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Hebrews Part 32 - Simply Christ Bible Study · Simply Christ Podcast

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Let's see, we are starting tonight, Hebrews 10.
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Hi, Aaron. How you doing?
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Yeah, good to see you. We are starting tonight in
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Hebrews 10. Going to be verse 30 is where
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we're going to start. And before we do that, though, I
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would have Andrew lead us in a prayer.
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All right, let's pray. God, we thank you for the word.
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Again, thank you for your spirit.
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And we do ask for that spirit to come and confirm the word of God
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in US and that it would bring up the power that comes with the
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Holy Ghost. That is more than head
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knowledge, more than knowing the right doctrines, the night word,
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the right words to say and the right things to we're supposed
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to believe. We want more than just knowing
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the right thing. We want the actual power and the
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strength to walk in it and be true and faithful and all that
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you had planned for us in Jesus name, Amen.
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Thank you, Andrew, I agree with that.
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Need the truth desperately these days because there's plenty of
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that other stuff. All right, sounds good.
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So verse 30 in Hebrews 10 says, For we know him that hath said,
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vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord,
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and again the Lord shall judge his people.
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And I'll read the next one, just because it kind of fits with
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that. It is a fearful thing to fall
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into the hands of the living God.
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We could talk of verse 31st, but that's an interesting verse.
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And just to kind of recap and get us, get us into the flow of
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the conversation here, we were talking a little bit ago, a
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couple studies ago about holding fast to the profession of our
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faith without wavering. And that is that is still the
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subject here. He is matter of fact, the whole
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book of Hebrews up till now has been an exhortation to stay in
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the faith and don't go back to the law or you know, the faith
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in God is so much better. Jesus is better than the angels.
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He just methodically went through and made sure that we
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understand that it is Christ that sanctifies us and calls us
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righteous and holy and not any other thing.
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So, so this is a a little side note here saying that obviously
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we just read about how much sorer the punishment would be
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for those that had trodden under foot the Son of God and counted
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the blood of the covenant an unholy thing.
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So he says that if we do that, we will know that God will exact
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vengeance on such people. And like he had quoted before.
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So that's kind of what he's getting at here.
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He, he's exhorting us to abstain from the willful sin of
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discounting the blood of God, the blood of Jesus as an unholy
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thing and to know that if we do, he will be exact in getting
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vengeance for that sin. So that's kind of the context
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here a little bit. I'll open it up Andrew for
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additional thoughts. Yeah, that's pretty much what I
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was going to say. The the whole book has been to
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encourage people, these believers that are struggling
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and and we've been saying that over and over how these guys
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were being persecuted. And we're just getting ready.
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We'll probably go through the verses tonight where he tells us
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that that they're they're having a hard time with this.
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And he just got done going through some major, major
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biblical Christ salvation doctrines that eliminates any
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kind of man made tradition, any kind of even Mosaic traditions
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and laws, carnal ordinances and all that.
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He overshadowed all the old covenant with the new covenant
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and exalted it way above, far beyond anything that the law
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could ever do. And he says it's so good that if
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you find it out and you hear it and you know it, you know the
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blood of Christ, you know the grace, you know this gospel and
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you've come to it, you've been illuminated, you've come to the
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light and you turn your back on it because it's hard, because
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you're persecuted, because it's tough for whatever reason,
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because your friends are doing it, whatever people are making
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fun of you. If you turn back, there's it's
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going to be a sore punishment that that was verse 29.
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But then he just keeps saying, you know what, God's not going
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to just look the other way. If you're outside of Jesus
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Christ, you're going to be judged like one that's outside
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of Jesus Christ. And that's a fearful thing.
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It's a very fearful thing to be judged outside of the grace of
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God. And if you go back to any kind
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of law, you're going away from the grace of God.
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And that's the exportation of this whole book.
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And we say, well, that's, that's, that's not really true.
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They're still believing in Christ.
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No, that's what he's saying. If you go back and you put any
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confidence or if you minimize the offense of the cross by
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keeping some laws that some law minded people want to keep, if
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you do that, you compromise like that.
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That is the in the essence of undermining the blood of Christ,
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counting it as not enough. And if you're tied on it at
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least like I was talking to one of my cousins this weekend and
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he's from a very strict, kind of a strict Mennonite group.
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And he's like, you know what? I'm just not becoming a member.
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He's like, and we got the talent and he's like, yeah, they preach
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the gospel and then turn around and poop on it.
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And I was like, I don't know how to say it any better than that.
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It's that. And that's the exhortation here.
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It's that you can't receive it. And then because of peer
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pressure and friends and family or whatnot, all of a sudden say,
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well, if we find out that our life gets better when we keep
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these ordinances and these carnal ordinances, the you own
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this, you'll be judged like someone that has seen and known
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the love of Christ and went back to something and and you counted
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it as nothing. And it sounds like it's going to
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be a terrible judgement, maybe even worse than a Sinner that
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has never believed. So I think, I think we need to
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hear it. Yeah, that's right, Melvin.
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Yeah. You know, I think it's, it's
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interesting there. It's very sobering actually to
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me to think about that. He actually puts those that like
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you were saying, Andrew, that turn their back to the grace of
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God through Jesus Christ, that he treats them the same as an
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unbeliever. Like so if you look in the word
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of God, any time where the word vengeance or talks about the
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vengeance of God, it's always against unbelievers.
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And I just wanted to make that point that the wrath of God is
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going to come upon those that do not believe in the, in the grace
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of Jesus. And here obviously those that
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turn back from the blood of Jesus or call it unholy or, or,
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or trod on it under their foot. And if you read in the book of
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Revelations, there were talks about the the last 3 1/2 years
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of tribulation when you get a very vivid picture of what the
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wrath of God looks like. And it it's, it's not, it's not
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funny. Yeah.
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It is and it's a so I think to me it's like, so he's putting
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this in the same category as you know, vengeance from God.
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God says, hey, look, if someone is trotting on Jesus blood and
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saying it's not, it's an unholy thing and it's just he says, let
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me deal with them. You know, vengeance is mine and
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not not that I'm saying we shouldn't approach someone or or
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not say anything. That's not what he's saying, but
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he's saying the judgement. Leave that up to me.
