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What Even Mom Can't Fix--Kristina Kuzmic · Inside The Moms Club

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  Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Inside the Mom's Club, where being a
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  Speaker 1: mom is the coolest place to be. Here in the
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  Speaker 1: a good laugh together. I'm Monica Samuels. You are now
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Mom's Welcome to Inside the Mom's Club. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Monica Samuels, and I'm here with my co host, Julie Orkid.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Julie, Monica, it's so good to be bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to be back in Los Angeles. Here great
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  Speaker 1: our podcast, which is so much fun. And you, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: are still in the midst of parenting a teenage which
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  Speaker 1: I always like, I have to have two sons, so
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  Speaker 1: I live vicariously.
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  Speaker 2: Well, tell you about the drama's dramas.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: She's seventeen, she has a lot of fun, she's witty,
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  Speaker 2: but she's also sessy. And so this week, every time
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  Speaker 2: I go to shower. Let me back up, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have this regular problem, but you know, we live in Texas,
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  Speaker 2: it's been awfully dry, and so sometimes bugs may come
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  Speaker 2: into our home. Imagine. Anyway, so she keeps showering in
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  Speaker 2: my shower. She won't get out, and she refuses to
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  Speaker 2: go back in her bathroom. Okay, I'm going to tell
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  Speaker 2: you why.
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  Speaker 1: Why would she refuse to go back? Now, I want
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  Speaker 1: to make a little clarification. I don't have bugs in
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  Speaker 1: my home.
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  Speaker 2: Well I do have an occasional bugs.
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  Speaker 1: I might die from poisoning from the extramination. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very careful.
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  Speaker 2: He comes like once a month. Anyway, honesty. A cockroach fell,
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  Speaker 2: she says, in her shower on her head, and she's
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  Speaker 2: traumatized for life.
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  Speaker 3: But I think this is silly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's going on and on, and she refuses
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  Speaker 2: to go back to her bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: If a cockroach fell on my head in the shower,
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  Speaker 1: I would move to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she's gone as far as saying I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to take my allowance, which she doesn't get and hire
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  Speaker 2: an exterminator. I was like, we have one, like you know.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, it's been much drama all the way around.
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  Speaker 1: But raising kids is you never know which that's really different.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so now we're sharing a bathroom and anyone
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  Speaker 2: who's ever raised a daughter you know how that's working
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  Speaker 2: out not well. So yeah, hopefully that she, you know,
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  Speaker 2: gets some strength to get over this.
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  Speaker 1: She might need some therapy and maybe one of those
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  Speaker 1: little umbrella hats something. I think you have a word
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  Speaker 1: with your exterminator. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we also have kids that graduated in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: We do, yeah, and so, and they're doing well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but it didn't mean that there weren't bumps along the way,
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  Speaker 2: and so you know, you've had some experiences recently.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they yeah, they had a hard time. So they
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  Speaker 1: graduated when COVID was going on and they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: a graduation, they didn't have a prom. They started college
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  Speaker 1: locked up in their dorm rooms and it was all
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  Speaker 1: very difficult for them. But now they've graduated and your
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  Speaker 1: daughter is working.
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  Speaker 2: In Orlando at Universal and so, you know, just cranking it.
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  Speaker 1: And my son got offered a job and he's waiting
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  Speaker 1: for it to go through. So he's playing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of golf and getting himself mentally tough to Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's your roommate right now.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, yes, he has a tenant at our home.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, but the hard part is, and this is
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  Speaker 1: really really hard. Yeah for them. It's hard enough that
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  Speaker 1: they went through what they did. But in the last
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  Speaker 1: six weeks, those kids have been to two funerals of classmates.
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  Speaker 2: It's been super tough because, yeah, it's a sad situation.
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  Speaker 1: It is very sad, and one of them, unfortunately, it
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  Speaker 1: was related to substance abuse. And I think the thing
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  Speaker 1: that really struck me the hardest when at all of it,
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  Speaker 1: it was just tragic. But I was at the funeral
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  Speaker 1: for the second boy and I was talking to one
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  Speaker 1: of the other moms and she said, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: last time I saw him was at the other kid's funeral,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, that's the last time I saw him too,
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  Speaker 1: and that just it was just it's been hard. It's
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  Speaker 1: been tough, but that is why I think it's great.
