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Carole J. Obley - Wisdom From the Spirit World · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice. I've always been
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fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and the crossroads at which they meet.
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Join me now and we will explore these topics and so much more with
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fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to Destination Unlimited. One
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of the most challenging things any of us may face is the loss of a
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loved one. Is there a message of hope available from those who have transcended
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this life to comfort us with the knowledge that death is not the end and
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that love is eternal. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, Carol j
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Obli, is the author of Embracing the Ties that Bind I'm Still with You,
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and Soul to Soul Connections. She has communicated with souls who have crossed
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into the spirit world through thousands of private and group sessions. Carol has earned
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a reputation as a master evidential medium. Heartfelt and compassionate in her approach,
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Carol is also well known for her practical, down to earth guidance and insight
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into life issues such as relationships, career, and finance. She's been a
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frequent guest on national broadcasts, including coast to coast AM. Her website is
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Solvisions dot net and she joins me this week to share her path and book
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Wisdom from the Spirit World life teachings on love, forgiveness, purpose and finding
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peace. Please join me in welcoming back to Destination Unlimited, Carol Obi,
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Welcome back, Carol, Well, Hi Victor, thank you so much for
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having me again. So nice to have you on. Carol. For those
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meeting you for the first time, please share with us what brought you onto
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the path of mediumship and does this gift run in your family. The second
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question is very easy to answer, a great big no. Okay, I
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am the only one, and so I it's a long story, but I'm
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very much going to condense it. A fire brought me onto the pathway of
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mediumship. And by that I mean I was running a totally non spiritual type
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of business, you know, very practically oriented. That was a laundromat and
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dry cleaner, and overnight we had an electrical fire and it burned me out
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of business. And so that time period, I was essentially left directionless and
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floundered around for about nine months. And then I got a phone call.
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And that phone call happened to be from a friend of mine who's no longer
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with us. However, it was an invitation to attend a metaphysical center near
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a small town that I live by, and I put it off. I
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put that on the back burner, and then she called again a few months
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later, and so I, you know, put a dress on and I
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said, okay, I'm going to attend this service. And everything flowed from
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there. As soon as I stepped into the healing center and it was called
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Universal Life Healing Center, I felt as if I had come home. And
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I immediately began taking classes in ritual healing, different levels of reiki, and
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then finally mediumship. And over the years I've done many a lot of training
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with mediumship. I was born with the ability, but just like anything else,
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we can be born with something, but we need to hone it,
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we need to develop it, and we really need to refine it. And
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so everything has flowed from there. And I'm about thirty years now, over
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fourteen thousand readings at this point and five books. There will be a new
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book coming out at the end of this year, and just feeling incredibly,
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incredibly blessed by spirit to be doing the work that I'm doing. Let's get
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back to childhood for a second. You said you were born with this.
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Do you have any recollections of spirit coming to you as a child, you
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know, interestingly, I do not. In fact, it's kind of curious
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because I was actually very afraid and particularly of death. And I remember when
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my first grandparent died, my grandfather on my mom's side, and I was
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about ten years old, and I went to the funeral home and I had
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nightmares after that because I was focused on my grandpa's body instead of his soul.
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And so I was actually very fearful, and I was an extremely sensitive
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child, and I did not know, nor did I have anybody to talk
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to about what I was feeling and what I was experiencing. And if I
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could have one wish today, it would be that I would have had someone
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who could have guided me or instructed me into development of this ability. But
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it largely went unrecognized until another very pivotal transformational point occurred through my own doing,
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and that was recovery from alcoholism and drugs, particularly alcoholism. That was
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a pivotal transformational point for me that really opened me up to begin to study
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who am I apart from this personality, this ego, this mind, who
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am I? And who is this higher power that the twelve step program talks
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about? And so I began to read a lot of things about spirituality one
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day at a time, which is a popular twelve step slogan. At that
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time, I didn't have a concept of being in the moment. I just
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knew that I had to live my life one day at a time in order
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to remain sober. So one way or another, I got there. And
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you know, we all have our personal stories, we all have our wake
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up calls. In the books I've written, I talk extension extensively about wake
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up calls, and certainly recovery was a wake up call for me that set
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me squarely on to this pathway of spirituality. And as this path opened for
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you in the beginning, did you have doubts about what you were receiving?
