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Casey Anthony’s parents: What they really think about Tot Mom · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: State of Florida versus Casey Marie Anthony as to the
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  Speaker 1: charge of first degree murder. We the jury finally defendant
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  Speaker 1: not guilty. Somewhere out there, the devil is dancing tonight.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Anthony's finally
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  Speaker 1: reveal what they think really happened to Kaylee. I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that she drowned in this pool. I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: that that's a bunch of crap. I believe that Casey
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  Speaker 1: gave her something. Kayley didn't wake up. I have to
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  Speaker 1: forgive her because if I don't forgive her, then I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to be able to live with myself. Am
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  Speaker 1: I ever going to speak to my daughter again? We're
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  Speaker 1: done right now. This is the most agitated and frustrated
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  Speaker 1: that I've been, even when I sat with Jose and
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  Speaker 1: I watched that episode of the Nancy Greece. Well, it
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  Speaker 1: never ends with Todd Mom kay see Anthony. She's back
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  Speaker 1: in the news after some allegedly never before seeing sound
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  Speaker 1: from top mom Casey Anthony behind bars, and also we
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  Speaker 1: hear more from George and Cindy Anthony. Her parents haven't
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  Speaker 1: they suffered enough? Well, here's the latest. I mean, see Grace,
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  Speaker 1: Alan Duke. Alan, let's take a listen to one of
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  Speaker 1: the new things that George and Cindy has said. Roll it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that she drowned in this pool. I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that that's a bunch of pool. To me,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's too easy of a story to bring up,
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  Speaker 1: because if that would have happened, I think my daughter
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  Speaker 1: would at least have the common decency, in the common
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  Speaker 1: sense decide to call nine one one and say say
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  Speaker 1: something my daughters in the pool I can't bid or
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  Speaker 1: she's whatever, that's a bunch of crap. So what George
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  Speaker 1: Anthony is saying here is he doesn't believe his daughter,
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  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony drowned the baby in the pool, or that
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  Speaker 1: Kelly died in the pool by accident, or he believes
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  Speaker 1: tot mom would have had the quote decency to call
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  Speaker 1: police Okay. First of all, she did not have the
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  Speaker 1: decency to call police because she killed the baby. But
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  Speaker 1: think about George's position to believe this could have been
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  Speaker 1: an accident. Maybe the only way he can process this
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  Speaker 1: that she had an accident with the baby and then
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  Speaker 1: covered it up because he wants to believe their own
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  Speaker 1: child could commit murder. But the reality is, the evidence
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  Speaker 1: does not jive with the theory of a death in
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  Speaker 1: the pool. Maybe they had been swimming in the pool,
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  Speaker 1: but there is chloroform and taught Mom's trunk, there are
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  Speaker 1: searches about how to make chloroform on the computer. The
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  Speaker 1: lies by Tott Mom for thirty plus days, not telling
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  Speaker 1: anyone her child was missing, and in fact overtly lying, partying,
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  Speaker 1: getting a tattoo that says the sweet life. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it just goes on and on, slung up with her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't worried about what happened to the child at all,
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  Speaker 1: And none of that jives with an accidental pool drowning.