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  Speaker 1: We have a guest today that I think we can
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  Speaker 1: But she's also a lot of fun too, So you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is the show we are about laughing too, So
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  Speaker 1: let's keep it. Let's fun too, keep it light. I
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  Speaker 1: love the title. It isn't important subject. Well, let me
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  Speaker 1: introduce her, okay to talk about it. She has over
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  Speaker 1: four million followers, on social media and was the winner
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  Speaker 1: of Oprah's Search for the Next TV Star. She immigrated
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  Speaker 1: from Croatia, where she lived during the war there, and
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  Speaker 1: she has since faced other life challenges, including divorce, single parenting, poverty,
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  Speaker 1: and mental health challenges. She is a prolific author. She's
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  Speaker 1: written two books in Her most recent book is called
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  Speaker 1: I Can Fix This and Other Lies I told myself
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  Speaker 1: while parenting my struggling child. Please welcome, Christina Kuzmik. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Mom's Club. Christina. We are so happy to
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  Speaker 1: have you here. Well, let's get a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: background in the first before we get into the more
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  Speaker 1: serious stuff. Let's talk about your career overall. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: so you immigrated, was the creation where it was going on?
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  Speaker 1: And then you moved to the US? Or how did
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  Speaker 1: you come to America?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so my dad got an opportunity to work at
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  Speaker 3: you know, school, and so he was like, Okay, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to go to the US just to stay safe,
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  Speaker 3: and once the war's over, we're moving back. So it's
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  Speaker 3: never like a permanent move. And so eventually they all
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  Speaker 3: moved back and I ended up I was in college
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  Speaker 3: by the time they moved back. So I stayed and
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  Speaker 3: they're still back there and I'm here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow wow, Well then you have a beautiful place
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  Speaker 1: to vacation, because I can tell you that everybody I
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  Speaker 1: know wants to go to Croatia for their vacation.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's the best. I mean now, as a
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  Speaker 3: forty five year old woman, I'm like, I didn't even
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  Speaker 3: appreciate it because you know, kids, yeah, like totally, he
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  Speaker 3: looks are beautiful. It's just normal. We don't know any different.
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  Speaker 3: But I go back regularly and I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I hear it's gorgeous. So how did you
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  Speaker 1: get involved in entertainment? Because you won the reality contest
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  Speaker 1: and I now you do stand up comedy, you do shows,
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  Speaker 1: you know what.
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  Speaker 3: Everything I've done life has sort of happened unexpectedly, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure who the like, who's controlling my life,
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  Speaker 3: but it's always something weird being thrown at me. I
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  Speaker 3: basically I studied theater. And one of the reasons I
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  Speaker 3: studied theater in high school I got into theater because
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  Speaker 3: I had a very thick accent. I folt like this.
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  Speaker 3: I you know, didn't dress pool like the American kids,
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't know the culture, and I was made
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  Speaker 3: fun of and in theater you can be as weird
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  Speaker 3: as you want and you will belong And so got
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  Speaker 3: into that, ended up studying that in college, and then
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  Speaker 3: as many mothers do, you know, everything suddenly became motherhood
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  Speaker 3: and all my creative stuff, everything i'd kind of put aside,
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  Speaker 3: although it does take a lot of creativity to raise
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  Speaker 3: children without losing your standies. But I had two kids
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  Speaker 3: pretty much back to back, and then ended up going
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  Speaker 3: through an awful divorce when my kids are one and
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  Speaker 3: a half and three. I ended up on food stamps,
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  Speaker 3: sharing a small room with them with a roommate in
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  Speaker 3: the other room. I couldn't even afford my own apartment.
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  Speaker 3: I was just a mess and depressed and felt awful,
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  Speaker 3: and then eventually I just as it's a long story, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: but that's what my first book is about. But eventually
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  Speaker 3: got to a place where I was feeling better and
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  Speaker 3: just had this need to help those moms or dads
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  Speaker 3: who are feeling worthless and are really struggling, and the
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  Speaker 3: thing they are stuck in, whether it's stress or grief
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  Speaker 3: or whatever it is, feels so permanent, and so I
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  Speaker 3: came up with sort of this mission statement, which was
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  Speaker 3: I want to be for others what I needed when
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  Speaker 3: I was at my lowest. And now, everything I create,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's a funny, silly, you know video just to
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  Speaker 3: make somebody laugh, or whether it's where I open up
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  Speaker 3: and share vulnerably about my own struggles and things I've
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  Speaker 3: gone through, I just I always think about that girl
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  Speaker 3: sleeping on that floor, sharing a room with their kids,
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  Speaker 3: and just feeling like our kids des are better. That's
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  Speaker 3: that's who I create content.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you make it incredibly relatable. I will say that,
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  Speaker 2: and it's appreciated, and it's.