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If that person turns away from the grace of Jesus and but and
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then he makes that more. How would you say he put
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emphasis on that in verse 31 where he says it's a fearful
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thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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One thing I want to point there, it says the living God.
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So I just want to make this point that the simple fact is
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those of us that are not trusting and believing by faith
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in the blood of Jesus for our sins.
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All of those that are not trusting in that are going to
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fall into the hands of the living God and and that is a a
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fearful thing. That's a fact aired.
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As he was talking there, I thought about that verse and I
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was just, I was trying to read it real quick, see if it was in
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the context of this. I thought that verse where he
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says for the time has come. This is first Peter 4, 17 For
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the time has come that judgment must begin at the House of God.
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And if, if he first begin at us, what shall the end be of them
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that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be
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saved, where shall the ungodly in the Sinner appear?
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I'm just, I thought of that because I was just thinking that
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that I, I don't know what Paul or well, I think it's called
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whatever the writer is assuming that these people think, but
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it's almost like he thinks or is assuming that they are assuming
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that because they're they're still trying to worship God,
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that it's not that big a deal to trodden under foot the blood of
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Christ. Does that Does that make sense?
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Do you understand what I'm saying?
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In other words, you know, we, we've said that throughout this
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book. It's not really, it's not so
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much a book full of don't go back into adultery.
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It's don't go back to the law and turn away from Christ.
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That's right. So I think I think that's why he
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is saying this is because he doesn't want them to think,
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well, you know, we're we're still serving God like we're
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we're trying to serve God here. He's want he's wanting them to
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understand, as you all kind of pointed out already, the
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severity of turning away from Christ and that God will judge
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that I'm like you all maybe even harder than those have not
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heard. In fact, you know, he, he kind
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of indicates that in other places, Jesus actually indicated
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that the people would be beaten with more or less stripes, you
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know, as if there was a severity of punishment based on the
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amount of light that that person was revealed to.
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So, so, so that's one side, but the other side is you see this
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verse, I mean, I just read your verse in Peter.
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There's another verse there in what?
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In Romans when he says, you know, render not evil for evil
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because vengeance belongs unto me.
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Like, you know, God repeats this many times.
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So we live in a time that people are pretending that God doesn't
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reward iniquity or he's not going to judge or he's going to
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accept everybody and everything. And this is repeated over and
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over in the Bible that this is a.
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It's. Such a holy thing that God has
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reserved it unto Himself to really recompense people for
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their sin and for their iniquity.
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Like it's not, you know, it's something He is going to do and
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He's bringing that up, like I said, in the context of what I
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just said. But you know, there's a verse
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and I didn't write this one down.
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Maybe you all know where it is right quick.
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I could find it. But there's a verse over there.
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I don't know, somewhere that says some save with compassion
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and others with fear, pulling the mouth of fire, hating the
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very deeds of evil. Is that in Jude or where's that
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at? Somewhere like that, maybe.
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But anyway, my point is this when he says in verse 31, it's a
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fearful thing to fall in the hands of the living God.
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I'm not saying it is sufficient to just be scared of going to
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hell, but it's not a bad thing to have.
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It's not a bad thing to have is a fear of God.
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I mean, Solomon concluded that was the whole duty of man was to
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fear God, right? I mean, so it is, it's, it's
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very proper to realize that God is going to repay sin and he's
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going to do it with, with, with great, I don't know, I don't
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know what you'd say, but with great severity and great
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sternness, He is going to recompense those that have that
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have not been faithful to him. And like I said, that's a that's
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a thing we ought to respect. Yeah, that's that's right.
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But I I put in there that. No, Jude 123.
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Yeah, I was thinking it was Jude.
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Yeah, Jude 23, the verse 23 there, that's that's where that
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is. And that is, that is really
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relevant actually to what you were saying.
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I had to, you know, you were kind of searching for the word
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to describe God's judgement, you know, like, is he angry or is he
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fierce or ferocious or, you know, like, what is the, what is
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the descriptive word to use there?
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And I had to think I was looking in preparation for this in Nahum
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122, it says God is jealous and the Lord revenge, the Lord
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revenge and is furious. The Lord will take vengeance on
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his adversaries and he reserve us wrath for his enemies.
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You know, so that doesn't look like a very loving relationship
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to those that trod under foot the the the blood of Jesus and
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call it an unholy thing, right? I mean, that's, that's the point
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that he's making. This is and and I would say that
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fierce love demands fierce hatred, fierce hatred or
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ferocity towards the opposite or it's not, it's not, you know,
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love. I mean, IA lot of people kind of
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almost hate going there and saying that.
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Well, God is ferocious like he says there in Naeem, but that
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is, I think that's accurate and that's right.
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It's the word of God. When you're oh, sorry, go ahead.
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No, I was just going to say when you're on the good side, when
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you're not on the evil side, but you're on the good side, You
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want your master to hate evil. That would be pretty sad.
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If he's kind of soft and evil, you'd be afraid he'd all of a
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sudden give in. You know, that's just that's
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just a terrible understanding of good and evil to think that God
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wouldn't hate evil and bring it to his knees.
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But I had a couple more thoughts.
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Remember in 927 it says, and as it is appointed and the man
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wants to die and after this, the judgement, he plucked that right
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in there. And then he says, Sir, Christ
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was once offered to bear the sins of many and unto them that
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look for him shall appear the second time without sin unto
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salvation. So that's kind of the contrast.
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And what he's saying here is if you go back from where you're no
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longer going to appear before God without sin, you're going to
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be there for the judgement. And that's a fearful thing.
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And it's a fearful thing. I think even as a believer, it's
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still going to be, we're still going to be shaking, I think, in
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our boots. But it's interesting that he
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just got done also saying based on the work that Christ has
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done, we now have boldness and we can go right on in, even in
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the heaven itself and through the veil.
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And then here he says, but if you tried under man, big
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trouble. So I just wanted to point that
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out like he's been building up to this and now he's contrasting
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it so. Yeah, that's, that's good.
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Eric, go ahead with whatever thoughts you had to.
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Well, I was just going to kindly do something similar to Andrew.
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I'm going to compare and contrast here.
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Think about like this God in a few places, he he makes a
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likeness to his wrath like it is being stored up.
