I was suffering, but she was suffering too.
• 37:25
  She knew that I hadn't done anything.
• 37:27
  And she was trying so hard just to find an attorney who would deign to defend a January 6er.
• 37:37
  There weren't very many in the country at those times.
• 37:40
  It was like we we had uh some kind of a fungus or something like that.
• 37:44
  Forget justice for all, uh it just wasn't happening.
• 37:48
  And so she was busy pounding on doors trying to find somebody, and we did finally find someone she did uh who needed a six-figure retainer.
• 37:58
  I don't know how many people have uh that laying around, but she was busy selling all of our farm equipment to raise the money for an attorney.
• 38:06
  Um, it's kind of funny to call this place that we live on now a farm since there's no animals and there's no farm equipment, but maybe someday.
• 38:14
  But she was really going through it.
• 38:16
  Now, one time uh a friend came over to pray with her and said, Hey, would you like me to help you take down the Christmas tree?
• 38:22
  Because the Christmas tree was still up as of the 19th of January when they hauled me off, and Sharon said, No, Tom and I put that tree up together.
• 38:31
  We're gonna take it down together when he comes home.
• 38:34
  Wow.
• 38:35
  So she never gave up hope, even though things were really, really bad.
• 38:41
  And when they attacked us, even after the lawyer that she was able to find, and I should point out that's another one of the amazing miracles in this story.
• 38:53
  That the Lord sent us the right lawyer, a guy named David W.
• 38:57
  Fisher from a little place called Glen Burney, Maryland.
• 39:00
  How about that?
• 39:01
  A real life David to fight the government Goliath.
• 39:04
  And she she and he worked so hard, finally got me out.
• 39:10
  When I got home, I was in a wheelchair by the end of my time in that that dumpy prison in Virginia.
• 39:17
  And uh, she was nursing me back to health, and we were suffering all kinds of things.
• 39:22
  You know, they canceled our credit cards, it canceled my social security, the all this stuff illegal, of course.
• 39:27
  The DOJ with a phone call does this stuff.
• 39:29
  Um canceled our auto insurance with good old USAA that just loves veterans.
• 39:35
  Um my military disability payments were stopped.
• 39:40
  Um, my military medical benefits and by extension hers too were stopped, all on a whim, as the DOJ just wanted to keep ramping up the pressure.
• 39:50
  And again, there was a chance there for a plea deal.
• 39:53
  Sharon says I wouldn't let you take a plea deal.
• 39:57
  I don't care if we lose everything, which we almost
• 40:00
  Did and we have to live in the back of a car, which thank God we didn't have to.
• 40:04
  You're not going to take a plea deal ever.
• 40:06
  We're going to fight them hammer and tongue all the way to the end.
• 40:09
  And I say, where do you find a woman like that?
• 40:12
  What it did to our marriage was this.
• 40:14
  I saw the resolve and the strength in this diminutive, beautiful girl that I knew was there, maybe, but it was up front.
• 40:25
  And she was instrumental informing our what turned out to be very successful legal defense and all of this stuff.
• 40:35
  She was amazing at every turn.
• 40:38
  And at the end of all this, people say, Well, have you have you been restored?
• 40:43
  Is there any action underway to restore you or any other January 6ers?
• 40:48
  The answer is not in the way the world understands it.
• 40:52
  For us, our marriage is stronger than it's ever been, even though we've lost so much stuff.
• 40:58
  Sharon says stuff is stuff.
• 41:00
  But our love is stronger than it's ever been.
• 41:03
  And our faith in and our trust in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, is stronger than it could ever have been.
• 41:11
  Our feelings about our Christian faith and our knowledge about a loving father is just unmatched.
• 41:18
  It's nothing that I could have ever understood before.
• 41:22
  But we have been through the fire.
• 41:23
  She and I together, and we stand together even now, and we're glad it's over, but we are never going to be the same.
• 41:31
  You know, you go into great detail, really great detail about your trial.
• 41:38
  And you even have things in there like he said this and cross-examination, this, and it went back and forth.
• 41:44
  And all I could see was the DOJ attorneys just says, Slithering lizard devils there, you know, um, talk and your your attorney, your attorney was just so calm.
• 41:56
  And when it was his turn to talk, he just like slammed it all down, and they were just like evil, slithering, slimy devils, you know, of what that whole thing was going on.
• 42:07
  When the trial was over, after you'd been through all of that, and after knowing what you'd been through, because I think if I remember right, you were actually in prison for 53 days.
• 42:17
  Right, and then you had a long time of wait until you got to the trial.
• 42:23
  And when the trial, and then we went through like 10 weeks, I believe you said of the trial.