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  Speaker 3: I have to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: The funniest part when I was watching some of your
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  Speaker 2: videos is the one where you basically have a baby
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  Speaker 2: shower for having a teenager, which I thought was hysterical
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  Speaker 2: because you know the questions and everything. So I love
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  Speaker 2: your videos first of all, so because you keep them
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  Speaker 2: light and you keep it funny, and Monica and I
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  Speaker 2: love that. But we also, as far as the book
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  Speaker 2: goes the title, you know what I mean, we are
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  Speaker 2: kind of like where I can fix this, right, So
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  Speaker 2: we all believe that, and you take that there is
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  Speaker 2: no such thing as perfection and parenting for sure, or
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  Speaker 2: you know how to handle that. So basically, what I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to know is did you get it? Was your
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  Speaker 2: son on board for you to write this book. I
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  Speaker 2: understand that you guys both you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: are on board with talking about it and everything. And
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of teenagers out there who won't talk
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  Speaker 2: about it and don't want to bring it to light.
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  Speaker 2: So how did you get him to realize that it's
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  Speaker 2: important to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: So a couple of things about that. One, I have
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  Speaker 3: had a rule ever since my career started to grow
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  Speaker 3: that I would never say anything about my children without
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  Speaker 3: built for full permission. I will not even tell you
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  Speaker 3: what my daughter ate for lunch to day, like it
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  Speaker 3: will not happen. That's why you will, very very very rarely.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's been years since I've done it. Posted
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  Speaker 3: a scene, a video, I mean, I'm sorry, a family
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  Speaker 3: photo on my social media because everybody has to prove it.
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  Speaker 3: So when my son starts struggling, obviously I mean he
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  Speaker 3: had suicidal ideations, was awful. I'm not going to be like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, can I post about this? So I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even ask and I didn't post anything And the
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  Speaker 3: interesting thing is for my followers that have been with
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  Speaker 3: me forever, I've told them look back on what I
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  Speaker 3: was posting during this year and this year and this year,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a common thread because I was posting what
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  Speaker 3: I needed to hear. Right. So, eventually, as he was
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  Speaker 3: starting to get a lot of help to the therapy,
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  Speaker 3: medication and all that, support groups actually are what helped
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  Speaker 3: him the most. And I remember driving back from a
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  Speaker 3: second residential center that he was in for mental health struggles,
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  Speaker 3: and it was a nine hour drive home and he
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  Speaker 3: had just spent seven weeks there and he mentioned something
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  Speaker 3: in the car. He said, you know what helped me
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  Speaker 3: the most, Mom was hearing from other kids my age,
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  Speaker 3: because we kids are constantly hearing from parents and teachers
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  Speaker 3: and therapists. But there's something about hearing this. He was
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  Speaker 3: seventeen when he said this to me. There's something about
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  Speaker 3: hearing another kid describe how you're feeling. And all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden you're like, oh, I'm not crazy, I'm not weird, right,
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  Speaker 3: and oh my goodness, we're allowed to talk about this
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  Speaker 3: out loud, like what? So we decided let's shoot this
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  Speaker 3: little video where he would open up and he's a
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  Speaker 3: very private person. He doesn't even use social media, and
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  Speaker 3: so I gave him. He was seventeen at the time.
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  Speaker 3: I gave him till he turned eighteen, and then another
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  Speaker 3: few months. I think it was like eight months to
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  Speaker 3: change his mind because I have been on social media
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  Speaker 3: and people can be awful, and obviously he was still
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  Speaker 3: you know, he was doing better, but I didn't want anybody,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to mess with his mental health. I felt
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  Speaker 3: like everything was so fragile. Anyway, we do this video
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  Speaker 3: and it blows up because a lot of families are
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  Speaker 3: going through this and nobody's talking about it, and especially
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  Speaker 3: hearing a teenager talk about it. That led to the
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  Speaker 3: book de You'll offer and I, you know, my agent
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  Speaker 3: called me and I said, and you talk to my son.
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  Speaker 3: And I said to him, A, I'm not doing this
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  Speaker 3: without your complete not just blessing, but like yes, and two,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not doing it without your participation. Not only would
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  Speaker 3: I love if you have it in you to write
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  Speaker 3: a chapter, which he ended up writing a chapter, but
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  Speaker 3: I want every chapter I write to be authentic to you.
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  Speaker 3: So if I say he was really mad at me,
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  Speaker 3: I want to know that you were actually mad at me,
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  Speaker 3: because if we're going to write this book and this vulnerable,
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  Speaker 3: I want it to be authentic. And so the book
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  Speaker 3: only exists because of his vulnerability and willingness to talk
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  Speaker 3: about it and knowing it would help other people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's let's go back a little bit and
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  Speaker 1: understand why he got to this place. So you have
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  Speaker 1: a son, you have a daughter about the same age,
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  Speaker 1: they're close in age a.