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In other words, it's almost like he's adding to this cup or this
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vial or this bottle, like it, you know, his wrath is being
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stored up and then and he's able to contain that until it's time
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to pour it out. You know, like we, we would
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different people are different mannerisms and it's like, you
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know, some of us can. I mean, I can stand it for a day
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or two and then I'll bust loose. Somebody can only stand it for 5
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minutes and he bust loose, you know, like, but but he's God is
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able to just put it in a container if you will, and hold
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it until the time and then pour it out.
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Now compare that with what he does for us when we believe him.
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He says I'm actually, I have just forgot.
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I like I've poured that out on Christ already.
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He's taken care of and it's just no more like I think that's such
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a compare and contrast, you know, like in the one state he
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just keeps it held back. He's not forgotten about because
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we've said this before you, you might not you might like a cop.
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We all like cops that will pull us over for actually breaking
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the law and say, I don't worry about it.
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I'm going to let you go this time, right?
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We all like that. We like to know that we was
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actually going 75 and 55 and the cop just has mercy on us and and
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and lets us go. But listen, God is not going to
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do that. He's not going to take all these
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sins that we have committed if we don't come to Christ, the
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person is without Christ and death.
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God is he's going to be bringing those things every idle word he
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says he'll bring back up right. And and and let me let me say
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this not this is not this is related, but it's not the same
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thing to to make to make more sense of that.
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It is if you go back to Romans chapter 1 and and follow that
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through that the people that hold truth, that knew God, that
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knew what he was talking about. When he brings all these things
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back up, it's not going to be a surprise.
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They're going to know that they shouldn't have done them and did
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them anyway, right? So when he pours this out, it's
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not like everybody's going to be like, oh, what are you doing
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that for? You know, like they're going to
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know that they should have done different and did just like the
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Romans chapter 1 says. So like, I know I went kindly
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off the rack. Yeah, it's that's relevant
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information though. I think that's real good.
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The the thing that comes to my mind is that as you were
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speaking, is that so God is holy and he is just and his judgement
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is right. Like he judges rightly because
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he is holy and he is just and he has he can't like just slightly
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tolerate something like he has to be judge.
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Like judgement has to be given for unrighteousness and for sin.
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Like he can't ban on that. But the the thing that is so
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like, I don't know, it just makes me love God.
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More, more and more. Is thinking that you know so
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this God that when you reject the blood of Jesus, what he has
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provided for you and I to be set free from our sins.
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When you reject that, then his wrath is what we just read.
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It's going to come down funny. On the other hand, when you
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believe that by faith, then he we just read it back a few
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chapters or verses back further that he will throw your sins in
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the sea of forgetfulness. He won't remember them no more.
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And that, that is just such comforting.
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Yeah, it's it's like the it's like the Romans chapter 3 and
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verse 26 when he says to declare, I say at this time his
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righteousness that he might be just and the justifier of him
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which believeth in Jesus. So that is so key.
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Like to me that is that was such a eye opener when I understood
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that, that that's the point. Like you just explained, Melvin,
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God cannot just say don't worry about it.
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He can't. That is why Christ had to die.
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That's why he made him to be sin for us is because he was just in
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that. He poured it out on somebody,
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but they were the innocent somebody and therefore he's the
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justifier of them that believeth in Jesus.
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So that that is to me, that's astounding.
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I mean, that's a great truth. That's why it's all the good
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news. Maybe I could almost make a
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little illustration that would make a little bit more.
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You know, a picture in our mind of what we're trying to say is,
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let's say there's a big gorge or a ravine and it's bottomless pit
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like underneath like, and it's just in the middle.
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If you fall, it's over. And God made a bridge or you
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could say a rope or he gave everything he had.
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I mean, he and he gave get it for free, but it he actually put
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in the work. He built that bridge himself.
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And you start walking on that bridge and all of a sudden
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you're like, you know what it looks like a a better road right
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beside it. I'm going to jump off of this
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bridge and jump down on that shinier, easier.
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That bridge there looks like it's a lot more safe.
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There's some walls up there. There's some structure there.
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It looks a lot safer. How about I jump I'm I don't
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feel safe anymore. I mean, it's getting scary up
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here. It's windy.
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I look like an idiot. I'm going to jump down there and
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you leave this bridge and you jump down there.
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But that supposedly bridge down there was a lie.
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And God, what he's saying he's not going to reach down now and
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pick you up. The law of gravity will do its
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effect. It's not that God now all of a
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sudden, OK, I now I hate sin. No, he's just righteous all the
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time. Like gravity.
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It's like the law as sure as law of gravity, you're going to fall
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and you're going to go splat down at the bottom and that's
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going to, you're going to receive the judgement of falling
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10,000 feet or whatever. And you're going to be, you're
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going to. That's what your reward's going
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to be, yeah. That's right.
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It's a fearful thing to fall in the hands of a living God
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without an advocate, of course. All right.
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But it says in verse 32, call to remembrance the former days in
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which after you were illuminated, ye endured a great
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fight of afflictions, partly whilst G were made a gazing stop
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both by reproaches and afflictions, and partly whilst G
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became companions of them that were so used, so interesting
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that he goes back and calls them back to remember what that they
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had started out in suffering because of being separated and
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actually because they were being friends to the ones that
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previously had suffered. That's.
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Interesting, that is. But so he he calls them back
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saying saying, look, it is worthless battle that you
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started this. You know, I I go back again to
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the you know, the the decree that he made that we should hold
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on to our faith without wavering back in verse 23.
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Go ahead, Edward. Yeah, this is these are very
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encouraging verses for me because probably you all
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remember as well. The first time we believed when
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our eyes were open, the truth was so rich and new and we would
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have we would have done anything like there's nobody would have
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stopped those with an embarrassment or they would have
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made fun of us. We would have been like it's
26:18
just rolled off. Didn't we were ready to be fools
26:22
for Christ. I mean, when you first get lit
26:24
up. I mean, I had no, the ministers
26:28
had no grip on me, No Fear. I wasn't trembling.
26:31
I trembled more as an unbeliever knowing I did it wrong.
26:35
And the ministers come and I knew I deserved like if they're
26:38
not wrong, I trembled more than I did when I knew they're going
26:43
to kick me out and I'm going to be separated forever.