• 42:27
  Yes, ma'am.
• 42:28
  When they when the verdicts were announced, how did you feel at that point?
• 42:34
  I was really disappointed and really enraged.
• 42:38
  You talk about the prosecutors, and again, they knew they knew that I was innocent.
• 42:43
  They suborned perjury from witnesses.
• 42:46
  Uh, FBI special agents are among those who lied on the witness stand.
• 42:50
  They the DOJ uh prosecutors, they fabricated false evidence.
• 42:56
  They politicked with the judge to keep actual exculpatory evidence, stuff that proved my innocence away from the jury.
• 43:03
  And the judge agreed.
• 43:04
  When I was back in that prison in that darkness, let me tell you what, Dr.
• 43:08
  Sherry, there's things that come out of the darkness.
• 43:11
  Your mind is looking for connections.
• 43:15
  The area that I was in in the prison, the other inmates called it the haunted area of the prison.
• 43:21
  And I'll tell you what, there were some demonic things living in the walls there.
• 43:25
  You could say maybe it was some bad cheese I got in there or something.
• 43:29
  I was I was having some kind of hallucination, and I won't say no, but I will say I saw the demonic in there.
• 43:36
  And about the prosecutors, I saw the same kind of thing.
• 43:40
  I say I looked into the eye of the demon in the dark, and I looked into the eye of the incorrigible and the demonic in that courtroom.
• 43:48
  It's almost like it's almost like looking into the eyes of a severed doll head that you find out in the woods in a shotgun shack.
• 43:55
  It looks sort of like it's human, but there's nothing there.
• 43:59
  There's nothing behind it.
• 44:00
  It's like it's like a doll's eyes, it's like a shark's eyes.
• 44:03
  And when you look into them, nothing is looking back that is good.
• 44:07
  And when I was, and I went to trial on five phony felonies, each carrying 20 years sentence.
• 44:16
  I was found not guilty outright of the three worst, including seditious conspiracy, which cut me to the quick, especially after a lifetime of service to our country.
• 44:28
  Um you would think that I would be happy, but they still tacked me with two guilty verdicts who were absolutely ridiculous.
• 44:37
  It was Sharon once again who kept me from spinning off into the atmosphere.
• 44:41
  She said, Don't you get it?
• 44:43
  You beat them, you won.
• 44:45
  If you had been found guilty of one of those conspiracy charges, it was three conspiracy charges that I was found not guilty of outright, even in a kangaroo court, the jury just couldn't go there.
• 44:55
  They were going to find everybody guilty of something, but not that.
• 44:59
  She said, they would have dragged you away.
• 45:00
  I never would have seen you again.
• 45:02
  You won.
• 45:03
  This other stuff, we're going to beat it on appeal.
• 45:05
  We're going to keep on fighting no matter how long it takes.
• 45:08
  And you know, until we actually got total freedom, it would be almost three full years after that victorious day in a kangaroo court in DC.
• 45:19
  Well, you know, your Christian faith is is so strong and woven through this entire story.
• 45:25
  And we won't tell the listeners what the very end of the story is because we want them to read the book.
• 45:31
  A little bit of a cliffhanger, I will tell people a little bit of a cliffhanger at the very end of the book that you have to go to to read through everything that they went through.
• 45:41
  And as a story of inspiration, truly, inspiration of believing in God, believing in your relationship, believing in each other, and knowing that God was with you every step of the way, even in that horrible, awful dungeon that you've you've talked about.
• 45:57
  Tell tell the listener how you've managed to maintain and be so even-handed about everything that has happened to you.
• 46:05
  Well, we've come from a time that was so dark.
• 46:09
  We we dreamed of a day when we would have some kind of a normal life again.
• 46:15
  And it seemed like uh ignostatis, you know, it just seemed like a wisp of light that would never happen.
• 46:21
  Every day there was another dirty trick from the government, even after we had gone through trial.
• 46:26
  Whenever you think that you they can't do anything new that's horrible, they'll do it.
• 46:31
  They found a way.
• 46:32
  And uh, we shouldn't be surprised.
• 46:35
  I I spoke at the very end of the book, of course, as you know, that this was all part of a plan.
• 46:40
  There was a document that Tulsi Gabbard, our uh director of national intelligence um declassified fairly recently called the strategic implementation plan for fighting domestic terrorism.
• 46:51
  The significance there is this is the first time, and I hope this is chilling for all of your viewers.
• 46:57
  It was a document which was for the very first time, the roadmap for attacking American citizens as terrorists, to the exception of any foreigners.
• 47:13
  They said, these are the kinds of people we got to go after.
• 47:16
  COVID deniers, right?