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  Speaker 3: Year and a half apart.
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  Speaker 1: And then you've got another son, a younger son from
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  Speaker 1: by your second marriage. From one understand, So what do
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  Speaker 1: you think led to your son? When did this start
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  Speaker 1: where you noticed, Hey, he's kind of he just quiet,
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  Speaker 1: he might be just depressed. And do you have any
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  Speaker 1: idea what under the underlying causes were, because if your
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  Speaker 1: daughter's I mean people are different, everyone who is different.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she's going and has no issues at all. But
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  Speaker 1: what did you notice it? Where did you first notice
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  Speaker 1: that he was having these issues? And did you share
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  Speaker 1: anything with you that indicated I'm having a problem And
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  Speaker 1: did your daughter have anything similar going on or were
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  Speaker 1: they just so different you that was never an issue
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 3: So I actually first started suspecting maybe ADHD when he
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  Speaker 3: was young, but I live in California. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: where you guys are located. And when you are a
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  Speaker 3: broke mom on food stamps, you get medical which is
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  Speaker 3: basically stay funded healthcare, and it's it's great that exists,
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  Speaker 3: but you get the worst of the worst kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember talking to pediatrician about it and she said,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, if he can focus when he wants to,
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  Speaker 3: it's not ADHD, which, by the way, now we know
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  Speaker 3: that is not the case, that is not true, but
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  Speaker 3: at the time that's what I was told. So I
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  Speaker 3: sort of dismissed it and just noticed he would be
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  Speaker 3: frustrated easily about stuff. But again I thought that's just
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  Speaker 3: his personality. But he was this very hyper, full of
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  Speaker 3: life child. And then around twelve thirteen, I noticed his
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  Speaker 3: disposition start to change. He's quieter. This is called teenager. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and one hundred percent of humans have at some point
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  Speaker 3: been afflicted with this. And we've said and he'll be fine.
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  Speaker 3: I know exactly what to do. I need to love
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  Speaker 3: him through it. I need to set some roles and
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  Speaker 3: boundaries so he doesn't, you know, end up destroying his life.
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  Speaker 3: And I need to keep my sanity intact during this
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  Speaker 3: tough time, but we're going to get through this. So
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  Speaker 3: I guess that was my first mistake, is I came
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  Speaker 3: from a place of assumption instead of curiosity. And then
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  Speaker 3: as things kept going, I was like, huh, that's weird.
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  Speaker 3: He's not just isolating for mom and dad because they're
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  Speaker 3: no longer cool. He's starting to isolate from friends. He's
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  Speaker 3: starting to isolate from activities he used to enjoy. He would,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because a lot of times his depression showed
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  Speaker 3: up his anger and rebellion and he started stealing to
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  Speaker 3: buy drugs and you know, stuff, going to school, all
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  Speaker 3: this stuff was it was very chaotic, and so I
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  Speaker 3: would slap a consequence on him, right, not slap him.
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  Speaker 3: I would give him a consequence still.
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  Speaker 2: And I would yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I would notice that even the consequences didn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: If I took something that he loved a way like
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  Speaker 3: you can't do that this weekend, his response would be fine, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but man, this kid is not finding joy in anything.
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  Speaker 3: And basically, it took too long for me to really
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  Speaker 3: deal with the root of the problem instead of just
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  Speaker 3: that behaviors, right, which I think a lot of us
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  Speaker 3: parents do. And I lied to myself. I told myself
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  Speaker 3: I was live at the boot of the problem. I
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  Speaker 3: know he's struggling. It's hard being a teenager, but I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't digging deep enough. And then things just started to
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  Speaker 3: get worse and worse, and eventually got diagnosed with depression,
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  Speaker 3: and I flat out asked him, have you ever thought
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  Speaker 3: about taking your life? Thankfully, he was honest with me
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  Speaker 3: and he said yes. And that's when a parent's entire
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  Speaker 3: world Yeah, changes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So go ahead, did you so do you think
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  Speaker 4: that was like physiological or was he having issues with kids?