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Oh? Yes, yes, And quite honestly, I'm extremely transparent and I'm
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very real and genuine when I do interviews, when I write, when I
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talk to client. Even today, there are times that I question are these
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my thoughts or are they coming from a source outside of me? Whether that
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are beautiful souls in the spirit world, or whether it's from my own spirit
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team, those souls who help me with my pathway, or whether it's from
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the divine And you know that I have developed a level of trust which is
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absolutely essential in life and particularly in doing this type of work, to get
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away from the ego's control. And so you know, doubt and lack of
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trust really will sabotage the true healing ability that is ready to flow through the
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conduit. Who is the healer or the medium? So someone come to you
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for reading. How does souls in spirit start communicating during the sessions. It's
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through the faculty of clare sentience, which means feeling or sensing. And I
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do see that's called clairvoyance, and I do hear that's called Claire audience.
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But those two inner senses arise from Claire sentience first, and so I sense
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a particular soul stepping into my energy field, and that is called the phenomena
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of blending. That is what is necessary in order for mediumship to occur.
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The soul of the spirit person must blend with mind and those perceptions then are
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spoken to the recipient of the reading, and then everything flows from there.
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So I usually start with two solid pieces of evidence that will really nail that
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person's identity, and that could be anything, you know, what the soul,
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what the individual passed from, you know, their their physical conditions,
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their mental state at the time, what they did for a living, perhaps
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something that they're holding up and showing me that creates a lot of meaning for
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that recipient. So it's really and then it becomes sort of a tapestry in
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which this richness of the spirit person's personality, the memories from their life,
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it significant milestones perhaps in their life, and importantly, the nature of the
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relationship between the communicating soul and the recipient of the reading. With the fourteen
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thousand plus readings that you've done, what are some of the most compelling messages
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that spirits have been parted to you during these sessions? Oh yes, and
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by the way, those are in my book Wisdom from the Spirit World.
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There are about ten of them, and just to name a few. The
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first is, and it seems very kind of simple, but one of the
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primary lessons that I hear over and over again, this theme of I didn't
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die. I'm very much alive. I go on, there is no such
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thing as death, and I actually listed that in wisdom from the spirit world
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as lesson number one, because it's so basic to all of the other lessons.
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Another lesson is very spiritually oriented, and that is forgiveness is the cornerstone
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of all healing. And time and time again, there have been, you
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know, there has been that theme of forgiveness, whether it's for treatment of
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somebody, you know that the spirit person regrets. It could be even it
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sounds sort of silly, but you know, as someone passed very quickly or
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very unexpectedly, I'm sorry for leaving that quickly. And so forgiveness is very,
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very important because the truth is, just as we here cannot continue on
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our pathway of spiritual evolution without releasing the past. And that's really the true
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meaning of forgiveness in a spiritual sense, is a release of the past,
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a conscious decision to release the past. Those in spirit cannot progress either,
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and so they take the opportunity, you know, during a mediumship reading to
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sort of address this unfinished business. And it's a weight off of their shoulders,
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so to speak, just as it is ours when we are here.