26:47
I, I was at total peace and the whole church and all my friends
26:52
turning their back on me, laughing at me, making funny
26:56
jokes about my faith. And, and they did it.
26:59
The Deacon did it right. While we're eating lunch, he was
27:02
making funny jokes about the saved and you know, and then,
27:07
you know, dirty make a dirty joke about it, the Deacon.
27:11
And, but right then you just felt sad for these people, but
27:20
it rolled off. It didn't cause us to then want
27:25
to somehow make peace and reconciliation with that
27:27
religion. So I think it's so cool how God
27:31
way back then already knew that. Well, God speaking through Paul,
27:36
how that these people need to hear that.
27:39
You remember when you first came to the truth and people were
27:41
laughing at you, you were like a gazing stock and you were being
27:46
persecuted. You remember that.
27:47
You remember how you just kept right on believing.
27:49
You weren't moved. You knew the Savior.
27:52
You knew the blood of Christ, you knew the sacrifice, you
27:55
believed it and you stood on it and you were strong and you
27:58
didn't shake. You remember that like just you
28:02
don't feel it as much right now, but remember it like know that
28:05
you're OK, you're fine. Stay with Christ.
28:08
And I, I, I don't know. I, I am excited about that
28:12
because that gives me courage that I think right now when
28:15
we're struggling, when we are like, man.
28:18
And then sure enough, another religion pops up and says, well,
28:21
the reason you're feeling this way is you're not doing this.
28:24
The reason that you're don't have peas or that you're sick or
28:27
that you're not feeling the way you should be is you're not
28:30
doing 123456789101112. Like all these little steps you
28:34
can do to make you, you know, God had put this in place in the
28:38
Old Testament for a reason. And you know, there's a reasons
28:42
for all these things and these laws and stuff, and you will
28:44
feel better if you do it and all these reasons to do these
28:48
things. And God is saying, remember, the
28:51
moment that you believed, you had no confidence in anything
28:55
except the blood of Christ. That's all you knew is that you
28:58
were done. You were lost, and you were
29:01
hanging at the thread of mercy and grace, except God would
29:04
reach you with mercy and grace and forgiveness and redemption.
29:09
You're lost. Go back to that and stand on it
29:12
and shine for Jesus. That's what I think, he said.
29:15
Yeah, that's right, Melvin. Yeah, I think that's a good
29:20
point. And that's the point I wanted to
29:22
make too, is that we remember he there's a reason he says there
29:27
but call to remembrance of former days in which after you
29:30
were eliminated and you dared endured a great fight of
29:33
afflictions. He said just think back and
29:35
remember so that you know you don't forget, right, because we
29:41
are forgetful people. And in Revelation chapter 2 and
29:47
Christ says to the church at Ephesus there he says he
29:52
compliments them for all the good things that they're doing,
29:55
and they were doing a lot of good things.
29:58
The believers were there in Ephesus.
29:59
But he says, I have somewhat one thing against thee, because thou
30:06
has left thy first love. And he says, if you will not
30:09
repent from this, I will remove your Candlestick there in in on
30:14
the throne. And so I think it's, it's
30:17
important to remember being remembered.
30:21
So what Christ did, because that's what he's saying here.
30:25
He's pointing out what Christ has done and how important it
30:29
is. And then he's now he's reminding
30:32
them to not forget that. And and also that we don't
30:36
forget that in the midst of afflictions.
30:38
Like you said, Andrew, I think it's so easy.
30:43
So it seems like a lot of churches in America, I don't
30:49
want to bash churches, but a lot of people in America when they
30:53
when they say, yeah, you know, here's the gospel of Jesus.
30:56
And if you give your life to Jesus, everything is just going
30:58
to be perfect and everything is going to be, you know, hunky
31:01
Dory. You will never have any bad day
31:03
in your whole life ever again. And that's not true.
31:08
The here in America, we we very rarely which we might see today
31:14
coming that that might happen, but we very rarely have to pay a
31:17
price for our faith, right. And so in most other countries,
31:25
when someone puts their faith in Jesus Christ and in Jesus Christ
31:29
alone, they're going to possibly die.
31:34
And so I don't know I think when when you the reason he's
31:38
pointing that out here about their afflictions I see and the
31:43
reproaches that they experienced because of Christ is so that
31:48
they remember that Jesus Christ is way it's worth it all.
31:53
It doesn't matter what you experience that in reproach or
31:58
in in being tortured for your faith or whatever it may be.
32:03
Christ is worth it all and and don't turn back to the law.
32:07
Don't don't turn away from Christ.
32:09
So anyway. Yep, that that's good.
32:13
Go ahead. Aaron, I'm going to, I'm going
32:19
to kind of jump down and I'm not, I don't want to like I
32:26
don't want to miss the verses in between, But he says in verse 36
32:31
for you have need of patience that after you've done the will
32:34
of God, you might receive the promise.
32:39
I, I think it's more, I think it's more like this.
32:42
Not not saying you all wasn't saying this.
32:44
I just think our experience is different.
32:46
In other words, all of us here suffered when we saw the gospel.
32:51
There was a point in which we give up the religion we had.
32:55
It cost us maybe family or church ties or whatever, but
33:02
we've all been blessed to start our own thing or do something
33:06
new. And it's kind of like that's in
33:08
the past. Well, I think their situation's
33:10
a little different. I think that they are continuing
33:15
to suffer for this, right? It's not getting any better.
33:19
It's actually. So I think when he says call to
33:22
remembrance, the former days in which after you were
33:24
illuminated, you endured a great fight of affliction, I think
33:27
he's saying go back and think about how how much you felt like
33:34
it was worth it to go through that first thing, right?
33:38
Because that's why I think he says in verse 36, you have need
33:42
to patience. You need to patiently endure
33:46
right on. Even though it's not seemingly
33:48
getting any better or maybe it's even getting worse or whatever.
33:52
You need to keep knowing that it is worth it like you did in the
33:56
beginning, right? And I think that that's for me
34:00
anyway, that is, I don't, I don't have to remember that all
34:05
the time because I'm, I have moved on.
34:08
I'm not suffering the same things I was back then.
34:10
And I think that that is what I that's what I see in this.