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned social media and you're big on social media.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think that because a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: that happen right now they're blaming on social media and
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  Speaker 1: that bullying with other kids, was there that going on
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  Speaker 1: or do you think it was just more of a
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  Speaker 1: physiological thing that was going on with him? And that's what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a big part of it was physiological,
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  Speaker 3: I mean brain chemistry, right, And again he was eventually
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  Speaker 3: diagnosed the ADHD and not having diagnosis for that for
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  Speaker 3: so many years, and by now most people who either
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  Speaker 3: struggle with ADHD or know someone who does, know that
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: the society is not set up to fit into a box.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Right for kids like that, they can fit into this
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: box where they feel like they're thriving. Things have to
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: be a little different and we have to understand kids
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: with ADHD a little differently instead of expecting them to
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: just follow a certain model. So I think there was
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: frustration going through that, growing through that, and not getting
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: support for it. On top of that, he was bullied
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: a lot, not on social media, like before social media
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: even really existed when he was a kid. And my
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: again one of my many mistakes is I bought into
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: his mom I'm good, I know who I am. He
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: wore this very confident, I don't care what people think
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of me. In fact, when he was eleven or twelve,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I think eleven, we made a video. It was one
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: of my first videos ever, made four Reasons Ways to
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: deal with a Bully, and it went viral and here's
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: this eleven year old kid saying how he's bullied and
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: how he deals with it and he knows who he
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: is and he's not going to let other people affect him.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And all these kids were inspired by it, and underneath
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: it all, he was struggling. And that's the truth. No
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: matter how your kid is saying they're handling bullying, it
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: is leaving a scar. So I think it was a
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: combination of things. When he's asked about it now, he
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: always says, I know that the bullying did major damage.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: But I also think that I was born sort of
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: with a chemical imbalance where I'm always going to struggle
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: with depression of anxiety and ADHD.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think I think one thing about the substance abuse
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: part too. I think one thing that he said to you,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: which was really telling with a lot of parents whose
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: kids deal with substance abuse, when he said, well, if
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about killing myself, isn't it better to do
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: take something that makes me feel better? Yeah, and it's
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: hard to think you don't think of it that way.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: But if no depression is the underlying thing, then yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: it's yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: In fact, you know, he was my first kid, right,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and so all of a sudden, first it was you know, pot.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Then I started finding full empty bottles of alcohol drops.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: But then I started finding pain pills that he was
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: stealing for people. Then I found that the marijuana he
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: was buying from school was laced with stuff. Because two
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: girls at his school had a seizure who were getting
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: marijuana from the same place. He I mean, it was just,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was just getting out of control, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I as a mother dealing with this for the first time.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: At first, when I found stuff, I was like, oh, well, yes,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: you know, he wants to be cool like his friends.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not even digging deeper than that at first, And
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: then eventually I ended up having to call the police
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: on him, and he ended up in a psychiatric hospital
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and after that at a residential treatment center. And so one
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: of our last therapy sessions, I would go each week
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and have a family therapy session with him at the
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: residential center. One of our last therapy sessions, We've been
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: making so much progress. I'm feeling so good. Yeah, And
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: he says to me, Hey, Mom, I know I'm getting
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: out of here next week. And I just decided I
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: really want to be honest with you, because I think
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: that's what our relationship needs for us to be closes.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I have to be honest. And I'm sitting there beaming, like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm my son back, and he says, Okay,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: so this is me being honest with you. When I
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: get out of here, I'm going to go back to
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: doing drugs, and my heart just sank. And we got
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: into this sort of back and forth with the therapist
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: trying to, you know, help us communicate well, and I
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: just kept saying, no, Luca, I will not allow that
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: in my house. I'm not going to support that. You've
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: done all this work. Please don't go back. And he
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: just starts sobbing, I mean sobbing, sobbing, sobbing, shaking, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: he just looks at me. He goes, Mom, if the
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: only thing keeping you from killing yourself was doing drugs,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: would you do drugs? And that's when I knew that
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: he was numbing the pain, but I didn't realize that
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: he was so convinced. In his chapter that he wrote
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: for the book, he wrote how sometimes he felt like
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: he just had to stay alive so he wouldn't hurt
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the people he loved the most, right, Yeah. Other times
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: it felt like he was a massive problem and that
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: everybody would be better off if he was just gone.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: And so this was the struggle. And this is the
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: struggle for me now hearing from a lot of teenagers
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: since the book came out, this is the struggle they
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: live in. Is I don't want to I don't want
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: to hurt my mom. I don't want to hurt my
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: little brother. I don't want you know. Yeah, that's the
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: same time. Oh my gosh, look at all the problems
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I'm causing. Look at all the fear I'm causing for
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: my mom and my siblings, and everybody's just like running
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: around concerned about me. Maybe I should just be gone.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So they feel like a burden. Shouldn't have to
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: be perfect. And I love how you lift the charade
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: of parent perfect parenting or you know, when you talk
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: about it. And then also your son, you guys obviously
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: really got down to the root of the pain, you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: not just saying you're not going to do this again,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: but really talking about, you know, the pain.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: How is he today? So he's good. And the way
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: we always answer, because we will never be the family