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If we make a conscious decision to release something that has traumatized us, that
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might entail therapy. It might entail, you know, mindfulness, spiritual practices,
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meditation, whatever it is that we can move forward. Releasing that burden
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of the past is very vital to our continued evolution. Another lesson that the
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spiral world brings through is about our wounds, meaning all of us in some
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way have had some sort of painful experience in life. I really have not
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met a person today who has not, whatever it might be. And the
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lesson is, our wounds do not diminish or dim the light within. They
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are simply experiences that we have had here in this three D reality, and
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so we can use those those wounds to evolve. And you know, if
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we do that, then we are not only liberating ourselves from the past,
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but we also, because of the interconnectedness of all souls, we help others
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to heal, particularly our own ancestral line. So it's very important that people
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realize that that your past does not and anything that's happened to you does not
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define you. It doesn't limit you in any way. Another lesson would be
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our values in life go with us. And I've had many souls who have
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come through and they talk about what was important to them in life, non
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tangible values such as honesty, integrity, being very genuine, you know,
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being a hard worker, and having ethics. Those are all considered values,
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and so those do go with us when we cross over into the spiral world,
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and they impart that wisdom so that their family or whoever is receiving that
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reading will know that those qualities need to be embraced. So those are a
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few of the lessons that I've heard repeating themes over and over again. Now
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we're going to address some of those a little more in depth a little bit
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later in the interview. But in my capacity as an interfaith minister and as
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a healer, one of the things that I share with those that I'm called
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to work with is about forgiveness. And the thing that I share I've done
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this at funerals and I've done this in hospice situations with family members. If
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you feel that you've hurt someone in any possible way, forgive them when you
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can while they're alive, whether it can say it face to face that you
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feel that they have hurt you in some way, offer forgiveness and say I
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forgive you for anything real or perceived that I may have engaged with you on
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and the other thing is to say I love you while they're still capable of
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hearing it in this body, I love you. It's so important to say
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that those three things. Saying those three things can make such a difference.
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Can't then yes, a resounding yes on that. And it's it's an observation
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that I've had that many times if there had been some sort of an estrangement
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within a family. Unfortunately, some people do not take that opportunity to say
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that when the soul is still here in the fiscal realm in a body,
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and so it can still be done. And I always, really, you
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know, strongly suggests to people that they engage in that because it is a
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liberation with that frees both people. And you know, I once heard that
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forgiveness is probably the most selfish thing that we will do, and I do
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believe that because it really is for us. But there is a shift in
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the relationship energetically when people engage in forgiveness. You know, I'm a student,
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of of course, in Miracles, and I've studied it now this is
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probably about the fifth year. Because there's so much there's so much depth in
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that text, and it talks about the all there is is really love and
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forgiveness, in other words, dispelling the illusion. We're under so many illusions
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here in the in this physical reality, and you know, so a course
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reminds us that we are not really who we think we are, who we
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think other others are. And the power of forgiveness is a lifting of that
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facade that we have. And there were those who will say that it's not
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possible to forgive everyone. How can you forgive someone who's committed an egregious act.
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Well, that's where the misunderstanding of what forgiveness in a spiritual sense really
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comes in. I've written extensively about this in most of my books. It
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really doesn't mean that we are putting a stamp of approval on the actions of
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that individual. We have to acknowledge our feelings. I am a strong advocate
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of non suppression of emotion, allowing yourself to oneself to feel every single emotion
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in that entire gamut, because if you don't, it will that it becomes
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suppressed and it becomes part of our shadow. And so the shadow must be
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confronted in order for spiritual growth and evolution to occur. What spiritual forgiveness means
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is a conscious decision to not carry in your own consciousness that act. And
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I think that's where people get very confused and they get very stubborn. In
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no way am I suggesting that this is an easy thing to do. I
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don't want people to misunderstand. And in my personal belief is that it is
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only possible to forgive very deep acts of betrayal or things like murder or abuse,
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things that are very egregious, through the Divine self or through the soul
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self, and with the help of Spirit, meaning God. I believe that
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is the only way that that really occurs. And quite frankly, there have
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been times in my life when I will say, Spirit, I do not
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have the willingness within me to forgive this individual, and I ask for that.
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I ask for the forgiveness, and so I know that I'm not capable
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of it, me the small me, but Spirit is capable of everything.
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There is nothing that Spirit cannot do or accomplish, and so I think that's
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important that people understand that distinction. Have you ever connected with I don't want
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to use the term bad spirits, but souls who exhibited bad behavior while incarnate.
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Yes, However, I have never in thirty years of doing readings,
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had satanic influence come in, or you know, lower spiritual entities come in
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to answer your question. However, absolutely there are individuals who acted very badly
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when they were here, and that's where you know, a lot of times
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they will come through and say, you know, you turned out to the
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recipient, you turned out pretty good despite how horribly I treated you, And
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so it's their admission. You see, what happens during reading is it's total
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transparency. It's truth telling time, it's gut spilling time. Because in the
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spiral world there is no deception, there is no hiding. There is only
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honest and the ability to really judge ourself. There is no outside external force
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that judges us. As far as you know the concept of an old man
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with a beard and a staff, I have not seen that to be the
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case. The soul really judges itself based on how well it did with particular
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lessons, so that that is really a self assessment that occurs after death.