34:15
You know, he's reminding of them, reminding them of what all
34:18
they went through when they first believed it.
34:21
To keep on believing it is worth it.
34:23
You thought it was worth it back then.
34:25
It is worth it. Keep on believing that.
34:28
Yeah. I would agree.
34:30
And you're, I don't know if you see Cameron's comment there, but
34:33
that, you know, he says that Andrew, I went through that too
34:38
when you were talking about, you know, how it was to be ridiculed
34:41
by the the Deacon or whatever there that was, that was hard.
34:46
You know, looking back now, we can kind of chuckle about it and
34:48
like and realize that they just simply didn't know the truth.
34:52
So that they're the way they handle that is through ridicule.
34:55
Like, we would have done the same thing.
34:58
I know for a fact that I did that to other people that
35:01
probably had a lot better relationship with Jesus than I
35:04
did. I didn't know how to handle
35:06
that, so I ridiculed it. You know, that's kind of
35:08
standard response, right? So we can't really blame that.
35:11
But like he said, it looked tiny, but it was big when it was
35:16
happening. And it was, you know, when we
35:17
got converted in the first time, you know, someone spoke against
35:20
you. It was like, wow, you know, but
35:23
it was worth it. We were happily doing it and I I
35:26
agree with what you were saying there, that the what he wants
35:30
out of this conversation here is for us to remember how willingly
35:34
we did it, though. That's right.
35:36
It was, it was just part of what we do was going to come.
35:39
And and, you know, I think stuff like Charlie Kirk's
35:43
assassination, stuff like that, you know, kind of is a little
35:46
bit of that same thing. You know, there's always where
35:47
there is where there is seems like always where there is
35:52
contention or where there is a point like look at China, any
35:55
persecuted church, they just they thrive.
35:57
Actually, they do the opposite of what physically you would
36:00
expect them to do. And so it's a good a byproduct
36:04
of a little persecution is fervor for God.
36:08
And so that, I mean, he's just reminding us a little bit of the
36:11
same thing here, but. Can I say a wild thing that
36:13
probably might, may even make you guys upset at me?
36:17
Well, if we were going to be upset, we'd already be, so
36:20
that's fine. I'm just throwing out a theory
36:24
here. So God says in the last days
36:29
many will depart from the faith because of traditions, some old
36:35
carnal ordinances, the law. Charlie Kirk wasn't an apit
36:41
Judaizer like he was. I didn't know that until after
36:45
he was shot. What if that now gets all these
36:49
people keep the Sabbath and like they want to be like Charlie
36:52
Kurt, I'm going to do look at well, did you hear what that
36:56
martyr, that guy that died for Christ, He's look what he did.
37:01
I'm going to do that. I'm going to do what he did and
37:04
they're going to start following all his things.
37:07
Is that how one of the ways that many will depart from the faith.
37:12
Now there I said it. Maybe it was blasphemy.
37:16
Well, I just know that that in the text here, he's asking us to
37:21
stand for the truth, you know, and, and so whether Charlie was
37:25
or was not is, is not really in my realm to say, but, you know,
37:28
I, I knew he did say a lot of good things, but I know that
37:32
there was some other stuff like that that I thought about too.
37:35
So I just cringe how many people and I'm, I'm one of them.
37:39
I, I even said at our fellowship that I think we need to remember
37:43
his name for a long time and we might should, but I was really
37:49
disappointed to see how people are responding and how that my
37:54
news feed changed from him speaking the gospel to a lot of
37:59
the doctrines that he believed. And he's like, man, I can see
38:03
Satan full time at work with this one and he's going to bring
38:06
about this thing. So he'll.
38:10
Take a hold of whatever he can. That's right.
38:12
Believe. Believe.
38:13
Believe what he said when he said Jesus Christ is everything
38:17
and just throw out the rest. You know where our faith gets
38:21
tried at this time, even right now, every day is when God made
38:27
the promise that through the power of the Holy Ghost in US is
38:30
what's going to empower us to live a different life.
38:33
We're going to have something that is different than any other
38:36
person, but then we get tried and tended with sin and it
38:40
almost feels like there's, maybe it's just me, but I sometimes
38:44
feel like where's the victory? Where is the Holy Ghost?
38:48
Why am I so heavily tempted in this obvious blatant sin?
38:52
Why is that even a thing in my mind?
38:54
Why am I even dealing with it? Why is that even anywhere close
38:58
to me? If I have the Holy Spirit in me,
39:00
why is that even a thought? I believe the gospel, I believe
39:05
all the things that Jesus did, but that's still, I still have
39:08
to deal with this thing and resist it physically, mentally
39:14
in every way, shape and form resists this evil resists and
39:19
stand against it. I actually have to do it.
39:21
Jesus doesn't just come and just take it away.
39:24
I actually have to spend energy and strength and faith and
39:30
exercise my mind and brain and, and renew my mind and the gospel
39:35
and the truth and, and fight this thing or I just do it like,
39:40
and so that's a very trying of your faith like, well, where is
39:44
the power? Where is the victory?
39:46
Jesus promised me all this victory.
39:47
Why am I fighting? Why does it feel like the
39:49
victory's not there sometimes? And I think that's a challenge
39:53
on our side that we, you know, that's a faith challenge.
39:57
And so quickly, people will come along to try to say, well,
40:01
that's why you still need this, you know?
40:03
Yeah, I haven't, I haven't read. I know Charlie wrote a book
40:09
about the Sabbath or something like that.
40:10
I haven't read the book. But I did hear him say today,
40:13
like I heard him replay something that he said.
40:15
He said something about. He was talking about the like
40:19
keeping a day. And he said, I'm not saying this
40:23
to like, I don't know how he worded it, but he was basically
40:25
saying, I'm not saying this to bring salvation or anything like
40:29
that, but he said we was a far better country when we took a,
40:31
he said he referred to like the blue laws or something.
40:34
I guess when everybody, the whole country shut down for a
40:37
day, you know, like the country shut down for a day and all
40:41
that. So I I don't know all the
40:43
details of that, but I when you said that it kind of reminded me
40:46
of this verse in Philippians one where he says some indeed preach
40:52
Christ even of envy and strife and some also of goodwill.