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  Speaker 1: What a youth think about that claim by George Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Allen He doesn't believe she drowned in the pool, but
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  Speaker 1: he says he does now after all of this time
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  Speaker 1: have a theory about how his granddaughter died. Kaylee was
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  Speaker 1: with Casey. I believe that Casey gave for something. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so Alan, that theory is not beyond the realm of
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  Speaker 1: possibility that she would go out and party and drug
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  Speaker 1: the baby and put her in the trunk to make
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  Speaker 1: her go to sleep. Says she could appear to be
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  Speaker 1: a single woman to all of her. Let me just say, euphemistically, suitors,
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  Speaker 1: that's possible. But then enter the evidence, the evidence of
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  Speaker 1: a duct tape on the skull. You don't drug the
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  Speaker 1: child to make her sleep. Let's just say, with an
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  Speaker 1: overdose of beta drill plus, put duct tape over the
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  Speaker 1: mouth and or the nose. Alan Well, George Anthony in
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  Speaker 1: the in this new interview starts talking specifically about drugs
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  Speaker 1: that Casey Anthony's friends use, and one of those friends
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  Speaker 1: also is interviewed and he talks about how when there
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  Speaker 1: were references when Casey would refer to her nanny as Zanni,
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  Speaker 1: he reminded viewers that the nickname for Zanex is Zanni,
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  Speaker 1: Zanny the name. But then, of course there's also then
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  Speaker 1: made up nanny. The big lie about Zenaida Gonzalez, which
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  Speaker 1: is zanny. So, okay, let's hear that from the friend.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear it, Allen. A lot of people know zanni
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  Speaker 1: is the slang term for zanex. So as soon as
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  Speaker 1: I heard that Danny the nanny, that was what popped
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  Speaker 1: into my mind. I thought that she was using zan
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  Speaker 1: X to babysit her child. So that's one allusion towards
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  Speaker 1: zan X. But even so zan X chloroform. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: When you drug your child and put him in the
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  Speaker 1: trunk so your lover doesn't realize you're saddled with a
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  Speaker 1: child and put duct tape over the child's mouth and
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  Speaker 1: leave her in the trunk, that's murder. I mean even
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  Speaker 1: if even if she drugged the child in order to
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  Speaker 1: be a swinging single and the child died, that's still
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  Speaker 1: fell any murder. Child abused by drugging the child put
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  Speaker 1: him in the trunk. Forget about the duct tape, But
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  Speaker 1: drugging a child and put it in putting it in
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  Speaker 1: the trunk, that's child abuse. And a death occurred. That's
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  Speaker 1: a death that occurred during the commission of a felony.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Allan, the idea of the drugging,
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  Speaker 1: the reason that George is coming to that conclusion now.
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  Speaker 1: He's thinking back to how Cayley looked and how she
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  Speaker 1: in those last few weeks or months. She was sleeping
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  Speaker 1: long periods of time. He said, she would sleep for
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  Speaker 1: twelve hours. She was lacking energy, her eyes were getting dark,
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  Speaker 1: and that is one of the things that led him
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  Speaker 1: to believe that she was using xanax or other drugs
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  Speaker 1: as the nanny. All right, Alan, that's a really good point.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's listen. Let's hear George just discussed that Hayley
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  Speaker 1: was always a very healthy child, very healthy girl, but
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  Speaker 1: just now at times that she would sleep for ten
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  Speaker 1: hours at a time makes no sense to me. When
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  Speaker 1: I'd see her from one day to an exit, it's
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  Speaker 1: really different. We can see a difference with blackness, fly
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  Speaker 1: through eyes and stuff like that. At two and a
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  Speaker 1: half almost three year old child would not have that
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  Speaker 1: unless something's going on. Also, in my mind, Alan, they
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  Speaker 1: repeated use of drugs to knock your child out as
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  Speaker 1: basically a babysitter, as child abuse, I mean, just plain
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  Speaker 1: and simple. What was really startling about the interview was
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  Speaker 1: the differences between George and Cindy. But yet they are
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  Speaker 1: still together. First off, George says, basically, his daughter is
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  Speaker 1: no longer his daughter. She is history. Let's listen to that.
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  Speaker 1: Am I ever going to speak to my daughter again?
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  Speaker 1: We're done? Because when all this stuff happened, I lost
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  Speaker 1: my daughter and my granddaughter. I lost in folks. I
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  Speaker 1: would like to believe it really is the end, that
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  Speaker 1: they really are cutting things off forever with top Mom,
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  Speaker 1: because not that I want to see a fractured family,
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  Speaker 1: but because I mean, when you don't know a horse,
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  Speaker 1: look at her track record. She's just going to get
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  Speaker 1: back in touch with them, use them, mistreat them, and
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  Speaker 1: then do some horrible thing. And how do you get
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  Speaker 1: past your daughter lying that you molested her. They're good people,
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  Speaker 1: all right, They are good people, and they've been through
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  Speaker 1: h E double L and I don't want to see
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  Speaker 1: that happen to them anymore. So, Okay, what does Cindy say, Alan,
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  Speaker 1: It's completely the opposite. She says she still hopes to
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  Speaker 1: have a relationship with Casey, and in fact occasionally talks
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  Speaker 1: to her. Let's listen, we talked from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: I speak to her on the phone. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a slow process, but I feel that we're reconnecting. I
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  Speaker 1: have to forgive her because if I don't forgive her,
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  Speaker 1: then I'm not going to be able to live with myself. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know that shows Alan a mother's love really has
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  Speaker 1: no bounds. Because it's incredible to me that they could
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  Speaker 1: go through what they went through at trial and still
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  Speaker 1: still want to have a relationship with her. It's just
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  Speaker 1: such a dichotomy to see Cindy's love for top Mom
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  Speaker 1: Casey and top Mom's lack of love for Keiley. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just heartbreaking to me. One of the more startling
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  Speaker 1: revelations to me was with George and Cindy describing how
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  Speaker 1: they can stay together as a married couple, husband and wife,
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  Speaker 1: so close yet one hundred eighty degree separated on this issue,
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  Speaker 1: one defending the daughter and one basically condemning her. I
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  Speaker 1: refuse to let to break us up. I mean, sure,
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  Speaker 1: we've we've had our moments, but I don't think her
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  Speaker 1: and I could really be hurt much anymore because of
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  Speaker 1: what we've we've seen taken. God, what's been thrown at us.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's too much more. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we can find anybody else that would understand my day
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  Speaker 1: to day ups and downs and what we go through
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  Speaker 1: other than him, that is powerful. You know, there's something
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  Speaker 1: about being in a family. You you really are a
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  Speaker 1: team for better or for worse. And who else could
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  Speaker 1: they share their thoughts with and what they've been through
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  Speaker 1: other than each other? You know, after all they've been through.