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My guest is Carol Obli. We're talking about her book Wisdom from the Spirit
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My guest this week is Carol Obli. We're talking about her book Wisdom
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from the Spirit World life teachings on love, forgiveness, purpose and finding peace.
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Let's talk a little bit more about your practice, which is called evidential
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mediumship. How does that work? Evidentiary mediumship is the presentation of facts,
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particularly concerning the spirit communicator or that soul who is blending with my soul during
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a reading. And examples of evidence would be you know what the individual passed
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from the physical, mental, emotional conditions going on at that time, sometimes
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dates, the you know, a birth date or a passing date, what
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the individual did for a living, the you know, facts about the family,
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memories that might come through specific memories, any and all of that,
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the personality. All of that is considered evidence, and that is part of
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the reading. However, the core of the reading, at least in my
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perception of practicing this for decades, is the relationship between the communicating spirits and
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the recipient or recipients of that reading and of that communication. And the other
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essential aspect of mediumship that I believe often gets overlooked is passing along the knowledge
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that the soul is eternal. In fact, that is another one of the
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lessons in the book, that the bond of love is eternal and it's never
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destroyed through death. And with that being said, there's also the knowledge of
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all of us being an eternal soul. And what I find is, and
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this has personally happened to me as a result of practicing mediumship, is a
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dissolusion of fear, because once we know in our heart, not in our
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head, but within our very being, in the core of our being,
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that we are an eternal soul, and this experience that we're having here in
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this particular lifetime is just you know, much like one grain of sand on
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a beach. It really tends to alleviate fear of the few, of the
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past, of anything. And it's brought such peace of mind to me in
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truly knowing that within my heart. And I think sometimes that facet of mediumship
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is not recognized or overlooked, but I always make that a priority in one
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way or another, you know, and spirit knows that, and they will
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communicate that in one form or another to their loved one who is here.
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Now you had mentioned Claire Sentience, Clairbuoyance and Claire Audience. Do spirits modulate
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this? Do they come to you in specific ways for specific reasons. It's
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modulated in that my spirit helpers who help me with mediumship. And by the
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way, all of us have spirit helpers, I call them my or a
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team. Of course, they're also angels. They are different category. They're
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spirit healers. They know how to get the best from particular medium. They
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know what the strengths of that medium are. They know the experience of the
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medium, and they really know as far as the actual communicating spirits, they
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know in their infinite intelligence, because when we're doing mediumship, we are communicating
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with living, breathing intelligence. They know how to get their message across.
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Sometimes that entails using my own frame of reference. You know, the experiences
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that I have had in my life, you know, the objects that perhaps
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I inherited, you know, from my parents, and you know, the
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communicating spirit passed along something very similar, you know, some sort of you
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know, precious thing or you know, jewelry or music box or something that
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a grandma worked with in the kitchen or whatever it might be. So they
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know how to do that. However, they do have to take training on
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the other side. This is what most people don't understand. They don't just
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automatically know how to blend with me. They have to take training of sorts
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from spirit helpers who know how to do that, because they really have to
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lower their their vibration because they're not here in the physical world any longer.
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They're they're in an ethereal realm that is not nearly as dense as as the
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physical realm is. So there's scrolling on both sides of the veil. Yes,
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yeah, yeah, A lot of people, you know, sometimes I
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could probably I could probably count on two hands the number of times that the
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soul that the recipient wanted to hear from did not come through. So in
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the vast majority of cases, the soul that the individual wanted to hear from
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will come through. It may not be right off the bat. There may
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be other communicating spirits that want to come in. But usually it might be
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halfway through the reading. It might be near the end of the reading that
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that individual they want to hear from comes through. I have to explain to
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people sometimes, I mean often, how the process works. I cannot make
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anybody come and communicate. They have free will, just as you when I
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do, so, you know that that is always true, that there is
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always free will. Sometimes they don't come through, perhaps because they are busy,
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they are occupied with other, you know, activities in the spare world.