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that shakes it and does the everything's great.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the way he always.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Answer is to day is great? Today, today, that's great?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: One day?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one day at a time.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean he is you know, here's the thing,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: and this is his words. He will always struggle. Sure,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: you always have that. And anybody who really has had
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: serious mental health struggles, they know there are good days,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: they're bad days. The way he describes it in the
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: book is for him, mental health feels like a tug
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: of war. Some days he feels like he's winning, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: some days he feels like he's not winning. But on
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: those days that are tough, at least now he has
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the tools, he knows what he has to do. Sometimes
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: it's really hard to do it, even when you know it,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: even for us adults, right to get out of bed
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: and go work out, and take your medication regularly and
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: make sure you show up to therapy. Sometimes it's hard
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to do it. But he has the tools, and thankfully
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: he is showing up, and thankfully he is choosing.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Well to live. That is that is great. I mean,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in fact, I can't recommend your book enough. For so
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: many parents. There's actually with fentanyl too. I mean, my
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: our son, our children being in college. One thing I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: had to tell my son because he'd say, oh, everybody's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: taken adderall that they share with each other. That none
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: he didn't say he was, But I mean the kids
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: are doing that thinking they're just taking a test, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: they get it from another kid. They don't know where
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it came from. And then you hear about that a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: kid died, and so I think it's so important that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: parents whose kids are struggling with these things know what
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to look for no ways and know that there is
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a path on the other side. And I think that's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: what's amazing. As we say on the Mom's Club, love
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: amazing about your book, so I highly recommend it. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I know some other women who have a million questions
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: about your book are our zoomer moms. So we want
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to welcome our zoomer moms. Welcome, Zoomer Moms. Welcome to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the Mom's Club. Well, I'm going to go around and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: introduce each one of you, tell us a little bit
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: about yourself, and then ask Christina question lorde. Welcome to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the Mom's Club.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Hi, thank you for having me.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I'm from New Orleans.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: I have three kids myself, a five year old, eighteen
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: month old, and a newborn who's with me right now.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: I liked what you said sort of early in your
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: interview about talking to parents who or mothers who feel
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: stuck and feel like it's permanent. And I was because
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: with my first child, I thought I was never going
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: to go back to work, and then with my second
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and now third child, children, childs. I'm in the entertainment
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I work in film and television, and I haven't had
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: a job for two years now because of the strike,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: and that feeling of permanence kind of elevates, and I
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: was just wondering how you sort of dealt with that
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: and how you found your way to the other side,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: I suppose.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: So here's how I see it. Life is already hard.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Life is going to throw so many things our way
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: that are completely out of our control, right and then
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: if we label that as permanent, if we're like this
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: is it, if we allow ourselves to get stuck, everything's
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: going to feel heavier. And the worst part is a
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: crush as hope. Right now, there's no hope because I'm
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: just stuck. So what I did actually before my son
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: ever started struggling, This is back when I was a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: single mom. I decided that I would add the words
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: right now to anything that felt frustrating and hard in
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: my life. And I've continued that. So whether it's I
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: am not getting any sleep right now because my baby
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: keeps crying throughout the night, right now, my teenager acts
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: like he hates me. Right now, I am waking up
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: fifteen times a night, and checking on my kids to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: make sure that he hadn't taken his life. Right now,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I can't get my job back. I'm stuck at home
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: and really I just need a creative outlet. I need
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to get back to my career. But I feel so
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: stuck with this right now, whatever it is, even if
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: it's a loss, people always say, well, for example, death
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: is permanent, yes, but the grief I feel where I
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: can't get out of bed is right now. And for me,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: just that mindset of adding the right now was a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: constant reminder that life is a string of phases, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: some phases suck, they just suck, and not everything is
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: immediately fixable, but it's a phase, and you're right now
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: is not your permanent and so I don't know if
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: that helps it all, but for me it was just
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: such a It sort of made me. It just helped
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: me feel unstuck. It helped let me be able to
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: take a breath and go. Life is a string of phases.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Not loving this face, but the next one's coming.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, Christina, I've done this show for a while with Monica,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and I can honestly say, with you, having Lorna three children,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that are a very young age and lots of things
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: swirling in your head. If you can just remember those
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: two words right now. You don't have to remember a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: whole book or anything. But Christina, thank you for that,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: because that I'm going to use it myself.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: That's like great advice. You know, you did win Oprah's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Next Star? Are you sure you're not the next Oprah?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Are you sure? Really good advice? I mean I'm inspired,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: but I think that's really really good advice because yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: even all of us, I mean, things are happening right now,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: right now that we're kind of like this just so great.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: But you just take the whole you know, your whole
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: life and look back like, well I had great times
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and then I had not so great times, and it'll
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it'll turn.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: So I just had to say that, yeah, no, you're
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: at I wasn't supposed to pop in, but no, you weren't.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: You were going to get in trouble later, Amy, welcome
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to the Mom's Club. Tell us a little bit about yourself,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and do you have a question for Christina?