• 47:19
  Religious zealots, people who are those uh uh life people, the ones that uh will protest outside of abortion clinics, the people that don't want children to have affirming surgeries, the people who complain about what the government is teaching their kids, the government knows best.
• 47:38
  All of these people were on a hit list, and it's laid out in that multi-page document.
• 47:44
  It was classified, now it's declassified, but boy, the mainstream media doesn't want you to see it.
• 47:50
  I wrote a couple of op-eds about this sort of thing, but you can imagine in the local DC area, the post, star, none of these are going to um you know publish that.
• 48:01
  Um, you know, maybe I should send it to you and have you put it out as part of your part of your newsletter, but part of your content because the people that watch your program, they want to know.
• 48:11
  They're inquisitive, they're intelligent people, and they can understand this was an attack on all of us.
• 48:16
  And it was just a matter of time.
• 48:18
  You know, President Reagan said, We're only a generation away from losing so much.
• 48:24
  And I'm here to tell you truth and innocence meant nothing in the January 6th thing.
• 48:30
  I I'm the perfect example of that.
• 48:32
  They knew I was innocent, but they did not care.
• 48:37
  They just kept doubling down, expecting me to fold up.
• 48:41
  Well, Tom, I really really seriously send those two articles to Diane because we can we have we're always looking for writers, good writers, and you definitely the full example of you being a good writer for this book, because it's written very compelling.
• 48:56
  It's like it was hard to put it down when she started, you know, reading and it just sort of sucked you in.
• 49:02
  Um, that I read the entire book.
• 49:04
  It was really very good.
• 49:06
  So send us those.
• 49:07
  We'd be happy to share that information.
• 49:09
  Well, I sure will, and I thank you.
• 49:10
  And I thank you for that ringing endorsement because when I was putting this down, I I didn't know if the FBI was ever going to come back, just take me away again in the middle of the night on some trumped-up charge.
• 49:20
  So I wanted to get down every single step of the way.
• 49:24
  And the other thing is, you well know is that I might be the only J6 defendant who has complete access to all of the government information, all of the fake evidence, all the evidence that was true that was blocked from the jury, every single one of the transcripts of the trial.
• 49:41
  So when I went back and I was saying, this is the way that I remember it, it was great to be able to say, here's the footnote, here's exactly what it said.
• 49:49
  Yeah, I have a really good memory because I've had a lot of lonely nights uh, you know, sitting there thinking about how could this possibly have happened?
• 49:57
  Did they really say this?
• 49:59
  And I will say.
• 50:00
  One thing.
• 50:00
  I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but there's outrage in here.
• 50:03
  There's some joy in here.
• 50:05
  But many people say, you know, there's some laugh out loud stuff in here that you write.
• 50:10
  How could you see the humor in that person or the silliness in that particular situation?
• 50:17
  Sharon says that's just the way you are.
• 50:19
  It's it's the way you deal with life.
• 50:21
  And in this case, it might be just a coping mechanism.
• 50:24
  And I'm glad for it.
• 50:26
  If you had the opportunity to sit across the desk or across the table with President Biden after all this had happened, what would you say to him?
• 50:37
  Or what would the conversation sound like as a retired veteran who served the country for 20 years?
• 50:45
  Um, and in the intelligence division, if you had the opportunity to speak directly to him, what would you say?
• 50:53
  Well, first let me see.
• 50:54
  I'm not sure he would really get what I'm talking about.
• 50:57
  But I would try to say to him, this was done in your name.
• 51:00
  Yeah.
• 51:00
  This was done on your watch, as they say.
• 51:03
  That uh Harry Truman used to have a sign on the desk that said, the buck stops here.
• 51:09
  And one would think that the buck stopped with Joe Biden, too.
• 51:13
  If I could really get his ear and say these things were done under your watch.
• 51:20
  Um, and people were doing these terrible things.
• 51:23
  What do you have to say about it?
• 51:24
  Uh, I would have to also say I uh that I wouldn't be angry and yell at him and say, How could you have done this?
• 51:32
  Because he wasn't actually the one who turned the screw.
• 51:34
  He wasn't actually the one who swung the boot.
• 51:37
  But he probably should know.
• 51:40
  And I think maybe he doesn't really know the depth of the depravity that was going on.
• 51:46
  Most Americans don't even know.
• 51:48
  So it would not surprise me if somebody in the Oval Office didn't know.
• 51:52
  On the other hand, if I could talk to President Trump, I'd say, thank you for saving my life.
• 51:56
  Um, going back to Joe to Joe Biden, I would not be so angry and I wouldn't curse him or anything like that.
• 52:04
  Dr.