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They might still be wrapped in healing light. I've seen that. I've
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written about that in book two. I'm still with you about the healing light.
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There are different frequencies. We would think of them as colors of light
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in the sparrow world. If someone had let's say, a particularly long illness
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when they were here, you know, maybe a dementia or alzheimer perhaps something
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like, you know, something extremely debilitating, maybe a very bad autoimmune disease,
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uh, you know, a terrible cancer. Sometimes that soul requires extra
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healing to sort of emerge from that physical condition. And so these are things
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that I have directly witnessed and seen in the readings that I've done over the
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years. Now, you had mentioned forgiveness, you had mentioned the fact that
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there is no death, that life goes on the essence of who we are,
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the soul goes on. What other ways does mediumship help the client heal
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by knowing that death is a natural part of the life cycle of the soul,
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and people can remain stuck in grief for many years. Sometimes people have
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the faulty notion that if I stop grieving my mother, for example, that
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means I don't love her. And meanwhile, Mom is coming through and saying,
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you need to go on with your life. I'm fine, I'm doing
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well over here. You know, I'm with Dad, I'm with you know,
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your grandparents. Here I was. I was glad to be out of
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the suffering, the physical suffering I was in. So it can be very
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healing for people to understand first off that that bond of love is eternal,
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and also that in fact, we do go on after we leave here.
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And thirdly, it is possible to communicate with other planes of existence. That
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is a reality. Unfortunately, you know, the rational mind and people who
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are highly skeptical, you know, discourage that reality. And you know,
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so people need to know that it certainly is a reality. They don't need
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to stop their lives because someone has passed over. We need to grieve,
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absolutely, we have to grieve the physical loss of that person, there's no
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denying that. But we can also embrace the fact that there is not a
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disconnection between our soul and theirs. Have spirits ever given your clients, those
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who have come for readings practical information about things in their lives. Yes,
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And sometimes they will say it from their earthly personality, which really the personality
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dissolves once we go into spirit. It's really not needed. It's needed here.
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It's an extension of the ego that we use here. The ego is
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not wrong or bad, it's NECESSI but it does dissolve when we go into
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the spirit world. But sometimes they will talk about quite practical matters. For
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example, I've done many readings that you know, for widows and their husband
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was a fixed type of guy when he was here, and he took care
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of the house and did the repairs and mowed the lawn and you know,
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did outside work. And sometimes he'll come through and go, you know,
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you need to get the gutters checked, or you need to you know,
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you need to cut down that tree in the yard. You know it's it's
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got dead limbs on it or whatever. And quite frequently, yes, they
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will give those sorts of practical messages. Why because they're doing it out of
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love for that person. They're doing it to say, I care about you,
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I'm still watching over you, and this is my way of showing concern
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and care for you. And in your book you discuss various ways that spirit
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loved ones send us signs to let us know that they are near. What
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are some of those signs? Oh, there are many, and I'm still
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with you. That's my second book. There's a whole chapter on how spirit
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will speak to us without a medium. I mean this is directly between the
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recipient, say the person in grieving or that has experienced lost and the soul
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in spirit. And a lot of times it's through this phenomenon called synchronicity.
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Synchronicity means meaningful coincidence events that create meaning for the individual who's receiving them two
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seemingly unrelated circumstances that occur at the same time. An example would be,
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and this is from that second book, a woman who had lost her son,
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and she was driving to work one morning, and she was really down
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and she was missing her son, and she's thinking these thoughts. She looks
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out her as she's driving out the windshield and a rainbow is there. It
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draws her attention, and she took that as a sign that he was with
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her. And I will tell you that nature is often used by the spiral
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world, the appearance of certain birds coming around, you know, sometimes absolutely
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Like the symbol that I use in my work and for my company, Soul
39:49
Visions LLC is the butterfly. The butterfly means transformation. It's symbolic of that.