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: Well, now I have a dog barking at me. Sorry
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: about that. I'm from Houston, Texas and I'm a little
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: bit past the teenage phase. Both of mine are in
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: their twenties and both of them, well, one is finishing
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: up graduate school and the other one is already out
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: of graduate school and is in nursing. So I will
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: say to all of you, it does get better because
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: they do leave home and mineor successful, so that means
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: anybody can do it. So that's said. One of the
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: things I was interested in is when you were going
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: through all of this, and even with as much as
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: you have going on now, how do you take time
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: for yourself?
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll tell you. I'll tell you a quick
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: story which was very life changing for me. My fortieth
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: birthday was coming up. I am huge on birthdays. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: even celebrate my kids half birthdays, Okay, half a cake,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: half the Happy Birthday song, every other syllable because I
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: like to complicate things. And my fortieth birthday's coming up,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: and I've never had a party for myself. So my
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: husband's like, you always do everything for everybody else's birthdays.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Let's have a big party. Big party, invites people from
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: all over the country, rents this beautiful room in a restaurant,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I DJ the whole deal. Huge party that was supposed
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: to be on a Friday, my actual birthday. Tuesday before
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: that Friday is when I called the police on my son.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Wednesday before that Friday, he was in the er all day.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: They were waiting for bed to open up in a
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: psychiatric hospital, and he was yelling to get the f
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: out every time I went to visit him. And Thursday
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: he was finally in a psychiatric hospital. So I decided
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to cancel the party, and reluctantly, well, my
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: husband and my mother in law basically convinced me to
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: go through with this because they're like, there's no visiting
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: hours at the hospital during that time when the party's
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: going to be. What are you going to do if
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: you don't go, You're just going to sit home and
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: cry and worry, So just do it. So reluctantly I decide, okay, fine,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I'll go through with this party. I show up to
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: the party, I'm miserable, I'm trying not to cry, I'm
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: trying to be happy for everybody else. By the end
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: of the evening, a friend pulls me onto the dance
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: floor and I let loose and I'm dancing, and I'm dancing,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm dancing and I'm just loving it, and it
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: felt really really good, and right after it felt really
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: really good, it felt really really bad because what kind
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: of mod has a party for herself and dances while
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: her kid is in a psychiatric hospital wanting to die.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Months later, I'm talking to one of my best friends
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: and I'm telling him I can't shake the guilt. I
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: cannot shake the guilt. I cannot believe what an awful
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: mother I am that I went through and I had
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: that party while my son was suffering and not psychiatric
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: hospital against as well? What is wrong with me? I
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: will never shake this guilt. And my friend looks at
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: me and goes, Christina, you did him a favor?
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: What?
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: And he said, Back when I was in high school
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: and I was struggling and I felt depressed, I knew
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I'd put my mom through a lot, and if on
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: top of all of that, I knew she had canceled
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: something she was really looking forward to because of me.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I would still carry that guilt today. By going through
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: at that party, you gave Luca one less thing to
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: feel he destroyed. And that was life changing for me
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: because I realized that I had convinced myself that if
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: my children are suffering, struggling, needing me whatever. Then that
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: means that I have to struggle as well, because that's
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the only way to show my love and empathy. Right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I had to put myself back and not take care
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: of myself until they were okay. And what Zach helped
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: me realize that day, my friend Zach, is that that
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: is a hell of a lot of pressure to put
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: on someone and I should never ever feel guilty for
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: taking care of the most important person in my child's life,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: and that's me. And later on, when we were writing
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the book, I asked my son, I said, by the way,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: do you know that I had that party and everything?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And the look on his face he said, Mom, thank
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: you for doing that and not canceling, because I would
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: still feel guilty today. He said, exactly what my friend
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: predicted he would say. So, I think that's the first
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: step with mothers, especially who are how do I take
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: care of myself? How do I The first step is
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: get rid of the freaking guilt. Get rid of the guilt,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: because that is why parents are not taking good care
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: of themselves, because they're allowing that guilt to stand in
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: the way. Take care of you first, and never feel
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: guilty about it. You are doing your child at favor.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: And then the next step is figure out what that
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: means for you? What does that mean for you? And
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: it's different for everybody else, for everybody, figure out what
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: is that thing that feeds your soul and then makes
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: you feel alive and you know that makes you go okay.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I've been running around going is everybody okay? Does everybody
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: have what they need? I'm going to ask myself every day,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: am I okay? Do I have everything I need?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Amen? That's great? Aw, that's great. Okay. Christy, welcome to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the Mom's Club. Tell us a little bit about yourself,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and do you have a question for Christina?