40:56
The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely
40:59
supposing to add affliction to my bonds, but the other of love,
41:03
knowing that I'm set for the defense of the gospel.
41:05
What then, notwithstanding every way, whether in pretense or in
41:10
truth, Christ is preached and I are in do rejoice A and will
41:14
rejoice. I think that I, I'm like you, I
41:19
can, I could find fault. I think any of us could find
41:23
fault with basically anybody that's faces out there, right?
41:26
I mean, we could all do that. But I guess I would just say
41:29
this that that I do think it's worth focusing on that the
41:34
majority of our government stood up and like proclaimed the name
41:38
of Christ, which is a big deal. You know what I mean?
41:41
That's a big deal. And I'm like you, I hope that
41:44
the little details don't get in the way, but that's a big deal.
41:49
You know, Yep, I'm 100% that's where I'm at.
41:53
I just wanted to throw out like the the danger.
41:56
Let's not just swallow the whole thing and be like Charlie, you
42:01
know, because the fact I saw that too, where the vice
42:05
president is talking and Marco Rubio, I mean, they're they're
42:10
sharing the gospel. I mean, they're preaching these
42:13
senators, Governor's preaching the gospel, I mean.
42:18
And there. What?
42:19
I don't want to take anything away from that.
42:21
And there was there was more people tuned into that memorial
42:25
than than there was to the Super Bowl.
42:26
Ever like in history? Praise the Lord, praise the
42:30
Lord. I just hope these little
42:32
doctrines, you know, any of us believers can take a day off.
42:38
That's when you make that a a thing and you teach it that you
42:43
need to do this as a Christian. All of them would say it has no
42:46
salvation issue. It's not about the gospel.
42:49
They would all say that even the Amish now know to say that their
42:53
rules is not about the gospel. But we still know if you took
42:55
away the rules, they would excommunicate you like you're
42:58
it's it's a lie, you know. So I, I just like you were
43:05
saying, is that I just hope that the gospel out, it's that volume
43:13
is louder than any of these little things that Satan's going
43:18
to use in the last days to keep people from believing and
43:20
trusting in the gospel of Christ.
43:21
Yeah. Yeah.
43:23
You know, I, I would like to come to run and defend Charlie
43:26
Kirk right here and say, well, you know that book, I didn't
43:29
read it, but you know that he advocated for a day of rest and,
43:34
and, and physically that is a good idea.
43:36
I mean that that law was there because God made our bodies that
43:40
way. So it's, it's not a bad thing.
43:42
And I don't know if he equated that with a part of satisfying
43:46
God or a part of just keeping your body healthy.
43:49
I don't know. And it doesn't really matter
43:51
here for this discussion anyway. I, I do know I agree with you.
43:55
The gospel got preached and Cameron once again hit it on the
43:58
head. You can read that comment there.
44:00
When you're on beat, you'll notice that the milk really
44:02
isn't quite enough to sustain you.
44:04
You know, you'll see some of those things once you get, which
44:08
is good. And I hope that my life never
44:12
gets as critically eyed as Charlie Kirk's did.
44:16
Yeah. You know, because I posit
44:17
there'd be plenty, plenty of flaws there and people would
44:20
say, well, yeah, you really, you know, he he did kind of this
44:23
though, you know. So yeah, I think it's good to
44:26
discuss that. But I don't, I would like to be
44:28
critical of Charlie because he was, he was a workhorse for the
44:30
Kingdom of God in a lot of ways, yeah.
44:34
And when I read that verse, I wasn't saying he was preaching
44:37
it out of contention. I was actually saying that
44:41
that's what I'm focusing on. Is that the name of Christ being
44:45
in great ways because of this, and that's worthy to be praised
44:49
you. Know, like I find it interesting
44:51
that he actually praised that in that verse.
44:54
That surprises me a little bit, even even the wrong motive,
44:58
because I've always thought that, you know, Sweetwater can't
45:03
come from a salty well you. Know so.
45:06
Well, I can tell. I think I can tell you part of
45:09
it is, and this is what this is. This is what my hope is.
45:15
I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what's going to
45:17
happen. But my hope is that people will
45:21
hear the name of Christ. And you know, it's like, what's
45:27
the verse where he says that he's given him a name above
45:29
every name that at the name of Jesus, every niche about.
45:32
It's like when somebody says the name Jesus, you don't say which
45:37
one, right? There's not the one you don't
45:41
think of which Jesus we talking about here.
45:43
So I guess I would just say that I that's my hope is that when
45:47
people hear this name of Christ, of Jesus Christ, they're going
45:52
to look that out. I mean, because I have heard
45:54
Charlie say this many times, get you a Bible and read your Bible,
45:58
right? You know, so, so that's what
46:01
that's what my hope. Is.
46:02
Is that people? Will and that's not and I'm I
46:05
said that to say this. That's why Paul could say that
46:08
he's saying his name is getting out there and I'm going to
46:12
rejoice because his name is getting out there.
46:14
You know the name of Jesus. Yeah, I don't feel like we need
46:18
to keep belaboring this. What I the reason I have a
46:22
stance I do is because in the last days, that's how people
46:27
will depart from the faith. And he does say that if you
46:31
teach any part of the law, you're guilty of the whole
46:33
thing. So you don't tell them it has
46:35
nothing to do with salvation if that's God's conclusion.
46:39
And if God says that if you're circumcised, you're falling from
46:43
grace, he doesn't check your motives and say, well, are you
46:47
thinking this has to do with your salvation or what?
46:49
No, he just said, and he also says he uses the word lying,
46:52
hypocrisy. All those things are associated
46:54
with the idea of someone teaching about certain food.
47:01
And so I just think as Bible scholars, we should be at least
47:08
humble enough to say, look, let's not swallow.
47:12
Let's not swallow just because we know Charlie was a man of God
47:16
and he did many wonderful things.
47:19
Let's not swallow up all the like just folks lying and sinker
47:25
and know that still be aware of what God is warning us and
47:29
especially the book we're going through.
47:31
Yeah, yeah, we can honor David for what he did as a king, and
47:35
yet we could be critical of his sin with Bathsheba.
47:38
That's it. Thank you.
47:42
Same way. All right, Perfect.