• 52:04
  Sherry, one of the things that I learned that was the hardest thing.
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  It was the hardest thing considering what was done to me and what was done to Sharon, who I love so much was forgiveness.
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  God tells us how important that is.
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  Jesus reminds us how important that is in the way we're taught to pray, right?
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  Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass.
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  Doesn't mean any anything like simultaneously.
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  It means in the same way.
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  As I was forgiven earlier in my life, anything that I've done wrong, completely.
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  It's not like it's not like Jesus said, uh, yeah, you're forgiven, Tom, except that stuff you did between January of 76 and March of 76.
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  And I it's going to take me a while to get over that.
• 52:50
  No, it's completely.
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  So part of it was I had to dig the clause out of them so that I could go on, so that I could do whatever God has called Sharon and me to do in the time that we have.
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  Um, and the other part of it is is forgiving doesn't let somebody off the hook.
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  It's giving forward to God.
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  God, you handle them, you do what you want.
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  If they can be saved, that's great.
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  And uh I'm moving on, use me as you will.
• 53:18
  And as you probably know by now, Doc, we have gotten a chance to travel a little bit around the country now that I'm free and I don't have to ask the federal government for permission to leave my farm.
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  Believe it or not, that was a real thing for several years.
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  And and we've gotten a chance to meet so many great people.
• 53:35
  Uh Sharon and I were down in Sebring, Florida uh just last week uh for the uh Highland County uh Republican faith coalition meeting down there and spoke to hundreds of really wonderful believers.
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  And they too said, Hey, this story, this story has to be has to be told.
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  But moreover, it's important for you to tell it because you lived it.
• 53:57
  And some would think that writing the book was cathartic.
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  No, it was painful.
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  But speaking with people and seeing the light bulb come on and answering their questions in a QA and and holding them and having them speak to me about things that they they thought they they would never know could happen in this country.
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  Just say, what you're doing is important.
• 54:21
  I don't know if it's important or not.
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  But if somebody says it is, then maybe it is.
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  And so we're just gonna keep on doing it.
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  We're just gonna keep on talking to anybody who would like to hear.
• 54:30
  I did meet one J Sixer one time in Charleston, South Carolina, where we were able to speak at the Citadel, the military academy of the South.
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  And he he took me by the hand.
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  I hope I don't turn into a blubbering mess right now.
• 54:43
  But he said, Tommy, you say things I can't say yet.
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  I can't speak about the hurt.
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  I can't speak about the way they destroyed my family and took my career from me and and locked me away for nothing, for nothing.
• 54:57
  And there are a lot of people, Dr.
• 54:59
  Sherry, that that did a lot more time in jail than I did, a lot more.
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  And I don't know how they managed to do that, except that there are many that I've met who found the Lord there.
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  And I think that was a big part of how they were able to survive.
• 55:14
  It was for me, knowing that a loving God knew what was going on.
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  The title of the book, The Mouths of the Wicked, there was never any evidence against me.
• 55:24
  It was only stuff coming from the mouths of the wicked.
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  And when I did finally get my hands on a Bible after all this created again, I let it fall open, as you know, to Psalm 109.
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  And it spoke to me.
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  The mouths of the wicked and the mouths of the deceitful are opened against me.
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  They speak of me with a lying tongue.
• 55:42
  When I read that, I knew that the Lord knew what Sharon and I were going through, and that we could win this thing and move into a brighter day.
• 55:51
  And with that, we're gonna have to close out today, Tom, because we're short on time.
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  We could talk another couple of hours.
• 55:58
  I want to I want everybody to get this book, This Mouths of the Wicked, a true story about January 6th by Tom Caldwell.
• 56:05
  So I want to thank you, Tom, so much for your graciousness.
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  Thank you for being here.
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  Thank you for writing that.
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  I so am sorry of so much that you went through, but you know, I've been a long believer that good things can come out of bad things, and your story is a certain testament for that.
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  So, with that, I want to thank all of our listeners who've been here with us today.
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  An incredible story.
• 56:26
  You can find Tom's book if you go to bookstore.dr10penny.com, bookstore.dr10penny.com.
• 56:33
  That's where we have all of our author's books.
• 56:35
  So you can get that.
• 56:36
  And I want to close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
• 56:39
  I close every one of my podcasts with, whether they are live or pre-recorded, which is Romans 12, 12.
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  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble, and be persistent in prayer.
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  Remember to lean into God and trust him for everything.
• 56:51
  His timeline may not be your timeline, but he's always with you and he will never let you down.
• 56:56
  So we will see you here tomorrow or the next time on the 10 penny files.
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  Goodbye, everybody, and God bless.