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: Yes, I do, thank you so much. My name is
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: Christy Copley and I am also a mother of two teenagers.
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: I have an eighteen year old and a fifteen year old,
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: but I also run a nonprofit preschool program. And my
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: question is really more about what your platform will be
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: like on your new show. And I also want to
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: thank you because I feel like, especially for all of
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: the young moms Laurna included, I'm sure social media can
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: be such a trap and I feel like so many
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: times people on platforms make it look like everything is
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: perfect all the time, and you know, being real moms,
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  Speaker 7: we know that that's just not the reality. And I've
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  Speaker 7: been in the field of early childhood for almost thirty years,
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  Speaker 7: and I feel like I'm seeing such a huge increase
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  Speaker 7: and even the early years for mental health struggles with children.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that you have a great opportunity here
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  Speaker 7: to do a lot of good and to help a
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  Speaker 7: lot of families. And I'm just curious if you have
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  Speaker 7: any ideas what your platform will look like moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, my platform will never change because my mission
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  Speaker 3: statement stays the same. I want to be for others
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  Speaker 3: what I needed when I was at my lowest. So
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  Speaker 3: if you, you know, read any of my books or
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  Speaker 3: go to my comedy shows or watch my videos, you
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  Speaker 3: will see one common thread. I will never paint myself,
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  Speaker 3: my children, my marriage, motherhood, my life, my house anything
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  Speaker 3: as perfect. I think we are doing people a disservice
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  Speaker 3: when we do that on social media, and even people
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  Speaker 3: without a big following do it. And I get it
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  Speaker 3: because the society has brainwashed, just brainwashed us to think
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  Speaker 3: that being perfect makes you more lovable, and being perfect
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  Speaker 3: makes you more accepted, and anything else is just not
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  Speaker 3: good enough. And that's not true, because we are all
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  Speaker 3: and the problem, one of my biggest problems with that
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  Speaker 3: is that by doing that, we are sending other people
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  Speaker 3: a message that when you mess up, you're inadequate. No,
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  Speaker 3: when you mess up, you're human. My goodness, the amount
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  Speaker 3: of times I've had to apologize to my children and
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  Speaker 3: will continue to not because I'm inadequate, not because I'm
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  Speaker 3: a bad mother, but because I'm a human who is
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  Speaker 3: still learning and growing. Parenthood, just like childhood, is full
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  Speaker 3: of growing pains. So for me, the platform stays the same.
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  Speaker 3: I will be honest and vulnerable, always about my own
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  Speaker 3: story and if I have permission from my children, and
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  Speaker 3: if they want to share theirs, we'll do that too.
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  Speaker 3: In the new book, in fact, I write about how
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  Speaker 3: trying to support my son almost destroyed my marriage and
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: my husband was grace enough to let me share that
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  Speaker 3: and how we survived it. So I am all about
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  Speaker 3: real life and you know, real humanity and nothing fake.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why you have four a million followers.
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  Speaker 2: I think being vulnerable is key. We don't have time
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  Speaker 2: for anything else, right, So.
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  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of social media, where can we find you
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  Speaker 1: on social media where can I'm.
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  Speaker 3: At Christina with a K last name k u z
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  Speaker 3: M I C. I'm on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and then
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  Speaker 3: on TikTok somebody stole my name, so I'm at I
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  Speaker 3: oh Christina.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's not right. Yeah, well become the four million
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  Speaker 1: number one followers. Yeah right, Well, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for joining us, And I just want to share that
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  Speaker 1: we the reason Julie and I are here so bright
• 35:40
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• 35:43
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• 35:47
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok, YouTube, No one's stolen this shit, Thank goodness, Instagram, Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: We're all. We're everywhere you can find social media, So
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: thank you again so much. And I can't believe this
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  Speaker 1: time goes by so fast. It always does, but we'll
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: be back next time with with celebrities and extraordinary moms
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  Speaker 1: just like you. Thank you so much for joining us.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Remember our Mom's Club motto. And just so you know,
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  Speaker 1: Christina does do comedy too. We got a little on
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the net, but she's she's hilarious, so check her out
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: there too, Because with our motto, Julie, if.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You don't laugh some time, sometimes you are gonna cry.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry, So keep laughing. Moms. We'll see you
• 36:55
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