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  Speaker 1: I guess Cindy still loves top Mom. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: still say that Sandy risk perjury taking a stand and climb,
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  Speaker 1: mean those searches for hers, She still maintains that those computer,
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  Speaker 1: those damning computer searches for hers, right, yes, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: would you like to hear it? Love to grow it.
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  Speaker 1: I was searching for stuff that had pertained to our
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  Speaker 1: bamboo because one of the dogs was getting ill after
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  Speaker 1: I noticed after eating the bamboo leaves that was in
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  Speaker 1: our yard. So I wanted to make sure there was
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  Speaker 1: no toxicity or anything I need to be concerned with,
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  Speaker 1: and I searched chlora phil But I remember chloroform coming
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  Speaker 1: up during the search. I still don't think Sandy did
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  Speaker 1: those searches. I think that they occurred at a time
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  Speaker 1: when she was allegedly at work number one. It was
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  Speaker 1: to my understanding on Top Mom's account that she was
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  Speaker 1: logged in at that time. Her story is that she
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  Speaker 1: was worried the dog would eat bamboo, and that instead
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  Speaker 1: of writing chlora phil which is, you know, a natural
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  Speaker 1: process of photosynthesis, water plus and creates chlorophyll, which makes
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  Speaker 1: things green, trying to figure out how to make what
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  Speaker 1: homemade chlorophil? I mean, that doesn't even make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: And then the scientists find chloroform traces in Top Mom's trunk. My,
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  Speaker 1: that's certainly a coincidence. But you know what, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to give it to Sindy Anthony. She's going down sticking
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  Speaker 1: with her story and defending Top Mom. I mean, she is,
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  Speaker 1: that's the case, and I admire George for sticking with Cindy.
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  Speaker 1: This couple is if they can live through this and
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  Speaker 1: still hold hands. They were interviewed separately and together, still
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  Speaker 1: be together after all of this and all of the differences.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that is a love story. Right There is
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  Speaker 1: such a contrast, you know, I just hate it. I
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  Speaker 1: thought I had suffered so much when my fiance was
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  Speaker 1: murdered before our wedding, but now that I have children,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine. They treated Kelly as their own daughter.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to adopt her. In fact, Cindy and Todd
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  Speaker 1: Mom argued vehemently and a lot often over how to
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  Speaker 1: raise Kelly. Cindy wanted to raise her Top Mom. I
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  Speaker 1: think really would rather see her dead than have her
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  Speaker 1: mother raiser. Just the wake of pain taught Mom has
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  Speaker 1: loft behind her. I pray to God that Cindy and
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  Speaker 1: George can go on and have a happy life and
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  Speaker 1: be reunited with Kelly in heaven. I just hate what
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  Speaker 1: they've been through here on earth. I still think Cindy
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  Speaker 1: Anthony is covering for top Mom, and she was ready
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  Speaker 1: to go to jail for perjury, and that proves her
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  Speaker 1: love for Casey Anthony Top Mom. Okay, guys, this is
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  Speaker 1: one of those cases bran my mind. The jury had
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  Speaker 1: it completely wrong. It was a miscarriage of justice. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not the ultimate judge and we know
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  Speaker 1: who is. Alan. Thank you so much for going through
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  Speaker 1: all this with me and and rehashing something that I'm
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  Speaker 1: still intrigued by and fascinated by. I guess it's more
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  Speaker 1: unsettling than anything else when I think of little Kelly
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