47:44
Let's see 30. 4. 34 yes, for ye had compassion of me in my bonds
47:51
and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in
47:54
yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring
47:59
substance. So still bouncing off the same
48:02
idea. I don't know if there's anything
48:06
you want to comment on there. I'm going to actually read 35.
48:09
So he's making that, please so as not to castaway there for
48:12
your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward.
48:16
You go ahead on that, Andrew. Yeah, again, like he's known for
48:21
in the book of Hebrews, he keeps repeating himself over and over
48:24
and over and over to do everything possible to encourage
48:27
these believers to go, you know, to stay strong, don't bend,
48:31
don't don't cave in and don't let the pressure over shadow the
48:39
the goodness of God. And he's like, you know, you
48:44
guys had compassion when you saw me in bonds, like, you know, I I
48:49
was also in bonds and you guys had compassion on me and and,
48:53
you know, we were doing all this stuff together and we know that
48:56
in heaven we have a better place.
48:58
And he's like, don't castaway your confidence.
49:00
We have a reward coming that is the beyond imagination and
49:08
opposite of the reward that the the ones that try to under foot
49:11
this this gospel. That would.
49:16
Yeah, I just want to make one point.
49:19
The the verse that comes to my mind when it says they're cast
49:22
not away, they're for your confidence, which has great
49:26
recompense of reward in Second Timothy.
49:31
This is the verse that came to my mind.
49:33
It says henceforth there is laid up for me crown of
49:35
righteousness, which the Lord the righteous judge so give me
49:39
at that day, and not to me only, but on to all them also that
49:43
love his appearing. So there seems to be we know
49:51
that there is a reward in heaven that he for us that that store
50:00
up, you know, heavenly heavenly reward says in Matthew there
50:05
store for yourselves up things that heaven and remark does not
50:09
rust or corrupt, you know. And so that's what I think of
50:13
here. He says and he's referring to
50:16
the your confidence, your confidence in Christ cast that
50:20
not away which had great recompense of reward because he
50:25
said there in verse 34, but that you have in heaven a better and
50:31
enduring substance that in heaven and better during
50:34
substance is you know the Christ is the blood of Christ, right?
50:41
There I, I mean, I guess this doesn't I'm always his to say it
50:48
doesn't matter because I guess I, I think it, I don't think it
50:51
matters, but I'm, I'm always wanting to say it's Paul.
50:56
And this is actually one of the main verses that makes me think
50:59
it's Paul. I know, I know.
51:02
All honesty because. This sounds like you.
51:05
It does. It just sounds like him and it
51:07
sounds relevant and all that. But but but anyway, he says you
51:12
had compassion of me in my bonds, which like I said, sounds
51:15
so much like Paul and took joyfully the spoiling of your
51:17
goods. And I want you to I want you to
51:23
think about it like this. He basically said, the context
51:29
of this is, remember all you gave up in the beginning when
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you first believed, right? What we just said that in the
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first few verses and he reminds them of a literal instance in
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which they were persecuted and reproached and afflictions and
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made a gazing stock. He says they're in the earth
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verses. And then he points them to
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another particular circumstance in which if this is Paul or
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whoever this is, he said, you all give me what, some of your
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goods, you know, like you literally give me some of your
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stuff And, and I and I, I guess it's possible, but it makes me
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think because he says it like that, it's not like us.
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It's not like we've got a cabinet full more than we'll
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ever use and we just give him the extra.
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It's like they actually he spoiled them, right?
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He said joyfully the spoiling of your goods, like he actually
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used something that they may have needed.
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But I want to play on this is he says to joyfully the spoiling of
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your goods, knowing in yourselves that you have in
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heaven a better and enduring substance.
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I mean, and I and I'm not taken away.
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I know that the blood of Christ is the thing that is in heaven
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itself. That's that's, you know, God is
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accepting on our behalf. But I also think this is very
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real. This is one of these things that
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I can I can sink my teeth into. He's saying you actually, God
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has literal treasures in heaven, like things for you up there,
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right. I mean like.
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Actually a. Tree that you can eat from
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actually a place to stay prepared for you actual things
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to do actual streets of gold. Like he's saying you didn't look
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at this. It's kind of like he's going to
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say in the end of Chapter 11. You realized people say such
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things are pilgrims and strangers in this land right
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you're you're looking for a country that has better things
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than this right. So I, I really think that is,
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it's very literal in the sense that he says you in the
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beginning, you were so sure of it that you would give me, you
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would let me spoil things that you might think you might need
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because you realize that there's something better physically,
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like a, an actual thing waiting for you in heaven, right?
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That's what he says. Spoiling of your goods, knowing
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in yourselves that you have in heaven a better and enduring
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substance. And then he says in verse 35, as
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you all already said, cast not away.
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Therefore, like since that's true, since you gave up all that
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stuff in the beginning, since you even spoiled your goods for
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me, since you had compassion on me when I was in prison.
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Look back, you know, being as that's all true, don't cast it
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away now, right? And that's why I jumped ahead to
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verse 36 a while ago. You just need to endure a little
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longer right. You have need of patience just
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keep enduring and that's that's cast not away there for your
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confidence, but. Yeah, that's that's good.
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I got another thought if it's OK.
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Yep. So there's a lot of Amish that
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are searching and I would just like if anyone's listening.
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I hope you can see the book of Hebrews here and all those
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things that you're so scared of, like excommunication is such a
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big deal in an Amish mind, the way we've been conditioned to
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thinking that somehow excommunication just
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automatically gives you the hell sentence.
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And I just would like to encourage you that that that
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threat of being excommunicated looks pretty pathetic in light
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of the sufferings that Paul and all those people suffered.
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They were sawing asunder. They were, I mean, they gave up
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their lives, they gave up their marriages, they gave up their
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kids. They got, they saw their
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children being butchered right in front of them.
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They saw their little girls being raped right in front of
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them, burned at the state. And we're worried about getting
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excommunicated. That's pretty pathetic.
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So I want to encourage you, us soft softies in America, that
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the things that we think we're suffering is peanuts.
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That's right. We'll do another verse.
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You're gonna be kind of quick here, but for you have need of
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patience, and Aaron already commented on that a little bit,
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but for you have need of patience that after you have
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done the will of God, you might receive the promise.