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And so there's there nature. You know, this phenomena that happens with
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electricity, lights flashing, television goes off and on. There are numbers that
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repeat. You know, people will say, I keep seeing, you know,
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the birthdate of my loved one on a license plate or a sales receipt
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or on the clock or whatever. The telephone people. I can't tell you
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how many times people will say, you know, I have my husband's cell
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phone and it just it went off and it's not even in use. You
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know, it went off, it rang nobody was there. So there are
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many many ways that they work exceptionally hard to let us know that they're around
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us. I got to share with you a quick story that I think our
40:50
listeners will also appreciate. My mother and when we were kids used to love
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coca cola. She would keep cases in cases of coca cola in the house
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in any event. You passed January of twenty twenty and I actually facilitated her
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funeral and memorial service. And after the memorial service, a group of us,
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my brother and sister, and our spouses and some other family members went
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at to dinner and we were having the meal and we all ordered our beverages,
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and the waiter brought all the beverages to all the people at the table.
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About five minutes later, the waiter comes back and says, who ordered
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the coke? And we all recognized that was my mother. Picture. Is
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that ridiculous or is that ridiculous. It was so wonderful that she had showed
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her presence by ordering with the drink that she used to drink. So yeah,
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and you know, I'll share one too. There was someone I did
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a reading for, I mean from numerous numerous case files or readings, and
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the woman ordered a flower arrangement for I think it was her mom's funeral,
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and she wanted specific flowers in there. But that's all she said. It
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was about the flowers. So the thing arrives to the funeral, to the
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funeral home, and there's a butterfly in a you know, like a design,
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you know, a little thing that you would stick down in the in
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the arrangement. And she said, I didn't order that. She says,
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but you know, my mom always loved the butterfly. And she said,
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and here it is. It showed up on these flowers. So there's many
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stories like that. I'll say, I'll tell you a real quick one.
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It's hysterical. Just when I think I've heard it all, I once did
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a reading for a gentleman and he said, you know, he says,
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what kind of signs do loved ones give us that they're wrong? So I,
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you know, went through the lists much as I just stood with you.
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And he says, well, you know, I'm having something really weird
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happen in my house. And he says, the toilet flushes by itself,
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and he says, could that be my dad? And I said, I,
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you know, I haven't heard that before, but I wouldn't put anything
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this week as Carol Obili. We're talking about her book Wisdom from the Spirit
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World, life teachings on love, forgiveness, purpose and finding peace. You
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know, you and I were having an offline show about purpose, about having
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purpose, and I had a wonderful spiritual teacher who used to say, there
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should be an eleventh commandment, thou shalt have purpose. What's the importance of
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purpose to the soul? Well, you know, I think sometimes in my
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experience anyway, people misunderstand really what purpose is and you know, in a
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spiritual sense, purpose means an emanating spirit. You know, all of the
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qualities, all of the rays I call them, and others have called them
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that too, of spirit, the qualities a lot of times, and by
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the way, that is the most common question that I've been asked in during
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readings, what is my purpose? And people, you know, falsely believe
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that it means a career or a specific job, or you know, something
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along those lines, when really the primary purpose is being an emanating spirit,
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and that will come through the unique personality of that individual. So the value
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of that is, of course, you know, being and emanating from that
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core of your being and not necessarily from the personality. And people a lot
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of times understandably so because we're in a society that you know somewhat defines us
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by what we do for a living or you know, unfortunately you know what
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gender we are, what color our skin is, what religion we are.
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None of those things are purpose. None of those really are who we truly
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are. So the soul is always speaking and always saying, this is who
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you truly are, and the expression of you know, all of the divine
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qualities, compassion, understanding, nurturing, caretaking service. Those are all emanations
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of true purpose. And that leads to a question that you address in much
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of your writing. What are sole agreements and why are they so challenging for
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so many to understand? Sole agreements are what we have set up as the
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soul when we're not here in the fiscal world before birth. As to what
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particular lessons or experiences we are going to have, I call them blueprints.
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Now that's on an individual level that you know, we each individual makes that
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assessment. Well, I need more experience with with generosity and compassion. I
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didn't do so well, and you know previous times maybe with you know,
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the reduction or release of fear, so I need more experience with that.
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Those are agreements that are made just for one soul, between two souls.