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So in other words, it's not the guy that begins the race that
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wins, it's the guy that finishes the race that wins.
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So there's a bunch of different verses that could be spoken
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about here, but he's just reiterating that you started in
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good faith. You started that you endured
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that great fight of afflictions. He called it a couple verses
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back. Hang in there, hang in there.
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You're going to need that. And that is that is
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encouragement to all of us. I think it goes back to what we
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said earlier, You know, hold fast to that profession of Jesus
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Christ. Hang on to that thing because it
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is what is going to keep you surviving.
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It is what is going to bring you into heaven and it's going to
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allow you to stand before the living God in utter, utter
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boldness. I guess is the word word to use
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there. It is it nothing else that'll do
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that. And.
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I like the word patience in there a lot because it tells us
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that he knows that what we're dealing with is difficult.
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So I can know that when things are difficult, doesn't mean I'm
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wrong. It just means I need patience.
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Yeah, It doesn't mean that. Yeah, doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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It doesn't mean that I'm on the wrong road or on the wrong
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track. Or if I was, if I was in the
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will of God, my life would be better.
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I wouldn't be dealing with all these struggles and problems if
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I was in the will of God. Actually, we are being tried,
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except the trying of our faith is more precious than silver and
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gold. Like that's pretty precious.
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And if the trying is that precious, then he says, don't
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think it's strange if we are trying because, you know, why
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wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you try to get more
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things that are more precious than gold?
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So of course he's going to do it.
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So when things are tough and hard, I'm glad that the word
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patience in there to remind us that that that that encourages
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me because hey, Christian life takes patience.
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Sure does, because we live a long time.
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By the time you get saved from the time you die is a long time
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for some people. You just got to hang in there,
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Melvin. Yeah, I'm just going to say, you
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know, most of us want an easy life, including myself.
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You know, I want everything just be, be glorious and gravy.
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But you know, the simple fact is this is that if everything in
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your life is perfect, then you might not be walking in the will
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of God, because when you're walking in the will of God,
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there is going to come afflictions and what he was
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describing that they experienced there.
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And so that's and and that should like that shouldn't scare
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us like in other words, another thing is, is that when you are
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not, if you're not experiencing hardship or hard things in your
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life, then you're probably not going to be growing.
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So God knows what we need and, and now let's just look to him
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and, you know, trust in Jesus, man be be faithful.
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Yep. There.
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I guess I'm kind of going backwards, but I see this as a
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whole. Like I see this as a whole
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comment here and it kind of stuck out to me that back in
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verse 32 when he started it, he says, but call to remembrance
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the former days in which after ye were illuminated.
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And I know we've kind of already said this, but it was it was
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like when you saw it, me and my wife have said this.
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This was kind of our way of saying it.
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It was once I saw the gospel, I couldn't Unsee it.
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And illuminated is a good word. It was like once I once the
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light comes on and I see it. I could try to go back and think
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I like I used to, but I could not see it regardless of what I
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tried to hold on to or what I tried to, you know, put into it.
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So I think that that's, you know, I think that that's what
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he's calling them to go back and think about, think about how
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that was when you first saw it, the way you felt and how
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confident you was in it and all that and, and keep enduring, you
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know, have that patience that you need, you know that.
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And again, to kind of sum it up, that when you've done what God,
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you know, would ask you to do and keeping on believing, you
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would receive the promise, you know, like, I mean, that's,
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that's, that's that is the end goal is that you would be able
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to, well, let me say it like this.
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God, he's going to say it in the next chapter that he that cometh
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God must believe that he is and that he's a rewarder of them
1:01:14
that diligently seek him, right? God is not saying it's like if
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there's not, you know, what's the other place is that in the
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1st Corinthians 15, where is it that he says that we are all
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being most miserable, you know, if Christ didn't rise from the
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dead. So, you know, it's like God is
1:01:32
not saying let's just see if they'll do it.
1:01:37
Right. He's actually saying here's a
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promise for those that believe me, here's a promise of
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something in the future, a better city, a better all that.
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And if you will keep it up, God is a rewarder, right?
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He really is. And I and I'm not.
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I just, it's like we said about the fear thing earlier, all
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these things are healthy, right? I mean, it is a healthy thing to
1:02:04
be looking forward to the reward.
1:02:06
That's what he just ended that comment with is have the
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patience that you'll receive the promise, right?
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Yeah. So I mean, I just think that
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that is that is also a healthy thing to be looking forward, you
1:02:21
know, to go ahead. I, I spoke on at a wedding on
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Sunday and I spoke about the invitation that they got in the
1:02:30
mail to this wedding and how that there's also a standing
1:02:33
invitation for a greater wedding supper feast.
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You know that reminded me. I heard a guy talk about it,
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that God actually wants to lavish his vast resources on his
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bride. Like.
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He's in this for the love of it, not the hatred for it of it.
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You know, he wants to spend the rest of eternity using his
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resources to prove to us how great of a God he is.
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That is actually what he wants to do.
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And I just that that's why it's so important that we trust his
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son Jesus with our life because it depends on it.
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It really does. Now close with this, Andrew
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Wommack is a minister. I listen to you a lot in the
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past. I don't really anymore, but he
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said one time this always stuck in my head.
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He said the only reason that you're not bumping into the
1:03:31
devil is because you're headed in the same direction.
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Like talking about an easy Christian life.
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He said if you are doing the work of God, you're going to
1:03:42
bump into Satan because you're hot headed.
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Operate up the separate directions.
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So I was just going to say, how do we expect to fit in A Kingdom
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of darkness when we're part of a Kingdom of light?
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That's right there. There's a vast, vast difference
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there. Anyway, we went 3 minutes over
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our time. I promise not to do that again
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all. Right.
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As we conclude today's study, remember Hebrews 11/1.
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I'll try that. Remember Hebrews 11/1.
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We're going to talk about that verse next week, probably.
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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and it's the evidence
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of things that we can't see. May your faiths reveal biblical
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truths more clearly than your physical eyes can perceive the
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things before you. Join us next Monday night, same
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time, same place. We're going to start in verse
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37, and we're going to keep on going through this book.
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God bless you guys. Thanks for your time, Appreciate
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you like always.