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The agreement is to collaborate in some fashion, some way in something. It
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could be a project, it could be a relationship that you know, there
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are many, many, many karmic relationships, meaning those two souls have agreed
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to meet at a time and place and that's encoded into our soul. I
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call them codes. And then when that time is ripe and it's divinely time,
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that will occur agreements with things that aren't so nice. Why would a
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soul make an agreement to come in with a let's say, a father who
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is an alcoholic or highly abusive. Why would a soul do that? Why
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would that soul agree to play that role of being the alcoholic and being abusive.
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Well, there's some sort of interchange there between souls, and it's always
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a two way street. So in essence, there really is no such thing
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as victimhood. Now that being said, a lot of times people get rather
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indignant when I have said that, or you know, I've written that in
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my books, And it doesn't mean on a conscious level that we consciously choose
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to you know, well, I think it'll be great if I sign up
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to be abused. No, that's not so. But on a soul level,
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there is an exchange, and I would put it in this framework.
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It's an opportunity for both souls to evolve. So when you look at it
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and you say, well, how could someone evolve, Well, look at
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all the people who have overcome trauma like abuse. Look at all the people
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who in some way have had a dramatic wake up call like I did in
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my own recovery journey to stop anesthetizing themselves and to enter a pathway of recovery
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and subsequently of some type of service. So you know, these sole agreements
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are opportunities for souls to or more souls to evolve in some way. You
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share certain resources to build one's spiritual connection. What are these? Well,
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the first and probably you know something that I would say a lot of spiritual
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people engage in is there's two of them, meditation and prayer, going within
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stilling oneself stillness is another one. You know, we live in a culture
51:30
that is perpetually inundated with massive amounts of data, confusion, noise. It's
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no wonder people will have no concept of who they truly are because of the
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culture that we live in that is so incredibly noisy. And you know,
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this inundation of data that we're bombarded with every day unless we turn everything off,
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which I do recommend doing and going out into nature. Amen. Nature
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is another one. Nature is another entry point into the divine mind. Because
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and as I sit here talking with you, Victor, I'm looking out my
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office window and there's the beautiful tree very tall in my yard, and there
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it is. It's not talking to me. It's not planning anything. It
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doesn't want me to do anything. It simply is. And so that is
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really nature captures the true essence of the spiritual mind in being, not in
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doing. And so that is I always say, nature and animals, by
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the way, emanate and radiate pure spirit and their entry points into the higher
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mind. And so there are those tools. Engaging with or even looking at
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photographs or videos of children or babies, those definitely put us into that purity
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and innocence of the divine and of our own soul. So you know,
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these are always that we can connect and that we can remember, we can
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remember who we are. I believe that we get lost when we come here,
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not all of us, but a good many people get lost in the
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personality, They get lost in a job, they take on false identities.
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And I'm not saying those things aren't important, because they are. But there's
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also what lies beyond that. There is also what transcends that, and that
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is the soul, which is that part of us that is God. What
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would you like your readers to take away from wisdom from the spirit world the
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eternity and beauty and splendor of their own soul? And I could probably boil
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the whole book down to that, although you know, there are very important
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lessons from the spirit world, as you know that I list in there,
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that are reminders for each of us, and also importantly engaging with those tools
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that we just talked about, meditation, prayer, mindfulness, mindfulness, being
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in the moment. That's all any of us have. That's what you have,
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That's what I have, is right here, right now. We don't
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have the past, we can't hold the future in our hand. We have
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right now. So I think if people realize that that automatically eliminates a tremendous
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amount of fear and anxiety. The Wisdom of Carol Obi her book Wisdom from
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the Spirit World Life teachings on love, forgiveness, purpose and finding peace.
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Carol, one more time, please share with our listeners where they can get
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all of your books and find out more about you and your work. My
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website is soul Visions dot net and my books are available there. You will
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get an autograph copy. You will not get an autograph copy on Amazon,
55:45
although they are available there, also on Kindle, also in Barnes and Noble,
55:50
and from my publisher six Books, that's the numeral six th books dot
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Com and Collective Ink dot com. Carol, it's been too long since you
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were last on. It was over three years. Your next book is coming
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out later this year. We got to have you back. Please, Oh,
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I'd love to come back. Thank you, and thank you for joining
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us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.